I'm thinkin' if FF goes away ... A flight to the coast ... and a (friendly) knock on Paul and April's door ... ??!! I have no probs with Facebook, but you guys already have a few hundred users in re-hab! :)
- Charlie Anzman
you guys have kept the ff service tight from day one: efficient code, optimized servers, resilient backend code, outstanding BOSHiness and obviously on-the-ball ops. No glaring, dumb startup downtime, lost data or huge blog posts explaining how you're sorry about x, y or z screw-up, and will learn from this experience and you have a 10 step plan to avoid screwing-up again and crap about...
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- mike
Goodnight and goodluck! Enjoy the new digs! Don't forget us!
- Jay Farmington
Robert, I took my $1 back and plan to bring it with me to Facebook. :)
- Dan Hsiao
Good luck with the moving and happy for you guys for your next chapter. You might be able to get me back to Facebook.. not yet though.. ;)
- Jaap Willem
It's always sad when a smaller, more cooler company joins a larger one :(
- Ankit Ahuja
That's really fast. Let's hope that you all can make a big difference at Facebook :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Wow, that was staggeringly quick. We hope that your new home at Facebook is a good one.
- 3Cinteractive, L.L.C.
from twhirl
Hope you guys can continue the open houses over at Facebook. Those were great fun.
- Hutch Carpenter
I am very confused now. I thought you just added some functionality yesterday.
- Hunt
from BuddyFeed
Wait. So facebook bought friendfeed. I thought it was the other way around. :) *********************************** Sent from my wireless device ***********************************
- Sean Montgomery
from email
So long and that thanks for the fish.....
- Gordon Joly
The new FeedFace userability will be awesome - good times ahead!!
- tony
Wow....that was fast. I know everybody seems sad but it'll be alright. Have a great move and don't forget to take all the toilet paper and light bulbs on your way out.
- suzanne
OK, so I challenge you all....play Joshs hamster dance music (posted above) while the twins bounce and try not to smile :-)
- Threepwood
Threepwood, I hearby swear to you that the four of us (wife included) have already rocked out to the Hamster Dance. I sent Josh a DM as proof. (But no video)
- Louis Gray
Remember that nice girl in the pink in the video? Well, this morning, she was in her crib in nothing but a diaper. Her outfit joined the bunny and elephant below. Yes, somehow she figured out all the snaps.
- Louis Gray
What is your Wakoopa URL? What's your top 3 apps? Mine is: http://wakoopa.com/koltreg... and my top 3 are Chrome, FF and Firefox (though don't use it much now) #whatsyoururl
http://wakoopa.com/justinluey I'm on a new system, and I forgot to install the tracker so my stuff it out of date. I do love this tool, its interesting to see what you've been using and I've discovered great apps from other users. The sharing works best with FriendFeed, and there have been some great discussions around particular software.
- Justin Luey
http://wakoopa.com/pga1ht - Just signed up 20 minutes ago - thought I would give it a try since I've seen a lot of folks around here using it.
- Alex Hellstrom
One issue I have with Wakoopa is I just cannot seem to update my profile page - I do it, then the save button gives me a "loading" that never seems to stop. If anyone knows what's up with this, I'd appreciate the advice.
- Ciaoenrico
"Most Pirate Bay users were genuinely upset when they found out that their favorite torrent site would be acquired by Global Gaming Factory (GGF) at the end of August. For a small subset of these fans, this move is more than an inked deal, as the coolness and even the credibility of their tattoos is in jeopardy."
- Martin Bryant
from Bookmarklet
is there any place that us foreigners can watch it live?
- Orli Yakuel
It's gonna be a make-or-break day for Twitter.
- Ron S. Doyle
While I don't follow Oprah much, if she engages and really uses Twitter, that silly race to 1 million followers is likely to leave Kutcher, CNN and Larry King looking like silly little boys.
- Ken Camp
I can imagine the whole crowd at the studio live tweeting Oprah in the future =D That would be absolutely crazy. Sorry, I meant ridiculous =P
- | Balu |
Cool - basically creating your own namespace just for this event, eh? Ah, for the days when the backchannel at conferences was on IRC and everyone was in the same "room", so to speak.
- Shane Curcuru
Well considering I have been getting Twitter "over capacity" messages on a regular basis since march madness started. I am afraid. Very afraid.
- Jame Ervin
Does anyone actually log in to Twitter.com at all ever? I haven't been to the site since Tweetdeck was installed.
- Matthew DeVries
@Matthew I still login. Most desktop clients suck.
- TheHenry
TheHenry - You're doing it wrong then, Tweetdeck rocks, and I hear all these new ones are even better.
- Matthew DeVries
I still find Tweetdeck to big (I don't have enough screen real estate) but I may have to switch now that I'm following @scobleizer - phew! Twhirl is my current client; nice and smooth and enough features to get by. Twitter website is only for ensuring your profile hasn't been hacked; nothing else.
- Shane Curcuru
Hmmm... Twitter's still up. I suspect Robert negotiated a secret deal last night to boost Twitter's capacity with temporary Rackspace cloud servers - a win-win all around. Vaguely disappointed that the big O's first tweet WAS ALL SHOUTING.
- Shane Curcuru
Robert, since you seem to know a lot of people, I'd like to give a tip. I'm sure you've heard it before, but I think this was all a complete publicity stunt by Twitter using @aplusk, @cnnbrk, and @oprah to bring more people. When I can't unfollow @aplusk but I can unfollow anyone else just fine, something is up. I've just deleted my twitter account.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
What a silly thing make an impassioned protest about.
- Matthew DeVries
It totally was a publicity stunt on the part of Twitter. You could have blocked all those people though Mike. The unfollow button didn't work, but the block sure did.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I don't WTF you all are talking about, I don't have any of those people on my follow list, and I can unfollow people just fine.
- Matthew DeVries
@Rob N. yeah but with all the crap that's been going on lately with Twitter coupled with the fact that I hardly use it now anyways, it was the tipping point.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Mike: Right there with ya. If I didn't have the right tools to filter out the noise I would cancel as well. I believe this is the tipping point for the whole of Twitter, and will turn it into a simple medium for people to broadcast, and will deaden the quantity and quality of interpersonal exchange. So...here we are at FriendFeed :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
So much for trying to get peeps to understand that Twitter is more than just a popularity contest. It is my understanding that Twitter temporarily disabled the unfollow button on Kutcher's account to keep people from trying to game the system by following and unfollowing to try and be his 1millionth follower.
- Sharon McPherson
I guess you all are right. Today was the day that Twitter chose wrong, and broke itself. It defined itself as a popularity contest, thus people who need to do actual work can no longer depend on it as a tool. The King is dead, long live the King.
- Matthew DeVries
I don't necessarily agree with the assumption that Twitter can no longer be depended on as a "tool" Mathew. No matter how many millions flock to Twitter because of it's "new found fame", we still have the option of choosing who we follow and who follows us.
- Sharon McPherson
Sharon is correct, this is a choose your own adventure game, and as the pie expands it just means the objectives of different entities will need to be clearly defined and well managed. Whether there is 14MM of 140MM individual entities on twitter, you still control the conversation you choose to invest in.
- Patrick Boegel
There are 10 kinds of people: those who view Twitter as a tool, and those who view it as the social network they must must must be a part of. Reminds me of intertwingly's "It's just data". It's just a tool. It's all about what you choose to do with it. Like ridiculing Oprah's technology advisers for allowing her to SHOUT OUT ALL OF HER FIRST TWEET.
- Shane Curcuru
As of 1:20 pm Pacific time (4:20 pm Eastern) Twitter is up. This is a good stress test for @ev and company.
- John E. Bredehoft
I'm choosing to use FF as a tool to make fun of her and her advisors for making her second tweet about ordering lunch LOL!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
You're all so mean! Twitter is perfect for Oprah viewers, because they've never had a thought needing more than ... well, it's sure not 140 characters, I bet.
- Stan Scott
Stan, with all due respect to Robert, the unleashing of the Oprah followers on a service is a much more powerful stress test than even the unleashing of the Robert Scoble followers on a service. I'm not sure that Twitter would share it, but it would be fascinating to see the information about Twitter sign-ups and usage over the next few days.
- John E. Bredehoft
I don't know. All of this freaking out over who's on twitter and why seems like saying "Duuuuude, Nirvana totally sold out." I don't really care who is on twitter and why. I thought "we" wanted people to have access to information and communication- even if they don't know all of the etiquette yet. I don't want FF to be the record store where the everyone is too cool.
- metalerik
Outside of President Obama, I don't like change.
- James Ferguson
Yeah, I thought electing Obama was supposed to meet our generational "change" quota.
- Mark Trapp
James, and inside President Obama, it's too dark to...
- Akiva Moskovitz
I disagree. I think there are good things, but the UI was ugly and how easily AJ made an improved one shows that. Furthermore my likes are hanging and I've had at least 4 comments bring up the error page. There are good features, like the filters and the DMs, but I didn't care for the old real time UI and this one hasn't impressed me either. I think it would be great for twitter where it is just a timeline and not a series of top rooted items.
- RAPatton
some people really don't like change. it's funny, in my industry (web development) it's 24 hour constant change.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
It could also be "Hey, my cheese is *constantly* moving."
- Jordan Hofker
Robert, I agree with you on the design, but I think this is an interim design (like the last time they did a beta). In terms of the errors, I guess I distinguish that from the criticism as a "bug report." But in terms of the other stuff, like real-time, I think my point stands: it's not the same as the old FriendFeed, so it's bad. I think what it'll do is fundamentally change what content comes into FriendFeed: less discussions about content, and more real-time messaging/conversations. An entirely new app.
- Mark Trapp
I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing, but I think comparing it to the old FriendFeed might not do it enough justice.
- Mark Trapp
For me, the inability to open threads in their own window is a big step back for dealing with long threads, and AFAICT there have been no off-setting improvements in that area. You still can't roll up expanded threads, there's no "comment" link at the bottom of a thread... (Edit: oh, you open a new window for a thread by clicking on the first post's "time posted", which isn't even styled like all the other links.)
- Andrew C
Andrew: right click and choose "open in new window."
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I just figured that out, but as I said in the edit, it's not even styled like a link, AND in the old FF, that timestamp isn't a link. It's about as hidden as a feature can get.
- Andrew C
Everyone is thrown off by change. Every site I've ever launched an major update to has had both good and bad initial feedback.
- Jared Mehle
Real-time comments in new FF beta is an improvement.
- Boris Gordon
And honestly, always-on real-time isn't a great idea for those of us who can't read FF all the time. Sometimes I _want_ to be able to switch to another window (say, where I'm _working_) and come back to the same place I was reading.
- Andrew C
Which is to say, my initial criticisms aren't "Augh, change!", but "these changes substantially diminish the utility of FF for me."
- Andrew C
Andrew: there's a pause button. Click on it when you need to. The old FriendFeed didn't keep your place, either (it refreshed every minute).
- Mark Trapp
True enough, but for the number of subscriptions I had, the FF refresh wasn't jarring (I never noticed it while the browser was the active window), and so it was relatively easy to find my place again. (I guess if there was an option to auto-pause while not focused, I'd be happier.)
- Andrew C
The ease of getting to groups. In fact, I miss almost everything that was on that right column.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Mark the friendly icon that says where it came from has been removed to take the advantage FF gained by just posting at FF ;)
- Nicholas James
I'm sure there's more - but this is what I've noticed after playing for a half-hour on the Beta. I'll come back around to it later today.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Just found another MAJOR dis-like - the way to find a permalink for an entry is gone. Why don't you try to click on "more" for me.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
from IM
Mark: the permalink is now the time posted. Click on "20 minutes ago."
- Robert Scoble
Alright. Well at least the permalink is there. What happened to the other stuff that's usually under More?
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
from IM
FriendFeed said the Reshare didn't make the beta push, but will be back. The moderate and edit options are now an "Edit" menu on your own feed items.
- Mark Trapp
there used to be other stuff that would conditionally show up under that link, as well, depending on the service it came from.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
from IM
The only one I can think of was "View x in y" for Tumblr, Digg, and Mixx. I'd mention that in FriendFeed-Feedback (it probably was overlooked like Reshare).
- Mark Trapp
Brandon: if I told you, I'd give away one of the new features! But let's just say that TWiT will play fine.
- Robert Scoble
I guess it's as close as you'll get. I don't think I could talk about a product under embargo, NDA, whatever as much as you have without giving away something. I'd just have to shut my mouth and say nothing.
- Brandon Titus
Bret is a cyborg who runs 24 by 7. And he's good too!
- Louis Gray
I've had similar experiences with the folks at Feedly. There's also a Sun engineer/kernel guy like that. In the latter case, it's not necessarily an instant fix since kernels are apparently large and complicated beasts.... :-) But I do appreciate the near-real-time communication and workarounds even though it is officially a "day off."
- Joanmarie
Louis yes, but are your twins afraid of him?
- Jesse Stay
I just got an email reminder about Bret's talk in SF tomorrow. That's insane: Launching a product and giving a talk about FF infrastructure the same night. Although I guess prepping for one is automatically prepping for another :)
- Eric Florenzano
Are details of Bret's talk posted anywhere like Upcoming?
- Mark Evans
Bring top bloggers all into a room, give them a demo of something really cool, then tell them they can't talk about it. Nothing will spread faster.
- Jesse Stay
Then, the day before, give them all access to the product, and tell them they still can't talk about it.
- Jesse Stay
Me, personally, I would just get annoyed. Then again, the normal course of the blogosphere sometimes annoys me...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Give random user, say "mitch" for example, access to the beta. Tell him he can say anything he wants knowing perfectly well that no one will believe him.
- Mitch
The beta goes live for everybody in 12 hrs 23 minutes. Ish.
- Ken Sheppardson
Jesse: I think Toyota conspired to keep me from experiencing the new UI until this evening. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Johnny, for those who attended the demo earlier this week, access was opened up mid-day today.
- Louis Gray
...but apparently the accompanying email from FriendFeed didn't make to it to everyone in that same group.
- Ken Sheppardson
Who says I'm talking about FriendFeed? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Oh, cool :D Glad to see they have it up and running... and I guess that's what this is all about. No elitism, no censorship, just plain old beta testing. Remember when we all lost out shit when real-time was switched on? Now multiply that over a whole new UI and tomorrow, FF is gonna get slammed. Kevin told us before he was on his way home so it must all be good. Good work FriendFeed... Oh, and BTW, it's called 'marketing'
- Johnny Worthington
Oh, but neglect to give everyone in said group access to the product - one more step ;-)
- Jesse Stay
It's smart to start with a small group of people to make sure that they didn't miss anything stupid. Even then, the new UI isn't working right on an iPhone. So, there will be bugs tomorrow when it's turned on. At least they know about the worst issues. Gonna be an interesting day, that's for sure!
- Robert Scoble
Jesse, it sure sounds like you're talking about your visit to FriendFeed on Friday
- Vinko
Vinko, I didn't go to FriendFeed on Friday - I'm about 16 hours drive from FriendFeed so it would be kind of difficult. ;-)
- Jesse Stay
In that case, you are making me intrigue as to what site/service/application you're talking about. Could it be CoTweet, then?
- Vinko
Vinko, I'm talking about any application/service/site. This is a great strategy.
- Jesse Stay
But yes, this could apply to FriendFeed. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Seems like you have to have a sort of flexible attitude about it though. I think actually having written NDAs and other legal restrictions could sort of throw a wrench in the works.
- Ken Sheppardson
Now somebody just needs to offer a hosted version. If you just made it an 'unconference' hosted solution, and charged a tiny monthly fee, it might make for a handy little side business.
- Darren Barefoot
Nice, I'm wondering if they could have built this on Buddypress too?
- nooble
They have Baked Cheetos at Google sometimes. They actually aren't bad.
- Laurence Gonsalves
"Hornall Anderson also designed ... a new brand called Smartfood." Huh? Smartfood has been around since '85, and Frito-Lay has owned it since '89, so in what sense is it a "new brand"?
- Laurence Gonsalves
I prefer baked Cheetos, but the MSG keeps me away.
- Alix Whitmire
not really a fan of baked chips (and had no idea there were baked cheetos) but I do like the redesign. very much.
- ♥patricia♥
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- Farhad Jafari
from Bookmarklet
I've been a part of this site since it first began a while ago. But, now they have given the site an overall in the backend of things and have made everything a lot better. Basically its a way to search for blogs by location and subject. You can find me by just searching for Mathew Ballard.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
from Bookmarklet
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- Lindsay is in 20-ten
California (& the US) should legalize marijuana because 1) prohibition doesn't work 2) it is infringment on individual rights 3) it could be a major boon to agriculture as a whole
- Keith - @tsudo
Lastly, ask any high school kid, "Is it harder to get beer or pot?" The answer will reveal the failure of the Drug War.
- Keith - @tsudo
I don't care if you fake follow me. I don't define myself by who follows me, but I define myself by who +I+ follow! I follow smart people who teach me things and put interesting stuff in my view. If you stop, or prove to be a jerk or a troll, then I'll just unsubscribe.
All I can say to that is, you better enjoy a lot of good German brews while you're there. It's non-sequitor, and that is what you should expect from me.
- Pete Delucchi
Wait. Isn't Robert Scoble just Alex Scoble's older brother?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Pete, the correct spelling is "Mississippi." And Robert, "The Metro" and "Take My Breath Away" are really good songs. And I think you'd agree that the content that you obtain from your subscribees is more important than your subscribee count. It's a content game, not a numbers game.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Akiva: yup, Alex is my younger brother. You can't really blame him for how he is. I used to beat him up. Of course, he gave me my issues with authority. He told mom. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Pete: Rocky already found a bar that has hundreds of beers. I have a feeling we'll be seen there once or twice between now and Sunday.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, he seems to be doing all right so far!
- Akiva Moskovitz
Great example of being quality-centered instead of market-centered... do what you love and a market will find you...
- Justin Long
@Akiva, yeah, robert scoble uses his last name to get by on alex's gig.
- Morgan Warstler
Akiva- You are the man...that's the funniest stuff I've seen since the whole Korn of the Blog thing.
- Alex Scoble
@Pete - I just want you to know that your non sequitur above ended up inspiring dozens of non sequiturs on FriendFeed this evening. I hope you're Melvin about that.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
That's one of the many things I like about FriendFeed: how many people follow you isn't displayed at the top level. I hope that doesn't change. I think a lot of people on Twitter (and other social networks) only obsess over their followers/friends just because everyone else can see it. I also think that's why a lot of people don't like FriendFeed... you've got to give substance to get substance.
- Paul Reynolds
@Ontario I've stopped shaking my fist, just so you know.
- Pete Delucchi
Agreed - I don't think I'll ever "fake follow". I'd rather just unsubscribe - those I follow I try to pay attention to.
- Jesse Stay
How does one 'fake follow' a person? Is it hard? Is it fun? Can I do it?
- Michael Moran
I agree with you Robert as I don't see any valid reason for me as an individual to fake follow anyone!
- Joe Dawson
Yeah @robert, how or whats "fake follow" ?
- Arjun
Agree on this, though I think from a feature perspective it's a smart one!
- Vinodh Nandakumar
NEW (February 25): Of course two weeks ago I started auto following again. Why? Cause Direct Messaging on Twitter is broken. But here on friendfeed I have a different philosophy. I am using lists to follow specific people and segregate those out from other people. So I can keep the geeks who talk tech separate from my brother, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
That said, I assume everyone is smart until they prove otherwise. :-)
- Robert Scoble
i just wish people would stop talking about following in general :P
- Terry O'Fee
This would have more credibility now Robert if you protested the capping of manual follows at 2000 until you get followers of that number and can move on now. You got to autofollow with abandon; today normal people are capped on manual follows. Unfair.
- Prokofy Neva
Holy hell, this thread is 6 months old!
- coldbrew
I would agree with Garin, followers/following is not important, but discussion is. BTW, Loic is very good a starting this type of arguments (must be his French side).
- Jeremy Chone
This level of necrophilia is just gross dude. Internet threads are not fine cheeses.
- Matthew DeVries
dont worry, matt. there's about five or six conversations of the same discussion now.
- Terry O'Fee
I feel like I should invite friends over and serve wines with threads like this "tonight, we'll be sampling a 2003 SA thread about iPods, a 2007 flickr thread about EXIF data, and something really special a 1994 ISCA BBS thread about where the clitoris is"
- Matthew DeVries
lol - I really enjoy your posts and convo - I learn many things - and thanks for the laughs too : )
- Mark Harai
I'd respond to this thread but necro-posting creates zombie threads and zombie threads eat Brrraaaiiinnnnsss! :P
- MarkCarras
Robert you have alot to teach and you seem teachable also-sign of a good journalist.
- earlewallace
If that was sitting on a purple tub, that could be my house. My husband has a this horrible disease that prevents him from putting a new roll on. It's called Myshitdontstinkitis.
- Admiral Anika
Heres the thing, its just going to get all used up again anyway, then you have to take the old one off and put the new on one. Really that is just cutting out the middle man.
- Joe Pierce
I wish it were like that at work. The roll doesn't roll and you end up tearing off one square at a time.
- Rodfather
If I do that, I'm the one who will end up installing the roll anyway.
- Morton Fox
OMG i hate when people do that lazy lazy lazy lazy, i am always the one to change the roll in my house it makes me insane to always have to do it cus other people are lazy
- Angela P.
2. Twitter only has one list that everyone sees.
- Robert Scoble
4. Large incorporated suggested friends on twitter
- sofarsoShawn
3. Twitter lets you follow the entire list with one click.
- Robert Scoble
2. recommended friendfeed seems to better align with preferences
- Lionel Spearman
4. On friendfeed recommended friends are different on each person's account -- it is based on the friends you are already following.
- Robert Scoble
3. Friendfeed allows you to see more rss feeds than Twitter w/o 3rd party apps
- Lionel Spearman
5. On friendfeed the ones who are displayed are who your friend's most popular friends are. On Twitter it is whoever the staff has picked.
- Robert Scoble
ooh - didn't realize there was a one click - i will be posting about this on monday - the list is complete bs - for example, how did they pick tc out of all the tech blogs? tc doesn't even participate in twitter, it's just a rss feed. and what about the others - similar issues - they should take the feature down - all it does is pump a few people and help to keep their pageviews high -...
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- Allen Stern
Friendfeed reflects the engineering care that that service has. Twitter's feature is very poorly thought out.
- Robert Scoble
6.Twitter seems to suggest folks who are somehow related to Twitter, work there or part of founding team, haven't noticed the same with FF
- MiaD
Allen: Twitter's implementation is 1000 x worse than the way friendfeed was.
- Robert Scoble
right - agreed robert (course you got the benefit here, not there cuz you ain't in their clique)
- Allen Stern
Allen: two weeks ago I was more popular than Techcrunch and @leolaporte was a lot more popular than me. Today Techcrunch is way more popular than either of us.
- Robert Scoble
7. For a newbie, 1-line bio is helpful, FF doesn't have that option, while Twitter pulls that info from the profile (for those who've provided it).
- MiaD
yeap robert - it's because of this list - wait - even the "social media brand expert" that fast company called - ijustine- has more followers than you
- Allen Stern
On FF if you follow the recommendations, as they tend to be friends of friends, you end up with a group of people who already interacts with each other. On Twitter, and that seems to happen anyway even without the recommendations, you might end up with individuals, totally disconnected, who are doing their own monologues.
- M F
Twitter's recommendations (at least currently) don't seemt to make any sense. FriendFeed's suggestions of friend-of-a-friend seems at least a step in the right direction, although I like to follow people who have completely different interests/perspectives than mine as well. Twitter doesn't even seem to care who I follow or what I tweet about.
- phil baumann
I didn't even know there was a recommended friends feature here. Oops, my slip is showing again. Or is that toilet paper clinging to the back of my skirt?
- Martha
phil - note that in the beginning ff's default list was the same sort of thing - i wrote a long post about it - and then later on they changed it - but in the early days the list was the same sort of thing
- Allen Stern
Allen: that is NOT true. Friendfeed's lists were ALWAYS based on objective criteria. Twitters' are not.
- Robert Scoble
I just looked at my suggested user and a lot of them are celebrities, which to me makes the list impersonal, Friendfeed recommended list seems much more personal and I can tell whatever method they are using for the most part is giving good matches
- Kim Landwehr
Biz says that the "suggested users" are meant to help those new to twitter, because they don't know what to do once joined. How did Twitter's founders decide that the best use of Twitter is to follow celebrities or corporate news? FAIL
- Debi Jones
Twitter recommends celebrity follows, not just Scoble celebrity, but HUGE celebrities such as Britney Spears and Shaq (the "REAL" one); which undeniably interprets more as a marketing strategy ie "Look who uses twitter whooopeee you can be just like them", than as an actual useful info stream
- sofarsoShawn
The people that friendfeed has suggested to me have all been people more aligned with my interests then the majority of people on the twitter one
- Benno
I guess twitter does not have the recommendstion algorithms/engine that ff is developing. Maybe they have a person working on the list. That makes the recommendations "subjective" but is that a problem? It's their service so they can do as they like.
- Davide D'Incau
FF recommends almost all males and very few females (could I be following most of them already?) while twitter has more of a balance.
- tarafireball
Nah, the banks that received it would just go on another bad lending spree and cause another one soon after.
- xero
is it even possible to rack up a bill this big? i mean... how many minutes is that...lol
- Adam Matthews
he could do it in a couple of steps:1.take 20 or 30 billion and buy the telco. 2. pay the bill. 3. pay taxes, thereby saving the world economy. 4. declare a dividend and give back most of the money to himself. 5. have a beer, having earned some down time after a hard day's work.
- Dave Winer
This guy really needs to look at the fine print in his phone charges plan next time!
- Seth Greenblatt
Everyone overlooked the important clause in the Facebook TOS - Facebook only had rights to your content subject to your privacy settings. They couldn't sell it for broad distribution. But no one stopped to consider that aspect of it.
- Hutch Carpenter
But your content is still under Facebook's control (and they tend to hide, rather than permanently delete, when you remove content), TOS can change at any time without notice, and FB is still struggling to find a profitable business plan. Personally, I will be migrating more of my content to my own hosting over time.
- LogEx
Logical - it's pretty much always that way. What value does it have to Facebook with some limited audience to whom it could distribute?
- Hutch Carpenter
How much content were you putting on Facebook before? It's good for photos you want to tag with friends names sure, but it doesn't compare to any specialized services for sharing pictures, music etc. and you can then just link to those from your facebook page.
- Richard Lawler
Hutch, not sure what you mean by limited audience. With a change to TOS, current or previously deleted content could be used for anything. I just don't trust Facebook, never have and probably never will. Repeated privacy dust-ups, and I doubt this will be the last one.
- LogEx
Logical - I mean this. I have my kids photos only accessible to my friends, no one else. That's my privacy setting. So if someone like Gerber wanted to use a pic of my kid, hypothetically, Facebook could only commercially re-publish the pic to my existing social network. This approach doesn't scale.
- Hutch Carpenter
Hutch, I get that, and I know FB must balance every change with anticipated user response. But they have an incredible volume of social graph, and personal content and details, very tempting to be exploited in some way. Terms of use are written in sand. With great power comes great responsibility, but with lack of transparency, power can be too easily abused.
- LogEx
Well, I can't argue against the logical extreme of companies deciding to trash their relationships with their members. I'll only note that such behavior is precisely the kind of thing that would kill any service. This isn't a government entity, it's a private company where people are free to leave as they want. Ripping off people's content and ignoring their privacy settings would spell the end of Facebook. Note this applies to any company: credit cards, grocery store loyalty cards, online ad companies, etc
- Hutch Carpenter
Reports about Facebook's attempt to own its users' data were just the product of poor research and sensationalism. The problem wasn't an attempt to own data but rather a license that went too far and which basically gave Facebook the right to do anything it wants.
- Paul Jacobson
from twhirl
Paul: Surely that amounts to the same thing. It wasn't sensationalism at all it was proper concern. Companies like Facebook must be kept honest by their users. I see honestly no reason why FB *needs* to claim any kind of licence over my content at all. In fact by claiming such licence or right it potentially exposes itself to not being able to use the mere conduit defense.
- Anton Mannering
from twhirl
Hi Anton, I'm not defending Facebook. I am just saying that the claims that it took ownership were incorrect. Its license stops just short of ownership and was very problematic. Generally, though, these sorts of services do require a license to manipulate our content and provide their service. The question is how broad the license is. In this case it went way too far and TC didn't quite grasp the distinctions.
- Paul Jacobson
from twhirl
Anton - what specifically about Facebook's TOS concerned you? In a way that others holders of our personal info didn't?
- Hutch Carpenter
pictures on flickr, videos on blip.tv, blog entries on wordpress. i still own all of my data and apart from a couple of photos my profile is a hub, with all these apps that show all of the stuff.
- Terry O'Fee
ScottBourne: From Google's TOS: "you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services." http://www.google.com/intl...
- Hutch Carpenter
@Hutch... also FB claimed to retain all license even if you closed your acount. Google's license terminates, see section 13... http://www.google.com/account...
- LogEx
Well, this is good. Scott - I can't argue if you're not using Google either. You're staying pretty pure here. Can you describe the sub-licensing distinction?
- Hutch Carpenter
Logical - I hear you on that difference. But with the privacy restrictions, is Facebook really going to do anything with your content after you've left the site?
- Hutch Carpenter
Is the issue "what can they do" or "what are they legally allowed to do"?
- coldbrew
Both, in my mind. Arguably they could commercial distribute to your social network based on the privacy restrictions (what can they do). But not beyond that (what are they prohibited from doing). I guess "legal" would be a whole different realm, technically.
- Hutch Carpenter
Scott - sorry, didn't mean to insult. Impressed you'll avoid Google for same reason you'll avoid Facebook. As for the sub-licensing...distribution of those images will still be subject to the same privacy setting restrictions. So maybe people in your social network could buy those images, but no one else. As a viable business strategy, it's non-scalable and only pisses off members.
- Hutch Carpenter
Hutch, aside from any legal issues as Scott points out, any limitations that FB has with respect to privacy settings are only as good as the TOS, which can change at whim. But ALWAYS when an account is closed, all data should be deleted AND all rights should cease. FB has goofed big on privacy at least three times in the past, that's a lot of mistrust to overcome. Why does FB write terms that they would never execute on? Other services tend to stick to what they need to operate.
- LogEx
Logical - my sense is this argument could apply to a lot of companies. What was the Twitter service where people entered their passwords, which then was sold the next day? That's shoddy. Facebook is in a different class of companies with 175mm members, significant capital and constant coverage. As with any company, you have to trust them. Applies everywhere.
- Hutch Carpenter
Robert, homemade spaghetti dinner if you make it to Olympia, WA. You and your wife can be the guests of me and my wife. Just give me 72 hours warning if ya can or my wife will beat me in an un-fun kind of way. :D
- MarkCarras
"Good" or "bad" parenting depends on whether it helps or hinders a child from ultimately becoming the best version of himself or herself. That's the test.
- Victor Panlilio
Nothing wrong with that. Eminem is pretty talented and you don't have to be a certain age to enjoy his music.
- Johnny Makkar
You're all good, as long as you teach him how to play gin, hearts, spades, and/or bridge; how to make a fire is also important. Don't forget BBQ ;-)
- coldbrew
Directeur: I like all kinds of music. Some of my best experiences were sitting on the floor in Preservation Hall in New Orleans two feet from the sax player.Jazz is great.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, Lucky you! :) I was sure that you love Jazz!
- directeur
I've heard better Eminem songs ... but why would you be bad parent for exposing him to everything that is out there, just as long as you don't expose him to the gangsta lifestyle.
- Rene Wirtz
Exposing a child to "everything that is out there" is a recipe for heartache. Until and unless a child has formed the ability to discern what is helpful and harmful to his or her human development (in the fullest sense), it is better to err on the side of caution. Would any of you, as parents, give your child, for example, hallucinogenic substances, so that your child can be exposed to "everything that is out there"? How "out there" do you want them to be?
- Victor Panlilio
Content is different from brain altering chemicals, let's not get carried away.
- coldbrew
A brain still in development, mind you.
- coldbrew
Music is not really harmful nor illegal, while hallucinogenic substances are. My children will be exposed to all kinds of music, because I want them to know that there is more out there than the Billboard Hot 100. Then again, when drugs will come up I will discuss it openly and I will certainly not go out of my way to hide it. Transparency is key.
- Rene Wirtz
Victor: I want to prepare him for adulthood. When he is an adult I would expect that he will go to Amsterdam. What will he try there? I hopehe surrounds himself with smart people who protect him from trouble. As to mind altering substances I am partial to Merlot and Oban scotch.
- Robert Scoble
Those substances are NOT illegal in Amsterdam.
- Robert Scoble
Adulthood =! every experience in the world. Even though the word "adult" in our culture has many meanings, some of them are not conducive to healthy human development. For example, child pornography is a thriving "adult" business. I just read in the news that there are hundreds of thousands of people who are addicted to child porn. I suspect that is a low estimate.
- Victor Panlilio
Nope. Not even a little. And I am qualified to speak on bad parenting.
- Martha
Panlilio, if you could point to a specific article that would support your argument that exposure of adolescent humans to ideas at the url you referenced, that would be helpful.
- coldbrew
My son, at age 14, was arguing about porn and censorship with Jonathan Adelstein, FCC commissioner. Again: protecting kids from evil does NOT prepare them for adult life. In three years Patrick will be an adult. I think he will be prepared.
- Robert Scoble
I'm sorry Robert, by that time Amsterdam will not have a red light district anymore, nor will there be an as liberal drug scene as there used to be. The authorities are slowly clamping down on these two vices. I'm glad I was able to show my 16 year old the red light disctrict last summer, gave him some bragging rights.
- Rene Wirtz
As for transparency, sure. My son knows, for example, that drugs can harm his brain development — he has a book titled "I am a Drug-Free Kid" and he knows that what he eats becomes part of his body, which is the outside world, just organized a little differently.
- Victor Panlilio
And yes, it is a common misconception that drugs are legal, because they really are. The law is just not enforced. Yet. Like I said, they are slowly closing down the coffeeshops.
- Rene Wirtz
Scoble's son is now a likely child pornographer unless he is "protected"? My stomach now hurts, thanks :-)
- coldbrew
We have had conversations about child porn. For instance, to warn him that emailing a photo of himself or a friend naked is a felony.
- Robert Scoble
At least the song talks about safe sex.
- Bryce Roney
from IM
@coldbrew: I have worked on corporate networks of thousands of PCs, and we didn't go out of our way to police what people download to their computers. At my current place of employment, we have an acceptable use policy that every employee has to agree to, and if they violate its terms, they are subject to disciplinary action. A few years ago, an employee at the Dept of Defence (in Canada) was arrested for having 25,000+ images of child porn on his work PC — storage and bandwidth paid for by taxpayers.
- Victor Panlilio
Ok then. Well, on the subject of the song, I don't believe you are a bad parent at all for liking the it. I listened to it before and it's not as bad as the rest of them (pretty good beat too). It's also smart of you to teach him about the repercussions of child pornography. I've gotten a few "graphic" images, from people I won't name, sent to my phone. I believe it's called "sexting".
- Michael Forian
Re: safe sex — when I donated blood, Canadian Blood Services asked me all kinds of questions, e.g. have you had sex with a man, have you had sex with a prostitute, have you had sex with multiple partners. etc. They're obviously not interested in protecting my sensitive feelings or in being politically correct, they're interested in making sure the emergency blood supply is safe, and of course they're going to test it no matter what I say. But the questions are designed to discourage certain types of donors.
- Victor Panlilio
Yes, disturbed people do exist, but those people exist in very small numbers. Exposure to ideas doesn't make one susceptible to interest in partaking in those ideas. Humans have discriminatory abilities by age 6 at least, in my experience.
- coldbrew
Screening questions related to donating blood, a matter of life and death, are now relevant how?
- coldbrew
@coldbrew: talk to a mental health professional, e.g. a clinical psychologist who works in public health practice, about "very small numbers" — you might be surprised about how common certain mental disturbances are
- Victor Panlilio
Victor: I am more worried my son will spend too much time online than he will get addicted to some weird drug.
- Robert Scoble
I'll do that after I search the entire site you first linked to in order to support your argument that unfettered access to ideas by a 15 year old could pollute their minds and cause them to be interested in child porn :)
- coldbrew
Woah, and this conversation now makes me wonder again what could happen to people who assume that everyone they communicate with online is of age and send inappropriate content to someone who is not?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
@coldbrew: "safe sex" can be a matter of life and death for HIV carriers and the people with whom they exchange bodily fluids.
- Victor Panlilio
bad parent? no. bad taste? debatable.. :P
- Terry O'Fee
Robert: If he really is your son, why isn't he on FriendFeed?! He must have the gene in him!
- Michael Forian
Terry: I had a college professor who thought anything other than classical music is in bad taste.
- Robert Scoble
At least you have a relationship with him, and he feels comfortable sharing his interests with you!
- Freddie Scott
@Robert: "protecting kids from evil does NOT prepare them for adult life." I work for an environmental engineering firm. We design, build, and do things that help prevent companies from harming the environment, and if these companies have already done so, we help them undo the harm. By way of analogy: I wish to shield my son from harmful substances AND harmful influences. You ask whether you are being a bad parent. Perhaps it's not the "wisdom of the crowd" that you should listen to, but your conscience.
- Victor Panlilio
When my niece was 12, she clicked on the top hit in a search result, and it turned out to be a porn site. She very calmly said, "Oh, that's porn. Mommy already talked to me about it. Those people probably don't love each other, they're just doing it for the money." My sister had not prevented my niece from exploring online, but she helped my niece internalize the values that would serve her well in later life. I aspire to do the same for my son.
- Victor Panlilio
@coldbrew wrote: "support your argument that unfettered access to ideas by a 15 year old could pollute their minds" — ever heard of neuroplasticity? — http://tinyurl.com/ag2uk6 — there, that's my contribution to your learning
- Victor Panlilio
Dont' worry Robert, I can personally guarantee that you won't come in last place in the daddy awards! Finishing ahead of second-to-last, well, that's up to you to work on! :-)
- Morgan Haley
Personally, I don't think shielding is the best way to protect kids. Far from it, actually. I think information is the best protection and I'd rather they get the information from me than from anywhere else. and you know they can and you know they will.
- Rene Wirtz
Victor: I knew someone in high school who's parents were very religious and kept him away from all sorts of "bad" influences. No movies over PG. No talks about sex or drugs. Church every Sunday, etc. When he got to college he drank himself to death (happened to two kids I knew of in my Silicon Valley high school). If you don't give your kids real life experiences they will go overboard when they are out of your grip. I'd rather give my son some real-world skills to deal with this stuff like an adult.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: raising children is like holding a wet bar of soap. Grasp too firmly, and it will shoot out of your hand. Don't grasp firmly enough, and it will slide out of your hand. It is admirable that you wish to give your son "real-world" skills, but my best friend's dad's idea of "real-world" was to take him to a prostitute when he turned 16. So, your high school friend's parents were well-intentioned, but they probably grasped the bar of soap too tightly.
- Victor Panlilio
Victor: yeah, that's going too far for me.
- Robert Scoble
After hearing what Robert said: I've gotten myself in to some pretty embarrassing situations at boarding school when it came to drinking (especially on my birthday). But, if that never happened, I would never have learned the true responsibility of being able to drink. Another note: your friends at boarding school become more and more like family, and are always their to bail you out in situations like these.
- Michael Forian
Michael: I learned a few things about drinking: 1. you can drink yourself to death. So, don't engage in drinking games until you have some experience about how far to go (and you have friends around you who won't push things too far). 2. Don't mix drinks. Pick one to start the night and stick with it, no matter how tempted. 3. Don't get in cars with drunk drivers (remember, when you're drunk yourself you can't often tell if your driver is drunk).
- Robert Scoble
Panilio, I just can't follow your logic, sorry. We can just disagree.
- coldbrew
@coldbrew: According to the theory of neuroplasticity; thinking, learning, and acting actually change both the brain's physical structure (anatomy) and functional organization (physiology) from top to bottom... A substantial paradigm shift is now under way (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...)
- Victor Panlilio
@coldbrew: In other words, the immutability of adult brains is now being questioned by neuroscientists, which means that our brains can be changed by influences to which they are exposed long after adolescence. And this implies that whatever powers of discrimination we think 6 year olds may have are still open to being profoundly influenced at 15, or 50. There, that logic wasn't so hard to follow, was it?
- Victor Panlilio
Re: drinking — surround yourself with trusted, reliable friends. Last time I got drunk, my friends took me home and tucked me in. No driving involved, we just walked across the road to the house where I was staying. :)
- Victor Panlilio
As long as it isn't a bottle of Coke or Diet Coke (your last update) then you'll be considered a good parent. As a current Diet Coke devotee, I have to say that your will power is commendable.
- Jay Cuthrell
Robert: mixing drinks, in my experience, is a BAD idea. Beer + scotch = room moves even when my head is still. :D
- Victor Panlilio
nothing against hip hop or anything like that. i just hate eminem's music. i like stuff like jurassic 5, greydon square etc...
- Terry O'Fee
not a bad parent... just a progressive one.. maybe even hip?
- titaniar
As long as you introduce him to the new Motorhead too. :D
- MarkCarras
haven't heard it yet, will have to check that out. I love Eminem.
- Thomas Hawk
I don't know the song either. But I think you are a great father that you and your son are close enough to actually know what he likes and that he shares it with you.
- Travis B. Hartwell
Hmm, is anyone else surprised that Eminem's still around? Although I'm not exactly a rap fan.
- Tyson Key
naa, Id be more surprised if Em wasn't still around Tyson
- Zee.
Nah..I raise my kids on hard rock, punk, jazz, hip hop, you name it, since they were little....I just use a little discretion when needed.
- Seagate
Robert - I think that makes you a GREAT parent. Why? Because you understand and appreciate your son's world. Music is a very large component of youth culture and development. Your shared interest connects you and shows that you care about his world... that is huge! Many parents do not care to learn or appreciate their kids interests. So I think the fact that you do care really is cool!! :)
- Susan Beebe
With lyrics like "Lick the wonder cheese from under my nuts" it sounds like a great father-son bonding song</sarcasm>
- Dylan Parker
yeah makes sense !!! teaches the kid the qualities of team work, unity, collaboration (50 cent, dr dre and eminem..!!...don't act like a snobby model !!!!! okay who am i kiddin ! Will the real slim shady please stand up !!!
- Sai