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Andrew C (✔)
So Darren Wilson has a clean record? - http://www.dailykos.com/story...
"The Ferguson police have indicated that there were no disciplinary reports in Darren Wilson's file. What Chief Jackson didn't tell anyone at any of the press conferences was that, until he took over in 2010, use of force complaints were not kept in an officer's personnel file." - Andrew C (✔) from Bookmarklet
"But while the police department is trying very hard to portray Darren Wilson as a good cop, we should keep in mind the history of a department that had officers commit perjury to claim that another innocent victim bled on their uniforms. Police Officer John Beaird, Police Officer Christopher Pillarick, and Police Officer Michael White were all named in the Daily Beast article as signing the complaint and then denying the facts in their depositions." - Andrew C (✔)
"And don't forget that the policewoman, Kim Tihen, who straddled Mr. Davis and cuffed him before her fellow officers beat him badly enough to cause a concussion, is now a member of the City Council of Ferguson, as reported here by a member of Daily Kos." - Andrew C (✔)
Sean McBride
County investigation: Michael Brown was shot from the front, had marijuana in his system - The Washington Post - http://www.washingtonpost.com/news...
Nearly 1,400 comments so far; these are the top two comments in terms of number of likes: - Sean McBride
"This THUG stole cigars to make blunts, then he walked down the middle of a street, then he resisted arrest, and then he assaulted a police officer. If he had not resisted and assaulted the police officer, he would be alive today." - Sean McBride
"Seeing this guy man-handle a person half his size to steal cigars says it all to me.If we were talking Trayvon Martin,I would be on the liberals side.But this guy was'nt going to take crap from anybody.I think he tried to treat the cop the same way he did the store owner and believe when the cop started to get out of his car,this 6' 4",290 pound "boy" shut the door back on him which led to the physical altercation.And notice the first shots hit him in the arm." - Sean McBride
I don't *agree* with the comments, but I am paying attention to how public opinion is trending on this controversy on the Internet -- especially in the comment sections of the most influential publications. - Sean McBride
Third most liked comment: "I've been a police officer and a military officer. Officers are trained not to shoot unless they fear immediate, serious/life-threatening bodily harm. Once that point is reached, no department that I know of trains its rank-and-file officers to shoot to avoid deadly wound. They are trained to shoot center mass and keep on shooting until the person is down." - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
The last time Barack Obama got involved in a high profile racial case involving a cop, he ended up inviting the cop (James Crowley) to the White House to share a beer.
[Henry Louis Gates arrest controversy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...] - Sean McBride
Lesson: look before you leap. Get your ducks in a row. - Sean McBride
It's safe to say that Obama hasn't forgotten that episode. - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Jay Nixon: "Given these deliberate, coordinated and intensifying violent attacks on lives and property in Ferguson, I am directing the highly capable men and women of the Missouri National Guard ... in restoring peace and order to this community."
Sean McBride
Why Michael Brown’s robbery would be admissible at a federal criminal trial - The Washington Post (Paul Cassell) - http://www.washingtonpost.com/news...
"As Jonathan recently noted, Ken White at Popehat has a post covering some of the ways in which Michael Brown’s robbery does and does not matter legally. While White’s analysis is interesting, I think he is far too skeptical about whether the evidence would ultimately be admitted in federal civil rights prosecution. In my view, the evidence almost surely would come in, along with any additional evidence about Michael Brown’s bad character (should such evidence exist)." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
Sean McBride
Fwd: when you find yourself defending a position instead of learning new POVs, you're in trouble. #protip (via http://friendfeed.com/mamund...)
Sean McBride
Michael Brown shooting recording casts doubt on claims he surrendered to Darren Wilson | Mail Online - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news...
1. Unnoticed audio recorded in video filmed at scene of Saturday's tragic shooting contradicts claims made by friends of the Missouri teen 2. The scratchy recording of the conversation between two men seems to suggest that Brown was inside Officer Wilson's car 3. Despite being difficult to make out, the conversation suggests that Brown ran towards Wilson before he was shot - Sean McBride
"The first man explains to the second man that Brown was there because he had previously been inside the police car and run, which contradicts what the teens friend, Dorian Johnson, has told police and in interviews. Johnson has said that Brown was not ever inside Officer Wilson's police car before the shooting." - Sean McBride
"The alleged witness tells the man that Brown was in the police car with Wilson and then got out and ran away. 'Then the next thing I know he doubled back towards him cus (sic) the police had his gun drawn already on him,' according to blog, Conservative Tree House. The witness then contradicts the now crucial narrative of the how the tragic events unfolded last Saturday. Instead of... more... - Sean McBride
Top comment, with almost 3,000 likes: "I just knew there was more to this story, than the officer just shot this guy for no reason. Jesse and Al are going to end up with egg on their faces, as usual. Cops have a right to self defense too." - Sean McBride
If Obama and Holder are smart they will make no efforts to spin this investigation and story and let the chips fall where they may. The whole world is sifting through all the evidence and discussing it on the Internet -- the story is not spinnable. - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
New York Times commenters on Ferguson/Michael Brown
There are now over 1,000 comments on this article --http://www.nytimes.com/2014... -- some of them quite smart and analytical. - Sean McBride
Common Sense: - Sean McBride
"All the bullet injuries coming from the front matches the eye witness description of the sequence of events in the audio portion of that video on YouTube at around the 6:20 mark." - Sean McBride
"The eye witness described that Michael Brown took off running, then turned around, the police officer in pursuit with his weapon drawn." - Sean McBride
"Apparently Michael Brown turned around, and then went towards the police officer. I don't believe they described if he was running or walking, but there is no description of Michael Brown having his hands up, or surrendering." - Sean McBride
"There is also no description of him being down on his knees. The description that was given was that he was going towards the police officer, and the police officer began firing. The term that the witness used was "dumpin' on him" which I'm assuming means that the police officer was unloading and firing rapidly. The witness goes on to say that he thought the cop was missing the guy because the guy just kept coming forward." - Sean McBride
"Whether you want to call this charging the police officer, or just suicide by cop, the guy who got shot was not surrendering, he was moving forwards towards a police officer who had a weapon drawn." - Sean McBride
"The pattern of injuries looks to like he was running forward (charging), arm pumping, head leaning forward to pick up speed from a starting standing position. That explains the downard angle on the shot through the cheek / jaw / collarbone. After that, he probably started to fall forward, and got the other shot on top." - Sean McBride
Why are some people jumping to conclusions before all the facts are in? - Sean McBride
If this situation goes to trial, those eyewitnesses who claimed that Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown in the back are going to be demolished on the stand. - Sean McBride
Meanwhile, many "liberals" and "progressives" are trying to explain away looting, mob violence, Molotov cocktails, riots, strong-arm robberies, thuggery and vandalism as matters of no consequence. - Sean McBride
What this case now boils down to: was Michael Brown surrendering when he was shot or was he charging Darren Wilson? We don't know for certain yet. If he was charging Wilson with the intention of taking Wilson's gun and using it against him, as one eyewitness spontaneously claimed in that crucial video, then most people will conclude that Wilson was engaging in legitimate self-defense --... more... - Sean McBride
To those who are angered by the reasonable questions being asked by thousands of level-headed and fair-minded commenters across the Internet -- think carefully. Ultimately the facts are going to resolve the open questions about what really happened here and you'd better have your facts in order. - Sean McBride
Most people -- even the NAACP -- are losing patience with the looting, riots and mob violence in Ferguson: "NAACP supports Nixon's use of National Guard" http://www.chron.com/news... What kind of people destroy their own businesses and neighborhoods to make a political point? In what other nation in the world does one see such self-destructive behavior? - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Autopsy Shows Michael Brown Was Struck at Least 6 Times - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/2014...
"Mr. Johnson said that he hid behind a parked car and that Mr. Brown was struck by a bullet in his back as he ran away, an account that Dr. Baden’s autopsy appears to contradict." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
Darian Johnson would appear not to be a credible witness if the New York Times report is true. One wonders if anything that Johnson said corresponds to the facts. There should be enough forensic evidence available in this situation, especially in Wilson's vehicle, to decide one way or the other. Was a bullet in fact fired in the car? - Sean McBride
I have a great deal of trouble understanding why so many people are expressing such strong opinions about this incident without knowing the facts of the case -- it's really amazing. Some of them are going to end up looking quite foolish. - Sean McBride
A top comment at the New York Times: "It's very interesting to watch the evolution of this story. First, we're told to believe that Michael Brown was a college-bound 'gentle-giant' but over the past couple of days we see the truth that he was a violent thug and possibly a member of the Bloods gang. Now, from the autopsy we can see that he was NOT shot in the back (as we were told... more... - Sean McBride
Another top comment: ""When the officer opened his door, it hit Mr. Brown. With his left hand, Officer Wilson reached out and grabbed Mr. Brown by the neck, Mr. Johnson said." I cant see how a man sitting in a car could reach out and grab a 6'4" man's neck. Something doesn't make sense here." That thought occurred to me immediately -- it doesn't appear to make sense. - Sean McBride
Another top comment: "Since all shots were came from the front of the body proves that he was not running away, the fact that the fatal shot was in the head which was moving forward indicates that Brown was running towards the officer. All this have vindicated the police officers story along with a video with an eye witness telling her story which she said Brown ran towards the cop. This was a criminal who resisted arrest and was killed for it." - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Ferguson Police Detail the Moments Before Michael Brown Was Shot - ABC News - http://abcnews.go.com/US...
Ferguson Police Detail the Moments Before Michael Brown Was Shot - ABC News
Real or not real? - Sean McBride
Allegation: 6'4" 290lbs. - Sean McBride
I never develop opinions about stories of this kind until all the facts become available. The amount of pure bullshit that can accumulate before the facts come in can be mind-blowing. - Sean McBride
Thugs who bully and beat up on much smaller law-abiding people in the commission of crimes should be removed from the streets. Most people get that. The identity of the thug in the photos above remains to be determined for a certainty. - Sean McBride
Sweet merciful crap, Sean. - Andrew C (✔)
Andrew -- so you have this case all figured out? Please share the details. - Sean McBride
from your link: "The chief made clear, however, that Wilson's confrontation with Brown was not prompted by the report of the store's robbery. Jackson said his officer's contact with Brown began because Brown "was walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic." " - Andrew C (✔)
What is your reaction to the images above? What kind of person engages in that kind of behavior? What would you predict about his behavior in general? - Sean McBride
I SURE AS HELL WOULDN'T SUGGEST THAT A COP ACT AS JUDGE, JURY, AND EXECUTIONER, I'll tell you what. - Andrew C (✔)
Neither would I. What we all need to know now is if the nasty thug above tried to wrestle Darren Wilson's gun from him. I for one am curious to know what really happened. I guess you already know what happened -- on what basis may one ask? - Sean McBride
Eyewitness reports of the shooting. (and you'd better not ask for a link, Mr "Google it".) - Andrew C (✔)
What did you think of the story about the Ferguson police charging an innocent man with destruction of police property for how he bled on them after they beat him while he was in custody? (edit: and then contradicted their own written reports when on the stand) - Andrew C (✔)
I've read the eyewitness reports of the shooting to date -- this situation hasn't begun to be sorted out. Let's hear what Darren Wilson has to say. - Sean McBride
Do the images above induce revulsion in you or not? They would in most people. The character in those images is a violent criminal of a type that most of us find despicable. - Sean McBride
Off to dinner -- will pick this up later. - Sean McBride
A mugger still deserves his day in court, not an extrajudicial execution. Again, not unlike the Trayvon Martin case, the dead kid is being tried for his own murder, and that's what I consider despicable. - Andrew C (✔)
Every eyewitness account (save the shooter's, I guess) says the last few shots were from 20 feet away, delivered to Brown's back (http://www.cnn.com/2014...). Again, what you are insinuating is that committing a violent robbery justifies being shot like that, which is actually not what law and proper police procedure say. - Andrew C (✔)
"James Lasley, a professor of criminology at Cal State Fullerton and former advisor to the Los Angeles Police Department. “Maybe they’re trying to separate the two events, because obviously a strong-arm robbery is not going to justify the use of deadly force.”" - http://www.latimes.com/nation... - Andrew C (✔)
See also https://twitter.com/StephBM... - by the ABC video timeline, the robber was still in the store at 11:53 am (video timestamp). The initial confrontation between Brown and the officer occurred quite a ways away, just about seven minutes. - Andrew C (✔)
But again, again, the main point is that you appear to be straight up buying into the idea that someone who isn't squeaky clean deserved to die. That's horrendous. - Andrew C (✔)
I didn't say he deserved to die -- your misrepresentation of what I said is horrendous. What I am saying is that *if* the character in the above video is in fact Michael Brown (we need more information on this issue to know for sure), then he strikes me as the kind of person who would be likely to get involved in violent altercations with others that could lead to bad outcomes. Most... more... - Sean McBride
Andrew -- how would you feel about being roughed up and threatened by the character above while he and his partner were robbing you? Would you just let the incident pass as no big deal? - Sean McBride
This is the kind of information I am waiting to surface: [Details emerge regarding Darren Wilson, officer who shot, killed Michael Brown http://fox4kc.com/2014...] There is much more to come. "Jackson also said Wilson suffered facial injuries during a struggle with Brown." -- true or not? I don't know. - Sean McBride
Lawyer: Friend confirms he, Brown had robbed convenience store http://www.news10.net/story... - Sean McBride
"The friend who was with Michael Brown when he was shot and killed by a police officer near St. Louis over the weekend is reportedly confirming that he and Brown had taken part in the theft of cigars from a convenience store that day." - Sean McBride
Andrew: I was betting that Dorian Johnson would confirm the store robbery story and the truthfulness of the video -- seemed obvious to me. - Sean McBride
"Brown's family is accusing police of trying to draw attention away from the shooting." -- if Michael Brown and Dorian Johnson were in fact violent criminals who were in the habit of bullying and intimidating others, that might bear some relevance to what precisely transpired betweenthem and Darren Wilson. So let all the facts come out and then decide. - Sean McBride
"violent altercations with others that could lead to bad outcomes. " - but even this is a misdirection. Multiple eyewitness reports have it that HE WAS KILLED BY MULTIPLE SHOTS AFTER HE TURNED BACK TO FACE THE COP WITH HIS HANDS UP. - Andrew C (✔)
Andrew -- billmon is one of the smartest and most progressive minds on the Internet, and someone with a gift for cutting through bullshit -- he recently tweeted: "billmon: .@jamesjhare It did to me, but it appears Brown's friend Dorian Johnson has confirmed it was them in the video. https://twitter.com/billmon..." Stupid makes him irritable. He just wants to know the facts. - Sean McBride
Eyewitnesses also said the cop prevented a bystander who happened to be a nurse from attempting to tend to the fallen Brown. - Andrew C (✔)
And what happened before the shots were fired? Or is that a trivial detail of no importance in your mind? I am not defending the shooting -- but inquisitive people are wondering about what chain of events led to this appalling outcome. - Sean McBride
And if you're following Billmon, then you'd see he also cited Shaun King in that same thread. So let's see some other things King tweeted today: - Andrew C (✔)
[King:] "The Ferguson police, who were so bad at security that they were removed, have been VERY unethical today. Here's how... Instead of having a full/honest reporting by releasing audio from the officer about what he saw or the autopsy report, they released 1 side. The Chief of Police in Ferguson has proven himself to be divisive and outrageously biased/unfair/heavy handed at every turn." - Andrew C (✔)
Mediaite: On CNN, Attorney Confirms That Is His Client and Michael Brown in Surveillance Video http://bit.ly/VrU58J (VIDEO) https://twitter.com/Mediait... - Sean McBride
[King:] "The REAL QUESTION is not if Mike Brown stole cigars but if he had his HANDS UP when he was shot 4 times after already shot twice." - Andrew C (✔)
[King:] "Listen to this & read between the lines. The St. Louis County prosecutor said he didn't want to leak info on officer b/c it would taint jury Now, considering that they just leaked photos & video on Mike Brown & left out ALL details on Darren Wilson & autopsy, what's the agenda? The truth is NOT that St. Louis County wants to have an untainted jury. The truth is that they want them untainted for the officer." - Andrew C (✔)
[King:] "I've had 25+ diverse attorneys confirm that it is ILLEGAL, in all 50 states, to shoot to kill an unarmed, surrendered, injured citizen." - Andrew C (✔)
[King:] "WOW!!! The Police Chief JUST CONFIRMED that the officer DID NOT know that Michael Brown was involved in the store incident. AT ALL. Police Chief JUST CONFIRMED that the shooting officer, Darren Wilson DID NOT write his own incident report. INSANITY. Now, think of how OUTRAGEOUSLY DEVIOUS it was to release this store video THEN, 4 hours later, say the officer HAD NO IDEA it happened." - Andrew C (✔)
[King:] "5 attorneys just wrote me privately & said it was ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that the Police Chief ONLY released that video to taint public sentiment" [and look at you, Sean, buying right into it.] - Andrew C (✔)
Sean, you wrote "And what happened before the shots were fired?" Every eyewitness disputes that Brown initiated the confrontation. Every account says Brown was fleeing the initial two shots. And every account says the killing shots were to an unarmed, non-threatening Brown with his hands up. I literally cannot believe you're ignoring the most important details to get fixated on the irrelevant stuff. - Andrew C (✔)
Andrew: you have completely missed the point. I am not defending the Ferguson police or the shooting. What I am asking is if the aggressive criminal thug in that video may have been in a violent physical confrontation with Darren Wilson before the shooting. That is the only reason the video interests me -- it tells us a great deal about the character and temperament of Michael Brown.... more... - Sean McBride
Name all the eyewitnesses to the shooting -- who are they? -- with links to their reports. - Sean McBride
Again, you, Mr "Google it", are never gonna get links by asking. Except maybe lmgtfy.com. - Andrew C (✔)
Let's not forget that you also bought into the birther's PDF analysis nonsense (LAYERS, y'all) and the bin Laden death hoax scam because you literally did not get how different camera lens focal lengths change composition. - Andrew C (✔)
Intellihub News: 'Michael Brown' Store Robbery! RAW Video Footage!: http://youtu.be/R5ga8xM8W4M via @YouTube https://twitter.com/intelli... - Sean McBride
I never bought into any scam, Andrew -- but I do try to keep an open mind about controversies in which people emotionally jump to conclusions on the basis of few facts. Look at how quickly many people were insistent on dismissing the authenticity of this video because it didn't fit their predetermined narrative. Oops -- the authenticity of the video has been confirmed. - Sean McBride
"At the core of the Brown investigation are two competing stories: Darren Wilson, the police officer, says Brown assaulted him in his car and tried to grab his gun." - Sean McBride
"Dorian Johnson, the eyewitness and Brown's friend, says that Wilson grabbed Brown, Brown fled, Wilson shot, and then — crucially — Brown stopped and put his hands in the air, but Wilson kept shooting." - Sean McBride
How credible a witness is Dorian Johnson? Do other eyewitnesses back up his story? - Sean McBride
"This is what Ferguson police say occurred in the minutes leading up to Michael Brown’s death" http://www.washingtonpost.com/news... Check out the photos. - Sean McBride
Top (most liked) comment at the Washington Post on this article: - Sean McBride
"While this doesn't excuse the killing, it certainly fleshes out more of who Michael Brown was, robbing and assaulting a cashier. Not quite the angel that I pictured when reading the earliest accounts of what a good boy he was. If this constitutes 'character assassination,' then what readers were initially told is pretty much the opposite, like 'character sanctification.'" - Sean McBride
"It's another reminder to me to let dust settle a few days before drawing any conclusions about events and people. Or maybe not drawing any at all, except that wow, our society still has a lot of ingrained problems to address." - Sean McBride
Comment: "Give the gentle giant a break. Who among us has not beaten a small Pakistani man for a box of cheap cigars?" - Sean McBride
Andrew -- read the full set of Washington Post comments, most of which are asking the right questions -- by people who don't yet presume to have all the answers. - Sean McBride
"Darren Wilson, the police officer, says Brown assaulted him in his car and tried to grab his gun." - unfortunately for Mr Wilson, that's also the standard cop lie that excuses shooting someone. And even if Brown had gone for his gun, which I personally doubt, what possible explanation is there for preventing a nurse from attempting to tend to Brown? - Andrew C (✔) from Android
You really have gone way over the edge when you find yourself suggesting that newspaper online commenters have the right idea, BTW. - Andrew C (✔) from Android
And again, the police department that told several different versions of this story TODAY, the one that charged an innocent man they beat with "bleeding on us", then straight up lied on the stand under oath about it ... To me, that's the side you should be skeptical of. - Andrew C (✔) from Android
Most of the Washington Post commenters on this article are showing more careful thought processes than other people I could name. As for me, I am skeptical of all the sides in this story -- definitely including the Ferguson police. But I want to hear Darren Wilson's story and the stories of other key players before coming to the conclusion that I know what really happened. - Sean McBride
The scenario that is being promoted in some quarters: Darren Wilson is a vile racist who shot Michael Brown to death for no reason other than Wilson is a hater and a coldblooded murderer. True? Maybe. But I doubt it. Does Wilson have a history of shooting blacks for jaywalking? Of any racist behavior at all? - Sean McBride
Also also, remember those reporters arrested in the McDonald's? They got assaulted unnecessarily, and the cops lied about them "resisting arrest" to excuse slamming them into Coke machines and doors. So that's another reason I think the Ferguson PD is lying about "going for his gun". - Andrew C (✔) from Android
Meanwhile there are matters of much greater importance that are going on all around the world -- including in the Ukraine, Gaza and Iraq -- and in all major American urban centers. - Sean McBride
"okay, it was messed up that this PD beat up an innocent man they wrongly arrested, then perjured themselves about it... and it was messed up that they lied about 'resisting arrest' when they arrested those reporters for no reason... but I bet they're on the up and up this time!" - Andrew C (✔) from Android
"Meanwhile there are matters of much greater importance" - then why are you wasting your limited time attacking the dead kid? - Andrew C (✔) from Android
"Attacking the dead kid"? This story is all over the global media and Internet tonight -- it caught my eye. That "kid" in the video is the one who was doing the attacking -- against a much smaller man in the commission of a crime. I rarely pay attention to stories like this -- but that video is really something -- so I posted it. And your first reaction was to deny the authenticity of the video. :) - Sean McBride
"I rarely pay attention to stories like this" - indeed, you seem to be ignoring every red flag about the PD that lied on multiple occasions about similar abuses of unwarranted police violence, and even in this thread. Maybe you should start paying attention. - Andrew C (✔) from Android
Idiots: [Talking Points Memo: Twitter conspiracy theory alleges #Ferguson robbery footage is months old http://bit.ly/1yGdoIa pic.twitter.com/iRn65rzZTR https://twitter.com/TPM...] - Sean McBride
I am fully aware of police violence around the country and of the dangerous trend towards militarizing the police. I commented on this story because because this video caught my eye -- and it has caught the eye of the world, it turns out. People are discussing it. - Sean McBride
I'm specifically speaking about how this Ferguson police department has a history - from years ago up to this past week - of employing unwarranted violence and lying about what their victims did to deserve it. I'm saying that Wilson's conduct post-shooting is that of murderer who wanted to ensure his victim stayed dead. And most of all, I'm saying that every eyewitness account says Brown sure as hell wasn't going for Wilson's gun over the course of the last four or five shots. - Andrew C (✔) from Android
"What is strong-arm robbery?" http://www.ksdk.com/story... "St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch gave the following definition for strong-arm robbery: "The use of physical force in a robbery. If someone is stealing, and another person makes an attempt to stop them, and then physical force is used to complete... more... - Sean McBride
The Ferguson police may be corrupt but I am not convinced yet that Darren Wilson murdered Michael Brown in cold blood with no motive other than the fact that Wilson is a violent racist. You have a particular narrative in mind and you seem to be inclined to believe that this is what happened. I guess we shall see what's what as more facts come out. - Sean McBride
"Michael Brown Killing: Police in Ferguson Fire Tear Gas Amid Looting" http://www.nbcnews.com/storyli... - Sean McBride
"Protests had started off peacefully in Ferguson on Friday night. Rev. Jesse Jackson linked arms with protesters, leading them in prayer and urging them to "turn pain into power" while fighting back non-violently, NBC Affiliate KSDK reported. Shortly after midnight, crowds got rowdier and looting began to break out, according to KSDK." - Sean McBride
"Missouri State Highway Patrol Captain Ron Johnson confirmed that there was looting overnight at a convenience store where police said Brown was suspected of stealing cigars." - Sean McBride
Expressing support for Michael Brown by looting the store he robbed through bullying and physical intimidation? -- priceless. - Sean McBride
Washington Post comment: "It establishes the fact that this wasn't some "gentle kid", just walking down the street minding his own business, as was originally claimed. He just committed a crime and was acting in a hostile and aggressive manner, which is more in line with the report that he physically assaulted the cop." - Sean McBride
One notices that those who dismissed the authenticity of this video, or who declared that it was irrelevant to understanding this case, are taking a terrible beating in social media this morning. They became too emotionally committed to a particular narrative to deal rationally with new information. A first-rate novelist might be able to capture the full complexity of this story -- once we know what that story is. - Sean McBride
Washington Post comment: "Sappho-- get a grip dude. I don't know what happened on the street, but I do know Brown was nothing but a 2 bit thug 10 minutes before he died. You know how many people have no sympathy for common criminals? You know who they have sympathy for? The hard-working shopkeeper Brown was robbing, shoving and menacing." That was my first reaction to the video --... more... - Sean McBride
"Anger boils over again in Ferguson" http://www.cbsnews.com/news... "Anger spurred by the death of a black teenager at the hands of white police officer boiled over again when protesters stormed into a Missouri convenience store - the same store that Michael Brown was accused of robbing." The operative term here is "irony." - Sean McBride
Maybe we can get Andrew to go a head and block me today because I have been looking at the facts we know so far now too. The witness has already admitted through his attorney that the video is in fact Michael Brown. The cop apparently did not know he was asking a robbery subject to get out of the street as he had not been dispatched to that scene, but was leaving a different call. Apparently Michael Brown knew he was a robbery suspect. That's all we know so far. - Eric Logan
no competent attorney would comment on his clients admissions. http://friendfeed.com/search... - p01yN0Nym0u5
Eric -- your mind works like mine -- collect all the facts and try to figure out what is going on before jumping to conclusions. It is amazing that so many people yesterday tried to dismiss this video as a hoax. Most people today are willing to entertain the *possibility* that Michael Brown tried to wrestle Darren Wilson's gun from him -- but, once again, one must be patient and wait... more... - Sean McBride
p01yN0Nym0u5 - DorianJohnson the witness already admitted it before his attorney could advise him apparently. At any rate you have a video and no competent attorney was going to dispute what is clearly proven already. Admit what you can not deny. http://www.nytimes.com/2014... - Eric Logan
how many times was #MichaelBrown shot? why is such a simple "fact" so hard to get straight? #Ferguson #FergusonHoax - p01yN0Nym0u5
p01yN0Nym0u5 -- what is the precise sequence of events that you think occurred in the confrontation between Darren Wilson and Michael Brown and Dorian Johnson? - Sean McBride
"But Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson said later in the day Friday that Wilson did not know Brown was a suspect when he stopped Brown and a friend. Asked why they were stopped, the chief said: "Because they were walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic."" http://www.nbcnews.com/storyli... Jaywalking? - Sean McBride
That I don't know. I have read that the first shot was fired in the car. I am going to wait and read the facts of the case as they come out. - Eric Logan from FFHound!
Perhaps more security videos will emerge that will answer some of these questions. - Sean McBride
The first comment in this thread -- real or not real? -- has been answered -- real. Andrew seems to have retreated to the position that the video doesn't matter -- but most Americans expressing themselves on the Internet today on the issue apparently disagree strenuously. - Sean McBride
By the way, you can follow this story in real time with Google News here: https://news.google.com/news... What is fascinating is to dig into the comments on the various news stories and see which way the wind is blowing. - Sean McBride
Mister H: Since Michael Brown was killed in Ferguson, at at least 5 people (ages 23,17, 30, 26 &16) have died in Chicago violence. No outrage? https://twitter.com/ATHudd... - Sean McBride
"Ferguson Protesters React to Michael Brown Robbery Footage" http://reason.com/blog... "Reason TV talked with protesters in front of a burned-out QuikTrip that looters destroyed earlier this week. Most saw little reason that the new information should dampen their outrage towards the police, and some even justified the destruction of private property as necessary and effective in garnering attention for their cause." [Interesting set of comments.] - Sean McBride
"Ferguson Store Owners Upset Over Looting" http://abcnews.go.com/US... - Sean McBride
"Ferguson store looted early Saturday; Brown was accused of robbing same location" http://www.washingtontimes.com/news... The main narrative on Michael Brown has shifted dramatically over the last 24 hours -- the looting of the robbed store has been the key turning point. - Sean McBride
Typical of trending comments across all platforms: "That video was a perfect precursor for one to understand what happened to that cop who now more than likely is looking like he was just protecting his own life from an out of control oversized thug who just robbed and assaulted a store owner with physical intimidation tactics twice. Do people really think this thug would have softened... more... - Sean McBride
Andrew missed the pivot: "Ferguson Looters Target Store Where Michael Brown Allegedly Stole Cigars" http://www.mediaite.com/tv... Per usual, check out the main themes of the comments. - Sean McBride
dutchsinse: "I did a full live stream while St. Louis / Ferguson Missouri melted down tonight." https://plus.google.com/1032338... - Sean McBride
"Epic rant while I watched the LIVE DESTRUCTION of my home town, Ferguson Missouri. Tonight was a major letdown, rioters, looters, and hoodlums decided to destroy downtown Ferguson, steal from multiple stores...... WHILE LAUGHING and hanging out in the streets. Police did a wise thing (finally), they backed off and now showed the community what happens when NO police riot control... more... - Sean McBride
Some people have compared events in Ferguson to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict -- but one can't recall Palestinians ever looting and destroying their own businesses and neighborhoods. Why would anyone do that? The other difference is that Palestinians have been subjected to much worse violence than Ferguson residents -- see the latest stats in the Gaza conflict -- particularly the number of women and children killed. - Sean McBride
Curfew, state of emergency declared in Ferguson, governor says http://www.latimes.com/nation... - Sean McBride
Andrew picked up his marbles. There is only one politically correct view on these matters. - Sean McBride
For most decent human beings, those four photos at the head of this thread will provoke disgust and revulsion. They will make no excuses for them. It beggars belief that this incident was a one-off. - Sean McBride
How many people, if they were legally carrying a firearm, would be tempted to use it in a situation like this? I know I would be tempted. I loathe violent bullies. - Sean McBride
We don't know yet if Michael Brown physically confronted Darren Wilson -- laid hands on him -- but if he did, the outcome wasn't surprising. Another question people should be asking: were Brown and Dorian Johnson stoned while they were robbing this store and walking down the center of a street blocking traffic? Was Brown stoned when he possibly assaulted Wilson? Dorian Johnson knows the truth on that score. - Sean McBride
DOJ didn't want the tape released we know that now too. The delay in its release are do to wrangling about it. - Eric Logan from FFHound!
Was Eric Holder behind the effort to hide the video? Why shouldn't the American public be informed about the character and temperament of Michael Brown? This strong-arm robbery occurred just minutes before the violent confrontation with Darren Wilson. Clearly Brown had the same mentality as the looters who have brought chaos to Ferguson in recent days. We have the right to know about these facts -- they are directly relevant to the case. - Sean McBride
The notion that the release of this video "assassinated" Michael Brown's character is laughable. Brown assassinated his own character. - Sean McBride
This case is teaching me a lot about Eric Holder. He agrees with the Black Panthers on many issues including that we are a “nation of cowards” on race and this country is fueled by racial animus. It's apparently baked into the constitution from his vantage point. Of course all of that was before the Panthers overtook a news conference to say this. http://www.theblaze.com/stories... - Eric Logan
Fuller Video the Panthers are Birthers also apparently. http://fox2now.com/2014... - Eric Logan
Some people are heavily invested in exploiting ethnic and racial conflicts -- some of them have even built their careers on exploiting these conflicts. Most of us are not bogged down in identity politics -- they are distractions from much more important issues. - Sean McBride
Live by identity politics, die by identity politics -- it's every group for itself. - Sean McBride
That's crazy shit right there. - Eric Logan
Some people will be asking: will Eric Holder try to control the investigation to arrive at a predetermined conclusion -- that Darren Wilson was a violent white racist who murdered Michael Brown in cold blood without provocation? The problem for that narrative is that Wilson's resume, as known so far, is more impressive than that of Michael Brown and Dorian Johnson. No wonder some people wanted to suppress the video -- which "besmirched" their character. Hell, any reference to that video must be racist. - Sean McBride
This just popped up too. ==> A Witness Conversation Unknowingly Captured at the Scene of the Ferguson Shooting. http://www.ijreview.com/2014... - Eric Logan
Eric: from your link: "Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, “Freeze!” Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming.... more... - Sean McBride
It's too bad that Andrew waded into this controversy without waiting for all the facts to develop. - Sean McBride
From 6:18 till 7:18 on the full video you hear the only actual eyewitness on this video clearly say that he thought the police shots where missing him after he turned around to re approach the policeman after the original confrontation. https://www.youtube.com/watch.... - Eric Logan
This is the kind of data that I urged Andrew to patiently wait for -- we will be seeing more, I am sure. - Sean McBride
My intuitive sense of things: from what I know of Darren Wilson so far, he does not come across as the kind of person who would shoot anyone in cold blood without a significant provocation. From what I know of Michael Brown so far, he comes across as the kind of person who would recklessly provoke a violent confrontation. All of these impressions may change, of course -- let's wait and... more... - Sean McBride
Regarding Dorian Johnson's eyewitness testimony -- he may be a less than credible witness /understatement -- or he may be telling the truth. The fact that he participated with Brown in a strong-arm robbery minutes before the incident, and that he was a friend of Brown, doesn't necessarily discredit his testimony. - Sean McBride
I have listened to that video three times now every other witness states somewhere on the video that they did not actually see it. The lady was in the shower when she heard it. The guy holding the camera says he knew it wasn't fireworks, but they all say how the kid was shot for no reason. Except the guy who gives a description of what he actually saw he thought the police where... more... - Eric Logan
Eventually all the data will come together and we will know what's what. - Sean McBride
Comment: "Well, this puts a different light on the whole "the cop just starting shooting him" story as well as why he was shot so many times. IF, Brown didn't stop after being shot once or twice the officer would have emptied his gun. Perhaps Browne was drugged up on something?" The autopsies should settle the drug issue one way or the other. - Sean McBride
It just occurred to me that Barack Obama and Eric Holder could take a major political hit if they are perceived as trying to influence the investigation in any way whatever. - Sean McBride
[AG Eric Holder asks for federal autopsy on Michael Brown http://www.wjla.com/article...] - Sean McBride
[Eric Holder ‘concerned’ over Ferguson http://www.politico.com/story...] - Sean McBride
[Feds order a third autopsy of Michael Brown http://www.vox.com/xpress...] - Sean McBride
A *third* autopsy? Perhaps after a fourth or fifth autopsy Eric Holder can make the "facts" fit whatever narrative he has in mind. He has already tried to censor the strong-arm robbery video. - Sean McBride
It is beginning to look like this entire investigation is going to be all about Eric Holder -- and his boss. - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Now We Know Why Ferguson Police DELAYED Release of the Mike Brown Robbery Video: O-B-A-M-A - http://toprightnews.com/...
"The video (below) showing the ‘strong-arm’ robbery of Swisher Sweet cigars by Michael Brown blew the entire Ferguson, Missouri controversy wide open yesterday. It shredded the media/activist narrative that Brown was a saintly “gentle giant”, completely innocent until a racist cop cut him down in his prime." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"The video so shocked Brown’s defenders that they refused to believe it, claiming it was ‘Photoshopped’, even as the Brown family attorney admitted it was in fact him." - Sean McBride
"Now we know why they took so long to release it: because Barack Obama’s Attorney General told them not to. That’s right, Eric Holder pressured the Ferguson P.D. all week to hold back the robbery video, nor even tell anyone about it, terming it too “inflammatory” to be seen." - Sean McBride
"It was only after Obama pressured Democrat Governor Jay Nixon to take the Ferguson police off the case and put the state Highway Patrol (with its Black chief) in charge, that the fed-up, betrayed department finally released the truth about Mike Brown — angering Obama and Holder." - Sean McBride
True or not true? - Sean McBride
"Stunning. The nation’s chief law enforcement official trying to obstruct justice of a local police force in order to enforce his and Obama’s racial narrative. Will Holder once again escape any consequences of his actions? As one commenter on our YouTube video remarked: “Trying to hide exculpatory evidence is illegal.”" - Sean McBride
Is Jay Nixon's script being written by Barack Obama and Eric Holder? - Sean McBride
Obama may be making some incredible political missteps here, if new information about the shooting doesn't break in the way he expects. - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Dan McDermott: Here is Officer Darren Wilson's version of the Ferguson, Mo. shooting according to a woman claiming to be a family friend https://plus.google.com/+DanMcD...
""It's been really hard to be quiet because I do know his [Officer Wilson's] version of the story and I haven't... It seems like everyone is only talking about the other side and I understand they haven't really gotten to hear his side and I have been afraid to say anything. I think we all are, all of his friends and his family but I think we need to put out his version of events so maybe people can consider them as the truth, if nothing else." - Sean McBride
""[Officer Wilson] said that they were walking in the middle of the street. He rolled his window down and said, 'Come on guys. Get out of the street.' They refused to and were yelling back and we're almost where we're going and there was some cussing and he kept rolling up and he pulled over and I believe at that point he called for some backup but I'm not sure but I know he pulled up... more... - Sean McBride
""Then Michael takes off with his friend. They get to be about 35 feet away and Darren [Wilson], of course protocol is to pursue. So he stands up and yells, 'Freeze!' Michael and his friend turn around and Michael starts taunting him. 'Oh, what are you going to do about it? You're not gonna shoot me.'" - Sean McBride
""And then all of a sudden [Michael] started to bum rush him. He just started coming at him full speed so [Officer Wilson] started shooting and he just kept coming. So [Officer Wilson] really thinks [Michael Brown] was on something because he just kept coming. It was unbelievable. And so the final shot was in the forehead and he fell about 2 or 3 feet in front of the officer." - Sean McBride
""So that's why the stories are going around that he was shot execution style. I think some people saw the shot to his head. Of course ballistics will prove that he wasn't shot in the back like other people are saying, quote unquote 'witnesses.'" - Sean McBride
"That's his version of what happened." - Sean McBride
Does this sound plausible in light of the facts known to date? -- you be the judge. I don't know. - Sean McBride
Some of the terms that have worked their way deeply into the public conversation and consciousness so far: 1. bullying 2. bum rush 3. intimidation 4. looting 5. mobs 6. strong-arm robbery 7. thug - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Jay Nixon: Ferguson robbery video had an "incendiary effect" - CBS News - http://www.cbsnews.com/news...
Comments across all Internet platforms are going overwhelmingly *against* Michael Brown, Dorian Johnson and the looters -- the comments on this CBS article are typical. But the lead stories on mainstream media outlets are not reflecting this reality. Why? - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Ferguson in real time with Google News: https://news.google.com/news...
Awesome news tool. - Sean McBride
Eric Logan
BBC - Blogs - Adam Curtis - WHAT THE FLUCK! - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs...
BBC - Blogs - Adam Curtis - WHAT THE FLUCK!
Every month or so there is a new scandal - mass snooping by the NSA, allegations of price-fixing by giant energy companies, major banks corruptly rigging interest rates, giant modern bureaucracies like Serco and G4S ripping off the taxpayer, children's entertainers from the past charged with sexual abuse. But these stories never seem to add up to a bigger picture. They are isolated events . And our reaction is always the same - shock and horror, and then it all subsides and we are ready to be shocked and horrified when the next scandal comes along. It's like a ritualised dance - or the surprised kitty. - Eric Logan from Bookmarklet
This is a really good article from Adam Curtis. - Eric Logan
Eric Logan
NPR Is Laundering CIA Talking Points to Make You Scared of NSA Reporting - The Intercept - https://firstlook.org/theinte...
NPR Is Laundering CIA Talking Points to Make You Scared of NSA Reporting - The Intercept
On August 1, NPR’s Morning Edition broadcast a story by NPR national security reporter Dina Temple-Raston touting explosive claims from what she called “a tech firm based in Cambridge, Massachusetts.” That firm, Recorded Future, worked together with “a cyber expert, Mario Vuksan, the CEO of ReversingLabs,” to produce a new report that purported to vindicate the repeated accusation from U.S. officials that “revelations from former NSA contract worker Edward Snowden harmed national security and allowed terrorists to develop their own countermeasures.” - Eric Logan from Bookmarklet
NPR is much superior to CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, ABC News, CBS News, etc., but too often it disappoints. - Sean McBride
WarLord
#HRC Watching Hillary inept tone deaf campaign for President I'm upgrading my Biden bet to even money! #repeating2008 #notinagoodway
# Hillary Clinton: descriptions 1. AIPAC tool 2. blaring 3. blatting 4. bloodthirsty 5. bombastic 6. boring 7. coarse 8. corrupt 9. crude 10. dried up 11. dull 12. in questionable health 13. mediocre 14. neocon 15. not that bright 16. old 17. past her shelf life 18. sociopathic 19. stale 20. stodgy 21. tired 22. tone deaf 23. Wall Street tool 24. war harpy 25. warmonger 26. without accomplishments - Sean McBride
There were good reasons why Hillary Clinton lost the nomination in 2008 -- and there are even better reasons for her to lose the 2016 nomination. - Sean McBride
In terms of political talent, Hillary Clinton is no Bill Clinton. Bill is a .400 hitter -- Hillary a .200 hitter at best. - Sean McBride
Elizabeth Warren easily could crush Hillary Clinton in 2016 by using Barack Obama's 2008 playbook -- run to her left, especially on foreign policy. But the powers that be will do everything in their power to prevent Warren from running. They are counting on Hillary Clinton to go to war against Iran. - Sean McBride
Everything about Hillary Clinton reeks of inauthenticity. - Sean McBride
Andrew C (✔)
Article: George Will confirms Nixon's Vietnam treason | OpEdNews - http://www.opednews.com/article...
"The new release of extended versions of Nixon's papers now confirms this long-standing belief, usually dismissed as a "conspiracy theory" by Republican conservatives. Now it has been substantiated by none other than right-wing columnist George Will. Nixon's newly revealed records show for certain that in 1968, as a presidential candidate, he ordered Anna Chennault, his liaison to the South Vietnam government, to persuade them refuse a cease-fire being brokered by President Lyndon Johnson. Nixon's interference with these negotiations violated President John Adams's 1797 Logan Act, banning private citizens from intruding into official government negotiations with a foreign nation." - Andrew C (✔) from Bookmarklet
Geez. - Stephen Mack
Eric Logan
Obama’s $11 Billion Arms Deal With Terror-Sponsoring Nation of Qatar. - http://www.independentsentinel.com/obamas-...
Obama’s $11 Billion Arms Deal With Terror-Sponsoring Nation of Qatar.
Apaches and Javelin defense systems are heading off to Qatar as part of our wonderful relationship with the terror-sponsoring nation that also happens to share close ties with Hamas and Al Qaeda. The weapons are valued at $11 billion. - Eric Logan from Bookmarklet
Regarding the agenda of this publication: [Google; site:independentsentinel.com israel http://www.google.com/#q=site...] It has repeatedly sided with the Israeli government against the American government. - Sean McBride
rotflmao.....this is a zio and right wing propaganda site. - American
I don't know much about the site a friend posted the article pointing out the circular nature of arming Qatar who funds Hamas while we also arm and fund Israel. - Eric Logan
Steven Perez
KKK Raising Money for Police Officer Who Shot African-American Teen | Hatewatch - http://www.splcenter.org/blog...
"The one thing the racially charged and besieged city of Ferguson, Mo. does not need or want to add to the combustible mix of rubber bullets, snarling police dogs and clouds of tear gas that have filled its streets for three days is the Ku Klux Klan. But the Klan –– desperate for publicity and any opportunity to spread hate and terror –– is climbing atop the powder keg that Ferguson has become following the police killing of an unarmed college-bound black teenager last Saturday." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
"The South Carolina-based New Empire Knights of the Ku Klux Klan says its Missouri chapter is raising money for the still unidentified white police officer who shot and killed Michael Brown, 18, who was scheduled to begin college classes this week. “We are setting up a reward/fund for the police officer who shot this thug,” the Klan group said in an email. “He is a hero! We need more... more... - Steven Perez
Steven Perez
MRAP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
MRAP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP; /ˈɛmræp/ em-rap) vehicles are armored fighting vehicles used by various armed forces, whose designed purpose is surviving improvised explosive device (IED) attacks and ambushes. The first development in armored vehicles designed specifically to counter the land mine threat were initiated during the Rhodesian Bush War; existing technology was subsequently inherited (and matured) by the South African Defence Force after 1980." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
"The deployment of MRAP vehicles has not been without criticism. The most common are concerns about the high cost ($17.6 billion program), potential logistical difficulties due to high fuel consumption and varied designs, a greater disconnection between troops and the local population due to their massive size and menacing appearance (conflicting with current counter-insurgency (COIN)... more... - Steven Perez
"Police departments inside the U.S. are acquiring MRAP vehicle through the 1033 program, which allows the Defense Department to redistribute equipment it no longer needs to state and municipal agencies. Rather than buying a new vehicle, which would cost $535,000-$600,000 to procure, some police departments like the Ohio State University Police Department have picked up surplus MRAPs... more... - Steven Perez
"Since becoming available in the summer of 2013, 165 MRAP vehicles had been acquired by police and sheriff’s departments. The American Civil Liberties Union has concerns of "increasing militarization of the nation’s police," and that the military hardware could escalate violent situations. Many vehicles have been obtained by rural police with few officers or crime. Police have rejected... more... - Steven Perez
Sean McBride
Trita Parsi: Wondering why the excessive police violence? Here's a guess: #Ferguson police chief got training in Israel... #Gaza pic.twitter.com/RxEznr8cGP https://twitter.com/tparsi...
Scott Horton: Israel trains your cops to treat you like occupied Palestinians. You still love them. Because TV says you should. http://www.stltoday.com/news... https://twitter.com/scottho... - Sean McBride
Anonymous: If anyone missed this: #Ferguson Police Chief Tim Fitch Studied Counter-Terrorism in Israel with IDF pic.twitter.com/Oc3NBSPJbx https://twitter.com/YourAno... - Sean McBride
Steven Perez
BBC News - #BBCtrending: From Ferguson to 'Fergustan' - http://www.bbc.com/news...
BBC News - #BBCtrending: From Ferguson to 'Fergustan'
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"The shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown sparked often violent protests, looting and rioting across Ferguson, Missouri, over the past three days. Some commentators have now dubbed the suburb "Fergustan" on social media, suggesting the area now resembles a "war zone". Eyewitnesses say Mr Brown raised his arms in an attempt to surrender before he was shot by an officer, but police say there was a struggle. As local and county police have taken to the streets to contain the unrest, many have questioned whether their show of force has been too excessive." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
Our local police force just purchased several military surplus vehicles ... I guess because they were cheap. But one does wonder if they arent overkill. - Shannon - GlassMistress
Cops with tanks is why non-violence is not never winning. Cops don't understand or respect non-violence. They understand guns and the application escalation of violence to subdue/win They only respect other guns se Cliven Bundy. - WarLord
What's a gun gonna do to an MRAP? They'll just run you over. - Victor Ganata
Cops don't respect guns either. If you're black or brown and armed, they won't even hesitate to pull the trigger. It's just that they're not (yet) willing to gun down white people in broad daylight. That's the real reason they didn't touch Cliven Bundy. - Victor Ganata
I attended my "police riots" in my youth This is not a flashback that I'm enjoying. But I don't see Walt Street or the cops volunteering to give back their power..... We really have no choice in the matter any more - WarLord
Well, it's going to take more than just guns. - Victor Ganata
Yes. That's why you law abiding citizens should surrender all your guns. So the government can protect you. http://therundownlive.com/us-army... - Eric Logan
Hey, go ahead and fire your guns at cops if it gives you a hard on. I'm not going to stop you. I'm just trying not to get myself killed, is all. Some people are more entitled to Second Amendment rights than others. - Victor Ganata
Only if you're not a white rancher, mooching off federal land. After all, wouldn't want to give the thugs any ideas that they have rights or anything. - Steven Perez
Let's face it. None of this would be happening if Michael Brown had actually pointed a gun at a cop (or if the Ferguson PD had planted a gun on his corpse). He'd just be written off as some criminal. And maybe that's what some people want by pushing guns on disenfranchised people so hard: an excuse for cops to gun them all down without any remorse or any worries about the bad PR. - Victor Ganata
Actually I think everyone is entitled to their second amendments rights until they commit a crime that strips them of their rights. The MRAP's where a little late in my estimation. Now they are being used on peaceful protesters. I am not pushing guns on anyone I am just not for giving up rights. I don't live in a hypothetical world either. - Eric Logan
That everyone has the same right to the Second Amendment is most assuredly entirely hypothetical. - Victor Ganata
Not where I live it isn't. Georgia even has an open carry law. - Eric Logan
Well, I'm sure law-abiding armed PoCs never get shot to death by cops in Georgia, then. - Victor Ganata
It's kind of hard to tell because apparently they don't really want us to know. This is all I could find they do keep very good statistics on policeman that get shot though. Police Involved Shooting Statistics: A National One-Year Summary. http://jimfishertruecrime.blogspot.com/2012... - Eric Logan
I wonder what the odds are that an armed law-abiding PoC who shoots a corrupt cop trying to arrest/kill him on trumped-up charges will be lauded as a hero and not a, you know, cop-killing murderer? - Victor Ganata
There was a cop-killing criminal, Lovell Mixon, who murdered four Oakland police officers before being shot himself. He was raping, drug-dealing, violent scum. Yet there are some locally who see him as some kind of hero. There's even a movie defending his actions. There are dozens of perspectives out there. Some are really fucked up. But people believe them. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
True, some really messed-up people get lionized, but however way you slice it, the odds that a PoC shooting at cops comes out alive—justified or not—seem fairly slim. - Victor Ganata
Steven Perez
Anonymous hacks Ferguson, Mo., police site for dispatch tapes - CNET - http://www.cnet.com/news...
"The hacking collective publishes hours of alleged police dispatch tapes on Twitter and YouTube from the day unarmed teenager Michael Brown was shot to death by police in a St. Louis suburb." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
I saw somewhere that these probably came from a public subscription service, so probably real and probably not a hack. - Andrew C (✔)
Steven Perez
Anonymous Releases Alleged Name Of Officer They Say Fatally Shot Michael Brown « CBS St. Louis - http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014...
Anonymous Releases Alleged Name Of Officer They Say Fatally Shot Michael Brown « CBS St. Louis
"ST. LOUIS (CBS St. Louis/AP) — Internet hacking group “Anonymous” released Thursday morning on Twitter the alleged name of the Ferguson police officer they claim fatally shot 18-year-old Michael Brown last weekend. The group then warned that they will first release the officer’s photo, then his address, and finally “full documents” within hours if the St. Louis County Police Department does not respond. CBS St. Louis will not identify the person named by Anonymous until it is confirmed by officials. Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson said Wednesday that they will not release the officer’s name due to threats, despite cyber-attacks on the city’s website." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
Steven Perez
‘Overkill’: Images from Ferguson protest show cops treating city like a war zone - http://www.rawstory.com/rs...
‘Overkill’: Images from Ferguson protest show cops treating city like a war zone
"As demonstrations in Ferguson, Missouri enter their fourth night, pictures and online posts from the scene show an escalation in response from St. Louis County police. Despite police insisting, “Your right to demonstrate is not being obstructed,” they have brought at least 70 SWAT team officers and one tank to stand opposite the protesters in the street. The Huffington Post reported that state Sen. Maria Chapelle Nadal (D), who criticized the police response in an MSNBC interview on Tuesday night, was taken into custody." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
Steven Perez
Police Militarization In Ferguson - Business Insider - http://www.businessinsider.com/police-...
Police Militarization In Ferguson - Business Insider
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"In Afghanistan, we patrolled in big, armored trucks. We wore uniforms that conveyed the message, "We are a military force, and we are in control right now." Many Afghans saw us as occupiers. And now we see some of our police officers in this same way. "The militarization of law enforcement is counter-productive to domestic policing and needs to stop," tweeted Andrew Exum, a former Army infantry officer. If there's one thing I learned in Afghanistan, it's this: You can't win a person's heart and mind when you are pointing a rifle at his or her chest." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
Steven Perez
Protesters and police face off in St. Louis suburb over shooting - LA Times - http://www.latimes.com/nation...
Protesters and police face off in St. Louis suburb over shooting - LA Times
"Blacks in Ferguson are twice as likely to be stopped by police as whites, according to an annual report on racial profiling by the Missouri attorney general. Last year, 93% of arrests following car stops in Ferguson were of blacks. Ninety-two percent of searches and 80% of car stops involved blacks, the report said." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
Steven Perez
Not Just Ferguson: 11 Eye-Opening Facts About America's Militarized Police Forces | Perspectives | BillMoyers.com - http://billmoyers.com/2014...
Not Just Ferguson: 11 Eye-Opening Facts About America's Militarized Police Forces | Perspectives | BillMoyers.com
"The “war on terror” has come home — and it’s wreaking havoc on innocent American lives. The culprit is the militarization of the police. The weapons that destroyed Afghanistan and Iraq have made their way to local law enforcement. While police forces across the country began a process of militarization — complete with SWAT teams and flash-bang grenades — when President Reagan intensified the “war on drugs,” the post-9/11 “war on terror” has added fuel to the fire. Through laws and regulations like a provision in defense budgets that authorizes the Pentagon to transfer surplus military gear to police forces, local law enforcement agencies are using weapons found on the battlefields of South Asia and the Middle East." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
Steven Perez
War Comes Home: The Excessive Militarization of American Policing | American Civil Liberties Union - https://www.aclu.org/war-com...
War Comes Home: The Excessive Militarization of American Policing | American Civil Liberties Union
"All across the country, heavily armed SWAT teams are raiding people’s homes in the middle of the night, often just to search for drugs. It should enrage us that people have needlessly died during these raids, that pets have been shot, and that homes have been ravaged. Our neighborhoods are not warzones, and police officers should not be treating us like wartime enemies. Any yet, every year, billions of dollars’ worth of military equipment flows from the federal government to state and local police departments. Departments use these wartime weapons in everyday policing, especially to fight the wasteful and failed drug war, which has unfairly targeted people of color. As our new report makes clear, it’s time for American police to remember that they are supposed to protect and serve our communities, not wage war on the people who live in them." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
"It is widely known that policing tactics across the country often unfairly target communities of color. According to our investigation, the use of paramilitary weapons and tactics appears to be no different. These maps show the distribution of SWAT raids by racial composition of neighborhoods in two cities, but this trend is echoed nationwide. Read the complete report for more." - Steven Perez
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