Walt Crawford

I'd entirely forgotten it, frankly--the virtues of printing & saving leadsheets. - Walt Crawford

also, is this the place where I say that I'm pretty meh about Google Wave, and if I were to make a bet, I'd bet on it going the way of Orkut? - D0r0th34

As good a place as any. So far, I haven't even marked any Google Wave stuff in Delicious for possible discussion in C&I (but that may be me). - Walt Crawford

also re: Bivens-Tatum (have you got a link to that? I can't remember what the heck I said) -- if we can't fulfill our mission because the purchasing game is totally rigged against us, are we really failures? or are we only failures if we fail to try to change the game? (y'all know my completely biased answer, of course ;) ) - D0r0th34

Katy: I guess I'm really asking "Would you prefer..." rather than whether it's ethical or legal. - Walt Crawford

I assume that they could be used - but I would also like to be aware the the comment might be used (particularly if attribution is going to be given) with the option to request that it not be - but even then knowing that I can say no, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be used anyway. - ÉllbeeÇee

I'd like to know, but I also know that I can't control whether someone uses it or not so I don't fret about it. Sure, I prefer it, but I don't necessarily expect it. - Katy S

Some people have to approve your following them, and I find it less appropriate to use comments from those individuals elsewhere without explicit permission. - Rachel Walden

I think I would just really like notification that you had used them. I could then create my own ff post or blog detailing how I felt about you using them ;) - JSNFLMNG

Like Rachel says, people with locked accounts have an expectation of privacy and you should probably ask. People with open accounts (like me) should expect their contributions to be as public as a blog or Twitter. That being said, people here do seem less guarded than those other platforms so you might want to ask before quoting something particularly outrageous. - John Dupuis

I have used group FriendFeed posts and group tweets for the groups I'm admin for on a poster without asking, I see it the same as web archives for a listserv. I'd hesitate drilling down to the personal FriendFeed account level though. - Nikki D.

I operate under the concept that if I comment on something you've posted, you are entitled to use my comments in future discussions if you choose. However, I wouldn't mind at least being notified that you are going to do so. - Jill is sugar free

I feel like the context matters, and quoting the comments elsewhere strips away that context and so it's good to ask permission. I recently asked someone if it was okay to quote her blog comment in a more formal newsletter piece. I probably wouldn't quote something someone says in an unguarded moment at the bar while presenting them with a professional award, either, even though the first took place at least semi-publicly. - Rachel Walden

I'm sorry. Maybe I'm being insensitive or clueless here, but I'm not sure I get why someone would expect notification before a comment they made in a public space is quoted or discussed elsewhere. If I publish a book or an article, do I expect that someone asks permission before they quote a piece of what I said? Is it a matter of proportion? If someone quotes a paragraph from my... more... - Stephen Francoeur

As above, ask first for private feeds but public feeds are public property. The usual courtesies apply -- ask before quoting someone saying "Powerful Person X is a douchebag", etc -- but, as always, one should probably rely more upon discretion than upon those courtesies for protection from oneself... - Bill Hooker

Stephen, I don't necessarily expect it, but I think asking is a polite and reasonable thing to do. (and I agree with what Bill says above) - Rachel Walden

(I say that as one whose public comments have, on more than one occasion, come back to bite me on the ass.) - Bill Hooker

I'd agree that it is polite, but part of me wonders what happens if the person says no. Where does fair use fit in to this discussion. Or does it (seriously, I don't know if it does). - Stephen Francoeur

I suppose Bill's points about discretion being part of the equation make some sense. If someone said something outrageous or provocative, I can see some reason why you might want to contact the author of those comments...maybe. (*mulling it all over in my head now*) - Stephen Francoeur

Were Michael Gorman to post a snarky comment here in FriendFeed, and I want to mention it in a blog post or a tweet or a new FriendFeed thread, should I contact him first? - Stephen Francoeur

I'm with Bill on this one. If it's a public discussion, it's pretty much up for grabs. - Mary Beth Sancomb Moran

I'm disappearing to work on But Still They Blog, but will check back later, and so far find this VERY interesting...particularly since, frankly, for Cites & Insights "ask before you quote"/"notify if you use" would have the effect of shutting down the publication; the rewards, particularly in 2010, wouldn't justify all the extra effort. So, well, I'll keep seeing what folks have to say. (I'd like to think I do use *some* discretion, except when someone's gone to exceptional efforts to be a jerk.) - Walt Crawford

It's a public forum, expect to be quoted, don't expect to be notified. - Jeff Scott

It is difficult to remember who has a public feed versus a private feeds. For example, you probably subscribe to Dorothea, and she has a private feed (I think). If you can see her comments and quote her, or point to her discussion thread, it may be difficult for other people to see her comment, since the whole world won't be able to see the context. - Joe....

yes, I do have a private feed, because I've already gotten myself in work trouble over social media and am not interested in having that happen again. - D0r0th34

Hmm. But there's a difference between Dorothea's actual posts (which are private) and her comments on other posts (which, I would assume, are as public as those people's feeds are, right?) [In other words: did those of you who don't subscribe to Dorothea see her comment immediately preceding this one?] - Walt Crawford

Yes, Walt, there is that difference, and I try to remain aware of it. - D0r0th34

I think you do. I think it's up to me (and others who may use material) to pay more attention. Actually, given the tenor of the discussion so far, I'm inclined to think I *should* normally treat FF discussions as ephemera, not using them in C&I unless they've been explicitly included in blog discussions. Which was really the guidance I was looking for. "Normally" is a key word here. - Walt Crawford

Hmm. For curiosity-satisfying purposes, I just blocked a couple of people who said "public feed, up for grabs," and I no longer see their comments in this thread, so not sure about how that works, exactly. Walt, yours is public, isn't it? - Rachel Walden

Yes, my feed is public. - Walt Crawford

Blocking, which I've only done once or twice, is the nukular option: You don't see ANYTHING from that person. (Yes, I know how to spell nuclear. Even how to pronounce it.) - Walt Crawford

Ah, okay. Thought maybe I would still see them in discussion, just not their own posts. - Rachel Walden

See also: http://ff.im/3m7q1 - Steve is older than ever

Hm. I'd like the comment linked to the broader discussion so nothing's taken too far out of context, but I figure if I put it on the 'net, folks will use it as they want (though I do like to be notified). - The Archangel ωαřмaiden

Good point from TAw -- linking should be de rigueur when quoting from an online source: it provides original context for the quote and credibility for the person doing the quoting. I might *appreciate* notification after or a request before being quoted from a public comment, but I certainly don't *expect* it. The only objection I might have is to being taken out of context, which linking to the source would render moot. - Bill Hooker

I think the tricky part is getting the attribution correct, since some people like to use aliases that fit their current mood. I do think that text here is like microblogging, and tweets do get quoted around without explicit permission. - Jill Hurst-Wahl

For myself, anything I post <strike>publicly</strike> <strike>publically</strike> in public is done with the awareness that it might be quoted, spread far and wide, and/or get tattle-taled to a manager. If I don't want it spreading then I don't say it. --Linking is preferred to provide context. For attribution, I'd go with the username or, if I had time to investigate, look for a preferred name on something more formal like a blog. - Deborah Fitchett

Great stuff. What I'm most likely to do in the future--recognizing that C&I is pretty much unique in the library pantheon of formal, informal & semi-formal pubs--is to feel free to discuss the nature, tenor and opinions within a FF thread, if it's relevant to something else I'm discussing (e.g., comments on a blog post where the post also generated an FF thread), but--generally--not direct quotations. - Walt Crawford

*shrug* been happening for a while, says someone who was on a panel discussion at last year's MW that didn't have thing one to do with organization business. - D0r0th34

Midwinter is called the Midwinter Meeting (not conference) because the primary function, other than exhibits, is the thousands of business meetings: Only the President gets to have a "Program" identified as such. Theoretically, that means that librarians interested in self-education only need to come to Annual. I think the latter's still true, but there's no doubt that pseudo-programs have grown in Midwinter... - Walt Crawford

I, too, plan to mention the LAtS issue... if, you know, I ever blog anything again. What John said, plus, I really appreciated the kind comments on, and accurate summaries of, my efforts to bring data to bear on the questions. - Bill Hooker

Thanks. I'll admit, this issue felt a lot better to me when I was reading it through for a final edit than it did as I was putting it together. Maybe my subconscious was putting together a big picture that I didn't consciously see. - Walt Crawford

I often don't know what I think until I read what I wrote. - Bill Hooker