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Question about CC declaration and reader-experience -- I originally placed the CC declaration in footer, but realized reader would have to scroll to see it...
Mike Chelen, Cameron Neylon, Itachi and OpenSci Info liked this
Is it better to have it part of side nav bar, then? Is there an etiquette for this? Thanks for help!
- Mickey Schafer
Well, WordPress templates normally put it in the footer--so as a reader (and editor who frequently reuses posts with CC permissions), I'm used to looking there first. But that's just me.
- Walt Crawford
Thanks, Walt! My current compromise is to have it both ways -- the CC image is part of 3 images stacked in the left side bar in a section headed "Attribution Info" (includes univ, academic unit, then CC) -- the sentence declaration is in the footer.
- Mickey Schafer
Okay, another question -- does the CC declaration on the web page cover everything -- text, html, CSS -- or does each component have to be covered separately? My guess is that someone might want to use the text or web page wholesale...can't imagine that the CSS would be that big of a deal, but I'm curious...
- Mickey Schafer
think it is taken to mean original content, to which the author would hold the copyright. most websites and blogs use platforms like wordpress whose code is released under its own license, while a selected license would apply to user-generated material
- Mike Chelen
IANAL but if someone took any part of your site and used it reasonably under the terms of the licence I think you'd struggle to make any claim against them unless you were very clear and very explicit about where it didn't apply. I try to make mine as prominent as possible to people can find it easily.
- Cameron Neylon
What Cam said -- I put my CCZero with my pic, email, RSS and "about" links at the top (right), which is where I'm used to looking for that kind of info on a blog. I also try to make sure all of that is visible without scrolling when the page first loads.
- Bill Hooker
$75 Future Computer: http://www.forbes.com/2009...
David Rothman (☤) liked this
It amazes me that Negroponte can still get "news" coverage for his promises and claims--heck, I think even Steve Jobs would have trouble selling this idea. I find it amusing that Forbes is taking it seriously and, for a change, at least one Wired.com writer is treating it realistically.
- Walt Crawford
Just finished assembling an Office Depot wood 2-drawer file cabinet (17 furniture pieces, 92 other parts)--with no blood shed and minimal cursing. Blew the whole afternoon, but the results are excellent. (So much for DIY for this year...)
Mark "DerBingle" J, Mickey Schafer, Joe Silence is not Santa and 2 other people liked this
I love doing this kind of stuff - Ikea, Staples, Home Depot - bring it on. Yay Walt.
- Candy Schwartz
from twhirl
Ah. Whereas I'm not a DIY person--at all. But we needed a file cabinet, the flatpack fit in the Civic, it was offered at a good price, and it was pretty clearly higher quality than our old file cabinet (which did involve blood and cursing) or OfficeMax' more-expensive "name brand" cabinet. So, clumsy oaf though I am, I saw it through...
- Walt Crawford
I enjoy DIY, but I have a lot more trouble crouching low and/or sitting on the floor to do this sort of thing now. The spirit is willing but the flesh is really inflexible and also often in the way, so to speak
- Mark "DerBingle" J
"I have a problem with faggots." - http://rhysworks.blogspot.com/2009...
I cringe when i hear people use the word "gay" as an insult, too. And when you query them they insist no they're not being homophobic. WHAT??!
- 趙美鈴 (Con Wiebrands)
Con: Assume that they don't know what "homophobic" means (it does have four syllables!). After all, if they're busy insulting homosexuals, they're either pretty dumb or pretty ignorant...or just pretty hateful.
- Walt Crawford
Just unsubscribed from another few dozen feeds in Google Reader. Feels goooooooood.
I keep holding on to a lot of corpses hoping they'll post again.
- Nikki D.
Like my blog? :)
- David Rothman (☤)
Smartass. Yours is cutting edge compared to many in there last updated in '08.
- Nikki D.
wait, rothman is a blogger? ;)
- a creature was stirring
I unsubscribed without unsubscribing... I don't know the last time I looked at my Google Reader.
- Joe
Alright, Rothman, was that you putting down your own (lack of) blogging on LISNews? Hey, you only decreased 92% from March-May 2007 to March-May 2009; it's not like a *serious* lack of posting...
- Walt Crawford
Walt- Yes, that was me. Thanks for providing the data to back up my self-criticism.
- David Rothman (☤)
The print newspaper is dying, if not dead. Evidence? The Washington Times will soon be a weekday-only paper, costing $1. Just a few years ago, it cost $1 on Sundays, 25 cents M-Sa. Four times the cost, with just a fraction of the content (not to mention more political bias).
The Washington Post is currently 75 cents on weekdays, and they still have a pulse.
- Julian
That's not evidence. The Times was a heavily-subsidized organ of the Moonies, and the kids don't want to keep subsidizing it. The print newspaper industry is changing and shrinking; I don't believe it's dying. (Ah, Julian, but you know I hate "x is dying/x is dead" stuff.) Now, if you want to say "two-daily-newspaper towns are disappearing," you're right on the money.
- Walt Crawford
the Moonies are dying? No? Darn.
- D0r0th34
For those making end of year donations, may I suggest http://www.eff.org/ and http://creativecommons.org/?
Jennifer Dittrich, ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift, Itachi and 3 other people liked this
done. EFF got some cashola this year as CC got some last year.
- jambina
yay! It's fun picking out charities at the end of the year.
- Kårín Dalzĭel
I would also recommend the Toronto Women's Bookstore http://www.womensbookstore.com/
- DJF
FSF.org too.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Thanks! Keep the suggestions coming!
- Kårín Dalzĭel
No problem: epic.org, freepress.net, and papersplease.org
- Michael R. Bernstein
I'll add: planned parenthood and the MS society. :)
- Kårín Dalzĭel
don't forget your local folks. I recommend the local food pantry, and for those of us in cold climates, the local utility's keep-the-lights-and-heat-on charity.
- D0r0th34
Dorothea, is that the same as a 'food bank'?
- Michael R. Bernstein
Oh, yes - local homeless shelters also
- Kårín Dalzĭel
What about wikipedia -- would one consider that to be a "charity"?
- Joe
Michael, yes, it is; names vary, but the idea's the same. :) Joe, wikipedia seems like a good option to me.
- D0r0th34
Adding to Dorothea's note: The national organization is Feeding America, formerly Second Harvest; the local affiliates go by a range of names (frequently including "food bank")--and there are probably some that aren't affiliated with the national. They do great work and represent incredible value for donated funds.
- Walt Crawford
Note that food banks typically also take donations of food, not just money.
- Michael R. Bernstein
The nice thing about giving money to the food bank is that the bank can buy to fill in gaps, and they buy wholesale, so they can buy more than you can for the same amount.
- DJF
I'll add a couple more suggestions (altho' nobody's more cost-effective than food banks): Reading for the Blind & Dyslexic (RFBD) and the Nature Conservancy or your local chapter thereof.
- Walt Crawford
Best thread ever! :)
- Kårín Dalzĭel
I love kiva.org, though it's microlending rather than donating so I suspect not tax-deductable. OTOH when you get your money back you can loan it again to someone else.
- Deborah Fitchett
Don Maclean came on on my way home, and it sounded an awful lot like he actually says "I was a lonely teenage broncin' buck" and not "I was a lonely teenage drunken fuck" as I've been singing for years. uh oh.
Alix Whitmire, Jimminy Fuller, Steven Perez and 7 other people liked this
Tomato, tomahto. (I like your version better.)
- Jennifer Dittrich
with a pink carnation and a pick up truck?
- Mike Nencetti
Mike - yup. Hmph. I shoulda known that wouldve never made it past the censors...
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
When I first heard that song in grade school, I had no idea what it meant, or who Buddy Holly was.
- Mike Nencetti
Sigh. i thought it was about Elvis. (Is admittedly daft when it comes to pop culture)
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
lol
- VAL D. Zone
Well, The song is dedicated to Buddy, but it's full of pop culture references. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... Elvis is in there. :)
- Mike Nencetti
I dont know how ive never gotten around to reading that. That's fascinating. Im looking fwd to hearing the song again and identifying all those references.
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
ROFL to your version of the lyrics!
- Laura B.
To each, his or her own.
- Mark "DerBingle" J
My favorite misheard lyric of my own is the song about "my one-eyed girl."
- Betsy (bentley) Vera
Ah, Mondegreens (that's what such mishearings are called)--used to be a staple topic for Jon Carroll, the SF Chron's best columnist.
- Walt Crawford
My favorite is "You might as well face it, you're a dick with a glove..." (re: Robert Palmer's "You might as well face it, you're addicted to love" of course.)
- Mark "DerBingle" J
@libraryfuture I'm hanging on to my landline. In NYC, where I live, landlines were only things that worked on 9/11 & the blackout in 2003.
*something I hadn't thought of* - I still have a landline, but had no good reason for it
- Rachel Walden
Where I live (rural Wyoming), I have to have a landline in order to get internet, because DSL is all that's available.
- laura x
yup. Landlines are critical infrastructure. and they're low-tech enough even today that they pretty much ALWAYS work, as long as your central office wasn't the thing that was hit.
- DJF
That's why I keep my landline. I grew up in earthquake country.
- Betsy (bentley) Vera
Yep. Do note, though: You need at least one "plain" phone on the landline--one that doesn't use its own AC (i.e., one with no answering-machine function or caller-ID screen). (DJF: Seems to me most central offices have very substantial battery backup...but I could be wrong.)
- Walt Crawford
Walt, the central offices certainly do seem to have backup power. In the 2003 blackout, our boring hardwired phone worked for at least a couple of days after the power failed. But if the central office burns down, your phone won't work regardless.
- DJF
Walt: I've got a 20+ year old phone that requires no AC and has survived more falls (and attacks from toddlers) than you can imagine.
- Stephen Francoeur
Well, yes, if the central office burns down, you're in trouble... Stephen: The handset at my desk is probably almost as old; we picked it up at Radio Shack for next to nothing (Sprint-branded, for some reason), and it's a great secondary handset. With better call quality than our wireless/digital primary handset.
- Walt Crawford
Walt: I do. My sister gave me an old-fashioned, not-electronic, rotary-dial phone years ago. I seldom use it, because it's inconveniently placed (stuff tends to stack up in front of it), but it's ready in case of emergencies. I still have my grandmother's 1960's phone boxed up somewhere, too.
- Betsy (bentley) Vera
In the early '90s, I bought a Western Electric model 500 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) at a local surplus store. It's a great phone, and had the best sound quality. It's also great for causing blunt force trauma, when that's called for.
- DJF
Will you still love me if I admit that I'm not really interested in seeing Avatar?
Jenthemum liked this
Yes, but now you're not invited to see it with my daughter & me on my birthday. ;)
- josh neff, geek at large
yep...cause i can't say that I really wanna go see it either
- Sir Shuping
Yep, same reason as Shuping. Want to see Princess and the Frog.
- D0r0th34
Yes.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
yep, no interest here either
- holly
Sure. I mean love is a strong word. But. Have affection. I can do that. Does that work for you? We can still be friends.
- Jeremy (quasimodo)
What shall we see instead?
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
I was getting ready to post "Does not give one whit about Avatar." as my FB status. I generally avoid movies that I'd need to take Dramamine for.
- Rochelle Rochelle
I want to see Princess and the Frog! And I saw Avatar; it was ok. The ten year old in me really enjoyed it although it's a bit predictable. *shrug*
- Derrick
I went to P&F---liked it very much and would go again
- Abigail
I'm gonna take Mr. 7 on Christmas Eve day, I think. It looks like it could be fun. Also looks like it could be deeply annoying. Anyway, yeah, we are still good.
- s t e v e
Yes..
- suzanne
I feel the same Abigail and I still love ya
- VAL D. Zone
Yes. No particular desire to see it here either.
- Walt Crawford
i won't be seeing it either.
- Joe Silence is not Santa
Is it a librarian thing not to be interested? I'm not at all, either.
- Aurora
i'm not a librarian, but i have alot of librarian friends and both my parents used to teach English at KU in the 60s (my dad worked for the university library there before that).
- Joe Silence is not Santa
I do still love you, but if this relationship is gonna work, we'll need counseling.
- Eric Sizemore
I'm going to need decent headphones for the upcoming plane trip--recommendations under $50?
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i have these (a gift from the lovely @kendrak) and I LOVE THEM - http://www.amazon.com/Panason...
- jambina
If you don't need noise cancellation, the Sennheiser PX100 folding headphones (on-ear, not in-ear) have very good sound and pack nicely. (That's what I use.) If you need noise reduction, something in-ear would probably be better; sorry, but no experience. (The Sennheisers should cost $49.50.)
- Walt Crawford
Just asked a friend (headphone expert who spends more than I could dream spending on his headphones) about this last week. He recommended Sennheiser 300x for affordable, quality headphones.
- J450N
My son just gave me Sony noise cancelling headphones as a gift - under $40! A few reviews rate them as the best noise cancelling headphones under $50. http://bit.ly/69wpXF I'm sure they're not as good as the Bose, but I think they are pretty good.
- steven bell
i think i got my sharper image bose knock-offs for between $35 and $50. i really, really like them and don't know what i'd do without a set of noise cancellers.
- Katie
Katie--the ones I'm seeing on SI require a battery?? Do yours?
- Abigail
Thanks for the recommends coming in so far--I'm happy to make a decent investment..just not bank breaking considering I'm known to lose the occasional headset--hence not Bose...
- Abigail
Yep, 1AAA for the noise-cancelling effect. You can get away without one if you don't want to use the nc.
- Katie
I was just doing a bit of research on over the ear portable headphones. The Sennheiser PX100/PX200 are good. I ended up ordering the Koss PortaPro. The Koss KSC75 gets a lot of good reviews too.
- Rodfather
I like Porta Pros, but for an airplane ride, if you can tolerate in-ear earphones, I think those are way better than active noise cancellation, not that I've tried active cancellers. Senn cx300s or something else good. (I don't like to recommend Sony because of the "Sony timer"; specifically the Fontopia earphones I had where the headphone cable insulation was apparently made to dissolve on contact with water.)
- Andrew C
I'll show you mine if you show me yours. That being your library website statistics, of course: http://docs.google.com/present...
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The first sentence made me think that this was going to be the best post ever.
- Andy Woodworth
Once again, I disappoint ;)
- mita
Really interesting stats! We are noticing similar trends at my library. We just started filtering our Analytics stats by IP range - we can see use within the library, outside the library but still on campus, and off campus. It's actually a very small percentage of use from within the library, yet that's where we focus most of our services.
- Jen
you gonna publish that, Jen? YOU SHOULD.
- D0r0th34
Hmmm. Never considered that, but might be an interesting angle. Thanks!
- Jen
Mita, that's a great presentation.
- D0r0th34
I agree with Dorothea on this: It's an excellent discussion, and I believe it's worth publishing.
- Walt Crawford
Jen, how are you doing the filtering? I'm still learning Analytics and I can only see methods to include or exclude IP traffic at the collection level and I don't want to exclude any data at this stage. Curious, I just checked that about 65% of our web traffic comes from the University's 'network' (as an Internet service provider)
- mita
We tried to split out on- vs off-campus and in- vs out of- library and weren't successful, so I'd be interested in hearing how you did it.
- DJF
Me too! We filter out our library staff/faculty IP addresses, but that's because it's the number ACRL wants. On another note: This is an _AWESOME_ presentation, full of goodness.
- Jason Griffey
do I sense a coauthorship in the process of happening? :) Jason, meet Jen; she is awesome. Jen, meet Jason; he is awesome.
- D0r0th34
great set of stats and analysis! Wondering re: subject guides (slides 30-32): what is difference b/t subject pgs & research guides?Isn't subject page itself a sort of guide and might be why users aren't then clicking on the formally labeled research guides? Plus, users scan pages left to right so links on right will almost always get less traffic.
- Dana Longley
At one point, a 'resource resource page' was just indexes while a 'subject research guide' was a traditional library guide, with lists of encyclopedias, indexes, websites, etc. But now many 'resource' pages have evolved to contain links to ebooks, dictionaries, course presentations etc. IMHO, they are combining into one thing. Location and language are admittedly important. I'm planning to do a stats round-up on our subject pages/guides early next year.
- mita
Like Jason, we started filtering stats after seeing that ACRL stats asked for it. Because of the way our Analytics are set-up, we had to have our campus IT guy write the filters, but they are just by IP. I'm on the road for the next few weeks, but will definitely want to talk to you all more about this.
- Jen
NTS pull mine down and show mita (and everyone else, too)
- awd
awesome!
- Stephanie_Thankful
Who (besides me) has to work any next week?
Pete, Yolanda, Josh Haley and 15 other people liked this
I work on Monday and then will be off until Jan 4
- Alan Simpson
I work all the way through Christmas Eve, baby; I'll take off at noon and then return in the new year, after I return from the Rose Bowl
- RAPatton
I work Monday, then I'm out until the 29th.
- ÉllbeeÇee
I'm working monday through thursday dayshifts.
- Beau Liening
My schedule is like Holly's. Our library in-service day is on Tuesday. For the most part, I'll be "working" Tuesday and Wednesday. On Monday the archives is open, and I know at least one person is probably coming.
- Laura B.
Not working until further notice.
- Morton Fox
I work Mon-Wed
- jamar78
I am working Mon, Wed and Thursday. Had a personal day I needed to take before the end of the year.
- aden
I'm "working from home" *cough* on Monday... off until the 4th after that.
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
Working Monday if the snow clears, otherwise a personal day. Working Tues-Weds. Unpaid furlough day Thurs, off Christmas. Furlough day New Years Eve. yay.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
I'm sure the PO will be calling.
- Jim Is Not Smart
Assuming the snow goes away before Wednesday, I'm supposed to work Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, but then I'm off until Jan 4. My wife is supposed to work Monday, Tuesday and half a day Wednesday.
- Curtiss Grymala
from iPhone
Mr has to work mon & tues. He'll drive home tues night.
- R1CC1
I work every work day except Christmas.
- Derek Coward
Me. But just a half-day on monday.
- Jeremy (quasimodo)
Three days and then off Thurs. & Fri. Off all of the week leading to new years...
- JA Castillo
I'm working everyday except Friday. I am "on call" on Thursday, but probably won't have to come in.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Everyday but Friday
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
By working tomorrow (Sunday) I managed to get the 24th-27th off.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Next week, and the week after. Three days each week. Short days, though (using up use-it-or-lose-it leave).
- Julian
Working MTW this week, company holiday Thursday & Friday, vacation Monday (still on call) and then back at it until 1/1.
- Alex Hellstrom
from iPod
Moms never stop working :-)
- Jenthemum
I'm working five hours each day Monday to Thursday, Christmas Day off and then four hours on Boxing Day (wooo double time and a half)
- Bryce Roney
Working full days Mon/Tues, a half day Wed, off for Christmas Eve and Christmas, as well as the weekend. Then it's the same for the following week (though I was originally going to have it off), with days off on New Years Eve and New Years Day.
- Penguin It's Cold Outside
Full days Monday and Wednesday, half-day on Thursday.
- Bren -- Loves Chrimmuh
I work Mon/Tues, but took Wednesday and Thursday off.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Mon-Wed
- Mistletoe Glen
Not me, from Christmas Day to the week after New Year's Day I'm off. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I'm working every day except the 25th
- David Rothman (☤)
When yer a part-timer or self-employed, the work never stops. :)
- rowlikeagirl
Mon & Tues next week, then 12/30 and 31.
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
Thank G-D, I will be working on Mon-Tue-Wed then off for a long weekend.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
everyday :(
- ★ Soner Gönül
I am all done until next year with my day job. :-)
- Alternating Reality Books
I work three days next week.
- Santa CW™
RAP, just saw that you're going to the Rose Bowl! Very cool!
- Laura B.
I'm working Monday and Tuesday
- Abigail
I work M-Th...
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Me :(
- Mahmood Padura
I do and am grateful....at least, I hope I get to work. ;)
- Melanie Reed
i do! monday through wednesday. it's ok, though, as i expect it to be very quiet, so i should be able to finish a project i've been dragging my feet on.
- Katie
At work! And not a single customer for the first hour. :( Gonna be a long day.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Mon-Wed next week and the week after.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Me. M-Th.
- Kamilah Gill
Monday-Thursday, most likely. Maybe Monday-Wednesday. Both weeks.
- Walt Crawford
Me, Mon to Wed
- Mo Kargas
I am working from home. Kids have no school all week due to the snow
- Shevonne
Work?! Shiiiiiiiiit.
- nakachi
Me! Yay!
- Lo
Nakachi, I like the way you think. :)
- Laura B.
Me, as you know :)
- Pete
Tossing out for feedback: Google Alerts points me to a post (on a blog I don't normally read) where someone's talking about doing something "if Walt Crawford could be talked into it." (This also, apparently, was said in a podcast.) The post is dated 12/7/09. It is now 12/20/09. No attempt whatsoever has been made to contact me about "it."
So the question is, do I simply ignore this post entirely? (I don't even understand what the "it" proposed is well enough to have an opinion at this point.)
- Walt Crawford
I'd ignore it since you don't know enough about the "it." If they really want you they'll find you I bet
- Sir Shuping
what harm in leaving a comment?
- D0r0th34
Sir: They absolutely know how to find me. Dorothea: I'm a little put off by something involving "talking me into" doing something, announced publicly, with no effort to contact me before or after saying that. (Now disappearing for an hour or two, will check back later.)
- Walt Crawford
well, okay, so they weren't politic about it; does that mean you're going to write off an opportunity?
- D0r0th34
Given who posted it, I would say NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS. But that's me.
- s t e v e
ah. I have no idea who posted it. :) but I trust Steve's instincts.
- D0r0th34
Steve: That's a VERY useful comment. Particularly since it resonates with a little interior voice... Thanks! (Dorothea: If it had seemed like a clear-cut opportunity, I would have jumped on it. It didn't have that feel...)
- Walt Crawford
The next person who writes that "[Fill in the Blank] is Dead" can bite me.
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Web 2.0 is dead.
- ♫Geek in the 410♫
"[Fill in the Blank] is Dead" is Dead.
- DJF
Biting David Rothman is dead.
- josh neff, geek at large
General Franco is [still] dead.
- ♫Geek in the 410♫
And good riddance, Maurice!
- David Rothman (☤)
Oooh. "Oral Roberts is dead." Yay!
- David Rothman (☤)
[Derrida]
- Joe
Ah, David, you'll really need to read the current (and final) disContent column (in the December EContent), "Is Dead Isn't Dead--But Maybe It Should Be."
- Walt Crawford
"Is Dead Isn't Dead--But Maybe It Should Be." is dead.
- Joe
I AM DEAD. *chomps Rothman*
- D0r0th34
Sartre is Dead.
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
Abe Vigoda is not dead (http://www.abevigoda.com/ffb...)
- Andy Woodworth
Paul is dead.
- Joe Bonner
aw. now I'm chomped
- David Rothman (☤)
Well, you did ask for it.
- josh neff, geek at large
This thread is dead.
- Alex Scoble
Bela Lugosi's dead.
- josh neff, geek at large
you tease you
- VAL D. Zone
the phrase "bite me" is dead. And how the heck does it make any sense anyhoo?
- Laura Norvig
this thread is useless without pictures ...
- johnpiercy
Pictures are dead.
- Walt Crawford
Roadkill is dead.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Dead is the new black.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
The Dead are *The* Dead
- dontgetcaught
Which brand of shampoo/conditioner do you use?
Morton Fox, Steven Perez, Jason Huebel and 5 other people liked this
I alternate between Redken's All Soft and Extreme.
- Mary Carmen
Whichever one is on sale
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Currently alternating between redken's Body Full (Full Body?) and Fructis.
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
whatever my wife buys... Aussie I think
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
in the U.S.: Pert Plus Normal. in Malaysia: something that smelled like a fruit salad and cost RM$13 for 500ml.
- Joe Silence is not Santa
Whatever's cheap.
- Jàson Puçkett
Suave. It's cheap.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
Pantene 2 in 1.
- Derrick
Desert Essence Jojoba Shampoo I don't use conditioner
- RAPatton
Suave for Men.
- Steven Perez
from fftogo
Getting ready to try Dr. Bronner's Hemp Almond wash...we'll see how it goes though the baking soda works great too I just love the smell of sweet almond.
- adf
Lush Trichomania shampoo, usually tresemme conditioner because I bought a great big bottle.
- ÉllbeeÇee
Nioxin. Sounds like a clinical drug and smells minty!
- Arlan Koizumi
At the moment, I'm slowly working my way through all of the little bottles I have from hotels. I might re-evaluate my next purchase based on this experience.
- Katy S
i shave my head, so just plain old soap, :/
- chaz2b
my scalp is way too sensitive from chemo/rads to even try to think about baking soda.
- Mary Carmen
Here's a link to the Bronner stuff: http://www.drbronner.com/
- adf
TRESemme ColourThrive. I was using Burt's Bees, but I hated the way it made my hair feel. I switched to ColourThrive after my most recent colour treatment.
- Penguin It's Cold Outside
Pert Plus S/C Fine... or Aussie. Used to like L'Oreal ColorVive when I dyed my hair.
- Jenthemum
I use a little polish and a cheeky grin.
- Pete
None. My hair is so short, it never needs more than a good rinsing. Helps keep the natural hair oils balanced as well.
- CAJ, somewhere else
Whatever Mum buys. Currently she's on a Tresemmé kick. Probably because it was half-price at the store the other week, I think we have enough bottles to last us through a nuclear apocalypse. We might not be able to eat but at least well have thick, luxurious, run-your-fingers-through-it hair
- Bryce Roney
What CAJ said. No conditioner here.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
My wife & I both use Biolage Normalizing--after many years of using separate shampoos, this one works great for both of us. She uses a Biolage conditioner; I don't need a conditioner.
- Walt Crawford
Pantene Pro-V...started in high school. Occasionally switch to give my hair a change but haven't found anything else that worked as well. Usually the smooth and sleek
- Abigail
Garnier Fructise for normal hair. Occasionally, I'll use a random Target shampoo to clarify it, but that's infrequent. Brandon uses some Tea Tree Oil thing I got him at Whole Foods, 'cause his scalp is picky.
- ~Courtney F.
Devachan stuff
- Meg v. Meg v. 1.0.0.1
Some brand (change a lot), but I've been heavily considering giving the baking soda & vinegar thing a try.
- Lo
Rene Friis, Intensive Repair for both shampoo and conditioner. My hair is a delicate flower... or some blather like that...
- Bette Cooper
ABBA Pure Color Protect shampoo and conditioner
- holly
Kroger version of Head and Shoulders for guys lucky to still have hair left.
- Morgan Haley
Pantene, or whatever I have a coupon for.
- Nurse Katie
that stuff in a green neon bottle frutis or something
- VAL D. Zone
I like the high end stuff from the hairdresser (Pureology) but these days its pushing $30/bottle. So it L'Oreal for me.
- Shannon
Right now, I have Suave I think. I need to find something fragrance/chemical free because I super sensitive skin.
- tab thinks you're awesome
is pureology good? i can get that cheap, but never have used it myself
- Morgan Haley
I use Aveda, it's just about one of the few 'regular' brands that don't make my scalp super unhappy. I've also had really good luck with all of the Lush shampoos, just not when I dye my hair.
- Jennifer Dittrich
I use a bar of soap.
- Ian May
Paul Mitchell Tea Tree Shampoo and Conditioner, alternating with Neutragena T-Gel.
- Jason Huebel
I generally use Sunsilk. I got Suave Professionals the last time I got shampoo and conditioner, but I've not been impressed with it. I'll be switching back to Sunsilk when I run out.
- Curtiss Grymala
Griffin Remedy. No parabens, no petrochemicals, no SLS, and it smells heavenly.
- Jenica
Take your pick: http://friendfeed.com/laurabo...
- Laura B.
Aveda Rosemary/Mint
- Mistletoe Glen
Pantene
- Rodfather
I use bar soap.
- Morton Fox
My favorite is Tea Tree
- Mark Krynsky
Suave or what comes in the straightening kit
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Avalon Organics in Lavender flavor. forever it was herbal essences, then I found out about the neurotoxins I was putting on my head...
- βℜ∀ñÐi
Just tried Reflow in Adobe Reader 9 on a special issue of Cites & Insights (in PDF form)...well, if you don'tmindallthewordsrunningtogether, it works great. Also tried read aloud...which could, for sure, be worse.
Truly mysterious. Reflow converted from two columns to one, respected headings...but caused all the blanks to disappear or become so minimal they weren't visible.
- Walt Crawford
Followup: Turns out if I "Save as PDF" I get bookmarks in the PDF, and it reflows just fine (well, "just fine" may be an exaggeration, but it reflows readably). If I "Print" using a PDF printer (which I've been doing), no bookmarks (which has been true for C&I lately) and the reflow swallows spaces. OK, so from now on I'll "save as PDF."
- Walt Crawford
The Reader "read aloud" is just...strange. Word by word, pronounces em dashes as "da," always pronounces homonyms the same way, totally context-free...but understandable. (A fairly pleasant woman's voice.)
- Walt Crawford
Sony Ebook Boss: DRM Needs To Stay And Ebooks Should Cost More Than $10 - http://techdirt.com/article...
Heh. Even regular books dont cost more than $10 unless they're hardback. nice try, though.
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
Warmaiden: Is that true? I thought most trade paperbacks were more than $10, although most mass-market paperbacks may be less.
- Walt Crawford
Mass markets tend to be under $10. I can get a lot of trade paperbacks on amazon for less then $10. Those academic books, though, cost a lot. *looks at Routledge's Children's Literary Studies series containing books over $90 and decides that she could never in good conscience ask students to buy one for a children's lit class*
- Katy S
Laredo could be largest US city without bookstore - Yahoo! Finance - http://finance.yahoo.com/news...
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"With a population of nearly a quarter-million people, this city could soon be the largest in the nation without a single bookseller."
- Sir Shuping
from Bookmarklet
unlike!
- Fiona Bradley
Laredo isn't near a big city where someone could drive to a bookstore, it IS the big city. It's frightening to be so disconnected. (Of course the only B. Dalton's I've ever been in where very small and in malls.)
- Jeff Scott
Meh. A town will have the bookstores it deserves. It's not like they don't have Amazon in Laredo.
- s t e v e
It's great that they have Amazon, but one of the benefits of a bookstore is being able to wander around and find new authors and to me its more difficult to do that online
- Sir Shuping
If there are enough booklovers in Laredo, someone will open a bookstore. (Meanwhile, I'd bet there are booksellers--that is, places that sell books--e.g. Target, Other Large Chains. Not the same as having a good bookstore, to be sure.) A couple of indie bookstores have reopened around here lately; it's not impossible.
- Walt Crawford
It would be interesting to track online book sales for Laredo for the next couple of years. Will they be higher than average for a city of it's size? Will they jump up and stay up? Or will the overall book/literary culture weaken? Or does Laredo already have a weak book culture.
- John Dupuis
Heck do they even read in Texas? *Was born there!
- Tim Keneipp
Tim: I can almost visualize the Austinites preparing appropriate responses...
- Walt Crawford
Heck Walt Austin is not in Texas! They are their own state of mind, mainly not out of it.
- Tim Keneipp
One up: Shopping at Target yesterday, was delighted to find an absence of holiday music. Even more delighted to find an absence of any music. (Might be peculiar to our Target.)
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Walt, could you please arrange for this to happen in other stores and eating places and .... Thanks.
- Polly Potter
Srsly. Dude. Patent your music-suppressing skillz. You could make a MINT.
- D0r0th34
I'm pretty sure the new supertarget near me doesn't play any music. Also, in the freezer & fridge sections of the grocery the lights in the cases are on motion sensors. I thought it was really neat when I first noticed it.
- ÉllbeeÇee
i think it's all targets they don't play music except in the tv/music area
- Sir Shuping
Polly: Around here, some casual eating places aren't too bad. EllbeeCee: I seem to remember the same from Mountain View, so maybe it is one of the reasons I view Target a lot more fondly than "big-box retailers" in general. Dunno if we could deal with a SuperTarget--VERY big stores give us the urge to go elsewhere. (There was a Safeway in Redwood City that neither of us could stand to shop in; it was just too darn big.)
- Walt Crawford
I've never heard any music in the last several Targets I've been in, in several states. One of many reasons I heart Target.
- Catherine Pellegrino
And one down: Thanks to a link this morning (intended for other purposes), I'm now informed of a huge new set of areas in which I am never, ever, ever expected/allowed to say anything whatsoever. (Not personally, but as one of a certain "type"). Sigh.
Grrrr! Not liking this.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
What's this from?
- Kendra <3 Three Lions
Wut?
- s t e v e
Kendra: If I say, I get in the middle of it. Actually, it's happened at least twice this week, but with different sets of areas.
- Walt Crawford
TOP SECRET DRAMA!
- s t e v e
Google Wave invites: The AOL CD's of Web 2.0.
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Heh. Walt Crawford said this exact thing yesterday.
- josh neff, geek at large
Great minds run in the same gutter.
- Walt Crawford
No, I'm just a copycat.
- Liam Sullivan
Fwd: excellent piece in the LA Times on the reaction to the Wired vaccines article: http://www.latimes.com/enterta... (via http://friendfeed.com/mlrethl...)
Peter Murray liked this
Why is it in the "entertainment" section, though?
- DJF
Well, it was media-related, so that doesn't surprise me. Another instance of definitional problems: "Information" doesn't necessarily mean factual or meaningful data.
- Walt Crawford
Well put, Walt!
- David Rothman (☤)
Anyone still need a Google Wave invite? I got a bunch. You too can get very excited, then try it out, then wonder what it's supposed to do, then get bored with it and forget about it till someone on Twitter mentions it. All this excitement/non-excitement can be yours!
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I have 8 invites that I haven't been able to get rid of.
- josh neff, geek at large
I'm hording mine. They're my digital krugerrands.
- Sarah G.
I have 19 that I can't seem to ditch.
- ÉllbeeÇee
I still have 21 to ditch.
- Joe
Oh...right...Wave. I'm supposed to be checking/using that aren't I
- Abigail
I got my invite already. Blink, Blink....
- Tim Keneipp
Maybe it was my salesmanship....
- Andy Woodworth
I didn't give out all of the 8 they originally gave me, so they gave me 15 more...
- Peter Murray
from BuddyFeed
I can't pay people to take them.
- Liam Sullivan
Has anyone gotten an invitation, logged in, done nothing, and then forgotten about it? I mean, I would never do that or anything. But maybe someone else has?
- Joan
Google Wave invites are the Beanie Babies of Library 2.0
- Rochelle Rochelle
Rochelle FTW!
- josh neff, geek at large
Heck, Liam, for the right amount I'd take one. Unless that also required doing something with it... (Rochelle: Are you sure Google Wave invites aren't turning into the AOL CDs of Web 2.0?)
- Walt Crawford
That definitely works, too, Walt. Beanie Babies came to mind because any time I do a house de-clutter I come across at least one cache of BBs, from Miss 16's multi-year BB mania.
- Rochelle Rochelle
Actually, Rochelle, Beanie Babies is better: Highly desired at one point, not so much later on. I don't remember any time that AOL CDs were highly desired...
- Walt Crawford
I declare this the Official Laura X Birthday Thread for 2009!
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Happy birthday, Laura. I'm glad you are my friend.
- s t e v e
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, LAURA! :)
- josh neff, geek at large
happy b-day laura!!! hope it's a great one!
- Sir Shuping
three cheers for laura x! hip-hip...
- D0r0th34
YAAAAAAAAYYYY! HAPPY BIRTHDAY ICE WATER SWIMMER!
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
and uh... Hoorayy
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
Happy Birthday Laura :)
- Pete
Happy birthday, Laura!
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
...HOORAY! Happy birthday!
- Catherine Pellegrino
happy birthday, laura!
- Katie
Happy birthday, Laurax! :)
- Laura B.
Laura, you're a thoughtful and passionate librarian, and you're a thoughtful and compassionate friend. Happy birthday.
- lris' ghost
Happy birthday Laura X!
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Ditto. You rock, Laura.
- Jàson Puçkett
hooray!
- Meg v. Meg v. 1.0.0.1
Happy Birthday Laura!
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
Thanks, all! Barry, the *water* isn't actually icy, just the outdoors.
- laura x
A glorious birthday to you Laura!
- Galadriel C.
All the best! May it be one #hotmess of a time!
- sofarsoShawn
Happy Birthday to Laura! :-)
- vicster is...
Have a frabjous day.
- cecily
Happy birthday!
- Alex Scoble
Feliz cumple, Laura! :)
- JA Castillo
Happy Birthday.
- Walt Crawford
Happy Birthday Laura! I hope your day is wonderful!
- tab thinks you're awesome
birthday haiku: Up in Meeteetse/hanging out in the cold snow/ celebrate Laura!
- ÉllbeeÇee
Buon compleanno!
- Greg Schwartz
Happy Birthday Laura1!
- Abigail
Happy birthday!
- Spidra Webster
Happiest birthday Laura
- Kathryn says love n peace
from iPhone
How did I miss this? Happy Birthday :)
- marthalib
I hope you have had the loveliest of days, Miss Laura X.
- Derrick
Happy Birthday, Laura X!
- Ayşe E.
happy birthday
- Kamilah Gill
Happy Birthday!
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
I hit you up on FB, but now Steve has provided me with a place on FF. Hope your day was excellent!
- Kaijsa Calkins
Aww, thank you all so much!
- laura x
Happy Birthday, Laura!
- Micah Wittman
Happy Birthday, Laura! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
Microsoft Natural Ergonomic #Keyboard 4000 USB - from $24 + s/h - http://www.directron.com/b2m0001...
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it is #split, #tented (raised in the middle) and has a #negativeslope
- Mike Chelen
from Bookmarklet
I have their el-cheapo $19.99 version and love it -- bought one for work and for use with my laptop at home. The cheap model doesn't have the keyboard "resting" place and is not quite so split down the center (I have an earlier model more similar to the one pictured -- cannot connect it to anything anymore but is how I learned to love ergo keyboards). My current model works excellently for me -- typing, accuracy is much better, even with arthritic hands (or perhaps especially b/c of arthritic hands!).
- Mickey Schafer
I have the wireless version, with less of a negative slope, from years ago...and it's absolutely saved me from wrist problems. The only downside: On a regular keyboard, my typing speed goes from 80wpm to maybe 8wpm.
- Walt Crawford
my kids think I'm an idiot when I get onto their computer with its regular keyboard. sigh.
- Mickey Schafer
$24 *is* a good deal!!!
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
get an ergo kb for your friends or family pc, then they will like it very quickly, and you won't mind using it when helping with something :D
- Mike Chelen
Mickey: probably the "natural keyboard elite" http://www.newegg.com/Product... which was also my first ergo keyboard, and a great deal at $20 or $30
- Mike Chelen
See-ming: that doesn't include s&h, still a great price for one of the nicest kb around
- Mike Chelen
Walt: wireless would be nice, been eyeing "ergonomic desktop 7000" http://www.newegg.com/Product... because the keyboard looks identical, haven't tried a mouse like that though
- Mike Chelen
Mike: Mine--now something like five years old with many hours a day of my heavy-handed typing--is an older, less glitzy version of that, the MS Wireless Natural Multimedia Keyboard. (The mouse is also less glitzy, but still has two extra left-side thumb buttons, which I mostly don't use.) In any case, a great keyboard.
- Walt Crawford
B&H has this for $30 w/ free shipping now: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c...
- Mike Chelen
Do guys ever like "regular" girls? Or do they always have to be tarted and slutted out to hell? I like looking at nice guys, but they can be in sweater vests and bowties, not waxed, shiny, and in speedos.
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LOL!
- Ange Recchia/angesbiz
The way I hear it, a lot of guys do. The way it has worked out in my life, not many guys do.
- Spidra Webster
I like "regular" girls...but then again, not everybody has the same definition for "regular"
- Beau Liening
I married a regular girl.
- Alex Scoble
I like.
- Michael W. May
I'm very much turned off by "slutted out to hell." For that matter, I really don't like high heels, much less fake breasts...ick.
- Christopher A Carr
If she isn't dressed like a Rockette I'm not interested!
- Joe Pierce
I don't do tarted and slutted in the real world (my 365 pictures don't count)
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
I do I do
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
To quote Eek-A-Mouse... I like dem all. But there has to be a hook, you know? Not necessarily physical either.
- Adrian
It also depends on whether we're talking "like" as in "got a chance with X" or "like" as in "X is hot"
- Adrian
I like regular girls
- Mo Kargas
I do. Maybe I'm jaded from growing up in SoCal. I've always been around those "Hawt Chicks" who, well, *yawn* THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME TO ME. Give me character or unconventional beauty any day!
- Anna Haro
i was attracted to (and still am attracted to) a "normal" girl. she dresses like a guy most of the time (occasionally will wear a 3/4 length skirt or dress) and i think i've seen my wife in full makeup TWICE in 13+ years since we first met. sometimes she wears lipstick if there's a party, otherwise the overwhelming majority of the time she's got nothing on her face. i don't think she's...
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- Joe Silence is not Santa
i have always found 'regular' girls in 'everyday attire to be attractive. Anyway, the looks don't necessarily match personality or sexual prowess
- Ian May
I like regular girls. I may lust after the hotties, but give me a nerdy girl any day. I married a nerd. (Don't tell her I admitted it, but her IQ is slightly higher than mine. Mine is 164.)
- Jason Huebel
@Jason: the nerdy girls ARE the hotties! (i married a mathematician.)
- Joe Silence is not Santa
I married a librarian.
- Jeremy (quasimodo)
from Android
I find emotional warmth attractive, above all. I have to admit, I like a gal who is down-to-earth but, when necessary, can really turn herself out (I have a glam side, too).
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Tina Fey?
- T. Brent, technopeasant
I think Tina Fey is adorable.
- Derrick
Jeremy gets extra bonus points for marrying a librarian.
- cecily
hoho, I like how Anna blames it on SoCal. =)
- Andrew C
That's my experience, Andrew. :-) I grew up in an area where all the girls wanted/tried to look like Pamela Anderson. NO THANKS.
- Anna Haro
I married a librarian, endogamy FTW! Sneak-up hot is so much more fun than self-regarding know-i'm-hot.
- Pete
FWIW, I know a lot of librarians that are tarted and slutted all to hell. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.) Just sayin' that "librarian" does not necessary equal "regular girl."
- Sarah G.
Indeed not, Sarah, though in my experience the two sets are pretty close. Then again, I haven't been to an AALL conference...
- Pete
And this ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, is why I love Derrick so.
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
I'd much rather a woman think like a porn star than look like a porn star. I'd much rather see the attractive "regular" women I see naked, but most of them won't let me see them naked, so I make due with the women who will. If that makes sense.
- josh neff, geek at large
I like 'normal' women, but my definition of 'normal' is other peoples' 'weird', or maybe just 'different'. And DERRICK! Don't say you don't like the tarts, I can't count how many times I've seen some oiled-up superhunk* scroll down c/o your feed. You know I aint lyin! *Other then Derricks self portraits.
- Will Higgins™
I'm a jeans, t-shirt, no make-up & ponytail kinda girl, and I'm married, so that means at least one guy does ;o)
- Mellissa Claus
slutted, definitely, tarted optional.
- sofarsoShawn
I wouldn't use "regular" to describe myself, but I definitely don't tart or slut more than 1x per 5 years. There are guys who are into that, but in my experience it's a minority of guys. That works, really, because it seems like the majority of women wear makeup, etc.
- Lo
I think most men have a knee-jerk (and I'm using the word "knee" here *very* loosely) response to "tarted up" women, where we are reacting to the symbols and signifiers of "sexy." rather than to the person herself (hence "sex object" and all that). When it comes to "regular" girls, tastes diverge a bit, but I think all but the most deluded and juvenile men also find a certain large segment of the "regular" female population attractive, too.
- s t e v e
Also, Derrick, lemme remind you of some of your previous posts here: the women on FF who get comments on their photos ranging from appreciative to Neanderthal are almost never looking phony, dressed to kill, etc. They are just looking pretty or confident or vulnerable or kind or some other "normal" thing that men respond to (appropriately or not).
- s t e v e
Great Feed. I think regular girls are the best..
- ★ Soner Gönül
Also, D., I too would rather appreciate Josh in his vest and bow tie than oiled up in a Speedo.
- s t e v e
Steve, I think that's a universal feeling. Nobody wants to see me in a Speedo, oiled or otherwise.
- josh neff, geek at large
Hmm. 'Librarians of South Beach; sign, signifier, signiFIED! A post-structural dis-course on sexuality and attraction'
- Pete
Josh, you in a speedo would not be as scary and some speedos I've seen.
- DJF
I love Tina Fey, but when she plays me in the movie of my life, I am going to tell her to gain 30 lbs.
- laura x
did somebody say Speedos?!?!
- sofarsoShawn
The best looking girls wake up looking that way.
- Brad Greer
laura: In Tina Fey's defense, it's possible that she doesn't really have a choice. My wife (yes, a librarian; yes, smarter than I am; yes, doesn't own high heels) is 5'10" or 5'11" and weighs 115lb--because that's how her metabolism works. [Addendum: I don't follow celebrity news much OR read the NYTimes, so didn't realize that Fey admitted losing 30lbs deliberately--see laura x below.]
- Walt Crawford
What Brad said! Some of the best looking women I have seen have little to no make-up or other enhancements. Keep it simple stupid... ;)
- JA Castillo
Walt, she's said publicly that she lost 30lbs in order to get on TV: http://www.nytimes.com/2001....
- laura x
OK, then I withdraw my comment. That's unfortunate. (Not that overly-thin women don't get grumbled at a lot as well...)
- Walt Crawford
I like all kinds of girls - but I'll look faster at the tarty ones.
- Ciaoenrico
I try to avoid grumbling about size in general. I just want everyone to be able to eat well.
- laura x
D. <333333333333333333333
- Ayşe E.
Hell NO, all girl's grody!!!
- sofarsoShawn
:) @ laura x
- VAL D. Zone
*rubs cooties on Shawn*
- Ayşe E.
like regular.........
- VAL D. Zone
A woman who looks like a stripper is probably going to catch my eye, but that's about it and only temporary. We had a party once where we had strippers. I got to film them "backstage" and just kinda hang out with a bunch of naked women. It was pretty awesome, but as we got to talking, I started to forget to stare at their junk.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I personally prefer regular girls. Yeah sure a lot of slutty girls look good, but at the end of the day I find myself looking more at a regular girl with some nice curves.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I don't know any regular girls. All the women I know are amazing in a lot of different ways.
- DJF
i thought you guys all liked regular girls who "tarted up" for you at home? or if you know that librarian is "tarted up" underneath...?
- Lisa
Oooo, a tarted up librarian? I'm all for that!
- Jason Huebel
I don't know if I like this anti-tarty vein. And whoever was commenting on women's photos on FF and the response they got, um, you're wrong. The "myspace photo" is alive and well on FF. You got it with "vulnerable" doe eyes through teh eyebrows cleavage shots. lol. Do you think the anti-tart sentiment isn't about high maintenance women, but more about a fear of women's sexuality?
- anna sauce
To clarify- men feel safe when women hide their sexiness underneath a cardigan and horned-rim glasses?
- anna sauce
I really doubt it, anna. Men feel safe when women hide their intelligence behind pancake makeup and fuck me pumps is more like it.
- Spidra Webster
Other men, maybe. Smart, strong women are a serious turn-on for me. I like a woman who can stand her ground.
- Jason Huebel
Of course there are exceptions. And probably more here on FF than other places. But as a generalization? yeah.
- Spidra Webster
I wonder if you take a hot woman, who is a librarian, and shows off her curves. Would you guys not be interested because... she has a healthy sense of her own worth? LOL.
- anna sauce
I don't like it when women hide their sexiness or their intelligence. Wearing it on the outside, whether you're in a short skirt & fishnets or a baggy T-shirt & jeans. is really, really, really attractive.
- josh neff, geek at large
I mean, some people are just hot, and not slutty per se, but defnitely have a rack, etc. Like Selma Hayek. Would anyone tell her to take out her contacts and put on a cardigan, so they can marry her... lol. We're putting too much stock in looks.
- anna sauce
It's interesting how many people (mostly guys) say here (and in other similar threads) that they're into women who are smart, practical, and "normal", and not so into the major makeup, flirty, "tarted up" type. However, when a picture is posted here that is like there, there is no shortage of drooling in the comments.
- Rochelle
What's the adage... you f** your mistress, you marry your wife?
- anna sauce
Few things turn me on more than witty repartee, like I'm in a 30s screwball comedy or something.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Rochelle: On the other hand, there's a whole bunch of us out here who you've never see drool over any picture in the comments, whether it's a "hot" woman or otherwise. Out of a million people on FF, I'm certainly ready to believe there are thousands of "guys" looking for hot pictures to drool over and also thousands of men who prefer women in all their complexities.
- Walt Crawford
Like I said, a "slut" or hot chick or whatever might catch my eye just like an expensive sports car might catch my eye...but that doesn't mean I really want one.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Walt, I'm talking about people I interact with on FF and posts I've seen show up in my feed. I've never encountered you before on FF, so I have no idea what your commenting history is.
- Rochelle
Coming from Montreal, people would often rave about how beautiful Montreal women are... but I've also heard it said that your 'average' Montreal girl (whatever that is) knows how to dress in a way that flatters their particular body type.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
I find a woman beautiful based on a range of factors and I do not prejudge them into categories like 'hot girl' and 'normal'.
- Johnny Worthington
Derrick... I can appreciate a well groomed man as well...
- Johnny Worthington
Of which you are, JW.
- Derrick
Oh yes, there are men that like intelligent women. Then you end up as the *tech-support gal* .. :)
- Citronella
The thing about "hot" girls is that you can invest hundreds of hours in knowing how to look good to please others (and I'm drawing a distinction from ladies who do it for themselves, like many FF women), but you're still going to be old someday anyway. If you invest that time in knowing stuff, or being entertaining, you'll be the hot one with time.
- Lo
Yes I prefer girls with a healthy dose of fiber.
- Rodfather
This is a tricky question, actually. Obviously, I see where D is going, but I would argue that a girl not being tarted up does not make her "regular." Many of ff's most spectacularly crush-worthy ladies are not tarted up at all, and many of the guys on here notice quite often how fabulous these "regular" girls are. :)
- Bren -- Loves Chrimmuh
Normal isn't my thing.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
from Android
Whatever they're wearing, I like intensity in a guy... probably why I like hanging around poets and Highlanders so much.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
I much prefer "regular" girls. I can't stand gigantic fake boobs, I'm not one for women with tattoos and trout pouts make my dick run for cover.
- Joey Gibson
Trout pouts? lol
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Sure, some guys like regular girls. No, plain janes do not get more action nor asked on more dates. (Simple answer). And for some women (whom i admire) the makeup application that makes them look dynamite takes mere minutes, and they can hold a conversation quite easily - so equating makeup/tarted (?) with shallow is just an easy out. tarted up doesnt cancel out your worth as an intelligent human, for either sex. So, ernk to the turn this convo has taken.
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
I like regular girls. I like slutty girls. but most of all, I like punk rock girls. they punk rock my world.
- Morgan Haley
Spoken by a woman who is both, huh?
- Jeremy (quasimodo)
I'm tarty on the inside.
- cecily
Im not a tart - I have neither the figure, the wardrobe nor the makeup skills to enhance my looks. But I dont trash those who do. I consider myself pretty regular - plain and chunky, on the higher side of smart. I just think this question (Do guys ever like regular girls") is too much like "do guys ever like chocolate?". The answer is some of them, some of the time, and it all depends on the chocolate.
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
Indeed.
- Pete
I'm not a chocolate fan. Dark chocolate is particularly blecky.
- Jason Huebel
Jason: *BLOCKED*
- Bren -- Loves Chrimmuh
I like a variety. Give me "vanilla", give me fetish and everything in between.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
lol I also notice tHat in the spectrum of tart vs regular, we've conveniently left out the ugly girl, for whom the only real answer is to have an awesome personality that overrides face (or interesting text that overrides posted pictures).
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
Warmaiden: I agree with you. However, I have seen photos of you wearing make-up, and you've mentioned buying lingerie...
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Dear godz. I like flesh, curves, handles, niches, painted, tanned, alabaster white, smart, simple, ditzy, high heels, bare feet, short skirts, amish dresses, burkas with hint of slutty eye, short, tall, wide, thin, tarty, virginal, ad infintum. But, there has to be some beauty there. Turn-offs - cankles, dirty feet, underarm hair, bad complexions, body odor, or the idea that sex (or our...
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- Rev. Dr. W!cKeD Rock
T. brent - this is true. I suppose i didnt think that rated on the Tart Scale :)
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
Jason, THAT'S RACIST (no, not really).
- cecily
Wicked: equal opportunity lech ;)
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
I love that this thread has over 100 comments. :-)
- Anna Haro
I LOVE my "regular" girl. :)
- ha3rvey (free hugs!)
I LOVE sweater vests and bowties :-)
- Anna Haro
"burkas with hint of slutty eye" lol
- anna sauce
Loveth this threadeth
- anna sauce
*picks up sweater vest and bowtie on the way home* :)
- ha3rvey (free hugs!)
And do you tell me of a woman's tongue, That gives not half so great a blow to hear As will a chesnut in a farmer's fire?
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Anna Haro: http://friendfeed.com/joshuam...
- josh neff, geek at large
You know what? I wanted to like this thread. But you're all playing so facilely with stereotypes that don't mean jack shit that it's a pointless conversation. I'm a "regular girl", and a "slut" and a "tart", and a "librarian" -- what the HELL are you actually talking about, other than objectifying women while pretending to be enlightened about it?
- Jenica
1UP Jenica.
- Derrick
Jenica, I think you're absolutely right. I've been trying to make that kind of point--at least it's been in the back of my head--but I've been doing it very, very, very badly.
- josh neff, geek at large
Nice work Jenica. File this under "threads I wish I hadn't posted in"
- s t e v e
I prefer to subjectify women. That is to say: SUBJECT THEM TO MY AWESOMENESS WOAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Akiva Moskovitz
I agree that words have a lot of baggage associated with them, but it'd be pretty hard to have this conversation without words. Is there another word besides "tart" that more adequately expresses the nuances that you feel should be included in such a discussion? Or is it just flat out wrong to talk about women period? (please read that in a non-confrontational tone, I don't mean to fight, just curious & happy to be ignored)
- Lo
"other than objectifying women while pretending to be enlightened about it" - Whedonification, or see also Sorkinification.
- Andrew C
Jenica, what do you find attractive in men? And don't answer with anything that would objectify them.
- Kenton
I don't like "normal" anything.
- Steven Perez
I don't think we're all playing with the stereotypes; or rather, I don't think we're all playing *along* with the stereotypes. Some of us (OK, me) are tweaking the stereotypes with our responses (except for the being married to a librarian part. Librarians are pretty neat, regardless of where they fall on the sexual attractiveness scale.)
- cecily
ha ha ha!
- Anna Lynn M.
I kinda want to quote Zapp Brannigan here...
- Andrew C
Zapp is the man.
- Jeremy (quasimodo)
Hmmm. Being one who's in an open relationship, and a Kink? I get to deal with all types from all walks in many situations. I'm pretty desensitized to a lot of "normal" turn-ons, so someone who tries to stand out will get my attention - so will someone who tries to blend in. That's why I appreciate the entire spectrum. And yes! I love women who want me to objectify them, literally!
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
I feel quite okay with the comments I've made on this thread.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Wait, what's this about Neff in an oily Speedo???
- Mellissa Claus
LITA at Midwinter 2010: A Publicity Update - http://walt.lishost.org/2009...
I wish to point out that my annual "Why the hell don't LITA IGs tell us what they're planning at conference?" post has a semi-happy ending...as long as you just ignore the multifarious LITA communications channels and go straight to the ALA Midwinter 2010 wiki. It's progress...of a sort.
- Walt Crawford
if you reserve ur #alamw10 hotel room thru ALA, you can get a free airport shuttle ticket from the CC to Logan on 1/18 http://ala.org/ala...
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Sigh. My comment now seems mean-spirited. Nice touch for those who haven't already booked cheap Tuesday flights. I should try to be as positive as possible about ALA's actions. Really I should.
- Walt Crawford
For what it's worth ... But they still blog: the liblog Landscape 2007-2009 by Walt Crawford is now in LibraryThing: http://www.librarything.com/work...
Oops, not sure that opening sounds like what I meant to say. :(
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Mark: I love the way you put it. Personally, I have no idea what it's worth, just what it sells for...
- Walt Crawford
Well, in that case, I guess it is perfectly OK then. :)
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
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