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leolaporte: The Twitter-Bing deal underscores the problem with data silos. Shouldn't search be universal? They're my tweets, not theirs. - http://twitter.com/leolapo...
Arnold Goodway, Dedegi, Andy Bakun and 21 other people liked this
If they're "your tweets" why do you put them in Twitter? The 'silos' argument continues to leak oil. Search is what search vendors make it -- nothing is universal.
- Cliff Gerrish
It's a net neutrality issue. Twitter offers full access to the stream of data (our tweets) only to the highest bidder, not universally. ALL search engines (and others) should have full and equal access to this dataset.
- Leo Laporte
Totally agree with Leo, a worst case scenario is Bing gets exclusive access to both FB and Twitter. At that point everyone needs to get working on PubSubHubBub, rssCloud and/or FriendFeed2 and decentralize social networks. They are becoming a basic communication mechanism and they seem to reside under the control of 3-4 people. Imagine if email had been under the control of 2 companies for the last couple decades.
- Ed Millard
Completely agree with Leo, I wasn't sure of this but they way Leo puts it, makes clear that its net neutrality issue
- Veetrag
Right on Leo. I first heard about this stuff from Brian Hendrickson and Dave Winer, but Marc Canters been raising hell about it for a while.
- Mark Essel
Net neutrality is forced upon companies by us, the users. That's why I think this will never become any issue. We can just drop Twitter for something else like identi.ca if we start to feel locked in. There are always other solutions and other platforms waiting for us. That's is what's so great about the Internet.
- Rutger Blom
Sounds like a nationalize Twitter argument to me. All search engines may spider the public pages. Why should they also have access to Twitter's internals?
- Cliff Gerrish
And since they're "your tweets" why don't you publish them or make them available to search engines yourself. Wouldn't that be the most 'distributed' solution?
- Cliff Gerrish
Exactly.
- Rutger Blom
Um, isn't net neutrality about access to the net? It doesn't guarantee access to data; I, for one, don't want my bank records, for example, to be freely accessible to any search engine. Or anyone else for that matter.
- Mistletoe Glen
In addition, it looks like Google will also have a deal with Twitter. The Bing deal is non-exclusive. The introduction of the term 'net neutrality' is completely orthogonal.
- Cliff Gerrish
I can see his point I mean yeah they are his/our words. But aren't we giving up ownership of those words in exchange for using their service? Yeah I bitch about things like, reliability issues with services like twitter all the time but its free. And in using it I have [been] exposed to ideas and opinions I otherwise might not have been.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
J. Abdul-Qahar: true enough, I was thinking about this today: the value proposition of web sites that connect people. Somehow they draw us in, and instigate us to share, and interact in ways we might normally not have. I have met so many wonderful folks online, and gotten so much incredible information, all for the price of my attention and time. My only wish is that I get to keep my social connections somehow, external to the networks which draw us all in.
- Mark Essel
Look, friendfeed is awesome. Will it remain that way without development, certainly not over the long run. They could open the source base, and allow open source development to keep it rich, and I think ads would pay for server costs. Just let it go and live or die on its own.
- Mark Essel
The basic FF Tornado server is already open source. It has demos with basic functionality, Google login authentication very simple blog, chat and facebook client. Unfortunately I don't think they've open sourced the actual FF server so it would be quite a bit of development work to get Tornado back to the same level of functionality as the current FF server. Hard to say if you could pull it off and get the existing FF user base to migrate in tact and then grow it again.
- Ed Millard
For me its like this. Since I'm not paying ANY money for using a service, when the owners/developers hatch what seems like a well laid plan (or even a hair brained scheme) intended to provide the funds necessary to keep the service going; what can I say? Except of course, good luck. As for open source ff, as hard as they have worked on it, I cant see asking, or expecting them to "hand it over to the community" just because we like it.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
We're likely to migrate anyway. Most of us already use many social tools, and information searching/aggregating resources. But unfortunately, without dedicated support I can't see friendfeed keeping up with alternatives, even alternatives as limited as the other social streams I use (facebook, Twitter).
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
To be honest I don't really want tweets to be in search. It's bad enough that engines are filled with crappy blogs* and price comparison sites. I want my search to be authoritative. Seems lille this will creat a)noise b)tweet 'seo' and c) tweet seo 'experts'. *unless your a spammer this is unlikely to refer to you
- Phill Price
from iPhone
Phill: sorry, there are SOME Tweets that will help search. I'm seeing those come through all the time. http://twitter.com/favorit... has more than six thousand tweets -- all of which should be on search.
- Robert Scoble
Glen: "net neutrality" and "universal access", I'm sure you know, are the government's buzzwords they're using to ram their toe into the door. Next comes the rest of the foot, then the calf, and when they're finished they've opened the door wide so that THEY have access to all of the data as well. It's for the children, ya know.
- Craig Eddy
I want realtime search. Are Bing and Google going to provide this? Otherwise there are other tools that do a better job. Like TweetDeck.
- Rutger Blom
Rutger: my tweet showed up on Bing nearly instantly yesterday. So that's pretty real time to me. Bing and Google have access to the FULL firehose feed. Real time is here baby! Now, is it useful? That's another question.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: didn't know that. Sounds awesome.
- Rutger Blom
The cost of search will be proportional to demand, according to the theory. $D
- Donald C. Lindsay
Robert: how does bing compare in overall latency to friendfeed search?
- Mike Chelen
It is interesting to see some technologist assume we are still in 2002. We didn't have low-cost cloud hosting for scaling back then.
Boiled Frog, Daniel Rowley, Jérôme Flipo and 12 other people liked this
Who?
- Jesse Stay
Rogers Cadenhead
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I presume this is RE " I publish the Drudge Retort, which has around 16,000 subscribers, including 1,000 who get the feeds using desktop software on their home computers. If I add cloud support and all of my subscribers have cloud-enabled readers, each time I update the Retort, my cloud update server will be sending around 1,050 notifications to computers running RSS readers -- 1,000 to...
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- Ken Sheppardson
never heard of him
- Jesse Stay
Ken: yup.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
But Robert, you have to remember we're talking about bloggers who in some cases have yet to nail down stuff like doing regular software updates and a backup strategy, let alone concepts like "cloud hosting". ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Jesse: some context http://workbench.cadenhead.org/news...
- scott anderson
Ken: that barb is so last week!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Sorry, Robert. Couldn't resist :-) My point, barbs aside, is that there are probably a whole lot of self-hosted bloggers out there who've just signed up for a $20/mo VPS, turned on caching, and hope for the best. They're just bloggers/writers/publishers, not technologists.
- Ken Sheppardson
I turned on rssCloud in our Wordpress blog, inberkeley.com. Seems to be holding up fine. Don't know what people are so worried about. Seriously, there was just this kind of angst about RSS in 1999. People who really understood scaling knew that it could never work. They wrote long essays that proved it. Silly of me to go ahead anyway. :-)
- Dave Winer
How many subscriber callbacks are you servicing on inberkeley.com at the moment, Dave?
- Ken Sheppardson
I think part of the problem is people feel they now have to choose between PSHB and rssCloud. People are trying to compare the two and figure out which one is "best".
- Jesse Stay
I'd like to hear Dave make his case for why rssCloud is better than PSHB on its merits without muddying the waters by defining what a bootstrap is, calling out evil companies like Google and Twitter, or acting like a martyr.
- scott anderson
Scott, do you make a Twitter client or some kind of publishing tool? What's in it for me to convince you to use my tools? And btw, you assume that I have a problem if you use PSHB -- and that's incorrect. I think they do great work and deserve your consideration. And since we're all doing open source here, it's not as if anyone has a financial incentive to get your support. Honestly, I don't care which way you go.
- Dave Winer
This isn't 2001, but if RSSCloud is intended to make possible a decentralized Twitter, the usage requirements are significantly higher than what UserLand was doing when it shut down its cloud servers. 1 Twitter-like blog updated 10 times an hour to 2,000 cloud-enabled subscribers equals 20,000 requests of the same 15K full feed just to get the most recent update (286 megabytes of bandwidth in that hour). And that's just one blog, and not one used at Scoble-like levels. Good luck with that.
- Rogers Cadenhead
Rogers, so what do *you* recommend? The more solutions the better, IMO.
- Jesse Stay
As I said on my blog post, I think the most promising route to go would be XMPP (Jabber's protocol) and peer-to-peer. I haven't looked into PSHB yet, so perhaps it answers the scaling and firewall concerns.
- Rogers Cadenhead
I like seeing all these different solutions. It means some really big problems are going to be solved.
- Jesse Stay
Rogers: a dirty little secret of Twitter is most people don't publish at all and even heavy users like me only publish 20 times a day. I am tracking about 2,500 of the best geeks and the average is around five times a day. That makes the scale problem a lot less than you are making it out to be.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I'm curious how well OMB scales right now. I believe it utilizes XMPP IIRC
- Jesse Stay
Dave: I am working on an application framework for Android that is modeled on feeds (lists of lists) where the entries that don't reference other feeds describe widgets. There is also a server component (CMS and publishing tools). There is nothing in it for you to convince me to use your tools. I am not assuming that you have a problem with PSHB ... I read your post where you stated...
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- scott anderson
Jesse: OMB doesn't use XMPP, it basically calls for servers to push items to each other via HTTP POSTs. http://openmicroblogging.org/protoco...
- Ken Sheppardson
I just wrote that PubSubHubbub/XMPP gateway tonight. There's more info in this blog post here: http://grack.com/blog... It solves the issue of desktop readers behind firewalls by pushing the notifications over XMPP. PubSubHubbub is fun and simple to work with.
- Matt Mastracci
typo, "The XMPP events are transmitted the desktop client" missing "to"
- Jean-Patrick Smith
Jean-Patrick: thanks, fixed.
- Matt Mastracci
np, cheers
- Jean-Patrick Smith
from IM
Matt, that's really cool technology. Very interesting.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, thanks. PubSubHubbub has a good "behind the firewall" story now, IMO.
- Matt Mastracci
Matt, yeah - that has been one of the flaws of these real-time protocols.
- Jesse Stay
Matt, does that take the Atom feed and just transmit over XMPP then?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, it basically takes the PSHB update events and pushes them over XMPP. I've got myself subscribed to my own + @techcrunch's PSHB real-time feeds. Each time an entry is updated, I get an XMPP message with the atom or RSS item. Example message: Got update: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?> <rss xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss..."...
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- Matt Mastracci
It's hard to illustrate here on FF. Think of it as getting individual RSS files over XMPP, consisting only of the new or changed item.
- Matt Mastracci
PSHB takes content that would be an RSS "item" (an article or tweet, for instance) and pumps the actual content through a speedy XMPP transport. that's cool and flexible and has social features like "buddy digests" or whatever :-). rssCloud waves a simple flag that says "new content over here", using less complex infrastructure to do so. both are neat. OMB is like PSHB because it pushes the content. [Update: to clarify/: I said PSHB uses XMPP but it's http-post & "webhooks". the XMPP gateway is separate]
- Brian Hendrickson
Thanks Brian for that short and simple description for the less web savy but curious readers. it appears to satisfy different levels of interest. One in which I want to know precisely when new stuff is available or data has changed and the other that wants all the latest data/changes in the new stuff ping
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Even w/o XMPP, PSHB avoids the scaling issue Rogers mentioned by using "fat pings", sending updated items to subscribers as part of the notification.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
I'd say the principle way PSHB avoids the scaling issue is by pushing the publisher's update to a hub, which is designed to scale and to push out notifications to multiple clients, rather than leaving that job to the publisher's machine. Of course, if you don't have to operate the system at any sort of scale, there really aren't any scaling issues, which is what gives all the hand wringing a Chicken Little feel.
- Ken Sheppardson
Related: http://friendfeed.com/jessest...
- Sebastian
Do Mobile operators selling the iPhone lose money on it. | I doubt it although this report says it is true - http://www.guardian.co.uk/busines...
Veetrag liked this
They say in their summary: In the report we take a close look at the 10 largest myths about the iPhone: 1) The iPhone drives data traffic into mobile operators networks 2) The iPhone helps operators attract new customers 3) The iPhone is good business for mobile operators 4) The iPhone is dominating the mobile services market 5) App store is a huge success that has revolutionised the services market 6) There is money to be made by developing applications for the iPhone 7) It is iPhone customers that are generating the majority of online mobile surfing traffic 8) The iPhone has a large market share 9) The iPhone was the first mobile phone with a touchscreen 10) The iPhone is a technologically advanced mobile phone ...... We can also conclude that the closer a relationship is between an operator and Apple, the larger negative influence it has on the operator’s overall business case from a shareholder's viewpoint
- Stuart Henshall
Robert Scoble's son might at some point in his life wish that people in friendfeed would stop associating him, porn, and age 14.
Veetrag and DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE liked this
I am pretty sure he will do just fine on that point.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Woof: Well, the good news is that... - http://sf.eater.com/archive...
I approve of this Mackbook decal. Show them, Snow. Show them all. http://www.etsy.com/view_li...
George Brickner, Veetrag, Amy and Maya Baratz liked this
My son has to have a permission slip signed to listen to the president's address. :( I'm ashamed to be living in Arizona now. I wonder if he'll get picked on for listening to the speech? Part of me doesn't want him to play with any of the kids whose parents don't sign the slip.
Billy Warhol, Brian, Chris Martin and 84 other people liked this
Given from what I've seen on the news, it ain't just Arizona. I can't believe the legs this story has.
- Derrick
I think this whole thing means parents have no ability to teach their children reason and debate. Now it's all about shutting up the other side. Would anyone like another Red Scare? Sure, I'll take two so I have an excuse to throw barbs at the other side and call them names. Stupid.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
from iPod
Yeah, you know my thoughts on it: http://friendfeed.com/bluecoc...
- Fa La La La Lindsay
It means a lot of parents are (a) stupid to begin with and (b) unwilling to take on the responsibility of "teachable moments" themselves. Or, you know, be a parent.
- Spidra Webster
In my younger years, I watched a speech by Reagen, Bush Sr and Clinton while they were in office that was directed towards school kids my age. We didn't hav eto sign anything and the schools made it mandatory :/
- Tsali, The Native of FF
Permission slips for teaching about sex, I get that. Some families and cultures prefer not to have the schools take care of that. But permission to listen to a historical speech? Do we need to start giving permission to learn about WW2 and the genocide? There are halocaust deniers out there. How about learning about Martin Luther King Jr and his I hAve a dream speech? It's race-based,...
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- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
It just bothers me that these are the same people who told us to respect the office of the President, no matter who is occupying it when people were upset about going to war. And it scares me how much HATRED there is for Obama. Issues aside, just the pure hatred and aggression people feel towards Obama is frightening.
- Trish R
Maybe I'm just biased, or conditioned to think this way, but when I see all of this Obama backlash, the first thing that pops in my head is: WE DON'T WANT NO BLACK PRESIDENT.
- Derrick
Derrick: we don't want THAT black president. If Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell or Walter E. Williams ran, I'd vote for them in a heartbeat.
- Craig Eddy
And Craig, if one of them had been elected I'm sure there would be absolute outrage that parents were keeping their children home because that president were making a speech to schools.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
It's ridiculous to require a permission slip for this, but I support giving parents the opt-out option.
- Craig Eddy
@Tina: it's convenient that you can ascribe racist intentions to every criticism of the President, but that doesn't make it valid. UPDATE: oops, I mis-read your comment, Tina. Sorry. Strike this here, I'll use it in a second tho....
- Craig Eddy
Well Tad, it is not the kids faults that there parents are bigots.
- Joe
@J. Deakins: it's convenient that you can ascribe racist intentions to every criticism of the President, but that doesn't make it valid.
- Craig Eddy
Opt out? Hope he leads them in the pledge then the parents can opt out of the pledge opt out of respecting the flage opt out of respecting troops in time of war - yeah its 100 days after Bush and we sorta forgot that in time of war with troops on the hostile ground you respect your Commander in Chief - opt out of that
- WarLord
Doesn't mean it is invalid either Craig, but please sugar coat it.
- Joe
WarLord, Jehovah's Witnesses already do opt out of saying the Pledge of Allegiance.
- Rochelle
Some parents prefer to do the critical thinking for their children. Not permitting or opting out of the viewing is a perfect way to let your child know it's not important to form your own opinions or respect the POTUS, but listening blindly to the ideology of your parents is paramount.
- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
@Pete: I'm sure that would apply to allowing a valedictorian to thank God for their accomplishments too, right?
- Craig Eddy
What a good group of crazies to use as an example Rochelle.
- Joe
My high school Freshman was bummed he wasn't getting to see it. He wanted the opportunity to "point out all the fallacies". It was a proud moment for me.
- Craig Eddy
Yes I'm aware of both Witness and Adventist "Graven Image" views that however is a tiny side issue to the larger one of hyper patriots suddenly deciding that their partisan politics is more important than our troops at war
- WarLord
J.Deakins, my point is that there already are groups of Americans who don't recite the Pledge. Although I don't personally agree with their religion, I give them the space and right to practice it. *shrug*
- Rochelle
Craig is drinking Cheny's cool aid.
- Joe
*blink blink*
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
Whatever Rochelle - they are crazy. No need to be PC there.
- Joe
No need to be civil either, of course.
- Craig Eddy
If the parent wrote the speech for the valedictorian, then yes, Craig. Otherwise, give credit where it's due, God, Allah, Buddha, all the same.
- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
Civil like Bill O'Rielly?
- Joe
or civil like Rush?
- Joe
Oh, I didn't realize Bill O'Reilly or Rush were in this conversation. But way to deflect.
- Craig Eddy
Examples of GOP civility.
- Joe
I seriously doubt many valedictorians need/want their PARENT to write their speech for them, but if makes you feel better to think that, go for it.
- Craig Eddy
How civil of you Craig.
- Joe
Craig I'm waiting how do you feel about disrespect of Commander in Chief in time of war with our troops in harms way - those permission slips provide aid and comfort to America's enemies
- WarLord
I think those men are both entertainers who are paid to generate an audience.
- Craig Eddy
I think all the John Birch members will not be allowing their kids to see that speech either.
- Joe
Why isn't he going to see it, Craig? Are you not permitting him? Why not give him the opportunity to debate those "fallacies"? I think it's important for children to be able to figure out things for themselves eventually, you are there to guide, not brainwash. Brainwashing leads to backlash and extremism... we all need more moderation and the only way to achieve that is to expose ourselves to conflicting viewpoints and consider them objectively.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
@Lindsay: It's for K - 6 as far as I know. I would never "shield" him, and we rarely discuss politics. He has formed his opinion through his own reading.
- Craig Eddy
J.Deakins: respect for another person's religion is not "PC." It's actually one of the core founding principles of this country. I don't happen to believe what the Witnesses believe, but I also don't think it's necessary to denigrate their belief here or anywhere else. #justsaying
- Bren -- feeling merry
1UP Bren.
- Rochelle
@Bren: respect for another person period. Whether its religion, politics, or choice of football team. Without it, we're doomed.
- Craig Eddy
Rochelle and Bren - *yawn*
- Joe
You know what I do think that children should hear speeches from god fearing GOPers - kids need to learn fear, hate, and intolerance - what better place to do it?
- Joe
Its been one election and 100 days but suddenly with a change of parties the Office of President and the Commander in Chief is far less deserving of respect. No longer dissent un american or unpatriotic. Partisan politics in time of war with troops in harms way is just a yawn. The hypocrisy of this dramatic and cynical sea change is breathtaking.
- WarLord
oh Bren we have a group based on tolerance and mutual respect among those of different backgrounds in FF, many folks you know are in there, you are welcome too.
- Joe
As well as the rest of you: http://friendfeed.com/the-sol...
- Joe
OK, I'll be a contrarian here. If this were a "political" speech about foreign policy, health care, or some issue that's a subject of political debate, I'd totally support the need for permissions slips, and I might even give the school board an earful about it...
- Ken Sheppardson
... Maybe I'm just being naive, but it never occurred to me that's what the President had in mind. My expectation is that to note the start of the first school year since he took office, he'd offer a "school is important, study hard, listen to your parents, and maybe you can grow up to be President" message. I mean you might disagree with him on politics, but do you really think he's a complete idiot?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, but don't you realize? That's all part of the illuminati-socialist-fascist plan! If people become educated and stay in school, they might demand government that works for them. The horror.
- mikepk
It is hard to fathom how far, how firm and how fast present divisions have taken hold. Confirms for me that ideology overcomes rational thought for many.
- Eric Logan
No Ken, the last President was the idiot.
- Joe
1up mikepk
- Joe
1up Eric
- Joe
Parents will let their kids listen to pro football players and pro basketball players, rappers and celebrities ... and yet they won't let them listen to the President for fear of "ideology". Rational thought has obviously been lost in the process here. People are getting way too bent out of shape over this.
- Allan Besselink
"President George H.W. Bush delivered a nationally televised speech to students from a Washington school in fall 1991, encouraging them to say no to drugs and work hard." -- http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn...
- Ken Sheppardson
"In November 1988, President Reagan delivered more politically charged remarks that were made available to students nationwide. Among other things, Reagan called taxes "such a penalty on people that there's no incentive for them to prosper ... because they have to give so much to the government." -- http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn...
- Ken Sheppardson
...just for context.
- Ken Sheppardson
Many parents who's kids won't seeing the speech will be watching the new Sarah Palin/Michelle Bachman TV show : "Crazy Talk"
- Joe
I get annoyed at the bogeyman of the evil all-controlling Government (capital G). If we strive to the heights of our own ideals then we, the people, should *be* the government. You know, that government of the people, by the people, for the people, that shall not perish from the earth. All that stuff? By framing every debate as "regular folk" vs "The Government" you're essentially saying democracy is a failed experiment.
- mikepk
There's a different set of rules for this POTUS let's be real here.
- Michelle
I thought it was for grades K-6, too, but my son said they're seeing it in high school (for the ones who have permission, of course).
- Trish R
You know what, George H.W. Bush attended by High School graduation. I wasn't a fan of Bush but I was still pleased and honored to have the President at my graduation and proudly shook his hand when I got my diploma. I recall watching a video of him talking about saying no to drugs and the Thousand Points of Light as well. Long story short, if the President is going to address children...
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- AJ Kohn
Bush's CIA directer Tenet was my commencement speaker in college...... I skipped it and went camping in Estes Park, CO instead.
- Joe
How can you become educated about a person's idealogical and political beliefs if you refuse to listen to what they have to say?
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
I don't think I'm being paranoid, xenophobic, or exhibiting low self esteem to say that I don't want classroom time taken up by political messages, unless I'm sure there's going to be a teacher there who can frame it as that after it's been presented and offer context and explain that there are alternative views. In the context of a Political Science class, fine, but as part of just some general assembly where the kids immediately head off to gym class after, no thanks.
- Ken Sheppardson
And I now have in my head Reagan's 1988 message that included the comment that "taxes can be such a penalty on people that there's no incentive for them to prosper ... because they have to give so much to the government" not any sort of hypothetical Obama speech. [That comment was in response to a Q from a student, not part of the prepared/approved address, BTW]
- Ken Sheppardson
I will be sharing this speech with children in India, it has universal appeal
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Last school year, my son was in his English class, and the election came up. Many people spoke up with hate messages about Obama. My son spoke up in support of Obama and asked them why they hate him so much. The teacher asked my son, "How many states are there in the U.S.?" My son said "50." The teacher said, "Then you're smarter than Obama." So how is that not a political message in a...
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- Trish R
Yes, Trish, the teacher was wrong. But, since we have yet to actually see/hear the speech, how can we know what the content may be?
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
@Ken: Come on! They're over at someone's house and they hear something and there's no one to provide context. Or in the mall or ... anywhere. And why is it the job of the teacher to 'frame it'? I usually agree with you but here ... we're coddling children and parents WAY too much. The line of thought here is that nothing that is of any intellectual debate should be presented in school - that MAAD should be shouted down because I really think we should be talking about smoking instead.
- AJ Kohn
This is political posturing with kids as the pawns - it's that simple. One teacher over a single year will have 1000x more opportunity to influence a child's thinking counter to how the parent is trying to influence he/she. Some people home school for this reason, but that's not applicable in this situation since we're talking about a public school here. PUBLIC <--- hmm, important word here.
- Micah Wittman
Sorry, AJ... for a second there I was imagining we had a school system that actually teaches kids critical thinking skills and has a different set of standards than the mall or my neighbors' basement. I forgot. Nevermind. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
+1 Ken
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Seems like to me, people don't want their children to hear messages from the president only when they views differ from their own. I can't ever recollect such vitriol when the president was going to talk to kids (wasn't GWB talking to school kids during the 9/11 attacks?). What makes it so different now? Obama is the FIRST PREZ to ever talk to kids, ZOMG!?!
- Derrick
I just know I want to watch the address now to see what these parents are keeping from their children. (Thrilled to be Canadian)
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
Text of the speech here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaRe...
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
LOL. Wow, that's why I live in Canada. LOL.
- Zachary TG
Thanks Mark. seriously. parents don't want their children to hear that? *shakes head*
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
After reading through the speech all I could think was that I wish someone in a position of influence (other than my parents) would have given me that talk when I was a child.
- joey
Seriously? You need a permission slip to watch _that_?! It's totally bipartisan. No political agenda, just a message to stay in school and keep trying.
- Sparky
To anyone who feels like it's necessary to see the speech before you approve your child watching it: Would you have demanded to read the speech beforehand of Ronald Reagan, George HW Bush or George W Bush before allowing your child to sit in a classroom and watch?
- Trish R
Those other presidents weren't black, Trish. FYI.
- Derrick
Anybody believe this speech wasn't re-written over the past couple of days? Anyways, much of this is PR to try and stop his sinking poll numbers.
- Spencer
One step forward, 3 steps back.
- Trish R
trish, it's looking more like 1 step forwards, tricked out delorian ride back
- alphaxion
I had to sign a permission slip for sex ed. A political gimmick (as some perceive) might justify a permission slip. I couldn't imagine telling my child's school that my child couldn't attend the broadcast. That's especially a bad idea if you really believe it's just a dogmatic political engagement. It's a great opportunity to learn, regardless of your political affiliation and especially so if it's controversial and politically charged. Sounds like fun :)
- Jason Nunnelley
If I was a student and my parent did sign the permission form for me or my teacher or school opted out of the broadcast, I would ditch school to find a way to watch it.
- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
sheesh - whatever your politics listening to the President of the country giving a speech specifically for students seems to me at least exactly what kids should be experiencing in school (whether public or private or home)
- Shannon Clark
I think you'll get a kick out of this, then. >> http://friendfeed.com/rochell...
- Miss Elle
By the way, I'm with everyone who is saying, "Racism." This is what I see, as well. If it were a white president, there would be considerably less pure anger. Sure, I get it, some of you can come up with reasons why you don't like this policy of that policy, but the fact of the matter is that white presidents have done much of what Obama is doing in the past and you didn't hate then....
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- Miss Elle
I think D. is on point - it would happen regardless of the Black president in the office.
- cecily
When I was in high school, we had both Nancy *and* Ronald Reagan visit our school in back to back school years. We were *required* to be in school both days. If we were sick, we had to have a doctor's note proving we were too ill to attend classes. I was in ROTC so I couldn't get out of participating in both appearances but I was strongly anti-Republican even at age 16/17, so to show my...
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- cecily
Cecily, I don't get your point. You dissented. Some people choose to dissent today. Were you not paying attention to all the people who hated Reagan in the 80s? Do you think Republicans and folks concerned about Obama's cult of personality originated the idea of opting out? This is a direct result of all the free thinking from Republican administrations and more conservative times - kids suing schools because a coach prayed before a football game.
- Jason Nunnelley
My point, Jason, is that nobody was all up in arms when the Reagans attended my school. Nobody cried indoctrination then when, let's be honest, that whole "Just Say No!" movement was all about indoctrination. It's hypocrisy of the highest order. My point is that there is a double standard being applied to this president that has not been applied to past presidents, and I, for one, am no longer believing any soft-pedaled excuses about 'socialism' or 'indoctrination' or any of that bull.
- cecily
Cicily, if you're saying it was OK for you to dissent but not OK for today's youth (or their parents) to dissent then I'm afraid that's hypocrisy. Conservatives keeping their mouths shut when the "Just say no," campaign was going on (with which they agreed) and freaking out over the "What are you going to do for Obama?" campaign is consistent with their own personal views. It's no more hypocritical than you voting for the person you want to win.
- Jason Nunnelley
With all due respect, Jason - I call bullshit. And it's OK for you to believe what you want to believe, but I call 100% grade-a bovine scatulation.
- cecily
It's just as silly for you to deny someone's feelings about big socialist government as it is for someone to say you only like Obama because he's black. You're both equally guilty of dehumanizing the conversation. It's not productive. So long as you like conflict, that's cool. You're feeding a fire of hate, but that's your choice.
- Jason Nunnelley
Miss Elle, then I call bovine waste. It's untrue. Where have you been the last 8 years. When did the left show respect for the office of the presidency? That's either completely blind or dishonest.
- Jason Nunnelley
If my daughter doesn't get to hear the speech or I see a permission slip come from the school, I may have to homeschool her. This is a positive message by the President of our Unites States, not Hugo Chavez. The fact that it has come this far is frankly an embarrassment. The Right is lashing out like a wounded animal of the drubbing in the election, and instead of licking their wounds...
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- Vince DeGeorge
from iPhone
Yup, that's me. Feeding a fire of hate. *puts marshmallows on sticks and gets to roasting* Who's got the chocolate and graham crackers? We can make HATESMORES.
- cecily
Where have you guys been? How did you miss all the nasty, vile rhetoric about Bush? Can't you guys just admit that you're political idealists that have no patience for the messages you don't like and accept that the guys on the other side are the same? Do you have to pretend it's about race or some other silliness? Even the left and right in DC manage to get together and have a beer afterward. Look at the Republicans that bemoaned Ted Kennedy's death. Buying into this whole hate stuff is for suckers.
- Jason Nunnelley
Word of mouth sure called little-Bush several levels of idiot. However, never once was there any nationwide attempt to make schools require permission slips when showing Bush to schoolchildren. This is about the permission slips, not about what is said at home.
- Miss Elle
Miss Elle: new tactic, old game. Never before did anyone use social media, direct advertising, cell phones, etc. as successfully as the 08' Obama campaign. Look, these are separate issues. One is the legitimate concerns of parents (right or wrong). The other issue is Republican tactics (which are sleazy). Calling everyone that's caught in the snare a bigot or evil is a bad idea. You...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Don't think anyone showed up at any of 43's public appearances with guns or nooses, either. Don't think any liberal/progressive ministers called for his death from their pulpits. But don't mind me, these HATESMORES are too tasty for me to get upset.
- cecily
Cecily, your'e wrong. They burned him in effigy, held mock trials, crapped on the flag. If you judge anyone that disagrees with you by the most extreme examples, then you're painting with an unfairly broad brush. As for the guy with the gun, he didn't shoot anyone and broke no law. I'd bet there's 10 or so guns strapped to someone at nearly every Republican meeting in my home town,...
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- Jason Nunnelley
@Jason -- But permission slips? As a schoolteacher, and an independent voter, I was totally behind the "keep your kiddo home" thing. That seemed to be more of an individual choice. Permission slips is messing too much with education, methinks. (It should be noted that my school isn't showing the speech though I think some of my beloved knuckleheaded kiddos could benefit from a strong stay-in-school message.)
- Miss Elle
Look, we don't have any stupid permission slips in logic driven Alabama. I agree it's stupid.
- Jason Nunnelley
http://www.nowpublic.com/world... Is this the gun toting guy at the healthcare forum?
- Jason Nunnelley
It's just embarrassing as hell.
- Chrimmus Tad
I agree with that Tad. Why there would be permission slips required to see the speech is bizarre.
- Craig Eddy
For the record, carrying an AR-15 (AKA Assault Rifle) to a rally is a very bad idea. People shouldn't do it. But, to a gun carrier (and anyone who carries a gun is going to carried a loaded gun - cause an empty gun does one no good) this is an exercise of liberty. I disagree with that decision, just like the people that want to keep their kids home when Obama speaks. But, it doesn't mean they want to murder people.
- Jason Nunnelley
A permission slip - wtf?
- Mona Nomura
Quite messed up and that is my using my good language. School Fail!
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I really really hate to point this out: These are the nut cases which were running the place during Daemon Cheney - Bush debacle era. Now can you see why the rest of the world thinks we are nuts to let this kind of thing happen here. USA is looking pretty bad - nothing these guys are doing makes us look like we have 2 cylinders going in a 4 cylinder engine Dudes Chill Love your neighbors
- ThatDBD
Cassie's principal (she's a 4th grade teacher for those not in the know) isn't allowing it to be shown in her school because of parent complaints about "propogandizing"...Yet another example that racism isn't dead in America just because we have a black president.
- Alex Scoble
Holden, there's no other rational reason to explain the reaction that parents are having to this event.
- Alex Scoble
In all honesty, I just don't see how the things going on surrounding President Obama are not related to race. Take everything as a whole and it just doesn't make sense. Race seems to be the missing piece that makes it all fit together. Obviously, some people have actual grievances with Obama (even though he hasn't actually done anything yet), but nothing else explains the retarded stuff going on right now. (Funny, Alex and I agree for the same reason)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Trish: You asked "To anyone who feels like it's necessary to see the speech before you approve your child watching it: Would you have demanded to read the speech beforehand of Ronald Reagan, George HW Bush or George W Bush before allowing your child to sit in a classroom and watch?".... I think so, yes. I wouldn't ask to review it in the case of Obama because I trust him to keep it non-partisan. Those other guys? Watch out... ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Dear Parents Who Don't Want Their Children Listening to Anything Barack Obama Has to Say, Ask your child what they want to be when they grow up. If their answer is not "I want to be YOU mommy/daddy," please stop trying to turn them into you. Thank You, Those of Us Who Enjoy People Who Have Formed Their Own Beliefs and Opinions
- EricaJoy
1UP Erica
- Derrick
Jason - carrying an AR-15 to a rally is an "exercise of liberty"? Can people start exercising some responsibility? Once again, another prime example of "just because you can, doesn't mean you should". I am really starting to wonder what drives people anymore. Apparently people are more driven by party-politics-babble than they are by thinking. Nobody made this big of an issue about any of the aforementioned presidents, Republican or otherwise. This is just plain stupid.
- Allan Besselink
Hey, wingnuts! Maybe you guys want to try reading the speech before you freak out: http://friendfeed.com/us-poli...
- Steven Perez
I read the speech. I concur with POTUS! Stay in school. Be responsible for your future. Learn all that you can. Show up. All seem pretty sensible ideas to me.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Mathew, yeah but it's kind of sad (to me at least) that the POTUS has to say this kind of stuff to the kids today... shouldn't parents be passing on those types of things to their kids already?
- Chris Heath
I agree that it seems as if many parents have given up the idea of being the role model for their children. Another argument entirely. I applaud the fact that POTUS is being forward thinking.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Allan Besselink, if you're talking to me you didn't actually read my post/comment. And, Scott, if an AR-15 is too much fire power for an individual, then so is any hunting rifle. A .223 is no more powerful a firearm than anything you'd use to shoot a deer, elk or wild boar. This is simply a pro-gun vs. anti-gun issue. You either think guns are evil and should be banned or you believe in the right to keep and bare arms. Some people believe in the right to keep and bare arms.
- Jason Nunnelley
Why would you need a gun at a rally? Simple question. Simple answer?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Scott, does that limit end at my front door? People carry guns concealed in my state - I can carry a gun practically anywhere, especially in public spaces. You just don't know I'm carrying. Like I already said, I'd never carry a gun to a rally because it's a bad idea. I think that is a mistake. But, to a person that carries a gun everywhere else, it's not a hostile act.
- Jason Nunnelley
Coach Rahsheen, I usually keep a license to conceal carry. And, I never feel the need to carry a gun anywhere. I most often carry in transport to shoot for fun. I like guns. They're fun. I would never carry to a rally. It's a bad idea.
- Jason Nunnelley
Come on, Jason. Are you serious? I could see if you're just carrying concealed all the time just because that's what you do. I don't have a problem with that. Carrying a rifle to a rally when you have said you want the president dead can only be seen as an act of aggression. I don't care if people carry guns, but people are definitely abusing their right to bear arms just recently.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
WRT I do not understand why it's supposed to be OK to bring guns to rallies for *THIS* presidents term but it's never been before. Mind you I grew up in Alaska. I am no stranger to guns and I love that people can use them to shoot the moose that make tasty jerky (dear anybody in alaska, please send moose jerky). I also think that people should have the right to keep a gun in *most*...
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- EricaJoy
from IM
Jason, your words: "But, to a gun carrier (and anyone who carries a gun is going to carried a loaded gun - cause an empty gun does one no good) this is an exercise of liberty." That wasn't hard to read. "Responsibility" goes with rights - guns or otherwise. I agree with Coach - where's the need, "rights" or otherwise? People are too quick to jump all over having the "rights" but fail to...
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- Allan Besselink
Erica - yes, I think we have what people have, in history, called a "double standard". I fear we are now discovering the deep dark underbelly of the populace, more so than ever before.
- Allan Besselink
Yes, Allan. I already said that. Scott, this whole notion of an "assault rifle" is silly. I can kill a person just as effectively with a "deer gun," as an "assault rifle." It's a designation based on how the gun looks - it's practically meaningless. I realize that antigun people don't understand that an assault gun and a hunting gun are the same thing. I also realize that antigun are...
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- Jason Nunnelley
It's not a designation based on the looks of the gun, although that's how the assault gun ban was written. An assault gun is different from other types of firearms in a few important areas and must meet more than a few of these criteria. It must fire a high speed projectile, have a high capacity magazine, be easily configured for auto or multi-round fire and have a rifled barrel (be fairly accurate up to 400 meters. That's what makes it different from a hunting rifle.
- Alex Scoble
And yep, a well trained crazy with a bolt action M14 sniper rifle is much more dangerous to the public than a crazy with an assault rifle, if they are in the right place, such as a clock tower.
- Alex Scoble
Don't understand exactly how gun rights belong in this debate. I personally don't have to look any further than Iran and June 2009 to realize that the right to bear arms are vitally important in a free country.
- Eric Logan
Thread drift or no thread drift - it's still inane to require a permission slip to listen to the President.
- Allan Besselink
I agree, Allan and us much as I hate it the visibility of an underbelly also seems apt. Hopefully, its exposure provides a cathartic opportunity at some point in the future.
- Eric Logan
"Every single one of you has something you’re good at. Every single one of you has something to offer. And you have a responsibility to yourself to discover what that is. That’s the opportunity an education can provide." <-- I could really have used hearing that as a kid.
- Alix Whitmire
Anyone who would not allow their children to hear that speech should be ashamed of themselves. Period.
- Joe
You know, I keep trying to tell folks (in two separate threads) that dismissing the fear some express as political duplicity ignores a growing sentiment in this country. Most of the rabid anti-Obama were also people who thought the Bush administration was drifting toward fascism. There is a strong thread of thinking in this country that our government is being pushed to a dangerous end by both parties. It's not fake emotion. And, it's not shrinking.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, that might be the sentiment where you live, but where I live the anti-Obama people were almost all very avid supports of the previous administration. VERY.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Jason, you may have a point there about growing anti-government attitudes (on some issues) across parties (that's worth several threads thread in itself), but it's the rabid anything that's misplaced, and to fear something so straightforward as this speech is just silly, if not either (or both) pure partisanship or veiled racism.
- LogEx
Tina, LogEx: I've said this a dozen times - but I happen to have zero problem with the President's speech. But, I think it's a bad idea to ignore the real emotion behind the success of the campaign to trump up concern over Obama's address. I also think it's a terribly dismissive and ignorant statement to call anyone that has concerns over the speech a racist. Reactionary? Sure. Racist? No. Its not about race. It's about socialist vs. free market. Most people don't care what race Obama is or isn't.
- Jason Nunnelley
It might be simplistic to reduce it to race, but I can't help but consider that a factor. That's not to say that the other things aren't, but there's too much divide, too many people not willing to talk about it, too much history in regards to race in this country to say that it's NOT a detail. EDIT: But then again, I'm a black man in America, so that's my bias.
- Derrick
There are two factors here: tabloid political spin doctors and legitimate political dissenters. Neither are driven by race. The political spin doctors are responsible for nutty stuff like Palin claiming Letterman suggested someone rape her daughter. That's insane, and I'm pretty sure she knew it when she said so. Likewise, there was a single line in the original speech that's been blown...
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- Jason Nunnelley
I've never said anyone called anyone a racist, or that the people involved are racists. I reiterate, things involving race can be racial without the people involved being racists. Big difference.
- Derrick
Derrick, go to a Republican rally and say you're for lowering taxes, reducing federal spending and reducing the amount of involvement the government has in people's lives. You can be as black as coal, they'll embrace you. Get some lily white guy to go to the same group and say he's for universal healthcare, more taxes and tell them you think people shouldn't be allowed to say things...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, I would say that most of these people don't understand what socialism or free markets are. Most of what I've seen is spouting extremist talking points that have no basis in fact.
- LogEx
Black as coal?
- Derrick
LogEx, yes. We totally agree. But, I'm trying to suggest the whole walk a mile in the crazy guy's shoes line. Just because someone's views aren't completely logical or well thought out doesn't mean they're lying about their motivation. If you empathize with people you can change their hearts and minds. If you dismiss them, you'll get nowhere.
- Jason Nunnelley
Derrick, is that an offensive term? It wasn't meant to be nuanced. I'm just pointing out that a man's color doesn't matter as much as his ideology. You think all these right wing folks would embrace Hillary Clinton?
- Jason Nunnelley
What I'm saying, and I'm not discounting ideology, as someone who thinks that gays should be able to get married, that those who have should help out those who have not, we should be more inclusive, and we had no business in Iraq, etc., I clearly differ from those who are more conservative. I'm also someone who is forced to never, never, never forget that he is black. I'm certainly...
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- Derrick
+10 Derrick
- Joe
Derrick, I can't understand but I do empathize that being a minority is a particular burden in today's culture. I remember dealing harshly with a great guy in business a long time back and he decided it was because he was black. It had nothing to do with that. I got stuck between a rock and a hard place and he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. It was about money, not race....
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- Jason Nunnelley
I think that's the point I'm trying to make, Jason. Things in this country have conditioned people of color to be consumed with race, and people who aren't minorities rarely give it a second thought. Until both groups understand this, there will always be some gulf.
- Derrick
Derrick, I realize that. Let me tell you (for personal peace and understanding) that most white people are judging you for your education, performance, manner of speech, and a whole host of other things. Your race isn't in the top five, likely not in the top ten. If they mess you over it's because that's what white people do. There is an ethnic European culture, and part of it is race...
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- Jason Nunnelley
I understand that Jason, and realize that in a perfect world, that wouldn't be a factor. But, by the same token, race neutrality can backfire. I *am* black. I have had experiences as a black person in this country that have added to how and why I do things. To cut *that* out and ignore it completely is just as bad, in my experience, as it is to be a blatant racist. Resumes can only tell a person so much; you still have to conduct an interview.
- Derrick
Derrick, just keep in mind that as a white man I can't possibly understand where you're coming from. It's always going to be alien. You say "I am black," and I say "so what?" I can only recognize the effect that status has as an intellectual exercise. I've never dealt with you based on race, just like I've never dealt with anyone based on race. So, it's much more relevant to me that we...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Which is my point. I can't just erase it from the factors of which I live by. Racism is a plague and I think we can both agree on that, but for me to reduce racial matters, that of my livelihood, to something like snake handlers in the mountains of Tennessee isn't something I just can just...do. But I hear you, and I am grateful for the dialogue.
- Derrick
Derrick, I can recognize intellectually that it effects you personally. I realize that there are still a lot of racists out there. But, for you to deal with me based on what some racist did to you is like my wife dealing with me based on what some guy she dated in high school did. I realize it happens, but it's completely disconnected. Rahsheen's assertion that if I don't like Obama...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Derrick, BTW - my frustration is with Rahsheen's comments and not your comments. You're sounding pretty logical. Rahsheen's assertion that if I dislike Obama's politics I've got to be a bigot is infuriating. I'm not even so much arguing for me. I'm not really a big anti-Obama guy. I have a tad less frustration with Obama than I did with Bush. But, I just can't assign all political beliefs to race. It's too simplistic.
- Jason Nunnelley
I can't speak for Rahsheen, and I'll say it again, things can be racial without being racist. I don't know why someone called you a bigot; I didn't call you one.
- Derrick
As a retired teacher this whole event just shows me that teachers hands are tied.
- kevin i mills
Does this only affect public schools, or is it an issue with the private institutions as well?
- Kittyburgers
Wow. Over the top.
- Rick Cogley
Lest we all think there was no outrage when President Bush the first spoke to students: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion...
- Craig Eddy
I didn't call anyone anything. Just for the record.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
+1 Rick. And to think this all started with the issue of a permission slip being signed. No wonder people in other countries look at all of this and say "WTF?".
- Allan Besselink
@Craig Eddy: Thanks for pointing out that link.
- Kittyburgers
Coach Rahsheen, I perceived your statements (in the other thread) to be quite knee-jerk, assumptive. You've clarified that you were only talking about "some," though I'm not sure how one falls into this category. I'd consider the number of people that dislike Obama's policies because of race to be a tiny number compared to those that take issue w/ his policies.
- Jason Nunnelley
@Jason Nunnelley: I don't think any reasonable individual would disagree with that. The race issue would most likely be minimal.
- Kittyburgers
Kittyburgers, unfortunately I think otherwise rational people do disagree with me. It's a personal experience I can't understand - nobody that has lived a life without the experience unique to people of color can really understand it. We can only recognize unique experiences and viewpoints we don't understand. To me (likely you too), race just isn't a big deal. To someone that has their...
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- Jason Nunnelley
You try to correct the viewpoint of someone who, as you've said, can only have an experience you haven't had? That's mighty wh.... nah, I'm not going to say it.
- cecily
White of me?
- Jason Nunnelley
I think injecting race where it doesn't already exist is a counterproductive viewpoint. I understand why it may develop in one's psyche. I don't understand it. But, I accept that people who tell me about this feeling are honest and telling me their sincere feelings. As we develop a deeper understanding of each other I'd like to think we develop a more correct interpretation of others' beliefs, even if we disagree with them. The question is, is there hope?
- Jason Nunnelley
Sad + Pathetic!!!!!! + this is AMERICA!!??? WAKE THE HELL UP PEOPLE!!! I can't believe this Garbage is Happening in America of all places* It's a Bloody Disgrace!! Good Riddance to Bush + Brainwashed Flock NeoCon Taliban-like Religious Zealot MORONS!!!
- Billy Warhol
I'm late to this, but I have to say it's far more stinky where Jason sits than where Cecily sits. Jason, you seem to ignore the fact that Cecily's school was going to force each family to document why each child didn't show up for the Reagans, while the schools of this day were forcing parents and children to provide documentation to hear Obama speak. Dissert was not permitted for Reagan. Dissent was the default for Obama. Pure, udder (spelling deliberate) fecal matter.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Ours (in conservative O.C., CA) was opt out - if you *didn't* want them to watch, you had to sign and return a slip.
- Denise Howell
Rep. Anthony Weiner: Giving Single-Payer a Second Look - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-ant...
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I would feel like I died and went to heaven if this happened!
- Francine Hardaway
Spandex burns calories so just WEARING my workout pants is absolutely equivalent to going to the gym, right? #deludedfantasies
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lol, I like this theory! :)
- Amy
And, you get credit for thinking about the gym, and dressing for the gym.
- anna sauce
anna, that comment reminded me about those studies that measured the effects of thinking about exercise... ( http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st... , http://media.www.concordy.com/media... )
- Andrew C
I think I'll make a fad diet plan involving wearing especially silly spandex outfits all day long. Not because I want to make money doing it, but because the idea of causing people to dress in workout garb that's too tacky even for the 80s warms my heart.
- Wirehead
And remember that the Oreos that were already broken when you opened the package? All the calories and little fat grams leaked out of them as a result. I understand that this doesn't work if you break them on purpose, but only if they broke before you got them home and opened the package. This is why I always make sure to put the canned goods and twelve-packs of soda on top of the cookies when they go into the trunk of my car. :-)
- Ladybug Heather
Isn't there a rule about no calories if you eat over the sink?
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
My (at the time 14-year-old) son argued porn and censorship with a FCC Commissioner and people are up in arms that the President is talking with their kids? This country is just so idiotic sometimes. I guess they forgot what the last President was doing on 9/11. That is right, talking with school kids. Sigh.
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Amen, Mr. Scoble, Amen.
- Michael
It amazes at all of the lows people do to bring the President down. It's rather pathetic.
- Minu Nianda
Heaven forbid anyone just step back and thinks people could be up to a couple good things, good grief.
- Chris
Sadly, I think that (general) America has forgotten that every society before us has crumbled, be it from war, poverty, starvation, political dispute every society has fallen. It's just a ticker now as to when we follow suit.
- Adam
Please. I have no problem with our President talking to our kids. As long as I'm in the room as well in order to call his BS. No matter who the President is at the time.
- Chris Kalaboukis
completely different - bush was reading to students - not pitching his agenda. read the paper the dept of education sent to the schools. and you liberals forget the last time a president spoke to school kids was in 91 when Bush Sr talked about staying off of drugs - and you liberals screamed and yelled that it was inappropriate. now its ok. i love the liberal hypocrisy.
- Tony Kanzia
Chris: you sir are an idiot. You can do that at home.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Typical liberal - if you don't agree with them, then you're an idiot. What a shocking response.
- Tony Kanzia
I took my son to see a Whitehouse and President I despised.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Chris, you think teachers are any less fallible? Do you accompany your children to school and sit with them throughout the day to call BS on things a teacher might say as well?
- Andru Edwards
This is all so ridiculous. If you don't agree with what he's saying, teach them to be proud of that opportunity, teach them to listen to their President, and then talk to them about the things you don't agree with when they get home. Don't conservatives believe in family values any more?
- Jesse Stay
Tony: I live this stuff. Have you taken your son to see a President you didn't like? I have.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Chris & Tony, thanks for being on hand to demonstrate the exact kind of intolerance that Robert is talking about.
- Jeff Harbert
what i think got everyone up in arms was the curriuculm that went along w/ the president's speech. while this has since been taken down, people feel they are being told from the government what to teach their kids
- Jonathan Jesse
E Pluribus Unum - "Out of one, many". Once the President is chosen, we all have to unite. We don't have to agree, but he is still the representative of this nation and we should respect, and be proud of that.
- Jesse Stay
Tony how is Obama pitching his agenda to kids when he's simply telling them to stay in school? Give me a break.
- Minu Nianda
or that bush sr. talked with school children as did reagan. i suppose it's only ok if repubs do it (shocker).
- Kayce Maisel
I find it even more fantastic that parents don't think their kids can think for themselves.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Teaching our kids not to respect the President takes away that unity. If we don't agree, we should instead be sharing what we don't agree with, not removing the opportunity altogether. This is ridiculous! (note that I was saying the same thing to things the liberals were doing to Bush as well)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse Stay- You hit the "nail on the head" so beautifully!
- earl wallace
Complete idiots are people who think that their kids hearing a few words from ANYBODY are going to hold sway over the impact of their parents, their environment and ability to think freely.
- suecosby
@tony i agree with you on most of the comment. the problem with the speech i had was the accompaning lessons, since removed from the d ept of educations website
- Jonathan Jesse
You know, I just read the speech, and I don't see ANY political agenda in it, much less a liberal one. "And that's what I want to focus on today: the responsibility each of you has for your education. I want to start with the responsibility you have to yourself." Sounds pretty conservative to me. Read it here: http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009...
- John Craft
For those on this thread who are freakin' paranoid about Obama pushing a political agenda on little children, here are his prepared remarks. http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaRe... You can now STFU about it. You're welcome. :)
- Helen Sventitsky
Jesse Stay - Amen!
- Minu Nianda
Jonathan: the "offending" lesson was what could you do to help the President.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@jesse i don't think anyone has said anything about teaching their children to disrespect the president, just that they don't agree w/ what he says
- Jonathan Jesse
Let's all join hands and recite the pledge of allegiance. Come on. I know you want to.
- Sean Montgomery
from iPhone
Jonathan: I disagreed greatly with what Bush did but I still took my son to see him and meet with his Deputy Press Secretary.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Jonathan I see people flat out telling their kids they can't listen to the President. That sounds like disrespect to me.
- Jesse Stay
Maybe school SHOULD be about learning where other people are coming from.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
It is up to parents after school to teach them their own values.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
In Arizona, kids have to get permission slips to listen to the President. That's disrespectful to me.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: it is worse than disrespectful. Where were theywhen Bush spoke to kids?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Jesse: yeah. Gotta have a permission slip to learn.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Let's see, how does it go? I pledge allegience to Robert Scoble...wait that's not it.
- Sean Montgomery
Robert, you're absolutely right... but I can't help but wonder where the promises were from this administration on working across the aisle and having full transparency. I think this administration has provided the fanatical opposition with all the ammunition it needed to take situations like this and blow them up. Once again, I agree that all children should be able to hear the President speak without opposition. I just think this administration is blowing the PR front.
- Douglas Karr
Robert I am giving you a fist bump for this man. Well said!!!!!!!!
- Joe
@robert i think the heart of the problem is what you stated "Parents should teach values" and i don't think that is happening whether political, religious or moral and too many people are relying on the school system to do so.
- Jonathan Jesse
Helen Sventitsky- I just read Obama's speech and I don't think I could have put it any better' I do not detect any undercurrents or subliminal manipulation. I heard the same advice when I graduated from high school.
- earl wallace
"too many people are relying on the school system to do so." - and this is President Obama's fault how? Are you saying that, since the parents aren't doing their job of teaching values, no one should be allowed to talk to their kid about values?
- John Craft
Robert - I'm a conservative but agree with your original point. POTUS should be able to speak to students. You have to acknowledge that if W. had tried to do the same thing (national satellite address) to students, liberals would've been just as outraged as many conservatives are now.
- Paul Goldsmith
Paul: You're flat wrong.
- Jeff Harbert
I think @Paul is correct, FWIW.
- Kurt Starnes
Let's face it - there's a significant portion of this country's population that, if Obama gave a speech about puppies being cute, would launch into an apoplectic rage randomly spewing the words 'liberal' and 'socialist.
- John Craft
Paul: you are wrong. Bush spoke to students and I don't remember anyone so angry.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Yeah...who is he to define cute.
- Sean Montgomery
John Craft: lol
- Minu Nianda
Really? Bush gave a national address to school kids? I honestly did not know that.
- Paul Goldsmith
@robert, Bush 41 spoke to students in '91 and there was opposition from the Dems.
- Kurt Starnes
Kurt: I will take your word on that. That is stupid too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
This is an amazing opportunity. Until now it simply wasn't possible for a single President to speak to an *entire* nation of school kids. Until now it was only possible to do it in person on a school-by-school basis. When I was growing up it was an extreme privilege to have the President visit your school. We should be embracing that! I don't care if you agree with Politics or not.
- Jesse Stay
Kurt: so, where will we be in eight years?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Kurt: will we have a better country where kids are encouraged to learn and think critically or are they going to learn that politics is like sports?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Double fist bump Robert.
- Joe
There was opposition from Dems in '91, but there was no ranting and raving that Bush Sr was going to indoctrinate school kids.
- Rene Wirtz
@Robert Watched a great documentary on text books and our kids are NOT encouraged to learn and think critically. They are misguided. That's one of the key downfalls with our education system... which is controlled by people trying to indoctrinate their own beliefs and avoid criticism from any extremes.
- Douglas Karr
It's funny I've been so inured by the idiocy, venom & deception coming from the White House for the past 8 years I have a hard time even grokking there are people who don't view the new guy as a massive breath of transparent, humanistic fresh air. And also that a US president talking to our kids could be a bad thing. Altho the guys in this thread who disagree may not be idiots, generously I would at least characterize them as "Fox-addled".
- Thom Kennon
@Robert - I'm with you on those thoughts re kids learning to think critically. I may not agree with Obama on many things, but I would encourage my Daughter (almost 11 y.o.) to listen to any of his speeches. I do think there is some hypocrisy on this school speech issue, though. FWIW.
- Kurt Starnes
Just for the record, I think it's awesome that the President has the opportunity for a national address to students. Great opportunity for the President and children alike.
- Douglas Karr
1991: "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," the New York Times quoted House Majority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.). "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'" Decent article on the history of these school speeches here: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs...
- Kurt Starnes
@Thom transparent? Like the close-door, one-sided bills that have been rammed through? Stop watching Fox OR MSNBC. Start reading http://factcheck.org/
- Douglas Karr
BTW, I wasn't following the Bush 41 school speech in '91, but would think the opposition to Obama is very likely much more heated than it was for Bush 41.
- Kurt Starnes
Kurt: OK. So where will we be in eight years? Will your guy speak to school kids?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@Robert - I don't have a guy or a party that represents me (See Jesse's sentiments). :-\ In an ideal world, Presidents would speak to kids apolitically and all parents would support such speeches. And I would ride off into the rainbow on my white unicorn.
- Kurt Starnes
@Kurt @Robert Everyone should have the right to speak and be heard... what are we teaching our children through censorship of our very own President? Regardless of whether or not his speech is political, it should not be fought. He is OUR President and OUR childrens' President. PS: Robert... don't you mean in 3 1/2 years? ;)
- Douglas Karr
I just had to laugh at the person who said Obama was transparent. Wow. Don't read much do you? Obama just made sure 8 months of Presidential White House visits will remain secret. How about those meetings with drug companies, huh?
- Spencer
@Douglas - I generally agree with you. But, just as Obama has the right to give the speech, folks have the right not to listen, even though I think all should listen. Some conservatives seem to have missed the point that neither schools nor the WH require *mandatory* viewing! Folks still have a choice and this, to me, makes all of the protestations seem so silly.
- Kurt Starnes
Scoble++ I wish I could fave this post.
- Tanath
@Kurt we agree... and I also don't fall for the rainbows and unicorns.
- Douglas Karr
In fairness, I think the ONLY real objections were over the slip that the president wanted children to tell him how they were going to help him. Most people don't like the idea of indoctrinating children. They didn't want their child coming home to harass them about why healthcare reform wouldn't pass, etc. This might be a paranoid nutter fear, but for all the political manipulation many parents are used to via their children. My children are constantly bringing home political notes about taxes, funding.
- Jason Nunnelley
This whole debate is sorta silly. If you don't want your children indoctrinated, then listen what the man has to say then give them your opinion -- teach them the value of free speech which is to let all ideas out into the world and let the good ones stand. Taking your kid to the White House to se a President you hate? Makes perfect sense to me.
- Dean Rodgers
Wait a second don't we spend years indoctrinating our kids on everything from how to eat properly to what sports team to follow? I guess it's just other people's indoctrination we don't want them exposed to? ;)
- Eoghann Irving
Eoghann Irving, duh. :)
- Jason Nunnelley
Eoghann, // I AM NOT COMPARING THE PRESIDENT TO THE KKK // But, how would you feel about your child attending a meeting where they taught that certain races were immoral, corrupt or otherwise less worthy. Sure, you could just explain that the bigot they listened to was wrong. But, children are impressionable. That's exactly why we work to brainwash... ahem, excuse me, train them young about things like pollution, recycling, civic responsibilities, etc. It's why schools have them to recite the pledge.
- Jason Nunnelley
For the record, I'm looking forward to my children listening to the president. It will make for good dinner conversation.
- Jason Nunnelley
My point is that sending someone to school and then complaining because they might be "indoctrinated" is a ludicrous position. Of course they will be indoctrinated. That's why we're sending them there! The objections to Obama's speech that I have seen are entirely party political and not motivated by any real concern for social or moral damage.
- Eoghann Irving
Jason, FWIW I did attend a meeting that told me exactly that when I was about 11 at a local baptist church. There was a book and tape burning afterward. My mother was mortified when she came to pick me and my sister (9) up. Neither my sister nor I was 'impressionable' enough to take what we were told at face value, and we had a very lengthy conversation with my mom about what we thought...
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- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@Jason: you hit on something crucial. There's a lot of white folk (especially here in the South) that do not want the president to talk to school kids, because it may just empower black kids.
- Rene Wirtz
Eoghann Irving, well sorry. I reserve the right to choose what indoctrination I subject my children to and I don't much care whether others think I'm backward or ignorant for reserving that right as a parent. I consider one's refusal to exercise that right cowardly. Even allowing my child to attend public school, and attend the Obama presentation is a decision that is mine to make. I won't whine or complain. I'll take physical action to stop people from doing anything to my child I don't like.
- Jason Nunnelley
Tina, I can't defend the position taken by a minority of paranoid parents that their children shouldn't be exposed to the president's presentation. But, I do defend their right to be notified and that decision belongs to the parent. I think withholding your child's attendance is a poor decision. But, I think the suggestion that parents don't have the right to direct their children's education and experiences in childhood is unacceptable in a "free" society. I determine who trains my child, nobody else.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason Nunelley, I'm curious where you think I said that you didn't have the right to raise your children any way you see fit. Or that it was ignorant or backward to reserve that right. I don't think I made either statement. My point remains that this isn't about any real concern for the welfare of the children. It's a politically motivated stunt.
- Eoghann Irving
Eoghann Irving, you said "sending someone to school and then complaining because they might be 'indoctrinated' is a ludicrous position." That statement indicated to me that you think taking action to limit said indoctrination is likewise ludicrous. The rest of my statement wasn't aimed at you personally or your comments but more the generic conversation. There are lots of people openly calling concerned parents racist and stupid for even suggesting that the curriculum shouldn't be political.
- Jason Nunnelley
What I'm trying (and perhaps failing) to argue is for people to give the real reason they are pulling their children from school. It's not because they're "being indoctrinated" which is a vague phrase that has negative connotations which makes it hard to argue against. It's because of something specific. And the reason they're not giving a clear reason is that it isn't really about the...
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- Eoghann Irving
Rene Wirtz, this is a major disconnect between reality and perception. People who don't like Obama's tactics aren't all racists. They're not fearful that black children will see his example and obtain an education, get a better job, etc. They're fearful that Obama's policies will usher in big Orwellian government. I'm hopeful that Obama will inspire black students. But, I don't want his legislation to pass. I'm also southern, but that doesn't mean I'm a bigot.
- Jason Nunnelley
jason totally onboard with your statement, though i know it will get me some less than lovely responses. i definitely do not want Obama's policies to to become embedded because I think they are the wrong ones, not because I want to see him personally fail. I think the best chance for the country to succeed is if his policies sputter
- Zachary Adam Cohen
Eoghann Irving, I agree with you. The Republican "protect the children" spin is disgusting. But, I disagree with you on this idea that none of the parents are sincere. A significant number of parents don't like having their children used as pawns. I tire of it in my redneck, backwoods southern town (so you can all assume it's because I'm a racist :). My local school pulls this crap...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Though I consider the reaction these parents have to be bad. I respect a parent's right to opt out of a political stunt. Do I consider the firestorm the Republicans are fanning a political stunt? Of course. But, I don't automatically assume the parents are insincere, or racists. My kids are enjoying logical discussions on why some of the president's desires are noble and some are less so.
- Jason Nunnelley
@Jason: I wasn't calling you a bigot, far from it. But I can see and hear from my relatives there is a deep seeded mistrust. And it is doubly so, because Obama is black and because he is a "socialist", two things that are not very popular amongst the mostly Republican voter base. I do want him to go a progressive course, but to call Obama's political course socialist is laughable at best.
- Rene Wirtz
Rene Wirtz, I knew you weren't calling me a bigot. It's the southern comment I'm chastising. Since we're both in the south, I think we should be careful not to further feed this idea that southern people are bigots. It's just not true, at least no more so that Californians or New Yorkers. If J.C. Watts had run and won the presidency, these same relatives would love him. It's not a fear...
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- Jason Nunnelley
I think we need a "back to school" czar.
- Spencer
I straight up asked my daughter what she wanted to do and her response was "I'd rather do something else". But how about this - I respect the president's right as president to address children in the public school system, why can't MY right to not have my 7 year old daughter listen to it regardless of message be respected?
- Michael Koby
@Michael - Good point.
- Kurt Starnes
@Scott - You think they're nutty, they think you're nutty. Ain't America grand? :-)
- Kurt Starnes
Isn't it interesting how the "left-leaning" commenters cometely ignore the fact that it's the Dept. of Education lesson plan that people were upset about.
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
Robert: I didn't ignore that and I'm left-leaning.
- Robert Scoble
Scott, in fairness I think you know they changed it due to public feedback.
- Jason Nunnelley
It might be more worthwhile to have Al Franken teach them how to draw a map of the United States.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
does anybody think that, independent of what obama is going to talk about, it's not the president's job to address the nation's kids and this is not appropriate for thim to do in a free country? http://masstrovato.tumblr.com/post...
- masstrovato
How do you get from people being upset with a lesson that insructs children to write an essay on how they can help spread the President's message to them being racist?
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
Scott, (answering q1) Bill Ayers, though people may argue Obama didn't actually associate with him. Jeremiah Wright, though people will argue Obama attended church for twenty years and didn't fully understand the lessons Mr. Wright preached. Obama's nominee for Green Czar, Van Jones, though I realize people will claim that nominating someone to a cabinet position doesn't mean they agree politically.
- Jason Nunnelley
Scott, I sincerely appreciated Mr. Wright's willingness to be honest about his message. While Obama tried to pretend he didn't understand that message, or that the preacher didn't mean what he said, Mr. Wright had the courage to say that Obama had no choice but to disassociate himself from that message but that he stood by his statements. I don't like Mr. Wright's message, but respect that he has the guts to say it and stand by it.
- Jason Nunnelley
Scott (answering Q2) Originally, the president intended to ask students to participate in an exercise to describe how they would help the president. I view this as relatively innocent, but some do not. That has been changed in reaction to public response. Now, though I find it innocent, I don't like it. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...
- Jason Nunnelley
Scott, I don't have a problem with his present version. But, pretending people are reacting to the version out now and ignoring the history that brought this controversy to most people's attention ignores the true motivations. I'm just suggesting you should consider the reality that your link isn't the source of the controversy.
- Jason Nunnelley
I think kids in all 57 states should have the opportunity to hear him speak if their parents don't object.
- motownmutt
I had forgotten what Bush was doing that day. That is a great point. If I remember correctly, wasn't the book he was reading to the kids upside down? Or is that an urban myth?
- Mike Kirkeberg
Agreed. Robert. Kids today are more evironmentally concious, know whats right and wrong and better perspectives of life, bring on anypne who wants to talk to them, there is no guarantee that they will listen as they are independent :)
- Shashi Bellamkonda
The reaction to Obama's original plan is not in a vacuum. The movement to recruit children and young adults into new nationalist organizations concerns some people. It's not so much right-ring Republican types, but more the anti-government types. Pretending this is a flame alone in a desert isn't intellectually honest. http://www.youtube.com/watch... http://www.youtube.com/watch... << The rhetoric that spikes the concern.
- Jason Nunnelley
Your son sounds like a genius. You sound like a liberal elitist. Sometimes liberals are so annoying. Sigh.
- practicehacker
Thanks for the links, Jason. I knew some Norwegians who I believe served one year mandatory military service. I thought it served them well.
- motownmutt
This administration is serious about engaging young people in quasi-military service. Its cabinet members talked about it openly during the campaign. You can pretend that didn't have an emotional impact, but that's just hiding your eyes to reality. That rhetoric set the stage for the sensitivity you see today over something as innocent as the president encouraging students, even to...
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- Jason Nunnelley
hi Robert, wish you can have a look at this: http://reader2twitter.appspot.com
- kang
the President is not just talking 2 kids, he wanna the kids to be tech wizards I hear? I wouldn't mind Prez chatting with kids but talk 2 what they wanna @ least
- polou/indigo_bow
polou/indigo_bow, you might want to actually read the speech before assuming anything.
- Jeff P. Henderson
my thoughts exactly
- Wardell Latham
sometimes? I do believe 95 percent of the time
- Braden Douglass
Interesting in consideration (if it's not already been linked here) http://friendfeed.com/kregger...
- Jason Nunnelley
We should print up threads like this and share them with our kids. Let em see how people with opinions and passions discuss stuff. Good practice for filtering out Presidents --- and teachers, and parents, and professors and cops and newscasters and Jon Stewart and Rush and the deli guy and ...
- Thom Kennon
Jason Nunnelley, Seems that just further backs up my argument that this is a politically motivated and cultivated hysteria. Doesn't surprise me that it's been tried before.
- Eoghann Irving
Eoghann Irving, I live in a bedroom community in rural Alabama. We're a 70% Republican community. I've not heard a single parent complain about the presentation - not one. The only thing I've heard is reports that the original message contained a curious question from the president to the students, and the president (being much better a man than his political activist supporters) removed it to avoid the conflict. There is no [widespread] fear about Obama's presentation to students.
- Jason Nunnelley
Eoghann Irving, this idea that there's widespread panic over the president addressing students is akin to Sarah Palin claiming David Letterman joked about someone raping her daughter. It's a stunt. But, that's different from the hand full of people that have legitimate concerns about this administration's "statist" tendencies. And, I continue to encourage people to avoid dismissing...
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- Jason Nunnelley
citing Bush talking to school kids on 9/11 is not the best evidence that it's a good idea. Sigh
- Michael Markman
Wow, @scobleizer fail on this one! http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion... Democrats wigged out so bad, they even had an investigation of Bush's speech to a single classroom! I still think you're right - it's idiotic to get all up in arms. But looks like (as usual) both sides are just as guilty.
- Douglas Karr
It's Pathetic* The Repubes + Brainwashed Flock have shown Time + Time again that it's Their Way or the Highway - they don't even want People to THINK!! Scary + Frightening Poop*
- Billy Warhol
My childrens' school didn't run the speech today. I am so embarrassed. I completely missed this one. Since I don't listen to hate radio or watch the news, I thought I was up to speed based on the more cerebral conversations on this topic. I thought the whole controversy was already squashed when the president dropped the assignment "what can you do to help me," which I thought was...
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- Jason Nunnelley
I'm back to my original reaction to the vitriol on both sides of this conversation. Politics is for suckers.
- Jason Nunnelley
When I first heard that people were up in arms about the President speaking to school children... I thought maybe I had fallen into prolonged sleep and was not aware that Hitler was at the head of state again. Plz people. Can we get to what the REAL issue is at hand... and I don't like to play that card ... but sometime it's just too obvious when THE CARD is being played from the other side.
- Jim Turner
What is at stake here is not the fact that the President wanted to speak to the kids--that is good. The issue was that it was framed as how we can help the President (hint, hint--his agenda)--and that my liberal friends is what the commotion is about. Obama is about the most disingenuous President I have seen in all my years of closely watching politics. He had the audacity to say that...
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- Sean O'Reilly
Flickr iPhone App - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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yes, really good one!
- eva
Not bad for a 1.0, but I think FlickIt is better for me, does batch uploads. The rest of the stuff -like commenting- is just fine through the web app.
- Ignacio Rodriguez de R,
Dave Winer to Bring Realtime RSS to Millions via Wordpress.com? - http://staynalive.com/article...
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What are your thoughts on the RSS Cloud Louis?
- Adam Helweh
Adam, I'm not an expert, but anything that accelerates information discovery and distribution, I am a fan of. I also trust Dave Winer is a smart guy who is focused on the right things.
- Louis Gray
fascinating discussion about server/server (XMPP) and client/server (protobufs) methods used in Google Wave: http://groups.google.com/group...
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Does the iPhone make political statements? When I type @whitehouse into my iPhone it tries to change that to @whorehouse.
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The iPhone must be racist.
- Craig Eddy
The iPhone does spelling suggestions based on entries in the user's address book. What have you been up to, Robert?
- Mistletoe Glen
Lies, it tries to autocomplete to "whitehorse".
- 321
Glen: that is what Maryamie just asked me.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Mine completes to "Whitehorse"
- Steve de Mena
from iPhone
Mine completes to "whitehouse" but here it suggests white-horse and so on :D
- TaaTaa
I never have to write it. Agh, the amazement that comes with living in Canada.
- Zachary TG
When typing "Gnomedex" a couple years ago, I recall it always forcing me to type "Gnomesex" instead. What does *that* say about Apple? ;-)
- Matthew Gifford
Sigh, looks like I took down Posterous. Sorry @nikan and @love2think I need sleep (it's 4 a.m. here). Will repost later if isn't working).
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Louis Gray post about sleep being for the weak in 3...2...1
- Spidra Webster
I was just trying to get on my page. Posterous just got Scobled...
- Judd6149
I miss your posts on Scobleizer.com
- Jesse Stay
I agree with Jesse, I don't really think you would've have taken Rackspace down.
- Jimminy Fuller
I just like to have one home base to get all things Scoble. Posterous distracts from that.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I agree how long has he been using Posterous, I've probably missed everything for several months
- Jimminy Fuller
At the same time I do respect that you try out new services like this Robert. You're helping them out, giving them exposure, and experiencing first hand whether others like Steve Rubel are right regarding their switch to Posterous. I still think you're better off basing off Scobleizer.com though - you'll be back. Of course I've said the same thing to Steve Rubel so maybe I'm the odd one out. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: it doesn't matter too much. People are able to find my stuff no matter where I post it. But I will start hooking things back into my blog. I've just been having some troubles there and want to wait until I get to Rackspace this week.
- Robert Scoble
I also need to test out other services and see if there's a different usage model there than on my crusty old blog.
- Robert Scoble
Sounds good - I'll find it regardless - it's just more work this way. :-) I'm being lazy, mostly. And yes, I agree it's good to test other services.
- Jesse Stay
Sleep is a waste of time and unproductive. While you're snoozing, the rest of us will be plotting.
- Louis Gray
Don't make a liar outta me, Louis. That was quite a few seconds more than 3! :)
- Spidra Webster
My mistake, Spidra. My alerts are not yet Pubsubhubbub enabled.
- Louis Gray
Ah yes - they are sub-Pubsubsububsbubsbub
- WorldofHiglet
Robert, one watchout (at least I have heard) is to be weary of posting content 2x because Google will penalize you. That's why I decided just to make the jump. Also, ping Posterous to get into the themes beta. It's coming along.
- Steve Rubel
Google should make their duplicate content penalty smart enough to figure out when there's a reasonable reason for the duplication. Given how many popular sites get scraped, I'd hate to think Google is dinging them too for something that is out of their control.
- Jason Clarke
My spot at Indy and some Indy bacon for my FriendFeed buddies:
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I am setup above turn one at Indy. The MotoGP race is about to start. Oh, and if you haven't been around FriendFeed for a while you might not know that bacon is an inside joke here. Mona will explain it I will post my photos later tonight.
- Robert Scoble
from email
bacon alert! :)
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
haha! Yes lots of bacon here.
- Melanie Reed
Have fun!
- Shevonne
It's sad to see so few people on stands in the USA for the MotoGP. It' s a pity because it represents the best technology applied in motorbikes.
- Stefano Pietroiusti
from twhirl
Go Robert GO GO GO !!! :-)
- Fiat
The stands are filling up. Keep in mind Indy can seat 450,000 -- this place is a lot bigger than it looks on TV.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Is Robert going to run? Which bike? :)
- Stefano Pietroiusti
from twhirl
Stefano: yeah, right!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Poor Pedrosa, another time a big mistake! Anyway, go doctor Rossi! :)
- Stefano Pietroiusti
from twhirl
NOOOOO!!! Damn! What a mistake Rossi!
- Stefano Pietroiusti
from twhirl
Re: Wanted: A simple DNS app for Mac or Windows (Scripting News) - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
"Thanks! That's the one I used to run on the Mac. You know Apple really threw the baby out with the bathwater with Mac OS X. There was a nice culture developing on the Mac with the Internet apps, and they just mowed it all down, without even knowing (I suspect) that there was a nice garden growing there. Whether they knew or not it was net-net an idiotic waste."
- Dave Winer
I'm actually shocked at how few people are disagreeing with my thesis. I thought that I'd have to argue my case this morning.
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I might have disagreed with it, but I missed the thread. :) Seriously though you are usually on the money.
- James Stratford
Twitter is just wrong. Google Wave will kill all of Twitter, Facebook and Friendfeed.
- Charbax
Hey Robert .... at least it bought position 1 on TechMeMe :)
- Charlie Anzman
what thesis?is it on posterous?
- zʍıɔ
Scoble is now a Twitter evangelist instead of an FF evangelist?
- Justin Long
It a function of social media - people tend to follow people that are "like" them and tend to agree.. or if you disagree you just drop them. So you are often singing in a choir with everyone else who is off key. ;-) la la lahhh la la (that is me singing well sort of)..
- Sherry Reynolds
Justin: until Facebook decides what to do with the FriendFeed team I am a lot less able to evangelize it. And anyway it really doesn't have a chance to go mainstream.
- Robert Scoble
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Just came across this in my Twitter feed: @MillerPierce #advertising #marketing #business Twitter vs. Facebook: Who Will Win? http://bit.ly/kJIkp
- Melanie Reed
Seriously? You're "shocked" more people aren't arguing with your valuation of Twitter between midnight Saturday night and 6AM Sunday morning Pacific time?
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert, because?
- Melanie Reed
I'm usually good for devil's advocate, and willing to argue things I know absolutely nothing about, but 1) I didn't see it, 2) and you're probably on target. You have a link?
- motownmutt
Also, Posterous has been having issues. They appear to be down again.
- Ken Sheppardson
I didn't necessarily disagree, but in a tweet reply, I said your post looked like it was headed, "Pre-posterous"
- Rex Hammock
I disagree with it, but not strongly and I don't really care, so I didn't want to argue. :-)
- Dave Winer
What I think is most interesting about your post is how it rocketed to the top of TechMeme. It feels like a sarcastic response from Gabe about your complaining about how he wouldn't point to your FriendFeed tweet from his blog when you got the scoop about the Yelp app on the iPhone last week. (Yes I think of TechMeme as Gabe's blog, foolish me.)
- Dave Winer
This thread reminded me of the following quote (which I adore for its kind and affectionate view!) and especially, Dave's post above...and really what FreindFeed is pretty much about: "It is exactly because argument is idle that men (I mean males) must take it seriously;for when (we feel), until the crack of doom,shall we have so delightful a difference again? But most of all I offer it...
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- Melanie Reed
What thesis. Robert? Sorry missed it.
- Kol Tregaskes
If only one could comment on the comments. Lovely quotation Melanie Reed.
- Bob Boynton
I second what Dave said --> I don't really care, so I didn't want to argue. / I'll reserve arguing to stuff that's worth arguing about.
- Rex Hammock
That's the point -- we love you Scoble much more than we care about whether Ev and Biz are worth $1 billion or $5 billion. That's their money. They're still fuckers for doing the SUL. And I still want to find a new home where we own it instead of being at the mercy of such people. Their money is so boring. At least Jorge Lorenzo will sit down and eat a nice meal with you. That's who you should be writing about.
- Dave Winer
@Dave +1
- Chris Saad
I could quibble about your valuation for Twitter -- I think you're a little over-exuberant there -- but I'm too busy setting up my new laptop. :)
- Rachel Luxemburg
Bob, thank you and you're welcome. Feel free to comment away: http://friendfeed.com/mellier...
- Melanie Reed
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""You probably shouldn't be running your DNS server off your home computer anyway, your uptime will thank you." Watch out for those assumptions. I never said it was on a "home computer.'"
- Dave Winer
It is official. Indy is way more fun on a race weekend than anything going on in California Thanks to @krys2fur and 25 other Twitterers!!
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The best part of Indy this week end is The Doctor and nothing else!
- Michela Cimnaghi /cimny
from iPhone
You need to go to the US Nationals NHRA drag race next weekend! You can't describe it!
- Patrick Hall
Patrick: I have been to NHRA. Love it!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
By the way, more and more people are telling me they are following just Twitter now and no other aggregator or service. #shiftunderway
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I've actually started to follow Facebook a lot more since the FF acquisition. Especially now that I can post status updates straight from Facebook and have it populate Pages I run and Twitter at the same time (via SocialToo). Okay, enough promoting my product! ;-) I do think Facebook has a much better, albeit more private, interface than Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I totally disagree. I can't see people replying to me. I can't keep Facebook items around. I can't see items I've liked. I can't get other people's attention. It sucks compared to Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, do you have e-mail turned on for your replies? I get an e-mail every time someone replies to me on Facebook. Pages are broken in that manner because you can't get e-mail for that, but on your personal profile you can enable that. But I agree that there are a few flaws in that area. However, I can filter by friend list on Facebook. I can control who sees what I post on Facebook....
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- Jesse Stay
Not to mention the fact that I can completely turn off apps from sending me notifications and messages on Facebook. I can actually like on Facebook - even though you can't search by likes, you at least have them. Twitter doesn't even have likes. My comments are threaded. You can't track a threaded conversation in Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I HATE email. I turn off all bacn.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: comments are the one thing Facebook does right. Twitter has Favorites, which work a LOT better than Facebook's likes. (It sucks, yes, but it sucks a lot less than Facebook's like feature).
- Robert Scoble
Regardless, that's but a small fix on Facebook's part compared to what Twitter has to do to catch up. Facebook's UI is much better. And when you compare APIs, you can do even more with Facebook than you can Twitter. I blame App developers if you're not getting what you want in the apps you use.
- Jesse Stay
The one exception being search, but Facebook is showing signs of working on that.
- Jesse Stay
Although PeopleBrowsr has a pretty good search for that stuff, utilizing the Facebook API.
- Jesse Stay
I find that I tend to just end up using RSS via Google Reader. Twitter, while fun and a good way to vent frustration, just lacks the meat that makes something well worth reading.
- Talon Lardner
I still don't bother to use Facebook much. Not very useful except for keeping up with friends and family. I prefer Twitter. And FriendFeed. And even Google Reader -- which, interestingly enough, I use mainly to save articles I like and post them to FriendFeed.
- Dennis Jernberg
I have gone off twitter and just follow facebook for friends and friendfeed for the techy stuff, or other points of interest. I post my updates in Facebook because Friend Feed picks that up
- Wei-Yen Tan
I am a total geek w/ my hands on my keyboard 71% of a 24 hr. day, yet I frequently find myself frustrated w/ FB's extremely non intuitive web interface...Now....that being said ~ today I found myself conversing fast, fluid & furious very Tweet-Like from the new FB iPhone App while lounging at the Pool...Who knows what I'm talking about? For a moment it had that same streamlined...
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- Zaneology
steverubel: Why You Should Listen to "This Week in Google" (Agreed) http://bit.ly/oPVOM - http://twitter.com/steveru...
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Road Trip: Family Vacation
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- l0ckergn0me
Never have had Apple software work for me yet, but I did try again just now.
- MarkCarras
Fun photos as I hung out with @Rex7 @not12x and @prebynski at MotoGP qualifier. Here's my best photos:
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I'll post more photos over on Flickr at http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Robert Scoble
Photo #1: Valentino Rossi practices this morning (he came in third in qualifying today but is #1 in overall points). Photo #2: Valentino shows off on way to pits at the end of qualifying. Photo #3: Jorge Lorenzo, Rossi's teammate and #2 in points, rides his way to a second-place finish in qualifying. Photo #4: Dani Pedrosa leads the way, he had the fastest qualifying time today. Photo #5: Lorenzo takes the turn toward finish line at Indy.
- Robert Scoble
Jorge Lorenzo not George.
- Dave Winer
The Doctor is in
- Peter Mullen
Dave: thanks. I fixed that. This is an amazing team to hang out with. Over on Flickr I'm uploading some video of the garage too and more photos but uploads from the hotel are going slow.
- Robert Scoble
really nice shot, tremendous
- Brian Hendrickson
Robert it would be neat if you cropped one of your images so that it fit the full width of FriendFeed
- Brian Hendrickson
Brian: thanks. It's one of those that I learned from Chase Jarvis: shoot lots of photos and maybe one comes out. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Brian: yeah, these images are all as they came off of my sensor. No cropping, photoshop, or manipulation. I'll try to crop a few of the ones on Flickr.
- Robert Scoble
I have the top one as my desktop right now. It's quite sweet. By the way, all my images are in the public domain so you're welcome to do anything you want with them.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble, the Fiat/Yamaha people are great -- they treated me like a king. You're lucky -- maybe we can go to one of these together. I love the sport. You're getting a real treat.
- Dave Winer
Dave: yeah, they are treating us very well. Plus they let me drive the Fiat 500 and that's very cool!
- Robert Scoble
These are some amazing photos Robert!
- Jason Hansen
Here's a picture of me driving the Fiat through a car wash: http://img408.yfrog.com/i... (They are bringing this car to the US next year).
- Robert Scoble
Here's a visit to the Fiat/Yamaha garage: http://www.flickr.com/photos... you wouldn't believe how many people want to get in here (huge crowds wait outside for a chance to meet Rossi).
- Robert Scoble
Robert, do you care if I take the first photo and optimize it for a 1440 x 900 wallpaper? Obviously you would get 100% credit for the photo.
- Jason Hansen
Jason: absolutely. They are public domain, no credit necessary (although I do like it).
- Robert Scoble
http://twitpic.com/fs3gd me with @rex7 who is a famous Twitterer with 70,000 followers (lawblogger).
- Robert Scoble
these bikes were sooo fast! I was surprised Robert could catch them on the camera. Great pics!!
- Rex Gradeless
It is amazing that he got any pictures at all. When they go by the bikes are just a pack of loud blurs.
- Dave Winer
This is what it looked like where we're sitting: http://twitpic.com/fq8wm
- Robert Scoble
Great pics, Robert. How about some of Colin and Nicky? It is the USGP, after all. :)
- Terrence Dorsey
That's where we sat for the F1 USGP a few years ago. Good views and lots of full-throttle noises. Me likey.
- Terrence Dorsey
Robert: http://www.theglitch.ws/2009... Thanks!
- Jason Hansen
the bratwurst there were amazing too! we ate all the food too fast to take any photos! :)
- Rex Gradeless
To give you an idea of how hard it is to shoot these pictures, I did a short video of our spot on the final turn with the 600mm: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Robert Scoble
The rest of my photos and videos are up at http://www.flickr.com/scoblei... now.
- Robert Scoble
The doctor!
- tab thinks you're awesome
Here's what it looks like to shoot with a 600mm: https://login.yahoo.com/config... FAST FAST FAST!! Did you catch it?
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"Oops! You don't have permission to view this video."
- Benjamin Golub
"private video" says flickr
- Yann Ropars
Reload it, it's now public.
- Robert Scoble
The video is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Robert Scoble
My photos and videos from Laguna Seca.. http://www.scripting.com/stories...
- Dave Winer
Stop Talking About Edge Cases and Twitter for Inexpensive Marketing #sfama - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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- Louis Gray
Do you have the whole panel? This looks awesome. (and great job, btw showing uses for AdWords - I agree. We were tremendously successful with Adwords at BackCountry.com)
- Jesse Stay
I was in charge of writing their technology for creating adwords and enabling our marketing team to approve and purchase them with as much ease as possible. We had one of the largest AdWords programs of any e-commerce company at Google, so we were told.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: we wanted to live stream the event -- but could not this time around. However, we'll stream #sfama events going forward. And we would love to have Louis back to speak to the marketing community again soon.
- Mark Evans
Jesse: btw, you should ask Louis about his lovely drive up 101 to the event; a plane from Salt Lake to SF would've been about equal in time spent traveling. :)
- Mark Evans
Mark, lol - Louis is always welcome to take a plane to Salt Lake - he can stay in our basement. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Mark could tell you that the panel was scheduled to go live at 7, and I got in the door at 6:58. When I started, before 5, the expected arrival time was 5:48. FAIL.
- Louis Gray
Jesse: we don't have basements out here, sounds kinda ominous. You're going to give him bread and water, right? :)
- Mark Evans
Louis, you were fashionably on time. :)
- Mark Evans
Mark, we'll even take him for a walk every so often. :-)
- Jesse Stay
John Resig made an awesome retweet button: http://ejohn.org/blog/retweet/. Added to http://www.benjamingolub.com/ in just a few minutes, doesn't rely on any website other than bit.ly, and is completely asynchronous.
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Yes, saw this the other day. Also make sure to check out his templates engine with JS. He's a real genius :)
- directeur
I am going to install this _right_now_. :)
- Louis Gray
until bit.ly goes down - I like adjix better for that reason
- Jesse Stay
Even if it does go down, it's non-blocking, so my site will still load. I like that
- Benjamin Golub
Yeah - not knocking it at all. It's better than the other options, IMO.
- Jesse Stay
I just saw this is my reader! My Japanese friend blogged about it -weird!
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
Benjamin, thanks for the tip. It is now live on louisgray.com and Blogger is updating all old pages. It counts clicks and not individual retweets, so the #'s are much higher, and take getting used to.
- Louis Gray
Higher numbers != bad thing. Although what if people aren't retweeting via the button itself?
- Jesse Stay
It doesn't matter, Jesse. It is tracking URL references (via bit.ly I presume). But if they do click the button, now it says "via @louisgray" rather than @tweetmeme, which is what I had.
- Louis Gray
Like Jesse said, the dual ajix-S3-CNAME at my domain is a great combo. I set myself up after learning of it on Dave's post.
- Micah Wittman
I remember reading John's retweet blog post too - good stuff.
- Micah Wittman
Installing now. Thank you John Resig! Thanks for jQuery too. Everyone should follow @jeresig
- (Garin Kilpatrick)
Is he on FriendFeed?
- Jesse Stay
Duh, nm - I'm following him. :-) http://friendfeed.com/jeresig
- Jesse Stay
Thanks for the link Jesse! *subscribes*
- (Garin Kilpatrick)
Sigh. The hackers got into my blog, left some invisible text in places I didn't catch, and now have gotten me kicked out of Google. Grrr.
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how the hell they do that?
- Mycaptain
what?
- michael sean wright
wow.
- Joe
Hardcore grudgery!
- Daniel J. Pritchett
huh
- directeur
I'm guessing by *invisible text* he means people loaded white-on-white keywords into his header and footer like the sort of NSFW content blocked by your office's firewall.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
So do you like your Cannon, Robert? What model is it?
- Joe
So much for having your own blog giving you control of your content?
- Jesse Stay
I got screwed cause the old blog.grazr.com got hacked (didn't know it) and it was redirected to my new blog. So now my pagerank is like -5 or something.
- mikepk
shocked that after the hell i went through on rackspace/mosso they wouldn't have known what to clear - i was out of google too - it's so fun - all of my sites got hit too over time so i lost a ton of google.
- Allen Stern
I hate to say it but as Allen and Jesse are hinting at this is a black mark on your hosting provider.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I still get yahoo search referrals for casinos and nsfw stuff. blah. #spammersshouldbekilled
- mikepk
why is this rackspaces fault?
- Mark
I've seen injected content on RSS feeds that didn't show up on the blog itself. :-/ Sorry to hear!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
there's a virus or something like that which places an iframe in your page. just change your ftp password, scan your machine for virusses, and find the code in the pages and then google will let you in again
- Hakan İyice
Maybe it's a black mark because Scoble is a Rackspace employee, but it's not Rackspace's fault something happened to a website. They run the server, not the website.
- Mark Trapp
daniel - just to be clear - they have said to me time and agian it's not their side, it's wordpress side.
- Allen Stern
Is that acceptable? I know that ever since I've moved from hosted Blogspot over to self-administered WordPress I've had some crazy spam issues. Maybe that's just a natural consequence of the blog growing and not a result of my hosting choice.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
They used some sort of admin hack. We changed a whole bunch of stuff and now the hack has stopped (we deleted the admin account and did a bunch of other stuff). I'm not sure how it happened, but we're getting smarter about setting up Wordpress, that's for sure!
- Robert Scoble
Allen: there are folks inside Rackspace who know how to clean this up. I'm now working with them.
- Robert Scoble
Use XENU to find all the links and kill them, makes life easier to find all the places the embedded code ended up. Worked for me when this happened to me last year.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
In a separate thread, Robert admitted his blog was running WordPress 2.7.x, which was vulnerable to an exploit detailed here: http://wordpress.org/develop... -- and then once in, hackers can inject spam only visible to robots. If you have a WordPress blog, please update to the latest version -- 2.8.4 -- to prevent hackers from doing the same thing to your blog that they did to Robert's.
- Stephen Mack
It's such a damn shame that you worked so hard to have an Internet presence and some bastard sits around in his basement and try to whack you off the net
- Houseofmax
Robert, if you need some WP help from experts, check out the wordpress.org forums and/or wptavern.com. That's where us WordPress nerds hang out. We can give security tips, maybe specific to your host. We also have several people who are skilled at post-hack analysis, to determine how they got in and prevent it from happening in the future.
- Otto
Stephen: I think that was ONE of the exploits they used. The exploits continued even after updating (they've stopped now, because we made it hard to find the admin account -- that's something I would do immediately too, change the name of your admin account).
- Robert Scoble
Otto: thanks. Some of those guys work at Rackspace and they are helping out now. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Wordpress rocks. :)
- Louis Gray
Oh yes it does Louis!
- Hutch Carpenter
Robert, that was probably how they got in originally, and probably left themselves backdoors that worked even after you updated to 2.8.4.
- Stephen Mack
Daniel: nothing about the hosting choice makes WordPress (or any other web-level application) more susceptible to spam. Your site is accessible via a fully-qualified domain name, which is how spammers are finding you (via Google or other means). That domain could be attached to any host, the spammers don't care or necessarily know who that host is. What a host is responsible for,...
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- Mark Trapp
Most of Rackspace's products are unmanaged at the application layer, but managed at the system and network layer.
- Mark Trapp
Yes, that is the usual case. A successful hack causes insertion of hidden admin accounts or other backdoors, to let them get in later. One of the steps we always recommend after getting hacked is to a) copy any new "content" you have made into text files somewhere, and then b) restore the site and database from a backup prior to the hack. This prevents anything they inserted from being...
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- Otto
I had to pay triple my yearly hosting fee just to cover the bandwidth lost to spam before I figured out how to blacklist spammers using a WP plugin.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Also, if the Rackspace guys find any possible security problems, have them email the info to security@wordpress.org . It'll get analyzed by experts that way.
- Otto
Who is responsible Host? WP? Is it possible to have an eye over errors logs and failed attempt !
- Honey
same exact thing happened to me a month ago. I finally got it sorted out. I'm happy to share what I learned if interested. I went to d msg you on Twitter but i'm one of the masses to be unfollowed
- Jim Goldstein
Jim: you can DM me here, which is even better!
- Robert Scoble
I figured :) Hence my presence here.
- Jim Goldstein
Robert, if I'm clear on this you are positive this isn't a Rackspace/host/server failure but a failure to secure the script (FREE AND COMMON) you used for your blog. Right? It's not like you had your SQL server hacked or something similarly systems related.
- Jason Nunnelley
Just highlights one of the major drawbacks of Cloud Computing. You don't really have control of your own destiny. Of course, that's not to say the same thing can't happen when you do.
- Ward Mundy
WTF?
- Tyson Key
Ward, can you tell me what this has to do with cloud computing?
- Jason Nunnelley
In my instance they added an official looking xmlrpc.php file. Adjusted the header.php file and hid files in my plugin directory. More here http://groups.google.com/group... It took a while to clean out my blog plugin directory to start from scratch and to look through various files for encrypted code...
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- Jim Goldstein
I ASS-U-MEd the blog was hosted at wordpress.com.
- Ward Mundy
I don't understand - what does getting 'kicked out of Google' really mean?
- Zach Landes
Zach: my blog was removed from the Google index until I clean it up.
- Robert Scoble
Ugh! Hackers stink!
- Karen Swim
My bad... Powered by Rackspace Cloud Hosting (so it has a little something to do with Cloud Computing) :-)
- Ward Mundy
I blame TCP/IP.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Ward, it's running Apache 2.2, so by that logic Apache is to blame. So does your website.
- Jason Nunnelley
no blame the fame, none hack the unknow (anonyme).
- abdellah
Same thing has happened to us, actually. Honestly more annoying than harmful in our case, anyway.
- Jason Preston
Rob and I are cleaning it up now...*sigh*
- Robert J Taylor
Yikes - that sucks. My site got hit with hidden / invisible spam links few months back - big PITA to fix and to get Google juice back gradually.
- Patrick Jordan
that happened to me last week... The Rackspace team helped me clean it up - While Google said many Rackspace/Mosso sites were affected I was told (and agree with) - they host thousands and thousands of sites and it's WordPress - not them.
- andy brudtkuhl
That would piss me off to no end. Wow. Sorry Robert :(
- Andru Edwards
This was actually "hidden" in plain site by the exploit that affected WP 2.7.x All better now. Robert, tell Google to turn the juice back on!
- Rob La Gesse
That seems strange to me Robert...google searches have lots of NSFW stuff, so why would you be removed from the index altogether?
- Zach Landes
Zach: if I were a betting man, it's because scobleizer.com has a very high PR, and having that stuff there could adversely affect a whole lot more of the index than just his site.
- Mark Trapp
Wow, that is insane. Glad to hear you got it back up in a timely manner, thanks to your team.
- Martha
Curiously, the exact same thing happened to my blog (Twittercism.com), pretty much around the same time it happened to Robert, on both occasions. And like him, I was hacked the second time after the upgrade to 2.8.4. And it was invisible text in the footer. It was fairly easy to remove, but still, an irritant. (Incidentally, a WP Plugin called exploit scanner was very useful. http://ocaoimh.ie/exploit...)
- Shéa Bennett
Sounds like the Backwards Hack... How to Fix: http://www.gulker.com/fixing-... That was likely a botnet script, not an actual hacker, btw...
- Chris Gulker
Sigh. I run a few dozen WP sites, and I have yet to have any of them hacked into. I'm feeling left out here. :(
- Otto
oh oh so the last time you were hacked you still have the after effects of it, try the antivirus plugin for wp, it checks the themes for bad and malicious links
- Keith Dsouza
Wow! Scoble's Wordpress blog got hacked (click through for the details) & the hacker's secret changes got him thrown out of the Google Index for a while. Make sure you: 1) Always back up your Wordpress blog. 2) Update to 2.8.x, as 2.7 had the vulnerabilities that were exploited in Scoble's case. 3) Check your install for exploits (there are plugins for this), as well as your Google indexing once a week or so.
- Alex Schleber
Truly feeling bummed for you Robert! I've had a problem for several weeks of spammers going after my email. Gotta say.. people need to know that all sites are subject to hackers.
- Arleen Anderson
yikes!
- mutenewt
heh - I wonder if that's why Twitter bulk unfollow purchases have been down this week. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Wow, that really sucks. It's hard to believe so little can screw up so much.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
Ouch! Google should know your blog!
- Amber Case
Hacked again? That sucks. I saw that you had cleaned it up, so I went to check on things. Someone on my team already saw the bad stuff was gone, so they revoked the removal early this afternoon. Looks like you're already back in the index.
- Matt Cutts
You've been hacked twice in a month haven't you.
- Jimminy Fuller
i just found more bad files on my mosso account - im seriously done :( matt - can you check insidetransit.com? thanks
- Allen Stern
Yikes, that sucks. Link injection is the scourge.
- Elliott Ng
Matt: thanks, Google is fast lately. I remember the days when we waited weeks for search engines to reindex! Hopefully we got it all fixed now. We're definitely learning a lot about Wordpress best practices.
- Robert Scoble
how do these hackers get to find a way IN? how?
- Sardar Mohkim Khan
Install a good web application firewall such as dotDefender, ModSecurity, eeye, imperva it will help you to stop those attacks.
- Daniel
That blows - hope you tech guys figure out how to eliminate crap like this : ) I'm sure that won't stop you for long...
- Mark Harai
My blogs been hacked since I first had it and I don't even care enough to update it, that alone should show you how much I care about the internet and blogging.
- Jeunelle Foster
Be nice if twitter would figure out a financial model that would let them help folks who have been spammed or otherwise compromised
- Sean O'Reilly
This same thing happened to me and ALL of my blogs got removed from Google and I'm now working as a cashier. Several years of solid work completely gone. I don't know why Google and WordPress don't do something about this. This was one of the worst things to happen to me in my entire life... :(
- Uniquely Cool
By the way, I've only found one sure fire way to keep from getting hacked... and that is to convert your WordPress blog into a static HTML site. Sucks losing some of the interactive features, though. :(
- Uniquely Cool
Recently had a drop in my PR, but it must be something I did or said. There must be a better way to enhanced your blog security than going non-interactive, like having your own domain
- Houseofmax
This is really depressing. My situation is way worse... I could literally lose my house because of a wordpress exploit. :(
- Uniquely Cool
yikes, just found this
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Re: Dear Disqus: Can I have the old interface back? (Scripting News) - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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"I suppose. But what guarantees do they offer that they'll be any better? As for realtime, I may be a dinosaur but I really like the Refresh button in the browser, and don't like to have my pages move shit around on me while I'm in the middle of reading something. I tend to lose my place. I seriously doubt whether the designers of the realtime stuff do any user testing at all, or use the products themselves. They are the most user-hostile abominations until you learn how to turn off the realitime stuff."
- Dave Winer
Finally!: Heart And Star Shaped Cucumbers - http://www.geekologie.com/2009...
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