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Andrew C (✔)
Colleges are full of it: Behind the three-decade scheme to raise tuition, bankrupt generations, and hypnotize the media - Salon.com - http://www.salon.com/2014...
"The price of a year at college has increased by more than 1,200 percent over the last 30 years, far outpacing any other price the government tracks: food, housing, cars, gasoline, TVs, you name it. Tuition has increased at a rate double that of medical care, usually considered the most expensive of human necessities. It has outstripped any reasonable expectation people might have had for investments over the period. And, as we all know, it has crushed a generation of college grads with debt. Today, thanks to those enormous tuition prices, young Americans routinely start adult life with a burden unknown to any previous cohort and whose ruinous effects we can only guess at." - Andrew C (✔) from Bookmarklet
"But even that would probably be considered an outrage were it published today. Last year, the Obama administration announced its own “Plan to Make College More Affordable”; the centerpiece was a scheme for doing something analogous to what that Commission proposed back in 1998: building a rating system to inform the public about the returns on college investments. (There was also the... more... - Andrew C (✔)
"As the reforms fail and the journalism fails maybe we will figure out that all along there has been a single bad ideological idea behind all of this failure: The notion that the market will solve the problem if we only adjust the controls a little. And as the newspapers of 2020 tell us about an angry new generation of students shouldering an unimaginable debt burden, maybe it will dawn... more... - Andrew C (✔)
"Let me repeat, as a fact of some significance, that the great tuition price spiral began in 1981. That was the same year in which Ronald Reagan brought his jolly band of deregulators to Washington, in which Congress enacted the landmark Kemp-Roth tax cut, and in which the air-traffic controllers’ union went down to humiliating defeat. In 1981 the old order was crumbling, the soldiers... more... - Andrew C (✔)
"When considering the significance of this point of beginning, a 1987 inquiry into the tuition problem threw up its hands. “Nobody knows why tuition increases lagged behind consumer prices in the 1970s and jumped ahead in the 1980s,” according to an Associated Press summary. But in retrospect I think the answer is obvious. It happened then because these things are all related: deregulation, tax cuts, de-unionization and outrageous tuition inflation are all part of the same historical turn." - Andrew C (✔)
"Economists who write about class issues usually depict higher ed as a force for solving the inequality problem, not for making it worse. Other big thinkers tell us that universities are fountainheads of innovation and creativity, the only things we really have going for us as a nation. Those attitudes, plus the amazing deference our professional and political classes feel toward the... more... - Andrew C (✔)
Andrew C (✔)
"Let's not kid outselves. This guy [Dennis Marx] is a product of more than his own psychoses. He is a product of a conservative movement that has lost its moral bearings, a gun culture than imbibes paranoia the way some people drink iced tea, a media infrastructure -- from Roger Ailes's empire through the poison from which Clear Channel and other media conglomerate profit, all the way down to the guys broadcasting on short-wave from their root cellars in upper Michigan -- that enables and encourages and empowers armed political paranoia and does so for the cheapest possible reasons, for political power and for corporate profit." - Andrew C (✔)
"And, no, Both Sides do not do this. There is nothing comparable on the Left to the vast ideological bunker of the mind that has been created and sustained by the institutions of modern conservatism within which Dennis Marx found a home. In a week in which Bowe Bergdahl has been slandered for cheap points and cheaper laughs, the emergence (once again) of an actual American terrorist should be a very sobering moment." - Andrew C (✔)
Sean McBride
Neoconservatism has wronged the American Right | Communities Digital News (Joseph Cotto) - http://www.commdiginews.com/politic...
"What we call “conservatism” in today’s America was not always so. While the center-right is now associated with endless wars, runaway defense spending, decreased civil liberties in the name of national security, and moral hypocrisy, this is an anomaly. Once upon a time, our nation’s conservatives stood for non-interventionism, supported a military-industrial complex that served practical goals, emphasized constitutional rights, and were not susceptible to allegations of hypocrisy because they didn’t claim moral superiority. What happened? The answer is complex, but it can be boiled down to a single word: Neoconservatism." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
“Needless to say, the corporate establishment is also delighted to have the neocons on their side because these wire-pullers are great on certain things that big business and the defense industries want, e.g., cheap foreign labor produced by a very liberal immigration policy, getting along with the social Left by not raising unseemly objections, and, not least of all, a foreign policy that pours money into ‘defense,’ which really means military interventionism.” - Sean McBride
"“I don’t see how the present disparity in power and resources between the neoconservatives and the Old Right will ever change,” Gottfried says. “Right now one side holds all the good cards; while the other side has been marginalized and treated as non-existent in both the neoconservative and liberal presses. By the way, I don’t buy the argument I sometimes hear that neoconservatives... more... - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
GOP warms to climate change as voters embrace global warming believers | WashingtonExaminer.com - http://washingtonexaminer.com/gop-shi...
"Breaking from party orthodoxy, a majority of Republican voters now accept climate change, sparking a drive inside the GOP to find a middle ground to help candidates finesse the issue without sounding out of touch or in the tank for President Obama and Al Gore. “There is a middle way where we can talk about this,” said GOP pollster Alex Lundry of TargetPoint Consulting. "Republicans are a lot more open to this than you might think."" - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"He recently completed a poll on energy issues for Citizens for Responsible Energy Solutions that found 51 percent of Republicans believe climate change is happening, will happen shortly or will occur in their lifetime. Just 24 percent deny it. The shift is particularly pronounced among younger party members." - Sean McBride
Open to what? What do they want to do? - Berthe
Depends on which people you talk to. - Sean McBride
"Lundry suggested seven themes that at least 66 percent of Republican voters favored, including pushing to leave a clean air legacy, promoting health through reduced air pollution, boosting the economy with renewable energy sources and “being responsible stewards of God’s creation.” The military's acceptance of global warming also provides some cover for Republicans." - Sean McBride
"While both sides tend to demagogue the issue, Lundry said that Republican voters now believe that “you can be pro-limited government and pro-environment at the same time. They do not see that as a contradiction in terms.”" - Sean McBride
“being responsible stewards of God’s creation.” /o\ - непростые коротышки
If we don't protect our ground of being we will cease to exist. - Sean McBride
Did you see this http://dailycaller.com/2014... Rural Americans power bills could skyrocket 40 percent. - Berthe
Anyone dependent on the coal industry is going to take a major hit. - Sean McBride
WarLord
Back when "open carry" advocates carried rifles and pistols to Obama election rally's everybody (Republicans) thought it was a swell idea and arguing otherwise was an overreaction of a spoilsport. Now open carry has moved beyond Presidential politics to Chipotle and Target. I'm guessing Republicans having a Todd Akin moment over this new tactic
It may very well affect some voters but overall it's not moving the needle on Gun Control. At this point other than a sporadic fundraiser for left and right additional laws regulating firearms are not going to happen - WarLord
WarLord, aren't you skeptical of a false flag when someone carries a gun to an Obama rally? I always remember that Congressman from New York who was in the antiVietnam war movement saying they always knew when they had an FBI person in their midst because he was the one advocating they should blow up a building. - Berthe
Eric Logan
The strange thing about this story is Obama having that Rose Garden event with the parents. I heard someone who lost a son in Afghanistan say that Obama doesn't even send personal letters to parents who lost a son or daughter. - Berthe
Eric Logan
Daniel Ellsberg: Snowden would not get a fair trial - and Kerry is wrong http://gu.com/p/3pkd5/tw via @guardian
Daniel Ellsberg: Snowden would not get a fair trial - and Kerry is wrong http://gu.com/p/3pkd5/tw via @guardian
On the Today show and CBS, Kerry complimented me again – and said Snowden "should man up and come back to the United States" to face charges. But John Kerry is wrong, because that's not the measure of patriotism when it comes to whistleblowing, for me or Snowden, who is facing the same criminal charges I did for exposing the Pentagon Papers. As Snowden told Brian Williams on NBC later that night and Snowden's lawyer told me the next morning, he would have no chance whatsoever to come home and make his case – in public or in court. Snowden would come back home to a jail cell – and not just an ordinary cell-block but isolation in solitary confinement, not just for months like Chelsea Manning but for the rest of his sentence, and probably the rest of his life. His legal adviser, Ben Wizner, told me that he estimates Snowden's chance of being allowed out on bail as zero. (I was out on bond, speaking against the Vietnam war, the whole 23 months I was under indictment). More importantly,... more... - Eric Logan
Sean McBride
Gen. Vallely: Amb. Stevens Involved in Secret US Arms Deal With Rebels - http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfro...
"American Ambassador Christopher Stevens, who was murdered with three other Americans in Benghazi in 2012, was involved in a secret U.S. arms deal with al-Qaida-backed Libyan rebels, retired Army Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely has claimed. "We now have pretty good evidence to answer the question of why Ambassador Stevens was in Benghazi," Vallely exclusively told "The Steve Malzberg Show" on Newsmax TV. "He was there because of an arms deal that was a covert plan within the State Department … to arm the Libyan rebels whom the United States government was supporting, and who ultimately ousted former Libyan Prime Minister Moammar Gadhafi in October 2011,'' Vallely said." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"One of the people involved in the weapons deal, and who met with Stevens, was American arms merchant Marc Turi — who, according to Vallely, is now being silenced by the U.S. government." - Sean McBride
"But now, "Turi has a sealed indictment against him by the U.S. government and State Department," Vallely said. "Here's an individual caught up again in the vise of this government, [which] wants to silence anybody that knows anything deep about Benghazi.'' "That's why the [House] Select Committee [on Benghazi] is so important … Marc Turi's the guy that hopefully we can get all that information out of once we can get him in front of the Select Committee.''" - Sean McBride
"Vallely — founder of Stand Up America, a conservative, patriotic American think tank — said he does not know why the State Department would be involved in arms trading. "Why the State Department is involved in an arms deal is beyond me. I thought they were diplomatic representatives of America, but here they put their ambassador at risk in Benghazi trying to arm al-Qaida,'' he said." - Sean McBride
Was Hillary Clinton and her neocon cabal trying to arm al-Qaida? The claim is believable, if not yet proven. - Sean McBride
Democrats who think there is nothing to see here are quite stupid -- or exceedingly corrupt. - Sean McBride
If Hillary Clinton was indeed arming al-Qaida -- the alleged perps behind 9/11 -- she is certainly unfit to be president. This is a huge issue. - Sean McBride
This is weird. If Stevens is arming the rebels, why would they attack him. But that is what happened. This story does not make sense on multiple levels. - WJones
Internecine conflict among the extremists and terrorists that Hillary was arming might explain it. Or perhaps one of the factions felt that it had been double-crossed by the Americans. Or perhaps one of the factions was playing a double game. The overall neocon policy was quite stupid -- and bears a close resemblance to the neocon policy to foment a coup in Ukraine. - Sean McBride
Yea, except it don't explain the lack of backup sent to the site when it occurred for 4 hours in time. - WJones
That's another key question that needs to be answered. - Sean McBride
The Libyan situation is strange. There might have been warnings or an offer for help by the Libyan govt that was turned down for example, in that event. And now The US backed opposition general has beseiged the parliament? I wonder how regular Libyans felt about the coup there. Strange and there is not much I understand. - WJones
The "normal" explanations, including Obama being Muslim, or the ones you mentioned, don't explain things very well. - WJones
None of us understand very much about the Libyan situation yet because the truth has been covered up with a heavy hand. - Sean McBride
Most Democrats are jamming their fingers in their ears about this issue -- they don't want to know the truth because the truth might damage Hillary Clinton's presidential prospects. For them it's all about partisanship and circling the wagons. - Sean McBride
True. And sad. It's the "benefit" of having a democrat in office- less criticism by democrats of offensive, anti-democratic policies. - WJones
There were minor rumblings about the bailout. - WJones
Also, it's thought that in some foreign policy Obama is not as bad as Mccain would have been. After the Vietnam War, Mccain would probably get off his jollies on intervention in Syria and Ukraine. - WJones
Mccain's anger at Christian delegations from Syria to Congress exposes that this guy is coming from a full neocon dominator global takeover mindset. His pop put the cover up on the USS lIberty IIRC. - WJones
Mccain is not antiMuslim or pro-Christian. That would not explain Syria. - WJones
Hasn't McCain contemplated converting to Judaism? -- I read that somewhere. He would have been a much more hawkish president than Obama, that is for sure. He would have attacked Iran within months of moving into the White House. - Sean McBride
Stephen Sniegoski said in transparent Cabal, the neocons were promoting McCain. But with Rove's electioneering win in S. Carolina (the black baby story) Bush pulled ahead in the primary. He asserts that McCain was the neocon's front man, and the McCain's public record seems to support this. Thankfully a majority of Americans don't seem to trust that cantankerous (so-called) maverick. lol - Chu_
McCain strikes one as a Mossad Manchurian Candidate -- a politician who is entirely under the thumb of the Israeli government and the Israel lobby and who takes his marching orders from them. He seems to be under a spell. - Sean McBride
Mossad Manchurian Candidate - true. Neocons and Neolibs need a new stooge. hopefully partisanship will fall out of fashion in the US. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014... - Chu_
Andrew C (✔)
"From Columbine to Newtown to Isla Vista, we’ve seen this narrative play out many times, and one understands the desire to cover all the angles and search for something new. After all, it gets a bit boring and repetitive to state what is, nonetheless, blindingly obvious: it’s not Judd Apatow or “Neighbors,” the new frat-boy movie. It’s not the Internet or the “manosphere.” It’s not anomie or misogyny, or too much sex, or too little, or anything else having to do with the dreadful but familiar pathologies of male adolescence and post-adolescence. It’s American gun laws." - Andrew C (✔)
"Having said that, I should note that other countries also have lots of angry, alienated, and frustrated young men, some of whom are troubled and disturbed. (They also have plenty of older men who fit the same description.) […] Of course, the louts weren’t armed, and neither was anybody else. Thanks to Britain’s highly restrictive laws, the only firearms I ever saw were the occasional... more... - Andrew C (✔)
"Let’s accept that misogyny was at the root, or close to the root, of Rodger’s fury and feelings of inadequacy. It’s hardly an exclusively American phenomenon. In comparison to many countries, it could be argued, the United States does a reasonable job of discouraging it, and keeping it in check. There are many countries where misogyny is officially tolerated, or even encouraged. But it doesn’t seem to lead to gun massacres of the sort that the United States is now famous for." - Andrew C (✔)
While, yeah, with sensible gun control, the body counts would be lower, especially after Isla Vista, I'm really starting to think there's also something quite pathological about American culture. Not the usual suspects that the evangelicals will point their fingers at, though. - Victor Ganata
WarLord
At some point it may occur to the oligarch, the one percent that starving their employers ala Walmart is counter productive. As Henry Ford observed employees are potentially customers after all. OTOH we may have reached a tipping point in which the one percent can profit merely trading among themselves.. ....
If that is the case. If the lower and middle class are no longer needed as a market by the rich, then no job of any type or skill set is exempt from being reduced to poverty..... #andmaygodhavemercyonoursouls - WarLord
There are billionaires in third world countries, after all. - Andrew C (✔)
In the past Andrew, there was manufacturing in sweatshops those places with a market yet in the US and other (until now) "first world" countries. With globalization, the rich have discovered their purchases of yachts, limousines and gold I-phones along with looting of various governments and pension funds is sufficient to drive the global economic engine. They don't need us as customers...... #superfluous - WarLord
Yeah, but they'll still need yacht polishers and iphone bedazzlers. - Andrew C (✔)
The main question: to what degree will artificial intelligence and robotics permanently wipe out entire occupations and professions? The medical and legal professions are obvious candidates. - Sean McBride
Oddly I am of a camp that believes robotics will affect the upper end of the occupations and professions. High skill sets will be affected the most Robotic Burgers sound good but even at $15 an hour its cheaper to have 10 people on the line than one expensive machine that might break ie BSOD at lunch rush... The cube farms filled with paper and repetitive "paperwork" tasks wild become... more... - WarLord
I believe you are right. - Sean McBride
Things in the world that can be automated; things in the world that can be weaponized -- nearly everything looking down the line. - Sean McBride
"Player Piano". Vonnegut really could see the future #justsayin - WarLord
He's the man on this topic -- far ahead of his time. - Sean McBride
Eric Logan
David Little: It's all the fault of climate change . - http://www.chicoer.com/columni...
The same day the story about the governor's climate change warning was published in the newspaper, I kept flipping pages until I came to the weather page. I always check the highest and lowest temperatures from the previous day in the lower 48 states. Amazingly on this day, both were in California. The high was 102 in Death Valley. The low was 24 in Bridgeport. They are just a couple hundred miles apart. Are those extremes in such proximity a product of climate change, or just climate? - Eric Logan from Bookmarklet
The grid size for a climate model is around 100-300 km squared x 1km high (which is why climate models cannot measure tornadoes, which are around 10 km squared). Climate models can't measure regional climate effects. - MRW_8
"Are those extremes in such proximity a product of climate change, or just climate?" -- sweeeeeeeet merciful crap. - Andrew C (✔)
Andrew C (✔)
'No Way To Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens | The Onion - America's Finest News Source - http://www.theonion.com/article...
'No Way To Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
"In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place." - Andrew C (✔) from Bookmarklet
Sean McBride
"What is so fascinating about the New York Times’ latest dispatch on Senator Rand Paul is that only on the surface is it about the neoconservatives trying to figure out what to make of the junior senator from Tennessee. The more important glimpse it provides is of how flummoxed the liberal Democrats are by the eye doctor turned constitutional seer. Dr. Paul is skeptical of — to cite Exhibit A — military interventionism. Wasn’t this one of the reasons the Democrats elected President Obama in the first place?" - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"Is he better or worse than, say, Hillary Clinton? Secretary Clinton had a larger carbon footprint than any secretary of state in history. But with all that traveling, she and her colleagues in the administration have left our foreign policy in a shambles. When the call came at 3 a.m., so to speak, she blamed the Mideast riots on a film that, however coarse, was protesting Muslim... more... - Sean McBride
It's not a one dimensional issue, who will Rand Paul appoint to lead cabinet level department, will education become the creationists tool, will labor become even more hostile to working people? How about the literally hundreds of boards? At least Hilary will appoint Democrats. Even the worst of her blue dogs is better than any Tea Party vetted politico. Rick Perry for Sec of Health and Human Services..... - WarLord
Good points -- I am fully aware of the problem. - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
The 'Wary of Hillary' Democrats - Maggie Haberman - POLITICO.com - http://www.politico.com/story...
The 'Wary of Hillary' Democrats - Maggie Haberman - POLITICO.com
Eric Logan
It was advertised as the largest rush, even larger than the gold rush! The government had paid over $2,000,000 in bonuses for uranium discoveries in the past two years in 1955. Some prospectors were being paid over $150,000 per month. The fever in uranium prospecting could be illustrated from the many magazine covers of the period. As early as 1949, popular science magazines started highlighting the uranium prospecting as a hobby. The U.S. Atomic Energy Agency would analyze samples free of charge. A sample of 10 lbs. should be sent for analysis with the location and occurrence or quantity. The government was guaranteeing $3.50 per pound of recoverable uranium oxide. A bonus of $10,000 is authorized for discovery and production of high grade ores from new domestic products. No special governmental license or permit is needed to prospect for or mine uranium or thorium on public or private lands. - Eric Logan from Bookmarklet
Eric Logan
Leaked Memo On Climatology Exposes Growing Worry Within German Meteorological Society…”Unacceptable Unethical Developments” - http://notrickszone.com/2014...
Leaked Memo On Climatology Exposes Growing Worry Within German Meteorological Society…”Unacceptable Unethical Developments”
Memorandum On the situation in the field of meteorology-climatology Based on observations made for quite some time, and due to the current occasion (IPCC 5), colleagues in the meteorological circles have been witnessing with worry how certain developments are becoming cemented into their scientific fields (foremost climatology) which from a scientific point of view simply cannot be accepted and do not comply to their professional ethics. These developments involve first of all something in the lines of a democratization of science: Everyone is allowed and should have a say in it. In meteorology-climatology every one includes a highly very visible army of organized, little known persons; in Germany this is almost the entire public! The changes that have taken place in science as a result have in our opinion (and that of others) led to very negative impacts on the quality standards of science. For example expressed and disseminated meteorological flaws can hardly be contained and cannot... more... - Eric Logan from Bookmarklet
Sean McBride
G.O.P.’s Foreign Policy Hawks Wary of Paul’s Evolving Views - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/2014...
G.O.P.’s Foreign Policy Hawks Wary of Paul’s Evolving Views - NYTimes.com
"As Mr. Paul opens new doors to younger voters and others who have turned away from Republicans, few issues have proved more persuasive for the libertarian-minded senator than his wariness of centralized authority and his skepticism of military intervention. Yet those same positions have alarmed powerful elements of the Republican base who have undertaken a campaign to portray Mr. Paul as dangerously misguided." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"The reason the attacks are so personal and so hostile, Mr. Paul said, is that Republicans who favor more American involvement in the world fear that his view, not theirs, is gaining support. “The country is moving in my direction,” he said in an interview." - Sean McBride
"Mr. Paul bristles at an adjective often used to describe his foreign policy: isolationist. “Not only am I for being involved, I’m actually for more involvement than the neocons,” he said, referring to the branch of conservatism that supports an interventionist foreign policy. Continue reading the main story “The neocons are really neoisolationists,” he added, “in the sense that they... more... - Sean McBride
"Mr. Paul said he believes that war should be fought only when Congress authorizes it and that President Obama has overstepped his constitutional authority in using drones as a substitute for traditional military forces. Though Mr. Paul has been accused of having a weak policy of containment for dealing with Iran, he has insisted that his reluctance to publicly discuss the idea of a... more... - Sean McBride
The leading comments at the liberal **New York Times** are overwhelmingly pro-Rand Paul. We are witnessing a seismic shift in American politics. Neoconservatives still haven't grasped how much ill will they have stirred up against themselves among the American people. - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
'I Recant' Says Author of Infamous Seventies Newsweek 'Global Cooling' Article - http://www.breitbart.com/Breitba...
"The author of a much-quoted 1975 Newsweek article predicting catastrophic global cooling now says it was a big mistake and the earth was warming all along." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"While the hypotheses described in that original story seemed right at the time, climate scientists now know that they were seriously incomplete. Our climate is warming -- not cooling, as the original story suggested." - Sean McBride
""There's no serious dispute any more about whether the globe is warming, whether humans are responsible, and whether we will see large and dangerous changes in the future – in the words of the National Academy of Sciences – which we didn't know in the 1970s," said Michael Mann, a climatologist at Pennsylvania State University in University Park. He added that nearly every U.S. scientific society has assessed the evidence and come to the same conclusion." - Sean McBride
Eric Logan
Where Did '97 Percent' Global Warming Consensus Come From? - http://dailycaller.com/2014...
Where Did '97 Percent' Global Warming Consensus Come From?
"The University of Queensland in Australia is taking legal action to block the release of data used by one of its scientists to come up with the oft-quoted statistic that 97 percent of climate scientists agree that mankind is causing global warming." - Eric Logan from Bookmarklet
Why are so many of the global warming deniers who commented on this article so ignorant, abusive and infantile? That is the usual pattern in "debates" on this subject -- the deniers tend to be ranters. - Sean McBride
I don't usually read the comments to be honest. The few times I do a read a comment is when one is pointed out to me as being from a reputable source. MRW does that on ocassion. - Eric Logan
In debates on policy issues I look for the side on which the commenters are least abusive and most intelligent, civil, literate and well-informed. Excited ranters usually kill their cause right out of the box. - Sean McBride
At a certain point "debate" becomes a misnomer like debating if five or fifteen is bigger... Those is a holding action kept alive by a cowardly courtier press and the oligarchs who run our world. I do take comfort in the fact that rich guys ocean front property wild be first under water. Les so the fact that wars over clean drinkable water wild probably kill us long before the proverbial flood - WarLord
Sean your exhibiting bi polar symptoms again. The king of source watch now weights comments ? Really. You must have an awful lot of free time on your hands. - Eric Logan from FFHound!
Spoken in authentic global warming denial style -- that is exactly what I was referring to. - Sean McBride
Hey, Eric, out of curiosity, do you ever think about the tobacco-cancer denialists or the asbestos-disease denialists when you bring up the "lack of consensus"? Because to me, it seems like the three topics broadly share the same shape: there's a vested interest who manages to spend a lot of money muddying up science for decades, but in the end there really was a consensus and the vested interest turned out to be on the wrong side of science. - Andrew C (✔)
Yes I think about it all the time. Pretty sure cigarette smoking is carbon neutral not sure about asbestos. Did anybody besides me actually read the article? - Eric Logan from FFHound!
So far I have gleaned that the article is disproved by the quality of the comments and CO2 is scientifically similar to the cigarette manufacturers and asbestos lobby. Based on the comments attached to this thread using Sean's method I am left to assume the article must be accurate. - Eric Logan from FFHound!
I read it, but I wasn't actually convinced Legates and company read the piece they're criticizing since it did make mention of implicit vs explicit claims. As to the lede of the piece, I don't see how Schollenberger is remotely in the right here. - Andrew C (✔)
But y'know, you drift from the topic all the time. Hell, the Daily Caller piece did, going from a brief bit about Schollenberger to the actual criticism of the Cook paper, criticism which isn't new news; it's clear DC just used the Schollenberger news as pretext to re-bring up Legates. - Andrew C (✔)
So getting back to my question, I want to ask you: just what do you think about how there used to be "controversy" over asbestos and tobacco as dangerous, and do you think that denialism differs in any way from AGW denialism? - Andrew C (✔)
(I should also note that Cook addressed the large number of climate papers that did not mention AGW as evidence it was a settled position, not unlike how -- my analogy here -- the heliocentric nature of our solar system is not a position modern astronomical papers would have to take a position on.) - Andrew C (✔)
"I am left to assume the article must be accurate." - presumably you mean the Legates bit, not the Schollenberger bit. Well, consider this piece then: http://www.skepticalscience.com/97-perc... -- comment #3 directly addresses Legates' methodology and it seems /highly/ dubious. Thanks for playing! - Andrew C (✔)
The entire endangerment finding and the false consensus is highly dubious. This is a detailed report prepared 2 years prior to the EPA signing an Agreement (MOU) with the United Nations Environment program suggesting global warming from Green House Gas Emissions was a flawed and politically driven conclusion and that the EPA should not act and was misguided for not studying the issues... more... - Eric Logan
The NCEE who prepared that report is here BTW: So you see Andrew there is even significant disagreement among the policy wonks within the EPA on the endangerment finding at least among the ones who are actually tasked because of their technical expertise, so much for a 97% consensus. http://yosemite.epa.gov/ee... - Eric Logan
The only resemblance CAGW has to Tobacco and Asbestos is the hidden memos and evidence. The difference is the lobbyists in this case are for the most part big green. Of course they are also hedging their bets. http://www.thenation.com/article... - Eric Logan from FFHound!
If you think most lobbyists on this issue are "big green", you're in such a fantasy world it's impossible to talk with you. - Andrew C (✔)
Green Is the New Color of Lobbying Makers of Energy-Saving Products See Opportunities in Big Stimulus Bill. "Nearly 300 green companies and industry groups have signed up Washington lobbying firms seeking tax breaks, research grants, contracts and other government business during the current two-year session of Congress, according to disclosure forms reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. That is an eightfold increase from the previous session." http://online.wsj.com/news... - Eric Logan
"One of the green groups behind that protest was 350.org. The organization was built in part through multimillion-dollar donations from the Rockefeller Brothers Fund’s Sustainable Development program. Paralysis is a leading industry in Washington, said Mark Leibovich, the author of “This Town: Two Parties and a Funeral — Plus, Plenty of Valet Parking! — in America’s Gilded Capital.” http://350.org/ - Eric Logan
Yeah, but on the other side there's AEI, Heritage, the entire Kochtopus, ... - Andrew C (✔)
It would be dishonest as hell to count up the green lobbyists and not count the Big Oil lobbyists. - Andrew C (✔)
I realize there is significant investment from vested big oil interests, but the growth is in green. You're also probably right about wasting your time talking to me about it. I believed it all at one time. I thought gas would be 10 dollars a gallon by now. Unless I see temperatures actually rising sans adjustments I no longer listen to the sales pitch. Presidential decrees are coming to this sector we will see how that works out. I will be happy to read relevant new information though. - Eric Logan from FFHound!
Andrew. "It would be dishonest as hell to count up the green lobbyists and not count the Big Oil lobbyists." NEWSFLASH, Andrew. The Big Oil Lobbyists are the engine behind the Green Movement. Enron created the Kyoto Protocol after they made $20 billion in 1990 from cap-and-trade on sulphur dioxide (a hideous pollutant) and they fixed their eyes on CO2; they had to demonize it. Don't... more... - MRW_8
Andrew. (Contd.) "If you think most lobbyists on this issue are "big green", you're in such a fantasy world it's impossible to talk with you." An investment group representing $22 trillion showed up inn Qatar to divvy up the Green contracts. You're the one believing the fantasy. And I don't say that to insult you. there's no goddam way you could know. There's a complete US media... more... - MRW_8
Andrew. (More) Stan Meyer on TV: https://www.youtube.com/watch... Another guy, BTW, who didn't finish school. - MRW_8
Andrew. (more) http://waterpoweredcar.com/stanmey... Info on the water car. I think men in black stole his papers from the family house after he died. - MRW_8
Eric. You're into cars. Here's an explanation of meter's technology: https://www.youtube.com/watch... - MRW_8
Oh dear. Water is not a fuel. It's pre-combusted. To separate it back into combustible components of hydrogen and oxygen would require ... energy. Meyer "solved" this by violating the First Law of Thermodynamics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Andrew C (✔)
He did it with virtually no current. https://www.youtube.com/watch... Around 5:30 min. - MRW_8
What do you want me to call it? Water as gas? Water as what goes in a car to make it run? C'mon, Andrew. - MRW_8
I watched it but I still do not believe there exists any process to spend X amount of energy in electrolysis and get 3x back in combustible H2. - Andrew C (✔)
I would call it a hoax, basically. - Andrew C (✔)
Well, it wasn't a hoax. He presented his car at conferences. Scientists from Britain came over and checked it out. There was a video with a white four-door car that he converted, and drove around. When I talked to him, he wanted to wait until he got the smaller units before he did the conversion. But whatever, believe what you want. Stan Meyer was not a fake. - MRW_8
MRW. Meyer's claims seem a little outlandish. I used to work for a company that built hydrogen fuel cells although I wasn't in that division. I have read quite a bit on related topics like Tom Bearden's claims and Fleishman and Pon's cold fusion. I remain quite skeptical on those claims as well. http://www.genepax.com/ makes claims presently about an electrolysis car, seems doubtful to me. If they covered up his work they did a good job. - Eric Logan
Googling around on Stan Meyer: [# [Google; stan meyer water car *] 1. aneurysm 2. bad science 3. conspiracy theories 4. daily kos 5. fraud 6. free energy 7. gross and egregious fraud 8. hoax 9. murdered 10. ohio court 1996 11. perpetual motion 12. scam 13. suicided 14. wikipedia] Draw your own conclusions. - Sean McBride
Two rules to live by: 1. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. 2. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. - Sean McBride
"Lawsuit: In 1996, Meyer was sued by two investors to whom he had sold dealerships, offering the right to do business in Water Fuel Cell technology. His car was due to be examined by the expert witness Michael Laughton, Professor of Electrical Engineering at Queen Mary, University of London and Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering. However, Meyer made what Professor Laughton... more... - Sean McBride
Here is Meyer explaining how it works in the first 15 minutes of this conference presentation. I don't know how many patents he has. 30-40. He had to physically convince the patent office, actually go to DC to show how it worked before he got his patents on the water fuel injector. https://www.youtube.com/watch... Leonard Holihan, who at the time was the Director of the... more... - MRW_8
Your 1996 stuff comes from Wikipedia. I listened to an interview with his sister and niece (who had no clue what his inventions were) in 2013, and they and the interviewer said that there was someone writing stuff on on Wikipedia that was false. $25,000? He turned down $800 million from Libyan oil men, among many offers. The military wanted his tech. He was talking to the Pentagon. He... more... - MRW_8
If the Wikipedia information on that trial is false, you should formally challenge it and see what transpires. - Sean McBride
Eric. "If they covered up his work they did a good job." Some guy who featured a Meyer video said that he knew---wait I'll go look for it, see if I can find it---the story is head shaker. ;-) https://www.youtube.com/watch... FROM THE DESCRIPTION. "OMG!!! I have actually ridden in this Dune Buggy years ago. A school friend Larry had horses and we'd go ride all the time. He... more... - MRW_8
This is what I have learned from my study of the history of technology: authentic revolutionary technologies can't be suppressed. They tend to emerge independently around the world at the same time. If a technology is valid, people will be develop and exploit it in the real world. I don't take conspiracy theories in this domain seriously. - Sean McBride
I am not familiar with Meyer, but I am familiar with Tom Valone who edited Meyers book. Valone is mentioned by Nick Cook in his book the hunt for zero point. - Eric Logan
Well this is what #4 at Royal Dutch Shell told me: 'If we don't drill another drop or distribute another barrel of oil, we have enough money to make a profit for 300 years." Royal Dutch Shell has bought up every invention that could change mankind and make life better for decades. Then they park it on the shelf and that's the end of that. A lot of inventors sell thinking their invention will be developed by Shell. They buy it to bury it. - MRW_8
"I don't take conspiracy theories in this domain seriously. - Sean McBride" You wouldn't be able to recognize a conspiracy in this domain. These guys are champs, the most ruthless mofos going. And because energy/fuel is US National Security Item #1, they are invulnerable; they dictate to governments, not the other way around. - MRW_8
I'm actually surprised that you don't know about Meyer. I thought most people did who had a passing interest in the alternative energy issue. I mean, for me it's like saying you never heard of Joe Namath. I first heard about him in Manhattan, fercrissaake. I had [damn autocorrect!] a sports car parked there forever, and wanted to get it converted, so I pestered him. I thought it would be great to pull up to some guy watering the petunias and ask if I could borrow his water hose for a minute. - MRW_8
I looked into Meyer years ago, but had forgotten about him until you mentioned him. It is still my belief that governments and large corporations are unable to suppress the existence of revolutionary technologies for very long -- history says otherwise. They naturally rise to the surface and become visible. Consider the Manhattan Project. - Sean McBride
Big diff. The government wanted the Manhattan Project. The US government never ever wanted to develop our own oil after August 15, 1971. We wanted to use up everyone else's in order to DEPLETE world supply first so 'enemies' would not have fuel in the event of war. The US wanted oil to be a market. The US did not want Russia to have access to oil in the Middle East or Iran/Iraq, etc. We... more... - MRW_8
If this technology that Meyer discovered was valid, numerous other brilliant minds would have independently discovered it and provided legitimate demos of it the world -- especially in the age of the Internet and Youtube. - Sean McBride
They have. There's a guy in the Philipines and another in the Ukraine. And max Miller is building parts of Stan's inventions irondmax,com. I keep telling you, everyone who invents similar things gets bought up by the Royal Dutch Shell. They pay billions to buy them up and shelve them. Mr. #4 at RDS (Netherlands) told me they have hundreds of inventions sitting on the shelf that will never see the light of day, but they own the patents for the next 500 years. - MRW_8
All Meyer did was use Tesla's stuff. - MRW_8
There is not a single inventor in this realm who has refused to sell his or her work to Royal Dutch Shell? I find that difficult to believe. - Sean McBride
Tesla I respect -- I've heard that Larry Page of Google is also a big fan of Tesla. But I need to see concrete proof that the specific technologies you have mentioned are real. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. - Sean McBride
That or they are offed. Shell uses all kinds of subterfuge, btw, to buy. If you were an inventor in your garage and someone offered you close to a billion, would you take it in lieu of royalties? - MRW_8
Then go listen to Meyer explain it himself. This is an hour long talk but listen to the first 15 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch... - MRW_8
Look at how many Internet innovators have refused to sell out -- it happens all the time. No government or corporation can suppress a powerful new scientific or technological idea that is in the air and ripe to manifest itself. These things are forces of nature. They roll over everything. - Sean McBride
Oh, BTW, he's a big Jesus freak. His sister and niece said that was why they couldn't take him seriously while he was working on his invention. lol. He's always talking about Jesus giving him the answer. - MRW_8
"These things are forces of nature." Oh yeah? they buried Wong and Yang's invention that they got the instant Nobel for in 1957 or 56. Wiped out from all electrical engineering books. - MRW_8
If we'd listened to Yang and Wong, we wouldn't be using fossil fuels today. Free energy. For that matter, look what they did to Tesla. He was a crackpot until the last 20 years. And JP Morgan screwed him. The government swooped in when he died and took all his papers and hid the technology. - MRW_8
Patents are good for 22 years with a one time extension. - Andrew C (✔) from Android
Yang and Lee won a Nobel Prize in physics in 1957 for experimentally demonstrating the non-conservation of parity in weak nuclear reactions. Not sure I see how that leads to free energy. - Andrew C (✔)
Yeah, Yang and Lee. Sorry. I'm always doing that because of Wu, the scientist that did their proof. Tom Bearden describes it at cheniere.org. Here: http://www.cheniere.org/referen... AND http://www.cheniere.org/referen... AND http://www.cheniere.org/article... - MRW_8
Bearden also pops up in the Wikipedia page on perpetual motion machines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Andrew C (✔)
"Bearden also pops up in the Wikipedia page on perpetual motion machines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Andrew C (✔)" So? - MRW_8
Off topic, but one of the best books I have ever read on this type of research "Although anti-gravity research ranks right up there with perpetual motion on the crank-o-meter, the idea of anti-gravity can’t be completely dismissed. As recently as 1996 a Finnish scientist announced he could partially “shield” objects from gravity using spinning superconductors. Although most scientists... more... - Eric Logan from FFHound!
I own Tom Bearden's book also. Way to dense to be an enjoyable read for me anyway. - Eric Logan from FFHound!
My own personal interest in Bearden's work was because he was the director of AIAS and was involved in the D.O.E's future car program. Of course you need the way back machine to find that now. https://web.archive.org/web... and https://web.archive.org/web... - Eric Logan
My next-door neighbor's drunk wife spilled the beans that her retired husband worked on the anti-gravity plane at Area 51. He worked for Raytheon. - MRW_8
Thanks for the web.archive links. I've bought nearly all of Bearden's DVDs. I listen to them hoping some of the ideas will sink in. Mostly just to familiarize myself with terms that hit my brain like an ice cream cone on the cement. - MRW_8
You should read about Klimov on Bearden's site. He actually has working devices. The Russians are soooooooo far ahead of us, it's amazing. It was the Clinton admin that killed that research here; not killed 100%, but drastically reduced funding. That was when I became aware of the Israel-centric direction of federal policy and efforts. It was the influence of Rahm Emanuel, and that has... more... - MRW_8
Secret anti-gravity technologies -- my mind is open to the possibility that they have been in development for some time. Information about that project keeps leaking out around the edges. - Sean McBride
It was Emanuel who pushed and pushed and pushed (via op-eds in the WSJ for a year) to get China into the WTO so that Israel, which has had a free trade agreement with the US since 1985, could piggyback on its free trade agreement with us to penetrate the Chinese market. No regard for the effect on US jobs. No protections either. Sucked the blood out of the middle class here, and our... more... - MRW_8
My neighbor worked on the anti-gravity Aurora plane, according to his wife, and it was flying by the time he retired in 1989 or something. - MRW_8
I don't discount that claim at all. - Sean McBride
Eric: About that Salon article on zero gravity. I am one of those unusual people who throughout life has been at the right place at the right time to witness little tiny things that provide the glue to the big pieces. Don't ask me why. Just am. It isn't anything I have ever created or done. Just happened to me. I have been friends with General Twining's son for over 25 years although I... more... - MRW_8
Cook wrote that book in 2002 he used to be the aviation editor at Janes Defense Weekly. Government subscriptions where 80,000 a year back then. He said we had gravity resistant contraptions already built into the wings of the B2 bomber. He was in a position to know. A current version of their civilian report on all the worlds aircraft sells for 3195.00 dollars. - Eric Logan from FFHound!
I love Jane's Defense Weekly. Whenever i see their articles quoted in some depth, I keep copies because I know I will never see them again. - MRW_8
I worked for a civilian subsidiary of the company that built this for TARDEC twice during my twenty year career. Once from 1998 till 2001 and again from 2003 till 2005. I moved to Rancho Cordova, Ca. in 2001 with the wild eyed promise of involvement with the Hydrogen Hwy. dumbest career move in my life. Though I did love Ca. The Quantum Aggressor A New Hybrid. http://www.hybrid-vehicle.org/quantum... Alternative Mobility Vehicle. - Eric Logan from FFHound!
"But speed isn't really what the Aggressor is about - Stealth is the name of the game. The vehicle has a "virtually silent operating mode with reduced thermal signature," making it harder to spot the car." Radiative physics is my latest interest, which is what this machine is using, no? If you don't understand radiative physics or infrared astronomy, or even know the basics of it, all... more... - MRW_8
Just ordered zero point book on your say so. Also a couple of Valone's books. - MRW_8
Eric. BTW, if you want to read an interesting book, read The Day After Roswell by Philip Corso. Since it came out, it has been discredited slowly, and particularly by another military writer. [From what I now know, this guy was either put up to it, or someone planned to have him perceive it that way.] I can tell you that Nathan Twining Jr. traveled through New Mexico with Corso and... more... - MRW_8
I studied all of that extensively too in my youth. My conclusion is that almost all of the UFO stuff is a disinformation campaign to see who is interested, who saw what etc. about classified research. MUFON all of it. I suspect Bearden may be up to something similar as far as a honey trap with the Chiniere site and disinformation. If he really is on to something as a result of any D.O.E work its gone dark. - Eric Logan from FFHound!
During the church committee hearings the government admitted to a 250 million dollar budget per year for domestic and foreign propaganda campaigns. Look up Rome Daily American. Operation Mockingbird. etc. - Eric Logan from FFHound!
Bearden has been involved in all kinds of strange research projects BTW the future transportion with the D.O.E was only one of the recent ones. - Eric Logan
I've read the Corso book -- not sure what to make of it. - Sean McBride
One story out there: the US government developed disinformation to label true stories about UFOs and ETs as disinformation. It can become convoluted and recursive. - Sean McBride
# Who knows about the true state of current top secret technology projects? Probably: 1. CIA (John Brennan) 2. DARPA (Arati Prabhakar) 3. Defense Science Board (Paul Kaminski) 4. DIA (Michael Flynn) 5. JCS (Martin Dempsey) 6. Lockheed Martin (Marillyn Hewson) 7. NSA (Michael Rogers) 8. ONI (?) 9. Raytheon (William Swanson) - Sean McBride
Eric. Well, the reason why I thought you might find the book interesting was NOT any UFO stuff. That was just an intro story he told about why he was trusted by General Ramey when he was working for him later, IIRC. It was the tech stuff, and how it made it's way into US markets. - MRW_8
MRW -- I also have some stories that would knock your socks off, big time -- but I wouldn't dare to discuss them or name any names. - Sean McBride
"not sure what to make of it." Made infinite sense to me, but then I knew about a lot of it from Nathan nine years before. Nathan was a concert pianist and real estate guy. He was badly shaken by what the General told him. All he had ever known were rumors, and he refused to talk to anyone who asked him about his father. His line was Please contact the Public relations dept of the... more... - MRW_8
Sean. It's not a wise move. I've already written too much. - MRW_8
MRW -- I believe you. And I suspect that the Corso book might be substantially true -- but I don't know for sure. - Sean McBride
I was thinking that as I read your comments. One can get into serious trouble. - Sean McBride
The thing is that what Corso wrote is no big whoop. I worked for Bell Labs. I know he's telling the truth about that part. EDIT: Not because it's common knowledge at Bell Labs. it isn't. I was given inside info by a really close friend there who DID KNOW. Late night, cigars, and scotch, people talk. - MRW_8
I've had confirmation from reliable sources about parts of Corso's story. I won't say which parts. - Sean McBride
Corso was a straight arrow, and sane. But this entire area can become very murky -- layers of deception within layers of deception within layers of deception.... These people are pros at psychological warfare and manipulation -- the very best. - Sean McBride
That's what Nathan said about him. Said he was solid as a rock. Very military. Loyal to the command and country, that kind of stuff. But there are some military writers who are out right now to paint him as a liar and a fake. Don't forget as I wrote above, General X's job was to create disinfo stories for Genera Twining. There's apparently some law that requires the military and the... more... - MRW_8
How you can tell is: if it's covering a breaking story, or story that is getting a lot of coverage in the news. The Weekly World doesn't cover breaking or sensational stories at another time. They get all their copy off what is known as the "C Wire" from UPI and Reuters, all the totally off-the-wall stories that involve outrageous events, and have no real news value. EDIT: the theory is... more... - MRW_8
Keep in mind that the intel community keeps under contract a stable of first class fiction writers to spin a wide variety of conspiracy tales that can be used off-the-shelf when the occasion or need arises. - Sean McBride
Thanks Sean. That's the most succinct description of the IPCC I have read in a long time. ;) - Eric Logan
Andrew C (✔)
"The really striking thing about the debate so far is that the right seems unable to mount any kind of substantive counterattack to Mr. Piketty's thesis. Instead, the response has been all about name-calling -- in particular, claims that Mr. Piketty is a Marxist, and so is anyone who considers inequality of income and wealth an important issue." - Andrew C (✔) from Bookmarklet
"Mr. Piketty is hardly the first economist to point out that we are experiencing a sharp rise in inequality, [...] No, what's really new about "Capital" is the way it demolishes that most cherished of conservative myths, the insistence that we're living in a meritocracy in which great wealth is earned and deserved. [...] But how do you make that [conservative] defense if the rich derive... more... - Andrew C (✔)
"Still, it has been amazing to watch conservatives, one after another, denounce Mr. Piketty as a Marxist. Even Mr. Pethokoukis, who is more sophisticated than the rest, calls "Capital" a work of "soft Marxism," which only makes sense if the mere mention of unequal wealth makes you a Marxist. (And maybe that's how they see it: recently former Senator Rick Santorum denounced the term "middle class" as "Marxism talk," because, you see, we don't have classes in America.)" - Andrew C (✔)
My favorite conservative "review": "I apologize in advance, because I am going to talk about a book that I have not yet read. To be clear, I intend to read Thomas Piketty’s "Capital in the Twenty-First Century." It is sitting on my (virtual) bedside with a big stack of other (digital) books that I intend to read. But it’s far down in the queue, and I’m afraid that I can’t wait to weigh... more... - Eivind
I imagine McArdle and the book would be like a fish with a bicycle. She's always happy to ignore facts, and a big draw of Piketty's book is how many facts he's marshalled behind his arguments. - Andrew C (✔)
We'll see. She'll get to it eventually. Maybe she'll do a post game review then. - Eivind
William Fine
State works to overhaul energy policies (Albuquerque Journal) http://www.abqjournal.com/398440...
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Sean McBride
Hillary, Bernanke speaking fees: millions in corporate gigs for former officeholders. - http://www.slate.com/blogs...
Hillary, Bernanke speaking fees: millions in corporate gigs for former officeholders.
"Since leaving State, Clinton has made more than 90 speeches and notable appearances. Her hosts have included private equity firms, investment banks, nonprofit galas, trade association conventions, and a slew of colleges and universities. At least two-dozen of those were paid speeches. With her usual fee of $200,000 a speech, Clinton has banked close to $5 million for her speeches and appearances in the last 15 months." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"Clinton has been paid by, among others, Goldman Sachs, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, and the Carlyle Group—major institutions she would deal with if, as she hopes, she becomes president in 2016—while, according to the Times, Bernanke's comments at private events sometimes influence the decisions of investors who believe that his statements also reflect the views of current Fed chair Janet Yellen." - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Populist Liz Warren could threaten Clinton presidential run | canada.com - http://o.canada.com/news...
Populist Liz Warren could threaten Clinton presidential run | canada.com
"Warren, 64, has a Norman Rockwell, rags-to-riches story that resonates with most Americans. She was born into a poor Oklahoma family with American Indian roots. She put herself through university with the help of government aid, became a Harvard law professor with a specialty in bankruptcy law before winning her Senate seat in 2013 in a surprise win over a popular Republican front-runner. In many ways, Warren, with her silky short blond hair, ever-present smile, baby-fresh face and rimless glasses, is the walking version of Hillary Clinton’s “smart power” approach to diplomacy. She speaks softly but carries a big stick. An unabashed liberal populist, Warren has spent years fighting America’s most powerful commercial sector, the big banks and what she claims is their predatory strategies to squeeze the poor and middle class of what little wealth they have." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
Warren/Sanders vs. Paul/Carson would be an interesting matchup. All the other candidates are boring establishment hacks or seriously crazy (like Cruz). - Sean McBride
Biden/Warren or Biden/Saunders with Sen. Warren campaigning. Biden wild be beneficiary when Clinton drops out and Right Wing Oppo research wili go absolutely Batshit because they been so focused on Hilary. Biden will ride the Dubya likable horse right into White House - WarLord
WarLord -- that's a plausible scenario. One problem with Biden, however -- he is establishment to the core, not a fresh face or voice. The American middle class is becoming increasingly restless and angry regarding the status quo. It is hungry for a bit of revolution and an upending of the establishment. Those sentiments did in Clinton in 2008 and brought Obama to power. Obama has been quite a disappointment -- not nearly subversive enough. - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Rand Paul’s Getting a Lot of Votes in a Very Interesting Poll | TheBlaze.com - http://www.theblaze.com/stories...
Rand Paul’s Getting a Lot of Votes in a Very Interesting Poll | TheBlaze.com
"The first Republican presidential primary is more than a year and a half away, but Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is already winning the votes of campaign managers for GOP congressional candidates across the country. That’s based on an informal Politico survey of more than 25 GOP campaign managers to get a sense of which national figures down-ticket candidates want stumping on their behalf." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"“Rand Paul has a lot of grassroots energy he’s tapping into, the youth and kind of libertarian movement that other candidates just really haven’t grabbed a hold of yet, so that makes him kind of a unique, different choice that could inject some energy into the campaign,” a campaign consultant in a New Hampshire House race told Politico, remaining nameless to avoid alienating other national figures. A campaign manager for one Republican incumbent said Paul was their top pick, “without a doubt.”" - Sean McBride
Paul is the only GOP candidate at this point with any buzz -- all the others are dead in the water. - Sean McBride
Marco Rubio!! -- seriously? A lump. Ted Cruz looks crazy as hell. Jeb Bush? -- just what Americans are clamoring for -- another Bush in the White House after the disastrous Bush/Cheney era. - Sean McBride
Who were the early Republican leaders in 2006 and 2010 and if they weren't McCain or Romney, why didn't they take the nomination? (Bonus question, which I actually don't know the answer to: in the last 40 years or so, which President actually led from two years out all the way to taking the Presidency?) - Andrew C (✔)
"in the last 40 years or so, which President actually led from two years out all the way to taking the Presidency?" -- that is a really good question. I am going to try to find out. - Sean McBride
Reagan? He was the clear leader after nearly toppling Ford in the Republican primaries of 1976. The Republican establishment wasn't for Reagan; they tried to get George H. W. Bush nominated, someone that regular/ordinary people had never heard of in 1980. Bush was sort of a "Jon Huntsman" type in 1980; remember how much of the media was gaga for Huntsman in early 2012? But Reagan... more... - Berthe
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An example of why Matt Drudge is full of it ... This isn't a shocking number for a country of 313+Million, it represents less then 3% of the population on any form of Disability
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Eric Logan
Data Pirates of the Caribbean: The NSA Is Recording Every Cell Phone Call in the Bahamas - The Intercept - https://firstlook.org/theinte...
Data Pirates of the Caribbean: The NSA Is Recording Every Cell Phone Call in the Bahamas - The Intercept
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In March, The Washington Post revealed that the NSA had developed the capability to record and store an entire nation’s phone traffic for 30 days. The Post reported that the capacity was a feature of MYSTIC, which it described as a “voice interception program” that is fully operational in one country and proposed for activation in six others. (The Post also referred to NSA documents suggesting that MYSTIC was pulling metadata in some of those countries.) Citing government requests, the paper declined to name any of those countries. The Intercept has confirmed that as of 2013, the NSA was actively using MYSTIC to gather cell-phone metadata in five countries, and was intercepting voice data in two of them. Documents show that the NSA has been generating intelligence reports from MYSTIC surveillance in the Bahamas, Mexico, Kenya, the Philippines, and one other country, which The Intercept is not naming in response to specific, credible concerns that doing so could lead to increased violence. The more expansive full-take recording capability has been deployed in both the Bahamas and the unnamed country. - Eric Logan from Bookmarklet
WarLord
#scandalfatigue You wonder if Karl "turd blossom" Rove is in the pay of the DNC. Between Brain Damage and Benghazi - the Right is pretty much inoculating Hilary from any future scandal. Next up of course the Republicans return Monica Lewinsky to the spotlight and completely lock up the sympathy of every women voter for Hilary #beghaziwhitewater
Benghazi is in fact a serious scandal -- somewhere in importance between Bridgegate and Iran-Contra. I laugh when I see Democrats try to blow it off -- they don't know what they are talking about. - Sean McBride
This is strange: months before Karl Rove suggested that Hillary may be brain-damaged, I suggested the same thing to several of my friends -- her speech and general demeanor seemed off to me to such a degree that I commented on it. Now, I don't know whether she has or hasn't suffered some mental impairment -- but Bill Clinton himself revealed that her medical situation was much more serious than had been officially reported. - Sean McBride
The irony concerning Benghazi: Republicans can't honestly investigate it without damaging themselves and the CIA -- this is a bipartisan scandal. But Hillary Clinton bears the primary responsibility for the deaths of Christopher Stevens and his fellow Americans. And it is clear that the Obama administration has been lying about its initial response to the event. - Sean McBride
Eric Logan
How the U.S. Gov’t Turned Silicon Valley Into a Surveillance Partner. - http://www.pbs.org/wgbh...
The NSL that Merrill received at his small web-hosting firm, Calyx, was one of 56,507 sent in 2004, according to figures from the Justice Department. The letter, embedded below, instructed Merrill that he was to “personally” deliver the records requested of him. It asked for a client’s name, addresses, “electronic communication transactional records” and “all e-mail header information.” Due to security concerns, the order read, “you should neither send the records through the mail nor disclose the substance of this request in any telephone conversation.” “I was terrified to talk to anyone about it,” Merrill said in the above excerpt from Part Two of the FRONTLINE investigation, United States of Secrets. “I didn’t call any of my colleagues. I didn’t speak to anyone about it.” Merrill was not even sure he could discuss the letter with his attorney, but unconvinced the order was legal, he chose to challenge it on constitutional grounds. - Eric Logan from Bookmarklet
Sean McBride
Rand Paul: We Need Term Limits for Congress… Immediately - http://conservativeread.com/rand-pa...
Rand Paul: We Need Term Limits for Congress… Immediately
"During the time of the founding of our country, there was a general dislike of career politicians, much like today. The framers of our Constitution envisioned citizens serving the country temporarily as politicians, and then returning to their normal lives as businessmen, doctors, lawyers, military men, farmers, bankers, etc. Although it was discussed at the time, nothing about term limits was written into the Constitution or amended to it later." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"It appears now that term limits for members of Congress needs to be discussed again. It took a President abusing the office, turning the Presidency into a career by serving into a fourth term, for Congress to pass an amendment limiting the President to only two terms. How many career Congressmen shall we allow to abuse their office by serving numerous consecutive terms before we limit them as well?" - Sean McBride
Which Democrats are lobbying for term limits? - Sean McBride
I am amused by term limits - Republicans hated Roosevelt with a blue passion, so we got term limits and the irony of St Ronny likely President for life without them is hilarious... Of course Big Dog Clinton would stilt be President in their absence as well... But we have term limits, they exist today. They are called elections and we limit the terms of unpopular poles in each - WarLord
I think the lack of term limits has played a major role in destroying our political system. - Sean McBride
And what of experience and gravitas, is politics always the task of the person with no knowledge of how things work? In no other trade would you ask for the newest least experienced to do a task important to you. Newly graduated surgeon? Recently bar exam lawyer? But legislator, yep lets get a brand new dumb one to run the country. Term limits are a solution looking for a problem to solve by being a bigger problem - WarLord
WarLord -- career politicians more often than not acquire skills in manipulating the system to acquire personal wealth at the expense of the public interest -- the Clintons are a perfect example. - Sean McBride
Thomas Jefferson: "The ordinary affairs of a nation offer little difficulty to a person of any experience." - Sean McBride
I would have said Cheney and his invasion of Iraq to enrich Halliburton but that's less about term limits and more about a credulous press and utterly sheep like voters and really that's what term limits are about but it's hard to cure oligarchy without curing inequality and inherited wealth - WarLord
Career pols, IMO, are a lesser evil than losing expertise. I can see the point of term limits for executives, but for legislators? Like WarLord said, it causes more problems than it solves. - Andrew C (✔)
"The ordinary affairs of a nation offer little difficulty to a person of any experience." -- yeah, and back in those times medicine was simpler too. - Andrew C (✔)
But most of all, Paul's statement "abuse their office by serving numerous consecutive terms " is vapid. If there's abuse beyond merely "staying longer than Rand Paul deems appropriate", point it out. But he seems to think that extended stays are themselves abusive. - Andrew C (✔)
So Ron Paul was Texas Congressman from 1976 until 2013... What a horrible abuse of office but I'm guessing Rand don't mean Daddy.... Right? Of course not! - WarLord
What "expertise" did Republican and Democratic politicians demonstrate in pushing Americans into the Iraq War (at a cost of several trillion dollars) or enabling the financial crash of 2008 or creating the conditions for a massive transfer of wealth from the broad middle class to a few hundred billionaires or cooperating with the construction of a total surveillance state? By all means,... more... - Sean McBride
Interesting debate on the topic here, on TED conversations: [Should term limits be imposed on Congress? http://www.ted.com/convers...] - Sean McBride
Sean - I would suggest that idiots like the Tea Party freshmen led to the insanely stupid debt ceiling fight, so maybe let's not denigrate expertise so much. - Andrew C (✔)
And what exactly have the experienced politicians in Congress succeeded in accomplishing over the last few decades? Why are they so intensely reviled by the American people? - Sean McBride
reviled? A political trick by one party of false equivalence and phony centrism - the right aided by the royal stenographers of DC press build a case that "they are all the same" in order to cheapen your vote which causes you not to care about voting by the same token "term limits" if they are all the same interchangeable and corrupt term limits are good - of course that means that... more... - WarLord
"reviled" -- check out how the job approval rating for Congress (*both* parties) has been trending in recent years. I still haven't seen any explanation for why "experience" didn't prevent most American career politicians from supporting or enabling the Iraq War, the financial crash of 2008, the development of a total mass surveillance state, record wealth inequality, the collapse of... more... - Sean McBride
People are mad at Congress partly because you always gotta hate the boss. For another, what would the government look like with term limits? Are you gonna term limit the bureaucrats and workers who actually make the government work too? Just how much experience should, say, an Army general have? Or head of CDC? Did Jefferson also endorse term limits for SCOTUS? - Andrew C (✔)
Googling into the term limits debate: - Sean McBride
# [Google; term limits *] 1. advantages 2. arguments 3. arguments against 4. arguments for 5. bad 6. books 7. career politicians 8. cato institute 9. congress 10. cons 11. corruption 12. debate 13. disadvantages 14. discussion 15. doug bandow 16. good 17. history 18. issues 19. jon huntsman 20. lobbyists 21. polls 22. pros 23. pros and cons 24. quotes 25. rand paul 26. reasons 27.... more... - Sean McBride
Oddly enough some of the most "reviled" issues are those that each politicians voters wanted post 9 11: Iraq War, Drones, Surveillance then Gridlock. Oppose anything the black guy from Kenya wanted? Yep that tooo - WarLord
I feel like if you want to fight corruption, fight corruption. The private sector doesn't term limit its leaders, it just removes them /when necessary/. Not on an arbitrary schedule. - Andrew C (✔)
No -- I don't think we should apply term limits for government jobs which require advanced technical expertise on specialized topics. Politicians are operating on a different level -- they are generalists who require common sense, good judgment, a high degree of literacy, etc. -- they need to be big picture people with the ability to connect all the dots. - Sean McBride
Sure the system is broken BUT propose something that removes the Oligarch, The Wall Street parsite from ruling the political class and negating the entire voting of the middle and lower classes.... Term limits is not that solution - WarLord
Logically it would make more sense to term limit the directors of a department then any congressional committee that oversees it ie SEE Pentagon - WarLord
Term limits might help open the door for fresh voices to challenge the oligarchs. Elizabeth Warren is attempting to do that to an extent. The longer one serves in the Congress, the more one is coopted by the oligarchs. - Sean McBride
Hubert Humphrey never quit fighting I doubt Warren will change if she has 100 terms in Senate except she WILL get smarter on how to make her ideas into actual laws - WarLord
I didn't know much about the term limits debate when this discussion began, but I know quite a bit more now. There is a great deal of pro-term limit sentiment in the nation, it seems to be growing, and it is coming from all across the political spectrum -- from Republicans, Democrats and Independents (search for "term limits" on Google News). I find the arguments for term limits to be... more... - Sean McBride
Don't make the mistake of assuming that support for term limits is restricted to Rand Paul libertarians -- this is not the case. There are sound progressive arguments in favor of term limits. - Sean McBride
Much of the current congressional leadership imagines itself to be royalty, a permanent monarchical institution beholden only to billionaires, not to the American people. That needs to change. - Sean McBride
WarLord: regarding Benghazi -- any thoughts on this article? [From Benghazi to Boko Haram (Counterpunch) http://www.counterpunch.org/2014...] - Sean McBride
I believe that many if not most Americans feel that their participation is futile. The dominance of "gay marriage" is the epitome of oligarchy/plutocracy/elites ruling over the rest of us and making a joke of democracy. They've used the most elite, least democratically accountable part of government: courts and judges, along with enormous amounts of money from the super rich. - Berthe
(from the Counterpunch piece) "I am more interested in curbing the right-ward militarist trajectory of U.S. policy." -- A right-wing witch hunt spearheaded by Darrel Issa is definitely going to get right on curbing the right-ward militarist trajectory of U.S. policy, so it sounds like you guys are absolutely on the right track and totally haven't thrown in with people who don't have any of your shared interests at heart. Plus, all the previous inquiries into Benghazi have done so much already for this goal. - Andrew C (✔)
The fact that the same Congressional Republicans demanding yet another Benghazi investigation also voted -- in 2013! -- against better funding for embassy security ought to tell you just how serious they are about their stated goal (making embassies safer) vs their real goal (a political witch hunt). - Andrew C (✔)
Hey, if you want to get on the Benghazi train, just consider: you think you're using them, but how are you going to use this to effect your ends, vs how are they going to use this to effect theirs? - Andrew C (✔)
Correct me if I'm wrong but do we know where Obama was and what he was doing during the 4 or 7 hours that the attack(s) in Benghazi were taking place? Ditto for Hillary Clinton. Remember, everyone was so anxious to tell us what a brave decision it was on Obama's part to do the (bogus) bin Laden death raid. They released a photo of Obama, Clinton et al when they were watching the bin... more... - Berthe
Andrew -- smart progressives are playing political chess, not checkers. They realize that they might be able to use Republicans to knock Hillary Clinton (who is a crude and cruddy neoconservative) out of the race and open the door to some fresh faces and voices, like Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders. Do you play chess or checkers? - Sean McBride
The real issue with Benghazi was that Hillary Clinton was using radical Islamists in Libya to run a covert and illegal neocon war against Syria, and the op blew up in her face. It's rather a large scandal -- certainly much more important than Bridgegate. She needs to provide answers about this failed policy, which raises serious questions about her values, agenda, judgment and competence. - Sean McBride
Your "chess" plan is dumb as hell IMO. Benghazi will cool down after the 2014 elections are over. It might heat up again later, but that won't be enough to push Hillary out and in the meantime it'll be a giant distraction. You're jumping into the Republicans' game of Fifty Two Pickup and convincing yourself it's chess. - Andrew C (✔)
Andrew -- what do you think Christopher Stevens was doing in Libya? Here is a starting point: [Google; christopher stevens libya syria weapons http://www.google.com/#q=chri...] And I take it you are betting on Hillary Clinton winning the nomination and the election in 2016? Is she your candidate? - Sean McBride
Nah, I'd be happy with probably any Dem candidate in 2016. (Crosses fingers this won't backfire on me.) - Andrew C (✔)
I think an Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders ticket would be interesting. Anything could happen between now and 2016. I do think that Hillary is going to encounter much more trouble than she realizes if she chooses to run, especially from many influential voices within her own party -- and it is doubtful that she possesses the energy and stamina to deal with it. She looks more vulnerable to hard attacks now than she did in 2008, when the air quickly leaked from her tires. - Sean McBride
I think Americans are currently in the mood to reject *all* establishment politicians from both parties. None of them have any juice. - Sean McBride
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