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urdumania1, vovasty, Johnny and 121 other people liked this
ha nice!
- Wesley Barrow
from '95
- Paul Buchheit
Summer intern?
- Mike Doeff
Yeah, Sanjeev was also there that same summer as it turns out.
- Paul Buchheit
Crazy.
- Eric
oooh look at how young and cute Paul is! :) very cool that you saved this! What was your job title then (intern for ______)? What location did you work at? Does that # mean you were the 39,325 employee hired by M$?
- Susan Beebe
I bet I could find mine if I tried, too.
- Gabe
I wish I still had my Apple badge. They made me give it back when I left.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Do I sense a meme coming?
- Chris Lamprecht
Yeah, unfortunately I don't seem to have any pics of my Sun badge, so I can't collect the whole set :(
- Paul Buchheit
bummer! collection is busted
- Susan Beebe
my work badges are boring white - no logo..nothing - designed for max security I guess
- Susan Beebe
Gary, Paul and I both worked in Redmond. Paul worked on Plus! Setup.
- Gabe
Oooh I remember Plus! that was really cool and made Win95 rock!
- Susan Beebe
Ex-PM in Developer Tools here. Visual J++ for the um, ...
- DeWitt Clinton
Maybe it would be more efficient for everyone who didn't work at Microsoft to raise their hand.
- DeWitt Clinton
How cute ;)
- Bindu Reddy
I worked on Win NT, debugging OLE. It was pretty bad because the NT OLE code was fine; all the bugs were in 16-bit OLE apps. There are few things worse than debugging interactions between two 16-bit apps you don't have the source to!
- Gabe
Wow, 16 bit OLE. Why didn't you force everyone to use 32bit Word and Excel? It would've been very Apple of you.
- Eric
Yup, Redmond. I think I worked in building 4, which may not exist anymore, and lived across the street at "Timberlawn". I worked on the installer for "Plus Pack for Windows 95".
- Paul Buchheit
Eric, it gets worse: one of the first apps I had to look at was Ichitaro, Japan's #1 word processor at the time. It sure would have made things easier if I could have forced everybody to only use 32-bit English apps!
- Gabe
Awesome, Paul.
- Christopher Sacca
I tried, and I can't remember my ORCL employee number any more! Does that mean I've finally put it all out behind me?
- Tudor Bosman
My Intel WWID was 10599476, but I get the feeling that they added at least 10,000,000 to the employee number to generate that value.
- Paul Buchheit
I've already forgotten my Google employee number. I think my Yahoo! number was right around 9000...
- Kevin Fox
Ok here's a picture of my current ones I mentioned - sorta boring white plan ID badges http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Susan Beebe
haha, cool... And I didnt even know that I´m apparently the only person on friendfeed who hasn´t been a summer intern at Microsoft
- Peter Efland
At least they gave you a top-30 number at Google :)
- Charlie Anzman
Once again proving that you're "kind of a big deal". Nice badge!
- Randy Holloway
from twhirl
*swoon*
- Yuvi
I wonder if it was some kind of foresight to hang on to your old Microsoft badges, but not your diplomas.
- Clare Dibble
Nice, a blue badge. I consult for Microsoft and have an Orange badge.
- Alan Le
Wow! I was there that same summer interning for "Office Team Manager" I must have started a week or 2 before you as my employee number was 39207.
- Joe Beda
I think I returned my badge, so I can't remember what my employee number was. I worked on porting the standard ms installer from windows to the mac.
- Private Sanjeev
Sanjeev - a worthy cause for sure! :P
- Susan Beebe
It was a piece of code that Ben Slivka wrote to produce cab files :)
- Private Sanjeev
#39325 @ Microsoft. #23 @ Google. Do you have an ID at Google? ;)
- AJ Batac :)
My MS ID was #38440 @ Microsoft... There were around 17k employees when I joined in 1995.
- Steve Lacey
Microsoft badge #36419, joined 6/94
- peter
You seem very happy in this picture. There's still so much hope and optimism in that face.
- April Buchheit
Old school.
- "Joey"
Bubbling entry to make the Microsoft people (http://friendfeed.com/paul...) feel better (or worse) :)
- Paul Buchheit
Bubbling? Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
- Gabe
those are nice glasses :)
- bob
They are nice glasses, aren't they? Maybe I should switch back.
- Paul Buchheit
:D
- Susan Beebe
cute Paul :D
- Nimaa
You look not unlike Bill in that photo.
- Kevin Fox
The Era of the Faceless Giant Corporation Is Over - http://blog.louisgray.com/2009...
Nathan Snyder, Tom Stocky, Vishwajith and 8 other people liked this
Switching browsers is a big deal for many people (change is bad), but installing the latest Flash plugin so that you can play games, watch videos, etc is normal. This is why the "Chrome Frame" plugin is a great idea. Now they need to add some "must have" features to HTML5.
Michael Leggett, Vishwajith, Rodrigo Jaroszewski and 60 other people liked this
Absolutely... I hope they'll offer it in .cab form as well so it'll be a simple click-to-deploy solution.
- Matt M (inactive)
A brilliant strategy... MSFT left with just the frame.
- τorƍue
Next up: Chrome OS inside of Windows.
- τorƍue
one of my predictions was right! (it should also totally go into Google Toolbar) http://www.satine.org/archive...
- Charles Ying
This is fantastic news for developers and really opens up the potential to innovate.
- Daniel Shaw
Chrome 3 still has drawbacks..no roboform support and xmarks support. Also, flash does not work on a number of sits. Firefox kept freezing(ver 3.0013 to 3.53) so I tried Flock and it uses all my old extensions and is fast.
- earl wallace
from twhirl
Chrome frame will just tick people off: "you need a plugin to view this site" ... and then you just show them what is basically just a plain old website?
- Joel Bennett
I like digg's strategy of displaying a warning of possible funkyness to users visiting the site with IE6. Wouldn't [click here to remove funkyness] do the trick for most people?
- no name
It looks like Wave refused to be slowed down by older browsers and requires the use of Chrome-frame for any interaction with the app: http://googlewavedev.blogspot.com/2009...
- no name
"and then you just show them what is basically just a plain old website" No, using it for plain old websites would be annoying, but there are uses -- like Canvas animations -- to which there is no good plugin-less alternative. So then it becomes the choice between different plugins. (Of course Flash is more widely distributed at the moment, but some developers may prefer Canvas + JavaScript.)
- Philipp Lenssen
Are there any good uses for Canvas animations? Or any really good uses for Canvas at all? I'm at a loss for situations where SVG wouldn't be better.
- Gabe
my flash will not update!
- Lizajane
should I like it, star it, share it or share it with note ? never mind I will just send it to twitter !
Vishwajith liked this
Caffeine sandbox has been back up for a few hours now, if you want to resume searches on it: http://www2.sandbox.google.com/
polou/indigo_bow, Sebastian, Vishwajith and 13 other people liked this
I can't keep up with all this googly stuff. *runs over to the All Things Google room*
- Laura Norvig
Damn, that is fast.
- Matt M (inactive)
Wow!
zeroinfluencer, sha-mayn teh, Daniel Rowley and 98 other people liked this
yep
- Jenna Bilotta
Paul, we'd all love it if you'd tell us how long we can keep using FF as is. A lot of the bitching and whining might stop.
- iTad
Wow that was fast !
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
I second Tad as will several hundred others, you created a mob engine and now you have to answer to it.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
feel sorry for this acquision
- kang
Congrats on the acquisition, y'all!
- Adam Barker
If Friendfeed's a "sharing service", how about sharing thoughts about its future with its users? ;)
- Jack&Cleo
Paul we are really glad that you are making money with your fantastic product. Congratulations. We are just a bit concerned that Facebook will integrate more feeds and real time search and leave the community in the dust.
- Keith - @tsudo
Jack++
- Tanath
v. awesome! congrats paul and company!
- zhanna
If I'm not mistaken, this brings Mark's collection of 2003 Googlers very near completion. ;) Congrats, guys.
- Jared Jacobs
No way, Jared, not even close. ;-)
- Daniel Dulitz
from iPhone
wonderful :) and congrats
- Chirag Chamoli
I like seeing which ones are purple and which ones are blue. :)
- Louis Gray
Totally groovy!
- david beckwith
Seriously... share some info that this community can value. We know you guys are diggin' all this, but, as far we can tell, we're all about to be divorced from each other. We need details, TODAY!
- Brad Williamson
@Brad: Divorced? Do we get 50%? ;)
- Jemm
You missed one or two important clicks :)
- Charlie Anzman
@Jemm Nope! At this point, all you get is a swift kick in the ass ;-)
- Brad Williamson
Until the sellouts start opening up to the community they helped create, I'm hiding each and every bragging entry from them.
- JCunwired
++jcunwired
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Looking at all of the text in that image reminds me of FriendFeed.
- Hugh Isaacs II
well deserved PB
- Thomas Power
Yup, huge news. Well deserved coverage.
- DGentry
PDF Download: Super Secret "How to Guide" for FriendFeed, prior to the real-time push. Who wants me to update this?
urdumania1, Nicolas Gosset, Daniel Rowley and 117 other people liked this
And if I take the time to update this for the current site, should the eBook be free? $2? $5? You tell me.
- Louis Gray
you mean this is out of date already?
- Lindy Asimus
It was out of date immediately. But if there is interest from the community and others, I can bring it up to date. (There are many pieces which still are valid, but FriendFeed innovates quickly)
- Louis Gray
I do. On first glance, in its current form, it looks exactly like what could actually be the catalyst for me to actually use FriendFeed. Updated, would probably seal the deal.... Now I just need to find the time to read it thoroughly. Hmmm...
- Joel Strellner
I notice a lot of people I know on Twitter and other networks not yet on Friendfeed. This is a very handy document. Update would be very good.
- Lindy Asimus
Twitter is getting so popular in these day but i think most people dunno about the advantages of friendfeed. For me it's Twitter 2.0 and i think you would help a lot of users with it. I also believe in the power of free, even though i would definitely pay for it. Like Joel Strellner said, seal the deal and make more people understand friendfeed.
- Sascha Pallenberg
FF is powerful, major adoption is yet to come!
- Jonathan Fleming
Louis: looks like a really valuable FF guide, well worth a small fee (like an iphone app), say $1.99
- Geer
great piece of work Life's Good with Louis Gray
- Thomas Power
This is great! I'll pay $5 for the updated version, but you might be able to sell twice as much copies by making it $2.
- Masatake E. Hori
awesome !
- kazuhiko
Masatake E. Hori - Twice as many sales at $2, or half the sales at $5; I vote for half as many sales at $5, He'd make more money for less hassle. ;-)
- Joel Strellner
50% price cut would probably result in a lot higher sales than twice as many. Check out Jeff Atwood's blog article about price points. http://www.codinghorror.com/blog... - "50% sale = 320% increase in sales"
- travispuk
There is still going to be a certain portion of purchases from the current FF community, even if it is just to show support for this type of work and Louis. Same reason why FF'ers purchase FF t-shirts etc.
- travispuk
thanks ! But 62 pages of how to just show that FF is not enough #easysimple
- Jacopo Gio
Thanks, this helps. Just coming out of the sitting up stage, making some tentative attempts at crawling: As a new user, I would not have read this if I had been asked for hard payment. In the economy of social media don't you 'pay' with the wisdom-value of your comments and by allowing yourself to be a number on a friend-list?
- Sally Relton Shakespeare
Think of an affiliate plan so that current users can make it available to those not using FF already? Some may be teaching social media to non-onliners.
- Lindy Asimus
Louis - Great job. I'm a huge FF fan and still am finding some very cool tips on how to utilize it. Thanks!
- John: @johnhaydon
I was going to ask when you were going to release this. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Sounds cool. If your trying to get people to adopt and see how cool FF is then it should be free.
- Dusty Edenfield
from iPod
Well ... there goes another book I don't have to finish :) It's a start Louis and much needed.
- Charlie Anzman
Wow, great stuff. I didn't know if its existence before. Rather than updating this all by yourself, wouldn't it be better to turn this into a community-maintained wiki?
- Meryn Stol
What Greer said.
- Josh Haley
Louis: its a very good source thanks. Do you think it makes sense to make this guide like a FriendFeed Wiki so anyone can contribute and changes adopted easily ? Or its not worth it ?
- Jacque
Quick comments: I worked on this at the beginning of the year and would have issued it much earlier, had the planned site revamp not been coming. Part of the reason for its length is that I wanted to be comprehensive, I tend to write a lot, and I included tons of screenshots. Also - the intended audience is not necessarily us, but those who know of FriendFeed, but need a boost.
- Louis Gray
Guidance I received while making this earlier this year was to not give it away for free, and I understand the opportunity for some premium content. As this is antiquated, there is no harm in having it out there for free, but I would make the next one very inexpensive so it gets in the most hands as possible. (Based on this response, I think you guys see value in revamping?)
- Louis Gray
Jacque, if anybody else wants to start a how-to Wiki for FriendFeed, that's great, but I still think you need resource guides that are easily consumable.
- Louis Gray
Louis, first off, I love the drewscancer shirt. Second I think you should update it. I wouldn't charge more than $5 but you could also ask for donations. Just an idea. Great book though.
- Seth Goldstein
I would not buy it but I would download this one and read comments on the new one 8)
- Ru Viljoen
Yes Louis we do need a much more detailed version even though this edition is excellent. If FF is Twitter 2.0 which I agree it is then few people (100k max worldwide) have even realised this yet. Linkedin and Facebook are fading away into general background noise like Yellow Pages. You know it's there but so what.
- Thomas Power
Only half way through it and already found some very useful tips.
- Silver Hage
DEFINITELY YES! I would buy it! I have been on FF awhile and I still am not using it productively - same with LazyFeed- I love both of them but forget them. I have a Seesmic Desktop App - can we talk Loic into adding FF to it? that way it is in my face!
- Robyn Hawk
I now understand how to use the hide functionality better thx.
- Ru Viljoen
I was wondering about this project, Louis :) I think there is value in updating it some and offering it at a very reasonable cost for those who plan a foray into FF - haven't seen much else out there in way of explaining the tool, etc.
- Valeria Maltoni
Are you trying to prove Scoble's point? Why does FriendFeed need a 61 page manual?! :P
- Tim Hoeck
This could be done in 6 pages. But it can be done better, with screenshots, in 60.
- Louis Gray
Make sure Scoble is happy with the UI instructions. :)
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
I would pay $20 if profits went to #blamedrewscancer
- Liza + = ?
Roberto, I am not too concerned about Scoble being frustrated today. He is making a point and FriendFeed has a good track record of listening. They have an interesting issue where their product has many different functionalities in a world when people are used to not having choices.
- Louis Gray
Robert also knows that by complaining, it gives naysayers a good reason or excuse for why they are not here. It's not an issue with PR but picking your battles and stage.
- Louis Gray
Fantastic. There are tons of hidden gems in Friendfeed that most people don't know about. If they did, they'd be hooked for life. I do like Meryn's suggestion to make a wiki type section like this.
- Adam Reyher
from Alert Thingy
Louis - why not a video - better than a PDF.
- Liza + = ?
I was considering writing my own book, very complete & thorough, taking people from total newbie to power user, and including enough info that even current power users might get something from it. I had also planned on releasing it for free, CC-BY-NC-SA
- April
I'd prefer it in html.
- Sue - Friendfeed is best
Louis - Think book (you read that right) targeting NEW users if you wish to profit from this (with free online updates as things change). Most people still won't pay for an e-book .... and there's still plenty of (smart) people roaming Borders, B&N etc (and the online book stores, not exclusive of Amazon). That was my target, just got real busy here with other stuff.
- Charlie Anzman
Great work! I have sent a small payment via PayPal. Please inform when you are ready with the updated version and I will send you some more money. All the Best, Martin.
- Martin Lindeskog
Windows Live Mesh to be renamed Windows Live Devices - http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=6683
Vishwajith, Ali, Susan Beebe and 6 other people liked this
Ick
- Cliff Gerrish
from iPhone
Microsoft's marketing department seems schizophrenic sometimes.
- mikepk
Boring name, great service..free too.
- Dale
I like(d) Mesh too. Windows Live Devices is boring, although descriptive.Another oddly named MS product I was noticing today is the new Natal control for the 360.
- Dale
They have a knack for un-branding
- Francine Hardaway
Its better than "Bing Devices" :)
- Vishwajith
Wow. Spotify is so cool. I have yet to find a song or artist it didn't have. INSTANT on-demand music.
sebastian☆rocket brother, JR, Felipe Aneudi Campana and 53 other people liked this
I've been using it for a few months (here in the UK) and it really is a brilliant service. I've been an occasional music torrent downloader, and Spotify has almost wiped this out.
- Chris Nixon
I can see that, Chris. Downside would be that it doesn't go portable (to iPhone, car, etc.) but on the laptop, this is pretty darn impressive.
- Louis Gray
It's also great for re-visiting artists older artists which you have long since forgotten.
- Chris Nixon
Exactly. Hence my searching for Jesus Jones, EMF, Information Society, etc.
- Louis Gray
Have they opened it up to the US now?
- Spidra Webster
Apparently the iPhone app is brilliant...but I really have my doubts as to whether apple will approve.
- Chris Nixon
Does it have MJ Megaremix by Michael Jackson? I have only seen that on CD thus far (which I own)
- Jesse Stay
It's on the "You Are Not Alone" Single
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I can't see it on there.
- Chris Nixon
(Listening to Planet Claire by B-52s) :)
- Louis Gray
Nice - I broke Spotify :-P
- Jesse Stay
I assume you're in the US, LG, so are they now offering it here?
- Spidra Webster
Jesse: There is quite a lot it doesn't have...I'd say about 1 in 10 of MY searches...but they are adding to the library every day.
- Chris Nixon
To Spotify's credit, I have yet to find a service that does have that song in electronic format
- Jesse Stay
I am in the US. It is not yet available here.
- Louis Gray
(Listening to Billy Idol, Dancing With Myself)
- Louis Gray
rats. Well, thanks for letting me know.
- Spidra Webster
Louis: I'm listening to http://open.spotify.com/user...
- Chris Nixon
Post is up: http://www.louisgray.com/live... (Love it so far)
- Louis Gray
curious yet skeptical regarding availability of a few artists i listen to. apoptygma berzerk, skold, iscintilla, birthday massacre, emilie autumn, hednoize, psychohed, kidney thieves, mdfmk etc... they're typically not on many library-style music services that try to be comprehensive. but again, i'm not on spotify's private beta to make an informed comment.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
210 tracks from apoptygma berzerk. 18 from skold. 0 from iscintilla. 27 from birthday massacre. 1 from emilie autumn. 0 from hednoize. 0 from psychohed. 0 from kidney thieves. 11 from mdfmk.
- Louis Gray
sweet :) just saw you updating that in realtime. thanks for the info!
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Louis: It's about to go portable though. The iPhone app is due to come out in the coming week and the Android app is quite far gone as well.
- Gabriel
Looking forward to it, period.
- Louis Gray
blackfeathers: Like you, I listen to a lot of subgenre-music and underground stuff, and I don't find everything i want, unfortunately. But the surprising upside to this is that I've come to discover a lot more music that I like when I'm forced to find "alternatives".
- Gabriel
Now I am listening to apoptygma berzerk. :) your fault... sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
- Louis Gray
It still lacks the catalogue for me but I listen to lots of not so popular artists and songs. It's a great service though, I've been playing with it again this week.
- Kol Tregaskes
I'd like to be able to bring in your local MP3s also, on network drives etc. This is actually the main reason I still use iTunes. Enjoy the service though for music I have not purchased in my own catalogue.
- travispuk
But if you want free music you can't complain about Spotify! I wish it had a recommendation engine though and the ability to import your other playlists and re-create them, as best it can, in Spotify.
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, I thought it had playlist sharing... couldn't this be a defacto recommendation engine?
- travispuk
It's still not available in India. Sad. :(
- Faraz Mullick
Bob Dylan is gone from Spotify. Too bad.
- Rubin Sfadj
from iPhone
Travis, sorry I meant like the Last.fm recommendation. It recommending new artsts/songs based on our playlists or tracks we've 'liked'. I'm always after new songs. Their 'radio' is very random.
- Kol Tregaskes
And I'd like to have my playlists from iTunes ported to Spotify - I'd rather not manually recreate them all again.
- Kol Tregaskes
Yeah I understood what you meant, but couldn't people just have a playlist in Spotify called 'Song Recommendations', then share that. Other users would then be able to look through the recommendations. I agree though a good recommendation engine would be beneficial.
- travispuk
It's amazing isn't it... be better if there were slightly less adverts though... I'm too cheap to pay the premium rate.
- Rich
Re the adverts, you can sort of get around that by clicking on a new song rather than let the playlist do it for you... I know that it sort of defeats the purpose, but if you are too cheap to go premium or listen to the ads then it does provide a workaround ;)
- travispuk
Travis, yeah user's recommendations would be nice too.
- Kol Tregaskes
Aaah, now you have said user recommendation I now understand properly what you meant earlier (and realise that I did not understand it properly earlier ;))... you are talking about something like iTunes Genius etc.
- travispuk
Yep. While on iTunes Genius does that only recommend songs in your playlists only or should it recommend songs I don't have? When I select a tune and hit Genius it lists other vaguely related songs I have already. It would be more useful if it showed new songs.
- Kol Tregaskes
As for it's catalogue, I tried to recreate my 25 tunes of the moment: http://ff.im/6diug and it only had 13 of them. It's missing the likes of Boxer Rebellion - Misplaced, Snake River Conspiracy - Breed and The Prodigy - Warrior's Dance. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
I cannot get because it says it's not available in my country.
- Damond Nollan
spotify song recommendation / discovery works really well with 3rd party websites like http://sharemyplaylists.com/ you can also cut'n'paste the playlist urls to share like this one spotify:user:iamnottheenemy:playlist:3LWd6ZTnj5lg7tqEAW4eJm
- Ian Crocombe
Ian, me and a friend also made one of those: http://listopify.com its fairly basic, but it has a "like" feature which i will admit was very inspired by friendfeed :)
- Lasse Johnsen
Spotify is a cool service but there are too many ads for now ...
- DAL
Not available in Canada...
- Yanik Falardeau
How is their metal section?
- metalerik
Spotify's library does hold a lot of song. Some millions, I read somewhere on their blog. But it definitely doesn't offer all my favorite albums and songs. Most main stream bands are in there, but more indie musicians and especially cd's from before 2000 are missing.-- Still, it's defintely the best desktop music experience at the moment. :-) And I'm looking forward to the forthcoming Android and iPhone apps!!
- roel
keep hearing great things but happy with iTunes
- Thomas Power
try to find french music, you'll be disappointed!
- Sophie Domingues
I just loaded SimplyTweet too. Very nice and more features than Tweetie. Will try others for a while too and give a report @mikeerickson
Vishwajith, Patrick Hall and Roberto Bonini liked this
For iPhone or desktop?
- Christian Anderson
from iPhone
@Christian - It's an iPhone app. No desktop version that I know of.
- Grey Drane
So is simplytweet good then?
- Edgar Rodríguez
from iPhone
I like SimplyTweet a lot.
- Robert Scoble
twitterific best for me so far. I tap for coversation and double tap for a profile
- Walter Logeman
Walter - Yeah, I'd like to see SimplyTweet implement some of Twitterrific's UI ideas, too, like double/triple-tapping and tapping links directly in the main feed view (without having to view the individual tweet full screen). I think Twitterrific has the slickest interface, but is still missing some important features, and I suspect it might cause battery drain/heating on my phone (happened a few times after I started using the app and hasn't happened again since I stopped).
- Grey Drane
I haven't tried SimplyTweet. DL'ing it now.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Well, a landscape keyboard and landscape mode in the in-app browser first off. Push notifications, too. Viewing follower lists. I guess these are the main ones, but there are other little things, too, like hashtag inserting and Posterous support (which could be a biggie, but I'm still just playing around with Posterous).... (Note: these are all things SimplyTweet does that Twitterrific doesn't AFAIK.)
- Grey Drane
from IM
Sigh. Apple's iPhone won't upload videos to YouTube. I'll complain more about this here:
Ahmet Soyata, Vishwajith, ozero and 16 other people liked this
So, it compresses, it seems like it's uploading, but then it fails and says only that it can't complete the upload. This happens over and over. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't.
- Robert Scoble
Talking of which, no background processes, either.....
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
The thing is, it happens on both WiFi and 3G. It happens if you turn off WiFi. It doesn't seem to matter how long the video is.
- Robert Scoble
Is this an iphone, network or youtube issue?
- Sean Scott
And worse, when it fails, you have to reenter all the metadata about the video again to try it again (title, description, etc). Aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh. This feature was definitely not debugged. Not to Apple's quality level. I guess this is what happens when Steve Jobs takes six months off.
- Robert Scoble
Sean: who knows? There's no information. I assume that because it happens on both WiFi and 3G that it's not a network issue. And, since I've never had a YouTube upload fail otherwise I assume it's not a YouTube issue. That leaves the iPhone. Buggy!
- Robert Scoble
Been trying to tell you about TweetReel geez ;)
- Colin
Apostol: I'm very close to getting an Android.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe it's linked to the Twitter DDOS thing? I'm still under DDOS lockdown.
- Colin
Colin: no. It has happened to me ever since I got the iPhone, not just in past week.
- Robert Scoble
Colin, you mean http://www.tweetreel.com/ -- but why should I have to pay $2.99 to get functionality that's already built into my phone? Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
I just tried uploading a video from my Iphone to YouTube and it worked. Might be AT &T problem? I am in Canada under Rogers contract for Iphone service.
- Shawna Bergen
Well, it seems to work for me. Go figure: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Carter ♥ HTML5
I can tell that my suggestion to sync the vids using iTunes and then upload is stupid. But yeah. Yet Another Apple Complaint
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Apple provides hardware, developers provide some of the software, that's the way it works with some things.
- Colin
I have not tried this feature, but having a 3G it's kind of moot anyway.The iPhone/AT&T juggernaut gets increasingly underwhelming with every passing day, every new "feature". I'd be on the Pre by now, but can't stand Sprint. Going to have to wait. Meanwhile I may just buy a regular phone to do things that phones do, you know, like make calls without getting dropped all the time.
- Laura Scott (@lauras)
I'm in the U.S. but I'm 99% sure it used my WiFi connection to handle the transfer.
- Carter ♥ HTML5
Apostol - What's the "best" Android option at this point (from a generally satisfied iPhone user but someone who really likes Google's tools and openness). . .?
- DaveFriesen
Colin: TweetReel doesn't upload existing videos, unfortunately. Carter: yes, sometimes it works. Which is why this is ultrafrustrating.
- Robert Scoble
Send your vids to Posterous
- Dominic Jones
Robert, it sure does upload existing videos heh.
- Colin
It's been happening to me for weeks too! Also uploading to MobileMe fails most of the time. And there is no 'retry'
- Cameron
As long as you still have them on your phone, right now Apple doesn't give a way to copy videos back to your phone (3.1 it may however)
- Colin
@Apostol I was just lusting over a few unlocked HTC Hero's to replace my iPhone. You might have put me over the top.
- Sam Harrelson
Yep, I've been waiting out for the Samsung or even the "cheap" Motorola Android's that are supposedly coming soon. Having had an iPhone for a while, I'm (at this point after the App Store mess) more concerned with using a device made by a company that treats me like an adult :)
- Sam Harrelson
I have had similar issues - but only with bigger files
- ben rogers
Apostol: Gotcha, thx for the info. Looking more like the Hero then!
- Sam Harrelson
Robert, I use new and old video to upload to youtube from 3GS all the time. Only issue is if I try when it flips to Edge.
- Alan Ashley
Is it a long video, because I just uploaded a short one 36 sec. without any trouble
- Kim Landwehr
Kim: it's about 3 minutes long.
- Robert Scoble
Kim, I can't even upload a 15 second with a fail...
- Cameron
Use Pixelpipe for video uploads, you can send videos up to 200MB directly from the phone (without re-encoding) to over 50 services of their +100 support destinations
- Brett Butterfield
Weird, must be a hit or miss thing not good.
- Kim Landwehr
What also sucks is that there is no option to choose whether to upload the standard 4:3 footage or crop to 16:9 for upload. Although I guess it doesn't really matter if you can't upload it! :-)
- Cameron
On a related issue: Does anyone have trouble playing YouTube videos on their iPhone over WiFi?
- Barak B
If people are still having problems uploading to YouTube from iPhone, please direct message me w/ approx date/time and YouTube username so I can look into it.
- John Harding
The Case Against Apple–in Five Parts « The Jason Calacanis Weblog - http://calacanis.com/2009...
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Should Browsers Block Ads by Default? - http://technologizer.com/2009...
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Yes. Or at least give us an ad-blocking extension. This is the thing I miss most about Chrome from Firefox (though I prefer Chrome's minimalism.) [Edit: position later changed to "no," but they shouldn't block ad blockers either. We should have tools that we can turn on if we want. Some popups and some websites are downright annoying.]
- Justin Long
But then how do those who use the net for a living earn that living then?? its a personal choice.. I don't want the browsers deciding what I see..
- Rob Sellen :o)
I agree but there should be a checkbox??? I just think it should be easier than it is now. I *do* appreciate Chrome's blocking of popups. That's the sort of ad I hate most. I don't mind Google's text ads, but I do mind big garish things. And I hate websites that are little more than ads.
- Justin Long
No, and stop stealing from me by blocking ads. I have to pay for webhosting somehow. Don't like my ads, don't come to my site. I love you all.
- Bwana ☠
No, though easier controls would be nice for the masses. The bigger issue though is we need some serious reform in how the ad-tracking industry operates.
- Tinfoil 2.0
No. That is how people make a living.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Guess I'm changing my answer to the same as Logical's. "No, but easier controls would be nice."
- Justin Long
No. I see it as morally wrong, which is why I don't use an ad blocker. If I don't like an ad, I don't pay attention to it.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
No. It's how a lot of small sites support themselves. If it wasn't for a few bad sites with ridiculous amounts of untargeted ads, we wouldn't need ad blockers at all.
- Jan Ole Peek
TeraDyne - why would you see an adblocker as morally wrong? what about fast forward on a TiVo?
- Justin Long
Justin, fast-forward on a TiVo is different assuming you pay your cable or satellite provider and don't just use it for off-the-air broadcasts.
- Tinfoil 2.0
I don't have a tivo but my father-in-law does. He pays for DishTV. But there are still ads. Is it morally wrong to fast forward through the ads on a show? Why?
- Justin Long
What is the difference between "not paying attention to an ad" and "using an ad blocker"? I just don't get the comment about it being morally wrong.
- Justin Long
This is something I predicted would happen in 2008, and it didn't. I hope somebody does it, but it's unlikely in my opinion.
- Louis Gray
It's the only thing keeping me from using Chrome
- Alex Scrivener
I have no qualms about fast-forwarding through TV ads, particularly since I'm paying a premium to get satellite service to begin with. But I probably I wouldn't be so aggressive about blocking internet ads if the tracking wasn't so invasive.
- Tinfoil 2.0
While we're at it, let's deliver half of our content if a browser blocks the ad. No, how about a 1/3. We'll call it even.
- Bwana ☠
Holden, wouldn't it be great if a Web browser had a checkbox to on/off ads, just like it does for popups or cookies?
- Louis Gray
Ads? What are those? Seriously now, I can't remember the last time I clicked on an ad. It's not that I don't want to support this and that blogger, I really do. But my brain seems to have created a filter. I don't intentionally ignore ads each time, on each site, but somehow I don't see them. So maybe that was meant to be past tense. I do use ad blockers. Not because of text ads,...
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- Vlad Bobleanta
Are you talking about ANY ads Louis?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Yup.
- Louis Gray
Bwana, today's ad blocking people are not usually the target psychographic anyway.
- Tinfoil 2.0
For all using Chrome: http://adsweep.org -not developed anymore, but still works decently. Successfully blocks at least 50% in my experience.
- Vlad Bobleanta
This discussion sickens me
- Bwana ☠
Justin: I also don't use a Tivo, but I hardly ever watch anything on TV. The difference is that a lot of websites are run by people who aren't being paid for their work, while TV shows have a budget and are kept alive by the viewers.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
I see... well to me in my opinion the best ads don't look like ads anyway ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I am agreeing with Bwana.. people NEED to make a living, we are not all so lucky as to be being paid by others...
- Rob Sellen :o)
As for the making money argument, maybe it's time for content creators to move past this one. EXCEPT the text ads.
- Vlad Bobleanta
No. If you want to get good content for free, suck it up. Don't click on them if you don't like them. But sites need to do a better job at laying out ads. If you compromise on your reading/watching experience by having intrusive ads or ads taking up more prime space than content, your site will suffer.
- The Fat Oracle
what did i do to deserve this? what else would you rather i did for a living? perhaps report on tech news but take money in exchange for saying nice things about companies?
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Marshall, let's charge $12.50 for 5 words
- Bwana ☠
Bwana, I have to agree. It goes to show what scoiciety is like. They want "something for nothing".
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
Louis... can I say you wield that wooden spoon so well ;o) kudos.. :-D
- Rob Sellen :o)
I suspect it will be difficult to get Google to implement this on chrome - NoScript is a staple of mine for FF, hands down best script!!
- walidmREALTOR
Ads go... internets die... simple...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Kamath: Agreed. Bwana: deliver none of the content if an ad blocker is used, if you so please. Or pull a Murdoch as you suggested. No one is going to stop you.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Microsoft will clearly never do it in IE, nor will Google. That leaves Firefox and Apple, and I leave it to your imagination to itemize the pressures these organizations would be under not to do it.
- Tinfoil 2.0
You guys want to rob content providers and smile while you're doing it. Fine. I don't have to like it and I will say something about it.
- Bwana ☠
But for those who insist on the moral or whatever other reasons ads should be tolerated... put some pressure on your ad networks not to use annoying ad styles and to trim way back on the tracking data (cookies, Flash LSOs, etc). Then it becomes not such a big deal with a lot of people. Simple and comprehensive ad blocking will never be in the mainstream browsers, and those who go out of their way to add blockers are not your target audience anyway.
- Tinfoil 2.0
If you don't like my ads, don't come to my site. It's that simple.
- Bwana ☠
I'd say let people turn off ads after a set amount of time on a page. I want to see the ads just not all of the time I am on a site with long form content.
- David Sandey
from Friend Deck
What RIGHT do you have to block someone's INCOME on THEIR site/blog??
- Rob Sellen :o)
Holden, I always am willing to pay for good products.
- Louis Gray
Bwana, who in this thread has ever sent you via your blog any money?
- Louis Gray
You have. And if you block my ads, I'll gladly return the funds :)
- Bwana ☠
Holden, that you are supported by ads on your blog is an illusion.
- Louis Gray
With full RSS feeds and increasing content in social networks, viewing actual blogs is presumably on the decline anyway, so bloggers will have to evolve and find new revenue models.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Louis: +1. but to answer the initial question, I don't think brothers should fiddle with the design and "content" of the sites they show by default. Plugins are good enough for me. And anyone who wants to block ads knows about ABP and such.
- Vlad Bobleanta
I don't think the browser has any business blocking ads out of the box. Blocking ads is not an exact science. It's not like disabling Flash or CSS. Now, a plugin blocking ads is just fine. I understand the arguments about messing with someone's livelihood, but I think I also see what LG is getting at here.
- Rah-PM 2012
LE: Precisely.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Which is why I get an Adsense for Feeds check
- Bwana ☠
Justification doesn't make it right. There is no gray (no pun intended) area here
- Bwana ☠
That's great for you Bwana, seriously. That's a good adaptation that I suspect gets through to people.
- Tinfoil 2.0
No. Ads are the secret juice that funds much of the internet, leaving it free for all to enjoy.
- felix
Thank you Andy. That's MY point
- Bwana ☠
If the sites overdo it, don't visit. Don't use that as justification to block ads everywhere.
- Bwana ☠
1) I didn't write this post. Others did. 2) I wrote a long post quite a while ago about how the common "I blog for ad revenue" model is broken for most people. 3) I will pay for good content and services. 4) I think having an option to turn off ads - all ads - would be a good move. 5) I still like Bwana anyway. :)
- Louis Gray
My most controversial post on this topic from the way back machine: http://louisgray.com/live... "Most Bloggers Don't Deserve Any Ad Revenue"
- Louis Gray
ad blockers should notify the site they are blocking ads from to give them the option to limit content
- Rafael Robayna
Rafael - that's my thinking. Welcome to shareware on the web
- Bwana ☠
None of this is personal, but Louis knows, when I feel passionate about something like this, I'm not going to bite my tongue :)
- Bwana ☠
Here's another point on this from back in 2007 when I saw ad revenues on the Web were going to hit a wall (which later happened). http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
No, or I should pay for the site's maintenance.
- Erfun
Andy: If the content is unique enough, and not available elsewhere for free (I realize that's saying the same thing twice), people will pay. But 99.999% of content is not unique enough. Sorry.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Subscription models failed because people were generally cheap when it came to the web. "Everything is free or else we'll find a way to get it for free" I know there's a lot of folks who would pay and honestly enjoy it. But there are those who WILL justify: 1. Stealing the content and reproducing it elsewhere (THE WEB SHOULD BE FREE!!) 2. Not pay at all and consider me a money hungry wolf 3. Launch a campaign to smear my name
- Bwana ☠
And since they justify it, they don't see any wrong in it.
- Bwana ☠
Are ads a problem for someone here ? I mean ok, ads should not be the main income for bloggers and startups but it helps, secondly do people really care ?
- stanjourdan
@Andy: actually kachingle.com has an interesting model of paid subscriptions which I find very promising, and have shown that a substantial part of the web reader population is willing to pay for the good content they consume.
- Stephan Osmont
For what it's worth, I do not block ads with any third party apps on any of the browsers I use.
- Louis Gray
Stanislas - I believe some take extreme cases and apply it to everyone
- Bwana ☠
@Bwana : ok, did i miss something then ?
- stanjourdan
Not really, some people care more than others
- Bwana ☠
Louis: Suure... :)
- Kevin Arth
no
- Wayne Sutton
I just listened to a debate, where people argued about the power of default settings; because many people keep everything set to default. I think when ads become less of a boring interruption and more value focused, people will be fine about them. Right now though Louis, most ads just get in the way of what I want to read or do online.
- Jim Connolly
In France there is a startup called GeekBooster that offer to place ads for blogs in blogs pages. The concept is that clicks does not make you earn money but points that enables you to place your own ads on others blogs. And that's cool because you can discover new blogs. Probably a detail, but i like this service and it would be a shame for everyone if it was blocked. Sight
- stanjourdan
JIM: especally the ones that pan across your screen and block or obscure the content.
- Kevin Arth
Wow! I just came back after a brief lunch... this was quite the enthusiastic conversation!
- Justin Long
I simply don't understand this moral outrage people get upon seeing web ads. When you watch TV (which many of you are also probably paying for) do you scream at the commercials? When you read a magazine (which you've probably paid for) do you place your hands over the ads? Why is it that when you browse a website - for free - (whether or not you believe it deserves to get any sort of revenue) and there's a banner there it's a huge problem that must be fixed by ad blocking?
- felix
Moral outrage is the wrong word. But yes, when I see commercials on TV, I skip them with TiVo. When I get commercials on the radio, I change the station, or turn on Sirius Radio (Commercial Free) from the iPhone.
- Louis Gray
when ads come on TV i flip channels. but then i'm usually watching PBS so pffft.
- Joe The Sausage
Yeah!
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
@louis - if it isn't moral, than what sort of outrage is it? You are opposed, on what grounds, to being shown ads on an otherwise free website?
- felix
In general is not seeing ads on a page (banner blindness is documented) really so awful that it would be worse than putting most ad driven websites and services behind a pay wall?
- felix
I have no problem with ads, as long as they don't interfere with the overall experience and don't spy on me/follow me. Unfortunately, that's increasingly rare.
- AllisonWagda
My main gripe against a lot of ads is the speed penalty they impose. I tried running Firefox without AdBlock Plus running and Google Reader was siginficantly slower as well as many websites. If you watch whats loading, its not the site, but the ads that are slowing things down.
- William
Not by default but the ability to install adblock is desirable to me. Not everyone has pretty ads like Bwana. I also agree with the slow loading issue of sites with many ads. It completely kills a good web experience when you visit a site and have to wait for a doubleclick server to sent you that drug-you'll-never-use ad which, when it finally does load, blinks incessantly next to the first and fourth paragraph of plain text you are trying to focus on.
- Dale
i don't use ad blockers either.
- Edgar Rodríguez
I just want to be able to block slow ad sources. Sometimes the ad loading adds up to 2 minutes in page load time. It sucks. If I see I'm waiting for one source, that isn't the content source, I should be able to block it. Or weed it out simply.
- Andrew
No, in many cases I prefer ads than having to pay for content. With the amount of reading I do I would have to be very rich.
- M F
If browsers start blocking ads, simple websites would try to block access to such browsers, the sophisticated ones will make it impossible for such browsers to distinguish between content and ads. At the end of the day, an ad is html & javascript. Its not very hard to fool such a browser.
- Vishwajith
btw, ads can be useful and add value to the page.
- Vishwajith
I wonder if Mike Arrington will need to make changes to CrunchPad because of Google's new OS?
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Would be pretty late in the production cycle for that wouldnt it?
- Geoff Schultz {TF}
CrunchPad looks pretty similar to Google's OS, very simple, very web centric. I wonder how Google shipping netbook OS will affect Arrington's plans?
- Robert Scoble
Are there pics of the Google OS?
- Jeremy Franklin
Mike is gonna bring out the first Google OS powered hardware ?
- Swaroop
Geoff: yes, but maybe CrunchPad 2.0 would shift because of it?
- Robert Scoble
I don't think the compelling feature of CrunchPad is its OS - it's the form factor. He won't lose anything by putting it on the CrunchPad as soon as it's released.
- Matt M (inactive)
hmm, thought that u have 2 plug into the USB and doesn't have much memory on its own? I may be wrong cuz I didn't get much info.
- polou/indigo_bow
I am looking forward to both launching. CrunchPad has a great form factor as well. We haven't seen anything from Google OS yet.
- Louis Gray
Swaroop: I doubt it, because CrunchPad needs touch features.
- Robert Scoble
well it will be open source, so I wouldn't be surprised if the innovations flow both ways - my understanding of the crunchpad is it is also based on Linux - so you might see features merge between both platforms...
- Shannon Clark
Shannon: yeah, I wonder if the CrunchPad OS could be ported to the Google OS? If so, that could be a big win for Mike.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Browser == Java script == Capture Mouse movements == Integrate with Crunchpad hardware ?
- Swaroop
I bet it could, because CrunchPad OS is built on Linux and I bet it won't take much porting work to move it to Google OS.
- Robert Scoble
@All - May be Crunchpad emulator on Google OS :)
- Swaroop
crunchpad is silly and only gets press because its Mike Arrington's baby.
- Zac Bowling
Robert - my point is that potentially as well Google may be porting features from the Crunchpad - the beauty of OS platforms...
- Shannon Clark
Ah, I do like crunchpad much better perfect 4 my Canadian-ness eyes.
- polou/indigo_bow
Zac: I disagree. I want a CrunchPad. It looks interesting to me as a coffee table computer. A poor man's Microsoft Surface.
- Robert Scoble
In any case, I bet Michael's time spent on Crunchpad just went from 75% to 100%. Or at least it should. Getting caught slacking while an opportunity awaits is no good.
- Sam Dodge
Zak from the photos & features descriptions, I'm pretty darn interested in buying a Crunchpad - seems like a very useful formfactor and device
- Shannon Clark
my initial reaction is: "do we need another OS?" even more to the point, Chrome browser is still quite a ways from done (mostly plugin problems) and i've not seen a lot of progress in this area. my suspicion is that the OS will go the same route. big splash on the easy 80%, but slow going on the remainin (difficult) 20% i remain optimistically skeptical.
- MikeAmundsen
I'm pretty sure I'm going to pick up a freelance gig just to purchase a Crunchpad. If only to support Mike and his team as they take a huge leap from reporting on tech to making tech.
- Sam Dodge
Robert: Curious to what's on the coming monday.
- Swaroop
Swaroop: I can't tell you until Monday.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: *Waiting...*
- Swaroop
OS define by Google isn't really an OS at all its like going 2 7-11. Anybody agree or disagree?
- polou/indigo_bow
Oh, you are a tease Robert! Do tell, we won't pass it on, promise! ;)
- Technogran
I think that Google Chrome OS lowers the barrier so that a lot of other companies can deliver their own pads. As such it is not a great news for Mike but it also validates the vision so may be a competitor might be interested in acquiring CrunchPad
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Robert: We won't let Google index what you say. nofollow
- Swaroop
Edwin: will CrunchPad ship with a "Google inside" sticker on it? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Time to market is everything....
- Chris Reichow
Robert would they need a chip maker lol
- polou/indigo_bow
Robert: we had something like CrunchPad inside TI when I worked there a few years ago. not a resistive touchscreen but it was pretty cool. concept device to pitch the OMAP processors to the hardware vendors we designed in house. Nokia bought into it and created the 770, N800, and N810 devices from that tech.
- Zac Bowling
man i hope he uses it on the crunchpad instead!
- sean percival
With that form factor, it needs a wacom tablet and windows 7.
- Rodfather
I think that the bigger opportunity for the crunchpad is to enable other media companies (not Techcrunch) to buy the technology and create their own pads (everyone wants to replicate the Kindle model for their own content). The problem of Google OS is that it slice the Crunchpad in the middle.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Mashable have an article on: will Google kill Windows? http://mashable.com/2009..., seriously, we need more competition not killing them off!!!
- polou/indigo_bow
Rodfather: I disagree. There's a new opportunity to get rid of installable software and go completely with Internet platforms. That's why CrunchPad, Jolicloud, and Google's OS are so interesting.
- Robert Scoble
Google won't kill Microsoft. They don't need to. They need to open up new opportunities.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I am still scared to put personal data out on the cloud. Is it time already ?
- Swaroop
Robert they need to use cloud, therefore still would not solve the problem of storage.
- polou/indigo_bow
I still want the option :) GoogleOS will run on anything. So it'll naturally make it there.
- Rodfather
They do not need to kill Microsoft but they need to change the terrain of the fight from search to productivity apps and OS and they are doing a good job at it.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, I disagree, what is interesting about the Crunchpad is delivering a form factor that is better for many people than the Kindle (or at least a much better price point) I'm going to get one to use for lots of digital reading. Swaroop - pretty much all of my personal data is already in the cloud - and more secure there than on my computers in an earthquake zone
- Shannon Clark
is there the reason why there r SSL ways 2 purchase or other ways to keep data safe @Swaroop
- polou/indigo_bow
@Shannon. Form factor is cool but that is a pure hardware business, mostly outsourced to asian manufacturers and very thin margin. The software is where the barrier to entry and business models will be.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Shannon: My confidence is shaken when a lot of personal data/docs get exposed due to flaws in software. We just need a "skynet" kind of bot to auto check for vulnerabilities.
- Swaroop
@edwin the software is open source - which means that anyone can use it. the margins, though thin are real if you do hardware right. Sure outsourced, but high design & a competitive price can equal very large sales so small margin still equals decent profits (and sustainable business)
- Shannon Clark
@shannon: so do you mean that Google Chrome OS will not reduce the barrier to entry for companies wanting to create their own XXX pad?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
no I mean the Crunchpad & the GoogleOS are both based on Open Source, so the competitive advantage of the crunchpad is hardware design, not software (as far as I know from what I've read)
- Shannon Clark
polou/indigo_bow: Yes data transfer and storage could be encrypted. We need better identity management too
- Swaroop
yup current identity identification issues r not my favorite, OpenID not all perfect even though I am a big fan of it. Its so hard to work with, grrr @swaroop i could say more but thats all 4 now.
- polou/indigo_bow
unless they have already licensed some of the patents covering the more popular touch idioms using GoogleOS would give them a broad-base multi-touch API to work with that has deeper pockets to fight the patent battles
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
well this may sound strange - but I suspect more than a few patents could (potentially at least - I'm not a lawyer) be invalidated by prior art in the form of movies like Minority Report (and likely other earlier but less popular SF series & movies) which showed multitouch type of interfaces
- Shannon Clark
more copyrights problems cuz of the mighy $$$. that left the big boys again, isn't it?
- polou/indigo_bow
No mention on price...I wonder if google will go for the free + ads model. Imagine ads running on the desktop, along with annon. usage statistics, how much more will google know?
- Thomas Hunsaker
from Android
@thomas why assume they will run ads in/on the OS - I'd guess that like Android they offer it for free (or for a very marginal cost) to OEM's, bundled with a bunch of default links to Google properties (esp Google search as default) and profit from expanding the number of people & devices connected online. Add in revenues from selling cloud based packages such as Google Apps for Domains and they make money w/o ads on the desktop or privacy issues
- Shannon Clark
Thomas: why wouldn't Google Chrome OS be free?
- Robert Scoble
Thomas: You would have it Google Chrome OS Beta under Google Apps. And yes there will be a lite version where you can only run a single process :)
- Swaroop
Great discussion. I think Mike should not adopt Chrome OS for crunchpad to begin with. I don't even think Chrome OS would be polished by the time he plans to launch crunchpad. I think Crunchpad launch could set the bar and direction for what Google Chrome OS should/could be. In terms of usability, we still don't know how Google Chrome OS could play out. I think different initiatives such as Chrome, Crunchpad and Jolicloud will help this ecosystem,.
- Akshay Dodeja
I'll get a CrunchPad only if Chrome OS is in it
- Hendra
CrunchPad and ChromeOS are fundamentally distinct, seeing as they run completely different browsers (Firefox and Chrome, respectively). They will be able to share apps, though, as Google has stated that apps will work in any HTML 5 browser.
- Vezquex
Vezquex: why is the CrunchPad limited to Firefox? When I saw the CrunchPad I saw nothing that would limit it like that and that dependency, if it exists, is probably easily worked around.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - my guess is that as Firefox is one of the only browsers currently available for Linux that is what Vezquex is thinking - however with this announcement I suspect we can guess that Google will be announcing Chrome for Linux rather soon (which likely means for Mac OS as well)
- Shannon Clark
maybe he was in on the big secret and crunchpad is the first device running chrome os?
- Servaas Schrama
Thought I read the crunchpad has a webkit browser ... Not firefox - at least not by default.
- Jonathan Greene
from iPhone
I agree with the browser as the OS but why would I want a pad that I have to lift my knees up to see when I can have a lap top that I can tilt the screen to fit any position I fell like stretching out in? The price point is going to have to be low, low, low for this form factor to take off.
- Stephen Pickering
Scoble, Why you want to discuss this, when we have other worries. Running adobe in chrome, UI etc
- Michael_techie
Hello…? reality check. Is there a CrunchPad on the market? Is there a $249.95 CrunchPad on sale? Quit talking of it as it it were a done deal. It it anything but, and the promiseware may yet end up in TC Deadpool before it has shipped a single unit. Takes a bunch of geeks on FF to discuss implications of porting "CrunchPad OS," hell, emulating it even, on Chrome OS, before either has passed into the domain of the real.
- ianf ⌘
@Shannon Clark [suspects that] "more than a few patents could (potentially at least - I'm not a lawyer) be invalidated by prior art in the form of movies like Minority Report (and likely other earlier but less popular SF series & movies) which showed multitouch type of interfaces." - you are confusing Hollywood with Real Life, which I suggest you get a dose of, the latter.
- ianf ⌘
It's all Linux, and I suspect that crunchpad if it even has an OS uses it too. Swapping out one Linux for another is relatively easy if you've got the source and the hardware information. <3 the Linux Virus, an OS that runs on almost all known hardware, and even as a x86 BIOS for instant ON.
- rob friedman
@dodeja "I think Crunchpad launch could set the bar and direction for what Google Chrome OS should/could be." Puuhlease...get real, what have u been drinking?
- Hendra
I wish Mike luck with the pad but it's just not the right form factor for me, just a little too big from what i can tell. My ultimate would be like a 6" screen. With a device this size you have to decide if you are going to finger or thumb type. Anything in between is going to be awkward.
- Keith James Designs
actually no. If a work of fiction depicts an innovation (especially stuff like UI) that could certainly be prior art. The point of a patent is to be INNOVATION - prior art, even in fiction, is just that - earlier examples of someone else having the same idea. And in the case of Minority Report - a LOT of people contributed to build those interfaces & design ideas - see http://www.lukew.com/ff...
- Shannon Clark
Shannon, you win. Please be sure to report back here (minority- or majoritywise, either will do) on any patent application contesting case, where fantasy GUIs cooked up for film-clarity reasons –it's never an easy thing to show off on a cinema screen– are entered as exhibits of "prior art," therefore either invalidating, or denying a patent. I'll wait by the computer until next Tuesday, do we have a deal?
- ianf ⌘
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Live now: The Gillmor Gang with Steve Gillmor, Mike Arrington, Hugh McLeod, Andrew Keen, Kevin Marks, and Loren Feldman. http://live.twit.tv Discuss here...
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how did he die ?
- John Hillestad
legal herion ?
- John Hillestad
I don't wanna sound smushy but the world would be a worse place without Arrington, don't care if you guys love him or hate him xx
- David Lloyd
Oh, just found this chat... thanks
- Tina Chase Gillmor
wow
- Karoli
kevin's link into live.twit.tv breaks
- Karoli
my thoughts and prayers go out to his friends and family. also wish long life and good health to all of TWiT Army
- Andrew Johnson
HI FROM GEORGIA GLAD YALL ARE OK
- daveccorey
wow
- David Lloyd
wow...
- Chris Heath
I know serious Leo, that's serious Leo.
- Mike Lewis
this will be news [edit: and it was http://www.google.com/search... & http://news.google.com/news... and personally I think Gawker had pretty good coverage of the whole dust-up http://gawker.com/5282089... ]
- Chris Heath
no drama leo
- Chris Heath
by that logic every person who revierws a product would be biased
- David Lloyd
Techcrunch SUCKS!
- Jason Hansen
wow!
- John Hillestad
I'm so happy!
- Jason Hansen
wow - just wow
- Devin Baines
shortest gillmor gang ever
- Karoli
lol that was classic
- Chris Saad
Wow, social media drama!
- imabonehead
/me applauds Leo for standing up to Arrington's crap
- Omar Egan
Wow, I never saw Leo get mad before. That's a first.
- Dave
Leo blew his top!
- John Hillestad
It's about time someone put Arrington in his place. He is always so cocky!
- Jason Hansen
man i only just caught the end - what happened?
- h1ro
I missed it too
- Simon Wicks
about time
- Jim Posner
OMG
- Steven (optionshiftk)
arrington accused leo of being biased b/c he got a review Palm Pre
- Karoli
Props Leo
- Nick Rae
Arington said Leo was biased because he has a review unit, Leo is the ULTIMATE ethical tech journalist. FUCK YOU ARRINGTON
- David Lloyd
Leo got a review Pre & Arrington was giving Leo crap about it.
- Jason Hansen
Leo for President
- Matthew
what a shitty move from arrington - leo would never do that sort of a thing he is always so upfront
- h1ro
wow. missed arringtons part but saw leos reaction twit live is running reruns.
- Kiran Patchigolla
Kinda felt that one coming for a long, long time.
- Mike Lewis
Arrington should not disrespect Leo on his own network
- Steven (optionshiftk)
The problem with arringtons argument is that every single review unit in history must mean ervery reviewer was biased
- David Lloyd
wow
- Tina Chase Gillmor
wow from condolences to troll in under 10 minutes. arrington needs to take his meds.You rock Leo
- Andrew Johnson
Arrington's an asshole
- Devin Baines
What jealousy can cause. +1 Leo
- David Schmidt
@Michael that was indeed quite an over-reaction
- Chris Saad
relax people... let's leave the name calling out of here
- decjr
Mike just proved his bottom feeder business model by attacking one of the most trusted people in tech
- Matthew
Sorry about that guys, but I've have enough of Arrington's trolling.
- Leo Laporte
michael arrington Leo always discloses that info
- Andrew Johnson
got funky hold music on calliflower
- Kevin Marks
Mike, I agree, that should be disclosed, but the tone indicated bias and it was disrespectful!
- Mike Lewis
You have nothing to apologize for Leo
- Matthew
Leo is not for sale, fuck you king of the trolls, you always think you are right
- David Lloyd
You did the right thing Leo!
- Omar Egan
as much as Leo maybe right... he really should be more professional....
- John Hillestad
@leo i don't think anyone that knows your work would *ever* think of you not being a stand up guy on disclosure
- h1ro
Totally out of line Arrington-if you did your research you would have seen that Leo gave a fair review of the pre-he didn't say it was 100% perfect
- Harvey Birdman
nothing like factions to spice up a 10-minute Gillmor Gang episode. ROFL
- Karoli
No need to apologize Leo How you feel and how you react id your right no worries
- Erle Stride
Seemed a little uncalled for, I think Arrington was justified in asking to get the facts out there, but then again, I don't know their relationship to each other, maybe Arrington was being rude, maybe there's a code you guys like to follow.
- Colin
did i miss something?
- Kevin Marks
I agree. Leo has a history of owning Palm products and he was happy to see the Pre possilby bringing Palm to life again. Never once was it a biased comment. It was him being honest. My friend has a Pre... I have an iPhone.... people that don't have an iPhone or don't want an iPhone, the Pre will be a great choice. Arrington is a jerk.
- Jason Hansen
yes Kevin
- Matthew
the audio should go viral soon
- Jim Posner
Kevin, yeah. A small nuclear implosion.
- Karoli
Professional? It's his network!! He doesn't have to put up with Arrington's crap. In any event I think Arrington needs to be more profesional and stop all that thoughtless crap he says all the time.
- Omar Egan
Why are you confused Arrington? Are you serious?
- Jason Hansen
well, that was interesting.
- Chris Pugh
Hehe - this the Real Time Web in action, that's fo sho
- Devin Baines
you exist only to cause conflict mike, thats your purpose in life
- David Lloyd
Mark, that's kind of harsh. Just sayin'.
- Karoli
You rock Leo - don't take that crap. Arrington is a troll and just trying to bait you. Stick to your guns on this one.
- Mike
Just like to say I love what all of you guys do, laying your opinions out there and getting into heated discussion, I wouldn't like it any other way.
- Colin
@Michael u do lots of dick things to amuse yourself - but this wasn't one of them heh - total over-reaction
- Chris Saad
thats the point ...its HIS network... storming off mad is not professional..... as much as Leo was right to be mad , he should have just cut him off....
- John Hillestad
michael arrington doesn't seem to be able to not be in provocative mode when talking about products and services - leo called him out when he said "what are you gonna do about it?" so leo did something about it... kinda sux cuz i was liking the gillmor gang, but i respect leo laporte for standing up for himself in this instance even if it was a big misunderstanding
- Chris Heath
apologies if i overeacted xxx
- David Lloyd
Jeez, I leave for 20 minutes and miss it? you have got to be kidding me. This live stream approach is pissing me off.
- Aron Michalski
It's his network, running Arrington's show... Leo did the right thing.
- Omar Egan
Leo would have disclosed it was a review model. There was no need to accuse him of being bias just because it was a review model. Leo might have over reacted a little but Arrington was questioning his honesty and Leo maybe over enthusiastic but he his not dishonest.
- Kim Landwehr
I'll be uploading the audio here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
as we are all effectively coming into leo's front room, anyone should be polite to our host
- h1ro
yeah, why would Mike say "What are you going to do about it"? is he really that caveman-ish?
- Matthew
kim they were talking about how it was a review model...
- Chris Heath
Any chance we can hire someone from the Zapruder family to document this stuff?
- Aron Michalski
Chris is right... Why would you ask, "What are you gonna do about it?" That was very childish.
- Jason Hansen
@jason who said that?
- h1ro
I have been so frustrated with many of the people on the Gilmor Gang, but someone needs to be talking about this stuff... [edited/retracted part of this comment] ... I don't think Leo should to take over, I just think something needs to happen to get the show refocused on the content and not the personalities.
- Joel Asaro
Guys, Leo is human as is everyone. I'm not familiar with the previous relationship that he had with Michael, but he's probably having a bad day and got annoyed to be mistreated by Michael just like he did. I also dislike when people have prejudices against others. Furthermore, Leo was planning to buy his Pre a long long time ago. The fact that he got a review unit in does not make him biased.
- Paulius G
Its kind of funny I turned on Twit Tv and all I got of the show was that last minute.
- zephyrlily
If the Mike Arrington supporters ever bothered to watch Leo's shows, they would have seen he has stated it was a review model and even stated he will probably stay with his iPhone. So get a clue
- Harvey Birdman
Joel, I love Leo, but he should absolutely NOT take over Steve Gillmor's show.
- Karoli
cliff - please call me if you can
- Tina Chase Gillmor
the thing i was most excited about leo hosting the gillmor gang is that there might be some decent production values!
- h1ro
I agree with Kim Landwehr. I have never been able to find a moment in which Leo has been dishonest .. keep workin' it Leo!
- John Blanton
tina - which #? d msg me.
- Cliff Gerrish
Waiting for the TC post :)
- Chris Saad
im sure mike will make a post out of this yes :) he will have a provocative title and claim he did nothing wrong
- David Lloyd
Joel, that's TWiT (on sundays)
- Chris Heath
Arrington - Leo said it was a review unit. To start spinning it that he may be "influenced" on a guy who's spent his entire career being an ethical journalist was unnecessary... especially when your hosting your show on his network. I know its in your nature but bro, that's not what the show is about - get a pause button. Stop burning bridges.
- Thusenth
I'll miss Mike Arrington =(
- Colin
just wild to hear Leo Laporte say "Fuck you"...he must've been brewing for awhile.
- Karoli
Karoli - i was shocked too!
- Chris Heath
yes, it was brewing for months
- David Lloyd
Went downstairs just as everyone was signing on - came back up and it's over - :p
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I think that's the first time I've seen angry leo
- Chris Pugh
Mike Arrington, has a way to trip peoples trigger, he seems to get a kick out of it. Like it makes him a big man.
- Kim Landwehr
Well, come on.... Arrington has been an ass for how long?
- Jason Hansen
What's next a 5 minute NGL @ 3am PDT?
- Aron Michalski
Wondering if somebody minds if we put the recording of this, shortest ever Gilmor Gang onto YouTube?
- Mike Hellers
I won't miss him.. The show is always better when Arrington's not on the show anyways.
- Omar Egan
years no doubt :p
- David Lloyd
I agree with Leo 100% here. I would have said this in the IRC chat, but would have been booted.
- Jason Hansen
I feel bad for Steve and Mrs gillmor tho
- David Lloyd
Go Leo! :-)
- Moobie
Is Tina Gillmor still in here?
- Jason Hansen
Aron, a 5-minute NGL at any time of day would be more than what it is now. LOL
- Karoli
Leo spends a lot of his own money on products to be sure that he doesn't "owe" manufacturers anything. Even his advertisements are only for products he uses and likes himself. He only requested this unit because he records today, the day the Pre goes on sale, so he couldn't go out and buy one. If Leo is biased about a product or a company it's because he genuinely likes it. It's something Leo takes very seriously, and he had every right to be upset at someone impugning his honor, rightly or wrongly.
- invariant
hello
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Kind of like telling a friend his kids are ugly while crashing at their house for the weekend...don't be surprised if you are shown the door.
- Jim Posner
very true, invariant
- Eric Florenzano
good point invariant
- Chris Heath
hey Tina - sorry this happened
- Hilary Talbot
Tina, I have a good feeling this will work itself out :) I think that boiling point just needed to happen and cooler heads will prevail :)
- Mike Lewis
Did the show start at the top of the hour?
- zephyrlily
Incredible: Someone already updated Arrington's wikipedia page with a short description of the incident http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Steven (optionshiftk)
The Mike: Arrington will never change.
- Jason Hansen
Iunno invariant, I still think the question wasn't that crazy, and I was interested in the answer until I realized it really upset Leo.
- Colin
I would be upset at having my integrity challenged too.
- Karoli
love you tina, you are a top chick xxx
- David Lloyd
I JUST POSTED TO YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Mike Bracco
Jason, agree, which is why you won't hear Leo and Mike together on GG anymore.
- Mike Lewis
Tina.... MWAH. I'm coming your way next week...
- Karoli
thanks @Mike Bracco
- detorn
I think Leo is officially in the Gillmor Gang!
- Wo
RETWEET: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- David Lloyd
Karoli - let's get together when you do
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Colin - I'm not necessarily saying Mike was wrong to ask, I'm just saying that I could understand Leo's reaction.
- invariant
I'm very shocked... for the record
- Tina Chase Gillmor
In my best cartman voice "I'm taking my network and going home."
- Paul E. Ester
crazy that this happened just signed up on ff to participate in the show
- Will Fifer
What happened? - J. Gilbert
- Joe Gilbert
I'm sad my GG was cut short. It's my favorite show of the week.
- Wo
Hmm, I just re-watched the Youtube video, Arrington saying, "What are you going to do about it?" was childish heh, Leo called his bluff.
- Colin
yeah the "what are you going to do about it" from arrington probably not a great move
- h1ro
Just watched the video again - Seriously, Mike did nothing wrong heh
- Chris Saad
re what happened Arington said Leo was biased because he has a review unit, Leo is the ULTIMATE ethical tech journalist
- David Lloyd
If I was not there to see it live I would guess it was staged.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
He never said he was biased - listen carefully - he just said let's get the disclosures out of the way and mentioned that Leo was one of the few to get a demo unit - that's it
- Chris Saad
it was not staged, the anger was real
- David Lloyd
Leo always seemed to be above the GG shenanigans but it's nice he's now down to the GG level. I respect that.
- Wo
I thought Leo was being facetious
- Steven (optionshiftk)
If things didn't get broken once in a while I might not think you guys were actually fighting, so keep it up! lol ;)
- Colin
So I take it there isn't going to be a Gillmor Gang this week?
- Dave
I think the "what are you going to do about it" was the kicker
- Chris Pugh
I really hope it's not the end of TGG on TWiT.
- Wo
GG is not dead, it will be back
- David Lloyd
just not on twit
- David Lloyd
realtime web ladies and gentlemen, friendfeeded, twittered and youtubed within ten minutes of the incident.
- russtbarnacle
well Paul, Mike did ask Leo what he would do about it. He did something. He cut his ass off
- russellcoleman
@chris i think the "what are you going to do about it" wasn't exactly a calming move - more a troll move
- h1ro
Chris, remember Mike was not watching the video, so he though Leo was being facetious
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Damn, I slept through the Gillmor Gang, sorry Steve (I flew back from Virginia this morning and was dead tired.
- Robert Scoble
yes russelcoleman haha
- David Lloyd
got it on facebook too @russtbarnacle
- detorn
Leo took his ball and is going home.
- Wo
arrington has been a complete assclown on the show before
- Moose
you missed a classic Scoble
- David Lloyd
lol
- detorn
it takes alot to upset Leo, i mean REALLY pset Leo
- David Lloyd
Now this is really getting Web 2.0, even the Robert Scoble is here!
- Paulius G
@Robert you can re-watch the whole 5 second show here http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Chris Saad
@scoble http://www.youtube.com/watch... action replay
- h1ro
This had been brewing for a while.... It was only a matter of time.... Leo defended himself and was correct in doing so, It`s his network and his credibility which was questioned.
- David Peralta
russtbarnacle - do you see any irony in the claim of the real-time web youtubed, friendfeeded, twittered and archived? LOL
- Karoli
Maybe Scoble could have calmed Leo down.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
GG will still be on Twit as long as Mike isn't on it
- zephyrlily
Dan is censoring the irc chat room...
- John Hillestad
I was looking forward to the Pre discussion.
- Wo
Before Thursday, Leo had said that he intended to buy a Palm Pre as soon as it came out, but that he'd like to get one a bit early, if possible. His radio show is on Saturday and he wanted to have one to review during that show. I don't think he gets review units very often; this one was something of an unexpected surprise. I think he only got it on Thursday.
- Troy McConaghy
Robert Scoble - call Steve in 10 minutes or when you're alert
- Tina Chase Gillmor
hundreds of peopel are watching this thread btw in real time
- David Lloyd
I suppose it's just me, but seriously, half the time this show is "real time real time" and Scoble screaming FreidnFeed, power to Leo
- Chris
NO MORE GILMORE GANG NOT ENOUGH RESPECT TO THE MAN PROVIDING THE SERVICE
- Daryl Brown
think Leo was beyond calming down, it was weeks of little snide commentsb y arrington that exploded
- David Lloyd
was great a few weeks ago when Loren made Arrington cry and go home
- Moose
Leo really is doing a tremendous favor donating his time to broadcast the GG. After a 3 hour radio show, who could help but be cranky.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
the incident : http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- John Hillestad
Gillmor Gang continues. It has been around for years before twit
- Tina Chase Gillmor
HAHA, awesome, Leo put the Pre unboxing video on!
- invariant
Tina, wasn't it supposed to record on Friday at 3?
- Karoli
Mike will apologize and that will be that. Leo felt insulted and it seemed to be a misunderstanding. Arrington respects Laporte and Laporte respects Arrington.
- Wo
I just watched the video. GG will survive, but without Arrington. - Gilbert
- Joe Gilbert
Thanks to whomever posed the incident; some things never change.
- Aron Michalski
Sounds reasonable Mark, and I remember that Moose. To be honest, it's Leo's network and he can do as he wishes, and if you throw torches in his house, he's bound to crack eventually. Glad to see this up again, I missed it.
- Chris
not angry at you or Steve, you are first class professionals tina xx
- David Lloyd
"Arrington respects Laporte and Laporte respects Arrington." I have no idea about arrington but leo has called him a troll several times
- jccalhoun
they shut the IRC down. FF is just as good
- Mike
Why is Dan muting the IRC chat? Just because he doesn't like to see people talking about what just happened?
- tollie williams
Just hope Arrington does not publish a defamatory post about Leo.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Yes...Karoli... but we had a family problem yesterday
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Dan is a tool
- David Lloyd
Tina, sorry to hear that. :( I nearly missed the fun.
- Karoli
its funny everyone in California is a liberal until they CENSOR their own irc chat room.... very ' bush ' thing to do Dan....
- John Hillestad
There's a dictator in the IRC chat? Not cool.
- Colin
There was use in shutting down the chat. People will use FF to discuss the incident.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
that irc chat has more drama and BS going on.. i swear it needs to get a Daytime Emmy
- Moose
I'd love to see Arrington go after Leo - Leo has waaaaaay more ethical clout than Arrington and the respect of the whole community / industry
- Mike
you can't censor something if you aren't the government
- jccalhoun
FF just gained a lot of points.
- Colin
I am behind you leo
- Theodore Grabow
Leo can do whatever he wishes with the IRC chat, it is on his server. Let's respect his authority.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Leo's rant > Christian Bale's
- Chris
twit irc has never been a free speech zone. go in there and say the f word and see how long you last
- jccalhoun
if Leo told Dan to shut down the IRC that's one thing, but I think Dan just made an executive decision which is only going to fuel the fire
- Mike
jccalhoun after today that may be changing. LOL
- Karoli
yeah the irc server is a bit odd, i dont think leos audience is children, who need protecting from big naughty words
- David Lloyd
Been there jccalhoun, that's why I try to spend more time here.
- Colin
Whoa. Not sure what to think about all that, but "Whaddya gonna do about it" is a pretty bullying -- even thuggish -- thing to say...
- Amyloo
Oh please, if there's any time to moderate a chat room, it's now.
- Bwana ☠
there is/was an adult irc channel
- Moose
And our point Bwana, is that there is never a time to moderate.
- Colin
mark, actually there are a fair number of tweens in there.
- jccalhoun
hey Amy
- Hilary Talbot
Leo had a right to be angry but I wish he hadn't gotten so angry as to close the show, would have been better to see them fight it out as to the Pre, a few fuck yous and then go on with the show
- Stephen Pickering
facebook real time chat is better to be honest, we can speak our minds without being banned by those power hungry mods
- David Lloyd
Never a time to moderate eh? Well have fun
- Bwana ☠
hey hil, did you catch that?
- Amyloo
My 2 cents, I'm behind Leo 100%, there is no need to give assholes like that airtime.
- Robert Hafer
yes, it was all over in minutes...
- Hilary Talbot
Yes.. Gillmor Gang is off ... Arrington out line .... for third time ....
- Michael Holzinger
yes cos preteens have never heard curse words, their lives will be destroyed!
- David Lloyd
Chris - don't be silly. Leo's rant was nothing. Is everyone so bored today that they have to get off on this nonsense?
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I think Dan did not like people posting the youtube links to the F bomb so he censored the room like he would Gitmo
- John Hillestad
I think leo felt slighted from steve when he wasn't introduced in the beginning. During the arrington exchange Steve is laughing away.
- Paul E. Ester
Besides, Bwana, it just sends the conversation here... until this thread gets deleted (if it does).
- tollie williams
i'm guessing the people talking about "power hungry mods" are people who pissed off the mods...
- jccalhoun
Dan runs a tight ship
- russellcoleman
When someone is typing the letter "a" 600 times a minute and actually ruining the service, sure, use the system to fix that, but other than that, this current mute is silly.
- Colin
Yeah, because IRC is a right, not a privilege
- Bwana ☠
I would assume Leo will delete this conversation
- Steven (optionshiftk)
oh, I love it when people are called 'power hungry mods'. It usually means they've done something right.
- Karoli
Tina: I will call Steve. Wow, sounds like I missed a something.
- Robert Scoble
the biggest thing to happen in the TWITverse in like...forever...and Dan shuts down the chat? weak!
- zefyr
If this thread gets deleted by anyone it'll re-start somewhere else... You just can't stop it.
- Holger Eilhard
Arrington abuses Scoble all the time, but Scoble just laughs
- Stephen Pickering
Robert - you certainly did
- Devin Baines
I wonder if killing the show was what Arrington had in mind as a response when he asked "Whaddya gonna do about it?"
- Thusenth
OK Robert... yeah, you missed somethiing
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Can they just do the show today without Leo. They have a great panel and I want my GG this week.
- Wo
Of course not Bwana, but if you want to facilitate open discussion, keep your channel open.
- Colin
cut & paste this thread to prove it ' existed '
- John Hillestad
LOL @ Scobles understatement
- Moose
"What are you going to do about it?" *initiating shutdown sequence*
- zephyrlily
google indexes this stuff fast anyway
- Karoli
Steve says GG will resume as soon as we can make new arrangements
- Tina Chase Gillmor
resume as in today.. somewhere else?
- Moose
good old steve, another one of the good guys
- David Lloyd
today Tina?
- Wo
any one with firefox could have downloaded it already for "posterity"...
- Aron Michalski
thanks for the update @tina
- h1ro
Will Steve try and stream it over ustream?
- Steven (optionshiftk)
not today maybe tomorrow or Monday after WWDC
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Here's a similar incident that happened in the past: http://www.techcult.com/wired-v...
- invariant
@Bwana Moderation certainly helps in many cases, but it's also nice to have an unmoderated place to chat for those that want it.
- Antoniu
TWiT is much more than just the Gillmor Gang though.
- Jason Hansen
I'm not sure why it pushed my buttons so hard - closing down the show was overreacting for sure and I apologize for the disrespect it showed the other panelists. Arrington is a piece of work. I can think of one time when he stimulated the conversation in a very positive manner (his question about how to respond to an invitation to talk from a guy he was slamming) but most of the time he...
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- Leo Laporte
Aron, Theatre of the Absurd is an excellent description. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Karoli
Well Tina, if we can help by being an audience, just let us know when and if it's happening...
- Aron Michalski
This is absolutely asinine. Leo Laporte has done nothing but good for his audience and viewers in the past. Leo deserves better than to work with some boldfaced idiot like Arrington. Leo was NOT in the wrong by any means necessary. I couldn't care less if I ever heard from Arrington again.
- David Ford
And Mike really wonders why people "do things" to him...?
- Holger Eilhard
good statement Leo
- David Lloyd
I would have to say that Arrington was the straw that broke the camel's back. It was a BIG straw, but Leo has been under a lot of stress as of late. Hang in there Leo!
- Patrick Hall
Why isn't the Gilmore Gang part of the whole TWiT feed in iTunes?
- Michael Kaiser
Well done Leo, he really is a troll and I applaud you for not putting up with his shit.
- Simon Tracey
WTG Leo
- Moose
he is a troll, the king of the trolls, but he is just so damn powerful and influential :(
- David Lloyd
Leo: Let Gillmor Gang do their own thing.
- Jason Hansen
Jason is coming to the TWiT network btw, as a sindicate
- David Lloyd
It's all fun and games until you get kicked off TWiT
- Bwana ☠
Does Gillmor Gang get posted somewhere after the fact? http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/ hasn't been updated since April.
- Thusenth
@Leo Thanks to you sir for standing up for us. I for one have NEVER liked Arrington. I don't think the GG should continue on TWiT.
- David Ford
You called his bluff Leo, I say continue without Arrington, if that's possible.
- Colin
Wow. Leo's response to what happened was very honorable. That shows the difference between Leo and Arrington. Arrington would never have the decency to respond in such a reasonable way on FF. That's why we love Leo.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Oh No, ARRINGTONS POST is up oN TC
- David Lloyd
doesnt mention leo tho
- David Lloyd
lmao Bwana
- Moose
@leo i don't think anything that happened today has even slightly damaged my opinion of you or the Twit network. it seemed like arrington was deliberately trying to push your buttons for whatever reason. i think you made the move that was right for you at the time. keep up the great work and go have a nice cup of peppermint tea
- h1ro
What an interesting political dilemma. Leo won't do anything with Arrington, Steve edits TechcrunchIT
- Karoli
I would never kick you off Bwana!
- Leo Laporte
Leo: The only people you didn't disrespect was Steve Gillmor, he laughed through the whole thing, & Arrington.
- Jason Hansen
GG Never felt like the right vibe for TWiT. Don't blame you for how you feel Leo. No worries. Please come back on and we can do something fun.
- Libertine
Yeah Karoli. Therein lies the difficulty.
- Leo Laporte
Looks like Leo does have some weight behind him - Earthquake just felt in the Bay Area.
- Mike
Wow, I missed a lot. Leo, keep Gillmor Gang off of TWiT. You did the right thing, and I thank you for it.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
Leo :)
- Bwana ☠
I think they're saving up so that catching up on back episodes will fill your hard drive...
- Aron Michalski
Stick to your guns Leo. Integrity is everything.
- Chuck
Leo, in response to your question of whether to cancel the GG, I personally like it on TWIT Live.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
"Dan if all the chat is going to be for the next half hour is people obsessing about it - i think it's best not to have open chat." WTF? lol
- Erle Stride
Wow, never seen Leo like that. Gotta defend yourself if someone thinks your being bought out.
- Adam Windisch
Let's go back to broadcasting GG the old way... I want to throw Mike off the show.
- Jerry Schuman
wow can't believe I missed it give em hell Leo. Please don't cancel the gilmore gang though, I love to hate those guys
- BryanSchuetz
MP3 of the whole show: http://www.archive.org/downloa...
- Jack
The thing about Leo, he wouldnt even advertise a product he doesnt love! he has to ADORE A PRODUCT to endorse it
- David Lloyd
I think Dan is out of line cutting off IRC, if Leo didn't want conversation about this he would have deleted this thread.
- Mike Saraf
Well, my vote is that the Gillmor Gang continue without restriction. If restrictions mean not working with you, Leo, then I guess that's my vote.
- Karoli
@mark link for arringtons post on tc?
- h1ro
I could do without GG on Twit Live personally, never felt like a good fit compared to the rest of your shows. Would personally rather see your time/energy on more interesting things (the new Google Show, for example).
- Patrick Sullivan
Erie - I don't blame Dan...I would have just moderated the channel for voiced users though. But he runs it, and there's always other places to chat.
- Bwana ☠
Leo, I enjoy the Gillmor Gang on TWiT Live but don't think you should stand for being bated and trolled.
- Chris Pugh
I love GG with Loren .. Arrington is a distraction at best
- Moose
Just get rid of Mike, everyone else seems to play nice, he's the common denominator in every incident.
- Colin
@Mark That post has nothing to do with what happend on Gillmor Gang though.
- Antoniu
Bwana Who's Erie?
- Erle Stride
it was a mistake h1ro, it said it came from arringtons twitter, but its not about leo but about engineers they poached
- David Lloyd
I didn't "cut off irc".. i decided to mute it for a few minutes to qwell the constant gossip. It will be back in a few minutes.
- Dan Hendricks
Steve laughed because surely he thought this was a joke
- Tina Chase Gillmor
With htat said, I'm no fan of Mike Arrington's. I am a GG fan and a Leo fan.
- Karoli
Erle - Erie is you when I'm reading without my glasses
- Bwana ☠
Leo , look at it this way you had your ball meme the other week and now you've got this video that could meme,your on a roll your the meme machine!
- russtbarnacle
i think many of us thought it was a joke for the first few seconds
- David Lloyd
:)
- Bwana ☠
Leo is going on techmeme?
- David Lloyd
I imagine Gilmore and Arrington may be a package deal
- zefyr
Bwana I know just breaking balls
- Erle Stride
I agree that Dan should unmute IRC. @Bwana, he didn't filter it for trolls. He personally didn't like the TWiT community discussing the current event. IMHO - not the best use of censorship.
- tollie williams
I deserved it :)
- Bwana ☠
irc has a gossip filter?
- Moose
Would be a bit politically touchy for Steve to toss Mike off GG to stay on Twit network...just sayin'.
- Karoli
Isn't this all Marc Canters fault? He usually brings the sunshine to the gang.
- Paul E. Ester
So did anyone happen to record video of the show? I missed it
- BryanSchuetz
IRC is back for anyone interested
- Mike
Dan - do your thing. I have an inkling of an idea of what you're going through.
- Bwana ☠
Maybe they can alternate Mike and Leo each week?
- Dave
So lets see Huge issue happens in Twit And the way Dan feels to deal with it is to NOT allow Leos' Army to discuss it? WOW
- Erle Stride
FF > IRC
- David Lloyd
Dan, good thing tomorrow is a slow tech news day, huh? :P
- Mike Lewis
until they add custom formatting here? Lo
- David Lloyd
Wow I've only seen two episodes of GG so far. Gotta say last weeks show was better. Hang in there Leo.
- John Brazel
you got that one right Professor.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Some people are calling this set up...i don't believe it, but i guess its possible.
- Zee.
Full show here, it was good at the beginning: http://www.archive.org/downloa...
- Jack
RT Jason Calicanus "This is what happens when I resign from the Gillmor Gang... everyone loses it! :-)"
- David Lloyd
Doing set ups is not Leo's style, which is the reason I absolutely don't believe the theories of this being intentional.
- Paulius G
Yeah, for a moment I thought it was staged, like all this Bruno Eminem thing, but I guess it's NOT.
- Nir Ben Yona
If this was a setup then Bruno's balls in Eminems face was real
- Chris Pugh
well Leo can act, but that would be an oscar performance
- David Lloyd
Zee: it's not setup. Boy, this has kicked off a whole debate in the scoble household with Maryam and Halley Suitt. I sure missed a humdinger to sleep through!
- Robert Scoble
Just to be clear, I almost always buy the products I review, mostly because I don't like "owing" the PR folks and I hate the "when are you planning on covering it" phone calls, but also to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest. My policy when I accept a review unit is to return the unit and buy one at full retail if I want to keep using it. I don't even do "friends and family...
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- Leo Laporte
Well said Leo!
- Harvey Birdman
I wonder if the show notes are on the twit wiki yet
- David Lloyd
Leo has 30 year history of integrity
- David Lloyd
@Leo Mike never accused you of otherwise
- Chris Saad
Leo: I just received a Palm Pre unit that I have to return in seven days, too.
- Robert Scoble
He was just getting the disclosures out of the way
- Chris Saad
Leo, as someone who occasionally reviews products too, I totally get where you're coming from. Questioning your integrity was out of line and yes, trollish.
- Karoli
Leo you are beyond reproach.
- BryanSchuetz
right on - and that's why we all respect your opinion
- h1ro
Chris, there was more than that to it
- Karoli
We know, Leo, and we trust your reviews as a result
- Devin Baines
Not so Chris - he very clearly was implying that there was some quid pro quo for the review unit.
- Leo Laporte
Thank you Leo. Now, to those of you who said otherwise about Leo, I have the same thing to say to you as he said to Arrington.
- David Ford
What Mike asked was fine, and how Leo responded was fine, what was not fine was the comment, "What are you going to do about it?"
- Colin
No he really wasn't - listen to the youtube recording - he stopped you before you even reviewed the thing and just wanted to get the disclosure out of the way
- Chris Saad
You don`t have to explain yourself Leo, your integrity is well recognized and we don`t pay attention to trolls. We are behind you 100%. I say the show takes a hike
- David Peralta
re colin, flame baiting?
- David Lloyd
Sorry guys, but all I can think of right now is : Man I love friendFeed
- TunisianGuy
It was snarky, and the reiteration of the "free pre" thing was just the extra stab.
- Karoli
can you call tina please Leo xx
- David Lloyd
@tunisianguy i just wish that friendfeed would autoscroll to the bottom of this page when there is new content
- h1ro
Awesome statement Leo, I just reblogged it so people are clear
- Bwana ☠
@Leo as I said above - Mike does lots of crazy things - this wasn't one of them - his point was "did u get a free one, wow most of us didn't"
- Chris Saad
I'm really bummed out because I like both Leo and Mike and now I feel a bit caught in between. Sort of like having two divorcing parents, I guess.
- Robert Scoble
Mark, am I flame-baiting do you mean, or Mike's comment?
- Colin
Everyone is on your side Leo! you did the right thing, don't doubt that for a second!
- Jack
Gilmor Gang should continue on TWiT, with Steve in charge of the guests he wants to bring on. Michael Arrington can cause friction but there has been plenty of outrageous comments on GG. Arrington is too much of a force in the digital universe to simply ignore. I very much admire Leo for what he is doing with TWiT and understand losing his temper. But, if Leo doesn't want to do the show, then have someone else "moderate" it. We need to hear all sides and opinions presented on shows like GG.
- Michael Ritter
Leo got Pwned lol.
- Matt Ruiz
friendfeed needs to either put a margin at the bottom of the page or else stop scrolling when i'm typing. it's distracting to type while messages push it down. grrrrr.
- Karoli
RT Scoble---pick the better parent then---Leo
- Harvey Birdman
Remember when RSS was dead? Those were the days. Ok, last week.
- Professor Messer
Leo, we know better, despite what arrington says. I hope you don't think we'd believe him over you.
- Lise
We love you Leo!
- Moobie
that means two Christmas's Scoble = Win
- BryanSchuetz
Harvey: I will stay with both. My friends don't force me to choose.
- Robert Scoble
Professer Messer, LOL. Ah, for the good ole' days when RSS died.
- Karoli
@Robert choose life :)
- Chris Saad
Well said, Robert.
- David Ford
Chris Saad that name rings a bell, doesnt he own apml.org?
- David Lloyd
Canter was on GG via TWiT.. showing everyone his stash of weed....Steve forgave hime for that and he was back on a few weeks later
- Moose
Chris: it's interesting how things like these cause conversations big time.
- Robert Scoble
@Mark yes I do
- Chris Saad
:25 in the youtube video trying to figure out what Arrington says...
- Thomas McGivern
Robert, not so interesting. Conflict always draws observers and opinions.
- Karoli
@Robert of course they do - this is one big highschool replay :)
- Chris Saad
Leo was very clear it was a review unit. Had Arrington stopped there things might have continued fine. He continued saying "Free Pre"and then said "What are you going to do about it". It was classic bully antics ....
- Jason Beck
Chris: life is one big highschool replay. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Hey ProfesorMesser loving the aplus course-you are a great podcaster.(will this get me an A)
- earl wallace
Yet another reason for me to continue my personal Boycott of TC. Just as I was starting to read them again, :(
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
@Robert lol true I guess
- Chris Saad
Agreed, this is life.
- Colin
@Scoble -- lol, wish you'd been there.. might have diffused the situation!
- Adnan
Free Pre which yo8u can keep for 7 days? Thats hardly a game changetr
- David Lloyd
Leo, I have total respect for you, your approach and network. You had every right to respond as you did. We all know you are a gadget freak and have always appeared to operate with forthright integrity. My own run ins with Arrington for holding a non-Arrington opinion (read popular) probably don't even register with him. It left me feeling as if I had been played and with a very bad taste in my mouth. Success is measured in different ways.
- Aron Michalski
In other news, I'm still not getting a Pre, but it's a cool piece of hardware!
- Mike Lewis
Jason: Arrington is a bully sometimes, but that's what makes him interesting. Not everyone likes that approach, though.
- Robert Scoble
Its not late to bring some peace back
- Johni Fisher
You don't bully leo though scoble
- Jack
...and the pug barks, life goes on. GG will find a new home, which we may or may not find because it will be real-time only, and we will have to rely on reading our tea leaves or gluing ourselves to Twitter and/or Friendfeed to find it. Ah, the power of the gesture.
- Karoli
I feel that Mike is losing 'street Cred" in the tech world.....
- Stanley Suan
Just finished watching Apocalypse Now for the first time - crazy film - almost as weird as the @leolaporte @arrington freakout :)
- Chris Saad
Adnan: I doubt I could have diffused this one. I would have been forced to be on Leo's side because I have a review unit now from Palm too.
- Robert Scoble
You have a "free pre" then in Mikes eyes
- David Lloyd
It's on the reddits now - http://bit.ly/u0Ilr
- James
"what are you going to do about it?" is never anything but a dick move in my book
- jccalhoun
Karoli lol
- russtbarnacle
Arrington maybe interesting to the people watching the conversation, infuriating those who are part of the conversation..
- Kim Landwehr
was the google show suposed to be sat and gg on fri?
- Steve Ford
Tina I pinged you yesterday about getting together with Karoli.
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
No reason Leo need suffer fools gladly on the network he created. Rock on Mr. Laporte!
- John Brazel
Actually Canter is infuriating - Mike is fun :)
- Chris Saad
Steve: yes, but the Gillmors had a family issue they had to take care of yesterday.
- Robert Scoble
Francine - sorry didn't get it .. Yesterday was a mess for me/us
- Tina Chase Gillmor
whats arringtons take on all this?
- Dano Hart
he hasnt commented publically, he is with his dog
- David Lloyd
Don't you Think the GG meltdown was really about Rajeev's death and raw feelings?
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
I like cheese.
- Benjamin Grelle
Who really cares what arrington's take is on anything?
- Harvey Birdman
I like John Cheese
- David Lloyd
@ right, but it seemed to me that there was lots of stuff going on backstage getting it together and onto youtube and so on, and this will likely disrupt that effort. As well as the political concerns you mentioned before.
- Hilary Talbot
that was @karoli, sorry
- Hilary Talbot
Ok! Is there any other show please. I'm all set up. Bulleit Bourbon and everything! Damn you Palm
- TunisianGuy
Yes, they needed you there Robert. I think you could have diffused it, like you did when Jason and Cantor were getting into it, but I have to admit I've never seen Leo get that angry
- Stephen Pickering
Dano - I don't think arrington understands what happened, he said earlier he went for a walk
- Moobie
@Harvey lol err... everyone cares - that's why he runs one of the biggest Tech news & events companies in the valley
- Chris Saad
Stephen: I agree, I've never seen Leo lose it like that. Arrington makes me feel like that once in a while too.
- Robert Scoble
There's just something about the Gillmor Gang that seems to engender flame-ups. It's not the direction I want to take TWiT, frankly.
- Leo Laporte
Hard to have a decent conversation when someone is poking you with a shark stick, don't care who it is...
- Aron Michalski
I agree with Harvey, no one cares
- David Peralta
@Chris-that's funny, I've only heard about him because of Leo.
- Harvey Birdman
Leo I've watched you from all the way back since ZDTV. Even helped out in the chats as a ZDTV chat host. Still watch you today. I have deeply respected you from those days and after what I've seen today I still hold very high respect for you. It's not cool to see anyone question anyone about their integrity over any product or anything for that matter. Just sounds more like this Mike...
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- Grady Joslin
has gillmore commented
- Steve Ford
I think most of us would agree leo
- Jack
@Grady Joslin - Well said, and seconded, sir.
- David Ford
I agree with you Leo
- Theodore Grabow
Updated the bootleg feed: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
Agreed Leo
- Moobie
Well, at least I didn't have to miss the Belmont Stakes!
- Stephen Pickering
Leo I'm with you. You don't need a show like GG on your network
- russellcoleman
Waffles are also delicious.
- Benjamin Grelle
Halley says "your sleeping was brilliant strategically." Ahh, my nap wasn't planned. Heheh
- Robert Scoble
i'm glad to know friendfeed can handle all this.hehe
- Dano Hart
arrington posts on techcrunch http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- jccalhoun
RT ARRINGTON http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- David Lloyd
Dano: there's a reason why I have been so excited about friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Decent post by Arrington with some gracious comments
- David Lloyd
He respects Leo I think
- David Lloyd
Looks like we need president Obama to mediate between the sides and straighten the difficulties, otherwise the gang will be out of its sting.
- Nir Ben Yona
@robertscoble yeah I like this better than twitter, but everyones on twitter. That TC post is what I wanted to read was mikes side, just cause I'm curious
- Dano Hart
anyway to get the latest post at the top?
- detorn
obama is too busy going on ' date night '
- John Hillestad
Good post from Mike.
- invariant
Good post form Mike. with an apology
- David Lloyd
Mike apologizes to Leo
- David Peralta
if Leo was 99% of any other tech journos, he wouldnt have gotten that apology
- David Lloyd
Respect exists.
- David Lloyd
Do a twitter search on leo laporte and you see thousands of people agreeing with leo. sometimes people just need to be told what they are doing is wrong and leo did exactly that. thumbs up leo
- Austin Garrod
yes ive been monitoring a number of comment places and its 95% support Leo across platforms
- David Lloyd
Arrington apologizes, the nukes are put away.
- Karoli
if most people weren't supporting Leo I don't see arrington apologizing. doesn't arrington have some place besides the front page of techcrunch to apologize? Some place that won't get him more publicity and make him out to look like a big man for apologizing?
- jccalhoun
well I am sure this might make techmeme, what do you think?
- David Lloyd
Good post by Mike Arrington on Tech Crunch, He obviously spoke before he thought and now is sorry.
- Kim Landwehr
In some strange way, I think Palm is the winner here
- Bwana ☠
the Arrington apology doesn't sound like an apology... he's saying he is sorry leo was offended by the question, not that he asked it...
- detorn
finally got to the end of this thing.... friendfeed conversations are getting way way too long.. guess that's kinda the worry leo has had about 'spam' on ff
- Christopher Harris
whats that tech site which has the gutter news?
- David Lloyd
I now have a headache
- Bwana ☠
he did apologize : http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- John Hillestad
James: for arrington, thats a gracious apology, as close as will ever be
- David Lloyd
To quote Arrington's "apology" - "Comment moderation is going to be tight on this post, so keep it constructive." Unlike here where we can actually speak out minds and exercise our opinions without moderation. Arrington has lost a lot of credibility here I think.
- Simon Tracey
Weakest. Apology. Ever.
- Eric Florenzano
The full show! http://www.archive.org/downloa...
- Chris
Well that was a very nice apology. I might have to reconsider.
- Leo Laporte
Leo-don't, he's not worth it.
- Harvey Birdman
"And I don’t consider asking a journalist to disclose if a device he says he loves was given to him for free or not as being a particularly trollish thing to do." Arrington see not an apology, an explanation. Not taking sides either way, but call this what it is
- detorn
Not one of the finest moments on TWiT but very understandable. Leo's built a great career out of his knowledge and integrity and Arrington seems to be the type to push anyone's buttons he can.... That's what has made them both successful in their own right. Cooler heads will always prevail, and I think this is won't be an exception
- Kyle
@bwana I agree on both statements. It is good for palm and I do have a headache from catching up on all this.hehe
- Dano Hart
Leo be the better man and accept his apology and keep the show running...
- John Hillestad
Whoa. I was just gonna question if Leo was going to reconsider. I think respects you, Leo. Mike is who he is, but I think he realized he screwed up.
- Lise
I kind of figure from Mike Arrington, this is about as big of apology as he is going to give.
- Kim Landwehr
Make peace not war Leo.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Leo, my friend, for Arrington, that was as close to getting down and kissing your feet he will ever do to anyone. He respects you.
- David Lloyd
Leo, even though I am a fan of the Gillmor Gang, I completely understand if you decide it would be best if they find another host.
- Dave
Peace may be the best solution here; although I do agree the GG stands out as having a different tone than other TWiT shows, not one I'm particularly fond of. Maybe a peaceful parting is the best solution?
- Jason Beck
You are all friends ....we cant change the past go for a better future
- Johni Fisher
Nice, I post a reasonable comment on TechCrunch, and it gets rejected. Now who's biased? ;)
- David Ford
Let the show go, Leo. Bitter, yammering tech-challenged guests aren't part of TWIT's future.
- Robert Kenney
The best trolls always say just kidding at the last second. Kudos to Arrington for being an epic troll with that techcrunch "nonpology"
- Dan Hendricks
Yeah, what an apology. Arrington is just butt-hurt that Palm knows he's not a journalist and his "publication" is something to be avoided.
- Adam Turetzky
Don't piss off the geeks they love Leo. DOS maybe?
- Randy Green
Leo - I would sleep on it over a fine wine and a Palm Pre
- Bwana ☠
Wow! Just heard it. I don't know who Mike Arrington is, but Leo has kept me up to speed on all things tech for at least a decade now. I'm sticking with Leo.
- Michael Kaiser
In the words of Admiral Ackbar, "It's a trap!" The apology was strategy not sincerity.
- Benjamin Grelle
I say let Arrington go play in his own sandbox hardly a loss to the tech community if he never appears on another show with Leo.
- John Brazel
It just isn't TWiT's style to be honest Leo, plus some of us are really missing Munchcast, even if that probably wouldn't land in place of it. Either way, I'm really tempted to get a Pre at some point, looks like a reallly nice phone.
- Chris
It would be nice if this came to a peaceful conclusion, but it would be a mistake to continue GG on Twit, the show is too trollish and I suspect Gilmore encourages it.
- Moobie
No. Arrington is STILL being a douche in his post, 'The fact that few people ever return them is rarely brought up.' (Heavily implicit thuggery.) Leo is above question. No forgiveness.
- Libertine
Let it go Leo, they deserve themselves.
- Richard Coppen
I just love in Mike's apology where he says "I didn't think..." Yeah Mike, apparently you didn't think. And look what you stepped into. It's shame people are still like that these days. Leo I just say part ways with him. Its not worth supporting such... crap.
- Grady Joslin
just told my parents about what happend and the first thing my dad said was, good for leo, i know airengton, he deserves it
- Austin Garrod
Leo, as I don't care for the language, I believe you did the right thing, you don't need that type of show, keep up the good work.
- Robert Lee
Let Gilmore and his people go. Not what your network needs.
- saf
keep GG on TWiT if possible, it's been good
- Christopher Harris
I like Leo on GG. A different vibe from the actual Twit show. I listen to most of the shows on the network, GG was/is really cool for what it was/is.
- detorn
Disclosure: when I got back from Virginia this morning a Palm Pre was waiting for me. I didn't ask for it, I didn't know it was coming. It is only for seven days (I have to send it back). Now, that said, I think it's a valid question to wonder what Mike is wondering. It's something I always ask myself when I get goodies from the industry. Did I get these because I'm too nice? I used to...
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- Robert Scoble
What was the idea behind having GG on TWiT in the first place? Because of Leo's relationship w/ Gilmour?
- Kyle
I left that comment over on TechCrunch.
- Robert Scoble
You know, I've been a fan of TWIT and Gillmor Gang since the first time I heard both podcasts. I know Steve and Tina, and have a great deal of respect for what Steve does with the Gillmor Gang. It's pretty aggravating to read all these nasty barbs aimed at Steve. It's a different show. It's a great show. It's not TWIT. But why is it that everyone wants to draw a line between them?
- Karoli
I like Leo being direct, admire men that are like that. Also Leo has always been honest.GG had always negative karma. Shut down show and do something better with valuable time.
- Heiti Kruusmaa
Well! That was a nice 90 minutes of high drama. Kinda like a made-for-TV movie. Steve did say he thinks it's a video show
- Amyloo
wait, has tech crunch never received a test unit?
- Austin Garrod
Leo any idea when a real review is going to come, I've caught bits and pieces of your "ongoing" review since the unboxing. The fact that most recently I had heard you'll stick with your iphone, but respect the tech in the pre.
- Steve Ford
I can see the Leo Versus Arrington mashups on youtube now?
- Randy Green
Leo, although I find the GG to be informative and entertaining in it's own way, I never thought it could be done in a style or format in line with the production quality you regularly offer on the TWiT Network.
- Craig Durling
Karoli: people want to choose sides in fights like this. I don't know why that's a human reaction, but it is. Leo has a lot of very loyal fans. I'm among them. We all ourselves Laporteans, even. I'm also a major fan of Mike Arrington, but Mike often gets people to have a quite different relationship with him. People often see him as rude or worse. That's because Mike often says stuff...
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- Robert Scoble
I thought this thread would be the one with the highest amount of comments on FriendFeed. But here's one with over 6,000: http://friendfeed.com/ideali...
- David Schmidt
Robert: Well, having been the butt of Mike Arrington's need to say incendiary stuff, I understand that. However, Steve Gillmor is not Mike Arrington. GG is not Mike Arrington. There is much, much more to GG than Mike Arrington. would be nice to see them judged separately.
- Karoli
in ealier conversations with david pogue leo proved his lack of any bias.
- Tobias Lewsadder
I hope the gang ( excluding Arrington) from GG will be back on Twit individually at some point. They are all great guests each with strong personallities but much character. It can be hard for so many strong personallities to be in the same room or discussion sometimes but they have done a better job than I could do on the show, so props to them. I think arrington becomes a troll when in the mix, he can't hang with the big boys. JMHO&2C
- Andrew Johnson
Leo, GG does nothing to help the TWiT family of shows. Looking across the shows, it should hold no place in your schedule. I'd rather hear something else.
- Rob Blatt
Get Mike Arrington on TWiT tomorrow! That = ratings!
- Chris
I want The Gillmor Gang on TWiT. It's not consistent in it's quality but often times can be the best show on the web. TWiT will give it the kind of audience it deserves. I hope Leo can work with the Gillmor Gang including Arrington and help them produce and distribute thought provoking content.
- Wo
@david wow, wish I knew what that thread was all about
- BryanSchuetz
Rob: I think Leo is trying to build a network with a variety of styles and topics. That's key to having a strong network. I know a radio station owner who has both liberal and conservative talk show hosts who hate each other. But by doing that he has a far bigger audience than if he just went all one way where everyone got along nicely. Plus the station looks far more professional and objective than if it were all run by Rush Limbaugh wannabes. Same for Leo's network.
- Robert Scoble
I enjoyed GG on TWiT when I was able to see it. It is a group of people with strong opinions and that is not necessarily a bad thing. I didn'
- kenneth glenn
The Gillmor Gang is my favorite show on the network, call me shallow and entertainment-hungry, but I really do like when people discuss things with this much passion, especially technology!
- Colin
Leo: I think you should reconsider, not because you were wrong to get upset, but because it probably isn't worth cutting all ties. That is too absolute and despite his serious faults Arrington does have things to contribute. That said I totally agree there is just something about GG that causes flame ups and unless that can change you shouldn't have it be a part of TWIT.
- Joel Asaro
Colin: we are passionate, aren't we?
- Robert Scoble
@bryan: Haha, I thought Google would be assisting. Check this: http://tinyurl.com/qnugbz
- David Schmidt
Robert: You are, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
- Colin
Colin: people who are passionate often get misunderstood or cause opposite passions in people. I've run into that many times. How many people have asked me if I get paid by Friendfeed because I'm so passionate about it?
- Robert Scoble
@david heh, figures who in here reads Cyrillic?
- BryanSchuetz
it is the passion and the humor that draws me back. That, and the fact that you all force me to think.
- Karoli
If The Gillmor Gang stays on TWIT I think Leo should step out of the "host" chair and be a guest with someone else controlling the board.
- Chris Pugh
I've wondered if you get payed by FriendFeed myself hah, nah I'm kidding.
- Colin
I feel bad for Steve Gillmor that his show was ruined today by a stupid remark and a temper tantrum.
- Wo
Karoli: being on the Gillmor Gang causes me to think harder than anything else I do during the week. Trying to keep up with all the other people is mentally challenging to me.
- Robert Scoble
Wo - and that's a first? :)
- Bwana ☠
@Chris P - what would that solve?
- Lise
so is GG toast? or needs to be reformatted?
- Steve Ford
You guys are like professional athletes, putting yourselves on the line with the same opinions we have, so that we don't have to.
- Colin
Steve Ford I'm sure everything will be worked out in the next few days
- Andrew Johnson
Leo should bring in Merlin Mann to host the GG, now that would be fun to watch.
- BryanSchuetz
Lise, Leo could walk off the show and not shut it down. There are other people on the show who made time to be available.
- Chris Pugh
i need to say sorry to leo because in the chat room i was mad at him for cutting the show but it was his right to do after what mike said what happed i was on usterem and it got cut off so i didnt see the whole thing so i just saw a video of it so i apology to leo
- Andrew Villafane
Steve: Gillmor Gang is not dead.
- Robert Scoble
wish it was old days when men cleared misunderstandings with pistols and swords:) then men also choose their words and showed more respect :)...
- Heiti Kruusmaa
I figure they will straighten it out between them once they both cool down.
- Kim Landwehr
If the show continues, and especially if Mike is still on it, you guys are doing something with the Gillmor Gang that I don't think I've seen in any type of media anywhere else.
- Colin
We need that kind of Tech Jerry's TV
- TunisianGuy
Gillmor Gang is not dead. Hopefully Newsgang isn't dead either, just waiting for a place in time to be resurrected. But then again, North Korea hasn't apologized to South Korea for the threats...so who knows?
- Karoli
Colin: the show will continue.
- Robert Scoble
leo laporte has always appeared to me to be a gentleman and to let someone bring you down to their level isnt flattering. the "what are you going to do about it?!?!"comment unfortunately showed the maturity of the conversation.
- Tobias Lewsadder
I like GG on the TWIT network and Leo's presence on the show. I just hope that in whatever future there is there is a time shifted alternative to missing it every week.
- Aron Michalski
Robert: I too posted on Mike's article. I struggle with his way of drawing out a story because it always appears to be disrespectful to the person he is trying to pry the story out of, typical of mainstream journalism IMHO. The story is more important than the people involved. I think Mike could have been more tactful in light of the great job he did on Rajeev. I know if we wait long enough with those who piss us off eventually show us their good side.
- Owen Greaves
hey robert so with the new studio you are makeing you could broadcast it
- Andrew Villafane
Interesting that Arrington's swipe at Leo was the same thing that he swiped at me and a zillion others for...as if we couldn't possibly offer unbiased reviews of products/sites/services.
- Karoli
I posted the following on Mike's Ouch post: Thanks for the post, Mike. Apology accepted. Now that I know what was going on in your mind, I apologize to you. There seems to be something about the Gillmor Gang that just engenders over the top passion. I’m embarrassed by my overreaction. Peace.
- Leo Laporte
Nice, move along people ;)
- David Lloyd
Robert/Colin: I hope the shows doesn't just continue, but improves... There has to be a way to have these really interesting and important conversations without all the ego and defending semantic arguments instead of trying to understand one another.
- Joel Asaro
Andrew: I don't have the studio built and I don't have the ability to host that here, my bandwidth isn't reliable enough.
- Robert Scoble
Nice to see that it all worked out so well.
- Antoniu
Wow, things move fast on the www. Nice on you both to offer apologies that fast :)
- Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
Leo: nice, hope the show can go on! I think it would be nice to have not so many quick arguments, either, but that's the Gillmor Gang!
- Robert Scoble
Joel, pearls don't exist without sand irritating the oyster. Just sayin'
- Karoli
arrington is good at what he does and gets results, that cant be disputed. i watched his interview with kevin rose and kevin rose looked so uncomfortable the whole time
- Tobias Lewsadder
Lasse: welcome to the real time web!
- Robert Scoble
Aw Leo, you're too good a man. He's an a-hole. Don't be embarrassed.
- Libertine
Glad both parties apologized. Stupid comment and over reaction. Gillmor Gang next week?
- Wo
GG on TWiT is the best match to bring forward thinkers and tech enthusiasts together, it will be great if Leo reconsiders. If not, I will follow Steve and the Gang wherever they decide to continue with this realtime experiment.
- Alberto Saavedra
real time web wins again
- David Lloyd
leo proves to be a true gentleman!!!!!
- Tobias Lewsadder
Arguments is not the problem. Questioning ethics is. Rule #1 Dont fight a land war in aisa. Rule #2 Dont piss of the host when it is dealing with ethics
- Darryl Adams
I know this incident will color the future epsiodes of the "The Gillmore Gang" podcast, and the perception of the people who hear about the incident and wonder what, why, who about the podcast.
- Stanley Suan
so leo will there be a show next week or you dont want to do it anymore???
- Andrew Villafane
Leo: how about with Steve, have you talked with him?
- Robert Scoble
The real time web isn't always puppy dogs and ice creame cones
- Chris Pugh
the real time real world isnt either Chris :p
- David Lloyd
It's nice to know that you guys are human, and you get much more respect from me knowing that you are.
- Colin
Stanley: On the real-time ADHD web, no one will remember what happened yesterday, much less a week ago.
- Karoli
Leo, everyone is entitled to get angry when core beliefs and standards are insulted. Just hit the mute button on twitlive next time! Bombs away!!! :)
- Wookie
However weird it may sound, it was good to see Leo being able to get upset like that. Just proves he can be human too. Was wondering if he's entire mind worked in a G rating ;) Also proves how passionate he is about his work. And good on being such a gentleman afterwards! Good going Leo!
- Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
That's Gracious of you Leo. Time will heal. I think both of you work so hard the stress just mounts. I do wish the show could keep its edginess but not get personal. Debate the issues. You did have a right to be angry, I'm not questioning that. I just wish the show in general got some kind of professional adjustment, if that's the right word, have the structure of Twit where there is debate but it doesn't get personal
- Stephen Pickering
Oh dear. Still, in all these years it's about the 1st time. Almost superhuman not to have exploded before.
- David Jones
I had never been on Friend Feed before (only heard so much about it on TWiT); however, when all this went down, it was the first place I thought to turn. I finally "get" the hype.
- Jason Beck
Jay: Link to Gillmor Gang - http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com
- Karoli
Leo works too hard. He's there too much. I wonder who would be an ideal fill in, if he could take more time off?
- Stephen Pickering
Leo accepts! http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Chris
Wow, I think that posting the incomplete episode complete with Leo's rant/breakdown/whatever it's called is just totally disrespectful to him. Leo's a person who's never had these kinds of breakdowns in the past and I don't think it deserves to be publicized in the GG feed.
- Paulius G
Paulius: Leo regrets blowing up as loud as he did, but he has no problem with that video clip
- David Lloyd
I'm staying out of this one - let me say though, I wouldn't be following TechCrunch if it weren't for Leo - Leo has serious authority here.
- Jesse Stay
Leo didn't break down. He got pissed off. And rightly so. He said what he wanted to say, and he's resolved the matter. Don't see the problem.
- Karoli
Paulius: I think Leo more than anyone is aware of the consequences of being live all the time.
- Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
Heck, I wouldn't be on Twitter if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have a Mac if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have built my own PC if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't be using Digg if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have an iPhone if it weren't for Leo. I'm dead serious in that - Leo has had serious influence in the things I've tried over the last 5 years or so.
- Jesse Stay
Leo, I wouldn't worry about it. Arrington Deserved it! As long as I've listened to your shows, I know that you won't push a product unless you think it's ACTUALLY good, and that if a product sucks, you'll either not talk about it, or trash it if it deserves it. Arrington was just being a dick, and While I wouldnt have shut the whole show down, there's a good chance I would have kicked him off myself.
- Justin Flood @justinflood
Do you think Leo will ask Mike for a preview of the Crunchpad???
- Darren Rowley
Just read Michael Arrington's explanation and frankly, I'd like to hear about the "story that is brewing about favoritism at Palm" and TechCruch's analysis of reviews. It's obviously an important and sensitive issue if it engenders situations like we have just witnessed. Leo, bring Michael back and let everyone talk about disclosure issues, favoritism, and gadget reviews from everyone's perspective and experience. Your audience will benefit from a rational discussion of this important issue.
- Michael Ritter
I just watched your video with Mike Arrington. You just made a new fan. :D Hope you enjoy your pre.
- Jason Pope
I can see why Leo blew up. Arrington is trashy and seemed to question the integrity of someone who actually cares. Not sure why Leo was on Gilmore Gang in the first place. Not the place for real interest/ideas.
- Darrel Davis
love ya leo.
- Mark Outten
It's nice to get a realtime issue in some sense, to work loose the shaky brickwork. the web is a wild and wonderful place. Although real emotions are involved, the live nature of the content does make certain people respond differently.
- Steve Ford
I've trird to watch the Gilmor Gang, but can't get through it. It doesn't fit the TWiT lineup. Leo, let it go, you have better programs that you can do instead.
- Brian Cagle
Leo would never waste fbomb for publicity
- Art
I like Steve, but I agree with Brian - it's a different audience, not TWiT's
- Jesse Stay
Admittedly I don't listen to Leo live very often but after many years of following Leo around the web it was actually very amusing to see and hear the foul language I'm not used to hearing outta Leo. Way to go Leo, I appreciate you sticking up for yourself! :)
- Ryan
This just in: I just talked to Dave Winer and he made the most important point: what about the show? I called Steve Gillmor and he's going to try to reassemble the troops (including Mike) and we're going to try this again. I'm on my way into the studio now.
- Leo Laporte
YAY!
- David Lloyd
Leo needs content. While Twit Live is based on the brand of "Leo", he does allow over voices like PC Perspective and This Week in Fun to use his facilities. He has full editorial control on what he has on his network, and that is his right. I only stated to listen to GG after it came to Twit. So maybe Steve expanded his listener base, but maybe he does not need too. That question is up to Steve
- Darryl Adams
Leo you're a good man
- Jesse Stay
Wow, thats great Leo. Looking forward to it :)
- Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
Lol, god he loves his community doesnt he?
- David Lloyd
_serious_ realtime shit
- Amyloo
Leo suffers for his audience, now it is out turn :-)
- Darryl Adams
gotta love live real time.
- Steve Ford
Yes! :)
- Adnan
<3 real time xx wish my friends got it
- David Lloyd
Can the bandwidth support this episode? Ha!
- Michael Kaiser
Then I'll stay up for a while (it's 2:14 am here)
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Incredibly admiral thing to do, a lot can be learned from this whole series of events.
- Jason Beck
I've watched Leo "alter" his views going from the pc shows to the mac shows, but I have never felt Leo was or ever would give a positive/negative review to something based upon getting a freebee.
- Brian Cagle
Can we get Dave Winer on the show too?! :)
- Adnan
Lol, someone posted Keyboard Cat playing off Arrington but it got deleted on Youtube
- zephyrlily
we want david winer
- David Lloyd
why would youtube delete a keyboard cat vid?
- Bwana ☠
Cool :-) I did remember last week you were a little peed about the trolling nature of Mike and I agreed then and more now Good on ya
- O W
I think the author deleted it @Bwana
- zephyrlily
Wait, who's on their way into the studio right now?
- Colin
scoble you going to be ontine for round two?
- Steve Ford
Dialogue is good to work through an incident such as this. I'm glad that Leo and Mike responded so soon afterward. Apologies came quick and bitterness didn't have time to set in, which could have caused enmity between them for years to come. I've learned to be careful with strong initial reactions because I may not be totally understanding where the other person is coming from, and that is the source of so many of these kinds of problems.
- Allen Blair
The best thing about this video is about 50 seconds in when Loren Feldman realizes Leo Isn't joking around as he bows his head and goes into his happy place while mommy and daddy fight: http://img.skitch.com/2009060...
- BryanSchuetz
Lol :/
- Colin
If you guys put this back together, you guys rock, seriously.
- Colin
Steve: I gotta drive up to the city, so will be calling in from my new Prius.
- Robert Scoble
This video has "Keyboard Cat" written all over it!
- Chris
Serenity Now. Serenity Now.... :-)
- Jeff Weber
chris can't we get like a keyboard penguin or something.. you know something fresh...
- Steve Ford
I'm so thankful that R. Scoble invented "real time web"! I'm joshin' :) Unless he actually did.
- Michael Kaiser
I thought Al Gore invented it?
- John Brazel
There goes the Bulleit Bourbon?
- TunisianGuy
@BryanSchuetz ROTFLOL
- Adam Turetzky
don't know about him, but I am done, that's for sure. These apologies took too long to come imho
- TunisianGuy
I was missing the show until I saw the article on Techmeme, yay!
- Ryan Massie
The show must go on http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Amyloo
Back live woooo!
- Moobie
live.twit.tv
- TunisianGuy
yayyyyy
- TunisianGuy
Someone with mad skills please mashup the GG video with keyboard cat to the tune of "Saturday Nights All Right for Fighting" by Elton John. Ohhh were back live, cool.
- John Brazel
Part2
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Very civilized! Way to get it together guys! Job done! :-)
- Moobie
LOL. This is better than TV
- Bwana ☠
we need a minute please
- Tina Chase Gillmor
@Bill Lol @ the plant
- zephyrlily
I guarantee half the TWiT fans have their recorders going now :)
- Bwana ☠
Bwana - Lol! :-)
- Moobie
I upped the first part here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... and will do the same with this part
- Jack
Was this the "new media" equivalent of O'Reilly's great "F$&k it, let's do it live" outburst? (not to compare Leo to Bill as Leo Rules)
- Tim Hughes
I blame the Pre Leo...
- Bwana ☠
Personally Leo...I enjoy the show. Hope it continues it is very intelligent 99% of the time. There is a lot to be said about the show...and all that goes on on it.
- Kevin Hart
keyboard cat is uploading again...i deleted it because the quality was too poor
- Thomas McGivern
I love it, it makes me remember the good ol' days of IRC.
- Ryan Massie
Love ya Leo. Takes a big man to own up to a mistake (understandable as it may be)
- Scott Edwards
Now the show will be tame :)
- Bwana ☠
I can just picture keyboard cat waiting for the cue
- zephyrlily
lol
- Chris
LOL stop zephyr...I'll be laughing the whole show
- Bwana ☠
You are a class act Leo!
- invariant
Arrington's "apology" was merely a bunch of excuses ("I wasn't watching the video, blah, blah") I don't come to TWIT for confrontational tatics like Arrington's. Dialogue and discussion -- yes. Being a jerk -- no.
- Joel R
LEO: I was the one who quickly posted the YouTube video (MPB326) and I felt kind of bad about it in a way. I have been following you since your Tech TV days and love what you are about. I think you were totally in the right in this situation although overall I think it was a misunderstanding. Message me if you want the link to add an annotation to the video.
- Mike Bracco
Yes, mike's audio is fine.
- Cliff Gerrish
leo, you are great.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
Well done both Leo and Mike
- Kim Landwehr
Perhaps there is hope for the Middle East.
- Karoli
hiccup
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Leo, I think you overreacted a tad but I reckon I would've too, Arrington was way to quick and aggressive in his questioning. At least you guys made up.
- Marco Ho
Tina, recording part ii
- Cliff Gerrish
What Calacanis incident?
- Chris
Well done Mike - I have high respect for Arrington after this.
- Jesse Stay
I like Arrington's style.
- Colin
thanksCliff
- Tina Chase Gillmor
it's not the questions Mike asks, it's the snark-laden tone.
- Karoli
Questioning a man's integrity without any justifiable reason is an insult and Leo is absolutely correct for what he did.
- Paul
Tina, the first part is here if you need it http://www.archive.org/downloa...
- Jack
karoli, re: snark, which is what made the contrast with the nice in memoriam so jolting
- Amyloo
He never apologizes.... explains his attitude.
- zephyrlily
keyboard cat is back up!! http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Thomas McGivern
This is one of the most amazing interviews I've ever heard. I am learning so much, and gaining a ton of respect for Arrington after this.
- Jesse Stay
No doubt about it, these guys are heavyweights.
- Colin
The same props go to Leo for being such a great interviewer.
- Jesse Stay
Steve is angry :(
- David Lloyd
can't blame Steve for being angry. A lot of crap was posted on this stream that was unfair to him and to Tina.
- Karoli
Thanks Karoli ... tough few days
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Scobey! Welcome to the show!
- Colin
Yay, we have ourselves a show
- Robert
Jack, are you recording?
- Robert
I wish Mike would open up more - he really is a good guy inside, and has great intentions.
- Jesse Stay
moving right along...
- Brad Kligerman
yep, this part will be up at http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... later
- Jack
So what's happening in tech?
- Colin
This week in therapy
- Thomas McGivern
Leo vs Steve is coming up next...
- Chris
Thanks Jack, all those missing these live shows thank you
- Robert
As a journalist you have to ask tough questions
- Jesse Stay
This is even better then a 2-2 tie in the 12th... oh yeah, the Dodgers won that one.
- Brad Kligerman
I'm glad I stayed up (it's 2am here) reading the FF comments and TC comments - I nearly went to bed thinking the show would be taking another hiatus
- Jack
Steve has a good wife.
- Colin
I seriously cannot believe this has happened. Kudos to you, Leo and definitely Mike for not throwing the F You's back and apologizing so quickly. I am happy that these two have a respect for each other and tech to and us, to come back, publicly apologize and try to continue to do the show. I'm almost teary eyed!
- Lise
Leo's in his "battle stance"
- Colin
Is this a kumbaya moment or another shit storm?
- Brad Kligerman
Leo doesnt need Gilmore's Gang!
- Chris
Chris, networks have interdependencies
- Karoli
We shall see.
- Antoniu
Wow, I just dropped in on some serious stress!
- Aaron T. Harvey
Robert remember this is Our community. Leo Gives us a voice and we use it.
- Andrew Johnson
I'm not saying everything that is said is correct or needs to be said though
- Andrew Johnson
Andrew, so you're saying that because I am a GG fan from way, way back, I'm not entitled to speak, or be heard?
- Karoli
For GG to work on Twit network, Steve has to retake center stage on the video feed... the production has to visually and audiably recenter around Steve.
- Brad Kligerman
of course i'm not saying that Karoli
- Andrew Johnson
I wonder if this video will go viral like Santelli's?
- Stephen Pickering
Excellent point Brad
- Robert
My point, Andrew, is that Steve has a community, too
- Karoli
I do agree with Brad.
- Karoli
I'm just saying that the show came to our commmunity so we get a voice too
- Andrew Johnson
Yeah, I think out of respect for Steve, Leo should have maybe left, but not pulled the plug
- Stephen Pickering
I'm listening to the restart of the show with all the kiss and make up. Bottom line GG doesn't belong on TWiT and should go somewhere else.
- saf
Steve needs to stop reading this chat
- Robert
I agree, I think he's taking it too literally
- zephyrlily
i think it is irc that he is speaking of
- Andrew Johnson
Wow, this makes for an interesting Saturday online.
- Verbal
Steve Gilmor please dont take yourself so seriously
- earl wallace
Oh that's not true, Mike. I don't want a fight. The drama was interesting and so is this public apology but I want a show about tech, not flame wars. I can go read youtube comments for that.
- Lise
Lots of respect for the content, but seems like its about the people instead of the ideas way too often.
- Joel Asaro
Pretty hard not to read the chat....Steve has always been tuned into viewers' responses.
- Karoli
FTR I like every single person on this call. I find this show incredibly interesting because they're all truly opening up. I want this to continue if every episode can be like this.
- Jesse Stay
We don't have a problem with you Steve, thanks for putting this show together.
- Colin
Leo, the drama is the show.
- Karoli
i'm confused... leo added drama too
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
This is not going to end well......
- David Peralta
If I wanted Meet the Press, I'd turn on David Gregory
- Karoli
This is the most riveting show on any network I've seen in a while, it's genuine.
- Matthew
Uh oh, the Middle East won't reconcile
- Karoli
Gillmore Gang has value but Steve cant handle the spotlight...welcome to radio, tv, etc if you put yourself out there you need to expect this to some extent
- Gary Gannon
I don't get Leo's rap on the 'drama'. Ageed Karoli
- Brad Kligerman
Ohhhh....
- Amyloo
Woah - where did Dave Winer come into this?
- Jesse Stay
internal angst
- zephyrlily
I remember drama on the GG 2 years ago, its not all from the "chat" or even just Dave Winer...
- Robert
the content is what it is because of the conflict. It is.
- Karoli
Gilmore Gang has always been about conflicting personalities in tech... Leo, you should have known that when you let Steve do his show on TWiT
- Ryan Merket
Everything is political. People are passionate. It is what creates pearls
- Karoli
Steve's feelings are hurt. I think because what Leo did, by closing the show, really made Steve feel like he wasn't in control. Okay, I get that. I hope they can resolve this now with Steve.
- Lise
'do without the drama' Steve Gillmor. Leo has got to understand that statement.
- Brad Kligerman
Steve is a gateway drug, like marijuana.
- Colin
I think nobody's better than Leo. But geez, once again it seems his ego's in the way.
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
We need Steve to hook all these people up!
- Colin
talking about each other is part of the attraction. It is one way to figure out how people think
- Karoli
We don't want to see you dead, Mike
- Stephen Pickering
It's like watching Crossfire, but with a bunch of tech geeks
- zephyrlily
There's drama because this show gets bogged down in personality fights.
- Joel R
We're not crazy!! *twitches*
- Robert
the content and the passion are indivisible
- Hilary Talbot
I would never spit on you, Mike. And I'm proud of you for how you've handled all this.
- Lise
SteveGillmor - Based on the comments in this thread, I suggest you come back to uStream
- Karoli
I <3 you all guys
- Jesse Stay
@Jesse The show is happening now because of a conversation that Leo had with Dave Winer according to Leo's post in this FF thread
- Antoniu
Sounds like they have patched things up.
- Mike Doeff
Mike, it the whole anonymity thing... we don't want you dead. people just shout because they think you won't hear.
- Jan Zimak
@321 I don't understand how that has caused drama though
- Jesse Stay
Man they are really slamming us here on FriendFeed
- Stephen Pickering
Underwear 12 y/os? wtf?
- Ryan Merket
What if I'm in my undies AND rational still? heh
- Lise
I haven't read anything here that was like life threatening
- Stephen Pickering
OMG, you guys have a show where you are critical of your subjects, you get heated and personal sometimes yet blame us in chat for doing the same sometimes too? It is our fault? We are the bad guy? lololol
- Andrew Johnson
This chat is infinately more mature and constructive than the IRC chat is
- Robert
Is Robert on an AT&T network? Is that how bad it is?
- Stephen Pickering
i think leo and mike have made up, but steve is the one with the attitude now
- Dano Hart
Please no one tell the IRC chat about this chat
- Jesse Stay
That IRC chat is a disaster
- Mike Doeff
Being in the chat room is a bit like being at Comic Con, you always think YOU'RE the normal one, but everyone looks a bit crazy to outsiders.
- Aaron T. Harvey
I think more of the 12 year olds are on the irc, Robert. heh They're not quite FFing yet.
- Lise
Jesse, why does Arrington slam the FriendFeed chat so much? I've never read terrible things here
- Stephen Pickering
No, @Dano, Steve is the one that still has something to work out. He's trying to save his show.
- Brad Kligerman
Of course Scoble would say it is easy to block people here
- Jack
Many of us here are on all chats simultaneously
- earl wallace
Brad, Steve's show will go on whether it's here or some where else
- Karoli
Stephen, I'm not sure, but this particular chat has been pretty anti-Arrington before this current live stream. He may be referring to that. FF in general has been pretty anti-Arrington from what I've seen.
- Jesse Stay
You guys have made that show, you're doing it right now.
- Colin
you make it sound like it's all at Leo's command. It's STEVE'S show.
- Karoli
can we PLEASE talk about the Palm Pre. I'm drunk already
- TunisianGuy
gillmorgang is valuable to me... I waited the whole week for this. Their are other people on this thread who also find it valuable. I don't understand why there is a question as to whether it should be on the network or not. If people don't like it, they can skip it and watch the other shows that they do like.
- Adnan
Just missed the GG incident this afternoon, but got to see FF unfurl the story (and the youtube replay). I'm not going to weigh in on the personalities because I just discovered GG this week...I was going to start listening for energetic and insightful banter. Now, I have been thinking about what happened today and about the back-and-forth I've read here. From the few podcasts I've...
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- Jason Miller
why do you want Gillmor Gang to be TWIT II?
- Karoli
Seems to me that the back story is that Arrington was jealous that he did not get a Pre and wanted to spoil the fun. Pretty simple. Getting lectured from Arrington on disclosure ethics was the last straw for Leo.
- Jim Posner
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I like this show because it's powerful personalities.
- Colin
I think the debates and snarky comments are what makes the show great
- Gary Gannon
Jim, I think it's a misunderstanding more than anything from what it sounds like
- Jesse Stay
why is there a problem with drama? These guys are passionate
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert I think is friends with everyone. I don't know if I've ever heard of anyone he hates. He's good that way.
- Jesse Stay
Tina, I have no problem with drama. I'm not in love with SNARK
- Karoli
Jesse, no, Mike really was attacking Leo's credibility, and I'm not anti Mike. I like Arrington
- Stephen Pickering
The drama is the reason I listen to GG, and not TWiT
- Jack
Gillmor's talking but no one can hear.
- Sprague D
Gilmore is always angry, aggressive and unpleasant, and he fosters that. Period. It's not the conversation, it's the tone. It's unfriendly and it's not Leo. If Gilmore wants that as his show, cool. But I'm with Leo in that I don't think it fits well with Twit.
- Libertine
Ohh! Awwww. First time in a while to FF and I thought I could catch GG (kinda tough, just look at the sub-domain on TC; I thing they went "underground" for a reason). I appreciate both sides of the story. Everyone should calm down and join my new movement: What Would Spock Do? or WWSD?
- coldbrew
Karoli - I think you hint at the problem SteveG is discovering. It's Steve's show on Leo's network... using Leo's live audience, and Leo's live chat... Steve's seeing *Leo's* network react, and not seeing *his* audience's feedback. As a result: he's offended.
- tollie williams
Drama is fine, Leo just doesn't like it when people call him out on getting free/pre-released stuff, and saying "Love it! Totally impressed..." -- which he should have said "Palm sent me a 7 day loander to try it out, and I love it, totally impressed"
- Ryan Merket
I think if we got Feldman on here he could solve this for us: http://img.skitch.com/2009060...
- BryanSchuetz
All I can say is I have gained a completely new respect for Mike Arrington from this show. He manned up to this one, misunderstandings were cleared up, and I see him as an entirely new person after this. I give him my respect on this one.
- Jesse Stay
good point ryan merket
- Dano Hart
I'm not a regular listener of GG, but the times that I've tuned in seemed like there was drama and people were a bit flaming. I like shows with less drama than GG. I'm not sure who has reason. I don't think that this is black and white. Having the show squeaky clean wouldn't be interesting, but the drama just gets annoying and simply delays the tech.
- Paulius G
Moral of the story: Don't call out Leo if he holds the "off" button
- Ryan Merket
@tollie very good insight
- earl wallace
Stay: Agreed.
- coldbrew
Audiences long for access to this show.
- Colin
@Ryan that's not the case at all
- Harvey Birdman
So, I missed the setup of this call. Is Scoble the moderator? Why is he on? :)
- tollie williams
Leo having Steve turned down is EXACTLY what is wrong with the show in its current form
- Jack
There's a difference between a spirited discussion and flaming.
- Mike Doeff
+1 Colin
- Brad Kligerman
You all need to *come back* and make up live. [EDIT: I mean "real time"]
- coldbrew
Hug it out guys.
- Mike Doeff
Jack, agreed.
- Karoli
I agree with Gillmor , no need to change the show... go to Mevio where the ADULTS are
- John Hillestad
"With all due respect". Got it.
- Sprague D
The show would fit the network if it doesn't disclosing free/pre-released phones.
- Ryan Merket
Steve and Leo I think have different audiences. It all comes down to if it's worth merging those audience.
- Jesse Stay
I'm happy that Leo cares about us as a community. The normal, non drooling ones, of course.
- Lise
Ryan missed a 1 hour Palm Pre unboxing where Leo stated about 20 times it was review Unit...but that's ok.
- Bwana ☠
I think we might be seeing the end of the GG/Twit collab. Steve is realising its not working. Leo seems conflicted, he wants to keep the content on the show, but he is not comfortable with it. But Leo does an excellent job of hosting the show. I fear for the continuity and quality of the GG if its not on Leo's network
- Robert
Without a community there's no one to consume your content.
- Aaron T. Harvey
"I dont care about the community"-Steve Gillmor. My respect has risen for Mike Arrington and lowered for Steve Gillmor tonight.amazing
- Dano Hart
Dano, how about the full quote? What he said was "I do what I think is important to do"
- Karoli
Can you imagine a professional broadcaster on TV or radio talking about their audience this way?
- Sprague D
It kinda hurts when the broadcaster publicly advises dosent care about his listeners
- David Peralta
I think my favorite Gillmor Gang episode was the one where Marc Canter kept showing a big bowl full of marijuana buds on his video screen every chance he could get. That was classic!
- Thomas Hawk
"those people who don't like reality"... ok. same to ya. :)
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Steve please do this on a closed call
- earl wallace
Steve is just hurt. And I think he's not feeling respected.
- Lise
Leo just pointed out my entire current frustration... why the hell is the show not post-published if Steve indeed feels that people -should- be able to Fast forward through it
- Robert
"I dont care about the community" implies "I mostly care about the content'
- Brad Kligerman
@Dano agree, if Steve doesnt care about the community at all then why put it out? Just talk to your buddies on the phone.
- Gary Gannon
Just produce a show where you argue about tech and not about each other. Outside of this incident, it's all very self-indulgent anyway.
- bobrudge
Bwana: This is looking for justifications while already having one's side chosen
- coldbrew
I can be passionate while avoiding drama. It's an acquired skill. Kinda like laughing without shooting milk through your nose.
- Bwana ☠
Interesting to see if there is any brand impact to all of this..Seems they all have the Martha Stewart problem with the name and brand tightly coupled.
- Jim Posner
This show is going no where now
- Jesse Stay
It looks like the show will be moving to a different 'network'.
- Verbal
This has been brewing for a while
- Mike Doeff
i think the community can create content,and help and push content. So saying you don't care about the community,is not saying your care more about the content
- Dano Hart
Anella: Yes ;)
- coldbrew
The problem is Leo can turn off the show
- Jack
The show can go on with Leo
- Bwana ☠
The thing you all should know about Steve's community comment? He does care about the community. Do you think people who don't care bother with discussions on FriendFeed? All he said was that ultimately HE does what HE feels is important
- Karoli
dude bwana,shooting milk thru your nose IS a skill.hehe
- Dano Hart
Rename it to The Leo Laporte Gang! Thats what it is!
- Chris
Leo you can build up TWiT Sunday and then split it soon into Sat/Sun
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
The show can go on without Leo
- Bwana ☠
Jack: Yes, broadcasting live via IP is so difficult these days. It would take millions!
- coldbrew
Steve is just too hurt right now. I feel bad for him. But he needs to cool down
- Lise
Bwana, yes, but can it go on with AND without Leo?
- Jesse Stay
I am Reviled
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Why does Steve do a show if he doesnt care if people watch it or not?
- Chris
Jesse - I see what you did there. Wait..No I don't
- Bwana ☠
Chris, because he believes the content is important.
- Karoli
Steve works for Mike, BTW.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
Steve you know more than anyone else the internet mirrors real life. Please understand the chat in the same light.
- earl wallace
No one is dependant on anyone else. Steve can organise the show on his own wherever he wants, like he did for a long time.
- Robert
Gillmor could take this live on his own with minimal help. Lots of people *sitting* here could do it in an hour or less.
- coldbrew
Bwana, I'm confused!
- Jesse Stay
If Steve does want complete control then he does need to move it. You can't have complete control when Leo sits at the helm
- Lise
We Collegiates are Reviled
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Who would have thought an hour ago that Gillmor would be the one to come out of this the worst - seems to have taken an ego hit and wants everyone to remember it's 'his' show. Pretty pathetic performance.
- bobrudge
Leo was liberal with those F bombs : )
- Mike Doeff
collegial is for talk shows, radical is for Gillmor
- Brad Kligerman
LOL Mike. Seriously. I really like Arrington a lot more now. I can't believe he stepped up and handled this so awesomely. "F you. F you. F you. Bye" haha
- Lise
Yeah - Leo's got it - Gillmor Gang needs to decide what it wants to be when it grows up. What's the overall purpose and premise behind the show?
- Jesse Stay
You can't take it with you has never been more true.
- Aron Michalski
Steve is coming off a little bit arrogant, though rightfully so in some ways. Honestly, I think that Leo should stay on GG, but take it off of TWiT. If Steve wants control, he should get it.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
oh now steves crackin the jokes.alright!
- Dano Hart
@Steve ROFL. Looks like we hit a resolution.
- Ryan Merket
Stay: It's that there is no premise and it's some people Gillmor knows and likes talkin shit.
- coldbrew
stop trying to classify things, Leo, and go with the flow. It's been kinda working since Gillmor Gang has been here.
- Brad Kligerman
Jesse, I agree w/ you (and Leo) that Mike has proven to be a different person that I previously thought he was. Silver lining here might be that these types of 'misunderstandings' are headed off before they boil over in the future.
- Chris Heath
Someone just asked me this question: if this is gillmor, why is laporte seeming to host? (1st time on GG)
- Karoli
coldbrew, I think with that, Leo's taking risk then. Steve's got to state what the show is for it to make sense on Leo's network. That's nothing against Steve's show - it's just in conflict with the organization of Leo's network.
- Jesse Stay
I think we forget that these guys have real lives, real problems, and stress that can leak into this show.
- Mike Doeff
932 PM GEORGIA hi is dave glad yall are back on
- daveccorey
Karoli, because it's on Leo's network
- Lise
It's kind of surreal to hear this thing play out while in my car. Thank you, iPhone app. Can the Pri do that? :-)
- Joel R
LOL - Last words out of Mike's mouth, "and I got a Techmeme headline out of it"
- Jesse Stay
Can someone please turn this drama into a 30 second video for YouTube :0
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
okay, real last words out of Mike's mouth, "Go Leo!"
- Jesse Stay
I love so much that they brought this back out live to do it.
- Lise
Who in here has this recorded?
- Jesse Stay
I'm kind of amazed at about how transparent these guys are being. I appreciate that.
- Mike Doeff
Whoo! GO JACK!
- Robert
No offense Steve, but welcome to the real-time web
- Jesse Stay
I'll put this up at http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
Leo, remember that people can scrub back on the BitGravity feed and then screen-capture or record the audio.
- Paulius G
Welcome to the interwebs Steve
- Gary Gannon
Christopher: yeah, I heard about SkyFire on Windows Weekly. Sounds pretty cool.
- Joel R
I knew it would be a tame show after that
- Bwana ☠
LOL Leo. Awwww @ the loooove
- Lise
That was actually pretty interesting, maybe we'll see a This Week in Drama soon.
- Antoniu
I learned a lot from this. As I said before I have a newfound respect for both Leo and Mike Arrington.
- Jesse Stay
I wanna hug all my gadgets. Yay tech!
- Lise
i'm hungry.whos buyin? hehe
- Dano Hart
This is TWID!
- Joel R
is the bar open yet?
- Andrew Johnson
TWiD - nice!
- Aaron T. Harvey
After all of that i do have more respect for Mike now, I think alot has been learned today
- David Peralta
@leo it always good to hear an opinion that you don't hear agree with. you can't have good without evil.
- Jan Zimak
Everyone has a shadow, the trick is learning how to give the shadow recognition privately, so that it doesn't come out publicly like it did today
- Stephen Pickering
And 3 hours later we get the Pre review
- Jack
Judging by Leo's little presentations, the Pre interface seems pretty slow
- Bwana ☠
that would drive me nuts
- Bwana ☠
Nice UI - a little 'roundy/pudgy' though. Is it comfortable to hold?
- Aaron T. Harvey
Aaron, yeah looks kind of thick
- Mike Doeff
Right, it's not as fluid as an iPhone. It's ages better than any Windows mobile or Palm OS phone, but still not too close to the iPhone. However, competition is great. And this hopefully means more interesting features in the future from the iPhone.
- Paulius G
Bwana - Just got home and stumbled across this thread. What would we do without Friendfeed?!
- Charlie Anzman
Diabolical. Legal maelstrom becomes misdirection play, host catches fecal backlash.
- Aron Michalski
Steve/Tina - Hang in there. I'll touch base soon, hopefully we can connect next week
- Karoli
Charlie - we'd be all over Google looking for details :)
- Bwana ☠
I like that app dock
- Mike Doeff
I wonder how the battery life is with background apps running, since the drain on the battery is supposed to be one of the reasons that Apple won't allow background apps on the iPhone.
- Antoniu
321 - Despite what Apple may say, it's a memory issue moreso than battery
- Bwana ☠
Is anyone going to post the make-up video?
- Jim Posner
that phone does look pretty slick
- Dano Hart
looks sluggish
- Robert
anyone want some koolaid?
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
No it doesn't matter..I noticed it when he first unboxed it
- Bwana ☠
It's sluggish all around
- Bwana ☠
bye
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I love great notification systems, and Palm has one
- Bwana ☠
Apple should hire the guy who hacked together Growl for iPhone :)
- Bwana ☠
Definitely cool how notifications and things pop up on the screen
- Cory Roush
Thanks! My stream is stuttering so I'm getting gaps
- Aaron T. Harvey
flawless ustream for me today
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
That charger is ingenius
- Jesse Stay
Nintendo kills me with that
- Bwana ☠
Jeff Cannata on TWiT?!
- Chris
It doesn't make sense...that's why it infuriates me
- Bwana ☠
Will it sync with Palm Desktop is the question I have
- Bwana ☠
For the die hard Palm'ers
- Bwana ☠
Did the Pre show up in iTunes? I heard it does...
- Aaron T. Harvey
Nicholas James : Unfortunately I'll only be posting audio :-(
- Jack
That'll come
- Bwana ☠
People have to update their code to catch the Pre's browser string
- Bwana ☠
do a quick test
- Bwana ☠
Call goog-411 and surf while you do it :)
- Bwana ☠
It's a good time to be a Phone lover
- Bwana ☠
It is "good competition" to the iPhone
- Jesse Stay
Pres, G1s, and iPhone giving Nokia and RIM some stiff stiff competition
- Bwana ☠
Poor Motorola
- Bwana ☠
monday it will be 3rd
- Byron McCollum
O_O dead pixel blues
- Bwana ☠
Storm 2 will be out in a few months...love the competition
- Bwana ☠
his thumb covers 4 keys
- Bwana ☠
Best keyboard I've ever had was the T-Mobile MDA
- Jesse Stay
i could never use that analog keyboard
- Byron McCollum
Leo - if you're missing a Brazilian BBQ (we, the enlightened, call it a churrasco), then your priorities are certainly out of order. Get off that ball and in front of a skewer of meat ASAP. Grad yourself a caiparinha, too. You've earned one or four today.
- Jason Miller
I couldn't go back to a physical keyboard.
- Aaron T. Harvey
That's your "We'll do it live" moment Leo :)
- Bwana ☠
For me the apology will long out-live the video.
- Colin
LOL Bwana
- Lise
Nooooo
- Bwana ☠
Dont do it Leo
- Andrew Johnson
We could post your apology
- Aaron T. Harvey
Mostly you gain publicity, not negativity.
- Colin
I wouldn't :) :)
- Bwana ☠
Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer >:D
- Bwana ☠
do just the tribute and cut after that
- Andrew Johnson
Don't put it back on Leo. Only those of us following from the beginning will get it.
- Lise
Judge a man not by his friends, but by his enemies!
- Colin
we love you, Leo! And now, even Mike. Good job, Mike.
- Lise
We love ya Leo! Thanks for your support of us!
- Aaron T. Harvey
Go eat some meat Leo
- Bwana ☠
You deserve a few choice cuts
- Bwana ☠
See you in the morning, Leo.
- Lise
Man, one can only dream to have a setup like Leo :)
- Bwana ☠
Oh no, so much for the chat rooms slowing down tonight. Maybe I need to make some new macros for tonight :-P
- Andrew Johnson
now i want BBQ, thanks for another fun day everyone, tty tomorrow
- Andrew Johnson
this type of reality that we saw today is why the future of media on the web is so exciting .. we like real opinions and real emotions ... not the puffed and polished punditry that the mass media (blech) tries to spoon us on a daily basis. Keep doing the show Leo, we can take it, and the content is quality.
- Joe Magennis
Don't worry Leo!!! Good on you!!!
- Andy
Haha, this is drama for geeks.
- Manuel Mas
Wow Leo never seen that side of you Mic really asked for it though, One thing i can say about Leo Laportes reviews and recommendations is they are always what he really believes......
- John Spencer
I'm listening to the later call where Leo says he feels like Arrington baits people and Arrington is not once denying that he does. Arrington also says he never apologizes which also says a lot about him. If you are wrong what is so hard about apologizing?
- jccalhoun
I belive we saw true real-time reality TV in it's truest form today.
- Allen Blair
Seems to me Friendfeed is the winner in this scenario
- chad cicconi
listening to this later call I get the feeling that some of these guys have a difficult time clearly expressing themselves. They are also overly hypersensitive but aren't aware of just how abrasive they themselves are. Get thee to a therapist.
- jccalhoun
Chad - Not sure I follow your logic but 1110 comments says a lot about the 'players' and an incredibly wide spectrum of opinions.
- Charlie Anzman
Gillmor is now blaming the chatroom for the tone of the show? How is that?
- jccalhoun
Gillmore wants to take his ball and go home... Steve give it up and do your show we love you Man.
- Rock
Leo I hope that you keep this show. It is a bit different from other shows but the drama mostly is incidental to some really interesting discussions. I think a lot of it is direct styles of discussion between passionate personalities.
- Dominic
I'm not a big fan of the drama! I don't care for the show. To much beckering! I don't believe it fits the TWIT network.
- MarK
They don't seem to understand Leo's point that you can be aggressive without taking shots at people.
- jccalhoun
If Steve wants to take his ball & go home then FINE...Arrington was wrong & Steve is wrong not to acknowledge it...Techcrunch has been hit time & time again for it's "ethics"..Maybe that's why Palm didn't send them a review unit? Why send one to someone who has pre-judged your product? Arrington the Bill O'Reilly of tech?
- David J. Garcia
from twhirl
Just watched the re-run. Leo, Gillmor Gang is the best show on your network and Dominic nailed the reason why there is drama and today we got the confirmation that you're only human too.
- Alberto Saavedra
Just dump the show. I'd rather watch reruns of your other shows that are all superior to what Steve has to offer anyway
- Andy
i want to go to techcrunch to see if Arrington has brought it up, but then I'd be giving that bastard pageviews.
- Dave Martin
dave: mike posted his side of the 'blow up' in a post titled "ouch" and he posted the youtube video too - it was kind of an apology, and leo accepted and apologized himself for his reaction - leo came back to the studio, got mike, steve, and scoble on and they talked it all out - hopefully everything is all good - it was re-running on the stream, i think that's over tho and the stream is on to the next re-run
- Chris Heath
Can I download the show somewhere?
- Wo
dave: in the 'second half' of the GG mike admitted that he only apologizes about once a year, and that he was being and asshole
- Chris Heath
Downloads available here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
i think mike and leo are cool now - but steve still seemed pissed that the audience doesn't read his mind or something - it's kind of akin to how steve get's irked by people asking about the podcast for the GG (which hasn't been available since april) - steve moving over to twit widend his audience and he probably feels a bit out of control of his show since the audience (live audience...
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- Chris Heath
as I stated earlier on Twitter I have blocked techcrunch via OpenDNS settings
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Listening to the continuing discussion of this blow up reminds me of the reaction of the NPR Planet Money blog commenters to Adam Davidson's interview with Elizabeth Warren. Long after the protagonists have calmed down and made peace, the internet seethes with rage. Where's the sense of perspective, friendfeed peeps?
- Matt Hall
Yeah, but he's unboxed a Pre at this point so... yeah :)
- Jay Cuthrell
Matt Hall -- it's only been like 4 hours since it happened. That's hardly "long after" ;-)
- jccalhoun
jccalhoun - In the real-time world it is ;)
- Matt Hall
If you go by Steve's logic and he doesn't care about the audience, then it doesn't matter if the plug is pulled. Don't think Leo minds banter, but just doesn't want the kind of p2p internal drama trolling you'd see on a World of Warcraft forum per say. Mike was def out of line, he apologized. Steve on the other hand seems like he needs to let "his" show go to Leo. Leo appears...
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- Jonathan Langdale
Here's the NPR Planet Money episode and blog post I mentioned, for those of you who can't get enough of the drama: http://www.npr.org/blogs...
- Matt Hall
Most entertaining GG moment ever!
- Douglas
I am a huge TWiT content listener, and the primary emotion I feel after all of the shows is typically enthusiasm, optimism, and general good feeling. GG often leaves me frustrated over lack of manners, respect, and behavior issues. Passion over topics cannot disguise the fact that the overriding tone is contrary to the rest of the TWiT shows. I think it does not fit.
- Amac
This one is rapidly heading for 1500 comment territory... http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Jay Cuthrell
Leo doesn't need to "take over" the Gillmor Gang, he has TWiT among others which I think with the cross-pollination of some elements of the GG (JC for example) and exclusion of others (MA), is almost as good an experience. What amazes me is that Arrington still wonders why he polarises so many people...
- Hamish MacEwan
Just woke up from a Nice little Nap Has the GG been recorded somewhere? Really would like to see Todays GG 2.0
- Erle Stride
Thank you Nicholas
- Erle Stride
it doesn't surprise me in the least to hear a flippant remark from Arrington anytime a serious Apple competitor is brought into the conversation. Good for you Leo, he seriously needed a lesson in humility amd you delivered masterfully
- JCunwired
Anyone that Listens to MacBreak or TWiT knows that Leo has said he was going to buy a Pre a hundred times. Receiving a review copy means nothing, that is the industry standard practice. No apologies needed Leo, you were justified to be upset. Keep up the great work and you have my support!
- John - becomingamac.com
I think Leo should either pull the show from TWiT or allow someone else (Colleen?) sit in his seat to produce the show. Steve and Leo have very different goals. Leo puts his focus on the quality of the product for the audience. Steve puts his emphasis on running the show and doesn't care as much about quality. Leo spends thousands on equipment and facilities; Steve probably bought his webcam and headset on clearance and hosts the show from a rumpus room.
- Matt Matthews
it appears that there is a demand for gg and if leo thinks its in the best interest of his nework to host it, i support that. however i think that it may be something he should consider having someone else host. as his network grows he is going to need to share the helm and this may be a perfect opportunity. personally i would love to see it a little more like the old tech tv lineup....
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- Tobias Lewsadder
Last week the Gillmor Gang was moved to Friday recordings and Leo did call in from home with Colleen runing the board. That was going to be the new recording arrangement but personal issues meant that the show couldn't be done this Friday and so they did it Saturday. So at least the plan was for Leo not to be appearing on the show from his studio any more.
- jccalhoun
As far as I'm concerned the GG has always been an inferior offering which seemed only to serve the egos of those involved, long before it ever was hosted by TWiT Network. I don't think TWiT would be any the less without it. Regardless of the current argument.
- Dave Wallace
Wow. Just saw what happened earlier. Good for Leo. I'm quite confident that Leo is not proud of his behavior, but Arrington has been an insufferable prick for quite some time, and utterly had this coming. That it came from Leo speaks volumes, and should have Arrington re-thinking his own conduct.
- Phil Essing
Nicholas James: Thanks for the update, but were these pro-forma apologies? Leo's reaction to Arrington's characteristic button-pushing was about as genuine as they come. I would expect Leo to apologise for his behavior, but not for putting Arrington in his rightful place.
- Phil Essing
I have to add I really enjoy the GG when Leo is NOT in Studio Leo should step back and be a guest out of the studio
- Erle Stride
This has to be the biggest FF comment list I've ever seen. I'm with Leo!
- Jim Graham
Just listening to part 2. Scoble just called in... Michael and Leo still making up. Steve's still waiting to weigh in. I think the fundamental mismatch between Steve and Leo's approaches to dead air is irreconcilable, and today sort of brought that to the forefront.
- Ken Sheppardson
Not just dead air, I guess. Hm.
- Ken Sheppardson
We love you Leo!
- Imran Idris
Not sure why people are calling for the GG to be removed from the Twit Network. It's an odd fit but a good one nonetheless. Whatever happens I am glad that apologies have been exchanged and we can draw the line on this drama.
- Jamie
Been thinking about all of this since it happened, and particularly about the impression that people took away from Steve's comment about community. Unfortunately, people listened to the first part without putting it into the larger context of the entire statement. When looked at in the context of the entire statement, it is completely consistent with how Steve Gillmor rolls. It is an...
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- Karoli
+1 Karoli
- Brad Kligerman
The answer is clear. John C. Dvorak should be added to the mix. The TWiT+GG+CG trifecta would be the driving cat.
- Jay Cuthrell
arrington shut down the comments on his post "ouch" at techcrunch dot com. he was getting ridiculously rude comments. isnt that why everyone was mad at him, for being rude?
- Tobias Lewsadder
Tobias: Actually, they were mad at him for questioning Leo's integrity. That's a little different from being rude. I suppose they didn't listen to Part II of today's Gillmor Gang, where Leo and Mike made amends, and Mike admitted he was a couple of steps ahead in the conversation, forming a rant about Palm. It was an astonishing moment for me to hear him admit he was 100% wrong. Given that he did, rude comments seem a bit out of line. I'd have shut them down too.
- Karoli
1164 comments. woah
- Tyler Gillies
a truly bad day with an incredibly awful end. Good night.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I can't believe there is already a Keyboard Cat on this, lol.
- Jamie
just stating the obvious: as everybody knows gilmor gang is pretty much a bunch of old men cursing, declaring their opinions, & highlighting time and again that ugly kindergarten fights can break out regardless of age, education or status. it fosters dirty tricks and underhanded-ness. at times it's trying to have an edge with uninteresting cheap shots. the people aspect detracts from...
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- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
http://tiny.cc/0diXG Maybe this is why Palm didn't send Mike a Palm Pre to review???? "We’ve never broken an embargo at TechCrunch. Not once. Today that ends. From now our new policy is to break every embargo. We’ll happily agree to whatever you ask of us, and then we’ll just do whatever we feel like right after that. We may break an embargo by one minute or three days. We’ll choose at random."
- Andy
@vstromdek but the record (now at 1173 posts with this one) is remarkable not only for the quantity of posts but also for its qualities> the diversity of points of view and the spontaneous manner that 2 communities (GG & TWiT) converged + deconverged around a strange and exceptional event. I agree @bwana, a victory for Friendfeed and real-time webs.
- Brad Kligerman
WOW!!! Leo said a bad word.
- Joe Demartino
...but I truly believe Leo is underestimating the essential force of Gillmor Gang: it is NOT a question of 'drama,' rather a question of the creative process engaged through critical confrontation, whose goal is the emergence of raw IDEAS. 'Idea' does not always = 'content.' The entropic spin-off of this process can perhaps be 'dramatic,' but drama is neither the intention, the device nor the content.
- Brad Kligerman
That was amazing. Don't press the buttons of the man pressing the buttons, huh? I think some animosity was brewing from Leo over the Last.fm RIAA issue that TechCrunch was on to. I like a lot of TWiT shows: the enthusiasm, humor and inquisitiveness draw me in. Now more than before, I appreciate the transparency of disclosures (review unit vs. purchase) that have always been there, but not as glaringly emphasized.
- Kevykev
The GG is the only show I don't watch on TWiT. It won't be missed, Leo. Don't waste your time with it anymore and focus your time on the other great content you create. That guy is a jerk and you don't need to feel bad or regret what you did.
- MIQAL
Questioning Leo's integrity was uncalled for. I don't know Leo other than listening to his netcasts since twit started and despite our limited digital one-way interaction I trust his judgment and wait to hear what he says about a gadget before I seriously considering purchasing. Leo's a seasoned enough professional that he's probably over the whole thing by now. Leo - From 9,000 miles and 10 times zones away - keep up the great work!
- Anant Gairola
Had a feeling it would be busy here.................
- Kevin J Hatton
Karoli-I heard Steve's comment re: community as he will not pander to any "community." If a community forms around his work great and if it doesn't that is ok too, is my take away from his comment. I am sure Leo having the power to shut down the show was a turning point as well, where it leads will be interesting to see.
- Jim Posner
karoli- i consider questioning someones integrity to be rude and insulting. arrington came off as a jerk. i did listen to that second gg and was rather impressed by how open both were and actually was a bit saddened by arringtons current emotional status. steves comments on how it was "his" show were a bit annoying but he is right. it would be interesting to see how well the show did...
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- Tobias Lewsadder
This gets a *facepalm* award for obvious reasons... see http://friendfeed.com/ffacepa...
- Richard Walker
Jim: The community that forms around editorial integrity is a far better one than the opposite. The issue of control, though...that's huge. Tobias: I agree that death threats are always out of line. And my dislike for Arrington and feelings that he has no compunction about stomping on people and then playing the victim when they push back do not mean that I support in any way, shape or...
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- Karoli
wasn't a fan of Steve Gillmor and didn't care for show didn't watch after second one
- Bob
keyboard cat #2 on digg.com http://digg.com/gadgets... I dont know if this makes me love the internet more or hate it.
- Thomas McGivern
Loren Feldman's video response is good.
- Stephen M. Otto
The second part of the show (post blow-up -- with Leo, Michael, Steve, and Scoble) is replaying right now on http://live.twit.tv.
- Ken Sheppardson
Seems a lot of brouhaha about a couple friends having a spat. Not sure doing this in the public-stream is adding much value. It's a bit like watching Oprha Winfrey and Barbara Walters having a spat on their show. Maybe it's entertainment?
- Michael Metz
Listening to the replay of the post-blow up broadcast. I totally understand why Leo blew up. I recently had a similar blow up where an aspect of integrity was questioned by someone close to me, and it hit a nerve. On the other hand, I think the purpose of GG is to probe deeply, and sometimes prosecutorially. If Leo doesn't want that style on his network, he should set GG free.
- Stephen M. Otto
Wow. I always miss the good stuff. Well not "good" but you know what I mean.
- Rustic Thoughts
Wow the Pre is a might sexier than my bulky android with that ridiculous "chin"
- Rustic Thoughts
I love the intro music....
- Rustic Thoughts
hey from georgia STILL WITH LEO the twits vedios out of order again stick kams working ok
- daveccorey
I'm jumping in--I wasn't at Woodstock, but I'm part of this historic conversation. And I'm with Leo. Anyone who has followed Leo for any length of time knows Leo's ethics. Shame on you Mike Arrington. You embarrassed yourself. And you revealed your true self.
- Hamilton Wallace
Hmm. . .wonder how many more people will know about the Pre as a result of Arrington's dickishness? Could this be something new: the Arrington bump?
- Hamilton Wallace
Would love to see Arrington on Cranky Geeks. Great job, Leo!!!
- Jim Corkrum
We can haz FF entry for TWiT?
- Ken Sheppardson
thanks to Denise we will in a second ken
- Chris Heath
I love Friendfeed! I don't find it difficult, not even a little bit.
- MarK
I wish the newest post in the thread was at the top. On mobile, it's a HUGE pain to scroll through all of the messages to the bottom.
- Karoli
Leo, you did the right thing. Mike A. is an A-hole.
- Samuel Cohen
is that my denise!!?
- jeneane sessum
(still watching)
- jeneane sessum
Wow... that Bing video search is... let's just say the secure web gateway market just got a nice pop.
- Jay Cuthrell
Matthew: Everybody was pretty much already on a side. This just gave them a reason to cheer for their team and against the other guy.
- Ken Sheppardson
In case anyone hasn't heard it, the 2nd part of the show is here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
I can empathize with Leo. I've flown off the handle in similar situations. Arrington did have an intriguing point, but it seems like he hijacked the conversation and got burned trying to be sensational. If he had waited for a break in the conversation around whether the Pre was actually any good and brought up his point as a topic of discussion, things would have gone much better. I think I'll steer clear of GG.
- Sam Ellis
Dude, MA is a total Richard. I am suprised you put up with it as long as you have. Everyone has limits man, I hope you don't feel guilty for it.
- Adam Deem
I'd love to filter out comments that are mostly "Person X is a(n) [adjective Y] noun Z." They are EXTREMELY tiresome to wade through. If you have built a case on an individual write it up and point to it. Then you can enjoy moderating idiotic comments to your own post. That said, what I read here before my eyes glazed over isn't so bad on the whole.
- Richard Walker
Christian Bale vs Leo Laporte vs Mike Arrington REMIX (with added calacanis dancing): http://tinyurl.com/l2vmyf
- Linton Davies
ZGood Job Leo It your network and everyone need to keep that in mind
- Richard Thomson
My rather late 2 cents on the Arrington/LaPorte exchange are here: http://bit.ly/aKZUc But Leo, you raise a MORE IMPORTANT POINT! The GG is not a good fit for your network. A few weeks you all laughed when my comment calling Gilmore "mean" bubbled up on the Skype-a-sarous. There is a reason that his show results in flame outs. Its the rather mean/unkind manner of the host. Guests take...
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- Dale Dietrich
Dale: I've been listening to some back issues of the GG and News Gang since this incident. I'm seeing that SG is very good at what he does, though he does it in a prickly and abrasive way. Sometimes he can be abrupt, but he is well informed and opinionated. It would be good for Leo to keep the GG in the TWiT stable - it broadens his portfolio, it keeps the cutting edge and insightful...
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- Jason Miller
Jason Miller: Well said. Steve is the best at what he does. It does take effort to get in the groove, but it's worth every second.
- Karoli
Got here from TechCrunch. FriendFeed: ".. the nearest thing to Shangri-La for mob justice enthusiasts.".
- Marisa Duma
not #FEEDwithHITS
- Yusuf Temur
Developer releases of Chrome for Mac & Linux: http://blog.chromium.org/2009... Very early versions, so don't use for critical work yet!
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Looks pretty exciting!
- TheHenry
sweet. finally.
- Jason
about time too
- ed fry
oh crap, just read Developer Versions :(
- Jason
Rough is definitely the operative word. Which build of WebKit do these use?
- Mark Trapp
From chrome's about:version "WebKit 531.0"
- Manu
Chrome on Mac slightly edges out Safari Beta on Sunspider test and on the V8 benchmark beats every other browser by a long margin. http://www.manu-j.com/blog... For a young javascript engine V8 is performing absolutely fantastic!
- Manu
Just remember that this is a very early version. Expect crashes and/or not for the faint of heart. :)
- Matt Cutts
been using nightly builds for a month now and I think so far it is fairly stable...have yet to try this version
- Braden Douglass
This Ubuntu PPA keeps you up to date on chromium: https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromi...
- Jason Brooks
Been using it (Chromium) for a little white on Ubuntu hasn't crashed yet and very easy on my old pc
- Ben
just downloaded it... looks pretty good for such an early beta version!
- Marko Saric
Want to learn more about Google Wave? Some links: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009... http://radar.oreilly.com/2009... http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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when do we get to play with it?
- Justin Long
"Mr. Rasmussen was more circumspect when it came to talking how Google would position Wave for consumers. He said that a rollout to the public was still months away.Mr. Rasmussen was more circumspect when it came to talking how Google would position Wave for consumers. He said that a rollout to the public was still months away." http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009...
- Jérôme
Dev. account today for attendees only.
- Jérôme
The real question is when do those dev applications submitted online begin to be granted access.
- Brandon Titus
"What might email look like if it were invented today?" - Lars Rasmussen, co-inventor of Google Maps & Google Wave
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What will Google Wave do to FriendFeed?
- Nenad Nikolic
I guess Friendfeed will become a technology playground, and remain an amazing community.
- Jérôme
Personally I think Wave != FF. There is overlap, but "sharing" and "friends" are life-sized concepts that don't reduce to single products or protocols.
- Daniel Dulitz
With the APIs being open, I think FriendFeed can out-wave Wave.
- Thaths
We added a 1-click login for Twitter users, so now it's easy for all your friends to try http://friendfeed.com
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To RT, click http://twitter.com/home... It uses OAuth, so no password is required, and it automatically finds your Twitter friends on FriendFeed! It also imports your profile and picture. Big thanks to http://friendfeed.com/bgolub for making all this happen! (also, existing users can go to http://friendfeed.com/friends... to find Twitter, Facebook, and Gmail friends)
- Paul Buchheit
fan bloody tastic! So we can post here and Twitterers can comment away without any complaints! The only think you need to try and do is bring in comments (about a share) from twitter into here! :)
- Zee.
This is great...should help new users quite a bit.
- Mark Krynsky
Bravo!!! Very nice!
- David Cook
nice
- Joe Azzara
thanks for making it effortless
- Vedran Agovic
That's fantastic! Keep it up guys!! :)
- iTad
I'm hoping this will help to entice people over here. I'd much rather talk to people via FF than Twitter
- WoH: Minding her Steves
FrF + OAuth. Like.
- tobe
Refresh your FriendFeed to see an updated first comment from Paul, including a link to RT this news: http://twitter.com/home...
- Dan Hsiao
OK, I admit I'm dense. As an existing user will this help me find the folks I follow on Twitter?
- Laura Norvig
Cool, is it possible we could have the ability to bulk import or non-FF Twitter friends as private feeds so we can track them in FF? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Laura, existing FriendFeed users should just go to http://friendfeed.com/friends... and click on the Twittter (and Facebook and Google) icons to find their friends. Kol, not yet, but I'm hoping to add something like that soon (improved imaginary friends).
- Paul Buchheit
Thx, Paul - guess I haven't been to that page since the launch. btw, I'm definitely coming around to the new friendfeed (colors notwithstanding).
- Laura Norvig
Great to see the standards working -OAuth fro Gogole and Twitter login on Friendfeed
- Kevin Marks
That's a great tool, Paul! Found a few from Twitter and Facebook I didn't realise were on FF...:)
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Oh man, that is suh-weet. Works really well.
- Laura Norvig
Paul, that would be wonderful, thank you. I'm keen to use FF as a kinda Twitter client. I'd love the ability to import my group I've created on Tweetvisor too but that would additionally require exporting facilities from Tweetvisor, and from asking them they've told me it's low priority (which is fair enough).
- Kol Tregaskes
That's fantastic! Sharing with all of my not-yet-friendfeedified twitter friends. Thanks, Paul!
- Eric Johnson
This IS good. Thanks for the hard work, Benjamin Golub.
- Micah
this is fabulous!!!
- Angela P.
It's so convenient for new comer like me!
- tsssimon
Just tried it and it works great.
- Iván Abrego
i have tried this too and am richer by 33 Twitter friends
- jagannath rao
Nice work. Keeps getting better around here :-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
WOW! 313 new Twitter people! Amazing what the OAuth did. Amazing. That just completely Rocks!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
That was just too easy, and found a bunch of Twitter people. I just subscribed, but I hope they participate. I'm sure I'll have to trim later.
- Eric
Thanks for everything Benjamin and the others, that is really great. :)
- Alp
I was subscribed to exactly 100 of the people I follow on Twitter. Added 93 more. Funny, this is actually helping me find people I *don't* want to follow in either place.
- Laura Norvig
I'm looking forward to the "advanced imaginary friends" section which lets me as an existing FriendFeed user view all the twitter updates from people that don't use FriendFeed.
- Brian Sloane
很好，继续努力
- Kunshou（困兽）
Sweet!
- Don Strickland
Just posted this to my stream then saw this, Cool stuff Paul
- Charlie Anzman
Some time ago I spent lots of time in removing my Facebook-Friendfeed integration, and didn't succeed, Facebook refused to remove it. Since that - no info about any other my services to Facebook, ever.
- orie
Happy to hear that there will be an improved imaginary friend option!
- Jacob
The improved imaginary friend feature will be great. No need to visit Twitter much then!
- Pinksy
FriendFeed is constantly bringing new value to the service. I'm loving it!
- Amie Gillingham
its relay cool
- Kaspar Minosiants
great idea
- andy brudtkuhl
Oh Thanks i was looking for something like this
- Asahi
Is the imaginary friends feature completely disabled for the moment? Or am I just not looking in the right place?
- Mark Jacobs
Mark: imaginary friends have been replaced by groups.
- Robert Scoble
When is OpenID coming up?
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
This feature is AWESOME :) Bravo!
- Iain Baker
I just imported 8,000 new Twitter friends. Worked MUCH BETTER than last time.
- Robert Scoble
Smart move guys. A quick way to grow FF users is to tap into the current hot properties. Can't believe other Social Networks are so slow to respond.
- Neill Adamson
Paul, is there a way to sync it so that people I no longer follow on Twitter are unfollowed on FriendFeed?
- Jorge Escobar
Great news on the advanced imaginary friends. That plus the ability to comment back to Facebook posts as easily as we reply to Twitter would be killer.
- Kevin Kuphal
Finally! :-)
- Richard Joerges
Not sure why this wasn't implemented a while ago but it's a welcome addition.
- Jason Williams
None of my Facebook contacts are on ff.
- JECO Photo
So how do existing FF members use it?
- Tiffany Monhollon
Ca passe 50 fois par jour ce truc là sur FriendFeed ! C''est pas possible d'arr^ter, j'en ai marre de le voir franchement ... ^^
- Jean-Marie Gall™
from twhirl
Tiffany, existing FF members should go to http://friendfeed.com/friends... to find their Twitter, Facebook, and Gmail friends.
- Paul Buchheit
Encore ?? C'est pas possible ! ;(
- Jean-Marie Gall™
from twhirl
RT'd ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@Robert cannot seem to do that with groups. What I want to do: Concentrate different RSS feeds (e.g. newswires) which do not necessarily have an account in any other social network into one imaginary friend's collection of feeds.
- Mark Jacobs
Mark, "groups" (formerly "rooms") are able to import feeds just like regular users (and imaginary friends). See https://friendfeed.com/xoogle-... for example (imports the blogs of all known xoogle startups). The only thing special about imaginary friends is that they don't have usernames (or rather we assign a random 128 bit username).
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, the DM option on imaginary friends should perhaps be removed. Also, imaginary friends do not show up on the search dropdown list when you type in their name in the search box.
- Kol Tregaskes
Paul, is it possible to automatically create "imaginary friends" from twitter following list? What I would like is to read all my Twitter in FriendFeed; many of twitterers though are not on FF, so I have to create them by hand which is tedious. Also, it would be nice to allow to add them to some special list.
- Ihar Mahaniok
Ihar, see my comment up in the middle and Paul's reply. Looks like FF are working on it. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Nice tool, discovered some more contacts !
- François Granger
love this guys wonderful
- Thomas Power
This must be the reason for all the new follows I've been getting over the last few days. Congrats!
- Michael Fidler
That's actually quite useful. Thank you!
- snapixel
Still would like an imaginary friend than making bunch of Groups to simulate peoples that doesn’t use FF. BTW, unlike the Facebook Connect login, when I tried logging in using Twitter, it made a new account for me on FF instead of opening my own (which also has Twitter activity added).
- Natsuki Seika
ditto to natsuki...
- Steve Austin
Wow, real nice and simply to add my Twitter friends :O
- Rosenkrieger
Good move!
- Lantrix
Is it possible to add this to a wordpress blog?
- Arturo Pelayo
@Arturo: http://wordpress.org/extend...
- Saxtus
hi me sid m new member of dis site.........
- Sidra Kanwal
Hi...Iam new member of dis site...I like it...!
- Nima Tamang
Earth Hour ? Burning up candles for an hour. Sure will do real good to Global Warming.
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Wow! Sri Lanka's Ministry of Defense have a map of the battle against the Tamil Tigers! http://www.defence.lk/orbat...
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How to lose Twitter followers in 10 steps http://nerdmag.co.za/how-to-...
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How to lose twitter followers in 1 step: http://twitter.com/account...
- Vishwajith
I'm sorry, the demo version of Nuclear Power Plant Manager has expired! http://www.upi.com/News_Ph...
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woooow!
- vijay
This Is How All User Agreements Should Be Displayed - http://aviary.com/terms
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Still kinda long, but definitely like the summary!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Microsoft video about IE8 loading speed - http://www.microsoft.com/windows...
Alex Sauceda, Miron, Nicholas Chase and 9 other people liked this
The video begins: "Recently there's been a lot of discussion about fast browers... lots of talk about lab testing that involves microbenchmarks that most consumers have never heard of."
- Matt Cutts
They say that a fast browser involves more than just fast loading times and then provide nothing but loading times?
- Benjamin Golub
I haven't watched this video yet, but my experience with IE8 thus far is that the performance has not been noticeably better then IE7, which is so slow that it forces developers to forego application features just to keep the browser from dragging to a halt. As far as I can tell, they seem to be focusing their efforts on making regular old web pages load quickly, because they're making no progress on runtime performance (or not trying, I can't tell which).
- Joel Webber
really funny. what I liked most is google.com loading in 0.20 secs and live.com loading in 3.40 secs. I wonder if they are blind and don't see how this loses users..
- Ihar Mahaniok
What is even more amazing is the number of people who suffer through IE8 and do not complain or switch to another browser
- Shakeel Mahate
The difference in speed, subjectively, between IE8 and Safari or Chrome on my Windows 7 machine isn't enough to make it important to me. I use Chrome because of the interface, not rendering speed.
- Ian Betteridge
If you watch the video carefullyi you'll see that Firefox is the one that loads the Microsoft.com fastest :)
- Goktug Okan Oguz
Nicholas Chase says: My Mother-in-Law is on a dial-up connection due to fixed income. AOL mail is all she can use.. I use FireFox after IE-x became slower and slower.
- Nicholas Chase
@all those who are (rightly) pointing out that the difference in loading and rendering speed among browsers doesn't matter much: That's basically true for most web pages, but there's something you're not seeing -- all the features and applications that don't get built because they can't be made to run acceptably on IE. I can't tell you the number of times I've told developers at Google and elsewhere "That would be a great feature, but you won't be able to make it run acceptably (or at all) on IE...
- Joel Webber
... You'll have to write two separate versions of that feature, and simply degrade it heavily on IE (in other words, for ~70% of your users)." Guess what happens when the schedule slips? Only the degraded version ever sees the light of day.
- Joel Webber
ah come on microsoft. don't act like a politician. IE8 is beta, but all other browsers are in their stable versions. and where is safari? safari 4 says it's the fastest browser (rendering html + js). yes daily routines are more important for users but browser usability (ui) is also much more important.
- Eren Emre Kanal
Here is the technical write-up that goes along with all those splashy titles and techno-music. http://www.microsoft.com/downloa... One problem with this study is that none of the tests were performed with an empty browser cache....
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