"This table, this chess set, this picture, this vase, this one, this one, bought this one, and these ones, and this one, and put that on the list. wtf??!?"
- Kyle Saric
Live now... this WEEK in TECH 200 with the original cast: John C. Dvorak, Patrick Norton, Roger Chang, and David Prager. http://live.twit.tv. Discuss here...
Twitter just reminds me TOO much of the child's game Telephone.
- CJ Sauk
I admire the US very much because of how they react. But they're more heated up about this than Iranians are. Where was this enthusiasm when Napal and Myanmar were trying to do the same thing
- Jackson Pollock
Glad things cooled off ... started to get a little too heated there ...
- Jason Beck
twitter is a huge mess. The few accounts that are twittering from Iran would have been using emails with CNN/BBC instead.
- Charbax
i submitted this story for:twit on delicious Leo
- Chris Heath
(a bit off topic) I'm curious what everyone is looking at on their Laptops...
- CJ Sauk
I did notice the amount of twitter spamming to get in the trending topics recently like "goodhead" for example
- gully666uk
Most likely because not much was happeneing
- Jackson Pollock
I'm looking at live.twit.tv and this friendfeed room on the same 19" screen
- Charbax
I've got TWiT on the TV and FF on the laptop.
- Byron McCollum
Sorry, I meant what they are watching...
- CJ Sauk
They're the most modern country in the region!
- Jackson Pollock
Iran is the biggest natural resource for natural gas in the world, who's talking about that? most expensive pipelines for oil would go through Iran
- Charbax
My parents lived in Saudia Arabia, they always tell me that Saudi only hoped to be as free as Iran is
- Jackson Pollock
hahaha, Patrick just added the green overlay to twitter!
- Jackson Pollock
I've only ever been to Bahrain and U.A.E.
- CJ Sauk
Good job nobody knows where Leo lives
- gully666uk
I think that might be why the US doesn't embrace soccer. It seems they don't sit down and watch something start to finish, they walk around and do other stuff while they watch TV, and therefor soccer is hard to keep up with
- Jackson Pollock
if you pay for cable, is it legal to download something that you've technically already paid for? all you're really doing is providing your own dvr service?
- Chris Heath
yeah speedwatching of American Football is watch a play skip 30 seconds on the DVR
- Ryan
you can constantly get up and do things with no content loss
- Ryan
it really messes with your ability to focus for longer periods of time, you want stuff quick and fast
- Jackson Pollock
I'm afraid it's going to get a lot worse than a lot of commercials, pretty soon IMO you will be paying A LOT to watch the sports and it will be all on cable too :(
- Kevin Adair
Perhaps Americans are just more busy. Europeans (especially around the Mediterranean) are relaxed and calm, don't rush over ANYTHING
- Jackson Pollock
Im gonna catch the rest of this on fstream.see ya.
- gully666uk
150 comments in half an hour? And I'm supposed to read through this and address people how? Dear Leo, your last remaining (official) forum misses you. Come back to leovilletownsquare.com some time to let people know it's worth using. If Friendfeed is the only thing that you plan on using from now on, please leave your forum a message so they stop trying to be involved with you.
- Robert
If you don't make your own fan page on Facebook, Facebook will actually DELETE the unofficial facebook fan page, without any questions, deleting all thousands of fans that were on the unofficial fan page
- Charbax
American Football... not a matter of "busy" with me. I like the predictable periods of excitement (ie the plays), and appreciate some analysis in between. Replays come often too, if you're away for a minute and want to see what happened. If I'm at the field I prefer soccer.
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Chris, I used Stickam to chat, but gave up because I'd like to use an actual forum to discuss TWiT related info, but the official TWiT Forum fiasco has pretty much destroyed all hope for that for a lot of people. The "Revenge" forum is sorta active, but has functionality issues.
- Robert
Exactly why i like futobol better... it's not predictable
- Chris Heath
Robert, stickam chat was the worst chat ever... irc has always been the official chat
- Chris Heath
american football was made popular in the US by George Clooney, watch the film
- Charbax
It also has something to do with the US always being "bigger and better". I have to admit soccer seems very girly after seeing 300lbs guys crashing into each other
- Jackson Pollock
Robert, how active is the leovilletownsquare? do you know how many users there are there?
- Chris Heath
What people forget, is that before having the surgery back when he first god cancer, he first spent 2-3 months trying "alternate" medicine
- Jackson Pollock
Question is has the Apple Board of Director opened themselves for lawsuits for not disclosing this information if its true?
- Greg
In some ways you are right Charbax but the quality of the apple creations are in a class of their own
- joe mercier
Greg; It's very compelling to say so, but would this really be the case in any other company? If Michael Dell had cancer, he had to disclose it to the board? I don't think so
- Jackson Pollock
maybe the liver transplant part is disinfo and he really got some other treatment
- Chris Heath
Quality? Apple products are always overpriced.
- Charbax
Apple is not even close to being a Monopoly
- CJ Sauk
Think it is a regulation in a publicly traded company
- Greg
Charbax, say what you will, but their quality is superb above anything else on the market.
- Jackson Pollock
It should have been reveled without a doubt. If I was a share holder I would be upset
- Jeff Vreeland
Itunes and OSX is a monopoly and should be illegal
- Charbax
Because there are other choices they do not own a Monopoly
- CJ Sauk
OSX cannot be installed on third party hardware, definition of illegal monopolistic hardware/software lock
- Charbax
iTunes is a free download, with 100000x competitors
- Jackson Pollock
steve himself is probably the source
- Chris Heath
"a monopoly exists when a specific individual or enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have access to it."
- CJ Sauk
Apple is only "thought" of as a Monopoly because people are dumb enough to not look at other options
- CJ Sauk
I use Amazon's 256k music store, the quality is much better
- Kevin Adair
Apple unDRMed itunes only recently cause they were going to be sued by the European Union for billions
- Charbax
Kevin makes the point. If Apple were a monopoly in the area, he couldn't do that
- Jackson Pollock
I agree with Leo - the source was Apple so they could control the source.
- Jeff Vreeland
Apple does illegal monopolistic tactics selling the iphone as well, locking people in with carriers that pay Apple for exclusivity. That's illegal as well and evil. The EU is sueing Apple for that as well
- Charbax
Charbax; conclusion; if you don't like Apple products, you have options in every category. It's regrettable that you can't find products of equal quality
- Jackson Pollock
I find Archos to be of much higher quality. Plays DivX, Flash video, 95% of web videos, on much larger screens, HD resolutions and cheaper than the iphone
- Charbax
Charbax, perfect! I'm so happy you're happy with something else. Point made, they're not a monopoly
- Jackson Pollock
It doesn't change to the fact that Apple uses illegal monopolistic tactics
- Charbax
Archos used the ARM Cortex A8 about 10 months before Apple
- Charbax
720p video playback on an iphone would make no sense, since the screen resolution is so low and it has no HDMI output. Archos plays 720p on 3x larger resolution screen and has HDMI output
- Charbax
Could Google Voice change things when it comes out?
- CJ Sauk
Leo, Would love to hear everyone's opinion on how long AT&T will be the only carrier of iPhone.
- Jeff Vreeland
Google Voice will provide free VOIP on Android worldwide
- Charbax
It is recording 720p video that it can do, not playback (though probably via an external display).
- JR Holmes
SMS isn't technically data. It's sent through the phone's control channels that it uses to communicate with the tower. It doesn't cost the cell carrier anything extra to send SMS messages over the control channel because those bands have to be kept open anyway.
- nick
Wow, first I've heard this. Question is though, if you remove your Voice Plan from your phone and only go with Data will they increase the price
- CJ Sauk
it has no HD video input for recording, and the camcorder has bad optics so what would be the point
- Charbax
AT&T is good in the old Ameritech region (upper Midwest). It has good coverage and is pretty responsive.
- JR Holmes
You can have Data exclusive HSDPA sim cards in Europe for $20 per month.
- Charbax
It's a great phone. The US just has horrible cell networks
- Jackson Pollock
I'm sure you can do it in Canada with Rogers
- CJ Sauk
Same here, Jeff Vreeland, I'd like an iPhone, but I'm not a fan of AT&T, how long must we wait?
- dawt
I would like a iphone and have been offered one but I am to cheap to fork over the monthly charges
- joe mercier
I really want an iPhone, but I can't really justify a $75 minimum monthly fee.
- Derek Erdmann
I've never had a dropped call in my life, but I live in tiny Norway, and we have a better network. So don't blame Apple. Howard Stern complains about dropped call on his Blackberry on AT&T non stop. Screw you AT&T
- Jackson Pollock
Happy 200th TWIT Show and Anniversary!
- Emery Walker
Have to agree with you Derek E. That $75 US is what is stopping me. I have a dumbphone with data and it only costs me $50. A 50% increase is steep to me.
- JR Holmes
watching this episode, its like 1995 tech TV, great to see all again. also - friendfeed discussion is cool. Leo's right as always - FF rocks!
- echostreamer
385,155 km2 (Norway) - 9,970,610 km2 (Canada) - 9,629,091 km2 (USA)
- CJ Sauk
DUMB, DUMB LEO.....you to can be worked over
- joe mercier
is MS "Moro" the free anti bad stuff software for real?
- joe mercier
Google is only a through way, you would have actually received your Domain from Go Daddy (last I remember)
- CJ Sauk
You have to put the DNS stuff in and wait, sometimes wait 24/48 hours before DNS things propagate all over the world so your site works
- Charbax
charbax, problem is that you have to pay 25% of price to the government, and 10% tax, in addition to high shipping prices. leaves you where you started
- Jackson Pollock
Morro is real, but is of unknown quality. Initially it will look quite good, but part of the question will be how their updates are handled.
- JR Holmes
thanks jr.........ole fly not running any anti ware currenlty......
- joe mercier
preissuchmachine.de is including the VAT and all taxes, shipping is just 15€ for the whole of Europe
- Charbax
I thought Lindsay was asking the chat where to go on hollidays
- Charbax
Strangely, I went to Sprint on the iPhone release day. They were desparate for people to come in. They actually had a Palm rep in a suburban store (and not an upmarket store). I wasn't too impressed by it. There is a lot of potential, but Android may be sucking out off the alternative iPhone juice.
- JR Holmes
$60 per month for 5GB is ridiculous. You get 10GB HSDPA for $20 in Europe with no contract needed
- Charbax
You can buy one and just use day passes--so pay as you go
- Larry Roth
For smartphones, I'm waiting for the Android flood of units toward the end of 2009. That will be an interesting time. The phone companies may actually start competing on that side of things. The mob of Android units may collectively start to give the iPhone some realistic competition.
- JR Holmes
The iPhone has 50,000 reasons that the iPhone 4 will not be on Android.
- JR Holmes
Why doesn't he upload the Mpeg4 video to Youtube in full quality on an official Twit channel
- Charbax
Those iphone apps are 98% useless, not reasons for anything. Android apps will be much more useful and are much more useful already
- Charbax
That being said, there aren't too many reasons that anything other than the iPhone and Android will exist in the smartphone market in 2 years.
- JR Holmes
Ahh, but they exist... That's all the excuse most people need.
- CJ Sauk
hmm nop, most iphone users don't even know about the iphone apps
- Charbax
RIM will still own the SmartPhone market as it does now
- CJ Sauk
While many of the apps are poor, that still means that there are 1,000 good apps (to use your made up figure). Android doesn't even have that many apps total and it is also subject to the same ratio of good/bad.
- JR Holmes
As many techno geeks as there are, there are far more Business moguls that will stay with the Global RIM products
- CJ Sauk
Android will win cause it's open and free. Companies can compete all using Android and cause it'll have the best features and apps and be the fastest to implement on new hardware
- Charbax
They have to beat RIM (Blackberry) first
- CJ Sauk
RIM may own the corporate e-mail market for the next few years. There is a lot of inertia there. On a 5-year horizon, businesses may want to look at low cost alternatives.
- JR Holmes
blackberry will use Android also eventually
- Charbax
Ture, but cost only comes in on the Service Provider side.
- CJ Sauk
Android will need a lot more work before that happens
- CJ Sauk
Soon people will demand $100 smartphones that are totally unlocked and only require $20 per month data plans with competition on every level, from hardware to carrier
- Charbax
Blackberry may hold out long enough in the business niche to be unable to make the transition to Android. They have little interest in the app market that iPhone and Android are building. Without that, they will be left behind.
- JR Holmes
Android will make $100 unlocked smartphones with $20 data plans and free VOIP/IM happen faster than you think
- Charbax
Blackberry App World... It's already there
- CJ Sauk
Blackberry's app market is an afterthought. Just as Charbox said, there is a problem with the good/bad ratio everywhere. The few good apps on Blackberry aren't sufficient to make the marketplace good.
- JR Holmes
App World already has all the (usable) apps that iPhone and Android have so there's no competition there
- CJ Sauk
You made the point right there... All apps that are used "by the mass" are or will be available on all phones
- CJ Sauk
Just like Extensions for browsers, the maker will always want to get everyone they can thus making their apps available on all products.
- CJ Sauk
Looks like I got the last word. Bye all.
- JR Holmes
Leo it's June 21st not 22nd. In your TWIT 200 intro you say June 22nd!!!!!!!
- Konrad Farrugia
Konrad, that's cuz the podcast comes out tomorrow, not today... he said 'for june 22nd'
- Chris Heath
"Actually, kepping pages 'open' like that is a 3.0 feature. Maybe you can have more tabs open in 3GS, but on my 3G I can now have several open and not have to reload them every time since having upgraded to 3.0"
- Kyle Saric
Working on installing mine now... The progress bar is nearly finished!
- aminorjourney
been on it for weeks and I gota say I like it, but the wait now continues until we have app developers updating their apps and getting push working!
- Kyle Saric
I still get the "2.2.1 is the current version".
- Sean Ryder
Update finished installing for me. Now iTunes is just backing up my iPhone.
- Troy Ryder
downloaded 3.0 for the touch, and it works great! nice to have landscape and copy and paste functionality
- Jon mclaughlin
Sean, unplug your phone, relaunch iTunes. I hear that works for some
- Dekz
Yeah, now where is an update from BeejiveIM and IM+ for push?
- Kevin Whalen
Productivity across the world just took a dive :-)
- Bryan Lyle
Kevin: their app store app was submitted for updates but it's still not in the store. I love BeeJiveIM too, and it's ran pretty weird on all the 3.0 betas.
- Dan Hendricks
Now I just need to figure out a way to get out of my Verizon contract so I can port over to At&T with a 3GS
- Jon mclaughlin
I'll be downloading my update for my iPod tonight at 5:30PM Eastern time. I'm counting the minutes!
- Mike Lewis
Have fun everyone. 3.0 is a blast. Been playing with the GM Seed for devs a couple of days now. Very nice upgrade!
- Jeremy Heslop
The GM seed and the now downloadable version has the same build number: 7A341
- David Jack Wange Olrik
Downloading mine too. Had to upgrade iTunes to 8.2 first ... annoying 'Updating Library' function taking a half hour before I can proceed to the 3.0 install.
- Dale Dietrich
Leo, have you seen AT&T has revised it's upgrade requirements. 3G owners who are up before the end of Sept can get standard prices. http://friendfeed.com/chilima...
- ChiliMac
Does anyone know if the 3GS will have capability of Blackberry Redirect? Can't afford to lose my work email but want to get an iPhone
- Jon mclaughlin
Anyone know if you can share the update file with another computer? Both me and the wife have iPhones and it seems silly for us both to download it?
- Jason Roseweir
4:27am here. 3rd attempt at downloading. keep getting an "unknown error" halfway through downloading. If it doesn't work this time, I'll take the laptop into work and try from there in a couple of hours.
- Ben Short
Leo, you have talked about GoToAssist before on Net@Night - I know for sure, because I used the promo code 'night' once a few months ago to try it out. I love it, and I'm now a happy GoToAssist customer! Citirix Rocks!
- Chris Heath
You're welcome Leo... I should be thanking you because I've been looking for this solution for a few years now.
- Chris Heath
"i don't see why this would be a bad thing. would you really want to buy something and then not have it run because the developer didn't make it work on the current platform?"
- Kyle Saric
"IBM would've monopolized the the server industry. They didn't care about Sun, they just wanted more market share. Cisco has very similar company culture and they'll take care of all of Sun's products. I'm sure of it."
- Kyle Saric
"actually, all layoffs which were underway are now cancelled until oracle has full control. they then need to decide what they want to do with sun staff (which will at least halt layoffs for a while). that doesn't mean there will/won't be layoffs, so let's hope for the best. they may end up keeping all staff."
- Kyle Saric
"you can get one now, then most likely do an upgrade and drop your current plan. my plan won't run out for quite a while, but i hope to upgrade and re-new my plan. that's what happened last time."
- Kyle Saric
"I've seen a lot of haters towards the diggBar, but I gota say I love it. I don't use it when clicking external digg.com links, but rather when browsing a site to see if its on digg i just add digg.com/ infront of it and can see how many diggs/views it has. nice updates though."
- Kyle Saric