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Gillmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PST participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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excellent
- Kevin Marks
have I got time to grab some Tea?
- Kevin Marks
Hanging by waiting for the famous call.
- Robert Scoble
will you all be recording this?
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
We always do. Should still be on techcrunch tomorrow.
- Robert Scoble
hi all
- Aron Michalski
famous call is coming
- Tina Chase Gillmor
running a wee bit ;ate...sorry everyone
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Operators are now standing by...
- Robert Scoble
No worries, Tina
- Francine Hardaway
Thanks Robert.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Hi Tina... I'd expect it, I'm usually a few weeks slow after Europe.
- Aron Michalski
hey Francine!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
couple of glitches we are swatting away
- Tina Chase Gillmor
My 10 minutes of non-interruption must be coming up - 2 year old will be breaking and entering my office at any moment.
- John Taschek
I don't know if you saw my "in a funk" post: https://plus.google.com/1110910...
- Robert Scoble
But I'm not looking forward to today's show.
- Robert Scoble
great post robert
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
I usually love these shows, because we talk about the future. But I have a feeling that's not what we're talking about today.
- Robert Scoble
hi Aron - hanging out in my garage on a glorious Chicago(land) October afternoon
- Jerome Hughes
Steve in black.
- cliveb
we will be talking about the man who invented the future
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
you have to be involved with a patent to be listed on it, so Steve was involved
- Charlie Isaacs
Yup.
- Robert Scoble
Moe: good way to put it.
- Robert Scoble
gah, my comcast cut out for a minute
- Kevin Marks
iLived. Steve Jobs. What a Life!
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
Mighty big hole in the World right now :-(
- Stephen Pickering
Thanks for giving Doc the first wack;
- Aron Michalski
I like Doc Searls' Buddhist point that without Jobs vacating the space, further growth is not possible.
- Francine Hardaway
That was a really good summary by Doc, made me feel a lot
- Stephen Pickering
A life well-lived. What more can anyone expect? It's a sad thing but hardly an ending.
- Karoli
I regret Steve's "hobby" -Apple TV- did not roll out in elaborated fashion before he passed. I was looking forward to Apple disrupting another hide-bound industry: TV
- r Macdonald
Robert is choked up and it's choking me up
- Robert J Taylor
r Macdonald: I agree. I can't wait to see what Apple's working on there.
- Robert Scoble
I know, I hate being sad, but that's how I feel
- Stephen Pickering
we should be glad for what he gave us but equally sad for what we will never know
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
don't you all think he had enough time to lay out a vision for what he saw and time to pull in people who could execute it?
- Karoli
Data is not everything
- Francine Hardaway
struggling with Danny's audio. sorry
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina: I could hear it all.
- Robert Scoble
true Karoli, but who is there to lovingly build it and cast a magic spell on it
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
Karoli, I think we overestimate how far he was able to see into the future. Remember it's not that he invented the tablet, or the mp3 player, or the computer: he made them BETTER.
- Francine Hardaway
some gaps on the stream, but not enough to lose the meaning
- Kevin Marks
That's what worries me. He somehow needs to be here to help us make things better.
- Francine Hardaway
he was a worldwide influencer
- Tina Chase Gillmor
few are
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Perhaps we can that the esthetic sense and simplistic interfaces and move forward, keep it simple, keep it beautiful.
- Aron Michalski
it was about getting it done in time, not right now.
- Kevin Marks
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Kevin Murray
not releasing until it was ready
- Kevin Marks
It's also part of our time. Hewlett and Packard had just as big an impact, I'd argue, but their impact was in a time before YouTube. Steve Jobs is a world-wide celebrity, arguably the first of Silicon Valley's history.
- Robert Scoble
Here is a link to the Tim Berner-Lee post yesterday, about using NeXT to support his development of URIs, HTTP and HTML http://www.w3.org/QA...
- r Macdonald
I felt that way when I heard Any Grove had Parkinson's disease. He is a hero to me.
- Francine Hardaway
here's the playboy interview: http://www.scribd.com/doc...
- Kevin Marks
Thanks Kevin!
- Stephen Pickering
what Steve Jobs gave us over the last 10 years will never be repeated
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
iPod, iTunes, iPhone, App Store, iPad
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
Well said Steve. Disrupting powerful players and bending them to his will - indeed.
- r Macdonald
The French didn't get Steve vision. See their serious newspaper 'Le monde' : http://www.lemonde.fr/societe.... Fundamental difference marked by Americans !
- Guy Vander Heyden
Betters the Beatles years of 62 to 70
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
Gentlemen, do you think Tim Cook can bend additional media industries, like TV content and distribution, to Apple's will & new products?
- r Macdonald
no
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
the next Steve Jobs will be a group of people, a braintrust who can work together like great musicians
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Well, Tim Cook has $60 billion to push around and he has Steve Jobs' shoes to fill, so he knows that he better do some big things. But, most of my head is saying Moe is right.
- Robert Scoble
Little known Steve's support for medical research. Stanford's Joel Dudley convinced Apple to add Ruby and other capabilities http://macresearch.org/about_m...
- cliveb
Tina: funny, I wrote just that to someone last night.
- Robert Scoble
Tim Cook seems a smart guy but its like replacing Mick Jagger with Kenny Rodgers for the Stones
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
Robert... great minds....;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Moe: "replacing Mick Jagger with Kenny Rodgers" ouch
- r Macdonald
Danny is right about the carriers. I can't figure out an economical way to upgrade my iPhone. If I switch to Verizon, I can get a phone for $299, and then I have to do something with whatever I left left on my AT&T contract. And it's not unlocked.
- Francine Hardaway
android is a knock-off of sidekick, but it got a great browser from Apple
- Kevin Marks
I agree - our whole world has changed.
- Teri Temme
40 million used to mean something
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Jobs was a great and powerful pitchman. He had to pitch his revolutionary trojan horses to folks like printers, cell carriers, record companies, publishers and film and video distributors. Apple will need to replace this facet of his talent. Who will be able to do this at Apple?
- Alex de Soto
funny, Tina, I was thinking the same thing.
- Karoli
Alex, Apple has other people who do that, but no-one as well.
- Kevin Marks
Alex: Kevin is right. Jobs isn't replaceable. But they will find their own voice over the next few years.
- Robert Scoble
Robert and Kevin: I really hope you are right. I'm counting on it.
- Alex de Soto
Good to have the Onion right now
- Francine Hardaway
John Lennon was shot. We knew Steve was ill. Big difference. Still painful.
- Alex de Soto
Steve. Another victim of pancreatic cancer. Help out: http://pancan.org/section...
- cliveb
Both icons. Apple brothers
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
12 Apostles.
- Alex de Soto
will Apple TV ever take off now
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
Moe: yes. It's the best way to use AirPlay. Are you throwing away your iPad or iPhones?
- Robert Scoble
AppleTV needs to take off before GoogleTV
- cliveb
no robert.
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
Greatest commencement speech ever
- Stephen Pickering
Deep link into Steve's 2005 graduation speech segment on on the importance of remembering he will be dead soon http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- r Macdonald
Westboro Baptist Church to protest (please puncture their tires)
- cliveb
which they announced on their iphones.
- Karoli
Protest what?
- Francine Hardaway
the Angel technique still works on them. and parody signs. Violence is what they want, then they sue.
- Kevin Marks
Westboro are just culture parasites. They attack anything popular so that they can get paid attention to. If we stop paying attention to them they go away.
- Robert Scoble
What are they protesting?
- Stephen Pickering
Right. Why would they ever protest Jobs' funeral. It's not like he was gay or political
- Francine Hardaway
attention whores. that's who they are.
- Karoli
Interesting undercurrent to the discussion is the continued fight against the entrenched interests -- carriers, publishers, networks. That's a point of commonality for all us in the tech world. Interoperability will be huge, but it will take huge efforts to bring it about.
- Ian McGee
Robert, all of those pieces are teams. I suspect that will be the key to Apple's success.
- Karoli
Both Newsweek and Time are having special Tribute issues for Steve. He was a Rock Star
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
I wonder how many people will use "Cards" to send sympathy messages to Apple once the app is released. When I first heard about "Cards" I immediately thought of Steve Jobs, even though many laughed about this seemingly silly app.
- Alex de Soto
Jobs was a critic
- Kevin Marks
Someone who gives their life to something
- Stephen Pickering
Bezos?
- Robert J Taylor
Perfection, Simplicity and Secrecy.
- Teri Temme
Bezos is the closest I think
- Stephen Pickering
Who insisted on rounded corners for software windows with a radius just so?
- Alex de Soto
thanks guys.until next time.
- Aron Michalski
Who placed FCC certifications on a cell phone more elegantly than Jobs?
- Alex de Soto
alex, steve insisted on round rects: http://folklore.org/StoryVi...
- Kevin Marks
Who ignored blu-ray?
- Alex de Soto
Bezos is a genius but he doesn't build things of beauty. Want me to pull up the videos about the original Kindle?
- Robert Scoble
Bezos and Amazon's driving force is to build things at low cost. That doesn't mean they will bring us beautiful things.
- Robert Scoble
Robert but he is similar in that he tries to remove friction from the buying process and make the process fun and beautiful
- Stephen Pickering
That just tells you about the importance of beauty, design, and ease of use
- Francine Hardaway
WWSJD?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Right Kevin :) I could go on with thousands of examples where Jobs made incredibly inspired design decisions. He was more like the old car designers who lovingly thought about every curve on a car.
- Alex de Soto
Danny, iTunes was Job's way of keeping us humble. ;-)
- Ian McGee
hi Kevin
- Tina Chase Gillmor
It could be that iTunes complexity was to try to assure the music industry that their system would be "safe" - as far flung as that might seem
- Stephen Pickering
Danny is right. iTunes sucks
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
iTunes needs a rethink. Spotify is that rethink.
- Robert Scoble
Richard Stallman: "I'm not glad he's dead, but I'm glad he's gone." http://bit.ly/n50IWd
- cliveb
Ouch. That's tough
- Stephen Pickering
Nothing wrong with Wordstar key combinations. Now vi -- that's a problem. ;-)
- Ian McGee
Spotify requires a Facebook login. Very short-sighted, and limiting.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Richard Stallman is an idiot.
- Robert Scoble
iTunes is getting a rethink with iCloud, so sync isn't t required and backup happens
- Kevin Marks
What a horrible thing to write.
- Robert Scoble
lets hope they kill the bugs
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
But Stallman is probably autistic. My own son does stuff that's hurtful without realizing it because he just doesn't have the brain for social cues.
- Robert Scoble
So, I should be more understanding of Stallman and his condition.
- Robert Scoble
I was talking to Rana-June Sobhany about that - iPad as musical instrument
- Kevin Marks
Most of the people in the world have Facebook. That actually is a brilliant decision and the Gillmor Gang in 2020 will discuss just how brilliant it was.
- Robert Scoble
"Stallman and his condition" well said
- cliveb
Reminds me of how Clinton can persuade you even when you disagree
- Stephen Pickering
Some have said Steve and Apple didn't "Get social" What do you think?
- r Macdonald
I don't think its they didn't get it, they just couldn't do everything
- Stephen Pickering
r Macdonald: both true and false. Jobs got how we would talk about his products and made them HYPER conversational. Why else ship an iPod with white headphones?
- Robert Scoble
Jobs jettisoned the physical keyboard and need for a stylus on a smartphone. That move alone was brilliant and gutsy.
- Alex de Soto
Still waiting for Apple to release their own Mapping Product
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
it's gonna be a WWSJD world for a while
- Tina Chase Gillmor
My question mark is how will Apple do with the Cloud?
- Stephen Pickering
Interesting take, Robert. Products that are inherently drivers of social discussion & adoption, but no closed gardens for social interchange.
- r Macdonald
Stephen: I do worry about what will happen next week. Hope it goes well.
- Alex de Soto
do you think there were problems with the iPhone 5
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
i hope Danny is talking about upgrading the phone...not the wife ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
why take 15 months to release the same phone
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
Beatles?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
4S stands for Siri...
- cliveb
100% tina
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
SIRI's semantic intelligence could be disruptive
- r Macdonald
Tina, exactly, his impact is just like the Beatles
- Stephen Pickering
steve loved the Beatles
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
did you see the Warhol/Jobs/Sean Lennon story?
- Kevin Marks
Thanks for sharing everyone. Good show.
- Alex de Soto
stay hungry stay foolish
- cliveb
r Macdonald: yeah, I still love Siri. I remember the day I saw that tech for the first time. Really amazing stuff.
- Robert Scoble
I'm so happy I got to see what they are doing.
- Robert Scoble
Andy Warhol’s Meeting With Steve Jobs at Sean Lennon's Bday party story: http://linguisticcapital.wordpress.com/2011...
- r Macdonald
wish Siri could be hacked like Kinnect
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
thanks r Macdonald...I'll have to read that one
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Both Andrew Ng and Peter Norvig classes start Monday ml-class.org al-class.com
- cliveb
Great link rMac and Kevin. Thanks
- Stephen Pickering
also in the playboy interview Tina
- Kevin Marks
great show guys
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
Awesome show - thanks!!!
- Teri Temme
Thank you all
- r Macdonald
WOw, that got tough in the last minute.
- Robert Scoble
So sad to see Steve so sad...Tina, Steve...
- Francine Hardaway
sitting shiva
- Kevin Marks
thank you
- Hilary Talbot
Thanks everyone.
- Robert Scoble
Nice job. 'night
- Ian McGee
- cliveb
I think Bezos is enabling people to build awesome things especially with the Cloud. The investment in capacity and the functionality of AWS is awesome. Changes IT immensely.
- Robert J Taylor
Re: The Influencers Verdict: the Google+ example - http://loiclemeur.com/english...
"Totally agree with this post. Remain me in early days when Jon Postel wrote some RFC, and let users decide what's the best solution."
- Guy Vander Heyden
Accessing Session 0 on demand via the command line (Interactive Services Detection) | FireDaemon - http://blog.firedaemon.com/2009...
ACCESSING SESSION 0 ON DEMAND
- Guy Vander Heyden
HA Deepdive » Yellow Bricks - http://www.yellow-bricks.com/vmware-...
Management Network
- Guy Vander Heyden
How do I reset Windows Update components? - http://support.microsoft.com/kb...
reset Windows Update components
- Guy Vander Heyden
Prediction: ChromeOS will be killed next year (or "merged" with Android)
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Sure! iPad changed the game
- Guy Vander Heyden
maybe it would stay and grow like android did ipad is nowhere near chrome OS notebooks
- testbeta
Why? Couldn't ChromeOS and Android become the equivalents to Apple's Mac OS and iOS?
- Pablo Melchor
ChromeOS feels structurally cleaner, more futuristic. I mean, it's so... thin!
- Toph Tucker
Because ChromeOS has no purpose that isn't better served by Android (perhaps with a few mods to support a non-touch display).
- Paul Buchheit
also predicted: bear sh!ts in woods. even eric schmidt has said publicly that chromeOS was a side-bet against its own android. as for Mac OS and iOS, eventually we'll see a unified iOS on those, too.
- Patrick Keys
Yeah, I was thinking, "is this too obvious to even state?", but then I see people taking ChromeOS seriously, and Google is even shipping devices for some reason.
- Paul Buchheit
If Google were to take the "activity model" of Android and add it to Chrome as a way for different apps to interact/share data than from a developer perpective, there is not much value in using a proprietary Android dev model versus using HTML5++ (unless may be for games). So from a developer/programming model, Google would be better off killing Android - Chrome/ChromeOS is a better WebOS.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
ChromeOS = 1 Laptop Per Child / dumb terminals. If that works, then yes. If it sucks, then your OP is correct
- Johnny
That or like the dream of a lot of Apple users (iOS sitting on OSX so you can select either), ChromeOS could be the browser-based corporate solution for road warriors on the Android system.
- Johnny
If it has no purpose, then why does it have competition? It's true competition is from MeeGo/ JoliCloud/ Win-7 Basic/ Ubuntu. Its undoing could be Intel Atom vs. Dual Core ARM Cortex A9. So currently the purpose is to be the the Android equivalent for x86 machines.
- Umang Saini
Hah, TechCrunch has already picked up this prediction: http://techcrunch.com/2010...
- Bruce Lewis
I think that a lot of people are seeing the browser as the one and only future app platform, and given that, I think that Google is hoping the need for native apps will simply go away. They're in the position to influence that through Chrome (the browser). Chrome has been built to speed up overall market innovation. On the app side, they make sure that all "basics" can be done on the...
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- Meryn Stol
Minitel...
- FullSite
In the end, Google might not even care that much whether people use Chrome OS or not. Just like Amazon doesn't care if you use the Kindle (the hardware). Google just wants to be the full-service middle-man in your overall "computing" experience, just like Amazon wants to be the middle-man for books (or reading). But like Amazon ensures there's a superior end-user experience for their...
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- Meryn Stol
Minitel - Good one alex
- PXLated
That the "simplified" user experience is qualitatively different than the "regular" or "traditional" user experience is a common mistake developer-in-a-bubble organizations make. It really is a matter of degree, not quality: there's no reason why, with minor modifications to the interface, certain devices couldn't just boot up Android's browser by default and give the same benefits...
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- Mark Trapp
To be honest, Chrome OS sounds more like the product Google wants rather than the product that's actually successful (Android), and that alone is its raison d'être.
- Mark Trapp
like friendfeed last year
- Ibrahim Ozturkcan
Whether they are merged or not, I am happy, as a consumer, that Google has taken the pains to put out two champion products - Android rocks (on the phone) and Chrome the browser rocks (can't talk about the OS since I don't have access to it yet). From the UX perspective, if they could make the COS work on tablets, it would be a bigger win than Android running on tablets.
- Suresh R Iyer
well, numbers will decide ;-) => millions of smartphones +tablets
- JacopoGio
Possible Google Strategy:- Own-up Java with Android, Own-up Linux further with Chrome OS.
- Vinod
If this is the Sun terminal revistited, then there is no reason to keep it around. I want my free laptop before it's all over though.
- Eric
Having used the closest (refined) product out there to it, Jolicloud, I have to say it's (VERY) fast, highly addictive...and actually a time saver for me. Agree the 'merger' is likely but Linux still has a huge base of developers that don't cost Google a dime. Think a better question (any predictions?) might be ... What's going to happen to Firefox? (and the huge Google infusion that goes along with it).
- Charlie Anzman
Mark - Yes, probably because it's Schmidt's long running wet dream, the network computer.
- PXLated
ChromeOS is little late.
- Ashish
Chrome OS greatest achievement is bringing full web browser to ARM Processors, so we can have $99 ARM Powered laptops soon. Sure it would probably be possible to add Android functionality to Chrome OS (an extra icon in the task bar) and vice-versa add a Chrome browser icon in Android as well. The main thing is the web browser needs to be optimized for embedded Linux devices that are ARM Powered.
- Charbax
mind sharing a prediction as to when they kill friendfeed?
- солнышок
I think it'll kickstart HTML5 if anything. I don't think it'll outright die though. There will be a use for secure terminals and kiosks. For normal consumers, a cheaper netbook that only browses the web without really worrying about the OS is appealing.
- Rodfather
If I'm hearing Meryn correctly, I like the idea that Chrome could push things away from app-happy land and back into browser land. I think apps are kind of a novelty that needs to eventually go away or, at least, be reined in. I hate apps that don't do anything different than what a browser can do.
- Laura Norvig
hi paul, I'd like to ask you a couple of questions about your opinion for wired.it, may I have your contact by private message?
- Silvio Gulizia
ChromeOS to Android - Yes. Browser based OS in the mainstream long past overdue and really a reality today with Windows - just track my wife's usage. I could though plop a well configured ChromeOS notebook or tablet down in front of her and she wouldn't lose a beat and nor would probably about 75% of her world(friends, family, etc) and we geeks would love not to have to deal with more...
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- Brad Nickel
Laura, I think ChromeOS apps will push sites to go toward 'app-happy land' in the beginning. The current site will be the standard website where everything will work. Then an app-like site using HTML5 to prep for the mobile app. A UI that would work well with the common denominator of mobile devices, the browser.
- Rodfather
Charbax - Go to Walgreens(if in US) and you can buy a $99 ARM based Windows CE device by Sylvania today. It probably sucks, but they have em.
- Brad Nickel
What about Linux? Any predictions there? Figured I'd ask while everyone is feeling "predictive". Was an Ubuntu mention, but it seems like the Linux conversation has been muted lately.
- Liza + = ?
I would prefer Android to merged with ChromeOS, not the other way round
- Ian
I hope so!
- Naceron
Spanish leading newspaper El Pais has also picked this prediction:) http://www.elpais.com/articul...
- Gabriel Aldamiz-echevarri
@Paul Buchheit (TeamFrank), what you're failing to see is that Web 3.0 is the world trend now, is not something google suddenly invented. Also, the Chrome Web app store will be the one who defines if cOS is successful or not, just like in android. I think google has learned lots in this area, thanks to androids app marketplace. and remember even if you like it or not, web apps will...
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- manny
@Liza hollers, actually chromeOS is based on linux (i think ubuntu). So all progress made either way the other one will benefit from. Specially on the Kernel and web technologies.
- manny
Manny - didn't know that it was based on ubuntu. I love being called @liza hollers:)
- Liza + = ?
Great, now Slashdot even has a link to this thread: http://tech.slashdot.org/story...
- Gabe
And I predict: You would have stayed at Google if you got it ;)
- HateBadDesign
I predict: you're just bitter about anything Google does at this point because Friendfeed has been such a colossal failure.
- xxdesmus
Wow, slashdot is still around? Is that where the crazy haters are coming from?
- Paul Buchheit
I am not really sure why there are two operating systems from Google in the first place. Has anybody supplied a rational explanation for the duplication of effort? Is this likely to be a costly mistake for Google?
- Brian Sullivan
the best combo would be for the android browser to continue to import features from chrome, including the ability to install a web app on an android device, have its icon show up in the apps list, etc.
- Karl Rosaen
any predictions on Yahoo? After their announcement about delicious I'm in the mood to hear a hideous and nasty prognosis.
- JSLeFanu
Yahoo is already dead :)
- Paul Buchheit
You mean tonight's.
- Micah
Spotted this on Slashdot by an anonymous source. Silly birds.
- Liza + = ?
"Yahoo: Where startups go to die."
- Gabe
Karl: I'm sure somebody will point you to this, sooner or later: http://android.git.kernel.org/...
- Marcos Marado
So everything in android runs on a java virtual machine, which in turn runs on linux. Chrome has a blazing fast conscript engine and it to runs on a modified linux. Chrome must also have a basic jvm to support java applets in the web. So realistically all we need is google to as the android jvm backbone into chrome os! Then we get super efficient chrome is baseline that can launch any...
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- Sean
from Android
10 days left to kill or merge!
- Jérôme
Craigslist Took One for the Open Internet - http://www.wired.com/epicent...
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"Despite — or perhaps because of — Craigslist’s unconditional surrender, this group is amping up its assault on the 12-year old law that has allowed the net to flourish. And now Congress is getting into the righteousness with a hearing during which two representatives from Craigslist will face public flogging from politicians in the midst of an election season. While we can expect this kind of showboating and moral grandstanding from politicians, the reason they’ve gotten this far has everything to do with companies like Google, Yahoo, Yelp and Facebook standing on the sidelines, silently allowing Craigslist to be pilloried out of fear they’ll be tainted as supporting prostitution and child-sex–trafficking if they stood up for an open internet. The hearing is a set-up. There are two panels of witnesses. The first are five current and former members of Congress, who will undoubtedly use their time in front of cameras to make it clear how awful prostitution is. They’ll be followed by a...
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- Paul Buchheit
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Historically, laws have been adapted to serve the largest and also to adapt to the changing world. any time, they have also been created to pacify the people. However, any time, they have often been abused by leaders. This reminds me of a dream that flies away. Craig Newmark would get a medal for his vision.
- Guy Vander Heyden
If your FriendFeed to Twitter publishing isn't working, go to http://friendfeed.com/setting... and login again. Twitter disabled HTTP Basic Auth, so we can only publish your entries if you've gone through the new OAuth routine.
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Thanks, Paul.
- Micah
Yes, thanks!
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
oooh that's right, thank you
- Susan Beebe
Yay!
- Rollin' in the LB
thanks, Paul!
- holly #ravingfangirl
Thanks.
- Guy Vander Heyden
The real problem is Twitter to Friendfeed not Friendfeed to Twitter. Friendfeed doesn't import my Twitter entries. Friendfeed to Twitter now is working, thanks.
- catepol
Please fix Twitter to Friendfeed (with private Twitter account like mine Friendfeed doesn't work since Twitter decided to change OAuth settings)
- catepol
No problems with FriendFeed to Twitter. Real problem is Twitter to FriendFeed. Trying to create a new Twitter service (or to refresh the old one) on FriendFeed, it says me the Twitter account was not found.
- Maxime
Same as Maxime.
- Niki Costantini
Same here.
- Ale♪nastrorosa
Ditto - when I try to set up FF to post my Twitter posts, I get this message: http://m.friendfeed-media.com/c5b7577...
- Ciaoenrico
BUMP
- Johnny
Thanks Paul. Just done that.
- Roberto Bonini
TWT 2 FF => FAIL+1
- /sg
I can't add my Twitter again, either. I get the same message as Ciaoenrico.
- Michelle M
Thanks a lot, Paul! They did this in the middle of my microblogging the Human Microbiome Research Conference last week, but hopefully this will fix it in time for the Lake Arrowhead MIcrobial Genomics meeting.
- Ruchira S. Datta
BLOCKED USER: sicola narkozy
- Skyler Call
Yup---FF to Twitter is fine but T to FF it says my open account doesn't exist.
- Hedgehog
Thanks much, Paul. Friendfeed is still too great a product to let fall into disarray. The world will catch on eventually, I hope.
- Sean McBride
Yep, I can't get Twitter to import to FF, either. I tried opening my Twitter to do it, but that didn't seem to matter, so I re-protected.
- Lix
Yep, same problem for me as everyone else. FF publishes to Twitter fine, but won't import Twitter. Now FF can't even find my Twitter account, says it's not found.
- Jandy
++Skyler
- Ruchira S. Datta
bump.
- The Ghost of Library Past
I don't exist either :)
- Deepak Singh
Thanks
- Andrew David
FF publishes to Twitter. Ok. FF doesn't import Twitter. I've removed my Twitter account on FF. I want to add it again and now FF can't even find my Twitter account, says it's not found. (yes I have a private account on Twitter).
- catepol
I don't exist either :(
- Federico D'Ambrosio
TWT 2 FF => FAIL+1
- l'Ego di Gigi
don't work!!!
- Antonio Vergara
Exactly the same as catepol. FF now says that my Twitter account does not exist...
- LaZiaElena
we all want to import our twitter posts into friendfeed as before
- catepol
same here: FF can't recognize my twitter account. It was made to share my kindle clippings, and I want to forward that feed here. Please fix it - we all love FriendFeed and want it fully working :)
- PaperDoll
any fix here on this issue yet?
- Richard Binhammer
«We could not find the given account». [http://ff.im/qBz36] Why?
- Sei Dee già Pulp
Fix it.. pleeeeease !!
- Robert
publishing to Twitter stopped working again, i've signed in and out at the publishing preferences page several times and checked my publishing preferences. :(
- Ruchira S. Datta
Oh /that's/ what happened. Silly Twitter!
- Zulema ⋅ spicy cocoa tart
from FreshFeed
I try to add my legitimate #Twitter account to Friendfeed but keep getting the message "We could not find the given account" every single time. Why is it so?
- Maqbool Bhat
Twitter to Friendfeed don't work. :(
- MarioMiX
Twitter to FriendFeed doesn't work, and I guess this is a tactical decision so that people would use FF to post on Twitter, but to be honest, I will give up FF if that's the case!! and simply stick to Twitter..
- HDG Ticaret
Same here I can't FriendFeed to find my twitter account... rather annoying
- Bren @ Headlines-Today
late to the party on this one but i am no longer found when trying to add my twitter
- Angela P.
What everyone else said. Need to go FROM Twitter TO Friendfeed.
- Derrick
likewise -- twitter -> FF borked.
- Darrell Berry (site)
+1. Getting the "We could not find the given account" error when trying to connect and import my Twitter posts into the FriendFeed.
- Южное Тушино, мкр 11
same problem as above - "We could not find the given account" - any idea what's wrong or more importantly, when it'll be fixed?
- dorwardmedia
same problem here Twitter to Friendfeed don't work
- Ozan Zırhlı
I have the same problem too - was told it couldn't find my twitter account. So when will Twitter to Friendfeed finally work for us? We seriously want Friendfeed to become more relevant in our social networking lives!
- Jenny Teo
It's really sad.. :/
- Alessio Maffeis
+1
- Roberta Lippi
I also cannot get my private twitter account to publish to friendfeed. Please fix
- librarianhope
I'm having the same problem: when this first cropped up, I removed my Twitter, tried to re-add it after signing in using OAUTH, but now it says "The given account is not found..." How do I fix this?!
- Meredith Sweet
I did that x3, & still no FF to Twitter posts happened. FF to FB publishing has quit for me, too. So I have discontinued using FF to post anywhere for now & will give a new try another day down the road. (So the help tickets I submitted are irrelevant now.)
- ShamanicShift
Also: I, too, have seen the error message that FF cannot find my Twitter account when I attempt to refresh -- and when I removed it to re-add it (as something else to try), it took MANY attempts (before my Twitter was back on the list of services),
- ShamanicShift
Same problem (my twitter account isn't even private). Stopped tweets importing 3 days ago.
- Ashalynd
same issue as above "We could not find the given account"
- Mardetanha
+1. Getting the "We could not find the given account" error when trying to connect and import my Twitter posts into the FriendFeed.
- Ben Dalton
+1. Getting the "We could not find the given account" error when trying to connect and import my Twitter posts into the FriendFeed.
- tweetingpli
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- حمادة عبد الجليل خشبه
I'm authorizing app, and getting redirect back, but have no posting to twitter again. It's always "To post to Twitter, you need to sign in first."
- Ivan Larionov
Also often getting "Service Unavailable" from FF.
- Ivan Larionov
Me: "Camilla, if you don't listen, I'm going to have to use force." Camilla: "No, I don't like forks!"
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Jedi mind trick?
- Jemm
fear leads to anger... anger leads to suffering... hrrm,mm
- AJ Batac :)
perhaps anger leads to silverware in this formation.
- Andrew C (✓)
mine, 2 years old "Alice:" "I don't want to go with you, you're too fat !. I've just 65 Kg, ~ 145 lbs. Pfff.
- Guy Vander Heyden
The forks will be with you. Always.
- Dan Hsiao
Re: Google Is Going To This Social “War” Due To Perception - http://pagesaresocial.com/2010...
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"Not sure. Remember Microsoft in 1995. This company make à 180° turn to embrace the widely adoption of Internet. Of course Google can make same move with less people aboard."
- Guy Vander Heyden
Re: Google Is Going To This Social “War” Due To Perception - http://www.disqus.com/people...
"Not sure. Remember Microsoft in 1995. This company make à 180° turn to embrace the widely adoption of Internet. Of course Google can make same move with less people aboard."
- Guy Vander Heyden
Re: Google Is Going To This Social “War” Due To Perception - http://pagesaresocial.disqus.com/google_...
"Not sure. Remember Microsoft in 1995. This company make à 180° turn to embrace the widely adoption of Internet. Of course Google can make same move with less people aboard."
- Guy Vander Heyden
Re: Loic Le Meur Blog: How to find old Tweets - http://www.disqus.com/people...
"snapbird.org is very nice too."
- Guy Vander Heyden
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"snapbird.org is very nice too."
- Guy Vander Heyden
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"snapbird.org is very nice too."
- Guy Vander Heyden
Gray Family Set To Expand This Fall With One More - http://blog.louisgray.com/2010...
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Congrat Louis
- Yann Ropars
Congratulations!
- Penny
Congratulations, Louis and Kristine! Exciting news!
- Jandy
*fist bump*
- Derrick
Congrats, Louis!
- Ethan Gahng
Yay!! more baby pictures from the Gray household :) CONGRATS!!!
- Susan Beebe
booyah!
- Que Sarah Sarah
Congratulations!!!!
- Eric
And how do Matthew and Sarah feel about sharing the social media limelight?
- Jandy
Imma say it again "YAY! Congratulations, Gray fambly!! *hugs* "
- Yolanda
Wow, congratulations! (you're brave!)
- Paul Buchheit
WHOOO! :D
- Rochelle
Happiest congrats!
- Ayşe E.
Paul, replace "brave" with "doomed", and I think you're right! :) Thanks for the congrats all. Look forward to sharing with you everywhere in all places. And Jandy, we've told Matthew and Sarah. They know the word "baby" and can point to my wife, but I don't think they get it yet.
- Louis Gray
Congrats!
- Mary Carmen
from iPhone
That's a healthy looking...vague...grayish...blob...congratulations...*trails off*
- Mike Nayyar
Congrats. I wondered if this was what your post to WoH was referencing. =)
- Anika
Congratulations!
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Congratulations :)
- LANjackal
So exciting, congrats!!
- Georgia
Congratulations.
- John (bird whisperer)
That's awesome! I wonder how much hair the new baby will have...
- Lis
:D congratulations to you and Kristine, Louis!! Joyful news is joyful!
- WoH: Minding her Botts
congratulations!
- holly #ravingfangirl
That's a BABY!!!
- SAM
Yay congrats
- Rodfather
Good thing you never sleep! :) Huge congrats
- Stephen Mack
from iPhone
Congrats! It's going to be a load of fun having a set of twin toddlers with a newborn baby. It was fun enough with 8-year-old twins and a newborn when we did it. It will be an amazing experience.
- Curdy G
Congratulations!
- Jayesh
Louis, just wait until they figure out that the camera isn't always pointed at them anymore. :p And BTW, what Curtiss means by "load of fun" is "no sleep ever again".
- Jandy
Congratulations!
- mikepk
Congrats, Grays!
- Rollin' in the LB
How exciting! The third one changes everything; you'll be outnumbered!
- Anne Bouey
Oh, right, I forgot Louis doesn't sleep anyway. Carry on.
- Jandy
Again, congratulations Louis and family! :)
- Micah
Sleep? This thread is completely off topic! :)
- Louis Gray
Wow, congrats Louis! Great news!
- AJ Kohn
What, you expected FFers to stay on topic? It's like you don't even KNOW us.
- Jandy
Jandy, I know you guys. You guys are awesome. :) Looking forward to abusing my sharing privileges well into the future.
- Louis Gray
Congratulations. :-)
- Moody (Sweet FA 4 Life)
Congratulations on the new Gray!
- Mo Kargas
Congrats Louis!
- Shey
Congrats Louis!
- Hutch Carpenter
Congrats Louis and family :)
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Wow, congratulations. Three kids!
- DGentry
Congrats Guys!!!!!!
- Rachel Lea Fox
Congratz! :)
- ciw
Congrats to the Gray family!
- imabonehead
Could have been quadruplets: http://www.google.com/buzz...
- Josh Haley
congrats
- Marissa
Ha! I knew that was coming! ;) Congratulations! All these comments and nobody has asked if it's a boy or a girl?
- Dawn
Read the article, Dawn :)
- WoH: Minding her Botts
Oh, okay. Little boy parts. Thanks, WOH.
- Dawn
congrats Louis to you and yours!
- Valz 4 Botts
Of course, you should name him Austin in honor of SXSW.
- Dawn
It's a boy, according to tests. We have not yet had visible confirmation on said little boy parts, Dawn. :)
- Louis Gray
Sassy Savvy Sarah, Mellow Matthew and Awesome Austin! :)
- Dawn
Congratulations!
- Maria Niles
Yay! What great news!! Many Congratulations!!
- Andrew Terry
from iPod
Congratulations!
- Elena
Oh my gosh! Congratulations!!!
- joey
GrayStar, LG3.0 or the LGStream is flowing ... congratulations both especially Kristine. Tx
- Thomas Power
Congratulations !
- Guy Vander Heyden
Whoohooo!!!!!
- Mol, FF Music Lover
wow! congrats :)
- Oguz Serdar
Congratz!
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
from iPhone
congrats :)
- Sharon Hurley Hall
Congrats Louis! Joao
- TechFuga
Congratulations!
- Marty
congrads, ;)
- chaz2b
Congrats, Louis! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Oh, wow! Congratulations, LG!! :D
- April Buchheit
Congratulations!!! :-D
- Ladyepiphanybug
Congrats!!! ;)
- Marco Castellani
woo hoo! Congrats Louis!!!!
- Michael Leggett
Congrats!
- Bret Taylor
Just one? Congratulations!
- Jim Norris
Congrats!
- Tracy Benham
Adafruit's Monochron retro clock now on sale, changes time with every match point - http://www.engadget.com/2010...
J'aime bien ce truc
- Guy Vander Heyden
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- Guy Vander Heyden
from Posterous
Reader2Twitter - Sync Your Google Reader Shared Items to Twitter - http://reader2twitter.appspot.com/enuser
Easy to share items with this tools. Thanks Louis Gray _
- Guy Vander Heyden
Microsoft halts Windows Update distribution of security fix after blue-screen reports - http://blogs.zdnet.com/microso...
We have problem here also.
- Guy Vander Heyden
If your product is Great, it doesn't need to be Good. - http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2010...
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Totally agree with this.
- Guy Vander Heyden
I agree, but those three well-executed features need to be done in the context of marketing/sales magic, otherwise the product won't take off. GMail by all rights should be the dominant email client today, or at least every other surviving email client should have copied the conversation view from GMail. FriendFeed should be bigger than Twitter. I'll admit that twitter got the "few things" part, but I don't think they won based on doing those few things well.
- Bruce Lewis
Gmail is getting there. It has already passed all of the other webmail systems -- they just don't realize it yet. iPhone is similar in that it hasn't won in absolute numbers yet, but it's the winner nevertheless. FriendFeed is a topic for another day.
- Paul Buchheit
"At the office, maybe we'll finally have an easy way of chatting with remote people while discussing a presentation or document (e.g. audio iChat with a shared display)." Wouldn't that be nice?
- Benjamin Golub
Gmail is getting there, and will eventually get there, but it has Google associated with it. Smaller products with weaker brands have a lot more trouble. There's already a tablet out that uses multi-touch to enable multi-player games, for example. Do you know what it's called? I don't; I just happened to see it.
- Bruce Lewis
There's no question that brand matters, and it would be difficult for anyone other than Apple and maybe G or M to successfully launch the iPad. You have to pick a strategy that works given the resources you have. Also, I bet that other tablet isn't actually good (clunky to use).
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, it helps me to hear you say there's no question that brand matters. Your essays really resonate with me, and when I read this one my first inclination is to run off and refine my core features. But refined features only bring new users if you've got the sales/marketing thing figured out.
- Bruce Lewis
Not every game is winnable Bruce. I wouldn't try taking on Apple and Google for the cell phone market, for example. Google succeeded in large part because nobody else realized that search was important.
- Paul Buchheit
"if the basic product isn't compelling, adding more features won't save it."
- Clare Dibble
Fantastic, Paul.
- Bruce Johnson
from BuddyFeed
Bruce, exactly. Especially since we're all seduced by the idea that on the web, we want to scale virally. In this conversation, we're talking about competing with Apple and Google. Do you have a particular target audience you could to go after first? Maybe dominate a given market segment - a niche or a subculture by focusing on something that's just for them, then grow into other niches...
more...
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
Paul thanks for an enlightening article. How would you define winning? Can you win the game and still be a loser, for example MySpace won but could not sustain itself?
- Shakeel Mahate
Hold that thought, Mary. I'd really like to talk about it, but I don't want to hijack the discussion any more than I have already. Paul has a great post here about what does and (just as important) doesn't constitute a great product. Now that it's established that brand, etc. matters, I'm happy to stay on topic.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
I'm glad you address the different strategy implicit in developing gmail within Google. An independent startup trying to design a product doesn't have the brand or the support resources that something like gmail did (to Google's credit) will likely need to look at product design in a more holistic way. This isn't a direct criticism of you, Paul, but we like to boil down the product...
more...
- mikepk
I agree with your premise though, having lived through the experience of building a 'good' product that wasn't 'great'. We did a lot of things wrong with the "Grazr product" from Grazr. First and foremost in my mind was not focusing on the core elements and adding hundreds of features that just made the thing a confusing mess. We needed a benevolent dictator and I wasn't in the position to be that person.
- mikepk
So by this logic trying to turn Gmail into twitter will probably fail? Something like trying to turn Greader into a social network? One you take the care to identify the essential attributes that make something great, bolting on more attributes to make it something else doesn't seem a good idea.
- Todd Hoff
Great article, Paul!
- Space Cowboy
The amusing thing to me is that -to this day-, iPod haters still focus on the features it lacks.
- Andrew C (✓)
If your product is a fashion accessory, it doesn't need to be good.
- Gabe
People will buy all kinds of crap for the latest fashion accessory.
- Gabe
don't you have to be good at some point before you can iterate to be great?
- David Tran
Dan: Paul's thesis is that you can start out at great and then iterate to be good.
- Gabe
More seriously, Paul is using "great" to mean something nearly orthogonal to "good", rather than being "like 'good', but better".
- Andrew C (✓)
from Android
"Great" in this essay means it has features that are novel or way better executed than the norm. "Good" means achieving the norm for feature-completeness.
- Bruce Lewis
"Great" is a discontinuity. The iPhone is a good example because there was really nothing like it before, so it didn't matter that it was lacking some obvious features like copy&paste.
- Paul Buchheit
ola Paul, you know about anything in this situation? -> http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Sets Turan
Well, now, hold on. On paper, there were phones that did most of the things iPhones did, even maps and youtube. The app potential wasn't even a huge selling point for the first year or so if I remember right; it was more that it had a browser that really worked. (and even then, there were other smartphones out there... people just didn't really write apps for them, not nearly on the iPhone's scale.)
- Andrew C (✓)
Please direct your Turkey comments to http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Paul Buchheit
Andrew, I tried those phones, and they were all bad. Having features isn't good enough -- they need to actually work. iPhone was the first phone with browser that worked, maps that work, etc.
- Paul Buchheit
Fair enough!
- Andrew C (✓)
MaryB, about that thought I asked you to hold, there's a place for it now if you please: http://friendfeed.com/brlewis...
- Bruce Lewis
Two Minute Drill – Shutdown.exe, Tsshutdn.exe and Psshutdown.exe - http://blogs.technet.com/askperf...
i prefer sysinternals version of this utility.
- Guy Vander Heyden
Ca y est! Je suis connecter a V*double zero* tv digit + inetrnet 15Mo + tel fixe avec mon n° d'avant 04/2266056.
Et ca marche à 15 Mb/s ?
- Guy Vander Heyden
Happy Birthday to me :)
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Happy Birthday Susan have a great day
- Valz 4 Botts
Woot! Happy Birthday!
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
happy birthday/boxing day/st. stephen day!
- Barbara R. S.
Happy Birthday!!!!
- Hameedullah Khan
Have a good birthday!
- Sue - Friendfeed is best
Happy Birthday to you! :)
- phil baumann
from Android
Happy Birthday, Susan!
- ha3rvey (literally)
Happy Birthday!
- Shevonne
Bon anniversaire!
- rowlikeagirl
happy birthday
- Mehmet Fatih YILDIZ
Happy birthday! Have a wonderful day!
- Rollin' in the LB
Happy Birthday! :)
- WoH: Minding her Botts
Happiest of birthday wishes to you, Susan!
- Anika
Happy Birthday!
- Tracy Benham
Happy birthday! :)
- Rochelle
Happy B'day! :)
- Abhishek
happy b-day ms beebe, :)
- chaz2b
Happy Birthday, Susan! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
WOW, thanks everybody!! This just made my day!!
- Susan Beebe
Happy Birthday :)
- Rodfather
Happy Birthday, Susan!
- Lisa L. Seifert | FHG™
Happy birthday!
- Spidra Webster
Indeed, a Happy Birthday to you! :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
happy bday susan!
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Happy Birthday!
- Vicarbott
FriendFeed is a virtual birthday card app too ...
- Susan Beebe
Happy birthday, dear Susan :)
- Lora Lufark
happy birthday :)
- ciw
Happy your birthday Susan :)
- Mahdi Ebrahimi
Happy Birthday :)
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Thanks everyone for such wonderful b-day wishes!! :)
- Susan Beebe
Happy birthday!
- Mitchell Tsai
Happy Birthday!
- Brent
Happy, Birthday, Susan!
- Micah
Happy Birthday!
- Lix
Happy Birthday! :-)
- vicster
Happy happy bhirtday ;)
- ★ Soner Gönül
Happy Birthday indeed
- Richard A.
Happy belated birthday, thanks for everything you've done for me in past year too, really great.
- Robert Scoble
All the best and many happy returns, Susan!
- Prolific Programmer
Happy Birthday !
- Guy Vander Heyden
Happy Birthday, Susan! Many blessings throughout the coming year!
- Melanie Reed
Wow, even more nice comments and birthday wishies... thanks again everyone, until next year! :)
- Susan Beebe
Happy Birthday Susan:))
- Seydi Yeşilyurt
listening to " - http://blip.fm/~hnhqp
@Orli: "a motto..." nice song
- Guy Vander Heyden
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Attach a Debugger When a Process Starts - All Your Base Are Belong To Us - http://blogs.microsoft.co.il/blogs...
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Super. Thanks
- Guy Vander Heyden
Open as in water, the fluid necessary for life - http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2009...
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When is Facebook going to give people open access to the address book? :)
- Bindu Reddy
They already do. My DROID syncs with my Facebook and Google contacts, converging them both for the same contact on either network. Don't ask me how that's done though
- LANjackal
You mean your DRIOD can get to the email addresses of your facebook contacts?
- Bindu Reddy
""Open" is a great thing. Everyone likes it." Maybe everyone you know ;)
- Clare Dibble
a friend of mine has a bb storm and it integrates w/ facebook (when i call him, my facebook avatar shows up... etc etc) -- the Droid being able to combine contact lists and merge them when applicable sounds like the next step
- Chris Heath
It's still not open. That data is locked into the built in contacts app and you can't get it at an api level. Android 2.0 has a complete (well, half-baked) contact model that allows aggregating contact info. Not to mention that when I entered my contact info into facebook that I understood it was going to be shared that way. But from an end-user standpoint it's great!
- Hayes Haugen
@LANJackal that sounds great... I guess my information is dated than..
- Bindu Reddy
Very great post. One of the best. This share remember me with two other great peoples described by Katie Hafner is his book (Where the wizards stay up late): Vint Cerf (you known what i mean) and Dave Clark (by his famous quote : "we reject kings presidents and voting. we believe in rough consensus and running code.") With an "open" mind like yours, they make with days, months, years, a very great open life fluid. I'm very happy to follow you. As Louis Gray says : Please keep blogging. Thank you.
- Guy Vander Heyden
Just like with any other activity, the intention behind being open is very important. If somebody wants to manipulate or mislead, then it can be dangerous to follow them. We just have to be aware of extremes. That said, I have learnt a lot from following you and thanks for sharing your ideas so eloquently.
- Shakeel Mahate
Hey, thanks for the mention - I'm glad you're enjoying Alfie Kohn's book. He makes me think.
- Laura Norvig
Thanks Laura. I've actually "outsourced" the reading to April, but she tells me about it :)
- Paul Buchheit
Heh, see this is the type of efficiency mindset you've developed by running a startup.
- Laura Norvig
No, I've always been lazy :)
- Paul Buchheit
lazy like fox! ;)
- Susan Beebe
Chrome OS will help kill Silverlight and other non-open tech, preventing msft and others from recapturing the web. (though I expect that it will support Flash by necessity)
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Good point.
- Robert Scoble
I hope it doesn't. After all we need good media delivery platforms.
- Swaroop
yeah, nobody really needs flash. kill it.
- zio bonino
Microsoft will port it. It's all about codecs & DRM. Ogg Theora isn't all that great.
- Rodfather
Chrome OS might be a compelling case for SVG/<canvas> + <audio> tag replacements for flash. Dunno what SVG's perf is like on WebKit tho.
- Matt M (inactive)
Is that Steve Jobs disguised as Zio ?
- Swaroop
@Swaroop Yes, we do. Like HTML5.
- Benjamin Dobson
@Swaroop eh eh, I've got flash disabled on all my systems :)
- zio bonino
@Benjamin I'd prefer HTML web apps over native apps anyday. But it'll take time for it to mature
- Swaroop
Rodfather, I don't think that will be an option for msft :). If Chrome is built the way I would do it, there is no installation per-se -- everything runs in the browser and the config in stored in the cloud (and cached locally). The computer is a pure appliance.
- Paul Buchheit
@Zio You're the real Steve Jobs
- Swaroop
Microsoft moves much too slow to force new standards these days.
- Louis Gray
@Louis: IE8 flunking ACID test :)
- Swaroop
What about more standard codecs like h.264? That isn't open and is in hardware already.
- Rodfather
h.264 is established and must be in there, but it's not a platform like Silverlight is.
- Paul Buchheit
A world with no Flash and Silverlight. I can't wait.
- Paul Grav
Yeah, it's too bad they didn't open-source it. This stuff with Mono is silly -- if you want to make a real standard you need to make the real implementation be open.
- Paul Buchheit
MS are about 10 years too late with Silverlight. And they'll most likely be dragged kicking and screaming into supporting HTML5.
- Paul Grav
Zio sez (hopefully humorously): "yeah, nobody really needs flash. kill it" -- have you ever watched a single YouTube video in your life? Like seventeen gazillion other people across the wired world. yeah, you're right, nobody needs Flash. ha!
- .LAG liked that
Remember Dave Clark in 1992, "We reject kings, presidents and voting. We believe in rough consensus and running code."
- Guy Vander Heyden
.LAG: most YouTube videos are playable without Flash now. My iPhone plays most of them and it doesn't have Flash. Certainly by the time the Google OS came out YouTube would be converted completely to non-Flash capability.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: The youtube flash application helps read the flv files on Youtube's servers and provides a UI (decoder too).
- Swaroop
Even Google admits they're not sure I'd bit for bit html5 video is less bandwitj consuming than flash. And flash isn't just media delivery, also interesting games and apps like tonepad, splicemusic.com's online sequencer, etc (I'm musically inclined, so most of my examples will be along that line) and please don't suggest we redo it all in java
- Ed F
from Nambu
Does this mean the next Silverlight release is codename Seppuku?
- Jay Cuthrell
Maybe we'll see commercials encoded in movies if everything is open.
- Rodfather
Flash is too established to kill off right now, so I'd be surprised if Chrome didn't include flash support. It will take many years to get rid of that thing. First they need to fix the standard browser to not be so broken (lack of video, multi-file upload, etc), then they need everyone to switch to the new html5 solutions.
- Paul Buchheit
Scoble ...that may be true, and YouTube plays on my Pre without Flash (yet)...but that doesn't mean that "nobody needs Flash." really? what would replace it?
- .LAG liked that
So Google's NaCl http://code.google.com/p... (now integrated within Chrome/Chromium) was just a temporary workaround, right?
- Jérôme
Use HTML 5 instead!
- Minh Bui
Is it just me or does Native Client (NaCl) remind you of the Microsoft Active X approach?
- Daniel Chow
But who prevents Google from taking over the net?
- Andreas
youtube videos play on iPhone/iPod Touch as they are higher res mp4 files NOT flv files. It was a big deal when Steve negotiated that deal with youtube.
- vijay
You have Moonlight to run Silverlight applications in Linux. Not perfect, but then an application made on Silverlight is "not perfect" by definition
- Marcos Marado
The point here is that Google has no motivation to include Silverlight on these machines, and installing software likely won't be an option (it's a web appliance), so it will be absent from a lot of netbooks, just as it is absent from iPhones. That cuts into market share, which is a bad thing for a platform that is trying to compete with more universal tech like Flash and HTML....
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- Paul Buchheit
@DanielChow: NaCl has very little overlap with ActiveX, apart from running native code. It runs in a provably safe way, and explicitly does *not* allow it to access arbitrary host APIs. But it can be quite useful when you need to run code that would be too slow in Javascript (even on v8): e.g., heavy encryption/decryption, possibly codecs, definitely game physics, and so forth.
- Joel Webber
There is a time and a place for Flash and Silverlight so I hope it will run it. There are simply some things you can do which aren't possible, or practical in html/css/javascript.
- Steve Temple
Paul: why wouldn't Chrome OS come with Moonlight? And if not, why wouldn't you be able to just install it? And third, why the hell would people want Moonlight for? I never installed it and not even once felt the need to!
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
because of moonlight http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlig... the potential userbase of silverlight is greatly improved, agree that projects which don't consider compatibility are limiting their potential
- Mike Chelen
@mindboosternoori Ryanair site uses silverlight: http://www.ryanair.com/site... that's the only website I know that uses it - for this you would need moonlight :)
- Ihar Mahaniok
Flash is needed for the google os to be useful in education. Many education based websites are flash based.
- Willowdale
@Paul "Google is probably paying OEMs to ship with this OS, so instead of paying $x/machine to include windows XP, they will get paid $y/machine to include Chrome." - paying present tense, already? Isn't it enough for OEMs not to have to pay hefty licenses to Redmond, etc., while being able to ship with a free, stable OS+browser combo; they need to be paid to do that as well?
- ianf ⌘
I sure hope so. I think the wide array of JavaScript libraries have been killing Flash for years. Silverlight was never really a player. The only think keeping Flash afloat is video
- Scott Radcliff
I don't know what's under the hood of Silverlight (nobody knows), but Flash is basically a sprite engine controlled by Actionscript, which is basically an adapted version of Javascript anyway. It's nicely packaged though, and has an army of developers, so it won't go away that easily, at least not until there are Flash-to-Canvas/ HTML5 porting tools/ translators and the like.
- ianf ⌘
to follow that logic...photoshop is needed as well
- Chris Hofmann
somebody call me when http://playboyarchive.com is working in Chrome OS (it's currently implemented in Silverlight)
- Karim
If it gains any traction at all, MS will just make Silverlight version that will run on Google OS. Sure google could block it, but they haven't done so with the Chrome browser.
- Jeff Weber
Interesting. I doubt the Google OS will get that big anytime soon though.
- Scott Radcliff
from email
Silverlight doesn't have a chance now...I wonder what would Adobe Air do.
- Saad Kamal
not really, if google want to be open then they will need a plugin architecture for it and then MS could just port for it. I really don't see this troubling mainstream users any time soon.
- Darren Stuart
Though I agree with the view that MS monopoly may erode as alternative devices get adoption over PC/Notebook, and these devices will mostly run on open source OS, but it may take years to create a significant change in every day usage of normal users. In the end, OS choice is mostly done by manufacturers, and they would be happy to get paid by open source vendors for putting their OS on...
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- Kaan Bingol
People want media. Hulu, Netflix, Kindle, iTunes, etc. They need to address that or they are DOA.
- Hayes Haugen
Hayes, what makes you think it will lack media support?
- Paul Buchheit
I don't think it will lack licensed media support but what deals they are able to make will be crucial.
- Hayes Haugen
Hayes, i thought you were going to say that Netflix was using Silverlight. ;-)
- Karim
Yes, they are, what is their deal with MSFT? Can they do non Silverlight distribution?
- Hayes Haugen
i believe the Netflix non-Silverlight distribution is a format called "DVD" that works over the "Snail Mail" protocol. ;-) but clearly if Google is paying OEMs to install Chrome OS, they can pay Netflix to go back to Flash which Chrome OS will probably support "by necessity" ;-)
- Karim
How can Google make money from Chrome OS? Or does it want to make money from it except through advertisement? I still can not imagine that all software and service are free and sponsored by advertisements.
- Derek Wei
All Chrome OS questions are answered by today's Fake Steve Jobs ;)
- Hayes Haugen
Is there a need to make money? If more and more people eschew desktop offline applications in favor of online web based apps, it means more pageviews, more eyeballs, more advertising inventory, plus has the side effect of undermining a big competitor's cash cow.
- Ray Cromwell
That's the key, Google wants everything online. They figure the more people online, the stronger they become, and the more money they make. At least that what was said at the Chrome launch.
- Scott Radcliff
from email
I'm amused that the "backwards compatibility" argument against alternative operating systems has slowly turned into "does it support flash", and when you unpack that it really means "does it play YouTube". I suspect Google will make sure ChromeOS cna play YouTube and they don't need Flash to make sure of it.
- Nick Lothian
Is it possible that Microsoft will write Office for the Web using Volta instead of Silverlight? Could be a showcase announcement for their attack on GWT
- Ray Cromwell
I think Microsoft is going to focus less on the front-end of the web and more on the back-end, middle tier and database sides. Azure is a big deal that consumers aren't talking about because it's not flashy but will be pretty important to developers (and especially enterprise-level applications) when it's finally ready because everything becomes an interface to the cloud. Microsoft is...
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- Lindsay
Azure looks really cool. Hint: so did Blackbird.
- Michael R. Bernstein
lol blackbird (scary redmond flashback) - a good example of azure platform utilization can be seen via jon udell's elmcity project - http://blog.jonudell.net/elmcity...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Nosense, I want silverlight, flash, html and any other technology in my desktop & mobile phone. Silverlight? yes, there you can develop under Python, Ruby et al, instead of the outdated javascript.
- Sebastian Wain
It looks like with Native Client, you should be able to write your Chrome OS app in any language you feel like. So far, they have some examples in C/C++, but one of the things they ported is a Lua interpreter. If Adobe isn't going to invest heavily in fixing the show-stopping bugs on non-Windows versions of Flash, it's inevitably going to die, and there's really nothing either Google or Apple can do even if they wanted to support Flash better.
- Victor Ganata
...ActionScript3 is ECMASCript-compliant. I know nothing about standards bodies, and shii like that, but what if Adobe dropped ActionScript and said, "You can now use pure Javascript to build Flash applications..." It wouldn't be a big leap. I'm pretty sure that would shut-up all the Flash haters. And to the folks who say Flash is hanging around just because of video...well, video is...
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- .LAG liked that
Actionscript is just the glue for the more advanced what-iffy graphic functionality of Flash. They can not drop it for Javascript, because it contains additional graphic primitives that JS lacks. But it's not the JS-or-Actionscript that makes it a target for hate, it's other things. Nobody denies that it's pretty capable, but it is also badly written, eats up memory like no other, makes...
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- ianf ⌘
I like this post!
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
from iPhone
I honestly don't know how necessary Flash is. Apple seems to be doing fine without supporting it. But certainly Gnash and Swfdec should be implementable on Chrome OS. The fact is that without Adobe's full support on a given platform, Flash apps will always be second class citizens on alternate platforms, and so far, there's no indication that Adobe is interested in fully supporting any platform other than Windows.
- Victor Ganata
ianf ...you bring up great points about Flash's detriments, as does Victor, but until there's a better way to bring video to the Web, I can't see it disappearing. Adobe seems to keep improving the Flash VM, hopefully they'll address those CPU-hogging issues and make a more efficent runtime. Yeah, I hate hearing the fans kick-in when visiting a Flash-heavy site too. <sigh>
- .LAG liked that
alternative to flash video such as ... html5 :) (requires ff3.5) http://www.dailymotion.com/openvid...
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Ed, only??? thats one of the main reasons cited for the continued requirement of flash on popular sites like youtube
- Mike Chelen
Ed, those other uses can be accomplished through pure Javascript, video was the last remaining stumbling block
- Mike Chelen
Still waiting on non-Flash recreations of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... Well aware of how someone mentioned higher up how you can combine javascript and svg to get nifty flash-like effects. I want apps like that though ^ Only real alternatives I've seen are Java-based ones, and those runs even slower than Flash.
- Ed F
Pardon me, but the OP is a ridiculous conclusion. For that to be the case, Chrome OS would have to kill Windows, OS X, etc altogether. Paul, I understand your viewpoint as being an ex-Google person, but that's just NOT going to happen. Right now the video specification from HTML5 has been dropped because of an impasse, meaning that we may be transitioning from 1 closed-source boss - Flash - to another - H264. Good luck.
- LANjackal
But why do these type of apps have to be written in Flash at all? You can easily do the same thing in C, C++, ObjC, Python, Ruby, etc., with the Native Client API that they're building for Chrome. http://code.google.com/p...
- Victor Ganata
I'm just saying, it's not like Flash is the end-all/be-all. As Apple well demonstrates, some people can live quite well without it.
- Victor Ganata
Victor ...i think the answer to the 'why do these have to be written in Flash at all' question is because Flash is installed on such a significant portion of Web browsers. But I recall that Adobe Flex had a competitor, Laszlo/OpenLaszlo, which compiled apps to SWF or to Javascript. Who's to say that Adobe doesn't have the same capability of making SWF apps into JS ones? On one hand, it...
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- .LAG liked that
Ed, such apps are possible with Javascript and HTML5 multimedia features, the question will be how difficult developers find it, and whether the performance is fast enough
- Mike Chelen
LANjackal, there is a question of degree in that Flash + H264 uses proprietary software and codec, while HTML5 + H264 requires only the codec. while OGV is no longer part of the spec, it can certainly still be used to have completely open video formats, and recent comparisons have shown it performs well http://people.xiph.org/~maikme...
- Mike Chelen
Silverlight's 3 is looking pretty impressive today but tend to agree
- Charlie Anzman
What everybody seems to be missing about Flash is that it works because there is one implementation which is mostly backwards-compatible and the same across platforms. It beat Java because, among other reasons, Java just didn't work the same across JVMs and platforms. The problem with HTML5 is that it will have a different implementation for every browser, and that means your app/game...
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- Gabe
Paul, don't you prefer brutal competition SL vs. Flash vs. standards bring to the table by definition? Or are you more into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - 2020 Google Union - type of ideology?
- Kari Honkanen
Kari, I don't understand your question. Competition is good, but with open-source we get that -- no need for flash or SL.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, no, we don't get the same level of competition with open-source only. As long as there's an opportunity for big gains (like in this case to bridge the gap before html 5 era...to satisfy demand), there will be innovations driven by that. I believe we all benefit from a free market economy that includes commercial, closed source, innovations. I am more scared of the possible future...
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- Kari Honkanen
I wouldn't worry too much amount multimedia. By exposing WebGL, (and hopefully OpenCL), you can offload a lot of compute intensive stuff onto the GPU via GPGPU techniques, and NativeClient is there to take up the rest of the slack, but the for the vast majority of iPhone-like games, I'm willing to bet V8 Javascript on a modern processor is more than enough. That leaves licensing issues...
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- Ray Cromwell
Paul, so are you saying that Google will block both Flash and Silverlight from ChromeOS? That's a new take on 'open.'
- Cliff Gerrish
MSFT next smart move: get Chrome OS (it's BSD licensed), inject IE9 and Silverlight into it and go benchmark against Chrome :)
- Claudio Cicali
MSFT sucks Claudio :)
- Orlando Pozo
Something feels contradictory about a system touted to 'kill' competitors being 'open'. Sounds almost predatory to me.
- Karoli
I'm not opposed to non-open software, but for OS, browser, etc I prefer that it be open. Cliff, Google isn't going to "block" anything, but they can certainly choose what to include, and my guess is that they won't include SL. As Claudio points out, MSFT can make their own version of ChromeOS that includes SL, which is why open source software is nice (it can't be crippled too much or else someone will fork it).
- Paul Buchheit
I have heard somewhere that Fash uses it's own port where Silverlight works over the HTTP port. That's why Netflix works so well. To that, Flash costs more on a sever side because providers can charge more for that port traffic. Could it come down to who is cheaper? (I am fully prepared to be wrong).
- Johnny
Johnny, they both use HTTP -- there's no difference there.
- Paul Buchheit
Is Chrome OS BSD-licensed? I thought it was using a Linux kernel.
- Victor Ganata
@Paul - well, Flash can do P2P stuff over non-HTTP posts, but that is very new (Flash 10 I think). The cost isn't affected anyway.
- Nick Lothian
My understanding is that netbooks would have to be absurdly popular for Chrome OS to make a dent in the popularity of Flash or SL.
- Gabe
it is possible to have smaller groups for open source software, such as google's own gears api http://code.google.com/apis...
- Mike Chelen
How is HTML 5 going to defeat Flash and SL? I haven't used it, but I don't see anything in the spec that looks like it could compare.
- Gabe
@Gabe - what do you think HTML5 is missing? It does video, drawing, local storage, "threading" via WebWorkers. The biggest hole I'm aware of is the lack of access to webcams & microphones. What have I missed?
- Nick Lothian
Nick: When you say HTML 5 has "drawing", are you refering to the Canvas element? I would not consider an immediate-mode procedural raster drawing library to be much of a competitor to retained-mode declarative vector libraries like SVG or Silverlight. Programming with the Canvas tag is sort of the equivalent of programming in assembly language for bitmaps.
- Gabe
@Gabe: I think you've got it upside-down. A Canvas-style API is the fundamental basis on which you can build a retained mode structure like SVG, et al. If a platform includes a retained-mode library as a convenience, so be it. You can build SVG on Canvas, but not the other way around (hacks like IECanvas notwithstanding -- they have horrible performance characteristics and are a nasty abstraction inversion).
- Joel Webber
So, if Moonlight (Mono) runs on linux -- Will google make sure it doesn't work on Chrome OS?
- Cliff Gerrish
Joel: I don't think you said anything contrary to what I said. I just don't understand why any programmer would want to waste time writing an app using a low-level library when I could use a high-level library that implements everything for me.
- Gabe
@Gabe - I agree, and people are implementing those libraries now. See http://raphaeljs.com/ for example. Also, don't underestimate the convenience factor. I don't own any Flash development tools, but my text editor works pretty well for Canvas+JS based stuff.
- Nick Lothian
Nick: Didn't the author of raphael have some massive rant about how bad the Canvas element is? And I don't have any Flash dev tools either, but I use a text editor for most of my Silverlight development. It is incredibly convenient to be able to type something like <DataGrid ItemsSource="{Binding tabledata}"/> into a text editor and not have to create the data grid myself.
- Gabe
Why is Flash a "necessity" for an OS? I enjoy what flash can do, but it is like putting pimped out leather Oldsmobile seats in a Ferrari. It would definitely be nice, but certainly not a necessity.
- Dan Douglass
Early post goof up. To your original point, I agree. I like how Google is approaching the internet space with web apps that can be run with out a bloated browser.
- Dan Douglass
Dan Douglass: Flash is necessary because so many web sites rely on it. How many people would want to get a netbook that couldn't play FaceBook games or watch YouTube videos? Of course Google is in the unique position of being able to make YouTube work on ChromeOS without Flash, but they probably can't do anything about Hulu, Vimeo, or any of the other video sites out there that require Flash.
- Gabe
Anyone else think Joy is Spam?
- Chris Myles
already reported it yesterday :)
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