“http://www.readwriteweb.com/ar... says that Bloglines is more popular that Googler Reader. I'm curious--do you use Bloglines, Google Reader, or Something Else?”
I almost wrote that bloglines is mostly a forgotten product, but then I did some research and came across the data from Hitwise that proved me wrong - personally, I use Feeddemon and GReader - Frederic
Frederic, it's more likely Hitwise is wrong. - Louis Gray
hitwise may have undercounted. see ionut's comment in the article. Reader's url is www.google.com/reader and not reader.google.com. reader.google.com simply redirects to www.google.com/reader. A different data point - searches for google reader outnumber bloglines - try google insight or google trends. - Atul Arora
I have never heard of anyone using anything but GReader until David just said he uses Bloglines... - Rahsheen(isSoAwesome)
We recently did a research around this and had a very hard time finding bloglines users but looking at the compete data, they seem to have 500K month visitors and I have been hearing them having about 50-100K unique visitors per day. - Edwin Khodabakchian
@louis and @atul I had the same concern, but in the comments, Hitwise points out that they did look at the right URL - GReader clearly has the momentum, but let's not forget that bloglines has been around for a lot longer and still has a lot of loyal users (even if they are not in FF :) - Frederic
Used Google Reader, then Bloglines. Now not really using either due to FF. - Wade Dorrell
None. Have switched to FF...maybe I am hooked by the customer delight angle. Maybe it is the fact that it lulls me into thinking I have discovered and stumbled and discovered something new. - kamla bhatt
"It all starts with just one. We mac user use to brag about Our non virus infected Macs but now Its going to be a recommendation to install a virus protection software and then there starts the new virus wars. not only would it effect windows but both at the same time.
Question is it possible to over load the internet?" - Uway
Recent news in the pro blogger world hasn't been great for the rank and file writers. AOL has very publicly reduced pay for its authors. Profy has seen significant change due to pay changes. And others are worrying about getting ads, or getting click-throughs. As there are many opinions here, why not share what your opinions are on blogger compensation? - Louis Gray
(Caveat) I personally am not blogging for money, but instead for a hobby. I do have a full-time job that's not related to my blogging activity. I don't have ads, and as a consumer, I don't believe I view ads often, let alone click through. I am hoping others with very different viewpoints than mine can say what they think about how bloggers both "should" be compensated, or "are" being compensated. Looking for comments from Steven Hodson, Mark Hopkins, Duncan Riley, Cyndy Aleo-Carreira, Allen Stern and all. - Louis Gray
What is it that you do exactly, Louis? You're not Batman, are you? - Andrew Feinberg
Blogging is nothing new. In my culture, we used to have people traveling arround villages to tell stories to people and they were given some nickels and some food. They weren't rich, and didn't dream of being rich. What was important for them was the freedom to travel and speak. This tradition which is actually verry old got new tools today. That's it. If, IMHO, if you want money create products. - directeur via NoiseRiver
@directeur, that opinion, which I've voiced before, is unpopular. One comment was that starting a blog, and then expecting ad revenue, is like mowing somebody's lawn and then knocking on the door to ask for money. But does writing and reporting have value? Do bloggers deserve to get paid? - Louis Gray
For me, blogging is a hobby, but I can't say that it hasn't helped my career at all...I think it certainly has. Ads really have nothing to do with that, though. - Eric Florenzano
Louis, you don't have ads, how do you pay yer bills? - gregory
@Louis: If information is worth paying for, than it's a product. If not, I for one really won't care and won't give a cent. People often talk about marketing as if it was only about who aqcuires who, googles, nasdaq, Yahoo... That's not marketing. THE one and very simple rule for marketing and money is: Create a product that satisfies a need. You can't create a need. You just create a product. And the way you make a product worth paying for is marketing. Do all bloggers create real products? I don't think so. - directeur via NoiseRiver
@gregory, see my note above via LinkedIn. The day job isn't free. As for bills on Web hosting or anything, in the long run it's pretty minor. - Louis Gray
HOW IN THE HELL do you do all that blogging with a non-related full-time gig? Henry Copeland at Blogads is the only one I've wanted to do business with because he's clued. I hope he can continue to grow the network. I sure don't make enough to live on, but i've paid a few months worth of car payments. As Doc Searls says, it's the 'because effect' - "6. We will make money by maximizing "because effects". "Because effects" are what happen when you make more money because of something than with it." - jeneane is in the house
I've been thinking about this for a long time. I don't blog for a living, it's an extension of me as a writer, director and info gathering explorer. I do believe though that as a service, if people enjoy it and want to encourage, then there should be an efficient way to monetize. Together we have the ability to create a network of services that are ad based supported to fit our needs. We no longer have to let others serve random ads to our readers. - Nice Fish Films
@louis, corporate marketing? is that branding services? I hear you on costs, I eat $50 a month to keep my blog and a few other friend sites alive... glad I love this stuff (as is obvious doing this on a friday) - gregory
@louis As Clint Eastwood said in Unforgiven, "deserves got nothing to do with it" but there is nothing wrong with trying to generate money from it if you can.... - Brad Collins via twhirl
There is room for hobby bloggers and for paid professional writers. The key is not to talk down to each other about what amounts to a personal choice. I am fortunate to be able to make money doing something I love so much. - Leslie Poston
gotta admit, I am amazed that you dont do this to pay the bills ,but yet, you are still an 'a-list' blogger -- amazing! - gregory
Louis - As you and I have discussed in the past, I also do not monetize for my own reasons. Glad to see you split this thread off for discussion. I too have been chatting the past four weeks with successful and outright frustrated bloggers that are trying to monetize. I am going to bookmark this and return after (hopefully) a few of them chime in. There are, unfortunately, a few snake oil salesmen out there that make it look all too easy. - Charlie Anzman
Professional bloggers should absolutely get paid a fare wage. What's considered fair pay? How is the pay structure determined, per story, per week, flat rate? I think the only way bloggers will be able to make a career out of this, is to be under the umbrella of sites like mashable, readwriteweb, etc. The exceptions would be a handful of bloggers, who stand out on their own and can garner enough advertising revenue to make a full time career out of it. - Mike Fruchter
To a certain extent quite a bit has to do with the subject/genere of the blog. I'm at a social media site for football (soccer) and we can't find enough quality bloggers to pay - Joe
I do not pay my bills with my blog. I'm also probably a member of the Z-List, only because that's the lowest down I can go. I would have to say that the potential for income extends beyond the blog itself. Beyond ads and click-throughs. I believe that if I provide valuable content and promote it, I will create opportunities for income. - Rahsheen(isSoAwesome)
this is such a dead worn out topic .. must be the weekend - Steven Hodson
What IS new is that a guy who pumps out three gazillion blog posts per day and has been knighted to the top of the a-list has no ads and is only blogging as a hobby. And he has twins. Dude. - jeneane is in the house
@Steven, this was a request by Charlie Anzman, grumpy-puss. :-) - Louis Gray
As content publishers, we constantly look to lower costs of acquisition. We all want the best content, and bloggers are historically paid pennies as compared to unionized "journalists" which is why we "employ" them. I am not saying a union is the correct direction, but the AOL issues are proof that as blogging has become so much more competitive, bloggers have taken less and less to "get the job"... should standards be set as a community? Who advocates for bloggers? - Scott Goldblatt
Your comments always amuse me Steve hahaha - Gordon Swaby
Well i feel if you think blogging was going to pay forever then you should get your own server and start blogging. that just common sense - Uway
Steven's grumpy because I promised to Skype him today and couldn't get there :) ...The 'real deal' is that people don't read the same stuff and / or visit HERE here every day. Re-runs of threads, previous conversations and even blog posts are important and sometimes the dialog can lead to solutions (or prevent disasters) - Charlie Anzman
Andrew - Louis IS Batman ... a deeply guarded secret - Charlie Anzman
I blog because I have something that I think will benefit others for the most part. I do a few text-link ads on really old posts, but any money I ever make on my blog should be used just to cover my costs. My issue is, the busier I get, the harder it gets to blog, so if I eventually get too busy I may have to supplement it with some ads to cover my cost of blogging. I don't think I'll ever turn it into a full-fledged business though. - Jesse Stay
oops, hit enter - the difference between a blog and a news service is one is a business, and one is a hobby. Both can have ads, but the for-profit one is just a news service IMO. - Jesse Stay
Why "WE" don't make money is pretty straight forward its because of the democratisation of the labour pool. Anyone and their dog can blog. Remember in the 80s when little corner video stores opened everywhere? That was because anyone could start that business and eventually it went bust for the small guy because margins were so thin. What is happening now is the same as that and the same as when newspapers were originally started as they didn't get paid well either. If you blog for $$s its a mistake - Roger Kondrat
at least right now it is as blogs are experiencing massive growth and exploding with hobby interest. Once the market settles in 5 years maybe that will be the next wave. @Louis help me there is a marketing term for this last part - second mover? Its basically what Google did no? - Roger Kondrat
I blog mainly because it is fun, it helps me to share stories for my business, Most of my blogs have ads, that's nice to pay some related bills. Blogging is just like reading and writing on FriendFeed and Twitter a lot of fun and meeting new people for me. - Erno Hannink
Louis, don't confuse a couple of stories with the overall picture. There are more great paying blogging jobs today than there has ever been, and I believe the market still has a lot of growth opportunities. However, it's harder today to make money out of blogging than it was 1, 2 or 3 years ago. Competition continues to increase, margins become tighter as the ad pot is split more ways. Consider as I noted yesterday, that blogs are really no different to small businesses - Duncan Riley
In terms of "fair pay" as others mention it, I've long been concerned that the economics in blog pay is messed up, and that many aren't being paid fairly. But I've also noted that as long as there's people willing to write for lower rates of pay, so shall the pay rates remain low. It's a challenge. I'm not going to pretend I pay my writers enough, but I pay them more than they'd get most other places. If the site breaks even, I'll be paying them more. - Duncan Riley
@Duncan I know whose door I'll be knocking if the need ever arises :) - Steven Hodson
I always have this burning question: Are full-time Bloggers (those who are not under the likes of Mashable, RWW, and others) really surviving on ads alone? Their online influence would probably have extended to the real world and allowed them to get other sponsorships or endorsements that would help pay the bills right? - Winston Teo
Noticing that no one is talking terribly much about quality. What it takes to be a 'blogger' is access to a device with internet capability and fingers to type. What it takes to be a 'professional blogger' is having other people pay you to write content in blog format. Whether that pay is by direct hire or ad revenue - if you make your income that way, you're a professional. Unfortunately, the economy drives this market just like it does all others. - Lucretia Pruitt
Winston, there is always options in that direction. Some do books, endorse products, or do the paid speaking rounds - Duncan Riley
Duncan, that's a great point - if you don't do advertising, but do get consulting, book promotion, etc. from your blog is that "selling out"? In the end I think we all benefit monetarily in some way or another from our blogs. Does that make ads worse if that's the case? - Jesse Stay via twhirl
Jessy, no. It's all part of the potential mix. It's just that the way to profit isn't always via advertising - Duncan Riley
I'll bite. as with louis I have a full time job and blog on the side as a hobby. I have ads on my site and write for the Blog Herald which pay for the hobby and then some. That said, from what I've seen and earned, there's no way I could replace my day job income from blogging without taking a ridiculously huge pay cut. But I'm okay with that - blogging on the side allows me to write about whatever the heck I want without concern of maintaining traffic and even take a break from time to time. - Jason Kaneshiro
And the downside of people like myself, and louis is a better example - there are a lot of bloggers who blog for free and produce great content. This wealth of free content essentially devalues the work of those who want to be compensated. Not to drive a stake between bloggers, but this isn't going to end, as the entry level of blogging is ridiculously low - anybody can set up a blogger account and just start going at it, guaranteeing a constant stream of new writers who work for free or low wages. - Jason Kaneshiro
The economics of blogging remind me a bit of the economics of drug-dealers as described in the Freakonomics book, except that life expectancy is greater and likelihood of incarceration is much lower in blogging. I don't believe there's any problem with making money while blogging as long as you have a solid disclosure policy in place and adhere to a reasonable code of ethics. Thing is, being paid for blogging is not THAT different from being a freelance writer of any kind - - Mark Dykeman
cont'd - you're more likely to get published if you'll work for free or for ridiculously low wages. Having said that, although I'm no expert on the economics of the publishing industry, I believe that publishing periodicals has always been a tough way to try to make money unless you have economies of scale (e.g. low costs) or mindblowing content that allows you to command a premium price. If the enterprise can't survive, can't pay its writers/bloggers. - Mark Dykeman
Happy to see this discussion is still underway - Charlie Anzman
"As a reader of all those blogs you hit the nail on the head. Tech Not only has slowed down but its as if nothing surprises us anymore. Where are all the flying cars all the tech people use to talk about? Robotics is now done by a car company? i mean tech has gone mainstream and has lost steam. It seems that Once you have talked about all the tech that you can find there then We have to wait for what tech we look forward to. Problem is there hasn't been nothing cutting edge since The Iphone. Its almost as if we are stepping back a couple of steps b/c its still a phone that does what a computer does. Even all the new websites out there are just copy of a copy or just a sight improvement to the current way of doing things." - Uway
I'm actually a lot more irked over the people I was following. I went down to 30 and I'm not too happy about that. Now I have to go and find them all over again and add them. Plus, I was following people I had never followed, including spammers. That was annoying. - Candace Holly
True, but THAT number went straight to hell too! - Steve Isaacs
coming from the guy who brags how many followers he has. btw, i lost half the people i follow too. so that does matter. - Matt Musgrave
I agree to get the most out of twitter you have to follow the right people - Wayne Sutton
Isn't this a temporary issue? Temporary being a couple days maybe. - Robert Haas
That's all kinds of cool.. "Know a man by the company he keeps" for the digital age. - J. Abdul-Qahhar
...said all the people on friendfeed. /snorts ... i didn't realize my list went down, everyone was talking about it, but yeah, about half. I'm about 100 off now - Eric Rice
Yeah I lost both! So I guess I can whine now:) - Barbara Duck via twhirl
I think that is true even in the general context Robert. Couldn't agree more. - Parth Awasthi
And if they're not whining about followers, they're bashing the FailWhale or complaining that it's down again. People, Twitter is FREE - Mona N.
Well, if you use your account as a promotion tool this is a problem. Loosing who you follow is in my opinion a smaller problem, since you'll probably remember if they were posting anything of importance. - Marcin Grodzicki
Boy I feel so much better now that I took the time to whine:) - Barbara Duck via twhirl
I think it's not only missing followers but also a matter of us having a new unexpected glitch in Twitter - and that after many of us spend quite a lot of time building our communities here and claiming we are not leaving because all the people we want to talk to are here. (Posted my thoughts at http://www.profy.com/2008/07/2... actually.) - Svetlana Gladkova via twhirl
Robert, I don't think you're right. Following is the bigger part of the game, but it's a lot easier to engage in the conversation when there are people listening, too. - Dan Kaplan
I had all mine saved in my Attensa RSS Feeds so all those folks will probably get another notice that I am following them again, a Twitter stalker:) - Barbara Duck via twhirl
I like what you were trying to say, and to be honest I don't care how it is on Twitter, but at least on FF we are all part of the conversation, regardless of subscriber or subscribee. That is what makes FF such a great idea. You yourself have carried on the conversation with other subscribers in the comments innumerable times, for which you should be commended. - Aaron Krug
Svetlana: You are so right - the issue of 'Twitter being first to the market' was probably just solved :) I bet competition is really happy. - Marcin Grodzicki
Twitter needs a back up system we can save a re-load, a simple OPML would be just grand if it could work and upload for when things like this happen. - Barbara Duck via twhirl
There's always the competition Identi.ca, but nobody's over there - Barbara Duck via twhirl
Yes, Robert, it's shouldn't be a popularity contest about followers. But the people that use twitter for some actual networking, would be annoyed by losing track of some of the contacts they've made in the last few weeks because of this event. Both following and followers that were added in recent weeks are missing. - Louie
Dan: if you follow the right people you will get smarter and will have interesting things to say yourself and THAT WILL bring followers. Plus, smart people look at their responses tab so if you are conversational you will always have someone listening. - Robert Scoble
Checkpoints, rollbacks, audit trails, transaction logs, backups, restores - Database 101 for the Twitter guys. I'm glad the FriendFeed team has Google experience. :-) - Mitchell Tsai
Rob, that's true, except it's a GLITCH in Twitter that's making people lose followers and people that they follow. That's what the whining's from. - Dave Moyer
Robert - People new to blogging etc. want (need?) to be followed on any platform they can. You can learn from the people you follow. You (if it's what you want) promote and engage by the people following you .... but heck, Mona's right (again??). It is free :) - Charlie Anzman
If it's 'actual' networking, shouldn't contact information be exchanged? And Twitter is FREE. Everyone knows it's still unstable at times. (read: FailWhale hoopla) Why rely solely on Twitter? BAFFLING - Mona N.
That is the main problem, Robert, is that Twitter has now put a cap on number of people many of us can follow. When I got to about 2554 that I was following, I abruptly got a message saying I cannot follow any more people, including following back anyone who has added me since a few days ago. Therefore, I am no longer able to follow people I just met or send direct messages to them. I care more about that than how many people are following me. - Cathryn Hrudicka
Cathryn: oh, I didn't know about that. Interesting. That sucks. I hate caps on numbers of friends. - Robert Scoble
Robert it depends on whether you are using twitter as an informational or social tool, no? If the latter, losing followers is much more significant. - jeremy ettinghausen
jeremy: you mean conversational or marketing tool. I wonder if any real followers went away anyway? - Robert Scoble
Yes, actually, I got a "sorry, you've reached your quota of followers" a few days before Twitter cut any of the people following me. Both happened without any prior warning. If they were cutting only spammers, that would be one thing, but they abruptly cut about 1000 followers that included friends and colleagues. I'm intermittently still getting the "quota" message when I try to follow anyone new or re-follow someone they cut without my permission. Hope they get this sorted out and get rid of quotas ASAP. - Cathryn Hrudicka
Mona, if you went out to events, you would see that exchanging twitter IDs is the de facto method of exchanging "contact information" for many people in the SV. Business cards get lost and it's an instant confirmation when both parties follow each other on twitter, on the spot. If people's gmail accounts suddenly lost a month's worth of activity, would it be okay just because it's free as well? - Louie
do we know if they'll restore the friends and followers to a more recent db/backup copy? - Christian Anderson
I like Louie's point about " Business cards get lost", but I routinely photograph 'em with my phone and then sync to Evernote. Gives me a local and Web-based copy. And the paper version goes into my Moleskine. - Dean Barnett
Louie: that is the EXACT reason why I do not participate in Tweet-ups or whatever they're called. My communication method is solely not dependent on Twitter and I personally do not want my Tweets to be a on parade of location blasting and broadcasting to the world, I HAVE A LIFE - Mona N.
Umm, you're missing the point. If I've lost followers, it's safe to say that I've lost some of the people I follow. So now I have to go back and find out which ones. - Ian Betteridge
its not the people that follow me it was people that i follow that was bothering me but ok now..at least for me - Uway
Ian: I was addressing Louie's comment to me.... but to address the point I'm missing, it's no secret the Failwhale ate followers and followees. There's a great blog post about how to auto-follow people who subscribe to you. http://bit.ly/38hPFS I mean what's done is done and complaining is not really going to solve anything. just saying - Mona N.
i follow my intuition.. dont have a list - gregory lent
Hm, interesting perspective, Robert. But aren''t your followers part of your outreach? The people you influence? The peeps who *want* to hear from you? - Mari Smith
that sounds counter-intuitive; Robert, please explain - Mindaugas Dagys
You NEED people to follow you otherwise if you post stuff no one will respond - Cecil Sandus
In the case of friendfeed, if someone follows you, then other people that are subscribed directly to that someone will see your posts. Makes it more valuable. I wasn't following you Scoble, until i started reading your posts through Leo Laporte (I was subscribe to him, not you, yet i was able to see your posts because he was subscribed to you). Does that make sense? - Justin
Mindaugus: yes. I'm trying to give you an insight. Let's say followers ARE important (if you read between the lines of my writing I do find them important for many of the reasons listed here above). Well, how do you get great followers? Well, I've learned that if I listen to jerks, I become a jerk myself. If I listen to brilliant people, I become more brilliant. If I listen to romantics, I'll become more romantic. If I listen to artists, I'll become more artistic. Since I want to have conversations with... - Robert Scoble
...smart people, isn't it more important for me to worry about subscribing to smart people than worrying about who follows me? After all, if I respond to a smart person, they'll see that response in their responses tab in Twitter (or under their clusters here in FriendFeed). If they find me interesting enough they'll also follow me. So, by worrying only about who I'm following, I'll probably gain the kinds of followers I want (add in a few blocks here and there to get jerks out of my life). - Robert Scoble
The problem with all of this is Twitter is really screwed up. I thought it was just messing up the counts. A few months back it screwed up the counts for people who had 10s of thousands of following and followed. It sounds like this time they rolled back the database and actually lost data. And people wonder why I've moved most of my life over to FriendFeed. - Robert Scoble
twitter's continual mis-management of their product which is now resulting in corrupt data of my Following / Follower "count" is extremely troubling. twitter has shot itself in the proverbial foot! They've destroyed credibility and trust in their product and their making themselves appear like total dim-whits! I care about both stats because I use it as a 2 way conversational tool with my network, which has been compromised. - Susan Beebe
too bad iphone3g is not yet officially launch in Malaysia. - Chris Lim
Good luck with the new iBrick Paper Weight, sir. Keep us updated as to what caused it, please. - rykos via twhirl
Another iPhone gone brick. I'm glad I didn't get one. - Candace Holly
A Gillmor Gang News regular said recently that her iphone froze on her in the middle of call and had to do a complete restore. Said she's holding on to her iPhone 1.0 for obvious reasons now. - Micah Wittman via twhirl
so karma is finally coming back to Leo for caving in. Can not wait for MacBreakWeekly.... - James Fridley
sorry dude. and after your 24 hours of iphone. dang - Baratunde Thurston
that sucks but hey thats what happens with new technology - Uway
"Glad I kept the Blackberry." Hell of an endorsement for the Jesus Phone2...Think, I'll keep my Curve and get and iPod Touch... - Live4Soccer
I really wont and iPhone but i feel with all these software problems iI should wait till 2.1... - John Spencer via twhirl
My upgrade isn't due for a few more months so hopefully by then these issues will have been ironed out - Joe Dawson
make sure you try the long reset method - hold the Home button and on/off button for at least 15 seconds - the Apple logo should come on. If not, your battery is dead, or there are bigger technical faults - Nathan Chase
Glad I didn't run out and buy one... my iCrackberry wins! (it has an iPhone theme!) - Susan Beebe
Blackberry still for me , hope you get the Iphone working again soon Leo , if anyone knows the right people to fix this , its Leo - fotographic
I may be the only person on the planet who loves the Treo 750 Windows Mobile phone. WM 6.0 is much better than 5. I get tired of hearing all the iPhone hype. - Tim
I'd love to deride WM6, but I suspect that most of my issues are things tmobile had locked down for their phones. Spent hours just to get a miserable patched together Youtube solution. And positioning in Google maps won't work unless I hack the phone. - Brian Norwood
My next phone, and I hate to say this because it goes against my YEARS of Palm OS use, will be the Treo 800 with Win Mobile 6.x. There's a lot to be said, for me, in having the ability to run a decent web browser and some other interoperability issues will be fixed for me. Man it's painful to say that. - Bradley McSpinn
What about the HTC Touch Pro or the Nokia N95, either of those worth trying out? I currently use a HTC Windows Mobile device, and other than being slow and not supporting streamving video (Seesmic, YouTube) I love it. - Derek Alfonso via twhirl
I'm very interested to play with the Touch Pro, and the Samsung Instinct as well. Though, in all honesty, I'm way addicted to my physical QWERTY. - Bradley McSpinn
I've had an HTC Apache for the last 2 years which has never failed me once - Pete Brown via twhirl
Are there more issues like this with the 2.0 software and/or iPhone 3G, or does it just seem that way because our attention is focused on it right now? - Mike Stanley via twhirl
Wife's new iPhone did the same thing. The hard restart did it. Holding Home button and the Sleep Wake button until it booted. This took a few minutes. Its been for 5 days since that happened. - Alan Ashley via twhirl
with the economy in the shitter how long do you think this web crave is going to last? - Uway
Increasing productivity is the only way to build sustainable wealth. Credit only creates more volitility. I know these are both very general statements, but they point to the fact that technologies which are in a strong position to increase effectiveness of products or get them to market more efficiently are in a strong position to excel and are the best way to beat a recession. However this means that there will be a corresponding shake out of those who can't dominate their space or provide real value. Again, very general, but these are just the trends I see. - John Budnik
As the news media continues to hype the "economic disaster"tm, small business is healthy and continuing to grow. - John Ahrens
John - Yup, but they're still up against towering corporate conglomerates and trying to find ways to thrive. Let's change that. http://www.bizunite.com - Sonciary Honnoll
just when i thought i would take a break from ff! this is a subject near and dear to my heart, been researching wind/ solar for some time, recent advances are starting to see some parity with fossil fuels. some of my recent readings- http://del.icio.us/nicefishfil... Ecolonomics is the term that Dennis Weaver coined Ecology + Economics = Ecolonomics - Nice Fish Films
Good idea to announce it on Twitter. - Gary Bacon II
I really like the fact that you're tackling this within this forum - I just wish it weren't after 10pm on a Sunday night! :\ I suspect, however, it will still be raging on when I awaken tomorrow. - Lucretia Pruitt
Robert. Maybe you know, but there is a company in Washington building a space elevator. They calculate that 10 square miles of solar pannels in unshilded space will provide the 5 petawatts that the planet uses right now. And the space elevator will make it so we can get that much into orbit. The future looks bright.
-Paxton Farrar (kid from the FF lunch Seattle) - Paxton Farrar
I feel like alternative fuels and electric vehicles aren't the way to go yet. They are just as polluting to the environment (if not more so) to build as gas vehicles. There are technologies now that make gasoline engines near-zero emissions. If we could just break the US of our obsession with oversized, gas guzzling vehicles, we may just turn things around. - Jason Huebel
@Paxton...how high have they gotten? [/sarcasm] - Sean McGee
No matter what we do it will take time, so we should do it all. Whatever works first FTW. - Greg Folley
We're going to need a lot of effort across the variety of ways to replace oil as it wanes as our cheap solution to nearly every problem. We'll have to find ways to create limited portable energy for transportation, ways to generate lots of power at fixed sites (power plants, personal power), ways to fertilize our crops, ways to create cheap plastic-like objects. - Eric Skiff
there is no solution. The Gas Train has come to a stop and we need to find new ways to go to the store - Uway
how about this, everybody with a yard should start growing there own veggies. and start riding bikes - Uway
You don't have to do all that to save energy.. though Farmers Markets DO have better produce. Just saying - Mona N.
That's great...because the mission of my twitter space on http://twitter.com/darussol is bringing energy and power system researchers into the Conversation...web2.0 is not only for ICT people. Robert, your post helps in that ;-) - darussol
I am sure we can can find conflicts that Wired has glossed over. Like when they promote reddit and don't mention Digg in the magazine. Or when Anderson has a new book to promote so its the cover story on wired. Isn't disclosure enough? I am too lazy to go dig up the issue of the mag. - Erik Weese
Is the generally accepted journalistic principle that you can be both an investor and serve as an objective reporter now obsolete? - ron k jeffries
Stay on your own coast, Michael. Leave the Washpo alone. - Prokofy Neva
So the WashPo etc think there is no such thing as bias? Idiots - of course there is, If Mike discloses, job done. - Dennis Howlett via Alert Thingy
Can he disclose how he's basically a kind of social media PAC for the techlib lobby, on issues ranging from Obama to China to net neutrality? The column could have a box around it to label it as "ad". - Prokofy Neva
"i am obsessed with the tracking feature...but isn't that like spying? either way its the most use feature i use off twitter. using disqus you can track all your comments that you post on disqus with the feed to twitterfeed. i just thought of that but i think your comments feed also has user comments and i only would want the ones i post to twitter." - Uway
