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Sciknow Publications | Publisher of Peer-reviewed Scholarly Journals Based on Open Access Model - http://www.sciknow.org/
Joe Boone liked this
This group solicited papers from a in-house listserv I'm on to answer questions about citation management software (Endnote, etc). Perhaps not the most targeted recruitment.
- Hedgehog
from Bookmarklet
I only checked a couple of the many, many journals...but those I checked showed no indication of any published issues. This does not bode well. (I just checked a dozen. Most had "ISSN pending." Not one of those I checked showed a publication history.)
- Walt Crawford
And...the address is a boutique hotel. Better and better.
- Walt Crawford
That someone can choose to ignore the benefits of a technology or product does not invalidate the benefits of the technology or product.
Stephen Mack #TeamMomo liked this
it's not useful to me - how could it be useful to anyone else?!?!?! #allaboutme
- holly #ravingfangirl
LOL, Holly, exactly. :D
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Good straw man. Shows you being ignorant of what I actually said.
- Gimminy
Except it's not a straw man at all, Jimminy. That's exactly what Johnny is doing. I'm sure he's trying to be funny, but not really succeeding. And once again, this is not about you.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I mean, come on, Jimminy, you aren't one of the people getting left behind, you are one of the people leaving others behind you.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Alex, but for the OP the same could be said about the negatives of a technology or product. The individual doesn't have to be ignorant to the benefits to still decide not to use it.
- Gimminy
Alex, possibly, but even if I was I don't care. I'm always going to be left behind in some fashion, even if I'm leading in others.
- Gimminy
Wait. So, this isn't related to the fact that Adobe isn't selling physical copies of their Creative Suite anymore? :P
- DAMMIT, MR. NOODLE
I'm not ignoring the benefits. Believe it or not I have 3 exceptional use cases for the technology... but I'm not slobbering over it with froth'd mouth like this will change everything. I get the passion, I don't get the blow back cause I don't share that passion like I'm somehow missing the point or a luddite. Technology won't save us, our proper use of said technology will. Blind faith in technology is misguided
- Johnny
from iPhone
I'm not slobbering over it either because A) it's too damn expensive B) not particularly useful to me yet 3) my brother in the shower iiii) racecar. If you at least have the vision to see where this technology could lead, then we really have no quibbles. The great thing about technology is that it usually works regardless of whether you think it will.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Well except for all those attempts at perpetual energy.
- Gimminy
Those worked as expected regardless of what the inventors thought as well. :D I guess it's all a matter of perspective.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Love this! -> Alex: "3) My brother in the shower."
- Mary B: #TeamMonique
That some people find a technology or product beneficial does not inherently make it beneficial for everybody.
- Walt Crawford
Nothing more annoying in future/tech discussions than when someone says, "[X] has no value to me. Therefore it has no value to anyone."
Micah, Me, John E. Bredehoft and 5 other people liked this
My main problem is that new tech is cast either as "a completely useless but very expensive toy" or "the total and complete salvation of the human race". There's like no middle ground at all.
- Victor Ganata
I'm more used to the reverse of this: "[X] will make my life better. Therefore, it will make everybody's life better and if they don't realize it they will be left behind."
- Walt Crawford
Anybody know anything about this: Forecasting Next Generation Libraries: A Virtual Course-ference July - August 2013: http://nextgenlibraries.org/
Meg V. Meg liked this
Got an email asking me to help promote the thing, whatever a course-ference is. Speaker list has some of the issues these sorts of things tend to have.
- John Dupuis
lots of white dudes?
- RepoRat
that, and all-officers-no-enlisted, I see.
- RepoRat
Bingo.
- John Dupuis
It's also unclear to me who exactly is organizing this. Is it the consultant dude? The person who emailed me?
- John Dupuis
NITLE seems to be at the bottom of the pile somewhere.
- RepoRat
Only $25, I might give it a shot. Also, Michael Nielsen is speaking in the technology slot!
- Joe Boone
Ah, that. Yes, just some individuals at Carthage College, or perhaps as part of Wisconsin Library doings. One of the organizers is Lizz Zitron, who I had the pleasure of working with when she was in Library school. She is very good people. I think it's a legit professional development thing, done for the good of the whole.
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
It looks interesting, but also looks vaguely pyramid-y. I'm intrigued.
- kendrak
And I have to say that, while there are some white dudes, it's a fairly diverse set of speakers. (There's only one speaker who I might pay $25 *not* to listen to, and these days that's a pretty good track record.)
- Walt Crawford
uh, I count about 70% white dudes. that is not representative of librarianship, and I doubt it's representative of education or publishing either. Tech, yeah, sure, it's diverse as tech goes.
- RepoRat
And starring James Falco as Terry Reese! http://nextgenlibraries.org/technol...
- Steele Lawman
Steele- Freaks and Geeks era Franco for sure.
- kendrak
Oops. That's Franco. My bad.
- Steele Lawman
Imagine James Franco playing Tav Falco!
- kendrak
I wouldn't sign up for this because they are calling it a Course-Ference which fuck that shit. But aside from that and the other issues mentioned above, this looks not horrible?
- Steele Lawman
"This looks not horrible."
- Joe Boone
You think they want that as a blurb? For the right price, I'd be amenable. But it would have to include the question mark.
- Steele Lawman
They totally need an endorsements page.
- laura x
Info I just got from Lizz: Carthage College in Kenosha, WI is hosting a virtual conference on Forecasting Next Generation Libraries (http://www.nextgenlibraries.org) from July 1-August 19. This conference aims to help (mostly academic, but all are welcome!) librarians examine the past and their present in order to help forecast their future. Additionally, we'll hear from publishers,...
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- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I agree with the not horribleness. It's probably well worth the $25. The panel format would have been easy to adapt to adding the occasional early- or mid-career rather than focusing on director of this or director of that.
- John Dupuis
I like Josh Morrill a lot. He works very closely with my partner on research questions involving use of digital resources by students. He's super smart and very data and evidence oriented, and also is very useful in terms of thinking about evaluation and assessment. There is a personal bias there, but we've had him come here to do some teaching about methods, and my sense from people is that he was well received.
- Sarah
Libraries and advocacy: The downside of being universally liked -- your thoughts? http://lj.libraryjournal.com/2013...
Kirsten, RepoRat, Joe Boone and John Dupuis liked this
I think he's dead on about the problem. (See also http://crl.acrl.org/content... coincidentally.) I don't know that he has THE SOLUTION, but then I don't know that anybody does -- I sure don't. I just know that "liking" libraries and librarians is not enough. We need our patron base to USE, UNDERSTAND, and FIGHT FOR libraries and librarians.
- RepoRat
Which may be where the new ALA division that unites Friends, trustees, library foundations and others comes in: Friends, especially, can be enormously effective advocates for public libraries.
- Walt Crawford
I liked this piece. I think his take on it is not bulletproof, but it's certainly a better way of advocating for the library instead of lines like "it helps poor people". If we can't sway votes or put money into the pot, we can help frame the issue better.
- Andy
I always get confused a bit about the seven layers in the model. I know that they exist, and generally what they are, but it is always difficult to articulate them to someone else.
The four-layer model is usually easier to explain.
- Julian
are we talking about salad? because I love 7-layer salad ;)
- maʀtha
I was thinking dip!
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
OSI model. Basically, how the Internet works. I had never heard of a seven-layer salad, and a seven-layer dip would be a good comparison to the OSI model. Mmm... dip... *Homer drool*
- Julian
Well...the Internet doesn't really work using the OSI model. (RLG had a network that *did* use the OSI model, but TCP/IP, the heart of the internet, mixes-and-matches levels. I'm not an expert in this area, but this is how I understand it... Believe it or not, at one LITA National Conference, the Fuzzy Match Interest Group put on a musical rendition of the OSI layers.)
- Walt Crawford
OSI is a general guideline that usually breaks down at layer 4.
- Eric - seven eleven
from iPhone
RT @laura_hudson: I love this story about a woman gender-flipping a cheesecake poster at her gaming job (and her boss's response!): http://t.co/yBz9uw7sDB
Matt Hodgkinson, Björn Brembs, Joe Boone and 14 other people liked this
The other poster is worth the click! :)
- c.a.j.
Awesomes
- Eric Sizemore
I liked the whole story...
- Walt Crawford
that is f'ing awesome
- Sir Shuping is just sir
"Ruby Underboob and Brosie the Riveter, together at last"
- SteVe C
[your friend Mr Beall is the blogger in question] Publisher Threatens to Sue Blogger for $1-Billion http://chronicle.com/article...
yeah, see, this is kind of why I want org backing for our takeover project ;) I mean, Elsevier briefly tried to get nasty over @FakeElsevier. Rather not risk my net worth (such as it is) if I can avoid it.
- RepoRat
I tweeted at Beall if he would post the demand letter. I have a feeling it is full of bullying language and short on actual defamation substance.
- Andy
hope he does. I have a feeling it may depend on how much he wants to cry martyr.
- RepoRat
I love that the first thing he says about the letter is that it's poorly written.
- Steele Lawman
Beall has a remarkable ability to attract enemies so awful as to make him look good and continue to get more publicity for his overbroad lists. It's a talent.
- Walt Crawford
I admit that part of what frosts me about this is precisely that it IS baseless. Wish Hindawi would take a swing at him instead.
- RepoRat
I'm surprise Edwin Mellen isn't suing this publishing company for taking their IP. Clearly, they are using EMP's business practices.
- Andy
A conspiracy theorist could have fun with this situation, but never mind...
- Walt Crawford
I also love the idea of suing someone for a billion dollars because they said you were predatory.
- Steele Lawman
Dang, we gotta do a class action suit! Big cats and big dogs against biologists!
- RepoRat
Should I start up a kickstarter to raise the money to cover his Billion dollar legal expense?
- Joe Boone
how do you pronounce subsequent: sub-SEE-quent or sub-suh-quent?
sub-suh-quent
- Monique the crochet freak
the second.
- holly #ravingfangirl
suh
- Jenica
It depends on the noun for me.
- Anika
sub-suh-quent
- John (bird whisperer)
Both, actually. Same with either and neither. I have no sense of consistency.
- Jed Harris-Keith
sub-seh-quent.
- Betsy #TeamMonique
suh (or seh, but not accented)
- Walt Crawford
SUB-suh-quent
- Kirsten
sub-si-quent
- Heleninstitches
suh
- Rachel Walden
suh
- Hedgehog
suh or seh
- Catherine Pellegrino
suh or seh
- Meg V. Meg
SUB-s@-qu@nt (where @ is a schwa aka standard "not-really-a-vowel" vowel on unstressed syllables)
- Deborah Fitchett
sub SEE quent for sure
- LibrarianOnTheLoose
Never heard it any other way than SUB se quent
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Depends on the meter of the verse ;) I'm kind of into the aesthetics of prosody.
- Victor Ganata
sub-si-quent
- Jason - The Opaque
from Android
suh
- Headless Gnad Kicker
http://www.npr.org/blogs... Google fights Glass backlash before product is even released.
Kol Tregaskes, Thomas Power and Stephen Mack #TeamMomo liked this
I think that this could possibly be one of those products that a large number of people don't get and are thusly left behind.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
And I mean "don't get" as in "don't understand", "don't like", "don't want" and/or "don't see the benefits".
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
The nature of the roll out is only going to exacerbate the problem. The product itself is severely flawed in a myriad of ways, but, seriously, whoever was put in charge of this pre-launch phase should be updating their resume.
- Soup in a TARDIS
What's wrong with the way they rolled it out?
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I'd take issue with "and are thusly left behind." My guess is that millions of us who don't "get" a particular hot new thing aren't left behind--we choose not to participate. Which is an entirely valid choice unless life, death or health are involved.
- Walt Crawford
I take issue with the arrogance that those who don't bend over and willingly accept every new piece of tech as the holy grail and the product that will change the fundamental way we communicate as a luddite or someone who will be left behind. Maybe it's just possible that the vast majority of those who don't "get it" are actually making a choice that this is silly, a step to far or simply something that only those who display such arrogance will care about.
- Johnny
from iPhone
Surely if you're in the small group using it, you'd be left behind with the other people in the small group using it.
- Pete #TeamMonique
++ Walt & Johnny. These are choices. We absolutely should not blindly accept the technological manifest destiny, build it and they will come, mentality. Particularly when they are being foisted on us by very powerful data-aggregating corporations.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Like how all the people who didn't get on the Apple Newton bandwagon got left behind?
- Victor Ganata
And the Segway. (P.S. I had a Newton, but bought with company money, not personal)
- Tinfoil 2.0
They have given priority to a pool of almost entirely white middle aged men, Alex, almost all of which have ties to IT powerhouses but very little notoriety outside the industry. In one fell swoop they managed to tick the boxes for "pretentious people with lives highly dissimilar to any 'regular' person" and "unattractive shit your dad wears." They also did ZERO prep work to prepare the...
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- Soup in a TARDIS
If it is actually a good thing and works well eventually the majority will get behind it. When cell phone companies switch their focus to something like this then you know it has taken off. Otherwise it will just be another fad
- Jason - The Opaque
from Android
I assume Glass uses massive amounts of bandwidth. I can't imagine data carriers being particularly enthusiastic that.
- Victor Ganata
They had a segment on APM Marketplace this morning about how the selective rollout was Google's way of trying to prepare people to adapt to changing social mores. I do think that people born in a world where they can't imagine life without the Internet have way different privacy expectations that those of us who remember a time before Facebook and YouTube.
- Victor Ganata
First generation products never capture markets in one fell swoop, anyway. Even the iPhone took a few iterations to grab all the marketshare, so maybe by the time Google Glass 3.0 rolls around, everyone will have jumped onto the face computer bandwagon.
- Victor Ganata
Isn't that interesting? iPhone has "all the marketshare"--Samsung and Google/Android must find that remarkable. And somewhat counterfactual.
- Walt Crawford
One thing that was immediately obvious to me during the NPR story: despite all of the gushing from Glass enthusiasts, there was only one they thing they could do wearing Glasses that they couldn't do with an ordinary smart phone. At this point, the marginal upgrade in capability and convenience doesn't seem to justify the cost, not to mention the privacy implications.
- Kevin (aka ThreadKilla)
Walt, I meant "all the marketshare" as in "all the marketshare that they've captured" (which is certainly a significant percentage) not literally 100% of the marketshare, which is, yeah, preposterous. But it's also clear that Samsung in particular has jumped whole-heartedly onto the touch screen smartphone bandwagon. Ignoring patent lawsuit judgments, can anyone really seriously argue that the current form factor of almost 100% of smartphones today wasn't somehow influenced by the first-generation iPhone?
- Victor Ganata
I do.
- Kevin (aka ThreadKilla)
I don't get Alex's comments, but I think I'm ahead of the game.
- Gimminy
You can take issue with "get left behind" all you want, shrug. Has nothing to do with being a luddite either. However, if two people are doing the same job and one person has a piece of equipment that gives them a significant edge, the other person will be left behind. Google Glass probably won't be as disruptive as that, but it's a V1 product. Same as the Newton. And the Newton wasn't a failure. The work done there ultimately led to things like the iPhone/iPad.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Until it becomes obvious what that "significant edge" actually is compared to a smartphone, I think I'll wait.
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
It's there in the NPR blog that I linked. The potential uses in medicine alone are huge.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Some possible examples. There's a medical app that allows a surgeon to map a patient's body. They can then see using their HUD (which is basically what Glass is) exactly where they need to cut, critical patient data and the surgery can be recorded for later review. A remote surgeon could also use the camera view to help an inexperience surgeon through a new procedure.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Potential != actual. Google may not necessarily be the first to actually implement those features. Personally, I'd wait until a company with medical device and healthcare IT experience gets involved, either with their own devices or in collaboration with Google.
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
You're arguing two different things, Alex. Google Glass isn't going to "leave people behind" because of uses and technologies that might result from it in the future. THOSE technologies might be revolutionary and wonderful, these arse-ugly glasses that are currently little more than a glorified cell phone and peep cam won't.
- Soup in a TARDIS
(Also, remote surgery already exists, just fyi)
- Soup in a TARDIS
I'm not arguing anything, to be honest.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
And don't worry. As soon as Apple comes out with a similar product most of the naysayers will forget they ever had issues.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Oh yeah, because THAT'S not an argumentative or combative comment.
- Soup in a TARDIS
Let's just hope that this isn't the Newton of this type of technology. It took like what, 15 years for us to go from Newton to a successful useful product that a critical mass could afford?
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Yes, this CONVERSATION is really just my yearly pon farr. Get ready to fight to the death while wearing Google Glass so the whole thing can be recorded. **cue's Star Trek fight music**
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
If we're talking about iOS vs Android or some other iOS deployed for use in the medical field, well, that's just a function of the critical mass of apps, where iOS has a head start. So, yeah, if Apple really does come out with something like Glass, it may very well be preferred in ORs and on the wards.
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
Does either company have a medical testing group? If not it probably won't be either company. That's a long complicated process.
- Todd Hoff
They don't really need to, Todd. These products are frameworks. Other companies that specialize in medicine can build apps for them and sell accordingly.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
The whole entire stack needs to be vetter from hardware on down and up. Unless they are indemnified it would be nuts to take somebody elses platform and put the years and millions in trials it would take to get approval.
- Todd Hoff
There will always be niche products that are truly great for what they're for. I don't think Google Glass is one of them. Certainly a well-designed, well-tested medical HUD device could be very useful... to certain people. But that has nothing to do with the merits (or lack thereof) of Glass, or the general population getting "left behind" for not adoptng some niche technology.
- Tinfoil 2.0
There's nothing to suggest that this will just be a niche technology.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I wouldn't buy an Apple Glass either, Alex, especially unless it had serious privacy protections. I don't use Siri. I rarely have Location Services turned on. I eschewe apps whenever possible, particularly if there's a perfectly fine web interfce. The issue isn't who makes it, it's how it's implemented, and how it treats the user AND (especially) others affected by it.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Well, it is niche unless or until no one is left behind :p
- Tinfoil 2.0
iPhone is not a niche product and there are plenty of people who don't or won't have one.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
But many of them have similar tech whcih means they aren't left behind in any tangible way.
- Tinfoil 2.0
And many others do not. There are still a significant number of people who don't have smart phones.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
1Q2013: "136.7 million people in the U.S. owned smartphones (58 percent mobile market penetration)" [http://www.comscore.com/Insight...] That's a pretty sizable proportion.
- Tinfoil 2.0
That's less than half the US. ~180 million people who don't currently have a smart phone is also a pretty sizeable amount.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Babies don't need phones. The majority of the US phone-buying market have smartphones. Seriously, is there anthing so unique about a smartphone that someone using a feature phone and computer (or tablet especially) wouldn't grok quickly enough - that current smartphone users also grok?
- Tinfoil 2.0
You can't grok what you don't have.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Most smartphone owners don't grok what they already have. But anyone who has used a tablet knows how to use a smartphone, except for voice, which is easy but is declining in use anyway.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Finally saw one in the wild today. Bigger & bulkier than I was expecting.
- ronin
I wouldn't buy apple-branded glass either. I think the whole concept is creepy. The tracking part, the taking photos part, plus I wear bifocals already. I also worry about this notion of people who don't get on board with google glass (or like products) will be "left behind" and that is somehow ok. We already have a huge section of the population left behind due to poverty and...
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- Soup in a TARDIS
Soup makes a good point. Tech can be as much of a power lever as money or data. We should be striving to provide equity of access to all power-differentiators, or the haves and have-nots will continue to diverge (with ruinous results probable). That doesn't mean Glass for everyone, just means scientific and technological literacy as a core piece of education.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Developers have definitely been building medical iOS apps and devices that connect to your iPhone/iPad, and they've been getting approved by the FDA. The companies behind them already have medical device experience, though. Apple doesn't seem to be into it directly, but iOS has a huge head start.
- Victor Ganata
The standards when dealing with human patients is exceedingly high. Pixuru is FDA approved, for example, and it allows customers to order framed prints of their own photos. A vision tester is another. Remote access of data. A radiology app. An EKG machine. Blood pressure. All trivial in the scheme of things. A device that can kill someone during a procedure has a lot of hoops to jump through. Look for this tech in easier to approve parts of the world before hits the US.
- Todd Hoff
Yeah, I don't really see GE, Medtronic, Siemens, or Philips necessarily going with either Apple or Google platforms for building medical devices, except for auxillary functions.
- Victor Ganata
Alex, I can grok smart phones perfectly fine. I don't fucking want it because of all the other shit attached that I would prefer not to have, plus I would hardly even use the thing if I did.
- Gimminy
Cristo, nice troll.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
The notion of getting left behind is worrisome. I don't think it's a stretch to imagine a distopian world where the rich have access to all sorts of technologies, implants, etc. and the poor continue to live in squalor.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Cristo, your view of this sort of thread is severely warped. This is a conversation. A discussion. It's not an argument. If you want an argument that room is down the hall. There's no right or wrong here, only possibilities.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
In all this let's remember that IBM showcased an almost identical product with tiny postage stamp screen close to eye clipped to an eyeglass frame over 10 years ago. Remember ubiquitous and wearable computers?!? Yeah! No body climbed on that train either
- WarLord
Well, except for all of those Nike Fuelband users, fitbit users, etc.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Here's an Ad for Google's Project Glass, from 2000 and Made by IBM http://www.geekosystem.com/ibm-wea... via @geekosystem
- WarLord
Except that IBM never actually made a product.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I've worn corrective lenses almost my entire life. I've watched my eyegl,ass wearing friends rush to contacts and even surgery to shed those bulky anoying frames and lenses - This attitude is a big barrier for Glass to get over. The plus will have to be astonishing to overcome this minus
- WarLord
Probably...then again, the technology to do this on a contact lens will get here eventually. Or just build it all into an Ironman like suit. I'm pretty sure that if someone could look like Ironman for $200, a lot of people would be paying for that.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
IBM were debuting a product, - mthey made a hands on demo to a portable computer project I was working on in St Paul over 10 years ago. So yeah Alex IBM did in fact have a beyond beta hardware package which is I guess what we arer discussing woth Google
- WarLord
My brother didn't have a picture of himself taken with it in the shower, therefore it did not exist.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
If your point is that this tech has been in the works for a very long time, yep, no doubt. Just like how digital hearing aids physically filled a large room when first built in the 80s. Technology is much more often evolutionary than revolutionary.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
WarLord, I remember that ad on TV :)
- Tinfoil 2.0
Being reminded in various ways that Steele was more than right in saying "It's not always about you"--that most of the time I'm entirely irrelevant to whatever's going on, despite my best efforts and intentions. Which, I suppose, describes most of us much of the time. (Time to go offline and go to lunch, I guess.)
maʀtha liked this
Wait, let me have that sandwich. Who said it's for you? :p
- barbara fister
Too late. (And it wasn't a sandwich, it was General's Chicken with hot & sour soup and assorted fried rice, at my favorite family-run local Chinese restaurant. Same as ever Monday, actually.)
- Walt Crawford
And, barbara, you're one of those who keep me from saying "The hell with it." There are a few dozen others, mostly on FF.
- Walt Crawford
Well. One of the things I've learned since graduating library school is that sometimes "the hell with it" is the right and appropriate thing to say.
- RepoRat
Yep. And sometimes it isn't. I'm not ready to say "the hell with it" for overall involvement in/writing about libraries, open whatever, etc. Individual issues: Yes, done that at times, will in the future.
- Walt Crawford
liking for barbara's comment :) heehee
- maʀtha
So: "American Society of Science and Engineering." Real society or "predatory" OA conference-and-journal thingie? Only five journals so far (but many, many conferences), but they all begin in 2013 and have, I think, two articles each. (No, I won't look at Beall's nonsense.) Alerted by:...
Or, if that didn't stick, http://info-research.blogspot.com/2013...
- Walt Crawford
Hmmm. Seems bogus to me. I wouldn't do any business with them, but that is just me.
- Joe Boone
just based on that post, my bogus-meter is pegged on "OH HELL NAW."
- RepoRat
Yep. I did a little checking; Google street view seems to think there's a bank at the address given; membership is $50/year but charged three years at a time. And the English on the "Indiana" website is...chancy.
- Walt Crawford
Saw this, thought you might be interested: https://magpielibrarian.wordpress.com/2013.... Much commenting. BTW: ". . . and outfitted in fine woolen suits." May I please now switch to seersucker?
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woolen suits!
- barbara fister
I've been sort-of following that maze of threads on Facebook (ALATT group). Even added a fact at one point. Two, actually. (As one of few non-librarians in the discussion, I will avoid noting who does & doesn't actually look something up...)
- Walt Crawford
Not this fucking story. Not here.
- Andy
I think maybe I'm in agreement with Andy on this one--maybe letting it ferment in FB is appropriate.
- Walt Crawford
Looks like Magpie and HuffPo author deserve each other.
- Steele Lawman
Seriously, in the nineties here. Someone needs to say something clever we can use as a new tagline.
- maʀtha
^^^^ second sentence, new tagline?
- Andy
I've said it before, I'll say it again: oh, librarians.
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We're something else, aren't we?
- Zamms
indeed.
- holly #ravingfangirl
Rosenblum?
- Chelle Chelle Ro Ro
yeah
- holly #ravingfangirl
Oh, that. Eh. *shrugs*
- Katy S
No, no, please, leave Rosenblum at FF's parent (FB). We don't need that mess here...
- Walt Crawford
oh, i am right there with you, walt. this was just a general lament, not a call to debate. :)
- holly #ravingfangirl
They have the most organized and imaginative minds. They have hidden unfulfilled fantasies too, lol.
- SophiaAnne88
uh.
- holly #ravingfangirl
So, that took a turn.
- Jennifer Dittrich
wow.
- Bren
First milestone on The Big Deal and the Damage Done: Now in double-digit sales. (If it hits triple digits, there will probably be a 2012 followup.) Including two sales each in Canada and the UK. Since my only promise to my wife was that the book would sell well enough to cover the cost of my own paperback copy, it's a good start.
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Good title
- maʀtha
Is there any chance we could unglue this? I'd love to force it upon people who may not want to read it but should.
- barbara fister
I would be in like Flynn. Want my students to read this.
- RepoRat
I think unglue.it only works with titles that have been Traditionally Published but a) I could be wrong and b) anyway that's no reason we couldn't do the same thing separately from them.
- Deborah Fitchett
If you mean "for a given price, would I make the PDF version free"? The answer is...Absolutely. And that price would assure that a 2012 version gets done. I'm still considering something-like-Kickstartr for a second (and much improved) version of Give Us a Dollar..., and certainly a sponsored/prepaid version of this is reasonable.
- Walt Crawford
The question is how that could actually happen. Not sure the unglue.it technique will work. Ideas welcome.
- Walt Crawford
what's your concern about unglue.it?
- RepoRat
I don't have a concern about unglue.it, but I'm assuming that Deborah's right. If it *would* work, that's OK too. (If the end result is a $0.00 Lulu PDF--which Lulu still supports--or mounting the PDF elsewhere.)
- Walt Crawford
oh, I see. well, I can have a chat with Andromeda Yelton. :)
- RepoRat
I just looked at the unglue.it FAQs. It appears to *require* an EPUB that "meets our quality standards"--and an EPUB would require quite a bit more work for me (as in, right now I don't know how I'd do that), and it seems that rightsholders are expected to do the publicity and come up with all sorts of premiums.
- Walt Crawford
So: Not ruling anything out, but there are definitely some hurdles. Of course, if I had appropriate ongoing sponsorship or appropriate revenue-producing affiliation, most of this would be moot: I'd cheerfully give the stuff away for the good of the community. (Or, hell, if the Fed wasn't so actively punishing savers...)
- Walt Crawford
happy to epub it for you, Walt. and i would happily put you in touch with Andromeda to talk about publicity/premiums/etc.
- jambina
All possible. Of course, so far only 11 people have thought it worth $9.99 or $16.50 to read it, so this all may be a little premature.
- Walt Crawford
Depends on what the market actually is. I haven't bought in because I don't personally need the details... but I'd damn straight pay to unglue it, because then it would be there for All The Librarians and All The Students and All The Faculty.
- RepoRat
Realistically, though, would enough people do that to bring in, say, $6,000 (plus costs of unglue.it and premiums)? I know that 80% of publishing campaigns on Kickstartr fail... And just having it available for free on unglue.it doesn't mean it *reaches* the librarians and students and faculty. If the market is, say, 50 copies for a nominal $9.99 a copy but LOTS OF COPIES if it's free...
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- Walt Crawford
And yes, that thought has come to mind: If it's important [ACRL |ARL | IMLS | Gates | SPARC | OCLC | whoever...] would already be doing it, so it must not be important.
- Walt Crawford
FYI I'm talking with Andromeda and have sent her a link to this thread.
- RepoRat
Hi, it's Eric from Unglue.it. Sounds like the book has been published, so no problem there. We've had print books converted to high quality epub for $500, so that shouldn't be a huge barrier; there are programs (such as that used by Internet archive) that turn PDF into epub automatically; if you know html you can do cleanup by hand. If you prefer to hire someone, I suggest asking for a quote on bibliocrunch.com- you can do conversion contingent on campaign success.
- Eric Hellman
Also PDF-only is OK if the work has a huge amount of layout that won't work well in epub.
- Eric Hellman
Eric: The book is *mostly* figures and tables (94 graphs and 58 tables). In fact, there's only about 19,000 words of text. It strikes me that PDF-to-EPUB is the wrong way to go if I do this--if I was doing a Kindle version, I'd work from Word (striking running headers & footers), which would be a snap assuming Kindle's conversion managed the reintegration of the 94 figures properly.
- Walt Crawford
I suspect the more important issues are setting a price, how much of my time/effort is required for a campaign, and like that.
- Walt Crawford
LSW whip-round for premiums, mebbe? I don't have a whole lot to offer that's tangible, but I can talk to cont-ed about seats in one of my classes. I could even offer a daylong zero-honorarium expenses-only training trip, though I'd want that to be for a pretty big donation! (Tailored webinar for smaller donation also fine; I could offer 3-5 of these?)
- RepoRat
Word to Epub is even easier.https://www.google.com/search...
- Eric Hellman
in addition to the methods suggested by google, also consider Smashwords- you get distribution there as well.
- Eric Hellman
I'm off to hike shortly. Lemme think about this. If you've been reading my blog lately, you can already guess the likely <net> price. It may be worth pursuing. (I like the idea that a 2012 version would be more-or-less guaranteed.)
- Walt Crawford
If you decide to go the crowdfunding route, remember that the funds you can raise reflect your social capital rather than anything about the book itself. Average your pageviews per week and your social media followers, and that's more or less the social capital you can draw on.
- Eric Hellman
Eric: My social capital is...peculiar. My blog has absurdly high pageviews (average 5,360/day this year), for reasons unknown. On Facebook, I have 245 Friends and 29 Followers (and almost no activity). Here, I have 208 subscribers--probably the most meaningful number. (LinkedIn? 290, I think. Google+? 497, I think. Twitter, 128. But I'm only really active here.)
- Walt Crawford
Oh, and Klout currently has me at 43--nowhere near, say, Sarah Glassmeyer or Michael Sauer. Anyway: Got a message from Andromeda. I'll be pondering this in the next day or two.
- Walt Crawford
Walt, does the book not have an ISBN? I was unable to find it on LuLu.
- Eric Hellman
Eric: The book does not have an ISBN, since I wanted to keep it cheap so didn't plan on non-Lulu distribution. You should have no trouble finding it on Lulu, either searching for Walt Crawford or for Big Deal Damage (without "damage," some other books show up first). (Just tried it: with big deal damage as a search, the two versions are the first two results.)
- Walt Crawford
Folks in general: So far, nobody's added a comment to my blog post or sent me email suggesting the kind of premiums that might work. Other than custom group profiles or signed copies of the limited number of author's copies of my two most recent professionally-published books, I need suggestions...both for their own good and as indications of widespread interest.
- Walt Crawford
Hmm. Come to think of it, I could also offer signed copies of my older professionally-published books, about two dozen in all, but since there are typically only one or two of each book, it would be an odd offering (most of these are OP and unavailable--and more memories than useful).
- Walt Crawford
I have an open educational resources project that will produce a physical object (an "artist" book) assuming I manage to complete it. Producing more than one isn't difficult once the initial work is done and I'd be willing to donate a copy or two for a good cause.
- Rebecca Hedreen
Walt, you do realize that libraries are non-Lulu distribution, don't you? Unglue.it cannot at present handle items that claim to be books that don't have isbns or oclc numbers, or are in Google Books. Let me know if this is an issue for you, as we have remedies.
- Eric Hellman
Eric: If you mean libraries can't buy from Lulu, I'll suggest that's not true. I can, of course, get an ISBN if I want to issue a new edition--but a Lulu ISBN has to stay with Lulu. I'd guess there will be an OCLC number for the book pretty soon. Oh, wait: There already is: 841810944 - U.Missouri cataloged an ebook copy RAPIDLY!
- Walt Crawford
Rebecca, Thanks--as with RR, I may take you up on the offer, although it feels a little odd to have other people providing the premiums. (This whole thing's a little odd for me, probably why I never actually tried Kickstartr for a project...I need to become more entrepreneurial, tough at my advanced age.)
- Walt Crawford
Walt- Can libraries buy ebooks from Lulu? Also, an OCLC number makes it work with unglue.it
- Eric Hellman
I hear Neil Young singing this title everytime
- maʀtha
Eric: I don't see why libraries can't buy ebooks from Lulu as well as anybody else can (I'm pretty sure they do). And, as noted, the book now has an OCLC number, 841810944
- Walt Crawford
For everybody except self-publishers, Lulu is a big online bookstore, with a few million titles, selling print books, ebooks, calendars and other stuff. On the other hand, Lulu won't invoice and do all that stuff, so *some* libraries may have difficulties. (Isn't that true with Amazon as well?)
- Walt Crawford
[Note: I made a "more standard" version of Give Us a Dollar... available via Amazon, with ISBN and everything, using CreateSpace. To date, that version has sold two (2) copies, compared to the 81 sold through Lulu for editions that don't have ISBNs. I know at least some and probably most of those sales are to libraries.]
- Walt Crawford
Update: I now have a response from Andromeda about my first-cut goals & premiums. Here's how I would summarize the response (although possibly not what was intended): "1. Become an extrovert. 2. Become more of an extrovert. 3. Become an entrepreneur. 4. Start calling lots of those close friends you have--you do have lots of close friends you'd call personally, right?--to promote this....
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- Walt Crawford
I'll look at this again shortly, but it looks much as I saw it for successful and unsuccessful Kickstarter campaigns: These are tools for extroverts/entrepreneurs.
- Walt Crawford
OK, here's where things stand. I've responded to Andromeda at some length. I just don't see how unglue.it can work for me, as an introvert without a Huge Social Network who hates the phone and doesn't much care for begging friends, and who's neither a self-promoter nor a marketer. Which does NOT mean that the "free version" is out of the question--there's another, simpler way, which I'll probably propose in a few days.
- Walt Crawford
[Gotta admit, Eric H. hasn't helped matters--as always seemed to be the case when we interacted years ago, he seems to me to regard me as an amiable incompetent, and while he may be right, that doesn't make me want to jump through hoops to give away my work on his terms.]
- Walt Crawford
So, we had to improve our code a bit, for reasons not really related to TBDATDD, but it has an unglue.it page: https://unglue.it/work/120545/ People can now "wish" for the book, so you can assess the feasibililty of ungluing it without any particular commitment.
- Eric Hellman
As far as "amiable incompetent" is concerned, I've always regarded you as neither amiable nor incompetent! "Aways-correct curmudgeon" would be a better statement of my impression of you.
- Eric Hellman
Also, it's funny, but Andromeda is quite a lot like Walt!
- Eric Hellman
I don't know about this "Geography of Hate" map and their methodology of using Twitter geolocation. It looks almost exactly like a population density map. http://users.humboldt.edu/mstephe...
It kind of makes sense that whereever there are more people, there are more racists and homophobes, no?
- Victor Ganata
Or maybe it's really mapping Internet access.
- Victor Ganata
Doesn't "normalized by number of tweets" account for that?
- ʎəlɹoɯ uəʞ
Their sample sizes aren't very large, it seems.
- Victor Ganata
But the alignment with population density is pretty stark. It even preserves the 98th meridian/I-35 division.
- Victor Ganata
Yeah, right. Chicago doesn't have much homophobia?
- Joe Boone
Based on the submenus, I was also wondering just how the folks at CSU Humboldt are classifying tweets. *Existence* of the word "queer" in a tweet is most certainly not proof of homophobia! Esp. if it's, say, from SF.
- Walt Crawford
I'm sure everybody knows by now that the small maps are not only meaningless but wildly misleading. And I'm wondering more and more about the zoomed-in maps...
- Walt Crawford
Today while Sunday Librarianing, I start Project Digitize Binders From My Formal Education:
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Whee?
- LB: #TeamMonique
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oh, now that's a good idea. are you scanning to PDF or what?
- Marie
Yep, scanning to PDF
- lris
So far, I found the toast I gave to my baby brother in speech class, and my "electronic communications" class wherein I learned to save files and change fonts in WordPerfect 7 during the week labeled "Power tools and system software."
- lris
88 pages of notes from taking my dad's super-scary required course as a sophomore.
- lris
Freshman and Sophomore years done. Only 6 more years to go...
- lris
Digitize and dispose of?
- Steele Lawman
yes
- lris
this is a very good idea. I wonder if I could get my husband to agree to it. At least for the dang Chinese he hasn't looked at in twenty years.
- RepoRat
I'm about to chuck out my notes from undergrad. So long Old Saxon, Middle Dutch, and Middle High German. Well... maybe not Middle Dutch. My translations of Eulenspiegel are hilarious.
- kendrak
I did the same thing years and years ago. Except I didn't scan them first. In many cases, I didn't take them first.
- Steele Lawman
Iris helped me throw mine out a few years go. i haven't missed them a bit
- maʀtha
Every now and then I go through all my stuff and toss a little more. There are some things I'm glad I've kept, but most are just food for silverfish.
- Deborah Fitchett
steve, if i find the notebook of the nazi history class i took where you can clearly see where i fell asleep each week, i'll scan a page. i eventually gave up towards the end.
- kendrak
"Food for silverfish" is going to be my new nasty epithet
- maʀtha
you people don't move often enough if you've still got that stuff.
- DJF
i'm still in the same apartment i lived in when i took some of those classes!
- kendrak
I've moved several times...
- lris
I threw out most of my notes from college and grad school. In fact, I remember burning physics notes.
- Laura H.
Oh yes, I had a burning notes party with some of my friends from my math class. Good times. :-)
- lris
I had no idea people kept notes. I rarely kept them in class. (Hello, soulmate Steve!)
- barbara fister
To be fair, I was a theatre major and spent most of my time pretending I was a lion or pretending I knew how to use a pneumatic nail gun, or something like that. Can't put that kind of real-world experience in a binder.
- Steele Lawman
All I have from my formal education is my undergrad dissertation, my Masters dissertation, and a few notes from my library course.
- Pete #TeamMonique
Who would win in a fight, a giant silverfish with a binder in each claw, or a lion with a nail gun?
- Jason P
I used to take all my notes home and dump them in my childhood bedroom. That backfired when my mom made me bring them all home with me when I moved them to La Crosse. I spent a long weekend reliving most of college, which brought down the amount of paperwork considerably. Still need to plug in my scanner and get the rest of it digitized.
- Hedgehog
DJF, I moved 14 times in 10 years, and I still have all that crap.
- laura x
The last time (15 years ago or more) that I had to scan important documents, the OCR capability proved pretty marginal. I'm guessing that they've improved substantially? At the time I mostly just tossed stuff, cases and cases of stuff, because we were moving from Seattle to the Twin Cities and my spouse said "No way we're moving all of that crap." Haven't missed it since.
- Jkram|ɯɐɹʞſ
And yes, the silverfish factor played a role in my decision.
- Jkram|ɯɐɹʞſ
It's been a lot of fun looking at some of this stuff again. Who knows if I'll look at it ever again, but maybe in another 10 or 15 years I'll page through again and have another nostalgia fest.
- lris
my eternal problem is figuring out what undergrad English texts to keep or give away. Even though I don't really like classic literature, I'm always so conflicted about "but it's Norton's Anthology of [whatever], it's classic!"
- MontglaneChess
Oh yeah. I still have my Nortons. I will NEVER read them. Even if I want to read things in them, I'd read them in separate volumes.
- lris
What barbara sez. Class over: Notes gone.
- Walt Crawford
Burning math and physics notes. Blasphemy, I tell ya.
- Joe Boone
Burning chemistry notes, on the other hand, seems entirely appropriate. Even better if you could get them to explode or dissolve somehow.
- Steele Lawman
Hydrochloric acid should do the trick.
- Joe Boone
I took notes in lecture/exam courses but not really in discussion/project courses. I kept all my papers, though, except the ones from one course. I wish I hadn't tossed those because there was a lot of drama surrounding that course and I want to remember what I actually wrote.
- lris
I have notes I took in GRADE SCHOOL.
- laura x
I would be such a terrible archivist. I throw away ALL THE THINGS. Wait, maybe I would be a half-good archivist.
- barbara fister
RT @waldojaquith: When are futurists and analysts going to apologize for their bullshitting about Second Life back around 2007?
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Dunno why anyone thought that making something harder to do would stay a thing indefinitely.
- Mary B: #TeamMonique
Perhaps worth noting: ACRL has a Virtual World Interest Group, that apparently recently "met" on Imagination Island. So there are certainly still believers, even within ALA.
- Walt Crawford
I am so fucking sick of Guy Kawasaki.
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What's he done lately? Overall, I think I might take him over Farhad Ubiquitous Manjoo...
- Walt Crawford
Nothing but a steaming mess of Twitterhea.
- Laura Norvig
I need to unfollow that douche. And to think I used to think he had something to say ...
- Laura Norvig
He's been a ghost since at least 2008, I think he actually has 2-3 people behind his Twitter account.
- Gimminy
Ha, just went to Twitter and his was the first tweet in my stream. I unfollowed. It feels soooo good.
- Laura Norvig
He admitted a few years ago that he uses interns to tweet on his account. And I agree he's a douche.
- Trish R
All he cares about is his follower count. I used to think of him as someone who knew about agile business practices and social media. Now he just tweets about everything and anything.
- Laura Norvig
[redacted drive by Cristo comment]
- Laura Norvig
Thanks. Excellent answers. I never followed him, so I've been spared.
- Walt Crawford
I also don't like that he tweets the same thing more than once in a day.
- Joe Boone
I followed him mostly because I thought he was handsome
- MiniMage
He doesn't retweet what others post, and he doesn't seem to at reply very often, but at least he does sometimes.
- Joe Boone
I heard him talk as featured speaker at a Highwire Members Spring Meeting last year. Was very unimpressed. His whole (unprepared) talk was explaining/bragging about how he got a high follower count by... you guessed it, using interns and tweeting everything 3 times per day.
- Heather Piwowar
I was thinking somebody (or pref. group) really does need to start an ethical Predatory Publishers List--but a better definition of predatory is needed. Splitting journals, lots of new journals, phony "sponsored" journals, republishing articles, excessive page charges, double-dipping...
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[And I hear folks from Emerald, T&F, Elsevier saying "isolated incidents, we're the GOOD GUYS, we're PROFESSIONAL PUBLISHERS..."]
- Walt Crawford
... that's a pretty good idea.
- RepoRat
And the group that does it needs to be Scholars With Credentials, I think. (Ducks and runs.) Preferably scholars within libraries... and yes, I actually am more than half-serious about this. It might redeem a useful term from its currently debased state.
- Walt Crawford
It sounds vaguely like Retraction Watch. I mean, you could have a similar format.
- Meg V. Meg
I was thinking the same thing, Meg.
- RepoRat
i love you people
- jambina
Sarah, you're connected -- any of your groups willing to take a project like this under their wing? I'd just as soon warn off barratry addicts if possible.
- RepoRat
*want* (cannot help create)
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
"Publication Watch" lol
- Meg V. Meg
Only if it's going to be a periodical--altho' getting an ISSN for an e-only publication is so easy even I was able to do it (13 years ago, for C&I, at no cost, took maybe five minutes).
- Walt Crawford
Want, also. I'd be willing to help, if I can.
- Grumpator
Let me make it clear: 1. I think this is a great idea. 2. I know better than to offer to help, for several reasons, some of them probably obvious.
- Walt Crawford
This is a great idea - a cross between "retraction watch" and "regret the error" but for journal titles (TA and OA) that pull stupid journal tricks.. I'm in. Can we do it as a blog? Start with some overall "here's the problem" and add new examples as they arise?
- barbara fister
"Stupid Journal Tricks" gets my vote for title.
- Grumpator
we're trying to wrest the P-word away from Beall, though.
- RepoRat
How about a blog titled Annals of Predatory Publishing Practices?
- barbara fister
Just call it APEX ;) (Adumbrations of Predation Experience)
- Pete #TeamMonique
(So many of our students pronounce it "Anal.")
- barbara fister
Whatever we call it, it needs to have an awesome TLA or FLA.
- Joe Boone
Don't we have LSW hosting somewhere with a WPMU installation? (Was it Josh Neff's baby?) Could we just do a WP installation there. I would be happy to do legwork if someone wants to give me the carkeys to the site...
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
I have been holding out hope for "Aliens vs Predatory Journals".
- Andy
^^^^^^^^ I endorse this.
- RepoRat
(rolls sleeves up) I'm in. Bit of a techno-dolt, but will contribute labor.
- barbara fister
And honestly? the sooner the better. The guy made page A1 of the New York Times for cripes sake. There needs to be a credible alternative.
- barbara fister
Imma wait to hear back from Sarah. I'd like this to have organizational backing beyond the LSW. After that, though, I'm totally in.
- RepoRat
Where I *can* help--down the road: If there's a reputable site with reputable, transparent criteria and reputable postings, I'll certainly promote it as a reputable way to look at publisher problems. As opposed to the disreputable way, only suitable for True Beallievers.
- Walt Crawford
I'm excited about this - and yes, willing to wait and see if there's other interest out there for org. backing.
- barbara fister
Perfume inserts in magazines are the work of Satan.
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Agreed.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
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Yes.
- Tinfoil 2.0
they kill me.Sets off my asthma . You can order them without I've heard.
- VALZ/TEAM TRAVIS
Maybe, sometimes, depends. Conde Nast Traveler did send an insert-free version...for a while (my wife has asthma). Then they stopped. Now I just go through magazines when they arrive, flipping for thick pages, and rip out any perfume inserts...
- Walt Crawford
I don't want to feed your probably incorrect assumptions and stereotypes about Canada, but there is a maple syrup stand in this airport.
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duty-free?
- RepoRat
don't cha know eh?
- SteVe C
That's the one thing I told MAN to bring me back from Canada ... said he couldnt find any. I'm guessing he didnt think to look at the airport, lol.
- Shannon - GlassMistress
Maybe that's to feed the stereotypes of tourists to Canada.
- Rebecca Hedreen
Seems to me SFO and San Jose gift shops all heavily feature California wines and Ghirardelli's adequate-but-local chocolate, so I don't see anything unusual about this. (I'd bet Vermont's airports also feature maple syrup, but since I've never been...)
- Walt Crawford
Are you in Montreal or Quebec City? Quebec does produce some 60-70% of the world's maple syrup.
- Brent Schaus
from iPhone
Vancouver's airport also sells maple syrup. Basically any tourist area in Vancouver will have shops that sell maple syrup. Also, you can buy it in stores too, of course.
- Andrew C (✓)
Minnesota also sells Maple Syrup at "Love From Minnesota" Shops including MSP airport
- WarLord
It's a canadian icon, i don't think canadians would consider it as stereotyping if you associate them with Maple syrup :)))
- پروتژه
They've been tapping the many trees down the block for weeks now, so I'd best not cast any aspersions.
- Jkram|ɯɐɹʞſ
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[I will preface by saying I am not planning another massive stand against the oligarchy, this is a thought problem] If a library accustomed to having ScienceDirect's Freedom Col. suddenly lost that access, what would you suggest it be replaced with? Is there a content solution? An ethical preference? Are they different things? Is it a lost cause?
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Like going from the freedom collection to zero ? Ouch! You can't replace the whole platform, you have to look at the individual journal subs to see which are important and see what alternatives are out there for those.
- Christina Pikas
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We just went from the Freedom Collection to limited subscriptions, with some beefed up ILL support for the cancelled titles. We looked at usage, key titles, etc. I've heard very few complaints from anyone. We had more trouble during the transition (Elsevier cut us off earlier than expected, we had link resolver problems, and still a little confusion over exactly what we have), but...
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- Rebecca Hedreen
You've both hit on the things that I thought of -- title by title subs, ILL support, document delivery options -- and I'm just sort of hoping someone will say there's another major player in that covers the ground the Freedom Collection covers. I suspect i want a unicorn riding a turtle supported on the backs of elephants.
- Jenica
Wiley and Springer are the next big science publishing outfits, but their journals do not replace the Elsevier content as you know. That is the problem with published research, and they know that they have a monopoly on the content. An article on lung cancer from one journal does not replace another similar but unique article on lung cancer from a different journal. They are not like cars or toasters.
- Joe Boone
I wonder if Elsevier still has an article token system, where the U could buy X numbers of tokens so that either patrons or library staff could download articles and use up tokens as the year goes on.
- Joe Boone
Joe - do you remember - a few years ago at SLA someone talked about dropping their big deal with Elsevier and going to only tokens. Who was it? I think for them it was a bust - they spent way more... I guess not carefully managed. The fungibility of scholarly journals - there is no fungibility... There are lots of crap journals packaged in the freedom collection but it might turn out that getting them is cheaper than the individual prices of just those ones you really want.
- Christina Pikas
We didn't drop Elsevier, but we did drop wiley packages in favor of wiley tokens. And yes, unmediated, we went through them at a ridiculous pace. This year we're trying again with mediated access, so we'll see how that goes.
- lris
I think it might have been Cynthia Holt at GWU, but I think she might be at GMU now. That might have been circa 2006?
- Joe Boone
Thanks for the perspectives, y'all. it helps me frame this up in my mind. (I still want an elephant-and-turtle-riding unicorn. Damn.)
- Jenica
Given that Elsevier and Wiley and... presumably know how many articles are being read, is there much doubt that a token offer will wind up costing you at least as much as you're paying now? If there's one thing they're not, it's casual about leaving money on the table.
- Walt Crawford
Jenica wants to see an elephant and a turtle riding on a unicorn? Damn, that would be a funny sight. Someone to please photoshop that up quick.
- Joe Boone
We just decided to dump a handful of T&F journals. We'll buy articles if needed. The average cost per view was over $50. Those "essential" titles turn out not to be so important after all.
- barbara fister
when we look at cost per use, i'm always interested in trying to assess the difference between students who needed exactly those five articles they downloaded, and the students who needed five articles, any five articles, and downloaded the ones that were easy to get. which is tangential to the argument re: fungibility of scholarship, but always a challenge in your generic liberal arts college environment.
- Jenica
Right there is that. I'm coming from a research lab with no students so I often forget. We did get fussed at for dropping a t&f remote sensing jnl bit it was 3k/yr for a total of fewer than 20 articles. We explained and the user agreed
- Christina Pikas
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It Didn’t Work for Phil Ochs, It Doesn’t Work for Jeffrey Beall - http://walt.lishost.org/2013...
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Does someone have a copy of the 2013 "Predatory OA" paper of Beall? Sounds like a fun read.
- Egon Willighagen
It has taken me three years to go from being interested in Jeffrey Beall's analyses of journals (http://journalology.blogspot.co.uk/2010...) to rolling my eyes every time he comments on Open Access.
- Matt Hodgkinson
Walt, yes. If you unglue it, I'll contribute and encourage others to also, for sure. Be sure to set a minimum level that makes you happy, though.
- Heather Piwowar
Egon: Since the serials crisis is over and everybody has access to all the subscription serials they could possibly read, you must--MUST--be able to read Beall's article. Of course, I can't (not without paying $23.68, an oddly specific sum), but that's because I'm one of those nonexistent unaffiliated folks who don't matter.
- Walt Crawford
Heather: I will do that. So far, I've received 0 email and 0 comments on the post itself, but it's early yet.
- Walt Crawford
I'm just puzzled. He's a librarian right? At a university? Who presumably has to argue for a budget? Which he's just lost all leverage over for ever and for all time because "there is no problem"? Am I missing something?
- Cameron Neylon
He's at the University of Colorado Denver Auraria Library. If his ScholComm role is similar to the one at my uni, he doesn't actually have any collection development responsibilities or a budget to manage. How the UCD electronic resources and collection development librarians feel about what he's saying would be very interesting to know.
- Hedgehog
"Jeffrey is the Scholarly Initiatives Librarian at Auraria Library." http://people.auraria.edu/Jeffrey... I think his background is as a metadata/cataloger.
- Joe Boone
yes, he started out as a cataloger. He previously had a holy war against Dublin Core and argued for MARC.
- Sarah
Which may make me indirectly partly responsible for him (except that I never argued *against* DC), for which I apologize. Come to think of it: I never argued *for* MARC except to say that if you're going to call it MARC, you should know what you're talking about.
- Walt Crawford
I'd give a lot to read his tenure file.
- Steele Lawman
I think I am detecting a tendency towards high profile tilting against windmills as a consequence of "being on t'internets" which seems to lead to highly polarized positions being taken up. Profile building seems to require taking extreme, even archetypal positions.</potCallingKettleBlack>
- Cameron Neylon
Cameron, indeed. The more "extreme" your statement, the higher the impact. And because it is hard to find new scientific results that are extreme, people focus on things around science. (or make new science finding sound more extreme than they are... which is *very* common deep inside the publishing world, as we all know)
- Egon Willighagen
Hrm. And here I was thinking Beall might not have actually said something as bizarre as that there's no need for OA because the serials crisis is over. (Since I was seeing the quote second-hand in a Current Cites annotation from a toll journal.) But nope: http://scholarlyoa.com/2013...
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This makes me feel that my new book is more important than ever, since Beall does show up in Important Places like NYT.
- Walt Crawford
That crazy wingnut. He actually thinks that the big deal solved the serials crisis. I think I heard a Springer rep once say last year the the serials crisis is over because of the Big Deal. Ha.
- Joe Boone
The former CEO of Elsevier notoriously said that the serials crisis ended in 2004 because of the Big Deal. And it's true that the percentage increase in academic library current serials expenditures has been less since 2002 than it was from 2000 to 2002. Still wildly unsustainable, but less.
- Walt Crawford
Walt, your book got mentioned in the comments. He declined to address your points and data.
- Joe Boone
I commented (it's not up now, so I assume he's moderating) and somehow didn't use any words you can't say on TV. Proud of myself.
- Steele Lawman
Oh, he "addressed" them: "I think you’ve got it backwards. He should have read the sources I cite first." Most of which I had in fact read. Clearly, to Beall, good quotable mostly-publisher sources are *far* more important than, you know, actual facts, which I had the misfortune of working with. If STM says THE CRISIS IS SOLVED, who are mere mortals to say otherwise? Geez...
- Walt Crawford
I've added a reply to his reply. It's awaiting moderation, which means it doesn't get posted until he's had time to dream up a non-response.
- Walt Crawford
[Actually, he's already made the "response"--libraries are getting more articles per dollar than they used to, even though most of the articles may be wholly irrelevant to them, so sustainability, etc., must bow down in the face of MORE STUFF!]
- Walt Crawford
jeezus, Rick Anderson of all people demolished that argument, like, a week ago. http://lj.libraryjournal.com/2013...
- RepoRat
Not sure if he hasn't approved my comment, or if I messed up submitting the comment (it was 1AM or something). I pointed out that his sources are pretty suspect, as is his cherry-picking of the quotations. He quotes Odlyzko as saying, “Publishers, through the oft-reviled “Big Deal” packages, are providing much greater and more egalitarian access to the journal literature, an...
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- Steele Lawman
Thank you, Steve.
- RepoRat
Thanks? Not sure why but you are welcome. I'm trying to post a comment again; we'll see what happens.
- Steele Lawman
For engaging Beall cogently? Hell yeah that's worth thanks. Mike Taylor just woodshedded him too: http://svpow.com/2013...
- RepoRat
People don't know that Beall is a lunatic? (Hmm, I think I have asked this before.)
- Steele Lawman
Folks in the know do. Lots of folks still not in the know. Beall has credibility he totally shouldn't.
- RepoRat
Yep - sadly I've been seeing more and more people here take him seriously.
- Sarah
Though this post may help people to take him less seriously!
- Sarah
Why am I surprised he isn't posting my comment? Really, I don't think it's much harder on him than others he has already posted.
- Steele Lawman
He only wants to attack one private Colorado IHE at a time?
- Walt Crawford
Heh. Could be.
- Steele Lawman
A vague bit of old home week: "TC Cribs" visited LinkedIn--which took over the last RLG headquarters when RLG was something other than a handful of OCLC employees. (When I was there, RLG had 2/3 of the lower floor, LinkedIn all of the upper floor at 2029 Stierlin. They've grown. A lot! Including, of course, the rest of the building...)...
Some of it still looks vaguely the same; they might (?) have retained some of the whiteboards and cubicles...
- Walt Crawford
If the link didn't embed properly: http://techcrunch.com/2013...
- Walt Crawford
That's better :) Canuckistan... - http://www.visitedstatesmap.com/view-pr...
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Thanks, Anne!
- Brent Schaus
from Bookmarklet
You're welcome, Brent. :)
- Anne Bouey
You have something against the Northwest ans Yukon Territories? :^)
- Friar Ticket to Ride
Not to mention Newfoundland and Labrador
- Friar Ticket to Ride
Yep. Far away. I'd go in a heartbeat, though :)
- Brent Schaus
Certainly better than I've done--altho', come to think of it, I may have been in the Yukon Territories briefly during an Alaska trip. (Otherwise: Ontario, BC, that's it.)
- Walt Crawford
One cross-country trip along the Trans-Canada takes care of a lot of them lol. Did that a few times during my wandering years . . .
- Brent Schaus
The Big Deal and the Damage Done - http://walt.lishost.org/2013...
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Just ordered my own paperback copy that I'll donate to my library after reading it.
- Stephen le Francoeur
Thanks.
- Walt Crawford
me too
- Sarah
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Just curious- is taking pictures of slides considered OK at your conferences? It would get you a beat down at mine (well, as much as a beat down as a bunch of environmental scientists can muster...more like hardy admonishments)
- sglassme
Varies across disciplines. At a library conference, nobody would blink. Humanities conference, nobody would *care*. Many science fields with elevated scooping fears, it's considered uncool (though sometimes happens anyway).
- RepoRat
Just realized my impression of admonishing environmental scientists is similar to my impression of upset Fench men. Lots of nasally "hwa hwa hwa" mumbles.
- Sarah G.
People can photograph my BIALL presentation. It's all CC licenced images.
- Pete #TeamMonique
Notes in the... notes field so they make sense later.
- Pete #TeamMonique
I think RR has it right--at a library conference, nobody would much care. Unless you were disrupting the session somehow.
- Walt Crawford
I've taken recently to pointing out when I stick up my "its ok to do whatever you like with this talk" slide that all the photos people have been taking (often people are in commercial publishing operations, taking pictures of slides from talks on licensing issues) are technical copyright violations...
- Cameron Neylon
I don't usually see the Google doodles ('cuz I search directly from Firefox, and anyway Bing's my default engine) but today's is really nice. Damn shame the result doesn't mention Dave Brubeck and Unsquare Dance, since the Saul Bass tribute wouldn't work without it.
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Thanks for the heads up! I love Unsquare Dance.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
I was a little surprised at the lack of explicit credit. A great piece to accompany the image, though.
- Walt Crawford
I would swear that I did hover over it. Maybe not long enough. Good enough for me, though. [Tried it again: If you're hovering over it RIGHT AS IT STARTS, it shows you the credit--but once the pre-play-button graphic's started forming, it's too late. So, well, at least people are hearing his music.]
- Walt Crawford
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