I still haven't met a FF application I could stand to use for more than a few minutes.
- Craig Eddy
I saw an early alpha of the iPhone app. Looked good. I also saw an early alpha of Seesmic web and the way it advanced between the alpha and launch was dramatic - so I expect the iPhone client will track the same way.
- Steve Rubel
from email
Robert that's really great. I definitely will consider switching back when the Seesmic iPhone app arrives.
- Vinko
Will get me,too, switched back to using Seesmic ;) Looking forward to hear from Loic soon
- Ali BULUT
This might just tempt me away from Tweetdeck...
- Andrew Terry
If they add friendfeed to the web app, I'll maybe use it instead of PeopleBrowsr. But then again, peoplebrowsr has implemented friendfeed in a very good way already.
- Svartling
You gotta keep an eye on Yahoo homepage. They have FB integration and someday may integrate Twitter (they have the 'what are you doing now'). Seesmic is way ahead, but Yahoo has mainstream adoption
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah, I agree. The new Yahoo homepage is impressive.
- Steve Rubel
from email
Im not sure it's impressive, as it's evolutionary, not revolutionary. When Wave comes out, it could dash the shine that Yahoo has.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Where do I sign up! I'm praying your web app will make my life of FF, FB, Twitter ETC more manageable!!!!! W/out crashing my puters AND still let me see my Home feeds!
- Arleen Boyd
I'm thinking that this is the type of post that would be good reason for FriendFeed to have a "Love" click option next to the "Like" click option so that we can register better levels of our emotion towards news we read in others' streams!
- Chris Aldrich
First is it your page? There are a few things, change password right away, change your Ping.FM as well, then once you are in your FB page we need to clean out your connections... let me know if you want todo a togo and I can walk you threw it, direct message me and I can help you out... I know my social crazed circle :)
- CatherineSeven
I liked the page just to post a link to this FriendFeed conversation. Just to check - is there a home builder in Plano named Matt Cutts?
- John E. Bredehoft
The underlying web site was designed by Assassin Marketing, according to the page's Privacy Policy and its Terms & Conditions. The Anti-Spam Policy links to a non-existent page.
- John E. Bredehoft
"Those of us who have championed open platforms cannot ignore these facts. It’s conceivable that, had Apple loosened the restrictions surrounding the App Store, the iPhone ecosystem would have been even more innovative, even more democratic. But I suspect that this view is too simplistic. The more complicated reality is that the closed architecture of the iPhone platform has contributed to its generativity in important ways."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
great article. Interesting to see how Apple is building a proprietary empire similar to AOL and CompuServe... hmm. This fact alone has prevented me from buying the iPad, even though I love my iPhone. I don't want to be locked in to the Apple empire when it comes to a tablet device.
- Susan Beebe
I am all for openness but some times control is needed to manage the chaos that will result. This is often seen in applications created on the Windows platforms. I am not saying that there are no quality software on the Windows platforms, of course I'm also an alien to that platform, having chosen the Apple OS's for the past 24+ years. I also agree that Apple may have been too strict...
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- Vinko
Let's see, you've never used the platform but you claim there's no quality software for it? I think Vinko's showing all the late stages of Apple fanboyism. I'm afraid it's too late for medical intervention.
- Piaw Na
The open platform nature of the Atari video game platform was blamed for its failure as too many bad games flooded the market. Nintendo went the other way, deliberately limiting game releases and requiring game companies to apply for licenses to release more than 2-3 games a year. Then Sony came along and decimated that model with a much more open approach to licensing games.
- Piaw Na
We've seen this movie before, Apple PC OS was original walled garden and umm evil ole MS ate them alive now in an even more open computing environment closed is a dead business model and ASUS is likely the one to write the obituary
- WarLord
@Piaw, Vinko quite explicitly *didn't* say Windows has no quality software.
- Andrew C (✓)
And as for Sony vs Nintendo, I would strongly disagree that Sony beating Nintendo had to do solely with being "much more open". Nintendo already opened up - Sega had gained a foothold in the US in the console market a generation earlier (with the Genesis) thanks to getting top ranked games like SF2 with a six button controller and a non-censored Mortal Kombat. In the next generation...
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- Andrew C (✓)
... But even if your point was valid... Sony was still - and is to this day - much more closed, much more controlled than the PC market. (Back in the days of the first Playstation, in fact, Sony America was reviled by a certain tiny segment of the market for how it tended to reject even allowing some Japanese games to be licensed for the American market, strictly on the criteria that...
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- Andrew C (✓)
It's clear that the next big challenge for open systems is to find a way to conceal the scars that make them look like a Frankenstien's monster. The price for openness cannot continue to be a degraded user experience even if it means we have to work harder to get cooperation between all the parties building on a platform.
- Kelly Norton
I understand a strategy of control the core and allow a bit of chaos on the edge to drive innovation. Over time the the edge is folded into the core, the core grows, and the edge grows at an even faster rate. Trying to control the edge I don't understand. Open source shows opening the core also has problems, but the direction Apple is taking seems unnecessarily self-limiting.
- Todd Hoff
@Piaw, Andrew is correct I did not say there's no quality software on the Windows platform. There are bad software on any platforms, as long as there are lazy developers. I have seen this on Mac and Windows OSs, but Windows is where I've seen the most even with the limited exposure I have for the platform. With Mac OS, Apple used to have a very explicit "guidelines" for how each...
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- Vinko
B.S. If you want to produce good software, you have to release frequently and iterate. A model where you can't do that (e.g., iPad/iPhone) makes it very difficult to even fix bugs.
- Piaw Na
The Open Market always wins, Apple can only swim upstream for so long until the current's overcomes.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
This must be why the 3do and pc dominate gaming.
- Andrew C (✓)
from Android
@andrew C um, the playstation didn't hereld the end of the PC market. The playstation beat out its console bretheren because 1) it was real 3D, contrast this to the Saturn which was still designed for 2D grunt. Basically, then market dominant Sega miscalculated the next gen. 2) Wipeout. This game blew peoples minds and really helped to push the playstation into peoples homes. The PC...
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- alphaxion
I know the PC games market isn't completely dead, but when Epic, iD, and Cryteam - all former PC first developers - are all shifting to a console-first strategy... I would say the sun has set. And as for Farmville and Maple Story, I'm still not 100% convinced. Extremely financially successful FB games like Zynga's (used to?) depend on scams, and as for freemium games, I don't think it's comparable to boxed games.
- Andrew C (✓)
from Android
My contention was that the PS1 didn't hereld the death of the PC market... Tho, I agree that the PC market is no longer the powerhouse it used to be, but it still has the likes of Valve (largest independent games studio in the world) with their successful steam store, Blizzard, Gas Powered Games, Introversion, Blue Frog (recently born from former Bullfrog employees), Lucas Arts, Popcap,...
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- alphaxion
OK, 1 that sounds like sour grapes, and 2, Epic switching focus is important not just for Epic's own games but because the Unreal Engine is a top-tier piece of middleware and itself signals that most teams licensing UE are themselves also focusing more on consoles. My real point remains: if 'openness wins all', exactly when is that going to happen in the boxed game market?
- Andrew C (✓)
It's not sour grapes, it's just being irked by someone with a massive ego talking bollocks. When he was confronted by journalists for proof of the reasons why they were quitting the PC market he refused and tried to deflect the conversation. Also, the Unreal Engine will always be available to the PC market for use - they wouldn't turn down extra money for no additional investment since...
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- alphaxion
Waseem Sadiq, CTO (left) and Khuram Hussain are showing me how you can send emails and messages to Twitter, Facebook, and others. It is in private beta now, will launch later this year. http://www.inbox2.com Does all sorts of useful stuff like forwarding, copying, etc. "It is really hard to build a good email client," says Sadiq. They nailed it, must try it.
- Robert Scoble
Very cool. I can imagine this being something to tie me over until Google Wave is released. I presume the transition to Google Wave from Inbox2 will be a ease?
- Vinko
Robert, thx for the plug! Everybody that wants an invite just leave your email address on the website (www.inbox2.com), will take a few weeks before you get one tho, due to the infrastructure we're setting up to serve u all :-)
- Waseem Sadiq
'a few weeks'!! we'll have all forgotten about it by then! -- you've got our interest now (it's about 20 people, how much infrastructure would be required?)
- Paul
Hehe that is true, but if I let you guys in now I might end up spoiling the zen like email experience once its good enough. I'll tell you what, if you are willing to try out the product and tell us how we can improve it, or blog about it, Í will get you an invite (waseem at inbox2 dot com)
- Waseem Sadiq
They should have a status for people who need to be committed ;)
- Tinfoil 2.0
i'm married. happily. for over a decade. *pops another Seroquel ER*
- Joe The Sausage
Hahhahahaha!! That's why people need to think ahead and hide all of that!
- Mona Nomura
What if you're committed and they're not? or they're in prison? Or you don't like a person but wake up every morning next to them, both of you naked and covered in Cheetos and lipstick? That sounds complicated.
- Kevin Fox
What amazes me is that there are no asterisks by all of those boxes saying "required field" and most people still dutifully fill them in. People like drama, I think.
- Tinfoil 2.0
1) I agree that "it's complicated" is total bull. 2) I took out any reference to my relationship status in my profile because the ads that that it pulled in were so obnoxious.
- vicster
Amen sista! It's a black and white topic if you ask me. Hence my status :)
- Nicholas Kreidberg
I'd like to change my relationship status on FB to very, very single - but that's too complicated too -/
- Chris Loft
Either they don't use the relationship field to target ads, or they don't think too highly of my marriage status.
- Brian Johns
I supposed it is a relief status people only use for an hour or so, just to blow off steam.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Brian: they most definitely do. When I was "in a relationship", I kept getting ads for engagement rings. When I was "engaged", I kept getting ads for wedding photography and event planning. Now that I'm married, I get the usual "meet singles near you!" ads...
- Tudor Bosman
The problem I have is that every time I see the word "Complicated" I can't help but get that stupid song stuck in my head. (http://www.youtube.com/watch...) You look like a foooool to meeeeeeeeeeee
- Stephen Mack
"OpenCL and GCD are no minor tweaks. Grand Central, particularly, is revolutionary. It’s as though someone did a whole bunch of math and realized that 17 letters of the alphabet are absolutely superfluous and only serve to cap the bandwidth of verbal communication. And then they rewrote all the rules of grammar to support this new scheme."
- sean andersen
"But it’s possible that they’re setting the stage for the speculative Something Big and want to make sure that as many Mac users as possible have the right processing muscle to use that new feature or service."
- sean andersen
Yeah, this is a great article. I heard him saying this on MacBreak Weekly. Brilliant insight.
- Stephen Pickering
I love that Bret, Paul, and Kevin checked in. They probably are looking at their screens and asking "what do we do now?" how about ship some new features before Facebook overlords take you off to do bigger things?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I feel sorry for all you addicts. My use of it is purely social.
- Bruce Lewis
I do like FF and use it almost every day. Wouldn't it be great if FB either left it alone so we can continue to use it as "professionals," or somehow incorporate it into a more "mature" version of FB that didn't have all the annoying, time-wasting apps, games, etc. I'd much prefer a totally customizable FF "wall."
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I think FFundercats HO!!!!! would have worked but I'm here anyways.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Actively fighting addiction to anything on a daily basis, but I'm still a FriendFeed fan! (I'd have been here sooner but I've been staring at Phoebe Cates pics for longer than I realized.)
- Mark J
here. anecdote: a friend of mine just signed up for FF this evening. apparently the FriendFeed hype of the last 24 hours pushed him over the top. leaves me wondering whether FF has actually gained users today?it would be a crafty way of marketing the service. I'll wake up tomorrow to discover that there was a problem with the paperwork and the FriendFeed team have had a change of heart.
- JSLeFanu
from BuddyFeed
Count me in even though I was just starting to get hooked. I guess it's time to find a rehab and get all sobered up until the next relapse with some other new addiction. Isn't life grand?
- Usman Bashir
oh hey, look, the added an "add comment" link to the end of the comment list. Huzzah!
- Brett Kelly
from iPhone
++Jay. I was going to do the same thing yesterday but I didn't want to pay the money.
- David Cook
David -- this was a $9.95 session but you can get them for $7.95 and there are also 25% off coupons if you do online check-in prior to your Delta flight. That's an incentive for folks to use that service and offload kiosk use at the terminals. Very savvy marketing by the folks at GoGo and Delta combined.
- Jay Cuthrell
Yo Scobey! I like Dave Winer's thoughts on user owned tech companies ... been thinking similar things.
- Jason Cronkhite
well, it's 12:12 a.m. and I'm perusing FF from my iPhone via BuddyFeed before turning in. so yeah, I guess I count. "Here!" (raises hand)
- Don Faulkner
from BuddyFeed
I recommend FF to some of my clients, and there are some companies and nonprofits with presences here—not like Twitter, but I'll be curious how that will be affected when FB takes over more. Most have FB fan pages, groups and/or causes, too.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
И так чятег, пока Скобл не поговорит с нами представителями СовиетФрендфидика, все мои записи теперь можно читать в этом тредике. Пользуясь случае передаю Парню Бухайту и его команде большой привет, в связи с тем что [He can has sleep naw].
- ideali
я вчера был в издательстве, с меня сведения об авторе просят. давайте, говорят, напишем, где учился, что генеральный директор. и что известный блоггер.
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
а можно получить профессию известного блоггера? какие экзамены сдавать надо? какую специализацию лучше выбрать - микроблоггинг или аудиоподкастинг?
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
Один чувак пришол в чятег и говорит я известный блоггер кто тут тру на первый второй рассчитайсь. А ему говорят чувак у тебя сертификат есть что ты известный блоггер? Вот иди Зайке экзамен сдай потом приходи. А Зайка стоит такой с топором и улыбается. Щас думает счастливым его сделаю.
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
Я потерял интерес в данный момент. Я буду скрывать, как и любой другой. Это хромой, что вы захватили этот. Пивные правила. Спокойной ночи. :-)
- Matthew Horton
Hi, I'm Bette... I don't know if I'm an addict, but I can't stay away... I keep checking, just to see if something's new... and I cry if I get no responses to a post. Is that addictive behavior? :D
- Bette Cooper
Yup, I have blocked all the impersonators now. You will still see them, but I don't see them and they no longer can comment on any of my items.
- Robert Scoble
@scobleizer As far as I can see you have blocked not only the impersonators (who renamed themselves back the moment they found out you have a problem with this) but most of the folks who chatted there.
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
@meatreach yes, see next thread. Scobble becomes anti-Russian.
- Never Impersonate You
Maxatma: well, that's just too bad. I speak English. Sorry. People who don't speak English really don't have any business commenting on one of my items, except in rare cases.
- Robert Scoble
Why you, Robert Scoble, don't block users from Spain or Italy? China or arabic countries? Those users that comments on non-English languages?
- Never Impersonate You
@Robert, in fact they do speak English. But they also do make fun of Friendfeed and everything that's going on there. You can block them or take part in this fun. ;)
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
I prefer FF over twitter and facebook, but all my friends are on twitter and/or facebook. Maybe facebook will get it right this time now that it has acquired FF. If they simplify it a bit more without removing functionality. Then I would spend a bit more time on FB. Lets hope all goes well with the merger. If not I'm jumping ship and going over to Google Wave. oh wait, I'm going to go with Google Wave regardless! ;-)
- Captain Jack
Bu arada Russian friends Turkiye'ye selamlar gonderiyor.
- ideali
@scobleizer i can speak english and i beg you to remove bann from all russian friendfeeders, because we are all from it-community, working in internet companies and we came with peace, you asked for feedback from friendfeed addicts — we show you how really it is being frf addicts, we change names, we chat, we making things that are not serious. Why so serious? Unlock people, they are not bots, they just playing the game of real addicts and have fun. Common.
- ideali
shaun: I started this post to demonstrate that a lot of us are still here and aren't likely to leave. At least not quickly. So, life goes on after FriendFeed gets acquired by Facebook. Point proved.
- Robert Scoble
Beyler, bana bir sey anlatin, bu kadar ciddi olmaya ne gerek var? Translation: Guys, why so serious?
- ideali
ideali: have them send email to scobleizer@gmail.com and I'll unblock anyone who says they weren't impersonating me.
- Robert Scoble
Hector: good morning! I need coffee.
- Robert Scoble
@robert yes they (we will) stay here, I think tat the migration process will take time and after reading @Paul Bucheit, I think that what we all are trying to get even if we don't say it explicitly is to preserve a kind of intimacy (beeing a part of the Huge faceBook community) don't mean that FF community will preserve their intimacy, why should a community be a plan one, (let imagine a community as a set of sub-community) that all.
- abdellah
Wow!! So many likes and comments; is it a record Rob?
- Erfun
@scobleizer thank you, for understanding. be cool, guys we just want have fun here a little. Take care.
- ideali
@Robert RE "I have enough noise in my life. I don't need to have more" - isn't it a lot of noise having 26K subscriptions and 46K subscribers on your frf account? I'm kind of surprised - you create a community that large around yourself, yet when you see a new and unusual activity you just block it right away.
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
@Robert, patience? Who's talking about patience? It's about curiosity, not patience. When something strange and unusual happens around you, you can either try to stop it or try to see what it can develop into. You choose to stop - and it stopped. Well, not stopped - just moved to some other place. And do you really know what it was and what it was about to bring you?
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
I'm here all the way from South Africa! I dig this service and I'm not quite ready to give it up. Regardless of the news about the acquisition, this remains an awesome service.
- Paul Jacobson
I'm new to ff but find more valuable information here than anywhere else!
- Janet Crance
I'm sure this is part of Scoble's plot to poll all the people who really read his posts, and unfollow the rest. So I raise my hand.
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Just a wannabe. Not an addict (yet).
- Carole Hicks
It might also be a way for me to filter down my "following" count (diff (my followers, scoble)) are the only people I really need to follow. Those that scoble follows, I can safely unfollow and use Scoble as my social media filter :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Loading this thread on the iPhone uses 1% battery life lol
- Mark
from iPhone
pardon the arrogance but it really sucks this great forum of sharing will turn into a myspace humdrum. Now I have to find another SM where first adopters and well informed techies won't haft to compete with general "noise"
- earl wallace
I just mention the 1500 mark since it was such an iconic query to see... that and the 500 Likes club of FF posts. It's pretty exclusive stuff... but it's also sobering to note that the subject matter required to get to these levels isn't always a uniform mix of cares/concerns.
- Jay Cuthrell
When I heard the FaceBook news, I tried to quit FriendFeed and I couldn't... I'M HOOKED
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
i clicked the "1488 more comments" and my computer nearly exploded. and yes, i am using an amiga 500.
- jack
Now that I have instructions (thanks LouisGray) and figured out my Bookmarklet! I am LOVING the ease of use! addict - not quite...
- Robyn Hawk
Actually, I lied. I am not a die-hard friendfeed fan. I desperately want to be but have just not been able to get into a good "feeding" rhythm. Maybe I need to add some more friends
- Anant Gairola
I don't need to be addict. I'm just here, everyday, absorbing so many geeky info :D There's no place like FF
- Lysender
I'm still with ya, Robert. Whatever FB paid for FF, it wasn't enough!
- Donald C. Lindsay
New here, but learning. Tips for best use?
- Barbara Langham
@bdlangam From my perspective the #1 tip in this category is: Explore and define "best use" for yourself. Despite potential "finishing" impression of some productive consolidations in this collective-collaborative cognition space, the emergent #cognosphere is still WAY too nascent to assert anything other than initial impressions. March to the beat of your own drum; build your own...
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- michael silverton
yeah sorry, late. was at Shambhala Music Festival, I know tardy, sorry...
- The Real sofarsoShawn
I'm getting hooked, still figuring it all out
- Michele McGraw
I think I do. Not enough contacts to make a impression.
- Michael Schlag
That looks very smart. Good idea for a Business.
- Mark Aitken
This is very cool for having a team of people working together on Twitter. I can throw a Tweet over to Rocky and he can answer it, RT it, etc. This is one reason why Twitter is getting adopted by businesses and why they won't move to something else.
- Robert Scoble
Great tool... but I think only big business will pay for it. For most business, the automatic search tool of TweetDeck, Tweetie and the other Twitter apps will be enough.
- Mauricio Jaramillo Marín
I left Twitter for Jaiku. Then Jaiku left me for Google. I moved in with Pownce but it died. I went back to Twitter, but flirted with Plurk, Identica, and Rejaw, and even tried doing it myself with Laconica but it was Twitter I really loved. Twitter finally broke my heart so I left it for Friendfeed. Now Friendfeed is leaving me for Facebook. No...
It reads better than Soap - my roadmap is very similar but I'll forgive FF and live happily ever after with it (for the time being, anyway)
- Nicholas Paul Gordon
from iPhone
You're the best Leo. Canadians are the funniest people.
- Dan Lessard
I'm betting they'll slowly digest it into the Facebook news feed. They claim that Friendfeed is staying put for now, but that won't last.
- Ken Bauer
And we keep following Leo all over the place!
- Robert Scoble
When will we all get in a long term relationship and stop getting our hearts broken?
- Nate Pilling
so what is more important, the medium or the people, hope that FF will let us export our content, and our social netork :) (in my wild dreams)
- abdellah
Need ice cream? I'm new to FF, and kind of sad I didn't jump on the proverbial wagon sooner!
- Elizabeth K. Barone
I hope you leave your standard breadcrumbs so we can find you in the next chapter of social interaction.
- JCunwired
Feels to me like maybe it's time to go back to building a distributed network, rather than hopping from service to service.
- Ken Sheppardson
But where to next? That's the question. Wave sounds great, but the implementation will be a PAIN. So where? Oh LeoMoses...where is our path in the desert?
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Sounds like a hurtin' country song in the making.
- Bill Rodman
Well you can't say that what is happening in the 'social sphere' is boring by any means!
- Matt Cassem
I think Leo's audience is more likely to click "Like" or "comment" than Scoble's is. When Leo and Rob are both posting on FF, Leo gets more likes and comments
- Mark
Didn't you leave a post earlier saying how funny it was that people complain anytime there's a change (referring to the FF buyout)? This sounds like a complaint to me.
- Fleagle
Not complaining - just thinking about the future. I think a little Friendfeed DNA will vastly improve Facebook. And I think Facebook is already the big winner with the general populace. I also think we geeks need a corner somewhere else to hang out in.
- Leo Laporte
And I have no plans to leave Friendfeed. Yet.
- Leo Laporte
I feel more of a personal connection with the FriendFeed team than I have with other services I've left, and that will be a big part of why I will stay as long as possible.
- Louis Gray
^^^ replace "team" with "community" and there's my reason for sticking it out.
- JCunwired
Its also going to take a very long time to go through content and bookmark/store it elsewhere. Evernote is going to be used heavily in the weeks to come.
- JCunwired
The only way to have control is to use your own URL
- Craig Shipp
Wait till you meet Facebook's randy cousin Overly Friendly Book =)
- Cynthia Yildirim
what Louis gray said. I'm going to hang around until the lights go out.
- Jordan Brock
from BuddyFeed
What they said, I don't see any reason to leave FriendFeed unless something actually changes that makes the service worthless to me.
- Craig B.
And many times you cheated Twitter, she was always loyal to you. Thats mean someting!
- Jacque
from m.ctor.org
yup me too Louis and I don't know any of them
- Thomas Power
Users today are investors too - only the 'exit' for us is not lucrative.... its the other way sometimes :)
- Mrinal Desai
I just had the idea: wow, how good will Faceboook become though this input? (JUST imagine tagging ppl in FB the way U can Tag them in FF.)
- oliver gassner
Don't worry Leo, its not you, its them...
- Steven McGurn
I agree with Jonathan Hardesty "It's like the internet version of Days of Our Lives" - And sites keep getting killed off only to come back to life a month later!
- Amy Flynn
very true, however on the other hand, we are getting closer to that one service which everyone will be on... and I dont think twitter is going to be that one
- Bryce Campbell
Facebook buying FriendFeed is like having to MOVE just when you got your house all dressed up and made into a comfy HOME! I don't feel like doing it again!
- Arleen Boyd
Now that Facebook and Friendfeed have married, I'm waiting for Twitfacefeedplebospacening.
- Anthony Marco
Leo, u by your self made two companies (services) out of 3 famous and made Google interested enough to buy 2 of them (Jaiku & FF). Google also tried to flirt with Twitter as well. So which one u choose now? Cause we will follow u :P
- Sam Ehsan
Sounds like some of my past love affairs. Of course, I'm married now. That, um, was prior.
- Paul Chaney
Feeling a bit worn around the edges? ... me too!
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Speaking of Days Of Our Lives: Didn't that show jump the shark when the serial killer was unmasked as Marlena (a character I used to have a mad crush on, and who's now mostly a professional victim)? Then all the "killed" characters came back to life, since they were only what I call "soap opera dead"...
- Dennis Jernberg
And if everyone follows you, then your all having affairs all over the place! LOL
- Technogran
I think it's back to the TWiT Army!
- Paul Salzman
It's not like we have proposed Healthcare reform, or anything really important, going on in the U.S.A.
- Steve de Mena
I've decided I'm not going to tell ANYONE which site I'm favoring... not even myself! I swear! As soon as I decided that FF was my new place (a couple months ago) THIS happens! It's like magic, but in a bad bad way...
- Mark J
Why do we all assume this is a bad thing? Maybe the FF Facebook combo will be better??
- Craig Shipp
Maybe they'll keep both open -- FF is the open side, and FB is the closed side.
- John Flinchbaugh
from IM
I know exactly how you feel. What's a person to do? I am mad at Twitter for suspending some of my accounts. First, the accounts kept causing the password to reset, then they were suspended, all around the time of the DOS attacks. All I ever used Twitter for was to advertise my businesses, and for fun. Now I don't know where to go.
- DogPatch
It's like my beloved Archie comics romantic twists from childhood! Archie loves Veronica who loves Reggie who loves Betty who loves Archie... ;)
- Shawn Zehnder Rossi
한글 와서~ 루거 .. 당신은 정말 잘 생기고있다 누드 사진 기다리다 :]
- HealingBrush
One of the funniest sad stories I've heard in a long time...
- Aviva Gabriel
Gotta find one who is a lady in public and a whore in the bedroom. One who looks like a woman, but thinks like a man. One who tells you you're the only person in their world and worships the ground you walk on. One who's from Venus but want's to live on Mars. One who you know will always be there even when the chips are down. One who looks like a movie star, but doesn't bust the credit...
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- Jan Simmonds
I think a lot of people LOVE to think negatively and don't want to think positively. They think FB is BAD and will ruin FF, but I think if they do it well, FB won't be the bad guy. I think most people who are irked about this are irked because they think the FFers "sold out" to the "man".
- Mol, FF Music Lover
@Mollyanna - I disagree. I am irked because the future of FF is completely uncertain. It's more likely that FB will let FF flounder and close it down than it is that FB will invest time and resources in maintaining and enhancing FF. FB has other interests and is splitting up the FF dev team. That does not bode well for FF. I don't begrudge the FF devs for taking the money. I would be...
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- Lindsay
Leo, I hope you mention FriendFeed in your Dubai TED talk ! :) I'll try to be there !
- Ahsan Ali
@ian - "Wordsmith. Public relations undergraduate at The University of Texas. Feminist Capitalist. WordPress geek. Future commercial rights attorney"...surely that kind of asinine comment is beneath you!
- Jan Simmonds
Facebook is unusable? That's what I'm reading here. Well, please explain how 300 million use it then. Including my wife, my son, me, and ALL of Maryam's elementary school friends from Iran.
I think some of the stuff I'm reading about Facebook is laughable. Really? I went over and used it tonight and the news feed is very similar to FriendFeed. The technology from here will fit right in.
- Robert Scoble
Actually, Robert's right. FriendFeed's basically a superior version of the Facebook news feed.
- Dennis Jernberg
I wish Friend Feed was keyboard navigatable though. Google Reader and GMail have spoiled me; making me think that web apps can be usable as well. I don't like using the mouse so much.
- Travis B. Hartwell
It's gotten a bit easier since they started copying Twitter/Friendfeed...but its the third-party silly stuff that puts me off. Serious stuff was always better here in Friendfeed.
- George Hall (Australia)
George: I ignore all that stuff, it never bothered me.
- Robert Scoble
When do do we get hear what the plan actually is? I have used the FF app in facebook from time to time. But the problem is facebook is clunky due to it's massive membership so I tend click back to here. Is FB really going to get faster? It be smart to have both running in tandem methinks no?
- BairdWilliamson
Facebook is like the social housing estate next door. There are some decent people living there, and there are some pockets of nobs who will steal the hubcaps off your car and throw them through your windows while trying to sell some dodgy dvd's on the street corners.
- Gilbert Harding
Almost everyone I know IRL uses Facebook, but increasingly grudgingly.
- Tinfoil 2.0
I know millions of people who use four remote controls to watch TV.
- Luca Sofri
It is not usable in the way that friendfeed is (I know there are problems)
- Paul Kinlan
I'll go with the train. If the train heads to Facebook I suppose thats where I need to go as well :) I'm absolute certain that FF staff will have a great impact on the user experience of FB. Trying to be positive I also think it's a great thing that FB still strive to evolve.
- Patrik Arwengrim
Facebook is ugly, looks like a corporate site and very slow and clunky, like a busy factory with adds at every corner
- Thierry Lhôte
Baird: software takes months. Paul is right. But Paul, you can just ignore a lot of the complexity there.
- Robert Scoble
hhahaha, sth. like that i thought this second too, Luca :)
- Ronald
Facebook is unusable to do the things that FriendFeed can do
- Anthony Feint
lol, the #1 excuse I hear for people migrating from FriendFeed to Facebook is the annoying applications on the home feed. You can edit those out of your view you know. Same for people you don't want to converse with (privacy settings).
- Hugh Isaacs II
@Robert - I find Facebook extremely useful... for playing Mafia and FarmTown style games. Engagement is just difficult there. I'm not sure if it's the UI, the crowd I have there, or what, but I just don't get into a comfortable conversational groove there on FB the way I do on Twitter or here.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
in fact, the four founders of Friendfeed recieved a trader bonus, for doing real-time search on Facebook, not changing Facebook to become Friendfeed
- Thierry Lhôte
Robert - you're confusing number of users with ease of use. Millions of people of all ages used to be happy with their cellphones, but it wasn't until the iPhone came along that those people saw how usable a phone *could* be.
- Andrew Terry
robert: I think it is hard to ignore the complexity, it took me ages to upload a phote once (or even find where to do it)
- Paul Kinlan
robert: and there is no discovery... I love ff for its friend of a friend features and best of the day.... oh and my discussions.
- Paul Kinlan
I think someone hit the nail on the head. The one thing really missing from the Facebook experience is the sort of engagement we have here at Friendfeed.
- George Hall (Australia)
robert: no sharing content is what im talking about. I actually don't personally know the people I follow on FriendFeed. many are influencers like yourself. This is where I get my news. On Facebook you have Friends not Followers
- Anthony Feint
anyway, the key way to tell something is not friendly to someone, it is listening to that someone. That someone says it's not. You can't go and tell him he's wrong in what he doesn't like.
- Luca Sofri
Anthony: that's changing and quickly. My Facebook looks exactly like FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Why are you using FF and Twitter and not FB then? Besides, they totally hid the applications so anything not out of the box is hard to get to. Advanced functionalities are hard to get to. It's the only site I can think of that I had to use the Help section to find stuff...
- Eran Kampf
from iPhone
also I do believe the UI on Facebook is terrible. It took me 5 attempts to try and create a page on Facebook and I still have to do a search for it when I want to view it
- Anthony Feint
Robert, its all the poking and quizzes and other jejune stuff on Facebook
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Of course Facebook is usable. The point is what do you want to use it for. It was the one place where I could have family and close friends in a CLOSED network. I don't want the world and his missus to see my birthday party - sorry. Friendfeed is a completely different thing. Use it as a lifestream - have all sorts of friends/ acquiaintances/ whatever on there. They are not one and the same and I don't see how they can be.
- sofiagk
@Aaman, block the quizzes from your home feed.
- Hugh Isaacs II
Aaman: I've been on Facebook for a long time and I just ignore that stuff. No harm to me.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook is cluttered. It's not a platform for sharing information and discussion. They're intended for two entirely separate purposes. That being said, I definitely am looking forward to what the FriendFeed team can do with Facebook. If real-time search is where they stop, it'll be hell.
- Adam Reyher
from Alert Thingy
On Facebook you choose your friends, just like here. Some differences, plus over there you have to decide whether you're going to be public or private up front.
- Robert Scoble
So why you were then one of the sincerest ambassadors for FF and NOT FB? But taste changes...
- Ronald
@Hugh what I was implying was that FF is open participation, so I am talking to you, I might not be following you but I am still talking to you; FB is open to 300 million users most of which I couldn't stop talking to me even if I wanted. Usage wise (from my perception) FB is closed to your personal groups, FF is discovery, the twain shall never mesh
- Paul Kinlan
Robert Scoble was more interesting when he actually had a defensible opinion, rather than just went along with whatever the industry seemed to be doing and worked to egg people on. We remember those times, don't we?
- Andy Bakun
I always laugh at people saying "what's the problem? Just do this, and it is ok". But the reason we use computers and software is we don't want to do this. We want to have things exactly the way we need them, not the way we need them if we just do this and this.
- Luca Sofri
Facebook is not designed to be a public tool - think back to its roots. It's more of a private thing. If I am forced to use it like Friendfeed then I am deleting at least 80% of my info
- sofiagk
@Paul, I think that's going to change with the FriendFeed acquisition. Facebook's aiming more for the public stuff instead of only focusing on close relationships now.
- Hugh Isaacs II
cool, I used the word twain (evern if it is wrong)
- Paul Kinlan
@sofiagk, Everything on Facebook is choice, I doubt they'll force you to be public, it'll probably be very tightly controlled.
- Hugh Isaacs II
@Hugh, I would love FB to change to be more like FF but I can't see it happening, I would love to get to see the real-time search (someone said they just released it).
- Paul Kinlan
sofiagk: I completely agree - Facebook was built for closed and private networks. Which is the complete opposite of FF. I don't want to setup complex privacy settings becasue I don't want my family to be inundated with php and coding articles.
- Anthony Feint
FB's great strength was for the private stuff. If I'm forced to choose between public and private, I'm going to stay private, because that's where my IRL friends are. Sorry, FFers.
- James Myatt
@Paul, I don't think Facebook plans to continue as just a closed network anymore, I think their goal is to cover all types of social interactions on the web so it's very likely they'll have FriendFeed like features.
- Hugh Isaacs II
We use each tool to our own purposes but that doesn't mean that each tool is not better suited to a type of use.
- sofiagk
@sofiagk, What's to say Facebook can't act as two tools instead of one?
- Hugh Isaacs II
@hugh, the had better change their API to support that type activity then.
- Paul Kinlan
Hugh, I'm sure it can, but it's going to be really awkward. Like using a Swiss army knife to put shelves together and then skin a rabbit.
- James Myatt
@Hugh Isaacs II well if they are planning to open up then half of the apps are more or less redundant I would guess. You spend all of your time becoming something and then strip down to become something else? What's the point? I'm sorry I just don't understand what is the point with competing with twitter. Facebook vs Twitter is just a silly question, how would you compare them? Using some ff feature to make the stream on facebook better - sure I get that.
- sofiagk
I think Facebook really need to sketch out what they're going to do with Friendfeed, and that might help people adapt to the idea better. At the moment, too much speculation and people really have no idea what to expect of this.
- George Hall (Australia)
I've never beeon a big user of FF. I still don't quite get it. I use FB to keep in touch with people I know. As far as I can see FF is more for discovering stuff and discussing it with people I don't. Or have I missed the point?
- Marc A. Price
@sofiagk, When you look at what Facebooks done so far, it seems like they just want all of the internets social interactions in one place. I mean it does sound silly but sticking to one thing is what killed off Friendster, Classmates, MySpace and so on.
- Hugh Isaacs II
Marc, I think that is exactly the point
- James Myatt
Being on FF is like publishing only things you want. With advanced privacy settings, you can just filter what to share on FB. BUT (a big but) I don't trust Facebook and I've seen it enabling stuff like alerts and configuration settings just because they had some error in their system. I don't share my private life on FF but I share family pictures, my personal details like my cell phone because I only allow people I know personally on FB.
- Burak "cyrus" Bayburtlu
My biggest problems with using Facebook like Friendfeed are lack of friend-of-friend content (if someone else likes / comments on something, I don't get that in my feed), barriers to engagement (subscribing to someone you don't really "know" on FF is fine; sending a friend request to someone you don't really "know" on FB is not cool), and the fact that stuff falls down the feed too quickly because likes / comments don't bump it to the top again.
- Tristan Seligmann
@hugh, they haven't changed their api at all, the status stream is a bit of a joke.
- Paul Kinlan
@Hugh Isaacs II if they want to get all of social interaction in one place they have grossly misunderstood the nature of social interaction generally. People do not have ONE identity which they use to interact with EVERYONE. Rather we have MULTIPLE. I don't talk to my boss the same way as I talk to my friend. That's why I need multiple tools. So if there is only one on offer I will not use it.
- sofiagk
@sofiagk, that's what the privacy settings are for. In real life you don't take on multiple personas (well at least I don't think you do) so why do it on the internet? And in real life certain conversations are private, kept from others. You shouldn't require separate identities for that.
- Hugh Isaacs II
And you can't expect them to know the perfect network for human interaction. The fact that they're trying gives me confidence though. It's like Googles goal to store all of the worlds information in one place, it won't happen but it definitely made some great products.
- Hugh Isaacs II
@Hugh Isaacs II do you really trust facebook with the complicated settings and permissions and groups. I don't. I will agree with what @Burak "cyrus" Bayburtlu said above. I get what you are saying about trying. But at the end of the day Google has multiple product offerings. Facebook doesn't (for now).
- sofiagk
Hugh, you do need separate places for that so that there's no risk of being overheard accidentally.
- James Myatt
@sofiagk, I don't honestly. I'm defending them based off of idealism not favoritism. And yea, handling all of that stuff will probably end up in a million mistakes but it's a product, that happens. Also what's to say Facebook can't have multiple products? (That could be apart of this whole FriendFeed thing)
- Hugh Isaacs II
@Hugh Isaacs II well - let's see what's gonna happen. Btw thanks for the lively chat a blog post is being drafted in my head as I type :-)
- sofiagk
I think it makes more sense to have multiple "spaces" (work / private / whatever) in the same tool than arbitrarily dividing those up across multiple tools.
- Tristan Seligmann
For example, most people would probably not create a Yahoo email account for emailing some people, and a GMail account for emailing others; they would just create two GMail accounts.
- Tristan Seligmann
@Tristan, It's funny alot of people on FriendFeed are talking about migrating to Google Wave because of the whole Facebook thing, and in reality that's what Wave is going to do.
- Hugh Isaacs II
All of the big companies whether open or not are aiming at owning your internet identity, they don't want separate identities because it doesn't define everything correctly. That's why Google has their profiles feature, why so many companies support OpenID, etc... It may not be something you're used to but over time it will just be one account per person, based on how social networking evolves.
- Hugh Isaacs II
I bet even FriendFeed had that idea (Hint: Google, Facebook and Twitter log in feature).
- Hugh Isaacs II
Carefully observe how someone communicates on phone call versus a face-to-face conversation. It's different—for one thing speaking in a louder volume on the phone. The medium influences the communication itself (but don't get me started on McLuhan ;) So multiple tools can help achieve a certain dynamic that would not have happened just by using another feature inside a single service/construct. That's certainly been my experience on FriendFeed.
- Micah
@Micah, Wouldn't Facebook count as multiple tools in itself. You can have a toolbox, that doesn't mean all of it's contents equal one tool.
- Hugh Isaacs II
Well, I guess this is more of a Swiss Army knife, but the analogy still applies.
- Hugh Isaacs II
Hugh, typically, the same culture/available resources produce stuff under a certain paradigm.
- Micah
@Micah, I doubt they'd just stuff all of your social interactions under one blanket.
- Hugh Isaacs II
They've already separated all of my friends by relation.
- Hugh Isaacs II
I mean, look at FriendFeed, I used the Facebook Connect feature to log in, but I don't interact on here as I would with my friends
- Hugh Isaacs II
Facebook is just really cluttered, and it's UI looses focus on so many fronts. Take the start page - i've missed events, birthdays and other stuff because its burried with a million things on one page. But that's where the people are. I
- Shawn Roos
Or you are SO wrong here. People pretend they are using it - then their wife asks - btw, honey, how did you create that fan page about me? And he says - WTF? :)
- Sasha Kovaliov
Apostol, lol :) The idea is that usability could have been much-much better! Right now it's a total mess and there is a lot of room for improvement. Yes, people use it everyday, but do they use all of it?
- Sasha Kovaliov
@Sasha, do you use all of FriendFeed? (Example: Last.Fm, Brightkite, desktop notifications, google talk integration, etc...)
- Hugh Isaacs II
Then why use people not using all of Facebook as an argument?
- Hugh Isaacs II
from iPod
FB is not unusable, but it is bloated. Tough to set things up the way that I want. Too many new toys/apps popping up almost in every second. I'm tired of hiding this, hiding that from the feeds
- ilterocktive
It's still pretty simple and pleasant to use provided you don't install any applications IMO :P.
- James Stephenson
James: what about not being able to stop some favorite friends from installing any applications? :)
- ilterocktive
ilter: Ummm ... I guess you could start selecting your friends based on their Facebook Applications :P? That would be a sad, sad day...
- James Stephenson
Maybe we need a seperate facebook application. Wait... are there ANY facebook desktop applications? AIR-free preferred (for now) :)
- ilterocktive
Hat tip to this discussion and to @Hugh Isaacs II - I explain my point on facents and identities better here http://www.digital-era.org/renditi... (I know this is a shameless plug - Robert fee free to delete, I just thought it is relevant)
- sofiagk
@sofiagk, I read your blog post and understand your argument but the same rule still stands. You only have one body. As with the friend list feature on Facebook you have social barriers that keep some people away from what others may see. I know it sounds foolish to push all of your social interactions under one service, but if that service can recreate the same personas you use in real life, the only argument against it would be ease of use, comfort and bugs.
- Hugh Isaacs II
@Hugh Isaacs II with you all the way if we can find some way to meaningfuly separate functions and feeds - to actually control what info we send to whom.
- sofiagk
@sofiagk, that's what I've been getting at this whole time. I mean I know Facebook in it's current state doesn't do a great job of controlling who sees what, but I'm sure they've been working on that. The FriendFeed acquisition is probably to cater to that.
- Hugh Isaacs II
Facebook has lots of usability issue. For example, they hid all the apps in that ridiculous bottom toolbar making them less accessible. It took me a while to find that my events are now there... If you want to do anything a bit more advanced than the basic functions then you'll probably lost without their help site (took me a while to figure out how to set permissions to different groups... ). Facebook should be way easier to use...
- Eran Kampf
@Eran, Windows does the same thing. Hides all of the apps in that ridiculous bottom toolbar. ^_^
- Hugh Isaacs II
If its so good and usable... why do you use FriendFeed\Twitter?
- Eran Kampf
@Eran, Facebook doesn't let me hold public conversations like the one we're currently having (which I think is bound to change).
- Hugh Isaacs II
It's not unusable... it's TOO usable. Too easily gamed by spam apps, too visible to employers who want to block it, too easy for advertisers to target your feed and use your stuff. And way, way too cluttered. It's like the boardwalk in Atlantic City... I avoid it if I can but every so often I make the mistake of going and find that it hasn't changed. Friendfeed on the other hand has none of the crap, while it does have a boatload of interesting, engaged people.
- Vicarbott
@Jim, you know you can actually filter out the applications from your view, even keep them from posting on your wall.
- Hugh Isaacs II
You are spot on, Robert. The proof is in the pudding.
- thinkQuick
Hugh... yes, I know. But while facebook is very easy to begin using it requires a fair amount of effort to set up all that stuff and get the look/feel you want. For all the talk I've heard about how Friendfeed is difficult to figure out, I've never had that problem here.
- Vicarbott
@Jim, yea but FriendFeed is a very young website. I'm not content just knowing that I can't filter out which of my friends can see what. If FriendFeed lasted longer it would've probably gotten more complex and you would've lost interest, or it would've stayed the same and you would've lost interest. Either way judging from your comment I think you would've moved on to something new at some point (this is Facebooks attempt at being relevant to you).
- Hugh Isaacs II
Hugh... I guess you missed the part of my comment that spoke about interesting, engaged people. I will not be losing interest in them anytime soon. In fact, I've been (and still am) on facebook longer than I've been here. I've never been that interested in facebook and still am not. It was just the opposite on FF. I was skeptical and used it very little at first but as the service (for...
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- Vicarbott
Slow... Bogged down with apps... And who wants to refresh a page or discussion manually? Although it does allow me to stay connected with people I would have otherwise lost touch with.
- JR
from iPhone
@Walt, Facebook + Realtime experts = Facebook in Realtime. It's an assumption but not one without merit.
- Hugh Isaacs II
Good to connect with friends of friends but do not like the stupid apps
- Randy Allen Bishop
people who barely know the net are ALL on facebook. you know what i would like? friend group settings. think about it. post photos to your personal group, your online friends or something else entirely. and WHO KNOWS - with the smart people working for the boogie men, it might happen too!
- Terry O'Fee
@Hugh yes I know it is coming... Just wanted to share my top three issues with #facebook and why I use it to help this wonderful R&D discussion... :)
- JR
from iPhone
I think Facebook is perfectly usable. I just can't use it for the same sort of things. Honestly, most people think Facebook is unusable because of all the applications that their friends use, and which those people are too lazy to block. There are some legit problems though, like the quiz applications which, literally, make new applications, so that they show up and you have to block...
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- Otto
Logging into Facebook means a 10-12 minute commitment just to catch up on a half-day's worth of communication. By contrast, I can get in and out of Twitter or Friendfeed in a minute or two if that's all I have. Facebook is just...heavy.
- Ed Moltzen
I know people that work at Facebook. They're good people. But I have serious doubts about their abilities to make an interface that doesn't totally suck. Face facts, Facebook's interface absolutely blows. It is very difficult to do anything that you actually need to do. A good friend of mine is a teacher, and she stopped using Facebook because she didn't want to reject her students on...
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- Otto
I think FB is/has reached a level of importance as SOFTWARE that there needs to be detailed guides/documentation/tutorials. Think about it, most of FB's functionality is simply put out there for people to discover. When you sign up you aren't introduced to a 1/4 of what is available or provided any kind of best practices guidance. Software we buy for our systems generally comes with some type of manual or instruction. Most webapps like FB do not, you have to go to the community or hunt through the interface
- Martin Johnson
It might come as a shock to the designers out there but usability is not the most important aspect of an application. Facebook's success in the face of its sucky usability proves that. People are on facebook, and other on-line social networks, because they want to interact with the other members, not because of usability.
- sjjh
Unnecessary to chew gum. But it's called billion dolar industry.
- Burçak Çubukçu
there are more stranger things that people do, not everything could be explained, asked a wrong question. like say if there aren't any ghosts why more than half the world believe, if there is any god or isn't why are people theist/atheist. why men cut their hair both head/facial when they are there for sexual and heat exchange purposes at first places, you asked it out of your sentiment for facebook and i wrote it because i don't like facebook ;)
- testbeta
I want to know when the FriendFeed Team will integrate this into the FriendFeed messaging
- Jesse Stay
To further explain, Facebook just completely opened up the possibility for developers to write their own wrappers around your Facebook inbox
- Jesse Stay
In essence, Facebook just gave us the same power developers have for DM on Twitter
- Jesse Stay
We've been acquired by Facebook! We are really excited about joining the Facebook team. (Note: FriendFeed will continue to operate - see the blog post for details)
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
"FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally for the time being. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product with the Facebook team." Those are NOT encouraging things to read as a FF user.
- S of 2C
Sniff... not sure if I'm excited about this. But I have enormous respect for the FriendFeed team... so, I assume they believe in the move as more than an exit strategy.
- Michael Leggett
Coolest web 2.0 site I've ever seen & used. I hope things don't derail. Ads will be coming soon, which is fine, but.... then what 's next? Please no quizzes!
- Ben Hanten
Who would have thought that after Facebook were shamelessly being "inspired" by FriendFeed, the inevitable would have happened?
- Tyson Key
Hey guys, keep in mind that Facebook is blocked in workplaces across the nation. 250 million casual users commenting about last night's party does not intelligent conversation make.
- Hector
yes you have just failed at failing, no it is not a double negative.
- Bahriye
I really can't see how FB would buy FF only to shut it down. There are way too many innovations and features FF has that FB honestly needs. I'm looking forward.
- Harry Wolff
Oh, this does not make me happy. Not at all! I've stayed off of Facebook intentionally and FriendFeed is my favorite social network. This is like when the Red Sox traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees. :>(
- Larry Hawes
i have stopped using FB for the most part and liked FF alot more. now FF will go the way of FB. screwed again.
- Joe The Sausage
Berge Gazen beat your score in Mafia Wars
- Berge Gazen
Enjoy your fat paychecks, guys. You've sold us out.
- Akiva
Bravo Bret! Been following your successes ever since we had the opportunity to work together on the YellowPages.ca / Google Maps Canada deal. Congrats!
- Sebastien
I wished it was Google or even Yahoo!, instead...
- Tyson Key
i really hope ff stays as it is. fb is kinder carder while ff is a great tool.
- jkkmobile
Not sure what to make of this. It could eiter be a big win or a huge fail.
- dorn
It could have been Microsoft, which would have been worse for everyone. :(
- Tyson Key
Can I take this opportunity to say I HATE facebook?
- Alex Scrivener
seems the only ppl happy here are the ones in the biz or who stand to profit from the merger.
- Joe The Sausage
I guess we should get ready to get poked by our supposed friends and have various shit thrown at us? Plus 5,000 requests by apps that nearly all suck.
- Joey Gibson
Painful. And apparently I completely misunderstood what FF was trying to accomplish both technically and as an organization. I guess Facebook must have dangled a pretty big bag of money in front of them.
- Ken Sheppardson
FriendFeed is Dead! Long Live FriendFeed! :/
- Tyson Key
I will reserve judgement, i don't like or use FB but if FF maintains it's current goodness i don't care who cuts the checks.
- SteVe C
I hope this doesn't turn into an APP filled hunk of crap. I love FriendFeed, it was the untouched gem of microblogging. I don't want Mafia Wars invited in my FriendFeed!!! Congrats on the sale though.
- Jay 'Farmington'
@Philipp: until the new masters start flexing their muscles and bringing in their own people to enforce their own vision.
- Joe The Sausage
I read the blog post and one statement stands out to me "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally for the time being." The time being. This is not just bad, I think it may be #FAIL
- berchman
Facebook obviously liked FriendFeed a long time ago. Why would they have copied so many features (feed item comments and the "Like" action, to name a couple) otherwise? It was only logical for this to happen eventually. Doesn't mean I like it, but acquisition is part of the game. I have the same feeling I did when SocialThing! was acquired by AOL, though.
- dgw
"Relationship Status: It's complicated" comes to mind. ;)
- Tyson Key
Wow, I finally sign up, and read this. This could end up being a very bad thing for FF fans: "Your FriendFeed friend just signed up on this poll, would you like to too?"
- Brian Bommarito
Does this mean that we'll be seeing an influx of webcam spammers, a la Twitter? Along with abolishment of the rooms feature, crappification of the search feature, and more "privacy features" that really just put more nails in the openness coffin?
- Tyson Key
Some people will do whatever their friends request........
- Michael Muller
I really don't see why people would be anything but excited about this Facebook freindfeed deal. Great news as far as I am concerned. The Friend feed team is going to go over facebook and make it that much easier to connect, share... isn't that what the social web is about?
- Kevin Murray
I know a lot of people who use Facebook and enjoy it and that's fair enough. It's just not my cup of tea. The chaps from Friendfeed will get rich and the technology will get absorbed in Facebook but I can't see Friendfeed continuing in anything like it's present form.
- Paul Nash
Don't be so negative, something good might eventually come of this...
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Congrats! I know you all must be crazy excited right now.
- Michele Lorito-Chase
chance for FriendFeed to become more mainstream... congrats FriendFeed team!
- Jeroen De Miranda
Nothing could make me happier than if they integrated the good tools from FriendFeed into Facebook, which is where all my friends are. So a big "yay!" from me.
- Ian Betteridge
happy for you guys, but not for all of us
- Flavio
congratulations. this is going to be interesting.
- Dave Beckett
I think I preferred the non-mainstream version of FriendFeed...
- Tyson Key
I'm turning on my black shirt, my black trouser, my black socks, my black shoes. Although I probably must be happy for you.
- Ton Zijp
NASTY NASTY BAD BAD. But we'll see...
- Daniel Morgan
I don't know, Like it? or dislike it?
- Ömer Balamir
What happens to all the content that we've created and imported here, and the associated metadata? Will all that disappear into the ether?
- Tyson Key
If the FriendFeed guys can make FaceBook useful and responsive again, this seems like a pretty positive step!
- Robin Barooah
I have big loss of data concerns. See http://ff.im/6pHjo Is there any way to archive all my FriendFeed posts, likes, comments, and pictures (friendfeed-media.com) off-line? Can some Archive.org-like snapshots of FriendFeed be made (Once a month starting Sept 2009)? I'd like to see the cross-links between my posts & other people's posts, even in 2020. -
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell: the FriendFeed site is not shutting down. Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users.
- Bret Taylor
I just overheard a coworker mention FriendFeed. This is how the world ends...
- CannonGod
Then provide us with a way to easily make a back-up of all of our posts and all of the posts we have Liked and Commented on.
- Akiva
Same question as Mitchel Tsai. How do I export my data? I don't want it to be handed off to Facebook.
- zio bonino
I don't see good things coming from this. Although I like Facebook, I liked Friendfeed more. Partly because of the environment and the smallness of it. That is now going to be ruined. So, 10-1 odds that Friendfeed will be no more within a year after it gets intergrated into Facebook?
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
I doubt it Robin. Bret can only give us assurances about the "near future." Here's what I think will happen. Just like Twitter acquired Rael Dornfest and his awesome web services, Stikkit and I Want Sandy vanished (and so did he), Facebook will acquire all the talent from Friendfeed, shut this service down and Facebook will continue to suck.
- Vicarbott
Same question as Mitchel Tsai. How do I export my data? I don't want anything to be handed off to Facebook. And I don't want to lose anything.
- zio bonino
Congrats obviously, but im not sure about the feeling,, different user groups which can not integrate but collide.. hope there wont be an huge integration in the future.
- Yunus Tunak
I'm happy for FriendFeed! But, at the same time a bit worried about the future. Hope you guys convince FB to not be evil too.
- Vishal Verma
I can't believe it! damn! facebook tos will apply to friendfeed too? should i start to move to another service? why anyone would think that facebook public is friendfeed public?! damn! friedfeed was my favorite! I can't understand this move! they want to kill friendfeed or what?
- paula simoes ☃
"I bet I can find 1.000.0000 people who dislike this deal."...Welcome to FriendBook.
- Jacque
Well, huge congraulations to you and your team, you deserve every success. To be honest I had presumed this would happen sooner or later - the only business model cool little startups have is to hope they get bought by someone bigger for their brains and technology. I'm going to be in San Francisco in a couple of weeks and was going to stop by your office to bring you a cake and thank you for a great product - maybe I still will if you're still there and there's still a FriendFeed!
- Alex Lomas
"Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users" There's a bit of a contradiction in your statement, Bret. Nice try though.
- JCunwired
Grats Bret and the rest of FF. To all the naysayers... Lets see what happens before we start bitching....
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Just great. I'm certainly not very happy about this. Let's just hope FB doesn't ruin FF. Ugh.
- axolote
Who cares? Nothing's gonna change in our pitiful lifes.
- bluretina
This ties in nicely with the fact that you soon will have the opportunity to make your Facebook profiles public and get followers there.
- Michael Netsch
I don't mean to be negative but there's got to be a win-win logic to each merger&acquisiton. Audience high in only quantity is clearly not a win for friendfeed in the long term by considering its unique selling points. Let's wait and see who will benefit from friendfeed's death now.
- ayca
Seriously, what is this? It's like Bret just announced that he's killed all your mothers or something. It could turn out good, it could turn out bad, but at the end of the day, who cares, it's just a website (I mean honestly, come on). I could see it going either way, but in the near term, this is a pretty big win for the FF team, so congrats guys.
- Chieze Okoye
To be honest, my heart sank a little but I am happy to congratulate you and the team for building such a good brand. Well done.
- Kevin J Hatton
Wow, I specifically use friendfeed b/c it is not facebook. Sounds great for the friendfeed team, but not necessarily for friendfeed users.
- Evan Parker
Born to be sold, like in the old "new economy" era. Remember the late nineties?
- Federico Bolsoman
Sudden desire to check out Strands again... but hey, kudos on the incoming $$ for FF team
- Leslie Poston
This is wisdom. Bracing for Google Wave is a good idea.............
- Kevin J Hatton
this is clearly a talent aquisition... why am i not excited about this? could it be because facebook has been blatantly stealing features from friendfeed shamelessly. Likes were clearly not an original facebook idea...realtime feeds is another i could go on...
- Tate
While I'm sad, because I suspect this means the best things about FF will disappear or I'll be forced to use FB in some way, if the buyout was for some awesome amount of money, I can't say I blame 'em for taking an offer -- I would.
- Andy Bakun
I came to FriendFeed because I don't like facebook. Now the question is, will facebook become more like friend feed? or will they just take friend feed and turn it into facebook?
- Tom Ray
FF could be a good R&D arm for facebook.
- Andy Bakun
Fucking morons. FriendFeed is doomed now. Think logically. Facebook has NO REASON to keep FriendFeed alive. It will simply take FF's best features, suck the life of out of it, then trash FF. Way to go, FirnedFeed, damn.
- Jeremy Buff
This announcement should have been held off until the plans for Friendfeed were known. Regardless, this is *bad* for FF users. Best case: it continues on, but with stagnated feature development. Worst case: it's gone.
- tollie williams
I don't want my FF feed on Facebook :( I use both, but maintain both profiles separate
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
Sigh... Happy for the team if this is what they want, but baffled by the move. The users that are going to leave because of this will make FF a graveyard and the users it gains, well... Hello spam? Sorry, but I don't like it.
- Vince DeGeorge
from iPhone
Dang, and just as I was starting to get used to how FF works. FF is useful on it's own. I hope this only improves FF's system, rather than having it disappear into Facebook's wake.
- Don Faulkner
My big question to everybody here is this: What are the potential downsides / upsides to this acquisition? I mean on paper I just don't see what the pros OR cons are. I don't care for Facebook but I don't see how them acquiring FF is going to change everything.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
furthermore they are 2 different things: I follow a lot of people here that are not in my facebook list, which is for IRL friends!
- Flavio
I don't know where to go next either. I had just settled down to make imaginary friends for all my non-FF tweeps, etc. now, I'm not sure if I should bother.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
I hope friendfeed continues to operate normally but it does not look good.
- Ashish
integrate best features of ff to fb, then try to innovate in fb if possible, then kill ff... that's it, cheers, all the best. grrrr...
- Kemal Y.
niczak has good points. FF & FB aren't exactly competitors, but they aren't orthogonal either. Let's hope FB's smart enough to see the difference and improve both platforms.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Nicholas: The upside for Facebook is they just bought an engineering team that's built many of the feature's Facebook's going to need to stay competitive. The upside for FriendFeed's engineering team is $$$ and the ability to build system for a wider audience. FriendFeed's user base is small enough that it'll either get absorbed into Facebook or move on, and FF will become a footnote on the Internet timeline.
- Ken Sheppardson
first tr.im (heard about it yesterday), now this. I wasn't a heavy tr.im user (yet), but sad to see it go, even if I think url shortening is silly.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
As FB said they're interested in the people and not in the site, what if the community will keep running FF without its current staff?
- Flavio
I'll have to go with Flavio's position too. Given this news (plus tr.im and who knows who's next), I'd tend to favor community supported or federated services for things like this in the future.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
I am purposely not on facebook because I don't really want to talk to people I have not talked to in 20 years.
- Andy Bakun
trouble is (from my perspective), that the philosophies of the two platforms are at odds. FB wants to bring people to the site and keep them there, while FF is a hub, bringing people in and then sending them back out. (That's part of why it's hard for the newcomer to understand, IMHO.)
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Quote «Taylor and Cox say that the Friendfeed product will live on independently, and eventually Friendfeed will be merged into Facebook. But the Friendfeed team is not being kept whole. Some employees will now report to Cox, others to engineering head Mike Schroepfer. In my opinion that means, long term, the Friendfeed product itself is unlikely to be a big priority.¶ But Facebook is...
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- Philipp Lenssen
+1 Kol for the techcrunch article!
- Don Faulkner
from IM
techcrunch: "Cox agreed, noting that Facebook is focused on being a platform and a service, and not just a destination site." I certainly hope so!
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Brilliant move by both Facebook and friendfeed. Congratulations!!! I have theories of what they have planned, but I doubt you would verify any of them. This is going to go so well with their SocialTV which they have been developing. I'm so happy for you!
- Michael Fidler
I don't see what's so bad about it since no one knows right now what the outcome will be, everyone is just making assumptions that could possibly be wrong..... Might help just sitting back and seeing what happens first before complaining.
- ChaCha Fance
Nooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrghh! I´ve resisted getting a facebook acct for so long...
- ɯɥøq sɐɯoɥʇ
I wonder how the discussion over on facebook would compare to this?
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Congrats, FF! I'm approaching the situation with cautious optimism. A lot of my friends only share stuff via the Facebook wall/feed, so if Facebook is able to make their feed more like the FF feed (i.e. good, instead of sucktacular) through this acquisition, it's mostly a win for me in the end.
- Brian Chang
/me pokes Rutger. (just getting in practice. ;)
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Where will we go for the FFunderCats, bacon memes, and angry artists fighting over photo reshares now? ;)
- Tyson Key
If anybody has doubts as to what happens to the FriendFeed community or our stored information here, read this statement from Bret (in this thread) "Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users". Now maybe you can see "whats so bad about it" and curb your optimism. Not good.
- JCunwired
@josh: do you think FB will throw away all the crap people use? various quiz, pick 5 and so on?
- Flavio
@jc: our data will not go away in the near future. what will be in few months? in a year?
- Flavio
Let's see if you can do a bit better than just not being evil this time around.
- Tim Tyler
Wooohooo!!, seems like we are being sent back to "good" old Facebook. Congrats Bret!!
- DanDan
Looks like I'm going to repeat the same thing many others did. My first reaction was "Oh my..." I have refused to join Facebook due to its philosophy while I have been with FriendFeed from the beginning for its. I'm sad and somewhat apprehensive.
- Sean Leather
Please say that facebook.com will be shutting down, and the combined company will still be called FriendFeed... I bet it won't happen, though.
- Tyson Key
"Regarding FB/FF - Here's how it's [probably] going to work. You will most likely have an account merge, all of the services FriendFeed supports will now be aggregated on Facebook, and all of your FriendFeed friends will be in a "list" on Facebook. The FF Groups will become Facebook Groups. The FF lists will become Facebook Lists." http://ff.im/6pNxq
- Ozgur Uckan
Nothing like an early retirement payout :)
- Owen Greaves
Congratulations Bret. For me this merger makes a lot of sense. Facebook will provide the "quantity" of users, which friendfeed deserves :).
- Karthick R
FriendFeed + Facebook... Oh noes FriendFace is coming (http://www.youtube.com/watch...)! Now sorry for that link, and seriously, thanks for your work, guys. Please don't let the spirit of FriendFeed to be blown away =)
- Anton
hey, that is great guys! interested to see how you integrate.
- Brian Walsh
Mind blown. Never expected this. I'm also disappointed, yet optimistic at the same time.
- Angus Burton
Kinda curious to see how this will all pan out...although i wouldnt want the friendfeed stuff just integrated into facebook. I feel like im among a group of people who i genuinely share interests with here...dont want to lost that.
- Cass
Best case: Facebook will continue to support and develop FriendFeed. Worst case: this is great news for Amplifeeder.
- David Gaw
Well done, well deserved, I hope FB's means and infrastructures empower your guys to even better things. But if quizzes appear in "my" friendfeed, evil things will haunt you and your descendents for 3 generations.
- Iphigenie
♪ ♪ This is the end.... beautiful friends ♪ ♪
- All for design
Well, I don't see the point of sticking around here if I have accounts in both and this is going to get swallowed whole into Facebook anyways. Put simply, goodbye.
- Micah Collard
The social community that has been behind FriendFeed creators have built a wonderful product. Only problem is, we don't have Zuck's checkbook :(
- JCunwired
friendfeed is a beautiful product, only god knows what facebrook will do to it. Hopefully the ability to upload files (such as mp3s) will not be removed. Zuck is a tool.
- Nibi
Congratulations. I'm sorry to say that I don't plan to move with you.
- Lars Juhl Jensen
Facebook is lucky to have such a talented group of people ... Congratulations FriendFeed!
- Rob Kurrus
doesn't look like a bad joke, better be for the good then, but... Well congrats anyway guys, you did something AWESOME now let's see where Mark takes it
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
That's too bad. Liked the openness if FriendFeed, and the lack crap that is on Facebook. Once FriendFeed dies, it will be Twitter only.
- Mike D.
Congrats, but concerned that FriendFeed and its tools may disappear. Merging the tools with Facebook seems impossible.
- Mike Reynolds
So, what does the acquisition of FriendFeed by Facebook mean to us, users of both websites: Can I make a friend request from FriendFeed, and be approved for both, on one click
- Reyna Carlos
Exciting news guys. I am actually looking forward to your collaboration with / work for FB. No matter what people may or may not like about FB, it does succeed in reaching a more "diverse" audience compared to most other Web 2.0/social web companies. Paired with your team's excellence in realizing features that succeed in pleasing the geekiest of Web 2.0 affine individuals, I think you are steering towards exciting waters :)
- Mustafa K. Isik
*heart sinks* actually a bit of shock - I think that Facebook will leave Friendfeed as-is but I don't think there is hope for future innovation in Friendfeed since their best superstar team members will be pulled onto 'more important' Facebook issues...
- Pon
:-) + :-( very happy for the team, huge achievement, hoping to see export of innovation but not a shut down of this unique community and location
- Majento
Congratulations, and best wishes for your future together! :-)
- Ruchira S. Datta
Wow, I was beginning to use Friendfeed as my defacto social site...Facebook is more for real life friends. They'll just take what makes Friendfeed great, add it to Facebook and slowly kill this site.
- Manuel Mas
What is the big deal? I think it'll make FF bigger and better. You should be happy about that!
- orionstarr
I am disappointed. I don't want to have to go to Facebook to do what i do here. I can not imagine they will port over all the features we enjoy here. We lose a lot for only a slight benefit to Facebook.
- Robert
It could be worse, myspace could've bought them lol...
- orionstarr
Awful news for users but congratulations to you guys. Ideally, FB will run FF as a distinct service but I'm not hopeful. I don't want the diversity and noise that facebook brings - people doing quizzes on which movie star they resemble and playing silly games. I also wanted to keep my day to day social activity distinct from the targeted information and discussion I use FF for.
- Rajit
Only just started taking a serious look at FF after hearing acquisition by FB. Sounds like I'm laggard rather than a leader in use of web 2.0
- ManojRanaweera
I think how Pon said it is what I'm feeling: *heart sinks*.
- Andy Bakun
Congratulations, i am really happy for you guys!! :)
- Mona Nomura
I'm not a Facebook fan, but can't begrudge the FF gang their chance to reap the rewards for all their hard work. However, it would be a shame if FB ruins the good thing we all have going here.
- Ken Morley
Congrats to the FF team... I hope the service doesn't disappear into a fold of light and heat.
- Brandon
if all the things that make FF great are brought to FB then I'll be happy to use it
- Mike Chelen
The community won't be there. Been on FB longer than any other, don't have nearly the relationship or sense of community there that I do here or on Twitter.
- Karoli
Karoli: that is due to the effectiveness of the FF platform and interface, which help to join conversations and find interesting people more so than FB does
- Mike Chelen
Mike: I suspect that FB wants FF for the search possibilities, not the community-building aspects. But we'll see.
- Karoli
i guess congrats are in order, but I'm going to now go and remove everything I have that feeds into FF, and I have to ask -- do I have any rights over my archive? I have a private feed, and I have no interest in offering up my lifestream to the FaceBook data-miners. I hope the FF folks get what they hope for out of the deal, but my FriendFeed experience has been effectively killed.
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I just learned about the FF acquisition by Facebook - WOW~! Congratulations Bret, Paul and FF team!! holy cow ........Mooooooooo! Where's the FF Acquisition Party? :)
- Susan Beebe
RT @alirizaesin FriendFeed, R.I.P. Home tweet home!..
- Ozgur Uckan
Congrats to facebook. Now, Twitter is the best.
- miocaro
Congratulations to the FriendFeed guys on the Facebook Acquisition. Not a big fan of Facebook, so I hope my favorite Uber Aggregator, Realtime Social, Microblogging site of awesomeness is not entirely absorbed into the Facebook infrastructure. I wait with baited breath to hear what "normally for the time being" means ;).
- Tom Horn
Can I now have comments propagate in both directions as far as Facebook/Friendfeed is concerned?
- Piaw Na
*checks date*. Damn .. not April 1st, must be for real. While I'm happy for the FF team, since I guess this is what they wanted (congrats guys!), I can't help but think this is the beginning of the end for a great service and a vibrant community. There are reasons I don't spend any time on Facebook and do spend lots of time on FF, and some kind of "FF integrated into Facebook" just won't cut it. I hope this service will live on for at least a few more years.
- Andrew Perry
Gratz to the FF team but as a user I'm not completely happy. In short, I like the FF team/product much more than I like the FB team/product. Best of luck to all.
- timepilot
Dang! I've killed another site! Sorry guys... FF was doing fine until I started coming here again! Same with Pownce! Went there and liked it... went underground for a spell... came back and still liked it, so I stayed. A few months later... BOOM! I have the touch! (I'm thinking I'll start devoting a lot of time to Twitter... maybe I can kill that one, too!)
- Mark J
Bret, congrats on the acquisition. You guys put in a lot of hard work to create this community. I just hope you learned the mistakes Pownce made, Jaiku etc, and ensured that you didn't sell out your community, but that you helped it evolve into something as great as this into something better. Good luck in future endeavors!
- Mike Lewis
Yay for you guys, I mean that seriously, I 'like' what this means for you personally, but -1000000 cool points for doing it with FB. Sad day.
- Threepwood
Karoli: FF search is so useful because it is integrated with all the other great features that help to find relevant content. if FB wants to have a similar capability, they must also develop the underlying architecture.
- Mike Chelen
from IM
shakeel, the reasons for friendfeed to join facebook are probably about other things besides money, since many of the FF staff left high-paying jobs to join in the first place
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Congrats, team! It's bittersweet, though.
- Anne Bouey
So now we will have FriendFeed blocked at work too. Darn.
- Mark Scrimshire
"Your data will not go away any time in the near term future" is not exactly inspiring for the long term for those of us who came here to escape Facebook for a) it's walled garden and b) privacy concerns. Nice for the Founders to make a pile of cash but for the many of us, it feels like we got sold down the river. Sad.
- Sally Church
cacarr: updates for FB have progressed rapidly in the past, count how many months since new features such as api calls and site redesigns have have been implemented
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Congratulation to the FF team! You guys deserves this. I just hope that Facebook does not change the directions of FF.
- Vinko
I hope this means better integration: liking here will auto-like on fb and such :D if that's the case, I won't mind the ads *wink* *wink*
- Friendfeed's Francisco
Franc, cant stand facebook ads in their current format, hope they will be fixed eventually :P
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Grats, dont spend it all in one place.....
- Robert Higgins
congrads. I think it will be good for BOTH companies.
- Logan Lindquist
Congratulations to all the FriendFeed team. I hope you'll be able to keep the FriendFeed spirit up at Facebook. Kudos for all the great work you've been doing.
- Paul Papadimitriou
I use FriendFeed and Facebook so it would be awesome to see FF features in Facebook. Congratulations!
- krzychukula
from IM
judging by the nearly 600 comments as i type this, including my own earlier one, FF could use a Don't Like button as well. or would, if we were going to be using it much longer.
- kelly
Nice, i like to wish you all the best for your new job (and it's really hard, i know). I'm happy, but... don't let die FF!!
- ''Ignobile''
Hope FriendFeed remains open. Love the spirit of FF
- Bernaldo Barrena
Seriously, what a coincidence! Just on Saturday I claimed to be both twitter- and facebook-free. I loved FF product and personally helped to bring at least a dozen of my friends into the community. I'll stick around for a while though.
- ✔ ǝuǝƃnǝ
This deal makes sense, now fb developers do not need to figure out how ff does it because they can just ask! Congrats facebook and ff!
- Garin Kilpatrick
I suppose Facebook had to do it, with Twitter and Google Wave as competitor...
- Alexander Kruel
I am noticing a lot of people going to re-esumate their lifestream.fm account now!
- Flavio
I don't think FB acquiring FF is bad. But I don't think it's good either. We'll see. :-) In the meantime, keep up the good work!
- Alexander Gieg
How long until ex-FriendFeed employees start jumping ship from Facebook? I wonder...
- Tyson Key
Thomas Power still believes that Facebook/FF/Linkedin (2010) will be acquired by Apple (2011) and this is a transitional acquisition in the SN market cycle. The world is shifting to Mac, iTunes, iPhones and FB own the next generation. Apple have $29bn of cash on deposit price is not an issue. Google must jump for twitter while MS fiddle in the sticks with Yahoo. BillG will be back at the MS helm 2012.
- Penny Power
:( Happy for FF people, sad for the service. Was going to move from fb to ff this week..
- Martynas
Flavio: never heard of lifestream.fm before, but I'm going to go check it out. I'll reiterate, though, that I'm now shy of any service like this, since it can disappear just as it's getting good. I heard about sweetcron.com last night (via http://ff.im/6pR2w). Maybe it's time to move from centralized to distributed again.
- Don Faulkner
Just finished setting up my lifestream.fm at http://lifestream.fm/dfaulkner. Lifestream does what it says, and no more. FF's search blows lifestream away. FF is more flexible about adding source feeds, but lifestream does fine without the flexibility I suppose. FF still wins, or would, if I thought it would be sticking around. :P
- Don Faulkner
I also hate facebook, not because of their silly quizzes and pokes, but because I suspect they would like to maintain massive user base as the determining factor in choosing a social network. I would love to switch to orkut as I use so many other google services, but I can't because nobody else does. That should not be my criteria.... I thought friendfeed would try to make social networks work together.
- Ru Viljoen
I don't understand why everyone is so negative about the situation?
- orionstarr
@orionstarr - it's like Starbucks buying your neighborhood coffee shop and saying it still cares about the customers. You know it's just not going to be the same as what you've come to love.
- Robin Barooah
Presumably FF will go on the back burner - and the team will try and "fix" Facebook.
- Tim Tyler
I've watched Facebook morph from a relatively organised and well implemented social networking tool into the hulking mess it is now - and I really, really hope that a similar thing doesn't happen here with the inevitable changes this will bring about.
- Leslie Moore
Come on guys, out with the long-term game plan, this is tedious.
- Andrew Eglinton
Teach Facebook how to be FriendFeed. Let the small but fast teach the big but slow. Don't forget what Paul says - don’t be evil.
- whatidiscover
Friendfeed is not as huge as Facebook but you're doing such terrible work on it. Friendfeed is facing so many many problems these days though facebook doesn't seem to have one. Why?
- Sing For Absolution
I think the cost for archiving everything is huge. But a backup service for all your Social Media Stuff, like an application that downloads all data with help of the APIs and save it to an external harddrive would make total sense. Maybe Timemaschine on a Mac could do that haha.
- Max Schulze
from fftogo
Max: at least 75% of the value in social media is the searchability and connectability. As I learned when I couldn't get to my Flickr photos the other day because my Pro account had lapsed.
- Robert Scoble
If twitter have all this shortcomings, why do you think developer flock to them?
- Fajar Nurdiansyah
It is naive to think that we will be able to archive our lives online, especially when it's free.
- Mitch
We have had some pleasant experiences with Twitter. They have been helpful.
- K N Ajit Narayan
we need a mashup where comments "like'd" enough times are thrown into persistant storage for the benefit of humanity
- erik yuzwa
You are 100% right. That's why I said Twitter Search is very, very broken a few months back, and that was just scraping the surface.
- Louis Gray
I don't think it is just a platform issue, the whole debacle about the recent DDOS and their blanket ban on all semi high-traffic 3rd party sites (such as my own - twollo, I have been issuing refunds all weekend).
- Paul Kinlan
Perhaps Twitter should be regulated as a utility. I'd prefer an alternative that gives me control, perhaps an Push Button Web alternative, open source and federated.
- Dominic Jones
Nicely summed up. I "solved" the history of tweets with Twitter Tools plugin for blog which pulls out weekly summaries of what I tweet (I intentionally left out the @replies). The archive is being build on my blog (http://twistedfirestarter.cz/categor...) and it's banned from showing on the home page of the blog, because I don't do much posting :). Picking the winners got...
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- Dušan Šimonovič
Twitter want to be the communications platform for the 21 century, even now they are like the postal service, when they go down I can't do business, I can't communicate with my customers.... A lot of people on the development list were saying "Don't build your business on Twitter", but that is what Twitter want you to do, they want to get you to the point where you are so reliant on Twitter that you have no alternative.
- Paul Kinlan
I'm going to frame Louis' comment. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Fajar: developers liked Twitter for a couple of reasons. 1. All their friends were on it and still are. I watch early adopter behavior (even to the point of unfollowing and refollowing to clean up my list) and the developers are still pretty active on Twitter and so are their friends. Unless everyone leaves together that won't change. 2. The growth on Twitter has been STUNNING. So there...
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- Robert Scoble
It feels like the more that we base our online lives on someone elses server the more we will ultimately lose in time. Facebook is a huge black hole which sucks in so much of our lives, and if it disappears next year -- what then? We've lost 5 years of our lives. Photos, conversations, etc. Not like there's solution in sight either.
- Kevin Francis
Kevin: Thats why the DISo projects are important - shame it is so hard to get adoption
- Paul Kinlan
Robert: to be fair it was his only comment on this entry :) just thought I would re-enforce the point :)
- Paul Kinlan
Robert: Your best post in a long time.
- Jim Connolly
Jim: it's my only post in a long time! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: That's what I meant we need a searchable and connectable backup solution that pulls our data for offline use, like google gears but with access to my raw data. Imagine you could still access everything even if the service is down, you would kind of have an archive of everything you ever did or posted. Your Maschine or a Service just needs to pull it once and then update everytime you post something.
- Max Schulze
It's not so much the platform but what the guys behind the service are trying to do with it. That said, I'm still pissed off that their filtering me from search is still unresolved after a month and a half. If only Seesmic Desktop had FF and Blellow support... if it did, I'd be an ex-Twitter user.
- Chris Charabaruk
Chris, I have not been in search for about 2 months (@PaulKinlan)
- Paul Kinlan
Twitter needs to be redesigned from the ground up, from scratch, from square one. All the arguments you bring up are spot on, but the issue isn't necessarily the platform itself. It's that the original purpose of Twitter does not in any way, shape, or form cater to what Twitter has become, and the developers have effectively been having a blank stare, completely clueless as to what to do about it.
- Adam Reyher
from Alert Thingy
I agree Adam but we don't need to worry because we all have FF
- Thomas Power
Robert, I think I've mentioned heaps of times the search problem where you can't access stuff past a few weeks. You can't really expect Twitter to be called the next big thing in search while it's that limited.
- George Hall (Australia)
There's also an ongoing discussion I have with a friend majoring in old languages. Ancient records were great because the materials stood the test of time. Digital information, though, is dependent on electricity and still being able to read a storage medium. If everything were online, and an electro-magnetic pulse hit...bye-bye all human knowledge at once...extreme scenario I admit, but very possible.
- George Hall (Australia)
Similar thing happened with syncplicity: a great synchronizing tool, been using it for about 1 year. They just stopped Mac client beta: "Unfortunately what we found is that the fixes entail almost a rewrite in many cases — a process that would take many months to a year." http://blog.syncplicity.com/2009...
- Lucian Nicolescu
Kudos on this article Robert. Glad somebody with your following wrote this piece, else it might have been missed. As somebody who has invested resources in exploring Twitter based products, I couldn't agree more.
- Abhimanyu Chirimar
Nambu is a Social Messaging Trainwreck and the only way they can come-up with to make money from Twitter is a tr.im extortion play
- paul mooney
And Twitter's down again! :( Seriously folks, what are we waiting for to implement an open, federated statstream protocol that's not dependent on one company?
- Grey Drane
Yeah, I've heard of it before, but never really checked it out. I'm not quite that much of a techie, but I'll give it another shot. ;)
- Grey Drane
from IM
Identi.ca, Grey. It's an open, federated twitter-API compatible service. Based on laconi.ca, which is free software, so you can set up your own server today.
- Ken Kennedy
OK, but isn't it still sort of dependent on level of adoption? If too few are using identi.ca [http://identi.ca] or a specific laconi.ca [http://laconi.ca] installation, is it worth it? Or what am I missing?
- Grey Drane
from IM
Or is it (will it be) like Google Wave (as I understood it from the presentation video) where different implementations of the protocol work together more or less seemlessly as one big distributed platform?
- Grey Drane
I have said before that twitters days are numbered. Then with all the media attention that I was thinking of back tracking on my comment. Now with the buy out of FF and the many faults of twitter that I would be shocked if twitter survived the social networking race. I really had hoped and ultimate SN app would come out of all this. Twitter is to basic and FaceBook to complicated (also...
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- Captain Jack
I think this is much more realistic of the Twitter trend. Is there one for Facebook?
- Vinko
Great data. I think this is the biggest social networking site that hasn't been driven by teen usage first. I know my teenagers don't use Twitter. "Why do I need it when I have Facebook?"
- Leigh Marriner
I don't know... I am having Friendfeed problems too
- Kimberle Kelly
I hate to say it but it doesn't seem likely that Twitter is the only target being DDoS'd. Facebook and LinkedIn have both been having problems with certain services since around the same time.
- Michael Owens
from iPhone
Yep. Seems Twitter's recovering: I've been able to log into it twice in the last minute. Haven't been able to post yet, though.
- Jordi Soler
Kimberle: FriendFeed is working here fine.
- Robert Scoble
facebook is slow too - hows friendfeed then?
- michelle harris
guys, I am hearing from sources on IRC on DALnet that Friendfeed is also being attacked
- Mark
FriendFeed stopped loading quite a few times this morning. And a few of my comments failed to post too. ... like I just had to try twice to post this.
- Daniel Sims
i've been getting lotsa latency on FF all a.m.
- Thom Kennon
What does this mean? Are all sites susceptible to attack like this? (i'm not a geek enough to know)
- Helene
This was a test to see if we would run to FF - and we did :-)
- courtney benson
It looks like most of the prime players in social media aside from FriendFeed have been having problems all morning. Damn antisocial script kiddies!
- Michael Owens
from iPhone
facebook can't open... also i've problems with ff... i couldn't post my comments
- Zeynep Okyay
wonder if this is the mullahs in Iran, hunting for green faces everywhere...
- Thom Kennon
Note: I am getting 57% packet loss on Friendfeed right now
- Mark
Severe packet loss still coming from twitter.com, many API calls are being rejected.
- Mark
As long as i can see these comments and see there is a problem with Twitter and other social media, I am fine. Hope everything gets back to normal soon.
- Ashish
I've put in an API call to get Scoble's list of followers about ten times now and every one has failed
- Mark
loved the comment someone made about CNN it will take them two days to report the Twitter outage
- courtney benson
CNN are reporting on (almost gushing about) the DoS. think maybe they're still pissed about #cnnfail ?
- Jay Shapiro
from BuddyFeed
Well what do you know CNN made it in two hours. Guess one of their 7 reporters got the news from the Internet. :-)
- courtney benson
nothing on 4chan about the attacks in the random page from what I can see
- Mark
here's something weird - i tried posting to FB update with link to a thread here and it fails, 3 x now - "network" error.
- Thom Kennon
Ok Mark. Your API call is the DoS attack then... ;)
- Tomi Itkonen
somebody call the sports writers over at ESPN to let them know too... they had their "social networks" turned off yesterday. now we know they feel.
- Thom Kennon
hehe. It was about a year ago that twitter was really bad, do you remember?
- Mark
Yeah. Twitter has actually been pretty stable recently.
- Tomi Itkonen
Reposts from Twitter are staring to appear here on FF. Maybe the worst is over?
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Google search for "denial of service" has results about this current Twitter issue. GoogleBots are pretty snappy nowadays.
- Tomi Itkonen
I hope people are checking DNS servers. Often when multiple major independent services are DoS down it's via a DNS attack
- Keith Barrett
from Android
Mark Twitter was almost constantly down in 2007 and 2008 and always showed off a famous graphic of a whale. Now known as "fail whale."
- Robert Scoble
Members of 4chan's /b/ are indeed claiming that they exploited Twitter to cause the outage: http://ff.im/6fMrU -- whether they really did it or not is an entirely different story. /b/tards occasionally take credit for things that they do not do related to hacking / DDoS / etc
- Michael Owens
I first found i couldn't tweet around 3 hours ago. Wondered what was up--now I know~!
- Patricia Skinner
I get terrified of going to /b. never know if you are going to see naked images of 16 year old polish boys or photoshopped images of Sarah Palin having a shit.
- Mark
Nah, probably some1 did it 4 the heck of it or 4 a challenge! sigh :(
- polou/indigo_bow
@Apostol cannot be just by @RobertScoble by himself unfollowed 106,000 people on Twitter there r more reasons 2 DDoS. There r hobbyists that wants 2 challenge themselves or professionals doing those kinds of attacks 4 the reasons we might not even known until much later.
- polou/indigo_bow
Twitter back up on my grid, funny but zero trending topics in the right rail. Am using #dos as hashtag but not much found there, yet.
- Thom Kennon
Twitter was back about 2 hours ago but again it isn't working.
- Zeynep Okyay
We're wondering how long it will take for someone to try to blame 4chan for this.
- 3Cinteractive®, L.L.C.
from twhirl
We can survive future DDOS attacks by adopting an alternate, robust networking solution for tweets: http://crankypm.com/2009...
- DGentry
I don't think its about just Twitter its about the Web's vulnerability and Google finally jump on the bandwagon to assist 2 investigate this DDoS attack. I start 2 notice that some websites all over r slowing down or degrading in some form today.
- polou/indigo_bow
I had a feeling it would happen sometime. DoS attacks are not all that uncommon.
- Nile Flores
What I don't get is that some people are getting tweets out... and I can't get anything...
- Robert Freeze
Robert apparently the site is "up" but the api is still shaky. Some apps are getting through while other's are still down. It probably has to do with network topography and where different apps backend servers are located.
- Ron Hudson
I was able to post through friendfeed, and through twitter.com, but SocialScope is timing out :(
- Ron Hudson
my friendfeed entries are having trouble posting on Twitter - is the problem twitter ?
- Mekkar
I used Google and it was down for a couple of minutes I was going to tweet about it and that was down too I wonder if someone was doing a demo of a zombie network..maybe it was a sales pitch?
- BairdWilliamson
open microblogging standards have a chance to distribute the functions over multiple heterogeneous networks
- Mike Chelen
This morning, I noticed that FriendFeed 'lost' pictures I've posted from a Facebook page (but not the whole entry)
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Disqus lost 1 of my comments about this DOS attack, on my own Tumblr. But I saw it.. twitted!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Correct but lots of services initially allowed invitations to be sent through Twitter DM. Utterli and Kwippy come to mind. This was a user option to help people to connect with their friends on Twitter.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Holden, about 6 months+ ago, yes. We decided they got out of hand and took a stand.
- Jesse Stay
Mark, not sure what that has to do with auto-dm
- Jesse Stay
Personally, I think I should be able to opt-out of those as well. CAN-SPAM act forces e-mails to allow an opt-out. Services that do automated DM on behalf of users should also offer an opt-out if I don't want to receive their DMs any more.
- Jesse Stay
Probably nothing but when I commented it was probably around 3:00 AM... I'm sure at the time, in my own mind, I had a point. :-)
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Right, there was a time when you offered the ability to use SocialToo as a an autoresponder. But you also offered the ability to opt-out... which was how I was introduced to your sevice.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
We've nothing much to go on outside of a few good renders and a smattering of machine translated paragraphs, but it sure sounds as if China Mobile is entertaining the idea of bringing a 7-inch Android-based tablet to its airwaves. As the story goes, said slate would boast China's homegrown TD-SCDMA 3G connectivity, support for video calling, a full-fledged web browser and an OPhone operating system -- which is essentially a customized version of Android for the Chinese market. Sadly, no further information was given, leaving us to wonder what kind of innards are scheduled for implant and what kind of price tag / release date we're looking at. Oh, and those "call" and "end call" buttons are pretty darn evident, leading us to believe that China Mobile might actually expect you to use this as your primary mobile. Can you say... Sidetalkin'? [Via Pocketables] Continue reading China Mobile's 7-inch Android slate gets rendered Filed under: Handhelds, Tablet PCs China Mobile's 7-inch Android...
- Bwana ☠
This is actually more than unfounded rumors. I had spoken to people I know in mainland (Shanghai) who had touched prototypes Android slates. Although, these sources did not say it was destined for China Mobile at the time.
- Vinko