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Everything You Wanted To Know About Startup Building But Were Afraid To Ask - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Every business guy lowers the valuation by $250,000, he half jokingly quipped. In its earliest days, Mint was burning $150,000/year, he says, for 2 founders and 1 engineer/contractor.
- Ville Vesterinen
Fruugo Lays Off 40% Of Its Employees - http://www.arcticstartup.com/2009...
sad news right when i begin my day..
- Sardar Mohkim Khan
True. I hope they can still pull it together. ...then again, it's called risk capital for a reason. Ville.
- Ville Vesterinen
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Live now, the Gillmor Gang with Steve Gillmor, Robert Scoble, Jason Calacanis, Mike Arrington, Loren Feldman, Hugh McLeod. http://live.twit.tv Dicuss here.
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Finally somewhere we can chat. :P
- Phillip Stewart
:o
- rob friedman
yah
- Robert Scoble
Best. Trek. Ever.
- Ken Sheppardson
To the extent that you don't really mean RSS, yes, RSS is dead.
- Ken Sheppardson
Does anyone honestly expect RSS 3.0? That's the question.
- rob friedman
RSS is dead. Long live Atom.
- Ken Sheppardson
lol@ Robert dead = not interesting
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
HTTP 5.0? anytime soon?
- rob friedman
It would be wonderful if there was an agenda and/or fewer people. I want to enjoy this, but it's very hard.
- Louis Gray
RSS is less relevant, with the advent of real-time, and almost real-time, social media
- Phil Essing
Maybe have 3 folks each week and rotate?
- Louis Gray
no RSS readers will evolve
- rob friedman
didn't Steve just write about this? ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
RSS readers are no more or less dead than email clients.
- Ken Sheppardson
Twitter has replaced RSS, for me.
- Phil Essing
FF is an RSS reader
- rob friedman
Yes, stop talking over each other
- Matthew
the infighting in the beginning made this an ugly show
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
RSS is not dead in any way. It's a tool to move data around wherever you want it to be.
- Louis Gray
chaos Louis
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
it si just a new form of RSS reading
- Ryan Gerritsen
ok, what about ATOM?
- rob friedman
no but there are some twitter clients/social desktops that are rss readers
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Dave Winer must be pissed!
- Steven (optionshiftk)
I agree
- Ryan Gerritsen
you can always catch up with stuff in your RSS Reader, but sometimes a great link to something either through Twitter or FF will pass by without knowing that it ever existed, maybe both services are very useful if you keep up with it on an hourly basis or something, but RSS FTW!
- Ahmed
I doubt Winer is pissed (no about this) he knows RSS isn't going anywhere
- Phil Maxwell
RSS is dead when people stop using Google Reader.
- Phillip Stewart
RSS aggregators are dead, not RSS
- Charbax
I view hundreds of items per day and share the best. RSS powers all the best tools, including all major portals and aggregation services. This is of course silly.
- Louis Gray
Sometimes everyone wants to come on... and I don't like turning people away
- Tina Chase Gillmor
But I still think Google can filter and recommend items from RSS much better in Google Reader
- Charbax
Steve is right. Office is dead. No one can justify paying 200 dollars to edit text.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
It'll take some reliable, widely adopted push standard to kill off RSS. Twitter's not that.
- Ken Sheppardson
Everyone on Friendfeed is using an aggregator. :o
- rob friedman
100 percent of windows users I know still use Office
- Ryan Gerritsen
This is successful Link Bait
- Matthew
Paul is Dead!!
- Steven (optionshiftk)
I still use google read - not much but some...I use the rss reader on my opera mini on the phone
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Paul is dead, right?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
open office?
- Donnie Murdock
agreed louis
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Jason is going to set us all straight
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Thought Steve would appreciate the bit about the Beatles conspiracy
- Steven (optionshiftk)
I agree with Louis. Whenever I listen to Gillmor Gang the lack of structure lets it down. That and the varying quality Skype connections.
- Martin Bryant
He was more correct with sauce.
- rob friedman
Major stuff on Twitter, niche stuff in RSS
- Matthew
"Every news story of interest"... no, it's not flying by. There are still people out there without 500,000 followers who don't get 100 "Likes" who are saying things that are important.
- Ken Sheppardson
martin, the lack of structure IS the Gillmor Gang. the problem for me is that today seems to be 'puffed egos on ice' day.
- Karoli
Jason makes sense in terms of real time. There is also a need for an archive or to redirect data somewhere new.
- Louis Gray
If Google improved Google Reader, add friendfeed like features into it (more than only starring and sharing items), then early adopters will go back to it
- Charbax
I know who everyone on this show is, except for steve gillmore. Checking teh googles
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
Ken: prove that.
- Robert Scoble
It should be called RTR real time readers
- Ryan Gerritsen
No! Jason is wrong. Digg is not dead. The "Upcoming" recommendation engine gives it a fresh feel.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Robert: You mean by pointing to people who say "important" things who don't get 100 likes?
- Ken Sheppardson
Right.
- Robert Scoble
I havent looked at digg in over a year
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
twitter clients are mostly stream, but rss reads like GReader offer features like bookmarking and sharing favorites
- Matthew
I had big hopes for Digg recommendation engine, but the one they released wasn't impressive
- Charbax
Robert: http://metajack.im/
- Ken Sheppardson
Are we including ATOM in this RSS debate of syndication?
- rob friedman
Robert, there's no question that Ken is right. Having 100K+ followers does not indicate that it's the only source for important data. Smaller people say important things and get little visibility often.
- Louis Gray
I still use GReader every day
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
Robert: http://www.stevekrause.org/
- Ken Sheppardson
same as Gunny over here!
- Ahmed
Rob, ATOM died long ago. It lost the battle.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Louis: if you are seeing them and you aren't liking their stuff in friendfeed it's your fault.
- Robert Scoble
I use rss to import one liners from twitter to friendfeed?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I thought the Jabber guys where all about ATOM?
- rob friedman
useful to me
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
They aren't on friendfeed. So your point didn't hold.
- Robert Scoble
I can like them, and you know I will, Robert. But I believe Ken is correct in that you can't force visibility of good content.
- Louis Gray
Robert: http://flowingdata.com
- Ken Sheppardson
All those guys are on Google.
- Robert Scoble
Imagine Google Reader with real-time recommendations (based on your starred/liked items) and real-time Jaiku powered conversations around each item and feed
- Charbax
Louis: yes you can. you like them and they are visible.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Not everybody who's important is on FriendFeed or Twitter. That's my point.
- Ken Sheppardson
RSS as a consumer commercial name is fading and river of news streams are winning the battle
- Alberto Saavedra
@Robert loving your multitasking skills, fast typing with one hand!
- Ahmed
Ken: if they aren't on friendfeed they aren't important. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Does Techcrunch have fulltext syndication?
- rob friedman
haha well done RObert
- Ryan Gerritsen
Dan Farber always has mic problems
- Matthew
if I was in charge of "mahalo.com" I would always be seen wearing an Aloha shirt
- Josh Haley
Ken has a point
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert: You don't actually believe that, do you? ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
FF and Twitter are what you make them...and you can make them incredible news readers
- Ryan Gerritsen
Ken: more and more it's getting close to that.
- Robert Scoble
oooooh, some background ... tell more Mike
- Tina Chase Gillmor
The "how to be hated" post: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17...
- Louis Gray
Robert: The day you believe that, you lose your role as a concentrator for this stuff.
- Ken Sheppardson
Arrington strikes as a real miserable person... always feuding with someone
- Phil Essing
Ken: more and more the important people will be found on friendfeed. You guys just included two more in this conversation.
- Robert Scoble
Phil: He's actually a really nice guy just opinionated.
- Christopher Mercer
Thats also true Robert...but some may be slow to get here
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
If they all agreed with each other it wouldn't be any fun at all
- Tina Chase Gillmor
How about Calacanis? how can he be a hated guy? :S
- Ahmed
I have to agree with Robert...
- Ryan Gerritsen
Phil - my 1/1 interactions with Mike have been good. I spoke to him quickly yesterday. But it is easy to throw stones at those at the top.
- Louis Gray
Christopher: Mike is a nice guy. He fights with people to aggregate attention.
- Robert Scoble
The day we all believe likes, follows, etc makes something true, we're all in serious trouble.
- Ken Sheppardson
I know all these guys.... all nice honestly... sorry to burst your view
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Im opinionated, but don't seem to make any enemies in the process.
- Phil Essing
haha Robert
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert: Yeah, and it works :P I think Gilmor says things are dead just to start convo's!
- Christopher Mercer
I'm more likely to read an article in a Reader than on a site as there is less distraction. Unless it's got fulltext syndication.
- rob friedman
Ken: it is not to believe, it is to promote what you might find interesting for other along with yourself to read or listen to
- Ryan Gerritsen
it all started going downhill for Mike when he went to LeWeb and insulted the European entrepreneurs....
- Ahmed
Arrington may be a great guy... I don't know him. I can only react to what I witness, myself.
- Phil Essing
Rob: Agree fully.
- Nick in Manila
The other day this Marx quote showed up on Twitter/FriendFeed and everybody started retweeting and Liking it. It bounced around and got amplified -- "Owners of capital will stimulate working class to buy more and more of expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to...
more...
- Ken Sheppardson
Thing is, Marx never said it.
- Ken Sheppardson
Twitter and FriendFeed are #2 and #3 referrals for me behind Google (combined with Google images)
- Louis Gray
And if everybody just takes "Likes" as gospel, we're dead.
- Ken Sheppardson
Once WoW get's a Twitter client, and a Digg API you'll get more traffic, OK? so go make it already.
- rob friedman
retards?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Go learn. Read. Listen to people not n Twitter/FriendFeed. Techmeme doesn't equate authority.
- Ken Sheppardson
the crunchpad should run Android on ARM processor
- Charbax
"Developmentally Disabled Please" I agree!
- rob friedman
Don't be retarded.
- Phillip Stewart
I loved the part where Arrington gave Feldman shit about spreading lies about him.
- Dave Winer
FF finally is realtime. Winer, Gillmor et al finally did killed RSS.
- Brad Kligerman
Chickens come home to roost Mikey
- Dave Winer
House (The TV Show) has a great rant on the use of retard.
- Christopher Mercer
What a bunch of idiots
- Dave Winer
Welcome, Dave :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Now now dave
- Christopher Mercer
Dave: welcome to the Gillmor Gang.
- Robert Scoble
be nice Dave
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Who made Dave Winer God?
- Stephen Pickering
Hey Dave!
- Ahmed
Stephen: lol. Play nice
- Christopher Mercer
Stephen: Dave is God.
- Robert Scoble
Not really, but he is the guy who gave me blogging, gave me RSS, and improved my life immeasurably.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: is that why he blocks people on twitter?
- Christopher Mercer
Arrington: I don't think Dave's 'yelling'
- Chris Heath
Wait.. is Jason defending Dave?
- Ken Sheppardson
@Dave are you going to take that from him? :S
- Ahmed
He blocks liberally on FF, which means I can't see anything he's saying now.
- Josh Haley
Ken, apparently...
- Chris Heath
http://www.pcworld.com/article... twitter not for sail
- Donnie Murdock
Who is josh?
- Chris Heath
sale
- Donnie Murdock
jcal is such a smartass
- Phil Maxwell
How can you say RSS is irrelevant?
- Byron McCollum
Dave
- Josh Haley
well that's what I don't get, why block people from seeing what you are saying? Makes no sense for someone so intelligent. Even if I criticize his long thought use of the short form Twitter.
- Christopher Mercer
dave is a god
- Donnie Murdock
Robert, did you get kicked out of your room again?
- Chris Heath
I didn't do anything to him. Got nothing against him, etc. well, yet.
- Josh Haley
Was that Canter?
- Ken Sheppardson
Chris: someone came in and started talking on the phone.
- Robert Scoble
RSS readers will evolve
- Donnie Murdock
Ken: yes.
- Robert Scoble
You can't ban handshakes!
- Ahmed
gun rights?
- Phil Maxwell
everyone should just bow nowadays ;-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Let's ban limp handshakes
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Banning handshaking (literally) is just as insanse as the 'rss is dead' (literally)
- Chris Heath
How about banning conferences
- Charbax
Thanks Jason -- and I'll listen to the podcast so I can fast forward.
- Dave Winer
in some countries "like mine" it's a sign of respect to handshake people!
- Ahmed
I agree Tina
- Chris Heath
Ban anything with "con" in the name.
- Christopher Mercer
+1 Chris
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I propose we all french kiss each other when we meet
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Q: What do handshakes and RSS have in common? A: They're equally as dead.
- Ken Sheppardson
Actually, banning handshakes is a good idea. Leading method for things to spread.
- Tanath
chipping away at humanity
- Josh Haley
@Tina that sounds nice LOL
- Ahmed
Arrington is like Larry David and Howie Mandell heheheheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
If Leo win's this kissing ban, I am out!
- Christopher Mercer
Is Steve syndicating the show anymore.. my podcast feed hasn't updated since the 18th
- Dave Senior
wear gloves
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Just explain you're like Howie Mandel.
- rob friedman
do a fist bump
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Leo - thanks for the clearheaded logic
- Chris Heath
it's like that guy from "Boston Legal" that doesn't handshake, keeps his hands on his thighs all the time....
- Ahmed
The mouth is
- Christopher Mercer
We could spit instead.
- Ken Sheppardson
Spit on each other.
- Ken Sheppardson
touch anuses
- Josh Haley
Needs better moderation. Too much talking over each other.
- Byron McCollum
roflmao
- Chris Heath
We shake hands for the same reason we wear suits and ties.
- Ken Sheppardson
we wear suit and ties?
- Christopher Mercer
Eskimos, Maoris touch noses. Be thankful it's just the hands.
- Josh Haley
You obviously don't work in tech :P
- Christopher Mercer
Yeah, Hugh *never* attacks TechCrunch
- Ken Sheppardson
just thought I'd throw it out there that I have awesome corn on the cob and a smoked turkey sammich
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
Wear a button that warns people that you don't shake hands cuz you're a germaphobe
- Tina Chase Gillmor
The moderation could be filtering by "likes"
- Charbax
Christopher: In theory. Roll with me.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: Alright, since you asked nice!
- Christopher Mercer
let's just sniff each other like dogs
- Tina Chase Gillmor
thanks, Gunny. Now I'm hungry :p
- Josh Haley
Mike is so passive aggressive. lol Makes me laugh.
- Christopher Mercer
Doc FTW
- Ken Sheppardson
Go DOC!
- Christopher Mercer
+1 Doc
- Chris Heath
Looks like Mike is a "hugging" kind of a guy http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Ahmed
Crazy hostility.
- Byron McCollum
Canter's on the line. This will get fun now. Where's Jason...
- Ken Sheppardson
Mike reminds me of Dvorak - he practices the same schtick.
- Leo Laporte
lol
- rob friedman
:-)
- Chris Heath
Up in Halifax, NS they had a fire recently and the local media (and half the city) learned of it from Twitter first. Social Media for the win.
- Christopher Mercer
how did twitter save Santa Barbra?
- jccalhoun
-hiss-
- Chris Heath
Oh, snap!
- russellcoleman
Robert: The answer to that question is YES
- Ken Sheppardson
why am I listening to this again?
- Josh Haley
I'm putting my hand over my mouth and saying geeeeeeez to myself
- Tina Chase Gillmor
"Don't Destroy my Network" nice
- rob friedman
@Josh maybe because you are bored and need to listen to a bunch of geeks talking...
- Ahmed
wow, short!!!
- Christopher Mercer
Good question Josh
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Jesus, why is arrington even on the gillmor gang? when he's not being an ass, he's talking about the time someone else treated him poorly. Me me me me... woe is me. meh.
- Phil Essing
Why did leo leave and why was this show so short?
- Stephen Pickering
Phil: easy on mike
- Christopher Mercer
Seems pretty short.
- Phillip Stewart
It's not as if you don't have a dozen other people on the call you can attack...
- Ken Sheppardson
No, it was DAve.
- Ken Sheppardson
unbelievable how you guys talk to each other.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
mike, baited the hook at least, no?
- Chris Heath
I'm being hard on Arrington? Perhaps, he should consider being less of an SOB.
- Phil Essing
Phil: Hello Pot? Kettle on line three
- Christopher Mercer
If RSS = Dave Winer's thing, then you're attacking his baby.
- rob friedman
RSS is dead? then how is FriendFeed going to suck in all my content?
- Rob Clark
It's personal for Dave Winer because its his baby. I can understand that.
- Stephen Pickering
leo had henry's lacrosse game to go to
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Dave said the other day that RSS was dead himself on his blog
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
dave winer calling people names? noooo Of course I live in a flyover state so he doesn't care if I hate him...
- jccalhoun
or in a comment
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
yes, RSS is Dave Winer's thing. Steve knows that. But this isn't personal. It's about what's going on and what Steve thinks. It's not personal
- Tina Chase Gillmor
A lot of the crap on Twitter comes from an RSS feed... TwitterFeed.
- rob friedman
a participator in current technology
- Matthew
i has a busket
- Phil Maxwell
yes, but Robert's point earlier that dead=not interesting to talk about was valid
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
steve gillmor= davinci? sheesh
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
It's not personal with me either.
- Robert Scoble
OMG, Gillmor is Leonardo Di Vinci and the FriendFeed guys are the Beatles!
- Stephen Pickering
Gillmor says things are dead once in a while. He said links are dead a few years back.
- Robert Scoble
He said Office is dead three years ago.
- Robert Scoble
Is that Loren cracking up?
- Ken Sheppardson
I'll be honest: I wish Loren had been able to talk more. He was on point and among the most polite on the show. If these could be 3-4 people I think it would be greatly improved.
- Louis Gray
rss needs track
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
a lot of ego's clashing leads to personal attacks
- Kim Landwehr
agreed louis
- Chris Heath
Why did Leo leave?
- Chris
I haven't used office in years myself
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Funny, I don't remember Loren being polite.
- Vezquex: God of FF
links are alive and well on twitter ;-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
So, when Gillmor says RSS is dead it's just a statement about how important he finds the technology.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: Leo had something to do with his family.
- Robert Scoble
what is he talking about?
- Phil Maxwell
true that Kim
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
about the Belguims not giving into the germans?
- Phil Maxwell
looked disgusted
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The rotary phone is dead... RSS is merely becoming less and less relevant
- Phil Essing
Jesus guys... this episode should be called the Kindergarten gang... stop it now..
- Nathan Smith
Gilmor saying something is dead is his way to make it dramatic.
- rob friedman
Hi, Guys. Did I miss another one of *those* shows? (Got here too late.)
- Doug Kaye
does dead mean developmentally dead?
- Matthew
RSS, who cares
- Nick Rae
Steve does
- russellcoleman
Didn't I liked it at all.
- Wayne S Price
How is twitter different than an RSS feed with only one 140 carachter field without metadata per item?
- Charbax
RSS is not dead its just evolving and morphing into something else
- Kim Landwehr
Yes Doug you did...its went wayyy down a road it shouldnt have possibly
- Kevin Hart
Twitter isn't push is it
- Charbax
Alive? just poll the RSS feed a million times a second.
- rob friedman
good
- Byron McCollum
we don't talk about FTP either....but still we use it...RSS is in the same kind of state
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
So mike you going to run away...dont do that
- Kevin Hart
it's a building block, and stones aren't interesting to talk about most of the time
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
uses of rss are evolving, but is the protocol? not really right?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Isn't Kinnernet supposed to be in Israel?
- Charbax
Things come and go guys, diversity on the internet is the important thing... some people get twitter, some are more comfortable with RSS, others with newspapers... talking about things being dead is just headlining.
- Nathan Smith
Mike, I agree there were too many on the call. There are a number of ways to improve the call, which would include having fewer folks and an agenda.
- Louis Gray
I agree with him.
- Michael Forian
I agree about too many people on the call
- russellcoleman
talking about someone when they aren't there to respond is incredibly LOW class
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
I guess thats possibly true Mike...sad. but guess thats true for anywhere but oh well. Like to hear your opinion on such things on the gilmore gang and such...oh well
- Kevin Hart
tell them Scoble
- Nick Rae
Gillmor should post the video on Youtube after every show
- Charbax
Louis, the GG has never had fewer people or an agenda...thats kinda the point of the show. it just kinda flows. its a bunch of back end people talking about all the things
- Kevin Hart
We need GillmorGang Survivor: Just get everybody who has ever been on on the same call, then after the show you have to vote one person off...
- Ken Sheppardson
heh
- Phil Essing
lol Ken
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Keep cutting folks until you're down to 3-4
- Ken Sheppardson
Love that Ken :-)
- Nathan Smith
bye Mr Crunch
- Charbax
Ken, and we should make them all use Redboxes
- rob friedman
Michael I tried to bring in technology and you weren't interested. Google's new Sky app was very cool but you wouldn't have any of it.
- Robert Scoble
Haha Ken
- Bill Heslin
Robert: Who wasn't interested/
- Ken Sheppardson
Agree'd mike, ive listened since like ep1....and yea it used to be more tech. i dont care about government politics. dont care about who hates who... but guess every show goes through ebs and flows.... thanks for the few moments Mike...
- Kevin Hart
no scoop in it if you announce it on the show
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
We can hear STeve's call witn Winer.
- Ken Sheppardson
The last gillmor Gang on RSS is from April 19th? Is there a new feed to get the new shows? Or is it love only now?
- Omar Egan
There aren't any good voting systems yet on the Internet as far as I know, a basic internet poll can be tricked and is not the right way to vote online
- Charbax
gillmor got his feelings hurt
- Nick Rae
Steve: your call is on air.
- Robert Scoble
It's all SCOBLE's fault ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Oh man, this is bad :S
- Christopher Mercer
Scoble needs a headset.
- rob friedman
The private call is being aired. Might as well leave it on...
- Louis Gray
these guys need to stop taking thing's so personally
- jccalhoun
thanks for the heads up
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I think everyone's just in a bad mood this week for whatever reason
- Stephen Pickering
It's a loss not to see Michael on the call more often. He's dead honest and it does hurt, but that's how it goes
- Ville Vesterinen
alpha geeks must sheppard lil alpha geeks.
- rob friedman
Audio isn't all that much of a priority on TWiT live, eh?
- Michael Forian
The guys need to take a chill pill
- Nathan Smith
Michael Forian -- this isn't really a TWiT show. Adio quality is much better on the real TWit shows
- jccalhoun
@Michael Forian: Gillmor Gang is not an official TWiT netcast
- Phil Essing
tough week
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Like O .. M ... G ... if i wanted a lame reality show Id watch Mtv
- zefyr
Forgive, But Remember - It Never Pays To Hold a Grudge http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
lol
- Nick Rae
Michael Forian, the gillmor gang uses phone teleconferences so there's the lowest common denominator for the audio
- Chris Heath
jccalhoun: oh, I know. But still! ;)
- Michael Forian
Agreed, Gillmor Ganger's need a Clonazepam before each show
- Stephen Pickering
Guys... agree to disagree on this episode... best friends again next week... you guys need to all get together for a beer!
- Nathan Smith
Good to hear Scoble. Appreciate all of the people on the call. Valuable insights
- Ville Vesterinen
Weird week.
- Ken Sheppardson
People being people...we all share whats in our heart eventually
- Owen Greaves
yeah very strange.. rather surreal
- Nathan Smith
I haven't taken any of this sersiously. What's wrong with me?
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
UAV is Online
- Matthew
I understand why the audio quality sucks for those on phones, but why was Steve Gillmor's audio crappy?
- Phillip Stewart
that's the right attitude Ken
- Nathan Smith
Every week is weird. Why can't they have a structured show like TWIT where it isn't constant personal attacks?
- Stephen Pickering
Phillip: we're all on cell phones or Skype. Gillmor is in Pacifica. Leo's studio is in Petaluma.
- Robert Scoble
Great example of how trying to communicate in 140c isn't sufficient in a whole lot of cases, e.g. see Winer's comments.
- Ken Sheppardson
Stephen: because of the personalities involved.
- Robert Scoble
I think Gillmor likes it this way. it is Gillmor's show
- jccalhoun
Stephen: we're like that in real life too.
- Robert Scoble
Dave likes to use 15x 140c to express a thought. I say get a blog! For that, I got blocked.
- Christopher Mercer
I see a valleywag post in the future
- Matthew
Aaaahhh... Leo and Paul... great palette cleanser....
- Ken Sheppardson
Sometimes the show feels like I'm attending a STONING!
- Owen Greaves
Matthew: Valleywag? That's dead.
- Robert Scoble
Gillmor Gang is a very "raw" show, which sometimes works to its detriment.
- Phil Essing
Owen: it feels like that sometimes too! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, ISWYDT
- Matthew
Anyway, I'm outta here.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah it was almost like the stoning scene in "The Life of Brain" this show
- Nathan Smith
It's like a modern Roman Gladiator Arena
- Charbax
Yeah, I know. Everyone will be fine like you said in a couple weeks. I think Mike was just in a cranky mood, probably from a stressful week, something about CBS
- Stephen Pickering
Later, Robert. Keep workin' ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
have a good afternoon robert
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I only caught the last 10 minutes... did I miss something? :)
- Jay Cuthrell
Good night from England guys
- Nathan Smith
Thanks, Robert, hope we can catch your interview with Jimmy Wales
- Stephen Pickering
Jay: Depends on what you mean by "something"
- Ken Sheppardson
:-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: *zing*
- Jay Cuthrell
I'm hoping for more live videos and friendfeed chats from kinnernet
- Charbax
I know Gillmor Gang is raw, and there's a lot of value that comes from that, but I thought when he joined Leo's network, Leo would bring a little structure to it as well as audio quality, and he has for the most part, this week just kind of fell apart. Its all good.
- Stephen Pickering
I didn't really mean it that way, i.e. "zing". Lots of folks on the call, some discussion around Steve's "RSS is Dead" thesis, Dave Winer made some comments in Twitter/FriendFeed that sorta sent it sideways...
- Ken Sheppardson
It still boils down to respect for one another....there was a shortage of it today.
- Owen Greaves
exactly owen
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
it's a fun show, especially once friendfeed sends it sideways
- Charbax
@Stephen: Yeah, Leo often ends-up moderating the Gillmor Gang, along with Gillmor, and when he does, the show is better for it
- Phil Essing
Owen, yeah, your right, and they wonder why no sponsors? This could be the no 1 tech show or Social Media show, with the talent, if they could make it more structured.
- Stephen Pickering
Ken: Oh... I was pasting from my irc window -- that *zing* vs. a *zing* here. No worries :)
- Jay Cuthrell
stephen, not to put leo down but i think he sets some stuff loose just for "entertainment value"
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
382 comments, this is getting cool
- Charbax
You're right Phil. All in all it has gotten a lot better. This week is just an exception, and Leo had to leave
- Stephen Pickering
We now have a unit for calibration of cool. Cool is defined by numbers exceeding 382.
- Jay Cuthrell
in a few weeks, there will be thousands of comments per show
- Charbax
Maybe FF can have a "Best of day" that takes into account +382
- Jay Cuthrell
Well, fundamentally, GillmorGang isn't Leo's show. It's a long-running conference call that's just recently moved to TWiT as infrastructure/distribution.
- Ken Sheppardson
thousands of people chatting, friendfeed will implement chat filtering mechanisms in real-time like "Show or highlight only top 10% of the best comments by best chatters"
- Charbax
Yeah, on one end of the spectrum is a YouTube comment, and on the other (hopefully) is a FF comment
- Jay Cuthrell
Yeah, Ken, I think that's just in his blood from working in Radio all these years. you gotta do some of that to keep it interesting. But he's also Professional. I've never seen him pick a fight, personally like many of the other members do on Gillmor Gang.
- Stephen Pickering
Youtube will implement real-time chatting as well eventually, overlayed on the videos
- Charbax
I noticed the feature showing people also watching at the same time... but I rarely see more than 3-4 usernames.
- Jay Cuthrell
Yup but eventually it will be all over Youtube and you can switch it on/off as overlay on the video like the annotations.
- Charbax
It is a "Gang" however. the DNA is in the name
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Stephen, you may be right about grooming with an eye on sponsorship money, but the people that make up the show do it on an inside baseball / think tank basis, and the rough and tumble and rawness is part of its dna.
- Micah Wittman
Tina, we're on the same helical wave length! :)
- Micah Wittman
Dont defend it Tina, just post the recording so I can see what the fuss is about.
- Francine Hardaway
from IM
I'm surprised there are no sponsors for the show, Leo's other shows, besides TWiT, don't receive nearly a fraction of the comments this show receives.
- Matthew
Micah: People still want to be treated with respect or they most likely won't come back regardless of the format
- Owen Greaves
I didn't actually hear this particular show, so I should just wait and see and close my trap. Thanks, Owen.
- Micah Wittman
not only do people want to be treated with respect, but they want to see others treated with respect
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I don't mind watching animated arguments as long as people can be respectful towards each other
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I saw it live at LeWeb08 in Paris, they were insulting europeans and people were booing, it was fun
- Charbax
Micah & Rob: I'm from canada and we are overly polite here so my view is biased :)
- Owen Greaves
I think you're right on Owen.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I don't mind the honesty it's refreshing but it crossed the line today
- Owen Greaves
I am looking to do a show similar to this but not for the Internet Elite...for the small biz owner trying survive
- Owen Greaves
It did cross a line.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
matthew, during leo's other shows most of the chat happens at http://irc.twit.tv #twitlive - for this show there's a lot of chat in there too...
- Chris Heath
thanks for the link to that Chris
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
no prob
- Chris Heath
errr... no prob, rob
- Chris Heath
:-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
rob, what line? I left 30 minutes in...had enough of mike arrington's baiting, just wasn't in the mood for it. things got hot and mean?
- Karoli
as for politics and alliances, @mikearrington, when hasn't it been about that? for as long as i can recall, the politics of tech has been at the fore. there's a struggle afoot right now to get the upper hand on real-time, the cloud, all sorts of uncharted territory. It has always been political, always will be...
- Karoli
Chris Heath, Yeah, I follow that chat as well. But only this show and TWiT have brought in an audience on FriendFeed, even though Leo sets up rooms here for his other shows.
- Matthew
matthew, it probably has to do more with timing... i see leo's ff chats for the others shows during the day, but i'm at work and can't listen... i assume there's a lot of other people like me
- Chris Heath
Karoli: they pretty much all crossed the line...I think that it chilled not long after you left though. I thought Dave, Steve, and Mike all crossed lines. Different ones each
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Karoli - the only reason I knew it was live today was your FF update. I came in late for the series of uncomfy silences.
- Jay Cuthrell
jeez let us never speak of this episode again..
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
They really do need a sponsor maybe Plantronics
- jackygreen
And Xanax ;-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Is there somewhere I can find a recording of the show ? I am a new listener.
- Matthew Marley
I'd like to hear it too. I have to do some driving today and have time to listen.
- Dave Winer
I wouldn't imagine that this is a great show for a new listener to start with.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Ended up here after reading a Bobby Llewellyn tweet - now I know who his next CARPOOL interviewee is :)
- Bigrac
It was a great episode! The caller interaction must be part of the show now.
- Justin Luey
When will we get to hear it?
- Dave Winer
What's happened to this episode? It hasn't appeared on the GG RSS podcast feed. Is it ever going to?
- John Francis
Is the podcast over? I think doing it live only is a huge mistake.
- antonio rodriguez
Intelligent cat door utilizes Twitter, RFID masterfully - http://fredwilson.vc/post...
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Adrian, Kevin Elliott, Mark Interrante and 3 other people liked this
very cool!
- Ville Vesterinen
hmmm, cat hasn't been in for a while (or, no, twitter's down again...)
- Alex Gawley
I want.
- Kevin Elliott
The best time to raise money is when you don't need it
Ville, that's a very good advice. There is however also a lot of money seeking for good investment opportunities. Those who don't know where to put their money are now financing the huge national stimulus packages around the globe. Money and innovations don't meet in the middle of the road.
- Helge V. Keitel
Helge, that was meant to say that you get the best terms (you have to give away least of your ownership) when you seek money when you are not desperately in need of it. This applies for example to what Twitter just did. They did not necessarily need a C round, but they took it.
- Ville Vesterinen
Twingly Sees The Forest From The Trees With Microblog Search - http://www.arcticstartup.com/2009...
Anton Johansson and Robert Scoble liked this
How does this differ from friendfeed's search? Will check it out tomorrow.
- Robert Scoble
Twingly has indexed all the major microblogs including last 6 months of Pownce's even though it does not exist anymore. So it gives you an much much data set to search from. The best microblog search ou there at the moment.
- Ville Vesterinen
Jaiku on taas alhaalla.
sucks!
- Ville Vesterinen
Uusien jaikujen lisääminen ei onnistu. Kommentit menevät perille.
- Christina Forsgård
Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy - http://www.paulgraham.com/badecon...
Customers may drop off individually if they can no longer afford you, but you're not going to lose them all at once; markets don't "reduce headcount."
- Ville Vesterinen
Tietoviikko: Seuraava Facebook tulee Suomesta - http://www.tietoviikko.fi/doc...
e olemme sen verran erikoinen porukka, että tämä on ehkä parempi vaihtoehto. Ja olemme aika paljon näiden ihmisten kanssa tekemisissä muutenkin", Sounio kertoo.
- Ville Vesterinen
Excellent sushi had at sushi togo.
Where's that at?
- Ville Vesterinen
It's right below the Taivas offices at Unioninkatu 24. Strongly suggested.
- Antti Vilpponen
Do Startup Companies Need Community Managers? - ReadWriteWeb - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
mbodied human mind. This embodied mind is generally the fundamental asset for the company
- Ville Vesterinen
Do Startup Companies Need Community Managers? - ReadWriteWeb - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
mbodied human mind. This embodied mind is generally the fundamental asset for the company
- Ville Vesterinen
Conference organizers: please stop with panels - http://thenextweb.org/2008...
Much better is when you know the opinion of people on a panel, that do not correspond at all. Then ensueing discussion will show the public that there’s 2 or more sides to an issue. But this takes more preparation and therefore difficul
- Ville Vesterinen
Conference organizers: please stop with panels - http://thenextweb.org/2008...
Much better is when you know the opinion of people on a panel, that do not correspond at all. Then ensueing discussion will show the public that there’s 2 or more sides to an issue. But this takes more preparation and therefore difficul
- Ville Vesterinen
The Scandinaivian Startup Scene - http://fredwilson.vc/post...
Alex Gawley liked this
Good stuff. Thanks for posting Fred. Always good to hear more about the Scandi scene.
- Ville Vesterinen
landed in copenhagen very exciting day planned eight back to back pitches from scandinavian startups
Alberto Escarlate liked this
that sounds interesting! wonder what the Scandinavians startups focus on compared to US startups?
- Benedict Wong
Sounds exciting. Have a link or the name of the event?
- Ville Vesterinen
the reason why I lked Fred's post is that my startup is half Danish. New York+Copenhagen rule together.
- Alberto Escarlate
from twhirl
Any Norwegian startups?
- Amund Tveit
At work, looking forwards to Juhannus in the midst of getting everything done in time.
Right there with you buddy with a similar agenda =)
- Ville Vesterinen
passed all exams and will graduate 31.7.2008.
Congrats Hele!
- Ville Vesterinen
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