Is Google the new Microsoft? -- it seems that Google Wave really only works well in Chrome -- IE and Firefox both have problems (ranging from niggling to serious). I am guessing that over the long run it will get better in IE and FireFox but it seems clear that consciously or unconsciously they are favouring their own browser.
Even if the compatibility claim is true, Chrome is open source, so that headline is overly sensationalized
- Uche Ogbuji
Both IE (with Chrome Frame) and FireFox have problems with file uploads. With IE the problem is disastrous -- the file never uploads and it seems to screw up the blip as well. In FireFox the name of the file doesn't get appended (it becomes "file").
- Brian Sullivan
Uche -- what difference does it make that Chrome is open source?
- Brian Sullivan
Brian, are you claiming that the wave servers treat the clients differently? i doubt that's the case, so to me the problems you're blaming google for you should be blaming microsoft and mozilla for.
- Chris Heath
No I don't think it is a server issue. Clearly if you write a web app it should work and be tested in its intended environment. Are you implying that Wave is intended to only work in Chrome?
- Brian Sullivan
Besides in IE the client is really Chrome Frame -- are you thinking IE is responsible for how Wave works in Chrome Frame?
- Brian Sullivan
Brian, umm, maybe you first need to clarify what you mean by "is Google the new Microsoft", because I think I've given you the King Kong counter, and you clearly can't see it. So perhaps I just don't understand what you're saying.
- Uche Ogbuji
Microsoft has been constantly vilified for favouring its own products in web based activities -- and ignoring others in its delivery and testing. I am suggesting that Google is letting some of that creep into their process and attitude.
- Brian Sullivan
i have ie & chrome frame, and only get the grey screen from wave, so +1 brian sullivan
- chaz2b
Brian, i took what you said to mean that you think that google is somehow making wave only work good in chrome. To me that's not google's problem, that's ie and firefox not rising to the occasion and shows their weaknesses.
- Chris Heath
@Chis: Your argument is a bit like the Microsoft Joke... "How does Microsoft fix a broken light bulb? They don't! Microsoft declares DarknessTM as the new standard." It's not fully like this, because Wave is not a bug but truely more a feature. But you can't force everyone to use what you belive is the best way. And Google is building up theire powers and raising. They try to get...
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- JoeD
The difference between IE and Chrome is that Chrome is good.
- Will Higgins™
Chris -- that is exactly what I was saying. And I think that definitely is Google's problem.
- Brian Sullivan
I think there is a huge difference: Google uses open standards. It's not google's problem that firefox and IE are not compliant with standards. And also, let's not forget that wave is in pre-alpha version. Let's not jump to conclusions before first release
- Liviu Sas
Regardless of who is responsible, if GWave is going to be "the next email," it's got to work well on more than just Chrome. We'll see...
- Vera Hannaford
This is not a standards issue open or otherwise.
- Brian Sullivan
vera: I agree. The way I see it, the browsers have a lot of catch up to do with the technology in the wave :)
- Liviu Sas
Well, you may be right Brian, but just remember.... Wave is in 'preview' which might be somewhere between alpha and beta releases, (or somewhere between beta and full release)... so it's bound to have some problems. if the file upload problems are they only bugs you've found i'd say it's closer to full release than most people think
- Chris Heath
I am speaking here as an active and enthusiastic Chrome and Wave user (and in process of spec'ing a Wave based product) -- I am just concerned than the attitude "it works in Chrome and all others are lesser and must change" which has been displayed even in this thread not be the prevailing attitude.
- Brian Sullivan
Brian, if you were to make a web service of your own that was a really good product, but very complex using cutting edge technologies would you rather sacrifice the webapp to allow for 100% ie functionality, or saccrifice the experience for those using ie and allow the webapp to have 100% functionality for those using your own approved client?
- Chris Heath
it's not like wave is broken in IE... they did develop chrome frame afterall
- Chris Heath
I see Wave's future and potential largely in the corporate world. The corporate world is IE and to a lesser extent FireFox based and it would be very difficult to move that anywhere in a short amount of time. It is essential that Wave work and work well on those browsers.
- Brian Sullivan
Whoa, I'm not the only one that boticed that, good. It was suprising to learn that Do No Evil was imperfect.
- Monique
Or maybe it's problems with Firefox and IE's HTML5 support, and not with Google Wave at all.
- Devin Gaughan
Wave in IE is handled by the Google Chrome plug in so it doesn't matter what IE's support is -- but the Chrome plug in doesn't work correctly. That is moot though -- if Wave only works with Chrome regardless of the reasons Wave will fail.
- Brian Sullivan
You guys are missing the entire point of why Chrome even exists. Google made Chrome because current browsers just didn't have the necessary support and features to move the web forward. Wave is obviously one of those initiatives that couldn't be completely realized without a bunch of changes to the existing browsers. It makes perfect sense that it works best in Chrome. Does it really...
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- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
It's also still in early preview, so you can expect a lot will be fixed before beta. And I'm sure it will be much more usable and far more compatible come official release. Google's biggest problem is releasing products so early for the dev community, it gives something for critics to pick at even when everyone knows it is a very early version that still has many updates to go before it is ready for everyday use.
- Devin Gaughan
Yes I think there is a point being missed here as well. IE is not going away any time soon -- regardless of how bad it is or how good Chrome is. Wave is (or will be) compelling but not that compelling. IE is firmly entrenched in the enterprise -- if Wave does not work with IE, it will not be usable in the enterprise -where its main attraction would be and will fail. The Chrome plug in...
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- Brian Sullivan
Devin -- I am not despairing that Wave is in trouble -- as I said I am an enthusiastic Chrome and Wave user -- I just don't want the attitude that working with Google's browser is good enough to be become the driving mantra behind its development.
- Brian Sullivan
My favorite of all the Google Sesame Street themes is this one and Big Bird. And I should have looked down here before posting this picture in my feed. :P
- Mol, Santa Claws
I thought spinsters just had a lot of cats and never had been married, not that they didn't get funky once and a while (once every 61 days).
- Andy Bakun
Imma have to tell my wife she has to let me out of the house more often...
- Zen Master the Librarian
I keep trying to come up with a response to this. And yet I can't - I'm just thoroughly saddened that I'm below average librarian in this case.
- ÉllbeeÇee
"Random" partners are chosen by the ALA Casual Sex Interest Group using a special method passed down by Hawthorne Dewey (Melvil's little-known sex-obsessed brother).
- s t e v e
Does that method involve punch cards, mahogany drawers and a rub down with a Secretarial School diploma?
- Pete
*looks down* My drawers are not mahogany today. They're blue & stripey.
- josh neff, geek at large
Yes, fags and dykes only at my branch (hiring prerequisite). I believe this to be true in most places. At any rate, it must be true, as I read it on the inner-net.
- Kittyburgers
from IM
Really, Kittyburgers? You couldn't a better way of saying that? *sigh*
- Derrick
you know that moment when you realize that you are just a *little* too comfortable in a conversation and you said something you wish you could take back? ... #uncomfortable
- Bren, Not Grinchy
A former premier of Ontario is on record as admitting that he went to teachers' college for the sole purpose of finding a spouse. If he'd had a clue, he would have gone to library school.
- DJF
Srsly, it's my impression that librarianship is a very gay & lesbian friendly profession. I wouldn't say *most* of the men are gay by any means, but plenty of them are.
- s t e v e
So have all the geeks left FriendFeed? Reply to this post with where you feel you fall - 'geek' or 'non-geek'. :-) EDIT: I think that's pretty clear, the geeks have *not* left FriendFeed. :-)
a carnival performer who does disgusting acts eccentric: a person with an unusual or odd personality , or an individual with a passion for computers, to the exclusion of other normal human interests. I assume we are using the last definition?
- Brian Sullivan
Geek, but not in terms of tech, rather comic books, etc. :)
- Derrick
You hand in your ticket...And you go watch the geek...Who immediately walks up to you...When he hears you speak...And says, "How does it feel...To be such a freak?"...And you say, "Impossible"...As he hands you a bone
- Greg Guitarbuster
Geek, of course. That's why I don't fit in on other social networks.
- April Russo (app103)
Nerd and Proud™! (which should count as geek)
- Marco Fabbri
@Marco Fabbri: Nerd != Geek. In SML Dictionary, Nerds have no fashion sense and can't talk to people, Geeks generally have a fashion sense and can carry on a conversation relatively ok; nerds usually wear white t-shirts and white sneakers; Geeks generally wear black t-shirts and black sneakers. A classic example: Nerd = Bill gates; Geek = Steve Jobs!
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
depends on what we are geeking out about. if we're talking about music, shoes, spinning, dyeing, yarn, german history, b movies and zombies- then ubergeek.
- Mary Carmen
geek, but not the tech type of geek, more like a geeky nerd
- William Harryman
Geek in some respects. Non geek in others. So...semi geek
- Tamara
from iPhone
left as not "left" but they kinda abandoned it/reduced the usage
- ffcode
@See-ming Lee that is indeed controversial. Anyway as choice was given between geek and non-geek I meant some degree of nerd counts as geek.
- Marco Fabbri
@Marco Fabbri Well I think that all geeks are nerds, but all nerds != geeks. I believe that Set(Geek) includes Set(Nerd) but this is a question I have been thinking about for years now and I don't yet have a conclusion yet. But at least that's where I'm at now!
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
healing my wounded inner geek. i went freak for a while, then artsy-hipster... keeping hints of those, but the foundation is looking mighty geek.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
The way I look at it, most of my friends primarily use Facebook OR Twitter. A few use both, and a few have YouTube Accounts. They don't read RSS feeds or use Google Reader or Digg or StumbleUpon. Therefore, non-geeks cannot see the benefits of this aggregation power (anyone agree or not?)
- Nathan Snyder
Proof that geeks have NOT left FriendFeed? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Non-geek being converted by the boyfriend.
- Nurse Katie
Peeps! its not winter yet! Stp breaking out the parkas & lighting fires - wht will U do when it's winter, hibernate below ground? #chs IMHO - http://twitter.com/charles...
I think you still need to add me as a contact. I'm mdfidler [at] googlewave [dot] com. Go to manage contacts and add me there. I added you to some public waves to help you get started:)
- Michael Fidler
I 'm not cool enough to receive Twitter List yet :-(
- Vera Hannaford
Vera: most of the 5,000 people (approx, I'm guessing based on how many users I've seen so far) who got lists were picked randomly (I started keeping a list of all of them).
- Robert Scoble