This is clearly not my cat. If this was my cat he's have one arm shoved down into the printer trying to tear up all the internal whirling bits with his bare claws.
- Soup
Too Funny! Reminds me of the San Mateo Cat Shelter where one of the cats loves to sleep on top of the laster printer where the paper comes out...
- Greg Lato
1600+ to beat the FFundercats live chat thread. I think with this real time now on all threads we're going to see some truly epic comment numbers.
- Simon Wicks
Ivan, no the picture speaks for itself. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Petr, I have no idea what you mean, but thank you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
@Kol .. :] that, partially, might have been the purpose.... I don't know it exactly either. :] .. was I reflecting on a cat under the fax, and that it is hard to fax that way ... /?:] ... "underfaxing at its worst" ..
- Petr Buben
there ya have me ! :] .... see, to be honest with you, i saw this pic couple days ago, but i let it go, without posting it ..... what does that make me? :]
- Petr Buben
even a flat cat... faxes just can't handle the hair. You'd have to shave the cat first, else the hair will burn and stick to the drum... a mess! (I am extrapolating from transparencies, mind, i don't have access to a cat to test)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Hehe, Joelle. This is now tied for the 'likes' top stop. One more then, hehe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Hehe, Greg. Blimey! Erm, is that not far from 500 likes now? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Bloody marvelous, Kol. Wish I could like it again... too cute (and help u to 500 likes).
- Roberto Bonini
I couldn't believe it when I logged on from the morning over posting it and saw it was at something 200 likes! You all have a strange fetish with cats and fax machines, hehe. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Am I the only one who saw this and their first thought was - My goodness did someone break that cats neck? It still freaks me out a little
- Steve C
Steve, it does look a little out of place, but cats are pretty bendy. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
They fax much better if you flatten them first. What?
- Kevin Pedraja
So we can put this post to rest now. :-) 505 likes final count, wow! :-D Good night all!
- Kol Tregaskes
My like is the last one so far :) - 509 afaik
- getalifejerk
did 3 people really un-like this? now at 506. wtf (edit: uh, oh, yeah, me and 2 + 506 others makes 509. dammit, jim, i'm an artist, not a mathematician)
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
One of the best funny cat pictures I've seen! :-)
- John Collis
Kristian, it appears to be. Hehe, John.
- Kol Tregaskes
ای بابا این پیشول بی خیال نمی شود، بابا پاشو برو دنبال یه بازی دیگه ، از هفته پیش تا حالا تو فکس ولو شدی حوصله ات سر نرفته، پاشو اقلا بپر رو کیبوردی چیزی
- Maryaminaa
It's really only social convention which regards it as inappropriate, same with Xeroxing it, like one does with their b__tocks. Wait are we still talking about cats cats here or...
- sofarsoShawn
OMGosh 700+ likes now!! LOL. Thank you all 702 of you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Who is this Scobleizer that you speak of? Is he of the Tech Geek Clan? ;-P
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Hmm...not surprisingly, I don't see Google Wave written anywhere :)
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
My Macbook is a lot like that. Various stickers and Chris Pirillo's face. ROFL (The Cool Chris blue logo)
- Danny Minick
both you guys work really hard, what's your uptime 99.9% ? it is mind boggling how both of you gray and scoble process so much data in such little times and then produce those blog posts, opinions, videos...now days louis/scoble can be found hanging to their iPhones when not in front of their computers, computers are having a bad time working with these guys...computers must be cursing them to make them work so hard
- ffcode
FFCode, uptime exceeds 100% because multiple devices are involved. :)
- Louis Gray
The rust FW stickers amuse me - that's the FirstWorld Pharma logo http://twitter.com/fwpharma unless there is another company with an identical logo >.<
- Sally Church
Sally: I'm surprised that anyone looking at this photo wouldn't recognize one of Adobe's "elemental" logos, if not the particular app it represents. Also, it looks quite different from the one you linked to. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Bill Jackson
yup but bill see the color it isn't dark grey, but you are right it isn't what sally said for W is smaller than F, and in fwpharma they are of same size and it miht not be FireWorks logo too.
- ffcode
Thanks for the fave, Robert. Svartling passed it onto me.
- Kol Tregaskes
I still thinks that Posterous has the potential to take over some of Friendfeeds features. They have great developers too! The comment system is really great.
- Svartling
Hitler, holed up in his bunker, just found out about FriendFeed's acquisition by Facebook. He's not very happy about it. (Thanks to Matt Mastracci for the idea!)
- Mark Trapp
from Bookmarklet
It's hilarious because right at the end when the text is about him going back to Twitter, he's actually talking about putting a bullet in his head.
- abacab
Oh man, that was entirely unintentional, too. I don't think I've ever seen the original subtitles.
- Mark Trapp
epic mark "i even remember what it was like before scoble got here" - me too, good times :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
That was better than I could have imagined.
- Matt Mastracci
OMG I laughed so hard I cried. Well done sir!
- Mark Krynsky
Well done. and all this time I figured you had no idea who the FFundercats were. Well done! I made all the parallels easily.
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
"That is bullshit. I've been a member since the site went public!" - Hilarious! :D
- Meryn Stol
"Don't worry, we still have Plurk." - too funny.
- Meryn Stol
That is f'ing fabulous. Thanks for making me laugh instead of cry.
- Larry Hawes
Too funny! I did wonder if I was going to cry but I managed to make it to the end without losing it. Too bad I can't share this with anyone IRL.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
funny and sad at the same time. only peeps who have been here for the last 2+ years can totally relate. :(
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
WHY DOES THAT FAT KID KEEP SHOWING UP IN MY FEED?!#~
- Akiva Moskovitz
What's so funny is I've seen this hitler remix so many times, but I've never seen the real movie it's based on, it will be interesting to see how I'll perceive it.
- Ray Cromwell
+1 Mel - I am gutted and don't know what to do if the main FF site closes
- Matt Hooper
Why would I leave friendfeed? This place works well enough for me.
- Talon Lardner
Manuel: back to my blog and Twitter, probably. I'm playing around with Facebook but it doesn't quite do it for me.
- Robert Scoble
I'm sticking around unless there's some sort of mass exodus which I don't see an immediate reason for.
- Mike Elliott
Not leaving 'til it closes, and I'm certainly not going to facebook or twitter even then.
- Jim: Dead Like FF
I'm sad, but I'm sticking around. I'm hoping others do to. At some point, the fuss will die down.
- Helen Sventitsky
Mike: because I expect it will get shut down eventually if it doesn't get invested in, and if it gets no new features it will fall behind Google Wave and other projects.
- Robert Scoble
This feels like that HBO Documentary about Brooklyn Dodgers going to LA haha.
- Manuel Mas
And, actually, Google Wave seems to be the most obvious thing for me to try out from now on.
- Robert Scoble
I will stick around until they move the features I like from friendfeed onto facebook.
- Bryan Lee
Isn't it a bit early to make decisions? Has there been an announcement that I missed that FF is going away? Even if it isn't where else is better at this point?
- Chrimmus Tad
I'm not going anywhere Helen...When it goes it goes...I'm sitting tight on the ship
- Bill Heslin
there used to be a kind of message board system ages back with FB. disppeared one day never to return, lets hope this will bring something of that back, who knows..
- Terry O'Fee
Waiting and watching. Robert, I know you have a discussion tab on FB but its not the same. ;)
- Melanie Reed
How soon before google wave becomes available to the early adopters/public?
- Bryan Lee
Mashable just published a How To Take Advantage of FriendFeed's Unique Features. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. A little late for that, no?
- Stephen Pickering
didn't you just just say "FriendFeed is dead. I will keep using it until Paul unplugs the last server, which could be years" ? or i'm missing something
- Liviu Barbat
I'll stick around to the bitter end.
- Dave Metzener
Robert: Earlier in the day you were excited for both FriendFeed & Facebook. It didn't sound like you were leaving FriendFeed. What changed? Why not stick around to see what happens?
- Jill Elswick
Bryan: I heard they weren't handing out beta access to non-developers until September. Cold be wrong but that's what I heard
- Mike Elliott
I'm in wait and see mode. It would have to be absolutely sucked in by FB for me to leave it completely.
- pea
Robert, if you believe this is a good deal for both FF and FB - why are you leaving?
- George F. Snell III
When should we cue in Titanic's last song by the band as FF sinks below leaving us all behind?
- Manuel Mas
Why leave now? Until it is changed or killed, it still works just the same.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Same assessment as you, I'll stick around but I need to find an option B now. I guess I'll go wherever Louis Gray recommends
- Alberto Saavedra
I plan on sticking around for a little while longer. Not ready to jump ship yet.
- David Finch
Melanie: yeah, real time really has me going. I will wait until I get a better sense from the FriendFeed team about what will be done here. I just am not getting the right signals from the team that there will be any investment in this. If that's the case, I'd rather invest my time somewhere else. Google Wave. Ning. Vanilla on Building43. Twitter, now that I got rid of the spammers. Etc.
- Robert Scoble
I'll watch and see what happens. IF I feel that it would be useless to stay, I'll leave the site.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
I think the features of FF will be incorporated into FB (guilt free) and FB profiles will be more tied into FF. That's about all we'll see...
- Gus
Manuel: hey, Pirillo is over there. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm staying here until something else catches up.
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, I can definitely see the value of your invested time on any service, but for the average user, what is the downside of sticking around here as long as the site still exists?
- Jeff P. Henderson
@Scobleizer: The big crowd is not even at Friendfeed yet and you are already leaving? Someone will be by in a few minutes with a drink. Please help yourself and stick around for the conversation. You will be greatly missed should you choose to leave so soon.
- David Damore
Social Media is a set of tools--I appreciate the connections I make, but I'm not getting too emotionally worked-up about the tools changing. FF probablywon't function as my Social Media hub much longer.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I like it here, so I'll hang out as long as possible.
- sean percival
Not making any set plans yet, but keeping my eyes and ears open.
- Martha
And when Google buys Twitter, won't that be interesting
- Stephen Pickering
Bruce: have you played with Wave yet? I'm wondering how good that is? I gotta get an invite. Off to beg someone cooler than me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I will continue to use it until it closes down in its current form.
- ashish
I'm a little pissed that we haven't heard much from our other "rock stars". Where the hell are they? This concerns them, yet I can hear a pin drop. I think there secretly plotting. Roflmao
- Jeunelle Foster
I don't want to but if it eventually goes down the way everybody's predicting it will then i'll have to look for alternatives :( .......by the way where do i beg for Wave invites :)
- Bhowmik Shah
I'd bet Microsoft buys Twitter before Google does.
- Gus
I haven't played with wave yet, but from what I've seen it's got potential. FriendFeed's got polish.
- Bruce Lewis
I wasn't planning on going anywhere, but I guess I'll be spending more time on Social Median. Perhaps someone should start putting together a decent buddypress site?
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
I might leave only because I quit facebook - I hate the mindset, the shallowness, and am afraid (make that certain) those people will come here
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Gus: Microsoft and Twitter deserve each other. They are both somewhat buggy and don't come up with new features very often. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I think I'll be heading back to Twitter until Google Wave is publicly available
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Robert: Since at the end of the day all these platforms are businesses and have to eventually make money does it make sense to keep investing time and effort into building communities on them when they can sell/merge at any time and dismantle the tools that keep the community in place? it seems like the portable community concept of something like Google FriendConnect now makes more...
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- Mike Elliott
The other rock stars are drinking. :-)
- Robert Scoble
If Facebook had an easier way of connecting with people but not showing them all the personal stuff I'm willing to show to my close friends (and the stuff my friends post about me), I don't think I'd need anything like FriendFeed or Twitter.
- Edward Coffey
Robert: I've played with Wave and I wouldn't really put it in the same category as FriendFeed at the moment. It's not really about sharing and conversing in mass form IMO. Its really conversation with maybe 20 people or so but its much more difficult to focus conversations about shared content. Let everybody know when you get an invite and your address so we can add you! :)
- Brandon Titus
It kinda proves a theory I have about us all being reduced (if I can use that word) to channels. I don't think social networking will go away, but as the internet and deals increase, so does the noise. Don't worry Scobe, you still show up in our Google reader every morning!!
- professor daddyo
Man, what are we going to do without these discussions like this?
- Stephen Pickering
Mike: No community is permanent. It's worthwhile to participate even if it's temporary.
- Bruce Lewis
@Gus, Well MS has large stake in FB so I'm not sure about that. I'll stick around here till it peters out. The tech news rooms here are top notch.
- Adi
I don't use FF much other than for private rooms, so I'll stay for those. Whatever other activity I have (which is sporadic and generally not personal) will also remain.
- Cheryl
I'll stick around until they pull the plug.
- Morton Fox
Leave friendfeed? what's the alternative I'd really like to know. Is it facebook?
- Tate DA FF MVP
I'll stick with it as long as it's here and people are still active. FF4L!!
- Cassidy
What is the next thing? Where do we go now? Not FB! But where?
- Michael Liss
I won't be deleting my account, but signing in and commenting? No. No real point to continue putting data into a service that is gonna get unplugged anyway. Guess we just have to return to blogs and twitter.
- BCK
what? leave and create a better version of Twitter? or start FriendsterFeed?
- Andy Sternberg
The downside for me? I invest time in things that WILL BE not that are. That's always been what keeps my interest and now that I know that FriendFeed probably will not be, even if it takes five years to totally die, I've lost a great deal of interest in it.
- Robert Scoble
Michael: I don't think anyone knows today where to go next, because there's no good substitute out there. We can only hope that the next destination will be obvious before they pull the plug.
- Bruce Lewis
With the price of bandwith/computing halving every year, there will be a new one of these popping up pretty quick
- Stephen Pickering
I'll just go to twitter. I have a facebook account but I hate it. Facebook is the walmart of the web.
- Darrel Davis
yeah~ definitly! @Jeunelle foster please come down,
- harri78son
I see now...This whole thing was a ploy to get everyone visiting Robert's blog! I am outraged! :P
- Brandon Titus
Brandon: OK, we can go over to YOUR blog. Got Echo? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Bruce: Very true. I've tried to get into FaceBook but it's hard to get the clean conversation feed along with lifestreaming content. It just seems to be full of distracting noise even with the ability to filter with lists.
- Mike Elliott
Robert, the same could be said about Flickr, they haven't had much inovation since Yahoo bought them, but people still use the service in droves.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Don't worry Kelly, a new one of these will pop quickly, if they kill this
- Stephen Pickering
Kelly: we don't need to leave tonight. Let's trash the house first! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Brandon, that's funny. At the Boston FriendFeed meetup, everybody else had learned about FriendFeed through Scobleizer. I was the only one who found him through FriendFeed.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm leaving my account here for now but I'll be removing all my feeds.
- Got80s
Anyway, for the rest of today at-least I reckon I'll be off FriendFeed - real conversation is being drowned out by the echoes of this deal.
- Edward Coffey
I'm staying here until there is a reason to leave. Though I don't hold out hope they'll keep the service alive forever... obviously, I'm always enjoysthin.gs too, but it's not quite the same. I REALLY can't see myself using facebook as much as FF though.
- Ted Roden
I need an adult beverage. then I'll trash the place...
- Kelly Mitchell
I despise FB. Please let them not just trash FF.
- Adam Webb
Considering the free Google Wave protocol implementation and ejabbered work together, it shouldn't be too hard to quickly build a FF type service that's scalable. Combine that with EC2 and S3 and you could probably get a lot of runway before funding is needed. Robert, I think the next service you switch to should be part owned by you, considering I bet a lot of the traffic here was originated from you evangelizing.
- Chip Ramsey
Bryan: it's worse than that. I'm hearing that Facebook bought FriendFeed for its team. Google Superstars. Makes Zuckerberg get out his wallet.
- Robert Scoble
Where will be the next pasture Mr. Scoble?
- Rami Taibah
Stephen: lol. Yes, the 50 million dollar man. But seriously, there's no doubt what they really want is the tallent.
- Brandon Titus
I'm gutted about this, but I knew that Virb account would come in handy eventually... sorta... maybe...
- Linda Mills
Holden, yeah, but it doesn't make sense to invest energy here when its eventually going to die anyway
- Stephen Pickering
I'm new on FF so I wonder, are people leaving FF because you'll have to use FB to participate?
- Christopher Doiron
Stephen: not only for Paul. The guy who started Google Talk is at FriendFeed. So is the guy who started Google Maps.
- Robert Scoble
Robert your not processing anything from what I see..Your just gonna dump it...thanks...makes us All feel so much better....Salt in a wound?
- Bill Heslin
Christopher, it's that the FriendFeed team's new bosses will turn priorities away from the site we love.
- Bruce Lewis
They'll probably cannibalize FriendFeed... nom nom
- Kelly Mitchell
funny how many people are joining friend feed on the news of this acquisition. i'm seeing lots of my twitter followers starting to join.
- mark silva
I say its WAAAYYY too early to speculate what will happen to friendfeed next. Let the drama of today die down.
- Bryan Lee
Yeah lets all get drunk and start a fight. This whole thing is hilarious to me. Funny how media can start a panic. I ain't goin no where, I like to coloring.
- Jeunelle Foster
Bill: I said I won't leave until I hear more from the team. Why must you always be a drama queen?
- Robert Scoble
Kelly, I wish they would absorb FriendFeed, but despite the talk I don't think openness and Facebook are compatible.
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, Ex-Google Superstars is how I see it too. I don't see big plans for FF the sense was we were the last thing on their minds.
- Melanie Reed
Can't help being an attention whore, its what I'm good at :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Okay so we sit tight and wait and drink. lol
- Kelly Mitchell
but there is no time to wait a special direction on internet, It's too fast!!
- harri78son
Kelly: My analogy for this is like the female praying mantis luring the male for sex, then it bites its head off. You can see the pic in my story http://bryansays.com
- Bryan Lee
I'm in the eyewear business and so I always know how to make a spectacle of myself :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Bruce: I agree. Wouldn't it be feasible for them to simply keep the two properties separate then? FriendFeed would be the open/public portion of Facebook and Facebook could stay closed and keep its current private user base.
- Brandon Titus
Bryan, pretty graphic and right on the money.
- Kelly Mitchell
Why shouldn't he pull out his wallet. FB needs to monetize. The ex Google Rockstars know just how to do that
- Stephen Pickering
I'll stick around and see what happens, but might not bother so much with another 'social' web site again.
- Grant Bierman
:) I am what I am Robert...I'm A DRAMA QUEEN? LOL that's funny....even though I'm a much better queen than you I still wuvs ya...Still processing all this as everyone else is...Sorry...might be shooting from the hip and I shouldn't
- Bill Heslin
Am I the only one excited to see how Facebook integrates FF? I have hundreds of FB friends that I know personally, yet know nobody that I am "friends" with on FF or Twitter. FB has my friends but I'd love FF's functionality.
- Chris Nunz
There's this optimistic talk about keeping FriendFeed around as R&D. I'm skeptical about it.
- Bruce Lewis
I'll leave FriendFeed as soon as there's somewhere to go to; currently, I'm not convinced there is.
- Tristan Seligmann
Also when you are hanging with the Master of the Universe for four hours, its sort of like Bill Clinton going to Korea. Kind of influences you.
- Stephen Pickering
Rami: I don't know. That's why I'm talking with you. I just know I won't continue to invest my time in something that will soon get no more investment. That's not who I am. I will hang out with Louis Gray until he finds something cool. By the way, someone gave me Google Wave already, thanks!
- Robert Scoble
This should be a reality television show. This is where the real drama queens will come out to play.
- Jeunelle Foster
Bruce: I disagree with you about Facebook and openness. They are a lot more open than they used to be and are MUCH more professional and friendly than, say, Twitter is.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I look forward to your review of Wave.
- Bruce Lewis
Openness and Facebook are not one and the same.... polar opposites. Bah humbug.
- Kelly Mitchell
Yup the big dogs are sitting back laughing at this whole thing
- Jeunelle Foster
It doesn't necessarily have to be "R&D" but really a completely separate product. Something like YouTube is to Google. Although that's a terrible analogy...I guess the products are too similar to keep separate.
- Brandon Titus
I'd pay-per-view to see Scoble and Sebastian Bach fight
- Mattb4rd
The Chinese government is much more open than it used to be. It still doesn't meet my standards.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: also, Zuckerberg is seeing the real money is in search. So he HAS to be open to really do great there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Any chance you could share your Wave address?
- Brandon Titus
Did anyone get a chance to see Youtube HTML 5 Demo?
- Stephen Pickering
Brandon: I don't have my own address. Someone gave me theirs so can't share.
- Robert Scoble
Zuckerberg doesn't make money from other companies' search engines, so he's still limiting what data can go out. I see FB getting more open about what data they take in.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: Wave is very geeky. I think the UI has a lot of FriendFeed's problems x10. We'll see how that first impression sticks.
- Robert Scoble
And Wave will only be as good as how many users it has
- Stephen Pickering
I guess what I'm trying to say is even if you don't think your time here is an not an investment ;anymore in anything Robert...We still, or at least I do, consider your input valuable. And if you were to jump ship too soon, I think we would all lose something. So, even if things don't look good...please hang around..That's what I meant to say...
- Bill Heslin
Where will I go? Probably no where. Friendfeed was the first time I really got to feel like I found a home. Other places don't interact and blend multiple social services like Friendfeed does/did. Just as plenty of other people have said, I'm waiting for Google Wave at this point. I'm already a Google whore, might as well wait for the Wave to come through.
- Matthew Horton
Bruce: data that goes out can be embedded on blogs and websites and interact with things. Also, if you get into Google's search engine you can get a LOT of traffic, which then you can monetize on your own service.
- Robert Scoble
Not necessarily nailing the coffin shut yet here. Going to hang around and see what develops....what seems likely at the moment may be a totally different thing tommorow :O)
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
I am leaving at midnight. 2 accounts will be deleted, mine and one I manage for another site.
- April Russo (app103)
Robert: Hope you enjoy Wave! The UI is definitely way off for content sharing (at least in my first impression) and more suited for group communication for the very scenarios they threw out in the demos. Get much beyond that, or have too many people and the system starts to break down. Obviously, the underlying Wave infrastructure could be used to create something similar to and better than Friendfeed.
- Brandon Titus
Yeah, the cool thing about Wave is the problem they solved with the protocol. Not really their UI implementation. I think there are huge opportunities with both Open Social and the Wave protocol.
- Chip Ramsey
OK, I have been out of touch and I guess I missed something. I see nothing wrong with staying with all the feeds I am tied to!
- Dave Sickmeier
April, please don't delete your account. We lose interesting history when people do that.
- Bruce Lewis
There is no Facebook and no FriendFeed, it is now called TwoFacedFriend...
- Kelly Mitchell
Bill: I'll be around but probably a lot less. Actually I was thinking that this was good timing. We have a new baby due in September and my other son is just starting to learn to talk, so want to spend more time hanging around with the family.
- Robert Scoble
I am gonna wait it out. If the community as a whole migrates I will go with them, but I don't want to overreact.
- Neal Jansons
it's time to have another serious look at Plaxo. There are some very clever people there too, I believe?!
- Matt Hooper
Truth is, being addicted to FriendFeed isn't a good lifestyle.
- Robert Scoble
April: why so sudden and why delete accounts? I don't get that.
- Robert Scoble
As you should. Family is much more important than any of this. And now I have to go fix my wig! LOL
- Bill Heslin
depends what they do with the service - I like friendfeed and facebook so I think it will probably work okay for me
- Nick Stone
Brandon: oh, oh. You said it "Wave doesn't scale." Not good.
- Robert Scoble
FF also has good tools for using it in moderation -- best of day, week, which you can get by email. Lists help.
- Bruce Lewis
I have been spending most of my time on Brightkite. It's a smaller community and more fun. A better alternative than twitter or facebook.
- John C Ferron
Robert, and yes when he does that (Money in Search), it will change the playing field in lateral ways across the Internet, especially in ePortfolios and other like applications that don't need to be walled gardens
- Melanie Reed
Your right, Robert, but you would eventually learn to moderate your use, and a service like this is going to be needed
- Stephen Pickering
And Leo and Dick Debartolo are on the wine train, missing all this...I envy them...lol
- Bill Heslin
Will there ever be an app that just leaves facebook out of the equation - we could only dream
- Ryan Gerritsen
i'm leaving, watching from twitter would be a better option for me.
- rama mamuaya
I am not likely to invest time in another community that I don't have a stake in. If I contribute it will be because I have a personal interest and am part of the team that runs the show. That is the only way I will feel comfortable investing my time & energy into it.
- April Russo (app103)
If we could get the other "Rock Stars" who are obviously having a "virtual prayer meeting" somewhere to get together and talk about what changes they wish to see and what they would like to see develop for social media, Twitter, Facebook, Friendfeed and now this Google Wave, we would probably all feel a little better as we might be able to see down the dark cold tunnel but they're out...
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- Jeunelle Foster
i think that I'll keep posting to friendfeed until it fully integrates with facebook
- Carlos Leiva Burotto
Man, I can understand Louis' feelings. Look how much he and Scoble have put into this
- Stephen Pickering
I'll continue to use FF until there's reason not to. I'm patient enough to see what happens to it. What's the hurry?
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I just started on Friendfeed. It can't go away!
- Paul McElligott
Lets start FeedFriend - the Bizaro friendfeed minus Facebook integration
- Ryan Gerritsen
Well, I was rather hoping for some sort of joint deal between Twitter & FF... I'm not sure if I'll stick around in FF or not. I'm definitely not a fan of Facebook
- Tim Bergman
Paul, that's what so frustrating. Just given time, we know it would have caught on
- Stephen Pickering
This really SUCKS because when you don't have great "developers" to put something together like FriendFeed, you're really just gonna have to either take it up the ass or commit suicide. I'll hang myself 1st with all my clothes on :)
- Jeunelle Foster
I'm wherever good, smart peeps are ('cuz I'm not smart enough). I don't invest much in tools - it's the people I care for. I'm not gonna abandon FF now but I understand that we'll need a way to foster the kind of community that got fostered here. Nothing lasts forever - and that's mostly a good thing in the long run.
- phil baumann
from Android
i'll be here until either the bitter end or something else comes along ... i'm really hoping that the ff-team will turn facebook into more of what it was before the apps came along... i think that's when FB really took a downward turn for me
- Chris Heath
Venues like this will come and go, the whole social media landscape is in a constant state of flux I don't see why so many are up in arms. The life cycle of all the current venues are short and most of the leaders are nearing the end of their lives as we know it. But fear not, many new shiny toys will be bestowed upon us to play with. Now let's be social again! (ps. I'm sure we've seen NOTHING yet!)
- Paul Monaco
Tweet: the cheese is in Zuckerberg's office! :-)
- Robert Scoble
And for anyone that wants to know why I am deleting my account and not just moving away and leaving it to rot like i would normally do...just read the policies of facebook. Anywhere I have an account with data I don't want to be exploited commercially, in a way that exploits me personally, I'd delete it just as fast if the service were bought by facebook.
- April Russo (app103)
Zuckerberg is Master of the Universe. He spent 4 hours with Paul Friday. That would have an effect on anyone
- Stephen Pickering
I know I am able to post status updates in Facebook to "Everyone" now, but when will we be able to search these open status updates?
- Kevin Whalen
from iPhone
I can't wait till my mom gets one of my "Queenie" updates....that's gonna b fun...lol..
- Bill Heslin
Kevin, when God, ie Mark Zuckerberg, says you can
- Stephen Pickering
I love FF but I think this is a great move. If FB takes the best ideas from FF and they open it up theres is so much potential for a great community.
- Gary Gannon
Definitely see what happens... Not looking forward to Facebook turning this into a free-for-all like Facebook :-)
- Maria Reyes-McDavis
Gary a potential for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
- Stephen Pickering
Not going anywhere for the time being. I'm not a big Twitter fan, and unless FB makes some big time changes, it just doesn't do it for me. Will be listening for any other social media that might come round the bend.
- Bonnie Foster
We are getting tired of all those constant platform changes, aren't we?
- Harald Felgner
Herald and Stephen, Yes! More and different is not always better, just more and different.
- Melanie Reed
I can't leave Facebook. I have too much built up there. And that won't do anything anways. It will just be a small blip to them.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
so what content aggregator in the absence of FF?
- WarLord
My apologies if this has already been asked, but Robert you are very close the FF team. You had no idea this was coming?
- Ben Hanten
I'm not leaving. I like FriendFeed and Facebook.
- Kimber Scott
Ben: not one iota. I did sense that they were struggling to figure out how to compete, but didn't think they would sell. Paul always told me he didn't want to sell.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I'm confused - on the one hand you've said this is such a great thing for FF as well as FB - but on the other hand you also say you're leaving FF because of of it. Why - if this is such a great thing for FF?
- Matthew Blaisdell
WarLord: there isn't a good aggregator. That's why it's stupid to delete your feeds.
- Robert Scoble
OK, a friend talked me down. He told me I'd be saying sorry for starting this post by the 400th comment. He's usually right. So, instead of saying sorry, I'm going drinking. See ya in the lobby in 10 minutes!
- Robert Scoble
I may be dense about this, but why would you leave until you saw which way it was going?
- Jerry Kidd
Good question, Jerry. I wanna know this, too.
- Brad Williamson
Robert, I think he struggled with it, but 4 Hours with Mark is a big persuasion
- Stephen Pickering
Matthew: I expect that the engineers will get put onto Facebook. So, if the smartest people are working on Facebook and not on FriendFeed, why would I stay here? Why wouldn't I start moving my work and social graph and all that over to Facebook?
- Robert Scoble
LOL...there ya go Robert...I knew you would come around...Drink Drink!!! have a really nice cocktail...
- Bill Heslin
The people I've come to know on FriendFeed are what I'd miss though, so I'd like to take my social graph with me wherever I might end up next. There's a business opportunity right there.
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
When I think about it - I found your post as well as the TechCrunch article via Google Friend Connect. So maybe it is time to join that Wave!?
- Harald Felgner
Jerry: I said I was going to wait until I talk with the team more, but the things I'm hearing tell me they've already been bought to work on Facebook proper. So, unless someone tells me that's wrong, that tells me I should spend more and more of my time over on Facebook and not here. But my friend convinced me I'm being hasty and emotional. :-O
- Robert Scoble
Mathew: Scoble said early on in this thread that he invests his time into emerging networks, not things that "are already here" I think thats why he will be moving on to the next big thing, like google wave or watchever new social network emerges out of this. I suspect that another startup will emerge to try and fill the shoes left behind by friendfeed. This is always the case. When napster left, you had morpheus and kazaa, then bit torrents.
- Bryan Lee
Robert - Makes sense - except that it still doesn't seem like a great day for Friendfeed - if it just gets abandoned (by FB as well as by leaders like you...)
- Matthew Blaisdell
Matthew: FriendFeed=Facebook. It's a great day for both. Cause I'll end up at Facebook either way! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Anyway, these are just the emotional ramblings of someone trying to figure out how the world shifted today. Have fun!
- Robert Scoble
clue to the denouement: where is the most valuable processing of this event. Right here.
- Steve Gillmor
I'm just curious what new startup will roll into the limelight because of this announcement?
- Bryan Lee
Robert, FriendFeed != Facebook - look at the quality of commentary/people here
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
FriendFeed can stop improving right now, and I'll still stick around until something else catches up. Maybe that something else will be Facebook. I'll wait and see.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm probably out. Back to open source for me at this point. Time to take another look and see how things have progressed with Laconica, JaikuEngine, NoseRub, and some of the other secondary options. I may also go crawling back to Twitter. Given a choice between Twitter and Facebook... sigh...
- Ken Sheppardson
Monique: It's not about rapid change, it's about where to invest effort. I don't really have any interest in investing my time and energy on Facebook... so why wait?
- Ken Sheppardson
Steve: Yeah, you're probably right. I appreciate the work Bret, Paul, Benjamin, et al have done, and I was really looking forward to where they were taking things... before they were taking it to Facebook.
- Ken Sheppardson
I think I will just stay on twitter, because I can't stand facebook.
- Tomy Thomson
Stephen: FF has died? Well, then, how am I typing to you?
- Robert Scoble
Tomy, why change? You can listen to the Beatles and the Stones!
- Stephen Pickering
Ken: it's all good. they're moving to a radically larger playground, and they can't afford to abandon those who appreciate them
- Steve Gillmor
They will keep FF just will make it better
- Johni Fisher
I'll wait to learn more before making any decisions
- Herb Hernandez
Robert, well, metaphorically. Whether its a few months or a year
- Stephen Pickering
Tomy: Twitter is like Facebook but without likes and comments. Oh, wait, Facebook is a lot like FriendFeed already. I just commented on Louis Gray's item there. Oh, and there's applications. We can play games! :-) Herb: I'll try to go see the team next week. I'm also interviewing Yelp.
- Robert Scoble
But Steve, what if the larger "playground" turns out to be very different from the one pitched to them? What if the FF team finds that their vision isn't shared after all?
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, ok maybe you are right. Maybe it will be like the R&D. That would be great!
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: are you trying to get on the Gillmor Gang? We seem to kill things before they are really dead there too.
- Robert Scoble
Hey Robert , you make friendfeed slower ! I guess you should leave here really x)
- Melissa Taylor
Anyway, I'm going drinking. For real this time.
- Robert Scoble
I'm planning on easing out of Friendfeed in the next couple of days, so I can get the contacts of people I know on here and who's opinions I value.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
Steve, oh yes, If I were him, I would pull out all stops to get this team. I totally understand from a business perspective, all perspectives
- Stephen Pickering
@Steve @Bruce, here's the post http://jungleg.com/2009... -- it's a crazy idea but GR could make an extra effort and put up a better web experience
- Jorge Escobar
I like FriendFeed, a lot, but too few of my friends use the service to make it really useful. So I guess I'll leave.
- Adam Washington
Adam, stay, if even only for the aggregating features
- Stephen Pickering
YES he's sitting in the back laughing while drinking Peppermint Schnaps
- Jeunelle Foster
Scobles outta here. He went to get a life! hehehehehehehe
- Stephen Pickering
totally staying....this really is just the beginning....and, i just built FF into all of my Intro to Soc sections!!!!
- Chad Gesser
I thought you said you'd hand in there until they turn the last server off. What changed your mind?
- Paul Chaney
Speaking of Google. What was the point of them buying Jaiku and doing nothing with it?
- Bryan Lee
I'll at least stay for aggregation and extending 140 character tweets, and pray maybe it will become Facebooks R&D, but I know that's a longshot
- Stephen Pickering
I should get a life too but alas the temptation is too great for "attention whoring"
- Jeunelle Foster
Regarding the "team's plans", I really don't expect to hear anything from Bret, Paul, et al. At this point I'm happy to let the Facebook (i.e. the non-FriendFeed) folks try to convince me that they're ready to do things differently. That involves more than just hiring a team.
- Ken Sheppardson
Well, maybe Paul can influence Mark not "to be evil"
- Stephen Pickering
those who think FB has any choice but to go down the FF road are not thinking this through
- Steve Gillmor
@Stephen, I was alternating between friendfeed and twitter (stones and beatles, respectively :P) but I don't see the point in staying with a dying technology, which unfortunately is where friendfeed is headed. The tech of friendfeed itself will hopefully live on in facebook. I really think facebook has become a slightly less obnoxious version of myspace, and that's being nice.
- Tomy Thomson
Steve, Oh, I totally understand. It was genius of them. Proves how Mark is indeed Master of the Universe
- Stephen Pickering
Steve, self-interest does not guarantee anything. People and companies can act irrationally.
- Bruce Lewis
So Steve, do you see two separate properties indefinitely? Or does Facebook just slowly start too look more FF-like, then one day they redirect friendfeed.com to facebook.com?
- Ken Sheppardson
*eye roll* thread is getting to the point where it's too long and people are now asking questions that have been answered thrice.....Lock down time.
- Matthew DeVries
ff was the important value, not twitter
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, why didn't Ff take over FB? Yeah Facebook has the money, but it's the inferior product.
- Matthew DeVries
Oh sure, who do you want in your office, Ev or Paul Bucheit? Paulllllll!
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen, didn't the TechCrunch article say that the FF team would be split between two bosses, neither of which was Mark?
- Bruce Lewis
That's right. Paul may end up running that thing, or at least be No.2
- Stephen Pickering
@ Robert: The majority of apps on FB are useless imo. Every time I log on I get bombarded by 'add your relative' and 'blackjack' app requests. And don't get my started on the quizzes and other BS. Ah well, I will join your fan page on facebook!
- Tomy Thomson
Wow - isn't this jumping to conclusions? No one has said anything's going away, nor do we know what they're doing to do with it. Stick around, wait to see what happens, then jump. Nothing's happened yet - I think it will all be for the better in the end and you'll know where to go when the FF Team says Jump.
- Jesse Stay
Kurt, he's gonna sit on it for a while, see what shakes out
- Stephen Pickering
jesse skip to the bottom for the apology
- Steve Gillmor
The FF Team hasn't let us down yet, have they? I still trust them - only when they break that trust do we jump.
- Jesse Stay
@Scobleizer I've been on Google Wave for about a week working on an interesting idea I have for it. It's very promising but its very alpha right now. You won't find it worth your time just yet.
- Noah White
Ah - sorry Robert - didn't see the clarification towards the bottom. Thanks Steve.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, you still in the Boston area?
- Bruce Lewis
Why rush to judgment? Even if the "team's plans" are off-base, what's the base? And what's off? Experience, resourcefulness, respect for users and smarts under fire all matter more than "plans." Wait & keep seeing.
- Doc
What the hell? Just because someone buys FriendFeed everyone has to ditch it? ABORT SHIP, ABORT SHIP! Doesn't really make sense so soon. Has anything changed yet? Is it the end of the world? Don't just leave because everyone says they will either. Stick around, the ship is still afloat.
- Nick Humphries
But, if they did pull the plug, with bandwidth and computing halving every year, there would be another one of these pop up in no time
- Stephen Pickering
I don't see a point in leaving Friendfeed until the doors close on us... if and when that happens.
- Alex Knight
Actually facebook is the most popular rss reader of all time :)
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Bruce, we just left today. I'm actually in Niagara Falls, NY right now. Just finished watching a beautiful view of the Falls at night.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, if anybody can persuade me (us?) that Facebook is going to be good for the FF team it's you. Maybe write a blog post or something.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm in it to win it. FF isn't shutting down tomorrow or next week. But it's funny to me that so many dicuss the content... It's the connections made with others that are in jeopardy, not the LOLCat photos...
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
from fftogo
Because of Quantum Wave effects there are an infinite number of Universes, some of which The Gillmor Gang is still broadcasting
- Stephen Pickering
Bruce, I'll be working on a post really soon. Also, Louis Gray and I are going to record a phone call about it tomorrow, which I think should prove useful. I've got a lot of knowledge about Facebook, and he does about FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Kurt, oh yeah, I totally get that and so does Scoble, but you've got to understand his short term hurt. Look at how much energy he put into this thing, and what did he get? Nuttin
- Stephen Pickering
You mean McLuhan is in Scoble's body? He's in the movie Being Robert Scoble?
- Doc
Nonsense Stephen he gets paid in attention every single time
- Steve Gillmor
I was wondering how long this would take to happen. Soon as I saw FF being purchased by Facebook I knew you would bolt. Not 100% surprising.
- Christopher Mercer
Part of beauty of FF: all their shows are taped. And yet open ended.
- Nick in Manila
It depends how much FF changes. No reason to leave until and unless it gets annoying.
- Igor Goldkind
It's "I'll respect you in the morning."
- Sean Gallagher
Oh, I'm not leaving. Hell, I even still have a myspace account. It's just a question of engagement
- Stephen Pickering
Good night all. Tip for Jeunelle: You get more attention if you make your feed public. Make a group for your private stuff.
- Bruce Lewis
they'll have to scrub this one pretty good before they shut it down
- Steve Gillmor
@scobleizer that means half of the total activity on friendfeed will be reduced
- Sidharth Dassani
Maybe if Facebook hadn't stolen all Scoble's data, he'd stop worrying and learn to love them.
- Sean Gallagher
Actually even os Brasileiros are coming over to FB
- Stephen Pickering
My mother is on Facebook. The end is nigh.
- Sean Gallagher
"Maybe Jeunelle doesn't want attention" - says who? I only stepped away to pour me a nice glass of Sauvengion Blanc", and thank you Bruce for the advice I'll look into that tomorrow. After all tomorrow is another day. Twiddly Dee
- Jeunelle Foster
there is no reason to leave. I seriously doubt facebook will kill it.
- Logan Lindquist
Maybe if I blog my twitter of Scoble's FriendFeed and then link it from Facebook via a Digg of a del.icio.us bookmark, it will create a singularity and this thread will have never happened.
- Sean Gallagher
Can someone comment on what April Russo said about Facebook content policy? Seems like a very important piece of the puzzle.
- metalerik
I wouldn't worry about it. The markets will take care of it. If Facebook becomes evil, the masses will fork somewhere else. We're in the age of Openness
- Stephen Pickering
I will only leave friend feed if it becomes a facebook clone. I can't stand facebook but I still use it cause my friends and family use it, but if friendfeed becomes annoying like face book then I see no point in staying here.
- Colide81 (James)
from iPhone
You know Sean maybe smarter than he looks....hmmmmm :) and what's with that bird head?
- Jeunelle Foster
Quote of the Day: "Microsoft and Twitter deserve each other. They are both somewhat buggy and don't come up with new features very often. ;-)" - Robert Scoble
- Diego Barros
It's a starling fledgeling. The perfect symbol for social networking-- it eats whatever you give it, then poops on you.
- Sean Gallagher
That's what I want to reincarnate as....an angry poopin bird
- Jeunelle Foster
Just reading all the news about FF and FB. Disapoints me personally, biz wise nice job. Um not a huge FB user so I don't know what my plans are yet. Like you wait a bit and see....
- Bryan Thatcher
from iPhone
I hope FF doesn't go away and fold in to FB. I don't need FB. It's like bringing a machine gun to a knife fight.
- Diego Barros
I won't leave FF until they make me or there's no community left. Whichever comes first.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Well, it's made me think twice about vesting too much into any one service (so has the demise of tr.im). I use Facebook, Twitter, Livejournal, and FF all pretty equally, so I guess I'm not feeling this as much as some.
- Bill Kinney
Jannifer, Yes we will on his JS-Kit Echo commenting system he will put on his blog. It's real time like this
- Stephen Pickering
I'm leaving. Google Wave, Twitter, Reader will plenty suffice now. Farewell, former friend.
- Californian
Oh Stephen - I'm not sure what that is... but it won't be like Friendfeed. :-(
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
At some point I imagine I will. I have no interest in joining facebook. When I do depends on what facebook does with ff.
- Quasar
I'm sticking around till FB screws it up. But I was keeping FF separate from FB because most of my FB friends are my born-again Christian relatives who won't like the controversial stuff of mine that makes it onto FF's news feed. Still, I'm going to look for other similar sites. Posterous is one.
- Dennis Jernberg
I'm not leaving but I'm not moving to Facebook. The main thing for me is to keep the contacts I've gained from FriendFeed and hope we all can meet on another similar service somewhere somehow.
- Kol Tregaskes
Maybe. But i really want Google Wave invite.
- ★ Soner Gönül
It's hard to say at this point. The only thing that's changed is who pays the server bill. Ask me in a week. And yes, a Google Wave invite would sure go a long way to make this better for me.
- Dale
Leaving a favorite site isn't always a conscious decision for me. The cool site loses its cool and you just kind of drift off.
- Dale
from email
Oh yeah, and I added my Posterous blog to my FriendFeed feed, so you'll be seeing whatever I post there in your home feed here. That is, if you subscribe to me here, or if one of your subscribers likes or comments. Me, leave? Not yet! ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
I'm loyal until they make it worth me leaving.
- Jesse Stay
I'm here until they slam the gates shut. But I am hiding all your BS posts about it being a good thing :)
- jcunwired
If you want to be sure that I quit Friendfeed you have to see my burial. I will never quit while being alive! :-)
- Kolja
I'm staying but it's like when you know that the company you work for has been bought by someone else and might close it, you lose motivation and start looking for another job, it's hard to invest time and energy if there might be no future. Not that the future of FF was guaranteed before but now it does not look good at all.
- M F
I'm heading to Plurk! who's with me? *tumbleweed*
- Iain Baker
Friendfeed is two totally different things: the original RSS aggregation service, and a social network service/community. Lifestream.fm is a reasonable replacement for the former. As to the latter, it's the people, not the tech they're using, that makes FF special. I've benefited greatly as a 'consumer' here, reading posts - if that continues on Facebook, it will probably get me to...
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- SteamCentral
i'll be around until it becomes unbearable, probly until it's been damaged badly by FB style feature creep and riddled with ads and spammers. oh, and absolutely stupid censorship policies. that'll be a real killer.
- Joe Silence is not Santa
The CloneFeed group has given me some interest. It gives some hope in case FF really goes away or merges badly with FB. I like FB but just don't want to fully mix the two activities/audiences.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I'd rather keep my Friendfeed as my "professional aggregation" and Facebook as personal stuff. I blog, tweet, etc. stuff that a lot of my friends could care less about. And I post stuff to Facebook that isn't interesting or relevant to clients / followers.
- Gregg Le Blanc
Google Wave is what I am looking for. The problem with moving to Facebook is that I use it for close friends and family so things like comments and pics etc that I post to it I would not want to have available to all of the contacts I have on FF at the moment. Mainly because I like to separate those I know from those that I converse with if that makes sense. I loved that on FF I could...
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- Travis Koger
Whilst I am not 'leaving' FF, I will not be investing anywhere near the type of interaction I have done previous to yesterday's announcement as I just see it as wasted time.
- Travis Koger
I have to wait & see what, I don't want to lose the community; where do I go? This feels like Pownce all over!
- clarke thomas
Nope, not yet. I still dream about FF and FB to coexist. I think Facebook is even more boring now, after this announcement. Anyone else feels this way?
- Patrik Johansson
Not me. I will be glad when all the people who say they are leaving do so my feed won't be full of people saying they are leaving.
- Alan Simpson
FF is my first big social networking investment (or time) - I'll stay and then move, if forced. I'll certainly investigate other tools in an effort to fill any gap left by FaceFeed.
- Jason Miller
I just saw that a woman's twittering her childbirth made the front page of BBC's world news webpage. I don't know to make of it, but I don't want to hang out at Twitter much anymore.
- Mitch
Mitch: we Twittered our childbirth in 2007 and we will again in September, but probably not on our main account.
- Robert Scoble
won´t leave!!! i LOVE friendfeed. @Mitch i know what you mean. So many stories and this is the one they picked?
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
i think i'm stayin, and wait what's goin on facebook. i will feel upset if they dont allow the users to make their choice of using one or other site, but looks like they gonna force to use FB instead of FF :(
- Dani Martínez
Not sure how on board with FriendFeed I ever was to begin with to be honest...
- Gurpreet
FriendFeed will be fine - FaceBook is fine - and so is Twitter - I might check out AmpliFeeder, I suspect quite a few FriendFeeders will migrate there as the days go by.
- Chris Loft
Not leaving FF but I can't wait till it's properly integrated with Facebook. Interesting thing: Wave's API is open so there's nothing to stop Facebook creating an app to make Facebook & Wave work great together. Not so much either/or as and... and..!
- Matt Moran
Has anyone tried amplifeeder? edit: so far don't see any friending abilities though
- metalerik
Why leave? But will be open to see other options - facebook doesn't (currently) provide to me what I get here.
- amygeek
OH NO, I just finish moving all my stuff HERE!
- Terence
Robert: I closed down my embeds today. Sad for my blog.
- Mark Essel
I stay on FriendFeed, on Twitter, on Facebook, etc.
- Emmanuel Gadenne
I won't delete my account, but as FF morphs into the ball of confusion that is Facebook, I won't be very active.
- Jeremy Brooks
I will. No point sticking around when you know it is going to die sooner or later. With twitter you still have the hope....
- Davide D'Incau
I'll leave Facebook if FF gets harmed. And go back to Identi.ca... ;-)
- Torrid Luna
Yeah, I'll probably leave Facebook too. If they're going to "steal" the FriendFeed functions and just let FF die, I will not have any sympathies left for Facebook. I'll go "all Google" or something.
- Patrik Johansson
I'll stay on FF, FB and T, and BK, and other, BrightKite is not well utilised, is good even on beta.
- Andy Ghozali
I joined posterous for blogging/lifestreaming and will continue to use twitter. I might go on facebook once in a while, which is what I was doing anyway.
- Tomy Thomson
Robert: If you're looking for an awesome real-time discussion platform, you should migrate to Fluther. http://www.fluther.com
- Ben
I'm staying put and watching the ship sink. I'd really like to believe that FriendFeed will have some longevity, but I won't hedge my bets.
- Tyson Key
Steve Gillmor said "clue to the denouement: where is the most valuable processing of this event. Right here." so for now, FF looks like the space.
- Barbara K. Iverson
I intend to stick around to see what Facebook have planned. I think the takeover has everything to do with the direction FB's been heading in lately, what with their open challenge to Twitter
- Dennis Jernberg
I don't see it as leaving, but rather seeing the possibility that it might leave us. FF was and still is just about my favorite site and uberaggregatorthing that I ever saw....
- Rob Schieber
Nope... I'll stay, even if I ride it to a bitter end.
- Mark "DerBingle" J
depends. if they stay seperate services, i wont like the acquisition,but i'll stay. if they become 1 service, i'm out. and where is every1 going from friend feed anyhow. what else is there?
- echostreamer
Will wait and see what happens with FB
- Ted Kinzer
fb ruins everything. Have the Privacy policy "not "changed since fb came into the pic? Can they not build their own ideas instead of buying everyone else's? leave us geeks to play in our playground and stay in yours. greedy buggers. The second they pull a skanky fb move i'm out. bitches.
- seastarerrin
Leaving no. Checking out other venues yes.
- Martha
Just maybe Facebook will listen to the Friendfeed engineers in charge of user interface/usability starting with the type size and fonts. Not all marriages are made in heaven. Culture clashes are sure to pop up.
- Alan Morris
I was about to focus a little more on FF but since I heard about the purchase and read rumors about FF being integrated in FB and being shutdown and all this, I'm getting a little ... well.. undecided.. Just checked Streamy, didn't like it. If a.tinythread.com get's more development, this might be the next thing to migrate to. I'm sure not moving to FaceBook. I have my account, I have...
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- Dan van Moll
Not interested in being part of Facebook. Goodbye, FriendFeed. :-(
- TranceMist
I wish more folks would see the big picture. We need to focus on independent projects that are NOT part of the Google-Yahoo-Microsoft borg. As soon as a site gets absorbed it is time to find another independent site. Yes, I do realize that some may have actually been part all along and only pretending they were independent in the first place - especially if they were founded by...
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- Internet Strategist
Such mixed emotions... Was just visited by Jehovah's Witnesses... two ladies and a little boy who was probably about 6 years old. The boy was dressed up with a tie and was very nervous about delivering a speech he'd obviously worked hard to try to remember asking me to take a copy of the Watchtower magazine. I couldn't turn it down...
As they were walking away he said to one of the ladies "I finally got one!!" genuinely excited about the accomplishment. I must have been the first one to take a magazine from him, maybe the first one to even answer the door. It was hard not to reward him for being so cute, even if I disagree with the practice of door to door evangelism.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Oh my - I am actually kind of disgusted by that. I'm so happy for the young boy because he accomplished something that made his mom proud, and that made him proud and excited too. But on the other side, he was used for exactly that reason. Wow. Mixed emotions indeed.
- Andy Bold
It was nice of you to do that though. =)
- David Cook
++David :) I think I would have done the same.
- Andy Bold
I used to be that little boy. :) It's like any other religion taught to you in your youth. Theocratic Ministry school skill set transfers in later life. I still admire and respect my mother despite the fact that I am not enamored with religion. per se. I do think that J W's overall are misunderstood and get a bad rap.
- Eric Logan
Climbing the ladder to join the 144,000. I prefer the 72 virgins approach myself.
- Brian Sullivan
I like to take comfort in knowing the overwhelming evidence is that people tend to figure out religion on their own as adults (at least in first-world countries). They aren't nearly as likely to just believe what their parents believed as it would seem. So I'd say giving him a sense of accomplishment was probably good, and he'll decide if he likes the religion in his own time.
- Ben Reierson
What Andy said. I can imagine it being hard to watch young minds programmed with antiquated beliefs and values, especially in the uber-connected technology-infused information-rich existence that many young kids are exposed to at an increasingly earlier age.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
It doesn't cost anything to be nice. ++Lindsay.
- Josh Haley
I'm not so sure about taking children door to door like that either, but another +1 for you for being nice.
- Aaron Hood
Hey, if they want to bring him around young then it's my duty to prepare him for what's to come.
- Valley
being able to live in a country where you can share your religious beliefs respectfully is a true freedom. Almost all religions will promote indoctrinating their young at the earliest ages. I accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior in the backseat of the family car when coming home from church when I was 5 -- even though I really don't practice any religion today and was in...
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- Thomas Hawk
That was really sweet. :) I'm not sure I would have done the same and I probably would have felt a bit guilty. Ah well... the problem now is that they've marked our house as an "easy mark" and they'll be back more often now. I had a friend in college who accepted a Book of Mormon just to get rid of a couple of LDS missionaries, but they harassed the hell out of him after that until he told them he was a pot-smoking atheist.
- Chrimmus Tad
I personally think it is wrong of the family to do this to the child. I'm not saying they can't teach their beliefs to their children, but putting him on public display and using him to get their information to you just seems a bit scummy. I have also had extremely bad experiences with JW's so my view may be skewed. I just think they should give him foundation in their beliefs without...
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- Rachel Lea Fox
My experience with JW's is limited to the sole girl in my class whose mother was a JW. She would have to sit in the corner every time the class had our annual Christmas party because her mom didn't want her to participate. She cried pretty much every year through elementary school. She told me that her dad (divorced) would give her birthday and Christmas presents and her mom would throw them all away. Sigh. Never been a big JW fan.
- Chrimmus Tad
Lindsay, no matter what your religious belief system is - you did a wonderful thing for the little boy. I agree with the other comments, he will find his way as an adult, the parents are just planting the seeds of what they know/believe/understand. Kudos nice lady!
- Janet
I am not a big JW fan either. I would not have been mean to the child. I do not think I could. I would let the adults around know that using a child will not get to me. Gracefully, I would decline. To me it is their fault for bring a child to a battlefield--if you will.
- Valley
My experiences with JW's were more malicious than Tad's. One time several snuck into a funeral of a teenager who had committed suicide (bf my one of my friends - why I was there) and scream from the balcony that he was going to hell till they were dragged out. My other issue was one who was going door to door and came upon my Great Grandmother about 6 months after her husband had died....
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- Rachel Lea Fox
Nice, Lindsay. He'll always remember this, as well. I know I did when I was 5 and gave my first presentation. :)
- Steven Perez
Rachel, if your great-grandma had lived in Seattle, I would swear that I knew her. I knew an elderly woman in that exact situation. Poor little lady.
- Rochelle
Rachel: those would be outlier situations, because (a) we don't collect dues - never have, and that's been a point of pride since the 1870's, "no collection plate passed" - and (b) we don't believe in hell. Not saying that our religion doesn't have its share of assholes, but generally speaking, those instances would be news to the majority of us.
- Steven Perez
steven is right with those 2 points and i don't think those people that yelled at the funeral were genuine jw's
- Alfredo
Steven, you a Witness, too??? And Lindsay: thanks. That was a Very kind thing to do. Read them, too please. This months magazines are very interesting.
- Roberto Bonini
And as for the holiday thing, Tad, it's a lot like junk food. If you've always had it, you can't imagine living without some form of it. If you've never had it and been told all your life what goes into it, you can't imagine people eating such digsuting things. And if you've got one parent who doesn't want you to eat junk food and another who insists that you eat it, yeah, you'd be a pretty miserable kid, too.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Great. Just great steven. I never knew. :D
- Roberto Bonini
Steven - we'll just have to agree to disagree. :)
- Chrimmus Tad
from fftogo
Good points Steven. Tad, of course. We don't force feed people.
- Roberto Bonini
Steven & Alfredo, if the yellers weren't JW than they had it in for you because that is what they told the police, listed in their report my friends mother got. Not that this means it is true by any means, or if it was true they could have been modifying to add in their own ways to the religion. I do understand that, but that is a memory that has stuck hard in my memory. Not an easy...
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- Rachel Lea Fox
I agree with what you did. I'm an atheist but this boy was just doing what he was told and most definitely deserved your kindness. Doesn't hurt to take the magazine.
- Jim Graham
I just love what Josh Haley said. +10 to him and Lindsay. Oh, and the rest of y'all are interesting, too ;)
- joey
There are a lot of wisdom nuggets in this post. Carry on.
- Russellreno
I'm split on how I handle that kinda stuff. Two Mormon guys came by one day, and were incredibly gracious when I turned down their sales pitch. I really admired how cheerfully they handled it. OTOH, I've had others (some JW, some plain ol' Baptists) who acted like I had just kicked a puppy when I politely turned them away. *That* irritates me... don't guilt trip me, dude.
- Roger Benningfield
I agree with Thomas Hawk and would have to second Steven as to Rachel's experience being an outlier, based on what I know from having a family filled with different gradients of JW's practitioners where the primary variant is their individual personalities.The fact that there can be a civil discourse here on FF about a topic like this speaks volumes about this medium and its users IMHO.
- Eric Logan
I always take religious propaganda when offered. At least it keeps it out of the hands of someone more impressionable. And I'm starting to build a collection of amusing stuff. :) (Also, +1 Eric.)
- Karl Knechtel
Rachael - I'm on board with your experiences. My stepfather was a native Norwegian and all of his family came to the US and converted to JW except for him. So my stepfather was basically disowned. Then when he died, they were notified, but refused to attend his funeral. That, plus other experiences and a lot of obsessive research when I was a teenager turned me off of that religion as well as others.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I also would have taken the literature and not gotten into a debate of any sort.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Given the topic, I'm really impressed with how civil this discussion has been. FriendFeed community FTW!
- Bruce Lewis
I suppose I didn't handle it too well, but in the (almost exact) same situation I got them to excuse themselves after telling me I was doomed. I'm sorry the kid may have been weirded out.
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
"It seems like it’s time for online conversations to move to television. First, we heard that Twitter might in some way be included in not one but several TV shows, and now there’s a new TV series in the works, called Purefold, which will partly be based on input from FriendFeed."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
"Purefold is being developed by independent studio Ag8 in partnership with Ridley and Tony Scott’s newly launched entertainment division Free Scott, and it’s loosely based on Ridley Scott’s movie, Blade Runner. Unfortunately for Philip K. Dick or Ridley Scott fans, the series won’t be very closely connected to the movie or the book that inspired it, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep....
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- Kol Tregaskes
I thought this was an April Fool, then I remembered the date. Bizarre!
- Martin Bryant
I like this idea. Gonna have to read up on it.
- Amani
Hah, makes even less sense than a Twitter TV show. Maybe the FFundercats will have a little interlude in it, where they extol the virtues of Denon Ethernet cables, bacon and various other things? ;)
- Tyson Key
Tyson, really? Purefold sounds a great idea.
- Kol Tregaskes
Aah, I only heard about it, just now...
- Tyson Key
Tyson, haven't spoken to the FFundercats yet - how we use FFeed is going to spin their heads, I think.
- zeroinfluencer
Ya David , you need a cameo or an up and coming actor or consultant. I am your guy!!
- Amani
Of all the tweets one could ever post, this is by far the most beautiful. Thank you for sharing the moment with us so we could celebrate life with you. Congratulations!
- Eric Traub
HOO-RAY!!!! Congratulations, Tamar. :)
- Steven Perez
I will be there in September again. I can't wait to see your baby! And Milan needs more friends. And Scobleizer3.0 needs more mentors! :-) Enjoy every day, it goes so fast!
- Robert Scoble
I don't know you, Tamar, but you still get a mazel tov! (You're on my FF via other folks I follow.) Much health & happiness to you & your family.....
- Alan Mairson
now I ved seen everything on Twitter!
- Diva of Dish
Awesome congrats! I like how you let us know that you, baby AND daddy are doin OK. We know how daddys have a hard time sometimes! LOL jk Congrats to all!
- Manny
CONGRATULATIONS! Yay to the new family!
- Anna Lynn M.
Robert, you're bringing Milan to NYC in October? Nice. :)
- Tamar Weinberg
How did that rumor start? Nope, no Milan to NYC.
- Robert Scoble
oh, no play dates then as I probably won't be traveling to anywhere in a long time!
- Tamar Weinberg
Hey Tamar your baby is "liked" by over 220 people and it's just a few days into this world, not too shabby.
- Steve C
Baby boy is resting on mommy's chest as she leans back on a chair updating her FriendFeed. As for the other questions... he doesn't have a name yet. His Bris will be Thursday and we'll name him during the ceremony. The only video the hubby took was me calling his great grandma while the doctor was yelling at me to put my phone down (no, I couldn't actually tweet that I was pushing. I did it as soon as I could!) ;) Weight: 5lb 14oz at birth.
- Tamar Weinberg
DEAR GOD! I thought SJP's was bad in the Sex in the City Movie; this is a like mash up of bride to be & burlesque/pole dancer with the pasties
- sofarsoShawn
Hate to be uncharitable, but what a way to ruin what could be a nice memory. Can't believe noone said anything.
- Rick Cogley
I don't think the dress was intended to look like that. it looks like the top fell of. still.. classy...
- D. Eda Goze
She's obviously left little to the imagination!
- Tardid
You shouldn't try to avoid gravity like that...it still kicks you right in the ass at the wrong time.
- Kris Roley
I really hope they were all too drunk to notice. I'm all about letting the girls hang out, but not at your wedding where people like YOUR FATHER and YOUR ELDER RELATIVES are all in attendance. Good lord...
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the darkness at Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain…. Time to die."
- Jim Norris
I don't like it when food threatens me. Or the invisible iguana under my bed. He's a real bastard.
- Roger Benningfield
HELP! I'm trapped in a popsicle stick factory.
- DGentry
I've seen this movie, and Bruce Willis is standing behind you with a lethal bombpop.
- Peggy Gartin
That's cool that you can send Amazon a hard drive to put data on its cloud. At @mosso we'll also take your datacenter in a form like this: - http://twitpic.com/5fwoc
Most super large data centers now are being built in container trucks like this one, which can contain hundreds of servers and hundreds of hard drives. This truck was delivered to Rackspace's headquarters. Far faster than trying to transfer all that data via the Internet. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
there's a data center near my office, which has a ton of these sitting outside, for some reason people believe the power is cleaner near the power grid HQ (not true)
- clarke thomas
Carlos: yeah, I was at Sun earlier this week and got a peek into one.
- Robert Scoble
Wonder when we'll start hearing about datacenter thefts? That's a high value target!
- CAJ, somewhere else
Alan: I'm pretty sure they've already happened. I know a guy who builds security systems for container trucks and he says that a lot of them disappear every day. Usually the driver is involved in the theft, too, but its hard to prove.
- Robert Scoble
you should never underrate the bandwith of a truck full of hard drives on a highway...only latency sucks :)
- Jérôme
Robert, at least if a...what should we call it, Container Center? Anyway, at least if these are stolen they had to work at it. Government agencies losing laptops with important data is what frustrates me.
- CAJ, somewhere else
We need Fiber to the house! Plain and Simple!
- TonyatMATC
Distributed file systems seem to make more and more sense. Tho it's hard to sell the notion of spreading your data across a number of locations.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
@Jérôme - latency and jitter, unless using SSD drives :) I think it's pretty certain the servers are locked down during transit ;)
- Robert J Taylor
@Jérôme (and I know you were meaning that the DC would be powered while moving, just funnin' ya :) )
- Robert J Taylor
Robert - hey how much to "borrow" one of those very "cool" trucks? I just migrated Petersons.com Dev/QA env. to FLA and now I get to migrate that env. again! This time I wanna cool truck!! :)
- Susan Beebe
TonyatMATC - there's already fiber to the house w/ Verizon FiOS.
- clarke thomas
@clarke I mean Fiber to everyones house. Just like we built the interstates. FIOS is not where I live
- TonyatMATC
"Gene Wilder, now 71, rejects most of the scripts sent to him these days. "It's mostly stuff that they think I can make funny," he says. "I can't." - ouch :(
- Josh Haley
Hell, even Mel Brooks can't write a funny script anymore.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, yes. To quote Cole (and bend the lyric), "Where have all the funny cowboys gone?"
- Micah Wittman
T-Shirt & Travel Mug (in case we actually leave the house) Did it @ Cafe Press: Please note 1) I'm not an artist so I hope you like the organic nature of it. 2) I'm not looking to make any $ on this, any proceeds will be donated to my favorite charity http://guardsmen.org Here is the link: http://www.cafepress.com/kevinmu...
- Kevin Murray
Thanks to all your help! This problem is now Solved!! Was a mistaken DMCA takedown on official and legit 6 months old Seth Macfarlane cartoon mashup contest that suspended my Youtube account. http://www.techdirt.com/article...
Hopefully Google can soon restore it with all my videos/views/comments/ratings/rankings. Thanks for your comments! I posted more details at http://charbax.com/2009...
- Charbax
Thanks to all your help here on friendfeed! This problem is now Solved!!
- Charbax
@Laurie, Oh man. Those are serious granny panties!
- ♥patricia♥
I'm thinking Mona likes the kind of underwear that covers her womanly bits with dental floss. [EDIT: Not that there's anything wrong with that. I bet she looks smokin' in em.]
- Laura Norvig
Out, I am not loll! You're freaky deaky dude. And you guys are all missing where the actual slider is positioned. Cha-Chiiiing!
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Mona, I know you are hinting at something so but I've been rubbing my screen for the last hour trying to work it out and all Ive done is worn a hole....what am I doing wrong?
- Threepwood
Its all nice but please get it off Celina Jaitley, she is yuck and she talks weirdly. Please photoshop it on someone else. Then I would enjoy it more. =P
- Faraz Mullick
This would sell AWESOME in the Chicks with D*cks/ Wangs demographic (hermaphrodites/pre or /during op Trannies) market, so as to jump the lines at sporting venues etc. & YES they ARE GRANNIES!
- sofarsoShawn
With my luck, they'd be password protected.
- Robert Hafer
Mona, if these are granny undies, what exactly do you wear? lol
- Daynah
Anna, apparently the nail polish is there to give perspective on how giant the panties are. Full story (towards the bottom of this post): http://metalia.blogspot.com/2007...
- Laura Norvig
Great article. I think FB is about to destroy it´s service because they couldn´t buy twitter. Instead of accepting that there is room for two great services on the Internet, they are now on a steady course to destroy one service. In the war between FB and Twitter, there is room for new great services to grow. Maybe Friendfeed will be that service?
- Frode Stenstrøm
exactly Frode, it seems as if Facebook are trying to be everything to everyone...which could easily be its eventual downfall.
- Zee.
Seems FB´s trying to be an internet on the internet. Why would I want to do everything on one service and under one domain when the web is more and more connected (in an open manner) ?
- Thomas Bøhm
I believe that's their strategy. For many people it makes negotiating the Internet simpler. Most people aren't tech geeks like us!
- Gregg Scott
They have a classic strategy that is bound to fail. Companies start small and focued. (Anyone remember what FB´s strategy was at the start? :) ) then they grow and expand. In search of new revenue streams they broaden and loose focus. They become a general service instead of a pioneer and leave room for new companies to grow. Anyone remember what almost happened to IBM? How about Coca Cola?
- Frode Stenstrøm
I'd been thinking this before FB announced any of this. I wrote Tremendous Tiwtter Ideas posts Part 1- http://twurl.nl/cpoj8w and Part -2 - http://twurl.nl/6g6yog that I hope @ev and @biz see. I think there's far more to Twitter than we're all really seeing. FB is extending the walls of the walled garden.
- Ken Camp
Facebook reminds me of another big name that tried to expand and morph beyond its original offering. I'm talking about Yahoo!. Yahoo! went from the biggest name on the web (in search and in portal technology) to an also-ran in so many technologies. And this happened for many reasons - not least of which was the dilution of their original vision. Is Facebook intentionally trying to repeat the errors of Yahoo!?
- Lorin Olsen
Such need for expantion is often based on the difficulty in saying no to a good idea.
- Frode Stenstrøm
I seriously doubt any of their users (besides us geeks) have asked for the ability to access Facebook outside of Facebook.
- Daniel Sims
Great article and I think your right, a lot of Facebook users are not tech savy they use Facebook to communicate with their family and college friends and don't necessarily want everyone in the world to know of the communication. I can picture trouble in the future.
- Kim Landwehr
Has anyone checked out Facebook's new friend pages? It looks like they're trying to become Friendfeed as well. I happen to like the more Twitter-like layout personally, but the Friendfeed look for the Friend pages feels all wrong....
- Kristine Lowe
Five years of pictures, my entire music library, my videos, my portfolio, all my saved documents, tax returns, and pretty much my entire life. Gone in one format. :/
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
I can get some of my pictures back from Picasa/Flickr/Facebook.. Most of my full albums are backed up on another drive, but my portfolio and documents are gone forever. I'm literally in shock right now.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
been there done it got the t-shirt. Don't defenestrate the computer. It's not its fault.
- Ian May
Fuck backups, I'm researching cloud storage from now on. This will never happen again. @Ian i'm not blaming the computer, it's complete user error.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
holy crap that sucks. i did that when installing xp on my macbook pro via bootcamp, but *thankfully* that was only after I had it for ~2 weeks and didn't lose a whole lot. that totally blows.
- Robert DeBord
Nope.. Partition wipe, and installed the OS over the drive. No chance of recovery. My only hope is that I had an old version of My Docs saved on some random drive.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Actually, cloud storage could be considered backup. Wasn't Leo Laporte pimping cloud backups recently on TWiT?
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
OMG I feel like I just lost a family member or something.. I was so meticulous about all my docs and music.. perfect organization and some things which can never be recovered. FUCKKKKKKK
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Haggis, so very sorry....I too have been there!
- Janet
i'm sorry, thats one of life's current day worsts :(
- chaz2b
This is also why I just started using Mozy a few weeks ago. Though, unfortunately, so far that service totally blows and has been a major pain just to get stuff uploaded.
- Robert DeBord
Oh dude. That blows. I totally feel your pain. I did that once back in 2001. I lost so much stuff, I just sat there and cried and cried and CRIED. And then I bought an external drive enclosure, a 14Gb hard drive, and made myself a USB backup drive. I'm so paranoid now of losing any data that I back up all important files onto 2 different USB hard drives AND store backups on my webserver.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Sorry to hear. Is data recovery really out of the question? the OS by itself can't have sat over all the data. Or did this 'partition wipe' really hard-write 0s (or random) over the whole disk?
- Andrew C
NO F-WAY!!!!! IF THERE WAS EVER A REASON FOR ALL-CAPS......!!!!!!
- Martha
@Andrew I have no idea. I'm open for data recovery suggestions.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
My condolences for your loss, Sean. I feel your pain, a few months ago, I lost my entire comic book collection to a flooded garage. 20 years of trawling through comic shop bins and obsessing about having complete collections of this and that... MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN MEEEEEEEE!.
- Adrian
Could the FBI find some of the files? (they do on TV!)
- Janet
I'm trying the "TestDisk" open source recovery software right now.. it's scanning the partition and Lifehacker recommended it for people who "Accidentally erase their partition"
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Janet, theoretically they could. They have the right tools to do it. They question is, would they?
- Michael Forian
Gods please, please, please let me recover my docs folder.. I don't want to lose 8 years of photos. :(
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Maybe for FBI newbie training purposes? So hoping you are able to recover your pictures. After my last loss my husband archives all files elsewhere. I couldn't tell you how much music I lost that I will never recover.
- Janet
Music is also my worry.. I'm crazy paranoid about backing up my full albums, but there were a lot of singles that never made it to my music backup drive.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Haggis - so, so sorry. I can't vouch personally for the software referenced in the following, but read this forum suggestion in case it helps: http://en.kioskea.net/forum...
- Micah Wittman
Ultimate Boot CD for Windows (free) http://www.ubcd4win.com/content... - includes these recovery programs: Free Undelete, Unstop Copier, Swiss Knife, Restoration, Recuva ... and more.
- Micah Wittman
So the final word is nothing is recoverable. I tried but everything came out corrupted. I am now going through old hard drives in the hopes of finding and old version of anything. I do not have high expectations. I am about on the verge of tears thinking of everything I lost.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
from IM
<runs and does my own backup/> Sorry man! Been there and it really sucks!
- Mark Philpot
sorry to hear Haggis :-( you might wanna check out the cloud from now on
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Been there done that. Lost 7 years of emails, 3 years of pics. It was one of the most depressing events in my life. Sorry to hear that it happened to you :(
- Paul Grav
I'm still in a bit of shock this morning. I kept waking up throughout the night hoping it was all some bad dream, but no.. it wasn't. To me, this is the equivalent to having your house catch fire, or a tornado blowing through. My most important things were saved on that drive.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
oh geez. backups are crucial. sorry to hear it man! I had a loss of a year's worth of digital photos back in 2000 and I vowed it would never happen again
- Nathan Chase
I signed up for Mozy and have it running now, so everything will now be "in the cloud." This will never, ever happen again. This is a fucking nightmare.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Sometimes we need something other than "Like" when we feel your pain. I hope that some way, some how, somebody can help you find at least a partial solution.
- Jim Espinoza
It totally does feel like a house fire or tornado. I'm sorry Sean.
- Keith - @tsudo
...sorry to hear about it. not certain, but if you a) didn't zero out the disk while installing the OS, and b) didn't completely fill it up with new data, you may have a chance. you might want to check with an outfit like DriveSavers. it may be expensive, but if there's stuff that you really need, why not have recovery experts take a look? i don't work for them or have any connection, but I've heard miraculous stories of what they can do.
- .LAG liked that
@LAG I don't have the kind of money for a professional recovery. I tried several different types of software last night, and while it was recovering files, they were all corrupted or damaged. MP3 files were starting halfway through and cutting off, images were garbled, and documents were filled with random characters. It's gone.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
...well, then, here's a toast: to fresh starts, and backup plans.
- .LAG liked that
I am a computer forensic investigator. It is likely that the majority of your data is still there. Windows doesn't really "wipe" even when you do a partition wipe. It may be a painful process to recover it though as the files will have to be individually carved from unallocated space. There are automated tools that do this but they are very expensive which is why professionals charge so much.
- Kenya
How much does it run on average for data recovery? I think I would try to preserve the drive and save up for it. Or take up a collection ;)
- joey
At least $500 to over a grand, depending on how bad the data was damaged. At this point probably pretty bad, plus I'd have to send it off and be without a secondary drive for who knows how long. I really don't know at this point..
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Price has come down then. I have a hard drive that died on me, that I put away somewhere safe, where I have pictures from my best friend who died in 2005.... I was quoted $3000 to recover the drive then. I'm keeping the drive in a safe until I have that kind of money to spare.
- Matthew DeVries
That drive actually died though (you could hear the sound of a crashed head dragging across the platters), so I'm less optimistic for mine than I would be for you Sean.
- Matthew DeVries
I'm so sorry. -hugs and makes cookies?- =[
- Colette
You sure you don't want to try "RecoverMyFiles?"
- jamar78
Nah.. I'm just going to move forward from here. It sucks I lost my PSD portfolio stuff, but my deviantArt profile has it on there.. Nothing that was really worth keeping other than nostalgia sake. It'd just be frustrating trying to piece together fragmented files.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Oh man! @syncplicity and drop box are awesome! Hope you work it out. You really may be able to recover some of it, I've seen crazier stuff!
- Brian Bufalo
So sorry to hear that :( That's awful. I'd be cussing up a mighty storm if it were me.
- Kamilah Gill
right on man!!! just spent all weekend devoid of pc/bb/social sites etc with all my time spent on/with wife and our two kids (8 1/2 yr old son and 5 1/2 yr old daughter). BEST WEEKEND ever!!! Most incredible ride you'll ever take bro Congrats!!!!!!!!!!
- Ted Bradford II
Congratulations to you and yours! Happy news :)
- Andy Bold
Babies are just the coolest thing ever. One of my favorite things is that when they start talking, they love to point and say "BABY!" whenever they see anyone even a smidgen smaller than they are. Love that.
- Kathy Fitch
Sheryl will want to squish a baby Scoble next time we're down your way. hehehe
- Ken Camp
Congrats to you and your family! Wishing you the best.
- Larry Roth
Congratulations Robert - you must be proud!
- Jesse Stay
Three boys in this house. It's fantastical! Congratulations again, Robert. Even though it would mean one more web login, I'm holding out hope you'll utilize my social site for baby birth prognostication http://bebepool.com - we could all participate, it would be fun :)
- Micah Wittman
On second thought, it might bring the server down :O
- Micah Wittman
Congratulations to everyone involved. :) We were told that our second child was going to be a girl, the hospital staff were certain. You know what is coming — yep, it was a boy. It was the biggest shock of the night. The second biggest shock (a few moments earlier) was me having to deliver him at home with instructions over the phone from the emergency services. Good luck! :)
- Chris Marshall
""Hobbits", the pint-sized primitive human species discovered on an Indonesian island, may have interacted with humans, suggest researchers at a scientific conference."
- Bill Romanos
from Bookmarklet
One thing I haven't seen brought up yet regarding Oracle + Sun: putting resources towards MySQL gives them a perfectly good competitor to MSSQL Express. If Oracle despises MS as much as everything I'm reading, I would think they'd definitely want to keep MySQL around and running if only to keep MSSQL from gaining that much more market share.
Seriously, John. I mean, Oracle has a version for testing/non-production/educational use which of course some companies have co-opted for production. But having a legitimate Ora/MySQL hybrid out there that is open source, robust, and available for commercial use WITHOUT the stupid MSSQL Express 5 DB restriction would put them in a great position.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Why do they need to integrate. I think they should leave it as a stand alone product line. Does MSSQL Express have a large market? Nothing close to MySQL. That is what Oracle should capitalize on, the current market share it has. But if you're talking about a desktop replacement used for local DB's they have some work to do. Mainly selling MS developers that its an alternative they should be using.
- Thom Allen
I'm not saying they need to integrate, Thom (and honestly I'd rather they didn't). However, I think they will integrate at some point down the road, bringing in some of the Oracle features and a version or so later dropping some legacy MySQL support. Then again, I could be completely wrong...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
It's interesting to see where they try to take this. You know, as little as I know about this stuff.
- Mike Nayyar
The technology isn't the challenge - it never is. The challenge is on the business end. What support model will Oracle offer for MySQL in the future that balances Oracle's needs vs. the needs of MySQL users?
- John E. Bredehoft
(Really I was replying to John Bredehof) I think adding some enterprise features would be cool. I just hope they leave the drop dead simple installation and use alone. I just don't want them polluting something that works and doesn't need a crap of load of features that will never be used. Sort of swapping one set for another. But yeah, it will be interesting.
- Thom Allen
Thom, sorry for the confusion, but I doubt that Oracle can leave MySQL's business model completely stand-alone. They'll want to Oracle-ify it in some way for synergy bla bla bla, but hopefully they won't price MySQL out of the reach of some users.
- John E. Bredehoft
John, that is the cool part about MySQL, and the other product they now have, Java. These are staples in so many dev shops, so they are also acquiring a huge community. Oracle has never really been a community engaged company. They will have a lot of voices coming at them. I hope they are prepared.
- Thom Allen
Well, all I know is what I would do if I were in charge of the MySQL arm. Leave the drop dead installation and simple use exactly as they are, realize the sheer number of open source apps that rely on MySQL and start talking to those developers. Find out which of the Oracle features would be a best fit for MySQL (I'm going to guess it's more on the db admin side but that's just me)....
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- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
MYSQL will NOT become part of the Oracle's. MYSQL is open sourced code n Oracle does not have that as part of product strategy. I think we will see the raise of the middleware wars and cost of doing web apps will just go up !
- Peter Dawson
Thom, very interesting perspective on Oracle's level of community engagement. And you're probably right. I'm going to share this with a couple of people at Oracle that I know.
- John E. Bredehoft
Peter, Oracle doesn't CURRENTLY have that as part of their strategy. Personally, I think buying Sun would be the weirdest move in the world if they didn't intend to move INTO open source.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Thanks John, now I'm in big trouble :)
- Thom Allen
Tina its the same as google buying a company/technology , and not promoting it.. rememeber jotspot.. @times its easier to aquire the competetion, rather then outmarket / outperform the competetion !!
- Peter Dawson
Peter, what's your take on Oracle's acquisition of BEA (and of WebLogic)? Does that offer any parallels for what will happen with MySQL, or is there a 100% difference between the two situations?
- John E. Bredehoft
John, remember that BEA / WebLogis really reinforced the Tuxedo Transaction Processing Products .. tell me how will mySQL /Java reinforced middleware and cloud areas ?
- Peter Dawson
Oracle is driven by sales and sales alone. The only thing I can see happening with MySQL is that you'll require a rediculously priced service contract to get any kind of support. I see this as the end of MySQL as a potential enterprise DB.
- Kenton
"Oracle has never really been a community engaged company" - on what facts is this statement based? Oracle has one of the largest and most active dev communities in the world.
- Justin Kestelyn
++1 Kenton, thats the sad fact// give another 4yrs and mySQL and apps running with them will soon be kicked off the cloud.. it will become a state of the monopolies of the middle tier once again !
- Peter Dawson
Justin, I've never seen Oracle do anything to engage the community outside of its own customer base. Give us some examples and I'll stand corrected.
- Thom Allen
I'm not sure I understand the premise of your question; which "community" do you refer to? The MySQL community specifically? Java developers? Developers in general?
- Justin Kestelyn
Why would Oracle keep developing MySQL? They have an express product: Oracle XE. MySQL is the biggest threat to their cash cow database business. Cash cow? Just ask anyone who has had to pay Oracle licence fees.
- Peter Kelley
So MySQL goes to Oracle and Oracle just got more interesting in cloud computing and datacenter wars. But not sure what it means, I need sleep to contemplate it all.
- Robert Scoble
So Dave Winer tweeted this url (zdnet blog) http://tr.im/jdQg and there's not a single mention of MySQL in it... and in this NYTimes article there's only one mention at the end... Where's reporter asking Ellison what MySQL's future is with Oracle?
- Chris Heath
Wonder what this means for MySQL, Open Office and of course Java?
- KyleHase
from twhirl
Liking as in "whoa! want to know more".
- Neil Saunders
You know mysql has not been changed after the acqusition of Sun. But we are not sure what will be on the future.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
from fftogo
Quite bizarre... but I guess it makes sense. Oracle has gobbled up so many companies to round out it's software verticals and diagonals. Buying Sun adds a hardware layer beneath their offerings pitting them head-to-head against DB2 on AIX (as if it's ever been a real threat). Should be fascinating to watch this evolution...
- Ankush Narula
Then, there is just two big company about databases; MS and Oracle.
- Arda Çetin
But will there be any change in the way MySQL is acquired? Will Oracle try to impose an Oracle support contract structure? I confess that I completely missed the MySQL aspect of this myself initially, but that part will make this Oracle's most challenging acquisition.
- John E. Bredehoft
If Sun doesn't have MySQL. You think Oracle still buy Sun at this time?
- Arda Çetin
Arda, there's a benefit from Oracle having its own hardware division. It's always looking for ways to increase its stack, and since it's now in the OS business, why not hardware also? Not sure of Java's true worth to Oracle, other than bragging rights.
- John E. Bredehoft
I wonder if these Microsoft alike companies still exist in 10 years from now.
- Rutger Blom
He didn't look straight into the camera, however - as pointed out by Steve Garfield.
- l0ckergn0me
8. He knows that the real problem is that they hired idiots and are "reexamining" all hiring practices. THAT is the best way to make sure you get a good brand.
- Robert Scoble
9. He used personal language "it sickens me." Not marketing speak.
- Robert Scoble
Interesting mix of being apologetic and totally pissed at the same time. Overall thumbs up from me.
- Mike Doeff
10. He is working to "regain our trust."
- Robert Scoble
Is there anything else he could have done to answer this crisis?
- Robert Scoble
He didn't offer us a coupon to make us feel better. I didn't feel condescended to.
- Kevin Fox
Good lead, Robert. Glad to see discussion around the response.
- Valeria Maltoni
Now if he could just work on making the pizza not taste so bad.
- Dave Roth
now is the best time to go to Domino's in Conover. clean as a whistle.
- nesman89
I don't mind that he didn't look straight into the camera. That shows he isn't "slick" or "overcoached."
- Robert Scoble
Yes, it would have been better if he had looked into the camera, but given that a teleprompter is an expensive item, and rigging a two-way mirror with a magnified view of a printed script is a hassle... I think the minor shortfall can be forgiven. All seven of Robert's points remain absolutely valid.
- David Muir
Textbook is the best way to go. Swift and done. Now in time, people will forget, crave cheap, fast, and delivered food, and it's over.
- Mike Lewis
Very well handled. I agree with you, Robert, this will make its way into textbooks alongside Tylenol's response to the poisoning crisis three decades ago.
- Stephen Mack
so far this year, that's, what, rats in the peanuts, perchlorate in the babby formula, prescription drugs in the drinking water, snot in the pizza... what was safe to ingest again?
- Karim
Bravo, Dominos. Nicely done. Speak up or be spoken for.
- kevin j higgins
tehKenny: I don't think he was. I bet that he was looking at some notes, though. It didn't come across like he was reading. For someone not experienced with a teleprompter you can not use one and not come across like you're reading.
- Robert Scoble
Their response was appropriate and in a timely manner which is key now.
- Christi
Anyone who has ever used a teleprompter realizes how hard it is to use one and how hard it is to look natural doing it. I bet he had someone off to the side of the camera he was talking to who was holding notes up to remind him what to talk.
- Robert Scoble
I wasn't there, obviously, but watching the CEO look off-camera yet speak as if to a person made me think he was looking at a person to stay "real" and "personable" and not canned or offering a performance.
- Bloom Seed
Carmen: "W" had a LOT of media training and a team of people to tell him how to do it. I doubt this CEO has had much media training.
- Robert Scoble
rewatching it makes it clear that he's reading notes (his focus starts at top, moves down as recording proceeds). Still, though, comes across as a real person. Not everything needs professional actors, producers, makeup, sets...imperfect may be the new perfect, as far as communicating genuineness.
- Bloom Seed
Comes across as very heart-felt, and almost makes me want to order with them (I'm not sure we have them here in this town)! Shouldn't they have added something like "We'll now be installing cams in all our kitchens streaming direct to Ustream, making us the ONLY food delivery you can trust to not mess your food"? :)
- Philipp Lenssen
Philipp: well, that would certainly be cool but would be way beyond something they could deliver on in two days.
- Robert Scoble
I mean, I'm not a big fan of Dominos, but this helps them establish themselves as giving a crap. Good PR move.
- Mike Nayyar
Great video response straight from the company president. As for watching food getting prepared, the Papa John's locations that I've been to are open and you can basically see them making your pie. Not sure if Domino's has stores like that...
- Doug
solid performance-- came across naturally and believable, blend of professionalism and good ole fashion ass-kicking anger. It was smooth but not overly slick; no suit or tie and shot in store surrounding. Content was solid too, assuring customers everything that could be done was being done. One minor tweak: he doesn't appear to be looking directly at the camera.
- mark ivey
I wonder if they thought about making it a response to "that video" on youtube to get the eyeballs needed to make this count..
- Tom Masiero
Ari - it's more than "just pizza" - it's the livelihood of 125k employees. We are focused here on a textbook response, but this is also a clear demonstration of the power of leverage that SM holds: two idiots can do major damage to the brand, the company, and by ultimately to the employees. Hat's off to Mr. Doyle and his advisers.
- Bill Sanders
Rewatched it and yes he is reading it. Regardless, I think it was handled pretty appropriately.
- Jay Neff
good job. small nit: next time they need to move the teleprompter (or cue cards) either over or under the camera.
- MikeAmundsen
Video is good if Good Messenger (which Domino's guy IS) But also put the incident on my radar screen, which hitherto I was unaware of.
- JimmyJet
Wasn't aware of the incident but sure feel bad for the independent operator..
- MiaD
The woman in the Wendy's chili fraud case ended up sentenced to 9 years in prison and her husband (who bought the finger off a co-worker who lost it in an industrial accident) got 12 years. http://www.bluemaumau.org/wendys_...
- Kevin Fox
I wish that he was looking at the camera instead of a telepromter. Just sayin.
- Andrew Baron
Andrew: he's not looking at a teleprompter. I bet someone is holding a notepad with an outline on it for him.
- Robert Scoble
I haven't had Domino's in a long time. But, I'm happy to see that they put up this Video response to the malicious destruction of their Brand and business practices.
- rob friedman
good job. that was a classy way to 'avoid the noid.'
- grant fox
Hey Robert, can I use some of your reasons in a blog post in writing up about the Domino's issue?
- Kenneth
"Everyone else is doing it right." Yeah, right. [What are the odds of that?]
- Craig Brownell
I kept hoping he'd actually look into the camera.
- James Miao
I agree with James. I was hoping that he would look at the camera like he's talking to his customers. I get that he needs to make sure he says exactly what needs to to said, but the way he kept looking away from the camera made it seem a little "stiff".
- Kenneth
like when dirk diggler looked into the camera during his documentary. that was powerful stuff.
- grant fox
Kenneth: that's a mistake someone who isn't media trained makes. I actually don't mind that because it makes it less slick.
- Robert Scoble
My guess is that they're multiple cameras and he's looking at the expensive one
- Bwana ☠
Robert: Really? If corporate heads are on camera, they should NOT look at the camera especially if they're not being interviewed? It looks natural not to look at the camera? You're definitely right...I'm not media trained. :) Looks like he was reading off of a script and didn't notice a camera at him.
- Kenneth
Who was he talking to? The sound guy holding the microphone to the right of the camera?
- Diego Barros
Kenneth: the only time you should look at the camera is when you want to speak directly to the viewer. You are right that he should have been speaking directly into the camera. Knowing where to look is part of media training. A good PR team could have helped (IE, one that had worked a lot with video before) but I can't really blame him. I still have trouble figuring this out. When I was on the BBC it was very difficult to look into the camera (it was aplate on the wall).
- Robert Scoble
i just have to say, that by him not looking in the camera, or really doing any of this before it seems adds to his character that he's a regular guy, not some PR trained monkey doing a dance for us.
- rob friedman
I dunno, I think it's more important that the response seem unrehearsed. I'll bet he did it in one take.
- Ken Morley
Well done Robert: not a surprise to see this crew recognizes excellence when they see it. Dominos did virtually everything right on this aspect of its response. having seen a few crises, this example is among the best. blogged it here: http://www.mediadeluge.com/post...
- Christian Anderson
Just to let folks know: the teleprompters I am familiar with allow the newscaster or talking head to look directly at the camera AND read the script. The result is like a HUD (heads-up display) for those familiar with video games or jet fighters.
- David Muir
Right David, but there are all kinds of "teleprompters" some low tech and some higher tech. the point is he was reading. It was okay, he did a great job in one take. It would have been better if he hadnt read it and looked directly at the camera, but because everything else was so well done, the reading gets a pass
- Christian Anderson
Not a fan of their pies, but kudos to Dominoes for the forthright reply and apology for the miscreants who brought this upon them. Hope they rebound well from this.
- JA Castillo
Definitely a canned response but still heartfelt and sincere. Plus we learned its a federal felony to stuff cheese up your nose on camera. Imagine what happens at McDonalds on a daily basis - now that's frightening.
- Chris Sparno
Very lucky that they had a CEO that even was willing to talk for YouTube in the moment; let's not now criticize him for his media training, or none will ever have the guts to do it again.
- Francine Hardaway
Rich: This is deadly serious for him. He's right to take it seriously and I'm sure he genuinely does.
- Michael Krigsman
So the real question is, who feels comfortable enough to order Domino's this weekend?
- Chris Bartow
I do Chris, even more-so now than before. This weekend will be the cleanest in the franchise's history :)
- Bwana ☠
@Karim: "snot in the pizza... what was safe to ingest again?" Years ago, I ordered a pizza (not from Domino's) and was surprised to see a piece of broken glass in it — and this particular glass shard had part of the pizza company logo on it! When I phoned them about it, they replaced the pizza in record time; of course, they asked for the broken glass back, too, so I couldn't keep the evidence.
- Victor Panlilio
Victor *shudder* i think i would have just given up eating pizza after that :-D
- Karim
The comments on You Tube are negative I don't agree with them, what is your opinion abut them? (They say Doyle is not sincere)
- Maurizio Goetz
Rule #0 - Youtube comments have the value of a single molecule of feces
- Bwana ☠
His response was right on and pretty smart for doing it via a video. It's sad but we are at the mercy of people that prepare our food. :-( I kind of feel bad for the kids because what they did shows a complete lack of intelligence. It would be nice if they took responsible and apologized in some sort of public forum.
- John McCullough
@John McCullough "we are at the mercy of people that prepare our food" and people who pilot the planes we fly in, treat our municipal drinking water, etc. I daresay we only appreciate them when things go horribly wrong.
- Victor Panlilio
@Chris White "The founder of Domino's supports Right to LIfe and Operation Rescue, which IMO, is worse than putting farts on sandwiches" Really? Watch the video at http://www.abortionno.org/ and see if you can stomach the idea that we dispose of unwanted human beings so cavalierly.
- Victor Panlilio
Victor, your comment as well as John's above you, reminds me of that line in Fight Club: "We do your laundry, cook your food and serve you dinner. We guard you while you sleep. We drive your ambulances..."
- Aaron Kurtz
@Aaron - almost everything we take for granted in "civilized society" depends on the everyday goodwill (and conscientiousness) of anonymous others. I've always thought that we need to become more mindful of the benefits we daily receive from these enablers of our well-being. Count your blessings, etc.
- Victor Panlilio