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Jeffrey Veen
As much as I love Google Reader, that little smiley face suddenly showing up everywhere is really annoying me.
Would it be less annoying if we gave you more powerful ways of consuming it? Or if it was at the bottom? - Jenna Bilotta
When the number of smileys is more related to the size of the audience, and every post from popular sites will have several smileys, and the smileys are from strangers, it becomes meaningless to me. - Kevin Fox
+1 Kevin. I'd rather just see Likes from my friends, or maybe friends of friends as well - Roshan Vyas
You only want to see your friends' likes then? - EricaJoy
Do you find the general "interestingness" factor valuable at all? To me, when I'm scanning and I see that a bunch of people have liked something, it's a signal to me to pay a bit more attention. You wouldn't get that info if we moved likes to the bottom. - Jenna Bilotta
Public likes are far more powerful in terms of signals that we can use to create other "just for you" or "popular right now" streams. We do realise that Friends and friends of friends is more interesting on the surface, which is why we look through the list of likers and expand out your friends and collapse the rest. But the data around what content is good in reader has SO much potential for both publishers and consumers. - Jenna Bilotta
@Jenna If there were a way to have a way to see the most interest posts of the day, it'd be a really useful feature. But I feel like it would be overrepresented by tech blogs - right now the most Likes I'm seeing are on tech blogs like Gizmodo - Roshan Vyas
Yep. We have lots of plans in the work (that just didn't make this release) for the consumption side of things that will truly demonstrate the power of truly public liking. We have gotten the creation (you can like stuff) and discovery (you can see others who like things that you like) but are working on the consumption side (using likes as a way to read things). - Jenna Bilotta
For me, the value of 20 likes vs 4 likes is lost because it depends just as much on audience size as on post quality. It would be great if you took 'like' data and translated it into a normalized score against other items from that feed ('hot', or a little green bar like the old pagerank bar or something). The other thing is this data *needs* to be visible in the collapsed views, otherwise it's a bit worthless for quality evaluation, since I'm more likely to evaluate by content that's already open in front of me rather than let a score decide whether I should read words already on the screen. - Kevin Fox
I'm reacting entirely to the placement and visual weight of the element. It feels injected into the area that "belongs" to the author of the post. I don't necessarily share Kevin's reaction; I think there can be a lot of value to interestingness -- the work Shaun Inman is doing on Fever is very cool, even if the way he distributes his app is esoteric. - Jeffrey Veen
Don't misunderstand me, Jeff: I value interestingness as well, but I want a cleaner signal. My comment was that 5 'likes' on my friend's blog equates to far more interestingness than 25 'likes' on BoingBoing because BoingBoing's GReader audience is 200 times larger. I also have thoughts on the placement (some mentioned above) and expected sharing behavior (but that's more FriendFeed consistency bias creeping in). - Kevin Fox
Fair point, Kevin. Friends' interestingness and public interestingness have separate value. BTW, the FriendFeed implementation of exposing 'likes' doesn't bother me at all, but I think that has to do with the fact that I use FF for pointers and commenting, rather than actually consuming content. - Jeffrey Veen
@jeff you hit the nail on the head. Though we get compared to Friendfeed, twitter and Facebook quite a lot (especially these days) we are still *primarily* a content consumption product. If you examine our social features in isolation (as many journalists and bloggers are doing lately) it seems that excluding everything else, our social features don't create a complete picture. And I totally get that twitter is all the rage right now and it's easy to forget that sometimes people just want to read high quality content in full. Which is what reader's core value is. We use the social layer to augment reading styles in various different ways and the UI is reflective of the fact that we are consumption first and social second.. which is why likes and comments don't affect ranking in all items view. - Jenna Bilotta
woh. I just wrote a comment so long that friendfeed told me they'd hide it behind a link. have I "arrived"? :) - Jenna Bilotta
When do we get 'poke' where we can prod a feed author to update their blog? - Kevin Fox
@kfox hee. That's called IM or public twitter shaming. :) - Jenna Bilotta
(Man, this conversation is Friendfeed at its best! It's so great to be able to easily observe, participate in, and enjoy a discussion among people I respect, talking about ideas/opinions I'm interested in. Thanks guys!) - Adam Kazwell
awh, shux. - Jenna Bilotta
(hands clasped behind back, eyes downcast, turning toe into the ground) - Kevin Fox
Am I the only one who finds Bill's comment hilarious given the ones right above? - jakebf