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RT @darnoc search functionality in @tweetdeck provides me w/ tons of #davos content as does @reutersgr8db8 feed.
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sweet
- Virtualgoodz
Re: A Seesmic member has passed - Craig Manganello - http://www.seesmic.com/video...
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:( That's really sad.
- Shawn Farner
:(
- Fa La La La Lindsay
erf /:
- Virtualgoodz
i read about him earlier. Along with guys like Marc Orchant whose Twiiter account is still live i often wonder what happens when they pass (at the moment an account is an account!). Would mabe be touching for social media sites to have something.Not sure what tho'.
- Steven Livingstone-Pérez
from twhirl
Oh my...I had been wondering how his surgery went, as I hadn't heard anything. This is so sad, I hoped he would get better and was floored when I heard he had to go back to have surgery. RIP, Craig.
- Admiral Anika
@markzero RSS feeds aren't fast enough for the "Live Web." Twitter and FriendFeed move too fast. XMPP needed (which is a chat protocol).
JD Lasica, Susan Beebe, Steve Chou and 16 other people liked this
hi there!
- Virtualgoodz
Twitter or Friendfeed aren't "too fast" if you cut the fat and only follow the most interesting people and rooms.
- Marcos Marado
Marcos: I was arguing protocols. Your Tweets show up here in FriendFeed via XMPP, not RSS. Why? XMPP is a lot faster.
- Robert Scoble
Wonder if one will eventually approach a way to basically chat using these services. GTalk is XMPP already, right?
- Monia
Friendfeed and Twitter have really opened my eyes to this - I'm seeing stuff show up in Google Reader hours after I've already read them thanks to FF.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Robert, it is not that RSS is not fast enough, but it is the wrong approach for a "live web". XMPP gives us the pub/sub model so that you know the moment of publish. For RSS readers, they typically poll the RSS source at regular intervals. Look at FriendFeed, they poll RSS feeds every 30 minutes or so.
- Rob Diana
Rob: exactly, but my Tweets usually show up here within a few seconds of posting on Twitter. 30 minutes is too slow for the live web.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble I totally agree, 30 minutes is too slow for a live web. Just used FF as an example of "fast" RSS. Also, if you do not mind, can I call you Scoble instead of Robert? Damned confusing, seems like I am talking to myself sometimes.
- Rob Diana
Rob, you can call me whatever you want. Problem with "Scoble" is that there are a few other people here who have that last name. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Let's call him "Robble".
- Daniel J. Pritchett
FF's SUP protocol will fix RSS latency for platforms that support it, like mine.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
The "Live Web" has been silo-based because it's trivial to do (Twitter,MySpace,Facebook) and Robert Scoble's right about XMPP being the solution. Yammer is doing it best (technically) right now via Jack Moffitt's Strophe, Twitter has dropped the XMPP ball but will probably pick it up again, Identi.ca is running with XMPP and it's hard but the users LOVE it (when it works). The takeaway is that XMPP is hard/complex, Seesmic is advancing the technology, and the libraries are getting better from recent uptake.
- Brian Hendrickson
I would love to see a "chat" protocol for commenting on anything - Blog, Twitter, Facebook etc... some sort of "conversation" framework.
- Ron West
Identi.ca is built on just such an open "chat" protocol http://is.gd/2Zy0 -- it's 2 months old but has been implemented in several forms already, and Drupal is building it into their platform. It feeds traffic back into XMPP and definitely qualifies as "Live Web", the problem is getting the "biggies" to feed their statuses, comments into it.
- Brian Hendrickson
Q: Were there any good blog posts that covered the Blog World Expo panels? All those bloggers, and no "coverage"? Did I miss them? #bwe08
Mark Krynsky, Jesse Stay, Daynah and 8 other people liked this
The best coverage was live Tweets and conversations on FriendFeed. That's what http://search.twitter.com and FriendFeed's search is there for. But, yeah, it would be nice to be able to bundle all that learning up into something with a single URL.
- Robert Scoble
My question there, Robert, is that if you put hundreds of bloggers at an event with good discussion and potentially news, that there should be "recaps" or "highlights". Journalists do this all the time, reporting panels and speakers. It's what I did for Bret and Loic's panel the other week. Using only Twitter and FriendFeed are the easy way out.
- Louis Gray
There are a few of those here: http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsea...
- Robert Scoble
what a good question and ironic answer.
- jeneane sessum
Jeneane: is Twittering blogging? In my mind it is.
- Robert Scoble
hello
- Virtualgoodz
Robert, no twittering isn't blogging. it's ubiquitous IM.
- jeneane sessum
jeneane: I disagree. Who wrote the rule book that said that a blog needed to be longer than 140 characters? :-)
- Robert Scoble
And yes, Robert's link to Google Blog Search does find some good ones.
- Louis Gray
@Robert, a tweet is not a blog post. It's a tweet. Louis' point was that for a blogging conference, the lack of blog posts (reflective, substantive, and I have more adjectives if you want them) covering the goings-on is noteworthy.
- jeneane sessum
Jeneane: and exactly what is the difference other than one is limited to 140 characters? A blog is an individual voice of a person. My Tweets are my voice.
- Robert Scoble
So then if anyone other than those who were there care about BWE, they can search Twitter and sort through idle chatter, meet-up organization, and weblebrity sitings, Jeneane. Otherwise, the information presented there is only for those cool enough to have been there. ;)
- Cyndy
Robert - again: substance. If blogging is the same as twitter and friendfeed, then quit your blog and just use those formats. Consider yourself dared. Cyndy +1.
- jeneane sessum
jeneane: I use the right tool for the job. A lot of times it's Twitter. Sometimes I have more to say, that's when my Wordpress-powered blog comes into play. Sometimes I want to post a picture to communicate with you, that's gonna be up on Flickr. Sometimes I want to do a video. etc etc. Personally I go to conferences nowadays to enjoy myself, not to be a reporter or a PR person for the conference. I don't get paid to go to conferences, when that starts maybe I'll start doing work at them. :-)
- Robert Scoble
wasn't twittering originally called "microblogging"? I'm still struggling to know when the right tool is for the right job, but I use FF for most discussions ABOUT posts, twitter for microblogging casual stuff in under 140 chars, and my blog for anything that's longer than a few paragraphs (which I try to post at least once a day).
- Justin Long
It's funny that we haven't talked about the real reason why this conference didn't get blogged about that much: every blogger knows that anytime you blog about blogging your traffic goes down by 10x. Unless you are problogger. So there's actually an anti-incentive to covering a conference about blogging! Interesting that no one posted that yet.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I don't find that to be true. Blogging about blogging trends can at times be as engaging as blogging about services.
- Louis Gray
Actually I think it depends on audience. I've been writing in part about using blogging as a tool for missionaries trying to explain their purpose and vision, and I've seen my traffic go up steadily over the past week. But if your readers ARE existing bloggers, then traffic would probably go down? unless you have something new and powerful to say.
- Justin Long
Louis: well, you are sort of in the same bucket as problogger. Among other circles they know they are losing their audience when they do that. Imagine you have a blog on, say, Alzheimers. Why would you write about a blogging conference to your audience? (I met a lot of people who blog on topics like alzheimers or quilting there).
- Robert Scoble
Would be nice to here a summary of trends, or thoughts on how things have changed or where they are going (from those "creating" the industry)...ACEdge
- Alan Edgett
I agree the live tweets were valuable. I probably should write up my insights, but I probably fear they'd seem trite once I put 'em down.
- Paul Rodriguez
Alan: trends. Video up. Blogging steady. Microblogging big up. Aggregators up. Monetization mixed. Mobile video: new on scene, expected to be way up. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you think the reason that there weren't more posts about BWE from bloggers is that bloggers didn't want to lose traffic? ("It's funny that we haven't talked about the real reason why this conference didn't get blogged about that much: every blogger knows that anytime you blog about blogging your traffic goes down by 10x.") I doubt that's the case. Your point about people wanting to enjoy conferences instead of blogging them these days is well taken. But you sound defensive.
- jeneane sessum
Alan: more trends. Watch networks of bloggers. Way up. Oh, and watch them to become media companies and move away from blogs.
- Robert Scoble
jeneane: I don't have a bet on this table. So, I don't really care and if I'm defensive it's cause the info is already out there and those who complain about it are in a position to gather the info together and bundle it and add some value. The world is changing and conferences won't be blogged all the time. I know I hate writing about conferences or covering them. Other people make the money and I get less traffic thanks to competing with others for the same stories.
- Robert Scoble
For instance, Louis was there. Where's his "coverage?" I only attended one or two things, but hung out with my friends most of the time (or my wife). I followed a lot on Twitter, though, and didn't see any real news that made me say "oh, I have to write about that." The few things I saw I liked on FF so my readers would see them.
- Robert Scoble
maybe all the good bloggers stayed home. ;)
- Cyndy
Robert: I'm now siding with you on Micro-blogging = blogging. Thanks for the summary, hugely helpful for a Corporate soc med guy like me to hear your take on trends (even in 140 bits)!
- Alan Edgett
Maybe all the good bloggers ate roast beef, or maybe they had none, or maybe they went wee wee wee all the way home.
- Jason Carreira
I think conferences like these are mostly useful in the way that they connect different bloggers in real world so that they can share experiences and even more like get feeling of community. Also, could be great way to get new friends and learn about different things. As for topics of blogging, many people write about wide range of topics but still have some specific things that they mostly cover. It's about what you and your readers are mostly interested and that depends on what type of blog writer does.
- Daniel Schildt
And does it really matter if conference had or did not had some more of really popular megastars of blogging? Events like this don't always have to be hyper. The most important thing is people, whoever they happen to be. Everyone learns something when talking to different people interested of writing about different subjects even if there wouldn't have been any of the panels.
- Daniel Schildt
Robert, I wrote a blog post about blogging a little while ago for LouisGray.com and it ended up on the front page of Techmeme, so I disagree as well that blogging about blogging reduces traffic. It's all about learning to write good posts - you can really write about anything with good content.
- Jesse Stay
Robert, the last few posts I've put on the site have mentioned findings from the panels I attended or participated in, and referenced them. But no, I didn't recap the panels myself, so partially guilty as charged.
- Louis Gray
I've got notes from Louis's panel I'll be posting tonight, btw
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
I blogged about on one ourI blogged about on one our daily vibe today. The panel with Tim Ferris was blogged by daily vibe today. The panel with Tim Ferris was blogged by Rohit Bhargava. http://blog.vibemetrix.com/2008...
- VibeMetrix
from twhirl
yuck. I don't know what Twirl just did, sorry about that :/
- VibeMetrix
from twhirl
test - http://test.com
it's a test
- Virtualgoodz
Mahalo.com Being bought by MS??
Chris Heuer, Mark Douglass, sean percival and 17 other people liked this
What? No.....
- Pat Hawks
are you sure??
- Fred Grott
MS will not get Yahoo and they need some search winner, why not Mahalo.com?
- Fred Grott
Heard something similar, but it was TimeWarner
- Ken Sheppardson
Microsoft trying to buy Mahalo would make sense but, I doubt it's true. I haven't heard anything close to that.
- Candace
lets see does Jason have a recent to valley trip planned?
- Fred Grott
Wait a second, Microsoft just bought Powerset. Why would they go and buy yet another search engine when they just acquired one?
- Candace
link to source?
- Matthew Wayne Selznick
@CandaceHolly because microsoft is confused over what they are? at least that is what the internet would have you believe :D
- The Geek Media
Will it be MSN Mahalo or Windows Live Mahalo? :)
- Morton Fox
I think this might have contributed to the rumors: http://scobleizer.com/2008...
- Robert Scoble
yeh right!!!
- Jeremy
request for source generates sound of crickets chirping
- Matthew Wayne Selznick
@Matthew - A google shows no sources at all. I think it was more an open ended question backed by a reason that we're not aware of yet.
- Candace
As If !!!! But microsoft is on a spending spree when it comes to search engines, remember? And there was that indicator from Scobles interview linked above, remember?
- Roberto Bonini
weird how jason isn't in on this discussion!
- Gavin
But notice that Robert Scoble is
- Fred Grott
I just Twittered Jason, but I don't expect him to comment. Most CEOs won't comment on rumors unless they are true, and even then, they usually comment on their own schedules, not someone else's.
- Robert Scoble
That said, if Microsoft bought Mahalo and Powerset that'd be the first signs of a search strategy inside Microsoft in years. It'd be smart to do.
- Robert Scoble
Where is jason when you need him
- Akshay Dodeja
This simple FF question is going to snowball into a blogging rumor mill within 12 hours. I'll bet money on it.
- Candace
I heard it was Pfizer or Nabisco
- MG Siegler
Hum, I guest Stevie is anxious to buy anything and everything that is associated with the word "search"
- Shane
Maybe someone should set up a Rumor Mill room on FriendFeed.
- Mike Doeff
It's on the Internet so it must be true.
- Charles Barthold
Powerset is shown to work great on factual, structured data. Why wouldn't Mahalo with its human editors and coordination + Powerset be an excellent combination?
- Mattie
I hope it's true, Jason congrats if it is!
- E.B.
guys be serious a minute, if MS want to buy technology (cuill?) not grotto-workers
- Virtualgoodz
it would make sense and would be inline with this: http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008...
- nik
i don't know any reporter who would run this as a post, unless they're shooting it down as an example of an unfounded rumor. we'll see who writes a post entitled something like "Rumor: Is MS buying Mahalo?" personally, i've run stories that i've doubted, but i've always had more to go on than this, and i very heavily qualify myself. if anyone here wants to write a rumor-mill post on this, be my guest -- but you'll experience the backlash that causes reporters to not run such unfounded stories. geez.
- Eric Eldon
@ Mike Doeff: Done- http://friendfeed.com/rooms... . @Robert Scoble - think wider: Live Search + Yahoo + Powerset + Mahalo = very compelling search offering.
- Roberto Bonini
Grotto-workers?
- Lon Harris
from twhirl
Who says a reporter would cover it? I said bloggers. Big difference considering the majority of bloggers aren't journalists. As far as this rumor..first, we've had zero source to go on. Second, not one word from the person who would know for sure. I chock it up to a rumor but..I think this rumor is about to get fun.
- Candace
@Candace - A rumor that makes sense!!!
- Roberto Bonini
@Roberto - a rumor that makes sense is still a rumor. Though this would be a great experiment. How much of a buzz could a rumor on friend feed start? Hmmm...
- Candace
ok sure, this is a fun conversation. i can think of some other ones, too, like this http://digg.com/comedy...
- Eric Eldon
If Mahalo is snapped up by Microsoft for some undisclosed fee, it will be a clear signal that Microsoft is on the warpath. Startups everywhere, beware!!!
- Roberto Bonini
At least GOOG would have access to the Vatican Library. That'd go a long way towards their goal of organising the worlds information.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Seems a bit crazy...
- Alex Barredo
@ Alex: Ain't nothing too crazy to be true.
- Roberto Bonini
@Jason Shultz. At least I'd be able to do Google searches to learn what's really inside of the Vatican Library, instead of relying on Dan Brown novels.
- Eric Eldon
he was on Leo's TWiT last night....
- Tanya
seems like it would be a smart move by MS, hedging bets on the future of search by investing in a variety of areas, which is more than google has done recently
- craig
No comment.
- Jason Calacanis
Three more Tesla's for Calacanis... lol
- John Denver
no comment means yes. If there were no discussions then calacanis wouldve just said no. Gotcha Jason:)
- Grant
or "no comment" means come visit Mahalo... driving traffic
- Adam Hansen
very curious indeed. i'll see if i can get the inside scoop....
- mike fabio
I can't believe there's this much discussion on this without any comment from anybody. Incredible.
- Charlie Anzman
I can't believe people still think Mahalo is a search engine. Jeez, it's a wiki/directory with a search feature. Edit: and lately, it's been more of a current news/blog than anything else.
- Paul Short
life is grand...
- fijidaddy
The other night I actually was pondering this very acquisition idea. Though I've never really used Mahalo for anything, I enjoy Calacanis and Mahalo Daily. Is it search, wiki or news?
- THX152
and the train has left the station... the comments, rumors are flying at "friendfeed" speed.
- michael sean wright
=D
- sean percival
THIS TIME Jason is ALSO going to take the money.
- Rob Sterling
/me envisions Mahalo Live! lulz
- rob friedman
Unlike. Fake rumor. See >>> http://www.parislemon.com/2008...
- Mike Reynolds
everyone I Qik'd today did not believe it was live. Oh, and wait until I show off Qik running on iPhone.
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I'm excited to try Qik on my iPhone, too.
- Liana Lehua
Does it require a jailbreak or will it be on the iTunes App store?
- Bwana ☠
it requires jailbreaking for now.
- Robert Scoble
I love Qik, I just can't figure out how it's going to make money.
- Dino
me neither
- Virtualgoodz
I can see it monetizing its product in much the same way other video services are monetizing their products: either interstitial advertising or overlay advertising.
- Mark Trapp
Cannot wait for Qik live on iPhone! Been waiting for a while. Didn't know if it would show up or not without a native Apple-made video function.
- Andrew Dobrow
if i could just get invited to qik i would love it, looks awesome! btw, will they have a native app for iphone software 2.0 or do we *have* to jailbreak?
- Ivan Stegic
I don't have an iPhone... too luxurious for the 3rd world.
- directeur
Not worth jailbreaking my iPhone for... Maybe when they have an SDK app
- Bwana ☠
Is the Nokia camera better than the iPhone?
- Aaron Myers
That just might be the tipping point for me if I can run Qik and Flixwagon on an iPhone. I've already been promised one for Father' Day!
- Larry Kless
No
- hiuihi
The Nokia's camera is way better than the iPhone.
- Robert Scoble
finally! neeeeeed qik for iphone!!!
- Dieter Schwarz
I hope they will release their iphone app to general public very soon!
- Leon Ho
this will be awesome, at last a good reason to join Qiiiiik! ^^
- Dan H. Racek
i want to see your qikroll...and please,please don't have it be repeated rick astley videos...
- George Lee
from twhirl
Huh? Though it didin't do video ( err, at least the software doesn't)?
- Roberto Bonini
Its logical to assume so if its only avaliable as a hack. If Qik can SDK their app, thats the last of my hassles with the iPhone 3G gone.
- Roberto Bonini
flixwagon are doing live iphone streaming too - http://is.gd/vUX.
- Robert O'Callaghan
Needs a jailbreak. So not any better than Qik
- Roberto Bonini
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