"It's an upside down baby head bowl with a baby hand for the handle! (This can be used as a large cup or a small bowl.) This handmade bowl is low fire white clay with a food safe glaze, which means the bowl is made to be used. The outside has a clear glaze over white clay and the inside has a purple glaze. This bowl stands 3 1/2" high and has a 4" diameter."
- Cee Bee
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via @dotdean: via htwo: "Twitterfall is a way of viewing the latest 'tweets' of upcoming trends and custom searches on the micro-blogging site Twitter. Updates fall from the top of the page in near-realtime." - http://twitterfall.com/
Very good advice, Thomas. A comment on no. 6 ("Groups"): I remember Flickr staff mentioning that not only photos that are in too many groups (more than 10-15, as a rule of thumb) get penalties for their Explore rating. Allegedly, this is also true for photos that are in the *wrong* groups, specifically the ubiquitous "post 1, comment x" groups. So not all photo critique groups might be good when you want to get your pictures into Explore.
- Ole Begemann
Ole, I hadn't heard that certain groups penalized photos but have seen Flickr staff in the past mention that posting your photo to too many groups will reduce it's visibility with their algorithm.
- Thomas Hawk
Re: no. 5 ("Explore"): more criteria that seem to influence whether a photo makes it to Explore: the presence of EXIF data, geotags, title, description has a positive influence; faves and comments from people who are not among your contacts seem to count more than from contacts; faves and comments from popular photographers count more than those from nobodys; a photo that gets 2 or 3 faves within minutes after uploading is more likely to make Explore than one that gets faved 15 times within 24 hours.
- Ole Begemann
Thomas, I'll try to find a reference for this.
- Ole Begemann
Good point on EXIF data Ole, yes, photos in Explore are required to have EXIF data. My own guess as to why this is is that if a photo has EXIF data it is more likely to be your own photo vs. something you simply ripped from the web. Not foolproof of course but I'd guess that this policy is in part due to a desire to increase the authenticity of the photos promoted on Explore.
- Thomas Hawk
If you look at the photos in Explore, the only "Leave a comment" groups that I see with any regularity are TWTME and 1-2-3 groups... what makes them special I'm not sure, other than they're amongst the largest groups in general. But you see very few of those award groups or "leave x comments" groups in the photos in Explore, so I suspect that Flickr must be penalizing them.
- Eric P
Thomas, that's a great refresher on the original article. Some great tips.
- Tom Quinn
And Thomas, throwing reciprocation in as a "bonus"? It should have been #1 or #2. The vast, vast, vast majority of comments and faves that I receive are from people whose stream I previously visited. The only real exception to that is when a photo is high in Explore, which results in a torrent of views/comments/faves from strangers.
- Eric P
Yep Eric. Reciprocation is very high. Bonus tip might not be the best place for it. It's very important. Faving back when people fave your work, commenting back. Adding people back as mutual contacts, etc. All encourage activity on your photostream.
- Thomas Hawk
Eric, participation groups don't penalize your photo from Explore best I can tell. This photo http://www.flickr.com/photos... from a few weeks ago was in the Deleteme Uncensored critique group and was #3 on Explore as well.
- Thomas Hawk
In fact just searching flickr for the save10 tag from the DMU critique group along with "explore" brings up a number of photos: http://www.flickr.com/search...
- Thomas Hawk
Good post, *IF* getting attention is important to you, as opposed to using it as a vehicle to just share photos with people
- Eric Rice
After I read your original article on Flickr popularity a while back, I began reciprocating every comment received. That worked very well.
- Tom Harrison
Eric, true. Some people have no interest in their photos receiving attention. I do think that the majority of people posting on Flickr though do appreciate when their photos receive some attention. Lots of people do not though. I have friends that only publish private photos that their friends can see and opt out of every public aspect of Flickr. I think these people though are the exception rather than the norm and think that Caterina's quote is pretty typical of the most active users on the site.
- Thomas Hawk
Alright, I found something. Flickr staff member acknowledged almost 2 years ago that "groups that force people to comment/fave on certain photos with no choice" do in fact hurt your Explore chances. Also, "weight of comments and favorites from contacts is quite low in interestingness calculation." (http://www.flickr.com/groups...). A very old post and the algorithm has changed since then but we can probably say that the gist of it is still true.
- Ole Begemann
interesting Ole. I hadn't seen that. I think it would be difficult for Flickr to manually track every group that encourages tags and comments as participation. Per the links above though, photos in DMU have definitely made it into Explore anyways.
- Thomas Hawk
Yeah, I have no idea how they maintain a list of the "bad" groups. Further below, SilentObserver mentions his business is writing algorithms to filter them out automatically, though.
- Ole Begemann
Here is an example of tagging. I did not know this woman was a celebrity until after got this shot. It appears on the first page of the image search engines and it has received over 12,000 views. http://flickr.com/photos...
- Russellreno
So far I got 3 (!) photos into explore. Their common factor? They all were faved by you (TH) soon after I posted theim.
- Guillaume Lemoine
Flickr used to say "who" faves your shots was a part of the Explore algorithm. It wouldn't surprise me if the algorithm weights faves by different people from the Flickr community differently. For instance, Pro accounts where people actually have paid for the service might be weighted higher than non-Pro accounts. More active users might carry more weight with their faves then less active users. Just speculating on this part.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas - I don't think that participation in all groups gets a penalty, just that there are some groups that are penalized as far as Explore is concerned. I simply don't see Explore photos in "Post 1, Comment X" groups - so either there's no explore-worthy photos in those groups (not likely IMHO), or Flickr is penalizing the photos in those groups.
- Eric P
As a note to certain groups penalizing your photos...I had a photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos...) that went to explore spot 150 or so. After, I added it to a few groups to see if I could bump it higher. It had the opposite affect and immediately dropped off. I can't say which group exactly did it or if it was the number of groups I submitted to, but adding to groups definitely does come with some sort of penalty.
- Justin Korn
If you use FeedBurner, you can splice your Flickr photos into your blog feed. I have it splice my last two photos and I find those have at least 5x the number of views as the ones that aren't in my spliced feed.
- Mike Hussein Cohen
Awesome post Thomas. I signed up for Flickr a couple of years ago, but only started using it more regularly after the purchase of a digital SLR camera - so this post is particularly relevant to me. I am still patiently waiting for that first comment/favourite on one of my photos to truly experience the emotions as described by Caterina Fake.
- Jeff Smith
Thanks for this post, Thomas. Great tips!
- Eric Johnson
Great article Thomas... I was also wondering about what my friend calls 'Shooting for the 75'. That is, a great majority of people only ever see a 75 x 75px thumbnail of your photo. When he processes, he always does a square crop to test how it looks in the frame. Would you like to see proportional thumbnails as an option?
- Johnny Worthington
I actually really like the square thumbnails. Heck I really like the square crop period. I think I'm cropping more and more of my photos 4x4 these days. Maybe it's just that I've always loved medium format photography so much, not sure why I'm so drawn to the square crop right now though. I much prefer Flickr's square thumbnails actually. Still would love to see larger sizes on FF like SmugMug's thumbnails.
- Thomas Hawk
you're right though. Frequently it's the thumbnail that draws people into a photo. A good looking thumbnail is more likely to be selected by viewers for clicking through to full size viewing, commenting, faving, etc.
- Thomas Hawk
One of my very first Flickr experiences was someone in a critique group cutting me down for a square crop. It was a rose in a perfect spiral petal pattern, could only be cropped square as far as I was concerned. LOL...I didn't change it either.
- Karoli
Haha, that's funny Karoli. so much of the criticism in critique groups on Flickr is so lame. You should have seen the deleteme critique group ravage a Henry Cartier Bresson photograph who is probably considered by most photo historians as the greatest photographer who ever lived. Read some of these comments on this photo for a laugh: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Thomas Hawk
I used to work to get photos into explore. I think I probably take better pictures now, but I don't have the time at the moment to put in the work. Lots of community building and commenting went into the mix. I confess, there's a real rush to hitting the front page. I had three in the top 10, and it was a lot of fun.
- Karoli
I have been doing a lot of panoramic shots over the past year and I have started to play around with vertical cropping. Taking a portrait photo and cropping a really tight vertical crop: http://www.flickr.com/photos... It's all about how the picture looks to you in the end. Square, circle or hexagon, it's about the sensory reaction :) (and now I'm going to square crop for this week just to try it out, thanks guys)
- Johnny Worthington
Thomas, those comments are a hoot! I met some nice people in some of the critique groups, but it didn't take me long to know the critiques weren't helping. I do love Flickr's community...even if I haven't spent a lot of time in it lately.
- Karoli
yeah, the attention from Explore can be fun. But I'm pretty unimpressed with a lot of the photos there. I think Flickr could do a much better job with that algorithm. I do find filtering explore just by my contacts though produces more consistently interesting photographs for me. I use this script to do just that: http://www.drewmyersphoto.net/flickr_...
- Thomas Hawk
Agree on the photo quality on Explore. Seems like a lot of the same sort of gimmicky stuff lands there. Looking forward to trying the script.
- Karoli
Thanks for the article, that opened my eyes up a lot
- Alex Carpenter
Hey Karoli, here's you and your daughter by the way. I uploaded this to Zooomr a while back when I was taking a break from Flickr but uploaded it tonight on Flickr. Great fun on that photowalk. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Thomas Hawk
Hey, cool! Thanks for the pointer. It was a great photowalk, would love to do another sometime soon!
- Karoli
Here is one more way to get attention: Comment on this post with a link to one of your photos. I received a hit today from the comment about. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Russellreno
Prof. Mankiw has an interesting idea. He suggests the government put up matching funds for any investment into or buy out of a financial firm. The private sector sorts out the good firms from the bad, sets the sale price, and exercises control. The government goes along for the ride. Instead of Buffett investing $5 Billion in Goldman, he puts up 50% and the government puts up the other half.
- Kevin D. White
from Bookmarklet
Nice chart that clearly explains why the latest rate cut was a complete waste of time. Those two lines should converge, not diverge.
- Kevin D. White
from Bookmarklet
You are confusing the real rate with the nominal rate. The latter can't be negative while the former, adjusted for inflation, can.
- Kevin D. White
Interesting article. Not to put too fine a point on it but I was referencing the announced target federal funds rate and the Japanese equivalent. It is possible though highly unusual for discrete transactions to have a negative rate based on market conditions.
- Kevin D. White
"...John McCain wants to give $100 billion of taxpayers' money to America's worst-behaving mortgage financiers." :: Pretty harsh criticism of McCain's new plan.
- Kevin D. White
from Bookmarklet
“citation of the day: "Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programers write code that humans can understand”” - http://friendfeed.com/e...
If Bernanke fully backs the fannie and freddie companies, the fed could actually profit and come to the rescue. This whole wink and nod based government backing is just not enough in this market.
- Andrew
Steve Waldman comes to the table with an excellent analysis of what may be going on in the oil markets: "Traditionally, OPEC has suffered from the usual problem that makes large cartels unwieldy... But that assumes that the production quotas are significantly beneath the capacity of most members to produce. More subtly, it also assumes that each country gains by producing more rather than less oil, if cartel prices are maintained. Both of those assumptions may no longer hold."
- Kevin D. White
Very nice find, thanks for sharing that, Kevin!
- w0nk0
This one looks to be exactly what I was looking for. I tried SQLObject but it has issues when you reload the module (something that I needed in my project)
- Benjamin Golub
from Bookmarklet
I really like it especially with the queryset-refactor branch (http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki...) merged into trunk. By denormalizing the RSSmeme database just a bit I'm able to never need to drop down to raw SQL.
- Benjamin Golub
But this ORM for me might be useful for a small work related project I'm doing. I just need something to work on a trivial sqlite db and I want something light and have no need for the rest of the Django stack (this isn't a web project).
- Benjamin Golub
I once used SQLAlchemy, its learning curve is a little bit steep, but at the end it's nice and well-written
- directeur
Just realized that Automn is LOVELY ! I Love simple things :)
- directeur
Microsoft is Evil. I'm have withdrawal symptoms if I try to code outside of Visual Studio for any period of time. Sigh. Just Sigh :(
- Yuvi
This also looks like a "Battleship" tournament... Kevin, in fact, appears to be making the "you sank my battleship!" gesture.
- Chris Reed
Great to see a company firing on all cylinders
- Mike Doeff
Josh: the key is extremely large screens so you can't actually see the person in front of you.
- Bret Taylor
Man, do people get sent to sit by the bathroom and public writeboard as punishment?
- Stepan Mazurov
I brought a t-shirt to change into after biking to work, but I didn't bother. I might have made a different choice if I'd known it would be blogged... :-)
- Kevin Fox
@Kevin: You match the rug and lamp so it's working. :)
- Tsega Dinka
Awesome window into FF Bret. Really like the transparency and willingness to speak openly with the community and those who are critical of FF. Enjoyed that Qik inteview by what's his name...
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Wow you guys have really grown and your office looks more colorful than the "garden variety" Google office space!
- Bindu Reddy
Keep up the good work. You'll all have corner offices soon :)
- Andrew Smith
i hope one of those people is working on the "page 11" bug!
- Ňicķ
I'm with Josh - I'd probably go crazy, no matter how large the screen.
- Ontario Emperor
Wait, there's somebody on the other side of my monitor?
- Casey Muller
im all up in paul's code now! and that guy in the orange really sits up straight
- Allen Stern
I want to go and meet Bret, Paul, Dave, and the gang!!
- Susan Beebe
I see nobody will finish off that Old Time Candy. As your mothers likely told you, you can't have more until you finish what you already have!
- Louis Gray
Louis: we ate all of our favorites. Apparently no one wants to eat the wax lips. That was the best gift we have ever gotten, by the way. You rock, Louis.
- Bret Taylor
Bret, but shouldn't the interns _have_ to wear the wax lips as some form of initiation?
- Louis Gray
So that's where all my attention went! :-)
- Robert Scoble
LiveJournal: Just because I use it. It happens to have a big base, though I doubt most of them would convert, so I really have no case. But I'm first, that has to count for something. ;P
- xero
Newsgator clippings folder (i.e. FeedDemon shared items). Because not everyone uses Google Reader, and RSSMeme & ReadBurner refuse to show us newsgator users any love :(
- Glenn Slaven
I'll second Glenn Saven's request for NewsGator clippings. However, you can always add them yourself since they're exposed as an RSS feed.
- Nick Bradbury
spout.com - as far as I can see FF don't have any movie related services, and if they're going to start somewhere, I hope they start with the one I use ;)
- d<3vid seaward
Definitely Toluu. Besides the recently played tracks a lot of people have, Toluu is definitely the number one feed with my subscriptions that's being fed as a blog. Actually, that's probably a pretty good metric: what service is piped through the Blog service more than any other? That's the one you should implement next.
- Mark Trapp
Better support for last.fm, specifically the ability to configure a stream of recently played tracks (rather than just loved tracks). Right now I do this via the blog feature, but this is hard to hide.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
I'd like to see support for Xbox Live, Fairtilizer.com and Jamendo.com. Would be nice. I do not depend on it, it's just sites I use.
- Carlo Zottmann
I wouldn't want to see continuous stream of Last.fm songs in FriendFeed since that would waste resources and make it more bloated. Anyways, there could be somewhat better support for Last.fm, Maybe pulling of song cover image from it could be enough for many?
- Daniel Schildt
utterz and tripit because utterz is like an audio blog and tripit tells people when i travel
- Rob Williams
Rob, I am completely biased but I would also love to see TripIt added! :) Until the FF guys find the bandwidth to formally add support though you can make this work by turning on your public activity stream on your profile page and add your profile URL as a Blog. It's not perfect, but it seems to work pretty well (I've been testing it for a few weeks now). Enjoy!
- Andy Denmark
vi.sualize.us and ffffound because they are both great image bookmarking services and both provide media rss feeds so they wouldn't be too hard to implement
- Rafael Robayna
Toluu++. It's a bit chatty and It'd be nice to quarantine via hide and a ?service= feed.
- Ashton
I'd like the service added where it takes a feed, uses the fav icon of that site and just displays the feed. this way, 80% of all possible requests would be done ...
- Nicole Simon
Livejournal++. In particular, support for reading a Livejournal friends page and commenting on Livejournal posts from Friendfeed.
- Morton Fox
The ability to add custom services via a ff public xml spec
- Mic
Please add Anobii and a better support for Last.fm and for Tumblr
- Alessandro
Daniel Schildt - re seeing a continuous stream of last.fm songs in FriendFeed, my followers already see this today. As a "blog" (RSS feed). And some of them HATE this, because to hide this they have to hide ALL of my blogs. If all recently played tracks could appear as a last.fm service, then my followers could hide that and still read my blogs. (Of course, another solution is selective blog hiding, but that's outside the scope of the "service to add" question.)
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
FFFFound, Vi.sualize.us, Weheartit. And full support to Tumblr to recognize which kind of post it is (Text, Chat, Photo!, Video, etc).
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
Feature Request: Better Tumblr Integration: Tumblr has a nice API which shows type of posts, so instead of treating it like a regular blog, please import associated media with the posts as well
Another metric/dimension/parameter: share the same conversations (have posted comments on the same items). The main point here: what algorithm would best rank Friendfeed users by similarity to me (and, perhaps, relevance to me).
- Sean McBride
If we have an ability to search friends that have high similarity, we also need to see those with the highest dissimilarity. That way you can easily get exposure to completely different topics for us Renaissance-types.
- xero
Degrees of similarity and dissimilarity, from most similar to most dissimilar and everything in between, should be relatively easy to plot. The algorithm would be closely related to metrics of personal interestingness and relevance for items, links and comments.
- Sean McBride
@Ross: The recommended friends page says, "The people below are popular among your friends," but nothing about comparing any of the other above criteria. Does it behind the scenes, without mentioning it?
- Voyagerfan5761
Thought: the scoring and ranking algorithms for personalized recommendation systems should be totally transparent -- the user should be able to see what is under the hood and understand precisely why particular items are being prioritized in particular orders.
- Sean McBride
Lovely idea in general. Pushing it to the limit, you could have a form with sliders (for the above parameters) to tweak the similarity algorithm's factors to your taste!
- w0nk0
w0nk0: love the sliders concept! If the internal workings of the personalized recommender system are made fully transparent, it should be possible for the user to tweak recommendations along all available parameters. Perhaps one could view and rank test results for various settings and adjustments, and fine-tune the recommender as one goes along.
- Sean McBride
FriendRank - because not all subscriptions are created equal. Surely FF can already rank our existing subscriptions based on all of the measurements you mentioned. What would be really useful is if users were able to explicitly control the rankings. Then, in a nutshell, one way to expose users to potentially interesting people would be to look at existing subscriptions with high...
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- Aviv