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I climbed a bridge in a top hat. #GTAV
I climbed a bridge in a top hat.  #GTAV
And how that bridge got into a top hat, I'll never know... - Walt Crawford
The bridge is swag - Johnny from iPhone
Slash's dad? - Mo Kargas
No... But tonight I am going to buy some leathers and make that happen for you ;) - Johnny from iPhone
Slash? more like a steam punk Billy Gibbons. ...with just a hint of Jeff Lynne! - Big Joe Silence
RT @extraft: The fact that many restaurants now let you book tables online is a massive relief. Calling ppl is terrifying.
and here in the US? almost NO restaurant does bookings. not unless they also charge the equivalent of your paycheque for the meal. - Big Joe Silence
Joe: Try OpenTable - Stephen Mack from iPhone
As in, not even over the phone? - Melly from FFHound!
in the dc area there's open table and a competitor - lots of restaurants participate - Christina Pikas
Joe: Not sure where you are in the US, but around here OpenTable handles lot of restaurants, and most others that charge more than $10 also take reservations. - Walt Crawford
We've got OpenTable in Sacramento plus I think there's at least one other competitor. - Corinne L
barbara fister
OA book proposal - $20K first book subventions to be paid by libraries/institutions. Discuss.
This one snuck right past me. - barbara fister
I know that good editors need to be paid, and it takes a lot of work and time for editors to work with writers, but jeez. In many cases, the libraries would be paying for the prestige and cache of a brand name, not necessarily the cost of the base services. - Joe
I'll buy that turning a first-timer's academic work into a good-quality academic monograph requires skilled developmental editing and copy editing. That said, damn, $20K seems high: it feels like $3,000-$5,000 "hybrid OA" charges. - Walt Crawford
I love the way such proposals are so often self-described as "rational." "it's eminently rational that you should pay some of the costs we incur." - barbara fister
I wish someone would raise the rational question of whether we really need first books to evaluate whether faculty are keepers. - barbara fister
Then again, most faculty in the humanities who I know assume that though most of their time is spent teaching, their real job is writing books that will be read by people like them. All six of them. - barbara fister
I'm skeptical of the stated benefits for academic libraries. My library would theoretically pay $45K in this scheme and we'd get what? "...working in partnership with presses to aggregate, host, promote, curate, and preserve the growing corpus of open-access digital monographs...." Really? We get to pay money to do work we already don't have personnel to manage. I'm doubtful, but at a non-ARL research university (high level) with a fewer than 30 librarians. - kaijsa
Eh. Some stuff makes a helluva lot more sense at a level above the individual institution (cf Hathi Trust). I ain't arguing with you that the price is too high, though. - RepoRat
I think we haven't figured out what the price shoudl be - or maybe I should say the price we put on doing things this way. I think univesity presses make a big contribution, and most of them do it without a lot of resources, but focusing on "first books" seems to solve a problem that we should think about more critically first. - barbara fister
During AHAGate a blogger said there was no way any press would publish his dissertation, which was on Old Believers in Russia. I thought "damn, that's way more interesting to me than a lot of UP books" but his point was that there really isn't a reason to invest a lot of time and effort into something that wouldn't command a big audience just to prove he was a worthy historian. - barbara fister
Would these ideas still have value if they weren't refined and polished? Not as much, I'm sure, but maybe we could afford to share (and give credit for) scholarship that isn't lovingly buffed and polished. - barbara fister
Though a big piece of what editors at UPs do is coax people to write interesting books which might not see the light of day without encouragement. I don't know what it would take to create conditions for that to happen without it costing $20,000 per interesting project. (That $20,000 doesn't include the author's time or research expenses, remember, though it might include a small advance or occasional royalty check.) - barbara fister
standard in Canada (from back in the day when i knew this stuff) was 10K in funding per monograph at a UP. very few could be published without that (lots of grant-writing heappening). now, funding models for UPs are very different in canada (smaller presses, few popular titles published to support scholarly titles) but i don't think 20K is unreasonable at all. - jambina
subventions, now with open access. At least there's OA in this. - barbara fister
I'm not against this kind of proposal in theory, just think that libraries need to get some funding for personnel to do work that advances projects like this. Funding for human (not just collection) resources is scarce, but demands for services are high. OA is good, figuring out a new model for UPs is good, supporting scholarship is good. I'm just not convinced maintaining the traditional monograph as gold standard for tenure should be a given. - kaijsa
^^^^ yes. - barbara fister
An essay by the new director of the open access Amherst College press - scholarly books are luxury goods unless you decide up front that they are common goods. - barbara fister
Hi everybody! You've probably seen that Mellon is floating a proposal along these lines too, although it wouldn't be aimed at first books. - Jennifer Howard
Meg VMeg
It's fine to refreeze butter, right?
No loss of turgor or something. - Meg VMeg from Android
I do it all the time. - laura x from iPhone
That's where I keep butter I'm not using. - lris
butter you're not using? *does not compute* - Heleninstitches
But to refreeze? Like, I bought infinite butter, and it's in the freezer. If it should defrost or god forbid melt, can I simply refreeze? - Meg VMeg from Android
why is there freezing in the first place? - Joe Hardy
Joe: We certainly freeze butter because we don't use that much of it (and ideally buy Land o' Lakes 8-half-sticks-to-the-pound when it's on sale). - Walt Crawford
As long as it's wrapped tightly, you should be fine. Keep it away from air or light. Oh and of course heat. - Mark Trapp
i think you could probably refreeze. If you move it in a cooler, it probably won't melt all the way anyway. I buy 3x1lb packs at costco so i freeze them,too - Christina Pikas
Pack it with some frozen 2-liter bottles of water, too. They take longer to melt and don't make the mess that ice cubes would. - April Russo
Whew, the butter made it. - Meg VMeg from Android
Walt Crawford
Huh. According to Weather Underground, today's high in Las Vegas is four degrees higher than in my part of Livermore (currently 104F, high projected 105F). Fortunately, we took our walk at 9:30, when it was only 93F. With the Livermore wind missing in action, unfortunately.
Of course, I'm not running around from hotel to hotel and all that either. Or having to deal with over-chilled inside spaces. - Walt Crawford
Walt Crawford
Loving good insulation: It's currently 97F outside. The cooling side of our HVAC is set for 80F. The A/C has yet to come on, and probably won't for a while. (We both find 80F perfectly comfortable in summer. In winter, the heating side is set for 70F.)
I would boil to death in your house in all seasons. (62-66 winter, 75-78 summer). - laura x from iPhone
You come from and are acclimated to a different climate. Not too surprising. Why we could go for a walk (slightly shortened) at 95F today, but probably wouldn't go for a walk if it was 45F. - Walt Crawford
Well, it's often 95 here. I just try to avoid it. - laura x from iPhone
Walt Crawford
OK! Word's grammar-checker is *perfect* on this clause: "the always-interesting issues around 'predatory' journals." There's a green line under "always-interesting" and it suggests changing the hyphen to a space.
And when I do that, there's a green line under "always interesting" and it suggests changing the space to a hyphen. That's why I leave grammar-check on: Always interesting, sometimes helpful, frequently amusing. This falls into the third category. - Walt Crawford
Walt Crawford
Highlighting one reason we like living in Livermore (now 5 years, 2 months), esp. as we're near the southern residential development limit:
For those who won't click through: While most of California's losing agricultural land, Livermore's saved its land--and more than doubled the productive (and protected) land (essentially all of which is vineyards and olive orchards). - Walt Crawford
RT @grimmelm: The Facebook manipulation study ( has coauthors at UCSF and Cornell. Facebook may not have an IRB, but they do.
do we know there wasn't an irb involved? seems pretty shady. - Christina Pikas
The story now says it *was* submitted to an IRB...and, astonishingly, was OKed. (See "Update" at end) - Walt Crawford
Meg VMeg
Scheduled my Time Warner service disconnection (which you can only do over the phone, which is total bullshit). At the end of the call, the woman encouraged me to "keep Time Warner in mind for my future home telecommunications and entertainment needs".
The only time I found that easy was when I was moving out of WI --still had to call but at least the person on the other end of the phone didn't feel obliged to go through all of the rigmarole of sales stuff. - Hedgehog
We cancelled Comcast - had to call during business hours and have to drive 30 min away through traffic to return gear - Christina Pikas from iPhone
The local cable company's phone script includes, "thank you for choosing Rogers", which is really funny when you are calling to cancel. At least once I responded to that part of the script by telling the person on the phone that I have never "chosen" their company, but only ever signed up braise there were no other alternatives. - DJF from Android
Yep, Time Warner is the only service available in my area. It blows. - Meg VMeg
There's a good chance you can look forward to having Comcast. Which may blow even harder. - Walt Crawford
wooooooooo - Meg VMeg
Annnnnnnnd....they just sent me a bill for July service. - Meg VMeg from Android
t-ra: WeirdnessSandwich
hold up. the CDC says 4 drinks for a woman "in a single bout" is binge drinking? and 8 drinks in a week for a woman is "chronic alcohol consumption"? uh.... uh-oh.
Well, that's an average (and targeted at the average height/weight for women.) Even so, someone having a glass and a half of wine with dinner every night would fall afoul of that, even though that's not all that uncommon or likely to get someone all that intoxicated. - Jennifer Dittrich
Awesome, apparently 1 SAM = 3 alcoholic women some weeks. That math seems about right. Wait, what? - SAM
What's a 'bout'? Not that it matters, since I'm probably equal to 1 SAM anyway. - Anika
Yeah I find other countries' alcohol guidelines more convenient, myself. - Meg VMeg from Android
I think a "bout" is "one sitting"? needless to say I object to these definitions entirely. - t-ra: WeirdnessSandwich
If a sitting is 4pm to 1am, I think I'm solid. - Anika
I'm not asking about men. Geesh. - Eric - Back to the Grill
'i dont drink much, but when i do, its my entire years worth in one night' - chaz2b
Turns out CDC actually defines "session" or "sitting": two hours. - Walt Crawford
thanks, Walt. that's helpful. I'm 3 or 4 beers in 4 or 5 hours on an average night, but still way over the 8 per week number. Though I spose I can't argue with the definition of "chronic alcohol consumption." I'd just prefer "frequent" over "chronic". - t-ra: WeirdnessSandwich
consistent. steady. solid as a rock. reliable. Positive adjectives FTW. - Laura Norvig
I rarely drink but when I do, I make up for lost time. So I'm apparently a chronic binge drinker. Whatevs. - Hookuh Tinypants
Sarah G.
I have realized, belatedly, that the perfect @sabram response would have been a Steve Martin "Well excuuuuuuuse me!" And left it at that.
... it pretty much was, actually. only wordier. - RepoRat
Heh. - Sarah G.
What RR sez. - Walt Crawford
What Abram did and said about a month ago? Or, something more recent? - Joe
last month - Sarah G.
Walt Crawford
Unusual hike today (note: I'm really a good walker, not an adventurous hiker). The Ramblers--the wimpier of the two groups--were supposed to take an unmarked trail at one point. The person leading us had never been on that trail. After a petered out. 15-25 feet above a creek bed that had a trail.
Other than one clown who said "Oh, we can hike the steep unmarked uphill and find our way," we said, "Well, we'll get down there one way or another." For most of us--and most definitely for me--that way was on our butts. And I managed to roll/drop the final 3-4 feet. (Amazingly, no damage done.) - Walt Crawford
As we found at the end of the hike, from the leader of the Scramblers, when our leader said "We can go downhill or uphill at this point, so of course we'll go uphill," that was when we were supposed to go the creek trail. - Walt Crawford
No bruises, lots of dirt on the back of pants I only wear for hiking & weeding anyway. At the end of the hike, the leader asked--I think sincerely--whether I planned to sue. My comment had to do with only seeing courtrooms as a juror, and planning to keep it that way. (Really? Sue for bad trail advice?) - Walt Crawford
Kevin Fox
This is the strangest list of requirements I've ever seen for a user id. (Not passwrod, *user id*)
reminds me of when I had to set up a Chase online account. Those username requirements were much like that. - ellbeecee
That sounds a *lot* like Chase (and Schwab) requirements. - Walt Crawford
I've found pretty consistently that user names (as opposed to passwords) for financial institutions and the like are *not* case-sensitive; when I was having trouble logging into one, the person on the phone made a point of that. I don't believe I've seen in a case in the last 5 years where the password isn't case-sensitive; different issue. - Walt Crawford
You saw nothing. Forget I was here. - Slippy: Potato Croquette
Stephen Francoeur
School of Info & Library Science @ Pratt has a UX program concentration. Any other LIS programs have one? #libux #ux
Maryland's iSchool has an HCIM or something like that HCI MS - Christina Pikas
We're weak in that area (but looking to improve, contingent upon being able to hire and a bunch of campus politics). For many ALA-accredited programs, you'll be looking for elective coursework rather than a "concentration." If you can go outside ALA-accredited degrees, the iSchools will have PLENTY to offer you. - RepoRat
Michigan's School of Information is ALA-accredited and has an HCI program (it's been around for awhile - I took several courses in that area and graduated 10 years ago). - Laura
Point of order: a degree program is accredited, not a school. It's easy to confuse these, because many schools only offer the one degree, but a fair few iSchools offer non-accredited degrees alongside one or more (usually one) accredited one. And of course there's Berkeley, which told ALA CoA to take a flying leap. - RepoRat
[RR: And my wife, a Berkeley orphan, remembers that every time the infoschool hits her up for a donation. She doesn't actually tell them to take a flying leap, but the path to the recycling bin is a short one.] - Walt Crawford
[I'm taking the Fifth on a public thread with regard to ALA CoA. Have to. We're up this year.] - RepoRat
[In the case of Berkeley, it wasn't so much the attitude on CoA as the sneering attitude toward librarians...until, that is, the ischool wanted their money.] - Walt Crawford
[Well. I have opinions about that too. But they're not for a public thread.] - RepoRat
Thanks, RR. I looked at the ALA accreditation list, but it wasn't really clear - just listed the school, not the program. - Laura
yeah, that's misleading. *sigh* - RepoRat
Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
The Words That Are Most Known to Only Men or Women Didn't know the meaning of two 'male' words but I recognized them
The Words That Are Most Known to Only Men or Women Didn't know the meaning of two 'male' words but I recognized them
'Dreadnought' and 'bolshevism' I had to look up but I knew of those words. I knew they existed. :P - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
I think I did pretty well with both lists. - Stephen Mack
Same. I recognized 'solenoid,' but had to look it up. Some of those make sense to me, and some just WTF. - Jennifer Dittrich
A couple of the "female" words I'm not sure about: mascarpone is a dessert, right? and bottlebrush, is that a brush to clean bottles? - Betsy
Ha ha, this will only make sense to Brits, but I really didn't expect Dean Gaffney to be holding that sword ;-) - Heleninstitches
Really? "golem" is recognized more by men than by women? But hey, it's Slate reprinted from Business Insider, so it must be...never mind. - Walt Crawford
The only word I didn't recognize was "claymore." - John (bird whisperer)
Marscapone is a cheese that's used in desserts. It's awesome! - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart from Android
what does it mean if i recognised and knew the meaning/definition of everything on both lists? - Big Joe Silence
I'm really shocked. I know my late husband knew (and used) all the "female" words, and the only "male" word I had think about was "codec". But then "claymore" and "scimitar" and "dreadnought" show up in a lot of history and historical fiction, so there's that. - m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Also is humvee a word? Like an actual word. Because it's the pronunciation of the brand name of that ridiculous big ass car! - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart from Android
"humvee" entered the colloquial lexicon about 20 years back, so yes. - Big Joe Silence
"Humvee" is apparently in the American English online version of the OED - Victor Ganata
OED seems to adopt early. - Big Joe Silence
Well, I think OED tends to pick up words early because they're trying to document actual usage, not prescribe "correct English". - Victor Ganata
I have about as much familiarity with "scimitar" dreadnought" and "claymore" as I do with "decoupage" "taffeta" and "tresses"... - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I still say humvee shouldn't be a word, yo. - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
If we use it and people know what we're talking about, it's a word. :-) - Kirsten
@Zulema: thanks. So I guess I was half right about mascarpone? - Betsy
Am I the only one that clicked through to take the test? (scored 81% with no nonwords) - April Russo
I didn't even notice there was a test. I scrolled straight to the list. - Betsy
There was a test? oh! I got 84%. (no nonwords) - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
84% with one nonword (I should listen to myself more). - Betsy
90% with zero nonwords, and I recognized "zloty" about a second after I said I didn't recognize it. ("bedaub" may be a word, but I'll continue not to recognize it.) - Walt Crawford
You got different words than I did. - Betsy
93% - Katy S
Could the female word list be any more stereotypical? Ugh. - Heather
87%, no nonwords. The words I missed were: inspectoral, tisane, whipstall, axil, trimaran, agronomics, scarfskin, tercenteniary, and coltsfoot. I got up to 91% with a retest. - Stephen Mack
90%, no nonwords, I missed acicular, syringa, yashmak, exponible, latria, strickle, and filature. I lost some time cackling at the non-word bodibator. #iam12 - Victor Ganata
93% on the retest. I missed borecole, redingote, instauration, imbrue, and complaisantly. - Victor Ganata
Familiar with all of the but would probably fumble trying to give an exact dictionary definition of solenoid and dreadnought. - Spidra Webster
83% on the test - ended up fat-fingering a couple of words I knew, but oh well. The ones I genuinely missed were random fashion/sewing accessory related. Take that, sexist word knowing thingie. Or something. - Jennifer Dittrich
Betsy: If the test is set up well, that will usually happen--e.g., I saw only one or two of Stephen's and Victor's words. - Walt Crawford
I hadn't realized people would get different words. I would've posted my missed words. - Betsy Words that I didn't know - falderal (didn't connect this as the same as folderal, darn my Texas drawl), hoatzin, paraxial, aquilegia, polyclonal, diplopod. - Greg GuitarBuster
81%. No non-words. Not bad knowing that English is not my first language. - Uli
thinking a lot of men thought decoupage was decolletage. :) - Elizabeth Brown
I thought a solenoid was a lonely noid - Pete
88%. I got three wrong. There were some funky words on my list. - Elizabeth Brown
It's interesting that the test doesn't require you to define the word, just agree that it is a word. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
I think asking for definitions would be extremely difficult. What should the algorithm consider as a correct definition? I think only counting a verbatim dictionary definition (and from which dictionary?) would result in a lot of false negatives. - Victor Ganata
What Victor sez. - Walt Crawford
I'm imagining multiple choice of the rough domain the word is in. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Christina Pikas
according to JCR, this journal has a *negative* impact factor when you remove jnl self cites... oops!
*snork* - Hedgehog
that... shouldn't... be possible... should it? #mathishard - RepoRat
It means the articles are so bad that other articles specifically say "do not under any circumstances read this," and that counts as a negative citation. Otherwise, JCR's math is suspect. (I know: it's established, so it MUST be right.) - Walt Crawford
#mathisfun and no, it shouldn't be possible.. that would be hilarious if they did what Walt suggested :) - Christina Pikas
i mean, #citations/#articles ... how can that be negative... what they obviously did is (#citations - #selfcitations)/#articles and selfcitations>citations ... which it shouldn't have been - Christina Pikas
well, we've always known that TR juices the numbers, just no idea how. I can well imagine the Juice Factor created some kind of weirdity. - RepoRat
barbara fister
So, sometimes I ask my pals for an article because ... well, it's easy, but it's not just that. It's also a natural place to turn, a friendly, informal, connected place. I love ILL, but when there's a way to accomplish what I need through already-established relationships, it's tempting not just because of convenience.
I wonder how this will play out for academic libraries in the near future. As stats drop, will support follow? Or should we be happy about the invisible college providing ILL? - barbara fister
That's actually an interesting research question: while we know that ILL has declined (I think we know that, but I'd have to check), how much of that decline has been as a result of article requests moving from formal to informal article transfer mechanisms, especially since the informal methods provide articles in a more flexible format (informal transfers = PDFs; formal transfers = print, or DRM'd PDF [at least around here]). - DJF
Or a PDF that is a black and white scanned PDF image of an article that used to have color images and charts, and no OCR text search possible. - Joe
while I think our ILL stats have decreased a little, in my building we offer document delivery from our own print collection and that far more makes up for the balance. so at least for a time, I think we may just see a shift in needs. - Hedgehog from Android
#icanhazpdf is super popular for a bunch of reasons. - Christina Pikas
And, of course, I had to bite. VERY crudely (across all NCES respondents, which is a constantly-shifting universe), both ILL provided and ILL received seems to have declined slightly from 2010 to 2012--but it grew (at least provided did) every biennium from 2004 to 2010. I'd bet it's the usual "most well-known places shrank, but many other places grew" situation. - Walt Crawford
[Quick comparison: Total ILL provided in 2012 10,528,989; in 2004 10,174,075; total ILL received in 2012 9,795,177; in 2004, adding in document delivery, 9,985,611. The provided 2012 figure is midway between 2004 and 2006. The peak for provided was 2010 at 11,223,980; for received, 2008 at 10,707,481.] - Walt Crawford
Again, though, that's a gross count, wildly inaccurate for any given group of academic libraries. It's what I could do in five minutes looking at the raw data. - Walt Crawford
Our students aren't part of the invisible college, and they do loads of ILL. But an increasing number of faculty don't even remember it's there (except when they need books and don't want to buy them). - barbara fister
What's funny about the "you have to degrade the quality first if you want to ILL it" is that it's probably meant to increase artcile purchase, but probably leads to #icanhazpdf more quickly. - barbara fister
DJF: DRMd PDFs? SRSLY? (alphabet soup, but ... wow.) - barbara fister
#icanhazpdf knows no CONTU, nor Rule of Five. *g* - RepoRat
^ - Marie
Yes. Our ILL department has taken a particularly narrow reading of the law. So, if you request an article, we will make it available on a server for you to download, but it expires after a while, so you have to print it when you're notified. - DJF from Android
Sigh. We are a net lender here and rarely need articles from other libraries, but I'm lately being stymied by requests for things like a $2500 market report and we just can't borrow them or justify paying for them for individual faculty. It was tempting to ask if anybody has the latest one requested, but I think that's the kind of shit that would get me into trouble. - kaijsa
the marketing reports requests I get tend to be students just googling. they are very specialised and expensive I doubt most libraries would have it. anyway could ILL decline (or possibly decline) cos of open access rising? - aaron from BuddyFeed
At least right now, I suspect that the increase in ILL due to the ease of finding out about things that you wouldn't have even heard of before is offsetting the decrease due to the ability to get things open access. - Rebecca Hedreen
Excellent point, Rebecca. Also ++ RR and ++ Walt. DJF, our consortium has a one week expiration, too, which I assume was a sop to publishers. Had a student in a panic who assumed she only had a week to view the article, after which it would vanish (maybe had encountered vanishing public library ebook loans?) If publishers ever pull that sh!t, #icanhaspdf will no doubt find a workaround. - barbara fister
t-ra: WeirdnessSandwich
I don't understand people who 'don't drink coffee'. I try to be open-minded, but wtf is wrong with you?
I'm allergic to caffeine. - Gabrielle
It used to give me heartburn (or I thought it did,) so I avoided it. Love it now, though. I figure it is like anything - some folks just don't have a taste for it. - Jennifer Dittrich
Only like it hot, and don't like hot drinks, unless it's soup. Or hot chocolate when I'm cold. - NOT THE CRICKET
It tastes like crap. And it's hot. I'm always warm and don't like tasting crap. - Steve C
Coffee is gross. I've never heard someone say they liked it on the first try. Same reason I don't drink beer, I'm not interested in "acquiring" the taste. - Heather
i love the flavour of coffee but there's something, possibly oils, that gets my guts roaring in a bad way. - Big Joe Silence
My parents are big coffee drinkers and always insisted I'd end up drinking it, but I never much liked the smell. Whole beans smell good. Ground beans smell good. But once it's been brewed it always smells a bit burnt to me. Maybe I'd be ok with cold-brewed? I dunno. At this point I've got a rather firmly entrenched tea habit and don't see a reason to branch out. One addiction is plenty. - Kirsten
I can't stand the taste, but I love the smell. I agree that I don't know wtf is wrong with me ;) - Katie
My wife has gastric trouble with it. I dropped it for a while on doctor's advice. Lots of people don't like the taste--I'm open-minded enough to know there's essentially *no* taste that's universally loved. OTOH, Heather, I liked coffee on the first try. So, you know, different strokes. - Walt Crawford
I totally meant this as a drunken joke at my own expense for being so reliant on coffee to function. It's cool if you don't like coffee. I guess. I mean, I don't like ice cream, so there's that. - t-ra: WeirdnessSandwich
I like the smell of coffee. When it hits my tongue is where it loses me. - Deborah Fitchett
Well, for that, there are all the *$ "coffee drinks" that probably still have some coffee somewhere in them, and you get the smell of (nearly burnt) coffee when you enter the store. - Walt Crawford
Deborah Fitchett
This is awesome - Creative Commons Aotearoa New Zealand are working on a free legal notice that Māori can use to release cultural works more openly:
How do you feel about the "protection against culturally offensive uses", compared to the problems people see with a non-commercial CC license? - Meg VMeg
It is restrictive, yes; but it's less restrictive than no open release at all. Creators need the reassurance that, say, their photo of their granny isn't going to end up on someone's Cafepress teatowels, otherwise they're not going to go anywhere near open. At the moment there's huge amounts of information that is locked up for use by the iwi itself and in many cases people would be... more... - Deborah Fitchett
(It has been a journey for me, with a natural Western bent towards "Knowledge wants to be free!", to get my head around the fact that some knowledge *doesn't* and I have no right to it. Comparing with my thoughts about privacy has been a useful benchmark/triangulation point when my brain's otherwise been tending to flail in despair.) - Deborah Fitchett
What would be the benefit of this license over registered copyright? Is copyright not strong enough? I am not at all saying that indigenous knowledge needs to be free. I'm just curious what niche this license fills. - Meg VMeg
There was a wonderful talk at Access Vancouver about work that was done at University of Washington about designing systems for managing culturally sensitive information. - DJF from Android
Like, in the US we have laws against falsely ascribing Native American ownership/creatorship (e.g., ), so I'm wondering if this is, like, the contrapositive to that. Or something. - Meg VMeg
yes! what djf said! huge community involvement in the collections for both authentication and access. i know that ubc has adopted some of the tech for their Xwi7xwa library. - jambina
It's not that copyright isn't strong enough; it doesn't replace that at all. Everyone gets copyright. It's that *creative commons licenses* don't give/withhold the appropriate permissions when it comes to indigenous knowledge. You can say "Go ahead and use it but attribute" (CC-BY) or "Go ahead and use it but not for commercial purposes" (CC-BY-NC) or "You can't use it at all without... more... - Deborah Fitchett
An example of the challenges of Creative Commons that are simpler for us to understand is the all the CC licences also waive the creators moral rights to restrict how material may be used. So, if you CC license something, you can't stop the KKK from using it. - DJF from Android
Sure, and I'm wondering whether people imagine it will face the same problems as NC. Because, in theory, NC is a good idea too. But, in other theory, NC is *not* a good idea, because no one knows what it means, so it's useless (e.g., ). And "culturally offensive" seems even more ambiguous than NC. Ergo my initial question. - Meg VMeg
I want this to be a clearcut awesome good thing. But NC-CC licensing has not at all been a clearcut awesome good thing (even though I would have thought that would be the case). So I'm wondering how/whether this can be a DIFFERENT clearcut awesome good thing. Or whether trademarks/law/something else are a better recourse. - Meg VMeg
I think it's a bit strong to say NC is "useless." "Not as useful as it might be," yes, but it's still useful. Half a loaf and all that. - Walt Crawford
Hence why they're consulting at the moment about what restrictions it should and shouldn't include. I think trademarks/law would do the exact opposite of opening things up. - Deborah Fitchett
Deborah, can you explain why things are not open currently? Is it something about Māori protectiveness, beyond whatever would or wouldn't be allowed by NZ law? The laws we have here prevent falsely ascribing ownership or creatorship to Native American tribes (and many of the tribes have registered trademarks for their names). So they don't close things down, exactly, but allow legal recourse when IP is used improperly. - Meg VMeg
Sorry, I am not trying to be contrarian. I would like this to be good news. I was excited until I remembered all the NC turmoil. - Meg VMeg
Two part answer: 1) Can you explain why a white person doesn't make their content open? It's because we want to retain certain rights. Sometimes I might want to make something open but I don't want a company to profit off that; NC was created (however imperfectly) to allay these concerns. Likewise a "no culturally offensive use" license can allow people to open their content up without... more... - Deborah Fitchett
That wandered so encompassed part of 2) which is the tikis on teatowels kind of thing. Some things do not belong in the wrong kind of context. Western law does not deal with this. Existing Creative Commons licenses don't deal with it. So the goal is to create a license that does deal with it, by (presumably) spelling out what uses are and are not appropriate. Then a creator can say "I... more... - Deborah Fitchett
I'm not sure if this clarifies things because I'm not sure where the gap is, because I've got all this cultural context you don't. But it's basically for the case where authors want to be open but also want safeguards. Existing CC licenses provide the safeguards that matter to Western creators (attribution, share-alike, non-commercial, no-derivatives) but they don't provide the... more... - Deborah Fitchett
Meg: Have you been following the furor here in Oklahoma surrounding the way Christina Fallin appropriated a plains tribe headdress? I know it's a physical object rather than knowledge, but to me, seems like this is the exact sort of thing that this license option is trying to protect against. American Indian tribes have always dealt with white people appropriating pieces of their... more... - Kirsten
I am not saying that protection isn't called for, or that I don't understand why it might be called for (my last question about the Māori was asking if there was something specific to their traditions/culture that made this different from a CC license for all indigenous people, because it seemed like Deborah was saying that). It is ABSOLUTELY called for, and I 100% understand why. What... more... - Meg VMeg
It seems like a way to put your hand up and say "hey, you can use this, but if I think you're using it in a way that offends me, I'm gonna revoke that right." I see the complexity of limits, but I also see why people may want "some rights reserved" defined in specific ways so that they can say yes while saying no to some uses. People would presumably still have uses that fall under fair dealing (?? is that the phrase in NZ for what yanks call fair use?) - barbara fister
Sorry, Meg. I wasn't reading closely enough. Teach me to skim pre-caffeine. Anyway, to the point: I doubt the Maori license would be able to avoid all those criticisms, since there would always be people (like Fallin) who would want to use items with that license in a way that was disrespectful. Such people often fall back on some combination of free speech and capitalism to justify... more... - Kirsten
Purely pragmatically, the problem I have with NC is that it overprotects -- it renders uses problematic that the licensor probably wouldn't have any problem with. I honestly don't think that's true in the indigenous-knowledge case! So I'm in favor (for the little my white-ass approval is worth), partly in the name of getting more truth out there and drowning out the noisy appropriators. - RepoRat
Back to the U Washington work that I mentioned above, "culturally offensive" probably isn't just a vague phrase, but has strong, well understood, restrictions on culturally appropriate use associated with it that are well understood by the culture in question. For example, letting the US flag touch the ground is (well, was) a simple example of a "culturally offensive" use. - DJF
Barbara's comment about "It seems like a way to put your hand up and say 'hey, you can use this, but if I think you're using it in a way that offends me, I'm gonna revoke that right.'" is exactly why the Creative Commons licenses explicitly waive the creators' moral rights. So, even where Western European culture has a way to control uses, the CC stops one from doing so. - DJF
It seems as this particular effort a) is working very hard to come to a mutually-agreed-upon-by-creators, nuanced and detailed definition of "culturally offensive" (if you click through to Deborah's link, it includes a survey) - which I actually would expect to vary from indigenous tradition to indigenous tradition, given that their sacred / tapu / etc contexts also vary, and b) is... more... - Marianne
tl;dr: oooh, this is really interesting and shiny. - Marianne
An interesting discussion, but I must admit that my reaction to a "no culturally inappropriate uses" license would probably be "If you're not Maori (or Native American or whatever), stay the hell away." Because I would never be sure what was and wasn't culturally inappropriate, except that I'm not part of the culture. And maybe that's right? - Walt Crawford
Maybe museums and schools would be able to use more easily? - Christina Pikas
Walt, I think part of the idea is that the license would *tell* you what is and isn't inappropriate. Meg, yes, while indigenous peoples are in heaps of dialogue with each other for mutual support and sharing ideas on how to reclaim heritage in a coloniser-dominated world, their cultures and therefore needs are still very different from each other so I would expect licenses to vary... more... - Deborah Fitchett
Cameron Neylon
I'm basing that assertion mainly on this paper See also our commentary #esof2014
Interesting article. Why is it in PLoS Biology? (As in: if that article showed up in a brand-new Indian-based APC-charging OA journal *labeled as a biology journal*, folks like Beall would cite it as "out of scope" and an indication of questionable practices.) - Walt Crawford
I'm honestly curious, as I really don't see any connection to biology as a field. - Walt Crawford
It looks like they looked specifically at biology and medicine papers? - Victor Ganata
Modified my "as in" comment--since there is at least one Indian-based OA journal dealing with bibliometrics (DOAJ turns up at least six, five of them non-APC, none, to be sure, as cough high impact cough as PLoS Biology.) - Walt Crawford
Cameron Neylon
Presumably *only* 60s :-) MT @nordensk #OpenAccess Open mic. Use the mic for 60 sec. Get a free beer #esof2014 …"
They should refine that: "Keep the mic for 90 seconds or more, and you owe the crowd a round." *That* would get some terse comments. - Walt Crawford
I would like to say that I have no idea WTF a threshold concept is or how it will be useful. Whatever the threshold is for understanding threshold concepts, I have not passed it.
To borrow a phrase from Marianne, I shall perhaps forever teeter at the lintel - maʀtha
Not sure if you are joking, but for me that's the literal truth. Should I feel guilty? Oh well. Add it to list of things every librarian seem to understand but I don't. - aaron
Not joking. I find the threshold concept baffling, utterly. - maʀtha
So, I'm not alone in this, eh? - maʀtha
I'm not very clear on it. Probably need to read the document fully through tho - Hedgehog
Please send that in as feedback. Also, if you are interested, Lane understands but dissents: - Lisa Hinchliffe
Yep, will do. I'll say here that no one in academia wants to admit that they don't understand something, so I wonder how many will do so openly. Also, if ACRL creates a framework that is totally arcane, it won't get used. I'm just saying. - maʀtha
Yeah, you want it to be *just arcane enough* to indicate that it's new, so that people will bother to read the thing, but not so arcane that they won't. - Meg VMeg
I always thought it meant 'target'- we want to at least get people to this point sort of thing. Info lit is full of arcana, mind you. *shrugs* - Pete
I "get" the concept of threshold concepts -- at least, I *think* I do, though when I read some of what's been written about them I wonder if I'm just fooling myself -- and I think it could be a useful and powerful term to describe those kind of "ah ha!" moments that when they happen for a student, there's no going back. But honestly, yesterday I read Lane's post that Lisa links above,... more... - Catherine Pellegrino
So, but the "I don't have time for this!" exasperation is problematic: on the one hand, I'm thinking "hey, I'm just a librarian down here in the trenches trying to teach my classes, deal with problematic co-workers, and, you know, get my whole college's first-year seminar program off the ground. Plus, I don't have anywhere near the high-level ed-psych, ed-theory, philosophy-of-education... more... - Catherine Pellegrino
+1 for what Catherine just said. Should we include that as feedback? … but I don't want to admit being dumb or (potentially) lazy. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Well said, Catherine. I've made some attempts to read this stuff, but have hit the wall each time. I really do intend to try again to wade through all the stuff and to write up feedback, but it is daunting and seems so opaque to me right now, not having the high-level ed psych, ed theory, philosophy of education background - maʀtha
also, + to Meg for "just arcane enough" :) - maʀtha
Catherine's "I "get" the concept of threshold concepts -- at least, I *think* I do, though when I read some of what's been written about them I wonder if I'm just fooling myself" - Exactly describes how i feel. Then again I wonder if for most run of the mill academic librarians like myself, we dont really need to know that much theory right? - aaron
Martha (and others), do you hit the wall in reading the actual concepts themselves (in the ACRL documents) and the associated abilities, dispositions, learning objectives, etc.? Or do you hit the wall in reading the introductory materials in the ACRL documents? Or do you hit the wall in reading what others (Wilkinson as linked above, et al.) have written about either the actual concepts... more... - Catherine Pellegrino
I get mired in the material about the theoretical construct of threshold concepts - maʀtha
Yeah, Martha, then I'd worry a lot less about it, frankly. :) And Stephanie, I don't think it's admitting being dumb or lazy to say, "hey, this doesn't work for me." I think it's valuable feedback that indicates that the document that's supposed to guide (I think? maybe not? I have no idea) members of the profession in improving their work is incomprehensible to those very members of the profession. - Catherine Pellegrino
^and this is my point, in a nutshell - maʀtha
One advantage of being retired and giving up on writing about library philosophy: When I bogged down 1/3 (?) of the way through Lane's discursion, I didn't feel guilty. - Walt Crawford
IMHO, the new concepts are an improvement over the old 'standards'. Maybe its just intellectual laziness on my part, but I don't think it's essential to dig to the point that we find the intellectual bedrock that we all can agree on. In Biology, a couple of threshold concepts would be the scientific method and the process of evolution. Likewise our concepts are broad strokes that must be filled in to make sense of a whiole - copystar
I'm a little uncomfortable with the idea that as someone in the trenches, I don't have to understand the theory behind what I do. It's understanding the underlying theory that lets you riff on standard practices rather than following them by rote, or upend standard practices when they aren't working for me. And if we really want to partner with the faculty on our campuses, we'd better... more... - lris
Catharine, I get bogged down at several points along the way. And martha, I am so grateful posted this. I think I get the TCs, but I don't really get how to make them work in the teaching I do (or how I might be able to shift my teaching to get the value out of the approach... that's the real problem I have), and I think it's my own inability to carve out the time to *really* dig in and... more... - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Actually, if you would just copy/paste what you all wrote here as feedback, I think that would help. There are others saying their concerns with TCs per se as theory etc. This is a pretty engaged group - if you are struggling w the doc, lots of other librarians will too AND we won't come off as a profession overall competent to faculty who are key partners. FWIW, most of you are making... more... - Lisa Hinchliffe
Also, given the framework claims that these are just examples of TCs but libraries should identify their own, not understanding the theory is going to make that impossible to achieve. So, the framework essentially says the theory is important to implementing the framework. (BTW, also - please don't beat yourself up. I have a second masters in educational psychology and this isn't an easy theory to parse at all!) - Lisa Hinchliffe
The folks who drafted the 2000 standards also said DIY - but libarians tend to turn into AACR zombies when they see bulleted lists of rules (okay, that's a bit unfair. But we are awfully proceedurally inclined and that wierd positiona announcement thing, "detail-oriented" as a profession.) - barbara fister
I get the theory. The apparatus bores me. I also am not impressed by the origin story of threshold concepts - the only thing I like, really, is the focus on "where do students get stuck? Which of those stuck places, when overcome, make a big difference? Can we help faculty help students and avoid sending messages that make it harder for students to claim agency and get how information really works? - barbara fister
I recognized a moment that I think is huge for undergrads - when they realize they are knowledge creators themselves and what they have to say matters. I try to bear that in mind when talking to students, even if they are at a place where they just want to know how the damned thing works so they can cross off that boring paper. - barbara fister
Full disclosure: I never took the standards very seriously, except as a gesture toward complexity. All those bullet points! Just, no. - barbara fister
holly #ravingfangirl
i don't know how people wear belts all the time. i mean, i know how literally, but god, i hates them.
You hate pants, this is a natural follow on. - Pete
true true - holly #ravingfangirl
honestly, i hate belts more than pants even. - holly #ravingfangirl
Belts are the worst. - Jennifer Dittrich
Beltlandia. :( - Akiva
Huh. Of course, I'm male, but somehow suspenders have never appealed to me and I'd just as soon my pants not fall down all the time. Belts just are. - Walt Crawford
i avoid them 95% of the time by buying pants that fit. I have just one pair that i bought right before i lost the last weight that are now too big and i can't find them to buy the next size smaller. - holly #ravingfangirl
Yeah I buy pants that fit. Belts make me feel constricted. - NOT THE CRICKET
Another belt-loather here - Galadriel C. from Android
Belts are awful. I used to be okay with pants, but that was before I had a kid. - laura x from iPhone
belts are evil. as are pants. - Sir Shuping is just sir
I don't own a belt. - Melly
Belts are okay with me. - John (bird whisperer)
Belts are better than having to pull my pants up all the time. I need new pants. - Holly's favorite Anna
I have wide hips, so almost all of my pants don't fit in the waist. I'm a daily belt wearer. I don't mind so much. - Jenny H. from Android
same as Jenny H - i wear a belt every day, even on weekends, otherwise to get pants that I can pull up all the way, the waist gaps. even "curvy" fit or whatever. - Christina Pikas
Walt Crawford
Big Blues: a book review (of sorts) -
A followup to my mildly snarky remark earlier this week. - Walt Crawford
Matt Haughey
I'm having trouble finding the "product of The Onion" logo anywhere on
Hang on, let me see if I got this straight. They charge $14.99 a month to send you $10.00 in quarters (or $26.99 for $20 in quarters). Why didn't I think of that? - Betsy
I read the BusinessInsider piece. I dunno; to me, Washboard seems more plausible than Yo, but clearly I'm not in the target audience for either one. - Walt Crawford
Sarah G.
RT @thatandromeda: .@alaannual Selling our emails is bad enough, a company trying to *rent us booth babes*?!?
WAIT WTF?! - RepoRat
See if this link will load--it's from that email - Hedgehog
guh. - RepoRat
Unless things have changed a lot in the 3 years or so since I stopped attending library conferences regularly, this is a vendor that seriously doesn't understand the specific market. That logo sure does clarify things a lot... - Walt Crawford
The bank just told me the maximum mortgage they'd be willing to give me. Let's just take a moment to laugh uproariously about the prospect of me taking on that monthly payment.
yep, this is one way people get in trouble - maʀtha
this may be the point where I admit that my first mortgage was actually subprime. it all worked out, though. - RepoRat
Yeah, we've been through that process twice. Both times, hilarity ensued. - Catherine Pellegrino
Am I the only person who did this the other way around? Figured out how much I was willing to pay a month and then asked the bank for that? - laura x from iPhone
No, I did it that way, too. Then just for kicks he showed me the max. - lris
Yeah, Laura, that's totally the smart way to do it -- it's just, the bank gives you this number anyway, and it's outrageous. - Catherine Pellegrino
Yeah, I had Catherine's experience. I knew what I could afford, and found the number the bank I could afford -- in the midst of the flipping crash, with 5% down -- hi-larious! - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I swear my bank must have been talking to my real estate agent. She kept showing us places at the very edge of the bank's numbers, no matter what we said. (Got a new agent before actually buying.) - Rebecca Hedreen
Yup. Live within your means, no matter what the bank says. - Joe
I....really? That's still happening? No wonder banks around the rest of the world are afraid of lending anything to anyone...they can see it all happening again. - Slippy: Potato Croquette
Rebecca: We had an ongoing discussion with our long-time agent on the "You can afford more than this" topic, where "afford" would mean "the maximum mortgage a bank will lend you." We finally convinced her that we didn't *want* more than that, and also didn't like being over our heads. Took about 10 years & two houses. - Walt Crawford
Same with us. We had *practiced* having a mortgage of a specific amount for a period of one year. This allowed us to save some money to build our home. We knew what was most comfortable and safe. The bank tried to get us to double our loan. No. We paid the mortgage off in 16 years and 6 months. - Janet
It's rooted: Aussie terms that foreigners just won't get via @smh
It's rooted: Aussie terms that foreigners just won't get via @smh
I would add "whinge". I don't think fairy bread counts. What about "lush"? Is "feeming" British or Australian? What about "nigel"? - Meg VMeg
I think of "whinge" as British as well--these days, I even see the extraneous g in American writing. Also: thongs as sandals? Really? That's mysterious? - Walt Crawford
How about arvo and banana hammock? - Jaclyn aka spamgirl from Android
Yeah, I was surprised about thongs - that's what we always called those sorts of sandals when I was young. It wasn't until way later that I associated that with underwear. - Jennifer Dittrich
Daughter just came back from a course at MSU. No cordial was news to me. - suelibrarian
I've never heard of feeming! Lush as in a drunk? I don't think that's used much anymore, though I've certainly heard it from older people. Nigel, whinge and arvo are all good. I've never heard anyone actually say banana hammock. We usually say budgie smugglers or dick togs. - Melly
People don't know what a lush is? I'm young, but that still gets thrown about on occasion. Of the ones on the list, I'd pull Thongs, Root, Pissed, and maybe even Dag, it's easily related with mention of Dagwood (from Blondie). - NOT THE CRICKET
And banana hammocks and budgie smugglers are pretty common too. - NOT THE CRICKET
"Lush" to describe someone who is extremely attractive. I assume from "luscious". - Meg VMeg
Ahhhhh! - Melly
I dunno, do Australians really use that word? All the Australian I know, I learned from my best friend in high school. - Meg VMeg
Pretty sure I've heard it, but I don't think I've really used it myself. Might have been a regional thing. - Melly
I've never heard lush used that way, always meant a drunk with class, or friendly drunk. But I'm an American, so can't attest to what Australians use it for. Sounds like something girls from The Hills would say, to me. - NOT THE CRICKET
It's Throw Out Thursday! What are you getting rid of? I'm donating an anklet and watch I never wear... #ThrowOutThursday
Oh yeah! Hmm. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
I gave away a 2-drawer file cabinet last night. It was going to go to charity but I found out that a friend had just bought a cheap one and needed more file storage. Anyway, it was almost Thursday when this happened --10:30 when I got home and came across him, 11p by the time he loaded it into his car. Does that count as Thursday? - Betsy
I'm clearing my recycle, and going through one of the old packing boxes in my pantry (probably to throw out 90% of what's in there.) - Jennifer Dittrich
Hm. I am going to donate five suit jackets to our campus closet. They help students out with business attire. - J. Marie B
@Betsy: that totally counts! High five! - Yvonne from FFHound!
@Jennifer Dittrich: awesome! High five! - Yvonne from FFHound!
@J. Marie B: yay!!! High five!! - Yvonne from FFHound!
A thing that is supposed to keep rolls warm that I have never used. - laura x
A Lexmark printer. No longer working ($150 printer requires $300 printhead, not gonna happen in this lifetime), and only took three weeks to get it to an e-waste recycler... - Walt Crawford
@laura x: good job! High five! - Yvonne from FFHound!
@Walt Crawford: way to go! High five! - Yvonne from FFHound!
I sold some of my old books by trading them in through Amazon's buy-back/trade-in program! - Tamara J. B.
@Tamara J. B.: wahoo! Plus you made some cash! High five! - Yvonne from FFHound!
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