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leolaporte: The Twitter-Bing deal underscores the problem with data silos. Shouldn't search be universal? They're my tweets, not theirs. - http://twitter.com/leolapo...
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If they're "your tweets" why do you put them in Twitter? The 'silos' argument continues to leak oil. Search is what search vendors make it -- nothing is universal.
- Cliff Gerrish
It's a net neutrality issue. Twitter offers full access to the stream of data (our tweets) only to the highest bidder, not universally. ALL search engines (and others) should have full and equal access to this dataset.
- Leo Laporte
Totally agree with Leo, a worst case scenario is Bing gets exclusive access to both FB and Twitter. At that point everyone needs to get working on PubSubHubBub, rssCloud and/or FriendFeed2 and decentralize social networks. They are becoming a basic communication mechanism and they seem to reside under the control of 3-4 people. Imagine if email had been under the control of 2 companies for the last couple decades.
- Ed Millard
Completely agree with Leo, I wasn't sure of this but they way Leo puts it, makes clear that its net neutrality issue
- Veetrag
Right on Leo. I first heard about this stuff from Brian Hendrickson and Dave Winer, but Marc Canters been raising hell about it for a while.
- Mark Essel
Net neutrality is forced upon companies by us, the users. That's why I think this will never become any issue. We can just drop Twitter for something else like identi.ca if we start to feel locked in. There are always other solutions and other platforms waiting for us. That's is what's so great about the Internet.
- Rutger Blom
Sounds like a nationalize Twitter argument to me. All search engines may spider the public pages. Why should they also have access to Twitter's internals?
- Cliff Gerrish
And since they're "your tweets" why don't you publish them or make them available to search engines yourself. Wouldn't that be the most 'distributed' solution?
- Cliff Gerrish
Exactly.
- Rutger Blom
Um, isn't net neutrality about access to the net? It doesn't guarantee access to data; I, for one, don't want my bank records, for example, to be freely accessible to any search engine. Or anyone else for that matter.
- Mistletoe Glen
In addition, it looks like Google will also have a deal with Twitter. The Bing deal is non-exclusive. The introduction of the term 'net neutrality' is completely orthogonal.
- Cliff Gerrish
I can see his point I mean yeah they are his/our words. But aren't we giving up ownership of those words in exchange for using their service? Yeah I bitch about things like, reliability issues with services like twitter all the time but its free. And in using it I have [been] exposed to ideas and opinions I otherwise might not have been.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
J. Abdul-Qahar: true enough, I was thinking about this today: the value proposition of web sites that connect people. Somehow they draw us in, and instigate us to share, and interact in ways we might normally not have. I have met so many wonderful folks online, and gotten so much incredible information, all for the price of my attention and time. My only wish is that I get to keep my social connections somehow, external to the networks which draw us all in.
- Mark Essel
Look, friendfeed is awesome. Will it remain that way without development, certainly not over the long run. They could open the source base, and allow open source development to keep it rich, and I think ads would pay for server costs. Just let it go and live or die on its own.
- Mark Essel
The basic FF Tornado server is already open source. It has demos with basic functionality, Google login authentication very simple blog, chat and facebook client. Unfortunately I don't think they've open sourced the actual FF server so it would be quite a bit of development work to get Tornado back to the same level of functionality as the current FF server. Hard to say if you could pull it off and get the existing FF user base to migrate in tact and then grow it again.
- Ed Millard
For me its like this. Since I'm not paying ANY money for using a service, when the owners/developers hatch what seems like a well laid plan (or even a hair brained scheme) intended to provide the funds necessary to keep the service going; what can I say? Except of course, good luck. As for open source ff, as hard as they have worked on it, I cant see asking, or expecting them to "hand it over to the community" just because we like it.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
We're likely to migrate anyway. Most of us already use many social tools, and information searching/aggregating resources. But unfortunately, without dedicated support I can't see friendfeed keeping up with alternatives, even alternatives as limited as the other social streams I use (facebook, Twitter).
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
To be honest I don't really want tweets to be in search. It's bad enough that engines are filled with crappy blogs* and price comparison sites. I want my search to be authoritative. Seems lille this will creat a)noise b)tweet 'seo' and c) tweet seo 'experts'. *unless your a spammer this is unlikely to refer to you
- Phill Price
from iPhone
Phill: sorry, there are SOME Tweets that will help search. I'm seeing those come through all the time. http://twitter.com/favorit... has more than six thousand tweets -- all of which should be on search.
- Robert Scoble
Glen: "net neutrality" and "universal access", I'm sure you know, are the government's buzzwords they're using to ram their toe into the door. Next comes the rest of the foot, then the calf, and when they're finished they've opened the door wide so that THEY have access to all of the data as well. It's for the children, ya know.
- Craig Eddy
I want realtime search. Are Bing and Google going to provide this? Otherwise there are other tools that do a better job. Like TweetDeck.
- Rutger Blom
Rutger: my tweet showed up on Bing nearly instantly yesterday. So that's pretty real time to me. Bing and Google have access to the FULL firehose feed. Real time is here baby! Now, is it useful? That's another question.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: didn't know that. Sounds awesome.
- Rutger Blom
The cost of search will be proportional to demand, according to the theory. $D
- Donald C. Lindsay
Robert: how does bing compare in overall latency to friendfeed search?
- Mike Chelen
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- Veetrag
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- Veetrag
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Entrepreneurial Judo is the one where you exploit bad habits of competitors. Is starts with a beach-head and once the opponent establishes his position on that limited zone, it moves up to invade the whole market. It's always market focused and market driven. Typically, the established leader overlooks the unexpected change patterns in consumer's reality or uses its monopolistic power to cream the market and does not innovate, giving small players areas to exploit.
- Veetrag
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- Veetrag
A new way to tell whether a web service has gone mainstream or not:
Alex Kapranoff, Jason Pollock, Eugene Choo and 20 other people liked this
If Scobleizer is at the top of most popular list for the service, the web service has NOT gone mainstream yet. For instance, a year ago I was at top of Twitter. Today, no. But today I'm at the top of FriendFeed. When I get passed you will know this has gone mainstream. Compare Twitter's popular: http://twitterholic.com/ with FriendFeed's http://www.ffholic.com/Users...
- Robert Scoble
You are way ahead of Kim Kardashian on here. Congrats.
- Ben Hanten
I say when porn starts move to a service, it becomes mainstream. Same happened to Twitter, streaming videos and so on.
- Veetrag
Yes, Twitter gamed this list by doing a suggested user list (@techcrunch had fewer followers than I did before they did this list and didn't put me on it) but lots of these people would have passed me anyway like @oprah -- so, this is how you can check if a service has gone mainstream.
- Robert Scoble
I've mixed feelings about the day other folks (celebrities, social media experts) fly past you on the subscribed list Robert. Happy for friendfeed, sad for the current users.
- Mark Essel
I thought it was when a Hollywood celeb claimed he or she was responsible for the societal adoption
- Keith Barrett
Seems reaonable
- David Damore
It is interesting, though, that popularity over on Twitter hasn't passed over to popularity on FriendFeed. Most followers that come from "mainstream" won't try new things.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: I expect it. The real measure, by the way, is NOT follower counts, which is why these lists aren't very good, but engagement. Do people click favorite, retweet, like, comment, do things because of the content you are making and the things you are putting into the system. That's the real measure of popularity that I wish sites like ffholic would track.
- Robert Scoble
@Oprah doesn't follow back, so she's not as much fun as you are.
- RobinDotNet
+ Robert!
- Myrna
Robin: that's not why I'm more fun. I'll actually comment back. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Ah, the John Lennon test. ("The Beatles are bigger than Jesus.") ??? (not meant to be as snarky as it sounds)
- Laura Scott (@lauras)
Robert -- EXACTLY! Oprah's just using it to broadcast stuff, and not often at that. Zzzzzzz.
- RobinDotNet
Robin: I hate the idea that being followed is what makes you important. I wish that those numbers wouldn't be published in public. I'd far prefer seeing an "interaction" number. That would still show popularity (after all, if 20 people are following me, and 10 are following you, and we interact the same, I would still have twice the number of you). Actually, I wonder how you could measure that?
- Robert Scoble
One of the things that bugs me about Twitter is that they refer to those you follow as your "friends". I actually don't like the term followers either. I don't "follow" @aplusk nor am I his friend. I read his tweets because once in a while he says something interesting. I do have friends on Twitter, but most of the people I read have never corresponded with me and they do not read my...
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- Paul The Raven
Paul: Exactly. I made a "get satisfaction" request of Twitter a year ago to allow us to create categories of people, so I could distinguish my real friends from people I just follow. It got some support, but was never done. One of the many ways Friendfeed is better.
- Keith Barrett
@Keith Barrett The beauty of Twitter is its simple model, complicate like you are suggesting and it will implode. There are plenty of apps that provide those functions, like Tweetdeck, Seesmic - use them if you wish to break out into categories.
- Amy Flynn
Robert! I love your new new measuring tool! I am going to ask every service I encounter what their "Scoble Number" is and if they can't provide me one, I'm walking!! ;-) I'll take it a step further, I think all blogs should have a Scoble Number we can display, the number of visits and reads from Scoble! The Scoble System... it's plan and it's doable! You on it?
- Amy Flynn
Amy: heh. That is taking things too far.
- Robert Scoble
What's the "Scoble Number" on MySpace ... I hear it's the next big thing. ;)
- Paul Holmes
After unfollowing everyone on Twitter I get why some hate FriendFeed: there you see tons of noise from people you didn't follow.
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Comments let everyone participate.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Friend-of-friend feature brings tons of people into your view.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Hallelujah!
- Sally Church
I wish we could make FriendFeed into JUST an aggregator.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I think a simple switch that let you turn off FoaF completely, and/or only show FoaF for comments, not likes, would go a long way to cleaning things up.
- Ken Sheppardson
Even though there is conversation on FF, we can't have proper threaded conversation and that results in noise.
- Veetrag
I mean the options are there to turn off FoaF once you "Hide" an item, but they're buried.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert: so, you're not interested in having an open conversation on friendfeed anymore? That surprises me.
- Joel
Ken: you can turn off FOAF: click on hide twice.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I noticed you're not following me but I didn't take it personal. I'm still following you, I learn a lot from you so keep smiling buddy. I still think you're the shit. :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Couldn't agree more~~ Just too much information to handle by a human beings
- Yunkwan Chen
from feedalizr
Joel: I am but most people are not.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Interesting that this item only got one response on Twitter so far.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Sean: cool, I have trained you well! :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@Scoble one response on twitter shows that, people like to see what others are replying too. We can't see that on Twitter.
- Veetrag
Robert, you can easily turn FF into just an aggregator. Feed your services in and don't interact. The only thing missing is an account setting to automatically disabnle comments on all of your posts, which can easily be requested in the Feedback room. Or, make your feed private so no one can see items to commeent upoon them.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
from fftogo
Robert - So, how does this insight affect your view of FF now?
- phil baumann
Phil: it makes me want better display options in FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
This real-time group discussion on FriendFeed is totally different from Twitter but I can't help but feel if you spend your time here, you might miss out on the general Twitter feed.
- Ken Seto
Ken: What is the advantage of general twitter feed, if all the twitter feed is anyways directed to FF?
- Veetrag
Robert - what kinds of additional options would you like rolled out?
- phil baumann
Well I'm not seeing anything happening on FriendFeed other than comments in this discussion
- Ken Seto
Phil: it also makes me want real mobile clients.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I need a TweetDeck for FriendFeed :D
- Ken Seto
Robert, do you think to get 'real' feed mobiles have to support flash. because i believe with heavy JS would be unstable on mobile platforms.
- Veetrag
Ken - Have you tried PeopleBrowsr?
- phil baumann
Robert, the way I see it, everyone's definition of "social media" is different. Some people will tolerate a little higher noise in their S/N ratio to glean extra information from open conversations on FF/Twitter. Others may want to eliminate the noise and just focus on a few select feeds. That's the beauty of social media, you can (within limitations of the software you use) determine your own level of interaction.
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Will take a look at PeopleBrowsr, thanks
- Ken Seto
Phil: I want to see a TRUE river of news. No popping up of things that get engagement. I want to see NO comments exposed. I want a REAL best of day (the ones I currently get show me old items. That is a start.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Jack: that is true which is why we need better display options.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert - so perhaps an option to for a collapsed view (text only - sort of like a reader) with options to define what comes up in the view. (I guess that would bring us back to some sort of modified social RSS :)
- phil baumann
Phil: yes!!!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Phil : We would also need a way in which we can like/unlike comments too. That will help us read only priority content. It can be one way around smaller screens.
- Veetrag
Robert - this somewhat reminds me of Muhammad Saleem's post comparing FriendFeed and SocialThing from March 2008. His goal was an aggregator, not another social network: http://muhammadsaleem.com/2008...
- Hutch Carpenter
But wouldn't using FF as an aggregator just make it more like a social RSS feed service? For my personal social media paradigm I would miss out on the conversation part of FF. Of course your paradigm may be different :O)
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Jack: I would keep that option on FOR ME but tons of others tell me they hate coming here because of the noise. I totally grok that now.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I'll use Twitter and FriendFeed though, both were just great.
- Vince Ong
Understood. I appreciate that Robert. One of the things that initially drew me to FF was the ability to interact with people such as yourself. I would truly hate if we lost that ability, Of course I am sure your noise is a whole heck of a lot louder than mine :O)
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Until FriendFeed makes hide even easier, this will continue to happen. People are generally too lazy to use hide to the fullest. I don't know if it's a design issue or a user issue, but people don't like to use it.
- Bwana ☠
I think it is a design issue. There are too many features stuck under the hide link.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Good point Robert. But where else do you put those links??
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
I've been loudly raising precisely the issues which Robert Scoble mentions in this post for over a year -- with zero feedback from Friendfeed developers. This is why Friendfeed's growth has been flat and will continue to remain flat. (But Friendfeed is still a great platform, even in its imperfect and much too noisy state.)
- Sean McBride
It amazes me that as of August 9, 2009, Friendfeed's developers, who seem to be brilliant in most respects, still have no appreciation of the importance of elementary design features like list view and the separation of unread from read items. The mind boggles. I really don't get it. And they don't seem to be interested in the hottest field in news reading and management: smart news recommender systems.
- Sean McBride
A fact that seems relevant to this thread: I discovered this post in the FFHolic Most Discussed feed in the Featured Sources box on Feedly's My Digest page. I stopped trying to read the chaotic torrent on Friendfeed's home page a long time ago -- a poor investment of one's time and energy. Without Feedly's elegant user interface, I wouldn't have seen this post.
- Sean McBride
I think the second thing i did on FriendFeed was to remove friends-of-friends because of you.
- Sam Pullara
REPORT: iTunes 9 to Support Twitter, Facebook, and Last.fm - http://mashable.com/2009...
Andre P. Siregar, Manuel Mas, Jack Wilson, K4SAC and 3 other people liked this
This is a great news. Can't wait for it.
- Veetrag
Twitter is down. Oh, what will the SEO experts, the celebrities, the spammers, the bots, and the social media experts do?
Asha Tampa, Bruce Lerner, Laurentiu and 221 other people liked this
Come to FF!
- Simon Wicks
Give Friendfeed a shot?
- Rubin Sfadj
Hang out on FF
- Roberto Bonini
Hopefully they don't come to FriendFeed :)
- Robert J Taylor
they will spam friendfeed instead?
- Denis
They are so freeeking out.
- SolidSmack
I couldn't tweet about it, so I told my wife instead.
- Patrick Lightbody
Big ups to the FriendFeed massive!
- Josette Torres
I tried retweeting that. *sigh*
- Andy McIlwain
Call them to join friendfeed, and make
- Madhav Tripathi
Hopefully FF won't get killed by the Tweeters flocking over here.
- phil baumann
ok.. here ya go..twitter being down has forced me here. Haven;t tried FF yet so...
- cheapsuits
just like ya possibly twiddle their thumbs...
- Baba
I suspect the bots will rejoice....
- walidmREALTOR
Let's see where these so-called "social media experts" go to fill the void of Twitter.
- Christian
I can't open twitzap.com
- ybs
Can FF servers manage such a massive movement?
- Samuel Goëta
since bots supply at least 25% of Twitter traffic, should we feel the worst for them right now?
- Kevin Norman
write a post about twitter being down as a threat to humanity, may be?:)
- Nikos Anagnostou
Twitter down... can't post on Facebook,,. so it's FriendFeed!
- carrotmadman6
So your're not responsible for that ? Strange... :-)
- Enikao
lay on the floor and spin in circles
- SolidSmack
Maybe the SocMedExperts will go back to Plurk since Scoble likes Friendfeed. :)
- Jay Gilmore
thank God, now we can get back to work
- E.P. Scott
if they are the experts they claim to be then they should be here!
- Mark V. Fusco
Facebook seems frakked too.
- Gregg Le Blanc
I get tweet trough tweetdeck...
- Giorgio
I need serious help with FF. For an idiot like me this isn't so intuitive really. Help section is nice but I need someone to hold my hand ..bleeech. Don't get me wrong I am sorry I was reluctant to try FF before
- cheapsuits
I blame Scoble. It's always his fault :-)
- Keith Barrett
but how am I going to tell the world I need a cup of tea???? nooooooo
- Rachel Clarke
Giorgio - I'm seeing some activity through the Twitter API, too (that's what TweetDeck uses, I believe); not a lot, but some
- Robert J Taylor
I thought it was just my connection. ;-) I'm also having problems with Facebook today.
- Timothy Federwitz
yeah, it seems the web interface is down but the api is working..
- Giorgio
I think the social media experts are going to spend the next hour talking about Twitter being down
- Keith Barrett
Maybe read a book for a change?
- Yiorgos Adamopoulos
Scoble's followers where the glue keeping Twitter together! now that he's 'pulled the pin' and released them all, Twitter has fallen down and can't get up.
- MikeAmundsen
Seems to me like some sort of an (DDoS) attack on Twitter and Facebook.
- Jari Hakkarainen
I'm so lost this morning without my cup-o-Twitter
- frank barry
You broke it Bob! All this follow/unfollow madness.
- ZuDfunck
They'll comment on it, much like I just did.
- Marlin Forbes
Man imagine if this had happened on #followfriday...
- Rob Paller
Yiorgas: read a book for a change? I do that anyway, but only about 10/month. need more twitter time to balance it out
- Rachel Clarke
Facebook is copying twitter too closely...even to going down at the same time
- Robert Littlejohn
Does Twitter have what it takes to be a big player? We've been working with their API on a project and every time there is something out of whack. Anyone else have the same issues?
- Chris Nadeau
twitter is really down, I think twitter itself should have a site that tweets when it's down :)
- Ata İsmet Özçelik
They will use FF to inform their friend that twitter is down
- Didier Girard
They'll use Identi.ca ;)
- Nicholas James
No actually the blog: http://status.twitter.com/ ("We are determining the cause and will provide an update shortly.")
- Patrick Mackaaij
Show up here I'm thinking. :-)
- Dion Hinchcliffe
Huge exodus to FF!
- akihito
We will start feeding friends and keeping up our identi.ca 's
- JuneM
They're probably crying so loud right now that they can't do a thing ;-)
- Caio Cesar
What's been the longest twitter outage on record thus far?
- Dusty Edenfield
hmm at least they found a solution with a blog :)
- Ata İsmet Özçelik
I don't understand why you maintain an account when you have such contempt for Twitter & those who use it.
- Liz
they will cry in their soup
- Bobby Griffith
holiday
- Ronald
it's back up. made ya look
- Kevin Norman
Strangely, search.twitter.com is up.
- Marlin Forbes
Tokyo: I already have a private group setup. Sort of like a bomb shelter in case the rats take over.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
i noticed that twitter is down... anyone know how facebook is ssOOO slow 2...????
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
Just noticed it...
- k00pa
do not waste time and do their job :D
- Roldano
twitter outage and news of the PubSubHubbub feature in Google Reader (http://is.gd/24YvH) make FF look pretty good right now.
- Dusty Edenfield
facebook too! i guess i'm going to have to do something like "get a life" which is abhorrent to me... ^_^
- Kayce Maisel
friendfeed is having some issues but for the most part is still up and going :)
- (jeff)isageek
find another medium such as friendfeed ;).
- rick
Roger, Mr. Scoble!
- akihito
@Sebastian they connected somehow... ahhh scary :)
- Dani Martínez
good. so not the only one with issues with FB.. wel atleast is FF is going strong..
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
what we all are going to do??? =) but if seriously i remember this video on youtube - trouble with twitter: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- obolonskyi
They will all sit in their chair and stare at their monitor!
- Gabe Diaz
@Dani, who knows... the might merge or something... explain the strange twitter is pulling fb down 2..
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
Did Scoble bring Twitter and FB down as he unfollowed everyone ? winks -)
- Del_
This is still up... even this FF tweet. http://search.twitter.com/search...
- Johann Chiang
In the event that twitter goes down I tend to frequent FF more.
- © b e e n s w a n k
This is very interesting that it is impacting more than one social network ... can't even speculate what the cause is yet. Not getting much work done today I'm afraid, going to be following these conversations..
- Joe Magennis
I haven't been on twitter for days. I guess I picked the wrong morning to jump back in.
- Jeff Stannard
Robert: The most important question>> How many new sign-ups for FF today?
- K.N. Ajit Narayan
...and who wins? FF great :)
- Dani Martínez
Was just able to post to Facebook but took several tries. Wow. FF FTW!
- Tom Guarriello
so!!
- abdellah
The smart ones will go to FriendFeed ;)
- Helene
The spammers should go to MySpace...
- Dennis Bjørn Petersen
Tweeple will come to FriendFeed!
- LauraLee Dooley
That's why I joined FF a while back. Then I found all the useful features- and the bonus is having Scoble here to show the way.
- Brenda Young
No, the smart ones are ALREADY on FriendFeed :)
- Susan Beebe
and?
- abdellah
@obolonskyi nice. vid.. ROFL... never seen it before...
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
GUILTY ! I have had a FF account for awhile just never used it--
- cheapsuits
What the celebrities like you do. Talk about it on Twitter.
- Tad Chef
This actually made me laugh out loud, because I was thinking the same thing!
- Dan
This kind of reminds me of a line from Office Space: "I must have put a decimal point in the wrong place or something. Shit. I always do that. I always mess up some mundane detail."
- Jari Hakkarainen
haha lets get FF down also :D
- Salim Sarımurat
Could this mean that CNBC was right??? Nooooooooooo!
- Travis Koger
I was planning to unfollow a bunch of followers due to Twitter's follow limit rule kicking in at the ~#2000 user level. I have to wait with that then... ;)
- Martin Lindeskog
FF FTW
- Eran Even-Kesef
Is the Twitter bubble bursting?
- Travis Tasset
Let's see how well Friendfeed handles this Twitter outage :)
- Rene Silva
Re previous comment of mine, 'Nooooooo!' was for CNBC being right, not that twitter is dead. ;)
- Travis Koger
life goes on
- Eran Even-Kesef
Hey don't tell anyone about this FF thing, its our little secret
- Jeff Wiant
Twitter better be back up by the time Rick Sanchez is on CNN this afternoon or he won't know what to talk about ;)
- cjcubs
telnet 80 twitter.com ?
- Gordon Joly
@gordon wont work
- k00pa
FF was down for me for about 10 min just now.
- Dusty Edenfield
Blogger's having some trouble as well
- Crispin Heath
No address associated with nodename (twitter.com)
- Gordon Joly
If friend feed ever gets as popular as twitter were will everyone go to to avoid the popular crowd?
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Panic?
- Dean Clark
@scobleizer I'm seeing issues with twitter and facebook. Social website attack?
- Michael Fierro
Panic? Aren't we all used to this already? :)
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
if this is the North Koreans with a coordinated attack I WILL laugh
- cheapsuits
@scobleizer I'm seeing issues with twitter and facebook. Social website attack?
- Michael Fierro
Robert, please follow back 106,000 and everything will be ok))) joke =)
- obolonskyi
I can not play 140mafia!!! This sucks sooooo bad :(
- Sam Beckett
Twitter outage is causing issues with both facebook and friendfeed. I guess we know where everyone is going instead of twitter.
- April Russo (app103)
facebook? no way :)
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
Twitter being down is a a relief to me this morning! Now I can stay OFF it rather than fitting it into every 30 second change of task! n
- Arleen Anderson
at this rate they will have to start sending out junk mail via the post office again... oh the humanity
- Terry Bruce
Let's all chat on Friendfeed
- johnpiercy
from iPhone
Nothing seems to work, I think it will be the Friend Feed greatest traffic boost ever
- Jacob Kobi Gamliel
guys, is it Ddos attack? or smth like that? as I understand twitter is hosting somewhere and this datacenter is down. am i right?
- obolonskyi
FriendFeed traffic is rocking now...
- Jacob Kobi Gamliel
social media "experts" might need to actually find other work to do.
- Luis Sandoval
thanks God, Youtube is working
- obolonskyi
More info needed. Where is there an alternate feed to real time news?
- SenderOK
seems unlikely I'll do anything productive in the interim
- WarLord
Hopefully they will move to FF :)
- Martynas
it could be ff provocation
- obolonskyi
I feel like we are all stranded on a tropical Island together
- Jeff Wiant
was afraid for a moment that out IT blocked all social networks or something horrible like that. Thank god FF came back up quickly. This might have gotten me to use FF more. I often neglect it.
- Ryan Cummins
Wondered why tweetdeck wasn't loading anything. actually got some programming work done. lol
- Justin Long
friendfeed rules!
- Kevin Dolan
twits will move, but only until twitter is back online, then there will be a mass exodus. Remember during all of the 2007/2008 fail whales users still flocked back to it regardless.
- Travis Koger
Twitter, Facebook, now Posterous... 4chan organize an attack or something?
- Sam Harrelson
from IM
Thank goodness FF is still working. :)
- 3Cinteractive, L.L.C.
from twhirl
Friendfeed + Facebook :)
- Rafa Lacerda
From status.twitter.com: "Site is down 1 hour ago. We are determining the cause and will provide an update shortly."
- Martin Lindeskog
Having issues with Facebook as well as Twitter. Can sign into FB but unable to go to anyones profiles- process just hangs
- outofmyarse
chinese attack? :)
- Roldano
Touché Robert, Touché
- Jeff Woelker
from twhirl
"We are defending against a denial-of-service attack, and will update status again shortly." from Twitter Status
- Kurt Jarchow
North Koreans I tell ya....
- cheapsuits
took inordinate amount of time to get into ff today as well
- A Zmaj
Hmmm DoS attack...someone wanting a ransom from Twitter?
- Mike Gargano
Guess they'll have to either pick up the phone or do some work :)
- Graham Bunting
Can someone with 94k followers really mock the the celebs and experts devoid of Twitter?
- Augie Ray
Hey, no bogus follow messages in my inbox for a while! ;-)
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
This is teaching us something about the framework of the current Internet traffic patterns. We're watching cascade scale problems from one major Internet program going down.
- Melanie Reed
Facebook is giving up the ol', "Transport error (#1001) while retrieving data from endpoint `/ajax/inline_comments.php': A network error occurred. Check that you are connected to the internet" message now.
- 3Cinteractive, L.L.C.
from twhirl
I think this is bigger than Twitter and FB... I think it's some interweb routes or something. I had a VoIP call going with a party local to me and two across the country and I lost the two across the country, but maintained the local party. And others are commenting on other sites showing signs of outages.
- Timothy Federwitz
from Alert Thingy
Twitter is Down....panic..run.,,SOS!
- Veetrag
Yeah, had all the characteristics of a DDoS attack. What do perpetrators of such attacks get from doing that, I've never understood.
- Jari Hakkarainen
What will they do? Use FriendFeed!
- Chuck Huckaby
It's official. Twitter's problem is a DoS attack per twitter/status.
- Roger Jennings
shhhh they'll come here
- andy brudtkuhl
The real bummer for me is, now I actually have to listen to the radio to get the word of the day!
- Travis Owen
is twitter connected with FB or Friendfeed? I am having page errors with both, Ajax issues with FB intermittently , I am no tech geek so I have no clue whats up and come here to learn
- lisa coultrup
Status Blog says "We are defending against a denial-of-service attack." Mmmm... http://status.twitter.com/post...
- akihito
Friendfeed it is then.
- Aren Grimshaw
Now, It's up!
- Martin Sliacky
Posterous isn't working properly either, at least for me.
- Steven Melfi
http://status.twitter.com/post... We are defending against a denial-of-service attack, and will update status again shortly.
- Zalt Woo
What does DoS mean?
- Kimberle Kelly
denial of service
- Justin Long
I meant what does denial of service mean? (dumb blonde here sorry)
- Kimberle Kelly
If it's true..or is it propaganda?
- Alex Schleber
It's down, again.
- Martin Sliacky
Tracing route to twitter.com [168.143.162.100] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 172.16.1.1 2 25 ms 29 ms 28 ms lo1.br57.fra.de.hansenet.net [213.191.64.45] 3 24 ms 24 ms 23 ms ae1-252.prju01.fra.de.hansenet.net [62.109.64.13 7] 4 24 ms 23 ms 24 ms fra32-hansenet-3.fra.seabone.net [89.221.34.61] 5 120 ms 119 ms 195 ms ash1-new50-racc1.ash.seabone.net [195.22.206.2] 6 125 ms...
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- Zalt Woo
Thank you :o)
- Kimberle Kelly
DoS on large portions of the internet. Is this 4Chan... Chinese... N. Korea... durkadurkastan...
- Ryan Cummins
now having trouble getting to Friendfeed
- Justin Long
look, few days ago Clinton back home with two imprisoned american journalists from North Korea and today Korea is attacking twitter? it is revenge)))
- obolonskyi
maybe Robert's great unFollowing crashed the servers... no loss! Go FF
- Jay Shapiro
from BuddyFeed
some government is DDOS'ing the real-time internet to cover up something :-) http://leeprovoost.posterous.com/the-twi...
- Lee Provoost
hmmm
- abdellah
As I said, I predict a baby-boom in 9 months... wait and see!
- Jordi Soler
SEO Experts can analyze their charts, celebrities and wannabe's can entertain us with video (maybe some cool Twitter Whore like stuff) , and social media experts can quickly become Fail Whale Experts.
- Michele Lorito-Chase
@Lee Provost don't you thing you're going to be a little apocaliptic ? :-)
- Filippo Ronco
Twitter downing has to be a lesson for all of us. if sometimes gmail or even google will be down. what we all are going to do in that situation???
- obolonskyi
@Filippo i've been suprised many times that reality is often more wacked up than the conspiracy theories of geeks :-p
- Lee Provoost
I'm hoping the social media experts go away and do something useful.
- Parvez Halim
@Lee this is true too :-)
- Filippo Ronco
@Jordi LOL, considering that there are a vast amount of single male computer geeks out there in the twitter community, baby boom effect might be negligible :-D
- Lee Provoost
what is bad here? here doesnt exist reply button =(
- obolonskyi
@Lee single male computer geeks - LOL))
- obolonskyi
The realtime updates of the comments is great. FF rulez. Would be better though to have the comment link not on top
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
Go back to MySpace?
- Juliana
Maybe some will switch to FF if twitter is down for a while
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
The twitter bots are rebelling
- Charles
@Flynn, go check out this Greasemonkey script, solves it: http://userscripts.org/scripts...
- Alex Schleber
Come here and moan about it!
- Kami Huyse
Read post on 100k unfollow - I love how people are commenting and blaming Twitter being down on that! lol
- Helene
@AlexSchleber: thanks, great :)
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
AAANND.. it's back. At least for a moment I guess..
- Alex Schleber
AAANND it's GONE! ..Again. At least I managed to send out a quick FriendFeed SOS, as in: "Still think you shouldn't have all of your favorite tweeps in a "backup system" on FriendFeed? Join here: www.friendfeed.com/alexschleber "
- Alex Schleber
Either collapse or back to use their phones in voice only mode, do some shopping, get eye to eye contact ... Blame god, and then. Give a serious try on FF ;p
- Marco ILLESCAS
from iPhone
They will still be able to Tweet to themselves - not sure if they will realize it is down until it comes back up.
- Phil Harrison
I hope everyone will be ok...lol
- April Mendez
Hey, can I hang out here on FF while my Twitter is down :)
- Kevin Krewell
Welcome to FF Kevin! You can tweet from here too!
- Arleen Anderson
Thanks Arleen. I hear all the kool kids hang out here now - like Scoble and you!
- Kevin Krewell
I'm glad I joined FF yesterday, great timing!
- CodeSamurai
I also micro-blog or create my own Twitter, but in more than 140 characters.
- polou/indigo_bow
FF and Tumblr are working fine! :-)
- Tim Moore
A good FF day- new familiar faces on this thread.
- E-Advocate Network
What will the blackhat SEO experts, the SM spammers, and the social media experts do during a widespread outage? The answer is obvious: While sitting out the crisis they're fine-tuning their methodology. Seriously, your question offends me. There's a gazillion of SEO experts out there who do not abuse social media.
- Sebastian
Sebastian there can't be a gazillion SEO experts! What's 10,000 keywords times 20?? (and that's being generous!)
- Arleen Anderson
Would a social media expert consider it to be a crisis? If they rely so heavily on just one or two tools that it's enough to throw them into a tizzy, their expert status would seem to me to be ... questionable, at best.
- Gord McLeod
Agreed.
- Greg
Arleen, 10,000 keyword phrases times 20 is a tiny fraction of the search terms that are worth optimizing for. Think of the long tail. Also, consider lots of webmasters and even publishers / site owners / bloggers / Web developers ... SEO experts who are able to optimize their stuff quite successfully but don't sell or publish their expertise. Many of them, and even many SEO consultants, do make sensible use of social media, as plain users.
- Sebastian
Gord, in a social media spammer's book 2 hours of outage, IOW 2 hours w/o sales from sneakily distributed links to questionable sales pitches, can sum up to way more than a good day's beer money. ;) However, "crisis" might be a term too strong for this potential loss.
- Sebastian
+1 Sebastian
- Bill Sodeman
I'm hung up on hop 12!
- bev
I love FF!
- John Giglio
come to Friend Feed? Not
- Rob Cairns
You must be dying of laughter now Robert!
- Arleen Anderson
Arleen: yes, reading this is fun. Sebastien SEO types are so easy to wind up. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Gotta love it... @RobCairns says "come to Friend Feed? Not" and then his page shows ONE POST from Twitter in the past 18 hours! And that one talks about how Twitter seems to be slowing down again! (Sorry Rob, but that's just too good to let pass!)
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Robert, admit it, you broke Twitter by massively unfollowing people. The DDoS attack reports have just been a ruse to cover up the fact that you were the backbone of Twitter all this time.
- Louis Trapani
Louis: that is true. I pissed the bots off.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Keep running into the wall a few times then find alternate outlets such as ff, linkedIn, etc...
- Kirsten Mitchell
from iPhone
Looks like the devious plan to move everyone to FF is working well. LOL :)
- Geer
Ha! The whole Facebook Twitter slowdown may have been just people clicking on spam (not a DDoS botnet). How funny! Manual DDoS. See Bill Woodcock's theory at CNet, AP, SF Gate, and The Register http://ff.im/6gLmO
- Mitchell Tsai
There you go again implying the only ones that use twitter is SEO experts, the celebrities, the spammers, the bots, and the social media experts - This is definitely SPIN. Perhaps you should join CNN also LOL
- RetiredTeacherD
Ironic, given your status as a celebrity social media expert who constantly spams about bots... :-P
- David Kettler
Now they'll have time to shower and do their laundry!
- Ron Hagenhoff
Who said FriendFeed doesn't get you Google juice? Not Murphy Goode winery. Check this out on Google: http://www.google.com/search...
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I've been noticing more and more FriendFeed items showing up in Google (and higher than Twitter, generally). How about you?
- Robert Scoble
but the question is how fast does google capture data form timeline?
- Veetrag
Veetrag: in minutes, is my experience. No longer than a day, for sure.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert I noticed that too, but I believe its because we write much more than 140 characters. So Google wouldn't have tweaked algorithm for it.
- Veetrag
By the way, Murphy Goode really screwed up a good thing. Here's Jim Louderback, CEO of Revision3 on the item: http://louderback.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
That fact that a FF post can be #1 for an arbitrary set of multiple keywords doesn't prove the general fact.
- Gary
Veetrag: I think Google is watching the real time engines closer and closer every day.
- Robert Scoble
Gary: no, but I can find dozens of examples like this.
- Robert Scoble
Do you realize how many clicks it took me to get to that tweet?
- Rochelle
Rochelle: what Tweet?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Thanks for the info. Do you have any idea how soon does that information becomes obselete? Does Google have infinite storage/indexing capacity.
- Veetrag
Veetrag: I believe so, yes! Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Google has posts of mine from years ago still in its index.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: One more question, does Google give more importance to information from people with more followers? If so, they have to tweak algorithm for every service.
- Veetrag
I agree Robert. I have even seen friendfeed post's higher than the actual blog post there about.
- TheHenry
Veetrag: I don't think so. But they DO give more importance to items that have more inbound links. So I bet getting retweeted helps.
- Robert Scoble
True, blog posts can remain forever. but these sites are generating content at much faster rate. And we have many more services.
- Veetrag
TheHenry: me too. Veetrag: Twitter generates 10Gigs of new data per day. That's nothing for Google to swallow. Google has many hundreds of thousands of computers and maybe more than a million. Not a problem at all.
- Robert Scoble
My FriendFeed posts on Google seem to climb and fall; it's not obvious why. It's also strange that I get Google Alerts on my alert topics when I tweet on it, but not from Friendfeed.
- Keith Barrett
So I need to start posting my blog posts here? Sheesh! :)
- Sid Burgess
Dont you think, posts with more 'likes' should get higher priority too? Or they are already doing it.
- Veetrag
Dozens of examples doesn't mean much when there are billions of keyword combination. If FF has the only use of a particular set of keywords, then it will rank by default.
- Gary
I noticed this a while back. My last big Flickr upload was a Merced roller derby bout. My FF post is number 2 after Flickr. http://www.google.com/search...
- Russellreno
Cool, I guess. Puts 1 google to rule them all back in an agile search play.
- Robert Higgins
Gary: OK, fine, how would you like to demonstrate which site will get you Google juice? Personally it all depends on what gets linked to. Or did you forget my "brrreeeport test" of Google? http://www.google.com/search... where I made up a fake word and got people to link to see what would happen?
- Robert Scoble
I have said earlier,my friendfeed post appeared within 48 hours in Google search. This was two months ago.
- ashish
Veetrag: I bet more likes get more Google Juice. Why? More pages are linking to the original item.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not saying FF has zero juice. I'm sure it is a value greater than zero, but I because anything can be posted by anyone, it would be hard for Google to give it much authority. If it did FF would instantly become a spam magnet. If a trend was started on FF and was later picked up by blogs, I'm sure the FF post wouldn't rank as high as the blogs.
- Gary
I don't know: On this SM doesn't matter to me. I only support local : http://www.oliverwinery.com/index...
- Melanie Reed
Robert, I clicked on your link above which led me to Google search results. I clicked on the first result which was to a post of your with a link to Leo's FF. I clicked on that link to get to Leo's FF post, which was a link to Digg. I clicked on that and went to Digg which was a link to martinsargent's Twitter account.
- Rochelle
Rochelle: even better, it's a full employment act for content producers because you need to click six times to get what should take one. Fair point! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Gary: you're wrong. Google knows which FriendFeeder has more inbound links. My pagerank here is seven. What's yours?
- Robert Scoble
Gary: you are wrong, twice. I have seen quite a few places where FriendFeed gets higher ranked than the blog. It makes sense, because the FriendFeed item is getting linked to by lots of people and the blog isn't (I often link here, because the conversation is worth linking to).
- Robert Scoble
I've noticed. My Friendfeed page shows up in a search for my name at about position 3 or 4 whereas for years the first instance of my actual self would show up around page 4. I'm not a content producer nor a particularly active person, so I figured it was FF picking up steam.
- Rob Haas
Gary: finally, FriendFeed is going to prove to be very resistant to spam for a whole lot of reasons, most of which I won't go into here because I don't want spammers to figure out ways around the resistance. But for one, if you block someone here it is a COMPLETE block, not half assed like over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Robert what exactly were the terms of the contest? Did it expressly say something to the effect that interviews were guaranteed by public vote, influenced by public vote or just that they asked the public to vote?
- Melanie Reed
Melanie: they asked the public to vote and then, apparently, didn't care what the public said.
- Robert Scoble
Robert thanks for clarifying. Well, they're off the hook legally. But they simply didn't understand the implied "rules" of SM, which, let's face it, can be intimidating for the uninitiated. I have no background on how "initiated" the MG SM team were but it is possible, indeed, appears plausible that they didn't even expect that much feedback. Which only goes to show that perhaps many in...
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- Melanie Reed
Melanie: yeah, you really need to read Jim Louderback (Revision 3's CEO) take on it: http://louderback.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Yes. This was about "hearing the message" in the public dialogue that all good advertising campaigns should understand. It just happens faster on the Internet. And it recalls parallels in the "Palace vs. the Death of Princess Diana and the Public Reaction" dilemma. If I was going to teach a SM class to Enterprise SM teams, I would start there with elements they could relate to and then progress to the Murphy-Goode Affair. ;)
- Melanie Reed
FriendFeed ranks very well for me and often appears higher than my blog; however, since my blog is relatively new and fast-growing, those results are changing. My blog posts appear here in FriendFeed in near real-time, then get tweeted out with FF URLs re-directing back to my blog, so I am leveraging FriendFeed's Google juice to promote my blog's ranking and it is working! FriendFeed is one of my top inbound link referrers to my blog - Yay! :)
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Not just for Google. also Bing, Yahoo, and some up-and-coming search engines
- TransContext Steve
Dave Sifry (Technorati's founder) is up to something interesting with Twitter @obgr : http://friendfeed.com/dsifry has his Tweets from today
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I think that more and more robots like this will show up on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Worked pretty well for me. Its a neat bot ( I never thought I would say that)
- Veetrag
yep and i know where the idea is coming from :)
- Ouriel Ohayon
A Google easter egg for people who know what recursion is: http://www.google.com/search... :)
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It also works in German: http://www.google.de/search...
- Matt Cutts
Recursion :)
- alfred westerveld
Love it!
- Alexey Ivanov
from iPhone
Works in French as well: http://www.google.fr/search... !
- Denis (aka HawkEye)
I kept hitting it repeatedly hoping something new would happen. It didn't :)
- mike fabio
yeah would be cool if it changed to 'did you mean stack overflow' if you refreshed enough
- Private Sanjeev
Hah! Recursive searches in Google. That's cute!
- Peter Murray
Wow! Very funny! :)
- Peter
Does not work for Turkish: http://www.google.com/search...
- Ahmet Yükseltürk
Private Sanjeev - *laugh*
- Andrew C
love it.
- Ron George
Subtle yet amazing!
- Veetrag
Private Sanjeev ... yea now that would be cool easter egg :)
- Bhowmik Shah
lol
- Rick Cogley
Did you mean recursion? LOL! http://www.google.com/search...
- Jordi Rosell
A friendfeed easter egg for those who know what recursion is: http://friendfeed.com/mattcut...
- Tanath
Ha ha, Tanath!
- Rick Cogley
Awesome!
- Ladybug Heather
LOL @ Tanath!
- Ladybug Heather
This reminds me of the index in PRIMOS user manuals. The entry for "circular reference" is "see recursion". The entry for "recursion" is "see circular reference". (PRIMOS is the operating system used on Prime Computers in 70's and early 80's)
- Gary Burd
Gary, I haven't used PRIMOS since like 8th grade. I love that someone else remembers PRIMOS. I learned on a PRIMOS system before I went to college and discovered Unix.
- Matt Cutts
Good stuff. Note though that (at least for me), you don't get the easter egg from following the link. You have to post the query from the search page itself. Then, BINGO. Also, well played, Tanath :)
- Micah Wittman
this one post sent me down SO MANY rabbit trails on math heh
- Tyler Gillies
What's recursion?
- Christian (Simply X)
What's recursion?
- Christian (Simply X)
Yo @karaswisher says Twitter will turn on new home page next week. Will they fix search? Will they fix DM's? Will they fix blocking?
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I think they better fix their APIs
- polou/indigo_bow
I would like them to aggregate the top tweets ( content ) not just the keywords
- Sumanth Kolar
I'd be happy with 1 of the 3 (in terms of the fixes)
- Technihub - Mike Riley
Maybe realtime like ff? And not censor the trends? And not suck in general?
- Tomy Thomson
from iPod
I'd be happy if they simply added the ability to retweet. Something that has become such a big part of the site is still missing
- El Freak
Does anyone go to the home page. Hope they fix that stuff regardless of the new home page.
- Christian Anderson
from iPhone
Blocking and Search are most important, do we really care about DMs?
- Veetrag
Veetrag: yes. People DM me a LOT. And that's not counting all the spam and auto DMs I get. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
@Tomy since most of the client's provide realtime feature, twitter does not need to put that kind of load on their servers. And as far as I think, people who use web directly are not heavy twitter users.
- Veetrag
@Scoble @Holden Ok, I get it now. Just a quick question, what is wrong with current DMs system. I see only problem is count and sometime delay.
- Veetrag
Veetrag: how many ways would you like me to list? 1. I can't reorder them. I have 4,000 DMs. Try to get to #3,500. You can't. 2. I can't CC anyone on them. 3. You can't send more than 140 characters. 4. You can't "chat" with someone, like you can on FriendFeed. 5. You can't forward them to someone else. 6. You can't share them among multiple people (very important for businesses).
- Robert Scoble
I just hope they fix the bug on my account when I see the new homepage...it's getting annoying now and if they fix any other features it will be a nice suprise :)
- Nicholas James
@Holden @Scoble yes, seems like a problem for people with many followers. I get DMs in my gmail and try to organize it there, that is the only work around I could get.
- Veetrag
I bet TechCrunch knows :-)
- Jesse Stay
@scoble yes, but these are more of add-ons. Twitter needs to fix spammer problem first.
- Veetrag
@Jesse LOL! :-)
- Veetrag
Holden: sorry, you're wrong. Twitter is now a business platform and is moving there more and more. Celebrities and businesses NEED those features. If you're just chatting with your mom, that's one thing, but if you are getting business messaging, you need a whole nother kind of feature set.
- Robert Scoble
Do you also think that 'replies' option should be brought back, where we can select what kind of messages are shown on our timeline?
- Veetrag
They may be fixing the spamming issues. im short about 50 followers i think all bots. i hope they were all bots.
- Giancarlo Caparo
I think they should fix the favourites option whilst they are at it to make it more like a "likes" system which can/auto-retweet if you select that option for instance if you select it in the settings.
- Nicholas James
Twitter is as much of a business tool as Second Life was... meaning it isn't. I seriously doubt that it ever will be. I'm still hearing it in the buzzword context. It's a curiosity to most people I know. I can see it used for gauging public reaction to your products and services, but it's just such a poor communication tool compared to FriendFeed. A nice idea that caught on and now needs to die for better tech, like the "tagging" craze a few years ago.
- Ryan Massie
Ryan: I disagree and have some personal accounts. Rackspace is doing some pretty sizeable business because of Twitter. The thing I do agree with you on is that it sucks for doing business for a variety of reasons (some of which I've covered here).
- Robert Scoble
Rackspace probably would have done well regardless of the medium. They're a great company doing innovative things. I'm not sure that the same wouldn't have happened if twitter didn't exist and a more elegant solution to blog search, blog comments, and trackbacks had gained as much popularity. I think good companies can market and be successful in surprising ways. I doubt that a corner store could have the same success on twitter.
- Ryan Massie
Meebo was successful because the kids could get on to their favorite IM platform from inside school firewalls. =)
- Ryan Massie
I still think that the value of these microblogging services are in the firehose data and in search. If you can get people to have richer conversations over your service, then your firehose data will have more value.
- Ryan Massie
Not holding my breath..re:"Scoble: @karaswisher says Twitter will turn on new home page next week. Will they fix search? DM's? Blocking?"
- Alex Schleber
Twitter Corrects Follower Counts: How Many Followers Did You Lose? - http://mashable.com/2009...
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Wow I lost over 40 followers, but that's for the best anyway.
- Jordan Patterson
I had 217 now I have 190, so I lost 27.
- Art Stanton
i lost 150
- Ahmet Soyata
I lost 30 followers
- Naira
Around 30. Went from 410+ to 380-something. I don't care enough to keep a watch on the exact numbers. But I have had more spam followers since the clear-out
- CdL Creative
I lost around 200.
- Chris Luckhardt
Lost about 100
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Lost about 100 and I was at 950 so almost 10%. If it's to get rid of spammers, I'm all for it.
- Jorge Escobar
I lost 87 of them, makes it 20% of my total followers.
- Veetrag
I've lost 400 or so spammers. Now, I kinda miss them. Nothing sharpens your inner snark than ridiculing a spammer. Ahehehe
- jan geronimo
Read this comment following the Twitter's cleansing: "I thought all those girls really liked me" ^_^
- lelapin
I lost around 70 followers because of this.But I am happy that Spammers are gone for now. Thanks to twitter.
- Anurag Bansal
50ish
- Dakota O'Neill
I lost about 10. But there are still spam accounts (at least they're clutter accounts - no pics, phishy updates, etc) in my follower list.
- Jonathan Archer
Yahoo. Microsoft. Google. Why haven't you bought this Cambridge, UK company yet? Check out how they improve search! - http://www.building43.com/videos...
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When I heard that PrismaStar has helped several retailers greatly increase their sales, I had to see just how their search technology did that. After seeing it I wonder why they haven't been purchased yet by one of the big search companies.
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
More like, Amazon, why haven't you bought this company yet?
- blake
its like asking why thye did not buy Like.com.. where is the ROI's ?
- Peter Dawson
blake: yeah, that would be an obvious company to buy them too, but the patent they own could help a bigger engine even more.
- Robert Scoble
Peter: what's the ROI of Bing.com taking another percent of market share?
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, great video as always, an app like that applied to the web or search engine would be real innovation the kind that would get so much press you wouldn't need to spend hundreds of millions to advertise
- Stephen Pickering
Google is more into replicating things at their end rather than spending money on buying. MS and Yahoo struggling with fixing the search, rather than improving it.
- Veetrag
Robert, as a compliment, The video camera angles are working much better now.
- Kreg Steppe
Veetrag, exactly, "Don't Solve Problems. Pursue Opportunities"
- Stephen Pickering
Veetrag: that's not true. Microsoft has gone ahead of Google in quite a few areas with Bing. And Microsoft purchased several companies to do that (Powerset, Farecast, etc)
- Robert Scoble
the CAPEX on bing has already been consumed (MSFT way) - so how can they divisfy ? at least MSFT . As for GOOG's . why assimulate something which really has services which is cross docking with Amazon ??
- Peter Dawson
I think its sick that they can patent this sort of thing. I bet there is prior art out there.
- Luke™
Besides its utility, people want something to play with. The public would go crazy over those little sliders. it's like going to the fair or something
- Stephen Pickering
Kreg: that's Rocky Barbanica, Building43 producer. By the way, this video is one of the most expensive we've ever done. Took us a week in UK to find this company and get excited enough to pull out our two HD camcorders.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I agree Powerset and few other purchases have been really good move but have those turned out well for MS. I would be happy to see some of powerset kind of features in Bing soon.
- Veetrag
Apostol: we carry two $6,000 Panasonic camcorders. A lot more expensive than $200 Flips.
- Robert Scoble
Veetrag: yes, those acquisitions have worked out very well. Search at Microsoft is finally gaining share and is impressing people. Have you used it? Video, shopping, and travel are all best of breed now (among the big search companies).
- Robert Scoble
As #Microsoft already has #bing #Shopping http://www.bing.com/shoppin... which does somwhat similar to #Primastar #Answeroil solution and #MSFT has bought #Caio
- Ashith Raj
Luke: I haven't seen any prior art, but the way the patent system works is those things will get decided on when there's a conflict.
- Robert Scoble
Its a nice way to differentiate.
- Jeff Stannard
Apostol: well, when you see the full resolution you'll see I don't agree at all. But we get better compression on the expensive videos because they are cleaner to start with. Also, by using two cameras you can edit and give a much more professional look. Believe me, I love low-cost video too (most of my career has been made with cheap cameras) but there's a place for the expensive stuff too.
- Robert Scoble
@scoble I use bing regularly and for few days I switched my default to bing. Its very impressive and sure, would gain popularity too.
- Veetrag
from what its shown in the video, its not a technological breakthrough, but using common search technologies to come up with custom solution for dedicated clients. Bing, Google are operating on all together different bigger space i.e. generic search.
- Ruchit Garg
Another factor I like about Bing is, the traffic it is sending to my site. For an infrequent blogger like me, only source of traffic was Google. But Bing being able to index it proves that the cralwer is much better, indexing is better and thus results are better.
- Veetrag
Ruchit: you didn't watch enough of the video. See how it could improve traditional search.
- Robert Scoble
Ruchit: and, even if you were correct, the high value search customers are those who are buying things. It certainly could be used to improve the shopping areas on search engines, which would improve their profitability and usability.
- Robert Scoble
I'm sure everyone who has commented here has also spent hours searching and re-searching through shopping and retail sites, and felt that growing sense of frustration that it's taking too long to find what you're looking for. If this gets implemented at *some* sites, those *without* it will certainly suffer.. I'd love to see this on Amazon...
- Andrew Terry
@Scoble this app is kinda similar even if its only got one slider.. http://examples.adobe.com/flex2... I bet there are a bunch of flex apps with multiple "interdependent" sliders.
- Luke™
Luke: if it only has one slider it isn't the same. :-)
- Robert Scoble
@Apolsotol looks like lots of sliders there.
- Luke™
with regard to the sliders on keyword searches, it would be super-cool if (on searches of, say 3 - 4 terms) it looked at the frequency of other keywords within your results and offered those related keywords up for you depending on your slider settings so that you further narrow or expand your searches.
- Andrew Terry
I agree that this kind of weighted multi-parameter search specification and the monitoring that they provide is a major advance in search technology. Not sure whether anyone is already doing it, but the patent grant is a very good sign!
- John W Lewis
It seems that http://www.Laptop.Bg is not the same. It looks as though it filters (on or off) on multiple parameters, but is not providing sequencing based on weighting of relative importance of those parameters.
- John W Lewis
I don't understand why he's claiming that nobody else in the world can search/sort on multiple dimensions. I do that every day when writing SQL, using our in-house dev tools, when browsing newegg, ebay, mint, etc. They should NOT have been granted that patent.
- xero
+1 xero
- Todd Hoff
Does SQL alone allow sequencing based on weighted contributions from the values of multiple fields?
- John W Lewis
@scoble I agree with your second comment that "the high value search customers are those who are buying things. It certainly could be used to improve the shopping areas on search engines, which would improve their profitability and usability". I just dont see why bing and google cannot do it using what they have today!.
- Ruchit Garg
xero: the patent is for using two connected sliders. I don't remember seeing sliders in SQL Server. I don't remember seeing that UI used anywhere else on the Internet, either, but who knows? I'm not a patent attorney.
- Robert Scoble
Speaking of new cool things, when is that new Dell coming?
- Mark
I should apply for a patent on multiple checkboxes. !
- Luke™
Mark: I bought it yesterday at Best Buy. I am loading it up now.
- Robert Scoble
I meant that secret dell you blogged about last month
- Mark
The patent is just for using linked sliders? The way he talked it sounded like it was the algorithm to search/sort on multiple dimensions, not that the mechanism of doing that with slider controls. That said, Mint.com has had that for a long time, and I know I used it at some point before 2000, I just don't remember what desktop app it was. Games have used connected sliders for settings, but that's not to filter search results.
- xero
The scheduling software my employer writes does very complex "sequencing based on weighted contributions from the values of multiple fields". And has been since 1997 I think. But, we don't have it displayed in linked sliders. In fact, all scheduling software does that, even Microsoft Project. Just no sliders. I will refuse to pay them royalties for a basic UI element for sorting data...
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- xero
The problem with searching for retail products is rarely with the ability to filter and sort, it's with the dimensions they provide for doing so and the inclusion of duplicates. In the video you could filter on thickness. That means someone had to enter the thickness into the database as a dimension. Newegg suffers from this problem all the time. They have great search tools but you...
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- xero
Holy crap, Robert, you're right. I watched the video and one of those companies should definitely buy them. Now. Honestly, it's simple and immediately intuitive and exactly mirrors our natural selection process. Crazy.
- Chieze Okoye
Video doesn't seem to want to load for me :(
- Steve Farnworth
Also, gotta love the armchair patent-lawyering going on in here. Does anyone have the actual patent number?
- Chieze Okoye
Xero - in reply to your comment "I don't understand why he's claiming that nobody else in the world can search/sort on multiple dimensions." I agree with you - the patent cannot be about that - it exists and is FREE- it's just that this guy clearly has no idea what the rest of the World are up to! also - Robert - I challenge you to get any statistics on the claimed 30% increase in...
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- Jelly Roll Morton
REAL sales Conversion Rate (C.R.) data: 1-month trailing C.R. pre-selector - 1.25%; 1-month trailing C.R. post-selector - 2.15%. 72% documented increase in C.R. for users who used the selector. Over 700,000 live users during the 2-month the test period. Contact PrismaStar and they will provide documentation to prove it if you sign their NDA.
- Joshua Z. Tabin
A quick lesson on patent law: Ice cream on a stick -- not patentable. Chocolate over ice cream -- not patentable. Ice cream on a stick dipped in chocolate -- patentable (well, in this precise example ice cream on a stick already exists in the public domain, so it wouldn't be patentable, but hopefully you get the idea). PrismaStar won this patent because nobody ever COMBINED interdependent sliders relating to multiple search attributes WITH dynamically-sorting results. Clear now?
- Joshua Z. Tabin
Another real example: CTR before AnswerOil: 2.5%. CTR after AnswerOil: 8.9%. Again, sign an NDA and PrismaStar will show you the data, although you can also read about this example here: http://www.iea.cz/index... PrismaStar won a very prestigious award in the Czech Republic for this, beating-out name brand websites such as T-Mobile, Volkswagen, and Vodafone. THANK YOU, Robert, for doing your research! ;)
- Joshua Z. Tabin
There is an amazing example of this fantastic technology here at D-Link, although it's by http://www.easy2.com a USA company - Click "Find your router" http://www.dlink.com/categor... These guys will send you Customer White Papers without having to sign an NDA and they have over 15 examples and plenty of testimonials on their website.
- Jelly Roll Morton
Well whatever CTR is .....it ain't conversion rate is it?
- Jelly Roll Morton
For those looking for prior art - here it is - Interdependent sliders in Flash from 2004 http://www.senocular.com/flash...
- Jelly Roll Morton
They would've given themselves more than a chance had they imposed the follow-on...
- अभिषेक(Abhishek) Das
Exactly, now if English batting fumbles (as they do often) it would be a major screw-up.
- Veetrag
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Is the mail about InfyBLOGS???
- Palak Mathur
I have no clue about it.
- Veetrag
Javascript Tutorial - Using setInterval and setTimeout | Switch on the Code - http://www.switchonthecode.com/tutoria...
This code will cause a pop up to show the value 5 - and it is all because of the concept of function references and scope. Since we are now passing an actual function reference instead of a string, we get the added benefit of maintaining the scope of the function (instead of the assumption of global scope). The variable i here existed in the scope of the function bar - so when bar was finally evaluated, the variable i still existed.
- Veetrag
Repository Creation and Configuration - http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en...
pre-unlock This hook runs whenever someone attempts to remove a lock on a file. It can be used to create policies that specify which users are allowed to unlock particular paths. It's particularly important for determining policies about lock breakage. If user A locks a file, is user B allowed to break the lock? What if the lock is more than a week old? These sorts of things can be decided and enforced by the hook. The repository passes three arguments to the hook: the path to the repository, the path being unlocked, and the user attempting to remove the lock. If the program returns a non-zero exit value, the unlock action is aborted and anything printed to stderr is marshalled back to the client.
- Veetrag
I've started hating cross posting. I'm now reading Twitter, friendfeed, Facebook and keep seeing the same content in all three. Discuss:
Voyagerfan5761, Rafiq Phillips, Rui Pereira and 90 other people liked this
I'm starting to think it's a very lame practice. Although I still post some things from friendfeed to Twitter, like this one.
- Robert Scoble
RT @scobleizer is tired of cross posting. Let's talk about this over on Facebook. Someone set up a Twine too.
- Chrimmus Tad
maybe you should use Yahoo! Pipes to filter duplicates, @scobleizer?
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
But that's because Twitter is lame for discussions. Facebook and friendfeed are better to have conversations.
- Robert Scoble
Prolific: doing that in the context of Seesmic Desktop, Nambu, or TweetDeck isn't doable.
- Robert Scoble
cross-posting isn't nearly as bad as retweeting. at least cross-posting is in different systems.
- Andy Bakun
I cc to twitter but I have stopped auto posting to facebook...starts feeling spammy on FB
- Gary Gannon
Andy: hmm, I sort of like RT'ing. I find a lot of cool stuff that way.
- Robert Scoble
I have to agree... this is a big problem with the different solutions and different mechanisms for sharing the information you post. There needs to be a tool that « aggregates» them into one unique post and just lists the places it has appeared...
- Thomas V. Fischer
Gary: I have stopped auto posting into Facebook as well (I only turned it on for a day or two and got a lot of complaints).
- Robert Scoble
I feel the same way some times but I'm sure nothing on your level - most of my friends are clueless to this sort of thing.
- Robert Freeze
I do have a system to filter my Facebook notifications and email the result to my mobile device, @scobleizer; works brilliantly
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
At what point does it become cross posting? Wordpress+Twitter? Wordpress+Twitter+FriendFeed? Wordpress+Twitter+FriendFeed+Facebook?
- Ken Sheppardson
It's difficult because if you're like me when you feel the urge to share you want to reach the most people possible. To do that for me means cross posting. The problem is, while you certainly reach more people you're definitely hitting some people multiple times. I think most people accept that this happens and simply ignore the extra times. Kind of go with the first time they saw it. I do think it used to annoy me more. Now I simply edit it in my brain.
- Sheryl
The neat thing about Facebook is because I haven't posted much there I haven't gotten people to unsubscribe the way that I have over in Twitter (many of the A listers have dropped me because I posted too often there -- I think that's also behind why I didn't get added to Twitter's recommended follower list, other than I talk about friendfeed so often there).
- Robert Scoble
I'm going to have to say that I prefer you to add something less perfunctory than "Discuss:" If you're posting from here to Twitter you could add a "Let's discuss this" quite easily. As to the question cross-posting has it's merits because there is only a partial (in my case small) overlap between the different sets of people.
- WorldofHiglet
Sheryl: it's interesting, though. I do want to have a system that says "show me this person only on Twitter." Actually this is sort of what I'm doing with Seesmic Desktop: I'm building lists that suck certain people into the list so I can follow certain people well without seeing their duplication.
- Robert Scoble
I love that every time I share an item on my google reader, it is posted to my friend feed and my facebook.. Why I love this is because I have completely different circles on FB and FF.
- Sabika
WorldofHIglet: I tried to add "please" but I did not have enough characters. Twitter forces me to stick with 140 characters or less.
- Robert Scoble
Except you posted this to Twitter from FriendFeed! But yes, it can be annoying. We want to get content out there,yet not be spammy. So how do we do it.
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Sabika: Google Reader I can understand going to both of these places. Twitter less so.
- Robert Scoble
could the folks a friend feed or seemic think of a way to integrate or merge the cross posts...perhaps sinc them somehow.
- Robert Freeze
Bob: I think that TweetDeck and Seesmic Desktop are how we solve it. I'm "white listing" people into lists now to escape the duplication.
- Robert Scoble
First, how many people get ALL of your feeds? Item duplication is only a problem for those who are subscribed to multiple feeds from a person. Of the three services you mention, I isolate Facebook from most (not all) of my FriendFeed/Twitter content, and FriendFeed's block of the ff.im URL serves to reduce double posts of some items.
- John E. Bredehoft
You aren't on Twitter's recommended follow because you post FF links like a madman lol :/ Nah I dunno if you always have.
- Colin
Posting from here to FF truncates the message - the discussion will be here anyway so you haven't lost anything. But anyway, that's just me and my manners talking.
- WorldofHiglet
Another problem. Bots like TwitterFeed can result in double postings. (Hi Chris Pirillo on FaceBook.)
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
I completely agree but there are people who do not use all services, to send them content we use multiple sources. Not everyone is like us, using all the services.
- Veetrag
Colin: I think that's true, but it demonstrated that those recommended follower lists can be used as punishment. Oh, and does it help Twitter's content? Techcrunch has gotten very boring ever since it was added to that list. Yeah, I know Arrington now has his own Tweet account, separate of TechCrunch, but think about why that is. He doesn't want to have his business punished for saying something that Twitter doesn't like.
- Robert Scoble
Retweeting may be a cool way to find stuff, but when everyone is retweeting, it's just pollution. FF's "like" functionality is much better.
- Andy Bakun
Veetrag: that's why the Seesmic Desktop/Tweetdeck approach is probably going to be the only way to solve it.
- Robert Scoble
Andy: people get tired of me saying Friendfeed is better, but it is, so I agree with you. :-)
- Robert Scoble
It's funny, because I haven't been on Facebook until Tweetdeck and Seesmic Desktop added Facebook functionality so I didn't see just how many people are duplicating their content between all services.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed is kind of ugly and painful to read, honestly for the kind of thread this is. Cross-posting (repeating in several arenas) is ok, but I dislike when people Tweet a link to a FriendFeed which has a link to some blog post somewhere -- it's like people are starved for us to hit every landing pad they have for a single item. That's painful and annoying.
- Gib
Ryo: I agree. Lockergnome has gotten very noisy.
- Robert Scoble
Does it seem like cross-post duplication litter is like the analog of FW: FW: FW: of the aged world of email? I've stayed away from cross-posting for the most part. But I just decided to focus on the network plugged directly into FF, so my use case is different than a good many.
- Micah Wittman
Gib: use a browser that lets you increase font size. Also, click on the time stamp to open up this dicussion into its own window.
- Robert Scoble
Gib. once it gets long it makes commenting hard to do and still keep up
- Robert Freeze
The Lockergnome coupon posts are tooo much to handle
- Gary Gannon
The recommended follow list is a mess, wrong in 1000 ways, the good thing is normal people don't worry about it, because they'll never make it.
- Colin
Robert Freeze: open friendfeed up into its own Window and then commenting and keeping up is a lot easier on a hot conversation like this one.
- Robert Scoble
There is nothing more noisy than FB IMO. If I get asked to take one more quiz.....
- David
David: I don't see quizzes in Facebook's status stream.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Yes, I'm using Safari and blow up the font size. Doesn't make it less ugly -- just bigger! :-)
- Gib
cool thanks Robert - i'll open a new window
- Robert Freeze
My little Macbook can barely handle Seesmic Desktop for some reason, it freezes in the middle of typing a tweet one or two times.
- Colin
Robert, I think you've finally reached the point where too many people follow you: just one entry like this produces as much traffic as all the people I used to follow on Twitter. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Own window? Use an SSB like Fluid http://fluidapp.com/
- Liviu Barbat
Ken: heheh. Wait until the real celebrities figure this out. Imagine Eminem doing a live chat with his fans.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: how do you turn that stuff off?
- David
David: turn what stuff off?
- Robert Scoble
This is the midnight hour thread that Scoble starts, I love it. Nothing more interesting in the world is going on at this time!
- Colin
Eminem's FF page would be filled with "fsck the free world" and such
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Ken: what's even cooler is I'm following every single person on this thread.
- Robert Scoble
your the man Robert... this thread proves that friend feed is way better than twitter.
- Robert Freeze
Prolific: yeah, but you think my items move fast? Wait until Eminem gets here. Then you'll see tens of thousands of people join in one item.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: sssshhhh, keep it quiet for a while longer. Let's enjoy this short period in time before the masses arrive.
- Robert Scoble
i doubt he can type fast enough
- Robert Freeze
Or read/think fast enough.
- Colin
I guess I'm asking how I decrease the noise on FB. A little off topic but....
- David
Robert: he doesn't need to type. You can do live video here, too, and watch the text chat.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: FYI, You can do the list thing on tweetdeck too. I have lists on both seesmic and tweetdeck. :) It does help, but honestly you miss some. I know because my lists are MUCH smaller than yours and I still miss and wind up with multiple posting. I really think at some point the size of the stream is just simply too large to do it all right. I worry about ticking off several hundred....
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- Sheryl
he'll just invent other aliases to do his typing for him :)
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
is FF planning on letting us share friend lists?
- Gary Gannon
David: hmm, I am using Seesmic Desktop with Facebook and I don't have much noise there (in the status updates). Of course I was very lucky. I filled up my 5,000 friends with pretty quiet people.
- Robert Scoble
5000 friends...is there a limit?
- Robert Freeze
Sheryl: yeah, and what's worse about lists is they don't move from computer to computer.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: yes. Facebook can only have 5,000 friends.
- Robert Scoble
on Facebook? yes, that's the limit, @robfreeze
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Robert: I have 5,400 people waiting to be my friend over there. That's why I ignored Facebook for the past year and took to friendfeed (no limits here).
- Robert Scoble
By the way, the conversations are BY FAR better here than on Twitter or Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
I guess I don't have enough friends on facebook to worry.
- Robert Freeze
My real life friends all noticed the day I installed the Twitter application -- they all started saying, "Wow you're on FB a lot!" because all the texts to Twitter went into FaceBook. Now I have friends who have joined Twitter because everyone else is and I have to say I enjoy seeing their Tweets less because I see it all on FaceBook and vice-versa.
- Gib
Robert: Ah! But private messaging on FB rocks! :)
- Sheryl
Sheryl: it rocks more here in friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
If everyone used the same service this wouldn't be an issue. Will things ever settle or are we bound to a constantly evaluating new services?
- Ryan Stanley
Yes, Ryan. Another day, another service.
- Gib
I don't have many friends on FB either but the ones I do have are always taking quizzes and playing games and I see that in my feed. I like FF much better.
- David
Gib, the Cleaner FriendFeed userstyle is an option. See my latest comment on it http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - if you're familiar with CSS you can make you're own adjustments. It will work on Safari with GreaseKit installed http://8-p.info/greasekit/ - just shout out if you need tips setting it up.
- Micah Wittman
settling is not any fun - it's the innovation that gets me excited.
- Robert Freeze
Ryan: I seriously doubt everyone will switch to using one service. If anything something like Tweetdeck, Peoplebrowsr, or Seesmic Desktop will make it all look like one service to their users.
- Robert Scoble
That's what I'm waiting for. One app that does it all!
- David
The app's dev team would have to constantly studying everyone tom dick and harry's latest API changelog. And that doesn't even address all the third party modules for the app.
- Ryan Stanley
David: the problem is that all three services are innovating too, and I doubt that all those innovations will be shared immediately by services like Tweetdeck, Peoplebrowsr, or Seesmic Desktop. Heck, how many of those support friendfeed so far?
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed to Facebook status-update is definitely lame. FriendFeed to FriendFeed-application post on Facebook seems fine to me. You can hide someone's FriendFeed-application posts on Facebook if you don't want to see them, but the only way to hide status updates is to hide that person altogether.
- Edward Coffey
Eventbox pulls a lot of goodies in. I just don't dig it too much for some reason.
- Gib
At some point all integral tech settles, and then becomes eligible for mass adoption.
- Ryan Stanley
Robert: I have never had a private message on FriendFeed other than Ken! :)
- Sheryl
I agree cross-posting is lame. But Robert, I've seen your intake rig: you're hard-core. You are all the places that my fragmented audience would be. It's no wonder you see stuff so many times.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Man I like Friend Feed.
- Robert Freeze
Robert: Twhirl supports FF. Why not Seesmic desktop?
- David
Sheryl: I'll send you one. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
FF FTW!
- Ryan Stanley
David: Loic promised friendfeed support in a future version of Seesmic Desktop. It's the poor child of the three because it has the fewest users, so it's easily ignored by these app developers.
- Robert Scoble
I see
- David
I tried starting a FriendFeed iphone app twice last week, but ended up working on Twitter ones again instead.
- Colin
Sheryl: DM's rock here because we can go back and forth "live" just like we are here. On Facebook? Um No. On Twitter? Um No.
- Robert Scoble
The constant evaluation of different services is kind of frustrating. I keep thinking I'll find a good use for twitter and I sort of get close and then it fails for me again. Friendfeed just seems to be better in so many ways. And Facebook seems great for very personal connections but, casual internet conversations, Friendfeed really seems like the answer.
- Steve McLelland
It's only this way because people have not realized it's potential...I use to think Friend Feed was a twitter want-a-be... boy was I wrong
- Robert Freeze
Colin: you should do a friendfeed one that adds some cool feature like location. Kick Twinkle's ass.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not a fan of cross posting. I define what I am to use each service for and try to keep the content unique to each one, Tumblr for iPhone pics, FB for friends and Family stuff, Twitter for my geek stuff, BK for pics of location, etc etc etc...
- Andrew Acomb
Twinkle? Is that for FriendFeed?
- Colin
Robert: and you haven't even discovered friendfeed's search, or its groups.
- Robert Scoble
Never heard of it, I downloaded "MotherFeed", and tried, "BuddyFeed"
- Colin
Colin: no, that's an iPhone app for Twitter that also tracks location.
- Robert Scoble
What about the new WebOS for Palm. Will there be a FF app for that???
- David
kind of funny that the poor child with the fewest users has the most robust convos
- Gary Gannon
In your opinion Robert, what is lacking most on the iphone for FriendFeed? Real-time commenting?
- Colin
funny that all the other service are copying FF
- Andrew Acomb
Robert - yah I have and I love it - If I was not married I would be seducing it now.
- Robert Freeze
Gary: friendfeed is growing very fast. It might not be the poor step child for long.
- Robert Scoble
David: I sure hope Palm will figure out how to get friendfeed support. It has Facebook support built into its contact list, though.
- Robert Scoble
I can't wait for the Pre (not to get off topic again)
- David
It would really help if FriendFeed could find a way to identify reposts across different services and group them together under a drop down item (or something like that). Didn't the old version of FriendFeed do that?
- Paul Jacobson
Paul: the new one does too, but it doesn't always catch the reposts.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: isn't that a big reason to cross post? FB support but no FF support in the case of a smart phone OS.
- David
Robert: You can do live video in FriendFeed? How?
- Shawn Hickman
Shawn: I use Kyte.tv. It kicks off a discussion in friendfeed. Everyone can watch live and comment on both Kyte or friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
They can watch it right in FF?
- Shawn Hickman
Shawn, no, gotta click a link, open a new browser window.
- Robert Scoble
is that better than ustream's chat and social media integration (I've only tried twitter there and the native chat)?
- Gib
People like us read all three. Most people read just one.
- Mike Abundo
Gib: I think so. Here's an example: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Thanks, I am going to be checking that out:)
- Shawn Hickman
Stuart: I'm not. I was noticing that a very large percentage of the people I read on all these services ARE cross posting.
- Robert Scoble
That's a major reason I stopped following Lockergnome, just got annoying
- Andrew Acomb
Robert, perhaps you should do a post on your blog about how to avoid cross posting.
- Robert Freeze
I started cross posting just because I thought it was cool that I could. But now I see the point.
- David
I have started to just post to FF which then sends it out to Twitter. I guess that is cross posting.
- Shawn Hickman
Robert: you can't avoid it. Unfortunately.
- Robert Scoble
Scobes: I annoyed myself on Friday. Stopped pushing my FF to facebook. I'll just be loud in person.
- Kevin Murray
perhaps a cross posting best practices...
- Robert Freeze
I just cross posted this manually over on Facebook. It'll be interesting to see if anyone comes over from Facebook. I've found that engagement is a lot lower there than it is on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Stuart, that is what I like most about FF. It's a great hub for your things
- Shawn Hickman
my project tomorrow is to write it all down and figure out how to best prevent this... The issue I have is I want what I post in twitter to go out on Facebook... but I don't want everything I put on Facebook to go to twitter... both end up here... I am sure a solution is right under my nose but I just started using FriendFeed seriously two days ago so I am still learning all it's capabilities. Any suggestions? And Scoble, did you still want to chat?
- Sid Burgess
Sid: lets chat tomorrow. Sorry.
- Robert Scoble
sorry to ask something off topic but is there a way to do a date range search on FF?
- Gary Gannon
One question I kept asking myself was whether I wanted to follow someone on twitter whom I was already subscribed to on FF. I've decided no.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
didnt hate it till i started using seesmic desktop more :) now i want to stop feeding twitter into facebook
- sean percival
While this is annoying for those who use multiple services, I think we're some time away before it becomes a problem for most folks. On the list of things to fix about these services, this is low priority. Smart filtering tools will sort this out, helped by more centralized control for users on where things go out.
- Brad_King
Agree - personally, I no longer "auto post" twitter and Facebook. As to friendfeed, I am watching it but not really using it as "central"
- Mick Yates
the reason why i can't avoid cross posting is that i know people who follows twitter+ff+fb, but also people who is only on fb, or twitter, and i'd like all of them to be able to read what i'm talking about...
- Ivy /composmentis
Micah: Installed SIMBL & GreaseKit but haven't seen anything to make FriendFeed less ugly. Do I need a script?
- Gib
Gary: I don't know how to do a date-range limited search in friendfeed. There's a lot of stuff still missing in the search features here.
- Robert Scoble
thanks Robert...night all
- Gary Gannon
WOW!!! Check this google search out... this conversation comes up...
- Andrew Acomb
Sorta fast, not bad.
- Colin
Andrew: wow, Google is going real time!
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is twisting their arm...
- Andrew Acomb
I like how it showed up from Scoble and Loic in the sub-result
- Colin
Andrew, thanks, I just Tweeted that Google search.
- Robert Scoble
I never, ever crosspost to FB. For a number of reasons, not the least of which is that my mother doesn't need to read all the geek stuff I post :) I wish folks would stop sending Twitter to FB, too
- Karoli
Interesting, then we'll no longer need gmail ?
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
what's what's what's to to to discuss discuss discuss ? ? ?
- Ted Russ
Just realized that my comments were being sent to twitter as well. Oops, just turned that off:)
- Shawn Hickman
It's about time you realized that. I always disliked those Friendfeed -> Twitter reposts.
- Morton Fox
Ted: nothing nothing nothing, go go go on on on with with with your your your lives lives lives.
- Robert Scoble
Morton: THOSE I am not going to stop.
- Robert Scoble
Morton: but I scientifically am engineering each one to start a conversation now. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I do enjoy sending my "likes" to twitter though
- Shawn Hickman
Chacun a son gout! I find twitter is a good place to park a thought in public. I know people who read my twitter posts who will never join facebook and vice versa. Many's the time when a twitter post has sparked off a really good conversation in facebook.
- Nic Price
Robert: sorry about the delay coming back.. I was reading the bazzilion comments here!!! Man, this place is much different than twitter or Facebook... very fast paced.
- Sid Burgess
Sid: it's only occassionally like this here. Most of the time items don't get any engagement.
- Robert Scoble
while it goes with the territory i understand cross posting for many is necessary since it is reaching different audiences. it's the nature of the infrastructures. however, friendfeed's detection of similar content and providing a nested link may be on to something. grouping up related topics by the same poster across platforms may help filter much of the redundancy. having them nested...
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- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
There's no hard and fast rule for reposting, it depends on your twitter audience and what you want to achieve. It's an option, after all.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Back to the topic... what about a greasemonkey script to cut out duplicates? It wont be helpful for everyone but it eliminates the issue of the platforms adapting and solves the issue at the end user.
- Sid Burgess
Sid: that's above my pay grade.
- Robert Scoble
Gib, grab the userscript here: http://userstyles.org/styles... but make sure you use the "Load as user script" button (can't be a user style, need to be a user script for GreaseKit). It's a distinctive look, I actually prefer the native FF design most of the time, but the comment highlighting alone is worth the price of admission. Anyway, you can customize it from there.
- Micah Wittman
Robert, ouch ;)
- Micah Wittman
also, I find the conversations take on different tones depending on which service/site they're happening on - depending on levels of familiarity etc.
- Nic Price
sorry, another question: Is there a keyboard shortcut for commenting? I am too lazy to want to have to scroll up every time I see someone say something I want to "opinionate" on. :) Where is my easy button? ;)
- Sid Burgess
perhaps i'm biased but i've never invested much on greasemonkey since -as far as i understand it- it only affects locally, client-side & does not reflect what others would typically see. it's more of a local solution to a more widely distributed problem.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
cutting out the duplicates wouldn't work because the posts may trigger different conversations in each place - merging them together might make nonsense of the flow
- Nic Price
sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq: But isn't that Robert's issue? I guess that begs the question, if someone cross posts in the forest and Robert Scoble never saw it, did it actually happen? I like the user end solution because if it bothers you, in 15 seconds you could (theoretically) make it go away. If you don't mind, you don't install the script. I have a few scripts that I enjoy using so I am biased toward them.
- Sid Burgess
Yes, cutting dups with a client-side script would be difficult because of realtime updates bubbling posts up to the top.
- Micah Wittman
Sid, no easy button, but you can use my script that adds a Comment and Like links to the bottom of a thread http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah Wittman
sid: i suppose what i'm arguing for is more of a universal solution that does not require installing yet another script. it's something that other users may come across that could havea more elegant solution. don't get me wrong, i'm all for mods, hacks, and scripts but i think that problems like that can be better solved in broader strokes -more utility for more users with the least effort.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
just realised I followed Robert's link here from twitter!
- Nic Price
It doesn't deal with dups, but here's a user script you can use to filter out (hide) @-replies and/or posts with a list of stop words you can define http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah Wittman
Nic Price: I'm not talking about cutting out duplicates, just grouping them together so they don't clutter up the stream like a Twitter conversation. FriendFeed could take the first instance of the content item to enter the stream and designate it as the lead item. All the subsequent posts could be added to it under a drop down arrow. You can comment on any of them but at least group them together, tidy the stream.
- Paul Jacobson
Micah: Thanks for the scripts! Ahhh, my easy button works!
- Sid Burgess
Maybe this is only an issue for power users. I can't see casual followers on any single system being hit with the realization what they've read is showing up in all the places they read. They just aren't as nuts about all this as we are and maybe that's a good thing.
- Jack Humphrey
Blackfeathers: I completely understand what you are hoping for... I just don't believe it will ever happen unless all social media platforms start using one single unified stream or code (like html is for the internet)
- Sid Burgess
sid: perhaps this whole ghoulash of stuff will eventually boil down into more internet standards that will some day work. granted companies by nature will have proprietary technologies and core competencies, but a level of workability across platforms may be necessary. the momentum has gradually started with efforts towards openid, facebook connect, and the like. it may be the beginning...
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- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Paul Jacobson: agreed, the grouping of conversations sounds good. I guess there's also the issue about permissions and conversations happening in public vs private.
- Nic Price
I setup as "main entrance" of posting FF where import also RSS from blog, public Delicious, and Shared from GReader, then via yahoo pipe I setup an rss for import ((My FF stream) + (My FFlikes)) into Facebook notes... then i read on TW, FF and GReader, but post only on FF... seems perfect except for the pain of notes import on Facebook that is awful and buggy :(
- CantorJF
Someone once told me - it's not who follows you, it's who you follow. Hence, I follow different people on my regularly visited platforms so I don't have a cross posting problem. ;)
- Mona Nomura
I am going to have to reread your comment again in the morning when I can process it better... it sounds interesting. I have often wondered about setting up a "mother pipe of all yahoo pipes" which would allow me to post content into a field on a form. The content would then go do it's thing and not duplicate and the replies or feedback from the post would come back to a simple thread (like this one) and the process could start all over.
- Sid Burgess
It seems that it would be immensely valuable to so many people who use social media as tool for their business.
- Sid Burgess
@Mona Nomura: what if a person you follow on twitter, and you don't follow on ff, starts on ff a conversation about something posted on twitter?
- Ivy /composmentis
Nic Price: I am sure the gurus behind the scenes can figure all that stuff out.
- Paul Jacobson
Ivy /composmentis - my head just exploded.
- Mona Nomura
just thinking out loud. an open source laconica-style interface with threaded discussions seems like one possible way. each user can be on separate services. but unlike info silos, everybody can get up to speed in a single-threaded discussion -similar to blind carbon copy emails. if anything happens it might involve an infrastructure change in transparency. at the granular level, much of the temporal mechanics can be learned & carry over from tcp/ip defragmenting of packets...
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Blackfeathers: so in essence you are saying I can have my cake and eat it?
- Sid Burgess
Yup...see the same thing, and don't like that I inadvertently spam my followers/friends.
- Carlton Hackett
Sid, you're welcome.
- Micah Wittman
sid: just seeing a possible outcome. it can be like a light at the end of a very long tunnel. users would have to change over time and realize what's going on. 'twitter++' could require funneling & processing the twitter stream (as friendfeed and other services are doing but with more sophistication). this would mute out its own direct usefulness as a single entity for a next higher...
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- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Totally agree: Especially the thing that some people do: Syncing their Twitter feed to Facebook. To me, Twitter is for conversations, Facebook for status messages and more general "What am I doing".
- Oyvind Solstad
I used to keep my FB seperate from Twitter and FF. Now I see all of my FF posts on my FB. But no one is to blame but myself for clicking on that "link" button. I may ''unlink" if such a thing exists.
- Carol E
Go to: http://www.facebook.com/editapp... ; From there you can edit settings to where your posts are no longer published on your FB wall, seen only by you, etc. Good luck!
- Carol E
http://friendfeed.com/setting... ; Here you can control your FF/Twitter postings.
- Carol E
I wish the aggregation services like FriendFeed were smart enough to recognize when someone is using ping (or whatever tool) to spam their stuff to every service out there when they post something and just show it to you ONCE. I really hate the cross-posting that occurs, too. It just creates so much noise. I generally unfollow/unfriend people across ALL services when they do the...
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- Christopher A. Wichura
The other problem with cross-posting, is any responses are now in separate places in separate threads of conversation.
- Christopher A. Wichura
It's interesting seeing how advanced the discussion is here. I know plenty of intelligent and net-aware people who don't even know what FF or Twitter really are yet. It's gotta be client solutions, since plenty of people already have their own mental view of what each service is for. RT is valuable, because it expands ideas across different social circles (preferably, with a comment why too). I'd love to see laconi.ca API take over as a base, but doubt it will.
- Shane Curcuru
I also hate cross-posting within Friendfeed itself, I just hate to see the same URL shared by lots of other friends. There has to be someway to globalize the links and show only the views of my friends from that.
- Jayavasanthan J
Yes I am tending to agree, its a bit strange to see the same things. The amount of original content at any one time is really not that high.
- Robert
Well, I agree. Thanks to Friendfeed though, my accounts are behaving like cross posting. Everything I do on Facebook, Digg, Youtube, Last.fm gets relaid back to FF and FF relays it back to Twitter. If I do something on Twitter, it comes to FF as well...
- Manuel Mas
Usenet groups where so much better
- Michele Costabile
Some things should be cross posted: Freedom isn't free... Honor our veterans by taking a moment to Join the Memorial Day group on facebook http://bit.ly/zngxm
- Bob Stewart
Cross posting can be annoying but as there are now so many posting platforms it seems inevitable, it is simply some peoples response to having so many similar but not identical systems. Either an ettiquette needs to be established or some way to better interconnect things like Twitter, FF, Facebook is needed
- Robert Davies
There are too many of these stupid things. Facebook's a winner and loser; it'll win "personal," lose "public" content. Twitter's a loser, too limited in uses, e.g. no real discussions. Friendfeed (or similar) will win.
- Maxwell Kennerly
this is getting annoying indeed... Ive started to use FF more than twitter now. Is there a FF blackberry app?
- Nigel Walsh
Nigel, have you tried fftogo? Not full featured, but works on ANY mobile.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
While I dislike cross posting myself I'm highly guilty of doing it. I blame the disconnected decentralized websites and mediums causing needs to do it. There is no single decentralized network message bus/format. Someone needs to sit down and write an RFC so things will continue to work years after the initial companies FAIL and we can just move on to better problems to solve instead of doing the same ones over and over.
- rob friedman
Yeah, what Rob said.
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
We need a sort of Digg system that presents material based on an aggregated contact list from our different networks. It should recognize duplicate submissions and I suppose it could also rank content using exponential weighting based on the degrees of separation between viewer and submitter. If this already exists, please point me to it.
- Benjamin Winters
Each service I use has a specific purpose - I don't cross post anything :)
- Chris Saad
If each service had a specific purpose, then all these websites would stop trying to be everyone's everything online, adding new features or design tweaks that copy another site each week.
- rob friedman
@Rob those sites don't get it and will not survive. I use twitter for microblogging, I use wordpress for blogging, I use flickr for photos and video. Everything gets aggregated into FriendFeed so that people can subscribe to a singe stream. What else do I need?
- Chris Saad
Cross posting comes off like some form of Tourette's or short-term memory loss. You might understand the problem but it's still annoying.
- AJ Kohn
@chris, Well what you need is subjective. WordPress is a blog, and is trying to become a (self)hosted twitter for everyone. Flickr is just a hyper networked gallery installation. FriendFeed is a feed aggregation website, too many similar FOSS to list, special because it does HTTP long polling to the web browser client making updates seem "real" time to the user. Twitter is short, easy has feeds and works via SMS. All want to have a real time conversation or content archived on the web.
- rob friedman
I think that an other way to put the question is this: the content I create in the web is scattered everywhere and often is out of my control. In the old days of NNTP, my postings in the news where searchable and all the communication directed to me was in my inbox. Today things are disperse and aggregators, like FF create problems as they solve other problems. I think I would like to...
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- Michele Costabile
who doesn't crosspost nowadays?
- polou/indigo_bow
Crosspost is the new "forward"
- Andrea Grassi
Heh ... for us old tymers when "the Net" meant Usenet, cross-posting has some good aspects and many bad aspects.
- JoWazzoo
Drop Facebook
- Estelle Metayer
I still try to post different content, and post content relevant to the readership, you know Mashable is posting different stuffs on Facebook, Twitter (the only time crosspost with their website) and Friendfeed (some content may be similar).
- polou/indigo_bow
Cross-posting from Twitter to Friendfeed started to bug me a few weeks ago when I realized most of my tweets where of no interest to people in Friendfeed. I just realized that I can save a custom search from Twitter and use it to filter the messages that get cross-posted using a hashtag (like Selective Twitter for Facebook does). The point is: more granular control of cross-posting.
- Andrés David Aparicio
Thank http://ping.fm and talk to Chris Pirillo, it works well for him.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Seriously, folks got together on OAuth. Can they get together on a GUID (Globally Unique Identifier) on messages? At least then client developers (and UI alike) could develop methods of shrinking duplicate original content.
- Jason Nunnelley
the feedalizr app removes or hides duplicates from your stream so you dont see the same Twitter and Friendfeed posts more than once www.feedalizr.com
- Rafiq Phillips
Are you addicted?
ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,, Kol Tregaskes, Nicholas James and 40 other people liked this
seeing that I read this whilst on the loo with iPhone I guess I am!
- Matt Stevens
matt: LOL
- Tyler Gillies
+10 Matt :)))
- Nir Ben Yona
well, i bring a laptop into the restroom.
- David H. Chu
that makes two of us reading iPhones in the loo.
- George Hall (Australia)
David: Ha. I can definitely understand the iPhone thing, but taking a laptop into the loo is something that probably requires other arrangements, eh.
- Nir Ben Yona
A modern way to check you mail in the loo: http://www.thedesignblog.org/entry...
- Jokin Lacalle
Yes I am, do it all the time
- Veetrag
Jokin: interesting concept.
- Nir Ben Yona
This is for my 60,000 bots. Please comment here:
ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,, Jay, Roberto Bonini and 29 other people liked this
Hi
- Byron McCollum
Hi
- Ken Sheppardson
Hi
- Chris Lawrence
Can I get a whut-whut?
- Derrick
Hi
- Andy
Hello.
- Praveen Vasudev
Want to meet hot girls in your area? Follow me!
- Greg Byrne
I like turtles
- Eric Booth
lol
- Gary Gannon
what is your directive master?
- Wilson Dyer
Hi
- Andrew Trinh
Hi!
- BenKarl
well you just got my first ever friendfeed comment
- JeremyLevine
yeah me too
- BenKarl
bleep
- Brian Hendrickson
Exterminate.
- David Lloyd
Bot not the bon mot.
- Michelle Riggen-Ransom
im a bot!...?????????
- christian flickinger
Ack
- Kevin Johnson
C:\>
- Jared Smith
~:root>
- christian flickinger
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- Johni Fisher
i dont like friendfeed
- christian flickinger
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- Veetrag
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- Thomas Ward
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- Tom Horn
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- christian flickinger
ERROR: FAILED CAPTCHA INPUT
- Carlton Prest
If you want my Botty and you think I'm Scobie
- Eric Booth
"Find a need fill a need"
- Rick Bucich
I just found more new friendfeed users in the past minute than I have in a week! Welcome bots! Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
This has all happened before... and it will happen again.
- David Lloyd
1010011010011000100.............2
- Eric Booth
Looks like you found your loophole...
- Kevin Lauer
..still listening...
- DoreenatDMS
If you say so.
- Gary McFarlane
The rain in Spain stays mainly on the plain.
- Nate Lane
What we do, is who we become; success then is a habit not a destination. Think Magic!
- Brian Hendrickson
Christian Flickinger: why not?
- Robert Scoble
This is the Phillip Seymour Hoffman feed right??
- Pogmohoin
The more conscious You become of what limits You, the more limitless You become. Think Magic!
- Brian Hendrickson
Are we trying to load test FriendFeed?
- Bret Piatt
[LURCH VOICE] You rang?
- Michael Markman
DOES NOT COMPUTE!
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Meep Meep.
- drew olanoff
"If you think you can, You probably will; if you think you can't, You probably won't. Think Magic!
- Brian Hendrickson
Hello
- nelsonrt
*Bump*
- Byron McCollum
boo ya
- Ryan Erickson
Sorry but I just unfollowed http://twitter.com/lagresto for those 3 tweets so I pasted 'em here
- Brian Hendrickson
Is this the line for the new Star Trek movie?
- Odi Chi
Four score and seven years ago people did weird math
- Eric Booth
I'm following everyone on this thread now. Where's the other 59,900 bots?
- Robert Scoble
Press the "like" button above
- David Lloyd
This new streaming feed interface feels like Web 2.0 IRC except I can't see who is in the room!
- Bret Piatt
Is BuddyFeed for the iPhone worth the $2.99?
- Gary Gannon
You coming back to Google IO this year?
- Josh Turmel
I'm not witty enough for a bot joke <insert one here please> :)
- Fred Garrett
bots?
- David Gross
I wish I was a bot. My life would be so much easier.
- Eric Booth
I love a good oil bath
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Greetings Robert
- Gabe Diaz
Hi Brett.
- Byron McCollum
-t
- Byron McCollum
er, I registered for friendfeed, like you told me, oh master, but I still haven't figured out how to turn it on yet...
- Paul Tudor
Excellent !
- Renchin(Reina)
bot bot bot
- patrick
Please to make your beneficent acquaintance. Contact me for your benificiaries which you are owed.
- Geoff Cain
im a bot, a bot a big big bottt
- Conrad Barrett
bot bot!
- Guan Yang
how do you get a link to the single post with all the comments?
- Byron McCollum
nevermind, its the "9 minutes ago" link
- Byron McCollum
Byron: the timestamp is the permalink.
- Robert Scoble
These aren't the bots you're looking for.
- Matt Thompson
from fftogo
ahhA forgot my line ..
- Ahmed Mubbashir Khan
Domo Arigato Mr. Roboto....
- Dann Ledwick
Hey, Matt, when you gonna import your Tweets?
- Robert Scoble
I already had a friendfeed acct. Which I ignore. Just like the Facebook acct I ignore too. If I wanted to follow you on FF, I would. Twitter works for me.
- Trine Curtis
Ha, ha - not a bot! I broke the rules - I'm so punk rock! :)
- Colleen O'Donnell Pierce
Trine: I don't get that. Following Twitter users here is a lot better than following them on Twitter. Colleen: you aren't a bot, I'm already following you here.
- Robert Scoble
I'll stick with just Twitter, tyvm
- Gil Sharon
101110011001010101010101010001
- cooper
Check out my website! http://freebusinessadvice.com
- Jesse Stay
Gil: I can see why you'd stick with Twitter. You have nothing to say.
- Robert Scoble
IM not a bot
- Arjun Kumar
zing
- Byron McCollum
BOT???? Hmmm....I wonder if I really am just becoming a bot.
- Semipro
Well, then FF is misleading me, because I want to follow all of my Twitter users here, not just the ones on FF.
- Trine Curtis
Arjun: prove it.
- Robert Scoble
A bot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second laws.
- dthree
robots have no humor hahahaha
- Arjun Kumar
I tweet, therefore I am
- tom
Trine: ahh, you are caught by the Twitter lock in. You want to follow the bots over on Twitter. Cool. Notice that I have 90,000 followers. Notice how many said anything in response to me. Almost none. Twitter is all bots all the time.
- Robert Scoble
Trine: not that there's anything wrong with bots, see. I love collecting them too over on Twitter. Turn on auto following and you'll get tons of bots. Get onto the recommended follower list you'll get even more. Look at the people following Oprah. All bots.
- Robert Scoble
?
- Nick Humphries
Yeah the conversation is much more real here, I've only got four subscribers and I still interact a lot more on FF than Twitter.
- Chris Lawrence
Nick: how can you tell a bot on Twitter? Look at Oprah's followers. http://twitter.com/Oprah... They don't have real avatars. They don't Tweet. They don't follow anyone except for recommended followers. They are bots!
- Robert Scoble
Chris: shhhh, don't get the bots upset. They might start spamming here.
- Robert Scoble
:O
- Chris Lawrence
I have less than 100 people following me and I don't really care who any of them are. I'm talking about who I am choosing to follow.
- Trine Curtis
Did anyone insert something witty for me yet?
- Fred Garrett
<3 <3 panda panda pandas <3 <3
- suecosby
Hi. I'm here for the bot party.
- Joseph Ferris
from fftogo
Bot coming onboard
- dcale1965
social botnets
- Kevin Johnson
Periodic bot checkin.
- DGentry
I have importd all my tweets, I just don't have many. And anyway, since I started using ff, most of them are just my likes anyway. You'd notice that if you were following me. :)
- Matt Thompson
from fftogo
robert can you or someone else here recommend a friendfeed app for iphone
- Paul Tudor
Wait, is there some kind of catch to this?
- Chris Leake
I'm an IA bot, I learn from the system. Or maybe I'm a crazy human who knows!
- Jorge
bot bot bot
- Frank Moher
if i were a robot, i'd want to be made of liquid metal.
- Andrew Feinberg
All your base are belong to us.
- ashish
ok, ok ok ... i tweet there IM (tx to Paisano on that one) ...i'm bluetrain #4 .. i'm a crazy deranged fool, now i'm a bot ..geez .. whadda am i gonna be tomorrow?!?
- DoreenatDMS
Paul: what is wrong with Safari on your iPhone? I use friendfeed on my iPhone every day.
- Robert Scoble
I have nothing to say? Does saying something require 100 entries/tweets/FF posts a day?
- Gil Sharon
Hi, I'm a bot, who are you? *In a loren voice*
- Daynah
fair call robert, thx, boy you certainly started something here!
- Paul Tudor
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- Louis Gray
IN THE FUTURE THERE IS ONLY ONE KIND OF DANCE, THE ROBOT.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
I'm hearing you.but I can't understand English completely. Now lunch time in Japan. Have to Go back to my job quickly.
- Ken Okabe
Where is the thumbs down button /me log off'd
- Doubledown_inSL
Bot I'm not a bot
- Greig
beep beep beep blip blip blip, yes master
- Rodzilla
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- Ken Okabe
~lart Robert
- Jesse Stay
ha ha
- Peggy Dolane
I'm sorry <del>Dave</del> Robert, I'm afraid I can't do that.
- Andrew Smith
Why would I comment, it is good to listen
- WRider
Hi!
- Micah Maziar
WRider: maybe some people want to listen to you. Micah: hi!
- Robert Scoble
PUDDING!
- Johnny Worthington
Hello hello!
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- Johnny Worthington
plz 2 send me the codez, kthx
- Chrimmus Tad
c:/>_
- Thomas Chai
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- Dennis Jackson
warning warning will robinscoble
- David Dudley
Shift add shift pop
- Robert Hafer
I am definitely going to comment...
- Kaleb F.
"I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm a... fraid. "
- Mahesh CR
Bad Robot!
- Alan Thornton
Never pet a burning dog!
- Zig Baird
Hello hello :)
- Kimberly Frederick
BLEEP BLORP
- Nick
rrrbitt. btw, was talking to Thomas Tague from Thomson Reuters Open Calais today about finding your live conversation w/ Jimmy Wales via Feedly and Calais - go Bot go!
- michael sean wright
Howdeh. :)
- mjc
"Why was I designed to feel pain?"
- Outsanity
*bleep dit bork bloop*
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
“We are all robots when uncritically involved with our technologies.” -Marshall McLuhan
- SCpalmetto
testing 123
- Monique
456
- Robert Scoble
ibot: add 1+1
- Jesse Stay
!= bot
- Justin
Bot and paid for with a twollar.
- Michael Osterman
I are not a bot
- Angus Burton
Angus: I knew that already cause I was already following you here. No need to prove it again.
- Robert Scoble
Come to my site for free video on how you can get 1,5 million followers, like CNN
- Axel Buhrmann
I'm a bot? Well if Scoble says, I must be. Beep!
- Gautam Ghosh
So you've found us out
- James Harrison
Oh, haha wasn't sure what exactly this was so I thought I'd add to the spam ;). I get it now, though
- Angus Burton
Too many bots...huh..
- Krishnamoorthy
I'm not a bot :)
- Joseph Burford
"we are the robots" kraftwerk, 1977 http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Manuel
if (following > followers * 100) { printf("I'm a bot") }
- Justin Howard
BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT
- John Apps
Hi Robert
- Andy Gongea
scoblefall
- metalerik
still far away from 60,000 .. Bots, move your a**es!
- Toni @ NavinoT
ERROR: divide by zero
- Robert O'Callaghan
Hello Robert. Nice to meet you here !
- Guy Vander Heyden
Du dii biiip
- Yunus Tunak
I'm sorry Robert, I'm afraid I can't do that.
- Brome
come on baby tell me I am a good bot.. come on.. Do you feel better now.. Was that good for you.. who's a good bot.. say my name.
- Varun "Maverick" Pitale
Varun: you're not a bot, so you're not a good bot. Or a bad bot. How do I know that? I have my ways!
- Robert Scoble
Hi
- Sam Guzman
REALLY???!?!? No one used this? Ok...................... Scobot
- Johnny Worthington
Sam: that's what bots always say. Heheh. Hi back.
- Robert Scoble
Did someone call me a "Scobot?" Hmmm.
- Robert Scoble
Do bots say this? :)
- Sam Guzman
I've been sitting on that for 2 hours Robert... :P
- Johnny Worthington
If I'm a bot, than I think I can pass the touring test :)
- Liviu Lica
I think you are a friendfeed machine, if that qualifies you as a scobot...
- Sam Guzman
"Come with me if you want to live."
- Sam Guzman
ping
- Jérôme Flipo
101010101010
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
pong
- Jürgen Grah
May I respectfully remind you, Sir, that I am a protocol droid, and that the Coruscant convention explicitly deprecated the term robot in favor of droid, and thus the term robot now is considered as pejorative and having negative connotation when targeted at a droid. My training in diplomacy, associated to the fact that I have nothing that could be used as a weapon, mean that there is...
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- Antoine Bertier
Beep!
- Ciaoenrico
Hi
- Ken O'Kelly
Hi
- Nils Sandin
اسکوبل هم فهمیده باید به میرحسین رای بده...
- Sajjad
دقیقا =))
- سولماز
Hello all, I may be a Roybott but I'm not a bot! :)
- Roy Herrod
As a bot, am I banned from intimacy parties?
- Matthew Schrock
Bot did you say? That does not compute.
- James Schipper
error
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
Trying to figure out who actually follows and reads your posts. Very intersting you on have 210+ comments in 9 hours. I am sure FF is thankful anyone stress test comments and the overload of data that might occur.
- Richard Gallo
H\lo
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Not a Bot.
- Brian Hill
Not a bot---I just do what the voices in my head tell me to do. :-)
- elspmdi
I'm not smart enough to be a bot.
- Michael McKean
What were those robot laws again?
- Mark Traphagen
Mark: You mean Asimov's Laws of Robotics?
- MλTT
robots in disguise
- (jeff)isageek
ff教教主！
- K.D.
Hi
- 士慷
I do not understand those foreign comments, so they must be from bots.
- Mark Traphagen
I'm sorry Robert, I can't do that.
- Duncan Blake
Bad Robot!
- CAJ, somewhere else
hi
- Mihai Mocanu
Hi Robert.
- Roberto Bonini
Hi :)
- Nicholas James
Insanity!
- Pico Seno
comment posted... ya'll should know that the G1 on this iPhone ff version has issues with posted comments showing
- Andrew Deal
Hi Robert, I know... that's why I'm such a rulebreaker, by crashing the bot party. I wanted to find out if bots are hot! :)
- Colleen O'Donnell Pierce
I had an aim bot for Wolfenstein Enemy Territory, but I only used it in matches that approved of such things.
- Ryan Dadey
@scobleizer why would you want to do this? ...sorry I'm only curious
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
ERROR
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Twitter is best from my Blackberry.
- Gustavo Gomez
test
- RoMA
I am a real human. Except at night. In my black cape I keep an eye on the city... Oh. Wait. I was supposed to keep that a secret.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
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