interesting (and dense) article. i think the following quote goes a great distance to explain the ongoing healthcare debate in the US.... "The most affluent know well that their future wealth is affected by the social rules. So they generally use their influence on the design of the social rules toward defending and expanding their advantages. The richer those in the top decile are...
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- marko
cool. the new comprehensive and defacto stream me thinks :) ...this is what always confuses me about the twitter realtime search hypemachine...google always had the infra to do it better....it was just a matter of when they cut the agreement
- marko
Yes, faster is generally better than slower. Some apps benefit, most don't. I think the whole real-time discussion is pure marketing. What is real-time? .....it is like philosophically expounding on the meaning of 'time', 'now' or 'present'?
- marko
I bought an Asus Eee last month. Did a quick and cheap RAM upgrade. Have been pleasantly surprised by the performance and the device overall......no issues using it as my primary computer.....and only has crashed once.....which is amazing in itself :)
- marko
"The critical qualifier, which Facebook buries in the middle of its announcement, is that developers "can access the stream on behalf of a user and then filter, remix and display the stream back to that user however you choose." (Bold added for emphasis.) Translation: The new applications will be able to publish data across the Web -- but the audience for that remixed data will be the original Facebook user, not the public. That distinction is important because Facebook's move to allow off-site developers to mine user information has been seen as an attempt to replicate the way Twitter's messaging system developed. Twitter, an outward-facing platform in which all user information is public by default, has nourished a wide ecosystem of third-party applications that take advantage of the high volume of public data Twitter users generate."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
This is also why the new API can NOT be used to import the things you share on Facebook back into FriendFeed (the way you are able to import your Tweets into FriendFeed, for example).
- Paul Buchheit
Well that is clear as mud, ok is the bottom line then what done on Facebook stays on Facebook or with your Facebook followers?
- Kim Landwehr
Twitter = "all user information is public by default" .....this is not the FB model (currently).....your data is only available to defined friends....as a user i would not be happy if FB opened all my data to developers without asking......no?
- marko
Marko: They're not opening up all your data. Unless I'm missing something, they're coming at this from the viewer's perspective, not the person who posted the data. Using the new API, clients and services can access Facebook on my behalf, see what I would see as a user, and simply present that to me in a different format or context.
- Ken Sheppardson
Marko, the difference is that you are not permitted usage of your own data even.
- Paul Buchheit
from BuddyFeed
Meaning they're relying on EULAs and TOS to control what you can and can't do with the data once you see it, right Paul?
- Ken Sheppardson
Which doesn't seem much different than what it was before, no? Why I don't bother to originate anything useful in FB. Easier for stuff to end up there, since you still can't get it out.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
So we're going to see a glut of apps that can show *me* my own Facebook news feed. (I think Seesmic are first out of the blocks, but expecting Twitterdeck and co to follow soon.) Disappointed that I can't punt information back over the Facebook wall, but not too unhappy that it's all 'me me me'. Hope they don't do a Flickr though, and screw this up so that anybody can get at my stuff... (Flickr API had a problem a while back where it ignored privacy settings, and copyright details.)
- Andy Bold
I hear ya....but is this not the same in Flickr. Only public photos from my friends are shown in my RSS feed - not entire set I see in flickr itself. This is to prevent me from broadcasting all my friends 'private' photos across the web. Same paradigm principle with FB as I understand currently......it prevents me from pushing my friends content around.
- marko
What I think is different is the to-FB direction. Last time I was on FB my FriendFeed activity was off in a separate tab, not the main stream. If I understand correctly, the new stream API will at least make it possible for FriendFeed to add items together with media to the main feed. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
- Bruce Lewis
marko, I was thinking of this: http://shuttershocks.blogspot.com/2008... They also had a problem where anybody could download "Original" size images, even if your Privacy and Permissions settings disallowed that. Of course, the caveat is "if you don't want it out there, don't put it on the Internet - even if you mark it as 'private'" :-)
- Andy Bold
There are two separate issues here: access to your friend's information, and access to your own information. I'm only talking about the second issue, access to your own information. Twitter (and most other web services) permit you to access and use your own information in any way you wish. The FB TOS prohibits this because data retrieved via their API must not be stored, so effectively they own your data. This is a very significant difference.
- Paul Buchheit
And that issue, it was my understanding, is what was at the core of the FB user rebellion that got them to dial back the recent TOS change(s). Ownership of your own material should not have to be negotiated.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
So facebook has not really done anything other than allow me to see the same data i see online thru 3rd party apps? Big whoop.
- Kevin Whalen
Is there a logical reason for this? Why would I be able to use other people's information but not my own? Why would they prohibit me from entering data via the API? Am I missing something or is this pretty illogical?
- Andrew
ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ - The recent ToS changes that ended up with the public vote came about because the language used in the original ToS change could be interpreted in such a way that you gave up copyright on everything that you posted to Facebook. Every comment, picture, fan page - you would have given up the copyright. Only after the backlash did they understand the mistake they made. They changed that in the current version that was voted on.
- Andy Bold
My understanding of what Paul is saying is that, even though the data you post to Facebook is your copyright, you can't use the API to pull all that data back out to be used somewhere else. I.e., Friendfeed could not use the API to grab all your Facebook photos for posting to some hypothetical Friendfeed photo area that I just made up.
- Andy Bold
That's correct Andy. This is why we can import your Twitter status but not your Facebook status (we used to be able to get your Facebook status via a special RSS url, but they recently removed that too).
- Paul Buchheit
@Paul, what does the Facebook service on FF currently pull?
- Micah Wittman
Paul: How recently did they pull support for status updates via RSS? Up until a few weeks ago (when I unsubscribed) I was reading friends' status updates in Google Reader.
- Ken Sheppardson
Micah, we used to be able to pull in your FB status by having you copy and paste a url from their interface, but they recently removed access to that url. For people who already have it setup, it still works, but new people can't configure it because there is no way to discover the url for the RSS feed.
- Paul Buchheit
Ah, thanks (to you, Paul, and 'no thanks' to FB - wow). I'll have to stop advertising it for people I get to signup for FF on my service (http://bebepool.com ). FB keeps pulling a 'take my ball and go home.' They can fancy themselves street-wise purveyors of business stratagems, but to their user community it's just acting pathetic.
- Micah Wittman
You're right though - they don't make it easy to find... where's my Facebook "Here's a list of RSS feeds you might be interested in"? Ah, no, that would make it too easy for me to *not* visit their site... So they don't take these things away, just make them more difficult to find. Or maybe I'm just being paranoid and they simply allocated "RSS feed placement" to the UI design team ;-)
- Andy Bold
Andy, the trick you linked to won't work for newer Facebook users. Old users have the same key for all RSS feed, but new users have a per-feed key, and as far as I can tell, there is no way to discover the status feed key.
- Paul Buchheit
Ah - I did not know that. Interesting. Has my spidey-sense all tingly and wondering if they made that change around the time they started planning the "we're keeping all your toys" API.
- Andy Bold
Facebook is still a roach motel, but is it a better roach motel than it was before? The stream API doesn't help anybody get data out, but is it a better way of putting data in?
- Bruce Lewis
Did some testing yesterday with 2 (non-geekie) users .... They loved the simplicity of the 'new' Facebook (and Beta Friendfeed) ... ala Twitter. "Easy to grasp = Dive in" ... They also found almost everyone they looked for on Facebook which says a lot about the penetration of the brand and platform. Controls, filters won't help these people. They'll simply love the fact that they found new web toys (and old friends).
- Charlie Anzman
What about the content published to Facebook using the new API. Does FB impose any restrictions on ownership of content generated on the 3rd party sites.
- Vivek Puri
Yes, thanks for doing that Mark. That cleared a few things up, FB have been moving stuff around everywhere lately, wonder when it will all settle down. Ha.
- Chris Loft
"the meltdown amounts to a spectacular moment of global consciousness" ....this statement nailed it......so many people are re-assessing their fundamental values, beliefs and choices (almost without realizing it).....can hear it inter-woven into almost every conversation. We are in the germination stages of some kind of global renaissance period....I'm optimistic about the future :)
- marko
I know we are in times that are vastly changing, but I'm not so optimistic. There's only two ways it can go. Better or worse. If it gets worse, we're screwed. If it gets better, then maybe. I think the problem is many lives have been ruined in the past six months. Lots of societal changes are abound, that is for sure.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
We were supposed to have the 90's decade as one of self restaint but, then the tech boom happened. The 3 steps will work for now but, once an industry takes off again, we'll be back at it. The bust we now experience had a boom that just wasn't shared by as many citizens yet, effects us all in some way or another. We make miniscule changes and claim them huge. We have a solid foundation...
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- Monique
"« Shī Shì shí shī shǐ » Shíshì shīshì Shī Shì, shì shī, shì shí shí shī. Shì shíshí shì shì shì shī. Shí shí, shì shí shī shì shì. Shì shí, shì Shī Shì shì shì. Shì shì shì shí shī, shì shǐ shì, shǐ shì shí shī shìshì. Shì shí shì shí shī shī, shì shíshì. Shíshì shī, Shì shǐ shì shì shíshì. Shíshì shì, Shì shǐ shì shí shì shí shī. Shí shí, shǐ shí shì shí shī, shí shí shí shī shī. Shì shì shì shì."
- Simon
from Bookmarklet
Translation: "« Lion-Eating Poet in the Stone Den » In a stone den was a poet Shi, who was a lion addict, and had resolved to eat ten. He often went to the market to look for lions. At ten o’clock, ten lions had just arrived at the market. At that time, Shi had just arrived at the market. He saw those ten lions, and using his trusty arrows, caused the ten lions to die. He brought the...
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- Simon
I think they do not have to but on the other hand if you have that kind of volume of page views, I guess it comes pretty natural to stick advertising in there. Still I believe there is more value in off site.
- Davide D'Incau
Finland = "creative madness"?.....not sure if it will stick but finland should definitely drop the insecurity and celebrate the eccentricity.....oddness is the new overly-scandanavian-siisti
- marko
Anyone know why carnivores like to eat hands and feet? ....its definitely not my favorite part of Dim Sum
- marko
The fossil record is distinctly lacking in foot and hand bones, according to lead author Matthew Bennett of Bournemouth University, UK. "The reason is that carnivores like to eat hands and feet," Professor Bennett told BBC News.
- marko
Marko is wondering....anything more embarassing than your mom joining FB and writing on your wall about the "Cabbage Patch" dolls you had when you were a kid?
one should select carefully his "friends" on facebook ;-)
- Davide D'Incau
I've always thought "moms" have the highest tech barrier for getting onto social networking.....but when they do....they will be the most engaged users. I'm interested to see how this evolves :)
- marko
All depends what he's up for, but Nolla (in Kamppi) sems to be my favorite watering hole lately. And one can no never go wrong with Corona.....
- marko
hmmm.....my consumption habots have changed dratically in the past couple years....maybe age :) but deeper than that it think.....do tell more about the book.....
- marko
I tried Google Calendar with my wife when we first got married....more :/ than :)A rookie mistake, I guess.....still looking for a solution too.....
- marko
I know some people forward their bookings (especially when they are out of normal working ours) to their partner's calendar but it does not work for me.
- Davide D'Incau
the bar on the top is great. but lots of better restaurants nearby.
- marko
agree with marko, how did you end up their in the first place?
- udo
well, I was told to go there. It was organized by our assistant. I think they looked up eat.fi and read the recommendations. That is what you get when you go to the people and ask them...
- Davide D'Incau
from IM
much better to ask friends when it's about restaurants. if you have that choice
- Davide D'Incau
from IM
at least if it is about sushi I know you have tried all options in helsinki :D
- Davide D'Incau
from IM
we will find a nice place from any cousin for you...! we have been checking restaurants in the city now for 1 1/2 years. still fun, unfortunately the real surprises get fewer and fewer...
- udo
so what's your choice of restaurant in Helsinki? I've been a fan of Sipuli for a while. That is when you can't get a seat from Chez Dominique :)
- Kristian
well I at least cannot tell. Have small kids. No life. ;-)
- Davide D'Incau
from IM