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Eric Rice posted a message
“How is noise created? No division. Example, imagine if you were in a restaurant and able to hear and participate in EVERY conversation. That's not the case though, you have immediate convo, might overhear, but the others are inaudible. Is that what this new media landscape is like?”
July 24 at 10:02 pm - Link
Would you realistically be able to sit at a table and listen to (or read) 2000 people and expect to focus? - Eric Rice
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What ever happened to the idea of smart agents? These were supposed to do the heavy lifting for us in spaces like this. Gone the way of the flying cars and commuter jetpacks. Grrr... - Jim Stanger
One of the hardest things I'm working on in the Saijo Project is trying to explain the smart agent, something that is your access to anything you touch electronically, no matter how trivial. So, for Halo fans, if the Cortana AI for example, was your interface to EVERYthing digital. Sentient agents as well. - Eric Rice
your brain is designed to have selective focus in order to keep "noise" limited. New media fights really hard against this paradigm. - Steve Spalding
I saw a special that showed how your brain becomes more and more limited as you become an adult. Some people became extremely prolific artists in visual arts and poetry when this didn't happen. One guy was literally not able to fight the compulsion and even wrote a prominent doctor for help in the form of a poem. - Rahsheen™
If we could subscribe to ideas/concepts/tags/keywords on FriendFeed instead of people this tool would be an interesting start. Actually now that I type this I realize I could setup an imaginary friend that streams the feed of search query results. Might generate double entries, though. Meh, worth it for bullseye information. - Jim Stanger
There's a commonsense confound happening here ... multiple over-lapping convos are information rich ergo not entropic ergo not "noise" ... just too complex. But NB: "cocktail party effect" where it's measurable/reproducable that we in "noisy" environments we pick up on our own names. Go figure. Wet-brain DSP. - Bernard Ben Tremblay
I like what Jim is saying. I like the idea of being more selective and strategic. There's just too much stuff and not enough time. - Mel "de Silentio" McB
Yes. And we must listen with the third ear. Our focus must be flexible, changing as the input moves from relevant to irrelevant. - Steven E. Streight
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Robert Scoble posted a message
“Hey Chris Pirillo: when can we start talking about Gnomedex? Cause you got some killer speakers this year. ”
July 5 at 7:52 pm - Link
Why? Are you going to sing or bring your techno band to it? LOL - Steven E. Streight
Scoble, you can "conference spam" us about FastCompany? j/k Jason! :-) - David Risley
Not going unless I can get a "sponsor" or discount, cuz I don't have the $$$ to attend. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
C'mon Robert - spill the beans! I'm signed up and so anxious to find out who the speakers are. - Jason
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Thomas Hawk posted a message
“I was curious how Google ranked various sites, so very unscientifically I did a search for my Piedmont 4th of July parade photos yesterday. My blog showed up first, then FriendFeed, then Pownce, then Flickr, Twitter has yet to be indexed by Google. http://tinyurl.com/59nckt ”
July 5 at 7:15 pm - Link
If Google indexed Twitter, it would get overloaded. There's a shitload of Tweets already...that's why I have a tweet digest posted each day on my blog. - J.T Dabbagian
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I think Google still gives enormous rank to blogs compared to social networks. It still amazes me how easily a blogger can simply include someone's name in a headline and unless that person is famous or has a common name, easily get that post listed on the first page Google search results for their name. That's pretty powerful. It also seems like FF content is getting very highly ranked by Google. - Thomas Hawk
but J.T. Google *does* index Twitter, at least theoretically. - Thomas Hawk
Google absolutely does index Twitter. http://www.google.com/search?s... (over 6 million pages indexed!) This is the main reason that spammers have targeted Twitter. - Mike Doeff
@Thomas Yes, but I think only in the Blogs, anyway. - J.T Dabbagian
Thomas - "seems like FF content is getting very highly ranked by Google." - why would it not ?? the whole system has been built by ex-googlers and they know the in-nerds of goog's pigeons holes and s/be knowing some of the core algo's too !! Anyhoot, back 2 da pint - the search within FF , gets better quality results then on google.. not sure the reasons, but I can get /gather/verfify content better with FF then with google. - Peter Dawson
Peter, I'd posit that FriendFeed is building the world's first true socially ranked search engine, albeit kinda stealthy and masquerading as a social content aggregation toy for the time being. FriendFeed is doing what Yahoo was never able to hobble together in social search. You just watch, the "by product" of search will be the most valuable component of FriendFeed in the end. This is why I'm totally surprised that MSFT is screwing around with $100mm on Powerset when they really should be watching FF. - Thomas Hawk
FF could build a better search engine than Google in the end. Google of course is very likely paying attention to what FF is doing. But what FF is doing flies in the face of what Google holds to be true, sacred, etc, that humans might produce better search results than algorithms and machines. Flickr's already proven proof of concept though with image search. FF's just taking the next step that Yahoo never could and that isn't politically defensible inside the walls of Google. - Thomas Hawk
Thomas - "why I'm totally surprised that MSFT is screwing around with $100mm on Powerset when they really should be watching FF." - After being part of a team of M&A in an F50 arena, I can't agree more. However, I am not privy to the MSFT Fund deployment strategies, so I can't say a yea or nay to your comments. However, MSFT with FF ./ bad karma.. will not work out. With the rest, I believe we are on same page status wrt "world's first true socially ranked search engine, " - Peter Dawson
@Thomas - Bold statements. I always find a mix works best. You need the human element and you need the objective computer element. The FF Founders have taken the lessons they've learned from Google and poured them into the FriendFeed machine. Now they're taking those lessons a few steps further. - Ben Parr
Peter, MSFT would rather try to buy FF for $500mm when *everyone* realizes what they've got. MSFT is horrible at getting into interesting social technology early. They should have bought Flickr when Scoble told them to before Yahoo did. Flickr was one of the great steals of the decade. Nobody with any authority inside of MSFT is even watching or paying attention to FF and likely won't be until they are huge. - Thomas Hawk
Powerset can't even produce interesting wikipedia search returns, obviously insiders know more about the deal than I do, but I'm flabbergasted by it. Here very early on FF already has very powerful *real* search here and now today. Just you wait until a year of content is under the belt at FF. Search will be damn impressive here. - Thomas Hawk
Thomas if I know MSFT they might have considered it but some engineer probably killed it by saying "I could build that in a week." Or, Dare might have blogged that small acquisitions won't do anything. - Robert Scoble
Thomas, I'd submit Google is quite scientific in this. FriendFeed doesn't even need to use "insider-ish" info to do good SEO. The "title" of a page is a very high priority to Google (common knowledge). The title of your page on FriendFeed is "Thomas Hawk - FriendFeed". The title of your page on Flickr is "Flickr: Thomas Hawk's Photostream". Both FriendFeed and Flickr prioritize both user AND brand, but FriendFeed puts your name first. - Robert Seidman
Ben, yes, a mix. Social search can't be a complete solution. But where it has content it can be vastly superior and this represents a *huge* chunk of the search market still. The more obscure something is the more difficult it is for social search. And actually while FF founders know Google very very well. The lesson on social search first came from Flickr, therein lies the proof of concept and potential to go beyond images. - Thomas Hawk
Robert, you are exactly right. MSFT just doesn't get early tech. They never have. If they were smart they'd set up their own venture fund with about $500 million and hire someone like you to help them find interesting things to buy -- the problem is MSFT won't think like a VC and nobody at MSFT wants to take responsibility for the ones that don't work out in order to get the winners. Everybody's playing CYA as career corporate executives. - Thomas Hawk
helps when you worked at google and know all the secret juice , - johnpiercy
Thomas, "Everybody's playing CYA" , oh yeah dude, that's a part of the protocol of engagement regardless of YHOO,/ MSFT. GOOGs or another ticker symbol. The Coriporate world is fragmented within i's 4 walls itself. RIight hand know'th not what the left hand'th doe'th. syndrome. The cohesive of culture that transcends wealth in $$ value is just not there. Da business silo's are not geared towards the outside and to the customer. This is saddness within these large corporations,{.. cont'ed..] - Peter Dawson
"[cont'ed..].."This is saddness within these large corporations, they have much to offer in terms of really giving to their users. However the greed of wealth transcends that givingness.. and its rather what it for me , rather what's in it for my userland !! - Peter Dawson
Yes, socnets do get massive SEO power. Now Google your blog title, name, etc. and see all the Twitter, YouTube, Pownce, etc. links come up, whatever you have a profile on. - Steven E. Streight
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Steve Rubel posted a message
“I wish that my mobile browser and desktop browser history could synchronize. I forget what I clicked.”
July 5 at 1:32 pm - Link
iPhone and Safari bookmarks, folders, History, etc all sync seamlessly and automatically. - Shane Robinson via twhirl
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Not the history I believe. Bookmarks and folders fer sure. - Steve Rubel
Do you think there will be an app for the on the new iPhone? I'd love a bookmarklet for FF on the 3G. - David Weiner
@David I use the current FF bookmarklet on the iPhone all the time. Works great. - Steve Rubel
I stand corrected. Steve, your right. saf - Shane Robinson via twhirl
I stand corrected. Steve, your right. Safari does NOT sync History. - Shane Robinson via twhirl
I use LaterLoop. I added the LaterLoop bookmarklet to Safari. When you sync the iPhone that bookmarklet still works for your LaterLoop account. When following gReader links to source sites, I LaterLoop them for easier reading on my desktop or even offline on my MBAir via FF and Gears. - Shane Robinson via twhirl
I use opera mini on my W610i in sync with my opera account. Shame i cant use the bookmarklet, sometimes i wonder why there is so much hype about this 3G Iphone,when most other phone at least in europe are all 3G,i'll wait for some cute android phone to move somewhere else ;-) - Ben Borges via fftogo
I use opera mini on my W610i in sync with my opera account. Shame i cant use the bookmarklet, sometimes i wonder why there is so much hype about this 3G Iphone,when most other phone at least in europe are all 3G,i'll wait for some cute android phone to move somewhere else ;-) - Ben Borges via fftogo
@SteveRubel, can you share the link? I can't find one that works... - David Weiner
@David this one works on the iPhone just fine. http://friendfeed.com/share/bo... - Steve Rubel
One of the best things about using Safari. Everything syncs across multiples Macs & iPhone. - Tom Wentworth
Thanks, Steve. Try searching for it and see how much junk pops up! - David Weiner
Steve, is your iPhone jailbroken? If not, I failed the bookmarklet on the iPhone IQ test. How do I drag it to the iPhone safari browser's toolbar? And once I pass that test, how do I highlight text to share? - Robert Seidman
I can't get it to work on the iphone yet ... trying to do it manually. - David Weiner
Hopefully one day Mozilla will make this possible with Weave. - Aaron Myers
Add it to the non-iPhone Safari (my pc version) then sync. The toolbar shortcuts show up in a bookmark folder - mcwflint
@Robert @David My iPhone is not jailbroken, I bookmarked it first on my Mac then sync'ed it to my iPhone. Can't select text to include however images work fine. - Steve Rubel
Steve, do you use Google History? If you are logged into Google on both iphone safari and your desktop (or any browser), it tracks both. - Rex Hammock
That makes sense ... trying it now ... I was baffled for a second... - David Weiner
Testing that functionality now on my BB curve with Opera Mini 4.1 and the full browser - Christian Anderson
@Rex Hammock - good answer - Steven E. Streight
Thanks for the tips, but alas they did not work. My primary desktop is windows. I only use the bookmarklet via Firefox, but iTunes will only let me sync with IE and not Firefox. I added the bookmarklet to IE and synced and it shows up in my bookmarks on the iPhone but when I select it nothing happens. I downloaded Safari and installed the bookmarklet for it, and iTunes does let me synch Safari and it too shows up in the iPhone’s bookmarks, but nothing happens when I select it. One more reason to go Mac I suppose! - Robert Seidman
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[NYT]: Op-Ed Columnist: The Truth Commission
July 5 at 9:17 pm - Link
"Both Barack Obama and John McCain should commit to impaneling a Truth Commission early in the next administration. This commission would issue a report to help us absorb the lessons of our failings, the better to avoid them during the next crisis." - newsjunk.com
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Comments on the Kristof column here: http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.c... - Dave "Actual" Winer
Truth commission sounds just a wee bit Stalinesque - Jeff Quinton
I'll be one of the first to sign up for the re-education camps. - Jay Tannenbaum
It's sad how the very people preaching fair rights for all human beings, democracy and some of the highest ideals ever conceived by humanity is upto no good down at Gnamo Bay. Here's hoping that justicde will be served. - Manu Ullas
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