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Apple Maps sends skiers down dead-end road to fed-up homeowner http://news.yahoo.com/apple-m... via @YahooNews
For the past year and a half, a grandmother in rural Pennsylvania has been turning away drivers following directions suggested by Apple Maps to a local ski area. According to the iPhone app, the best route to Roundtop Mountain is via Beaver Creek Road. One slight problem: It's a dead end. Judy Saltsburg, who lives at the end of the road, told WGAL-TV she comes out several times a day and explains to confused travelers that her driveway does not lead to the resort. - WarLord
Saltsburg says she's tried calling Apple — to no avail. - WarLord
Andrew C (✔)
If You Have Bitcoin in Mt.Gox, You Are Probably Fucked - http://valleywag.gawker.com/if-you-...
"Without a trace of irony, others are wondering if a "bailout" (From where? Narnia?) could save Mt.Gox" -- ahahahahahahahahahahahaha - Andrew C (✔) from Bookmarklet
LOL. It's as if people don't understand what anarchocapitalism is about at all! - Victor Ganata
In theory, they could sue, though. - Victor Ganata
and once again to we learn that in real life not in dope addled libertarian pipe dreams government banking regulations are actually a good thing.... - WarLord
It's a buying opportunity for users of Coinbase. Buy when others are fearful. Sell when others are greedy still works. - Eric Logan from FFHound(roid)!
The part that differs from usual markets is the part where you watch your "money" get confiscated by private individuals without having any realistic recourse to the law. - Victor Ganata
It's like gambling not for the risk averse. Anything that is as volatile as Bitcoin is a day trading opportunity. - Eric Logan from FFHound(roid)!
Mt Gox maybe a different case, but with Coinbase investors that are verified have legal recourse against the companies possibly not the government. I think regulation is coming. - Eric Logan from FFHound(roid)!
Well, yeah, I'm sure they can sue Mt. Gox for breach of contract or something, but the trick is successfully dragging them to court. - Victor Ganata
This might actually work in Bitcoin's favor, though. Hopefully more things like this will continue to reinforce the idea that you need to spend them, not hoard them, which is the actual intended usage of cryptocurrency in the first place, if the people who developed the code are to be believed. - Victor Ganata
The Japanese government basically gave carte blanche to Mt.Gox today to fleece the investors if that what they choose to do. - Eric Logan from FFHound(roid)!
Anyway, I don't have any sympathy for Bitcoin speculators. It's karma for abusing the technology. - Victor Ganata
I don't either. I am an investor Bitcoin is like any other speculative investment. As long as it is central to the deep web and illicit activities it will never be mainstream. Don't be surprised if it becomes a platform for more conventional transactions. - Eric Logan from FFHound(roid)!
A platform for transactions does seem to be the goal, but I think the intense speculation does a lot to hinder adoption. - Victor Ganata
Illicit activities do a lot to hinder adoption also. Who wants extra scrutiny? I have never personally bought anything with it. The actual protocol seems pretty solid though in need of regulation. - Eric Logan from FFHound(roid)!
602.97 this morning on Coinbase. http://isbitcoindead.com/ - Eric Logan
lris
Next olympics, look for Shortcross: short track speed skating with jumps.
Only if the US can win a bunch of medals in it before the rest of the world catches up so we have to invent another winter sport we can be good at. - Zamms
Apparently this sport exists already, called either Skate Cross or Ice Cross. - lris
That is insane. Maybe downhill biathlon? - Zamms
Pairs Super G Freestyle. - lris
Hurdlestyle. - Steel Penguin Slippy
Biathlon Curling - WarLord
Fullpipe. - Zamms
Ski-jump biathlon - John (bird whisperer)
Mogul curling. - Steel Penguin Slippy
Naked luge - Melly
skeleton slalom - RepoRat
i'd watch skeleton slalom - Christina Pikas
Ice face - Meg VMeg
Overhand curling. - Zamms
Okay, here in this thread is the ultimate winter sport...naked downhill skeleton fullpipe slalom mogul overhand curling jump...biathlon cross. - Steel Penguin Slippy
... dance. - RepoRat
*Tips hat* Beautifully played. - Steel Penguin Slippy
TEAM... - Meg VMeg
*Bows deeply* Even more so. - Steel Penguin Slippy
Relay - lris
Upstairs Neighbor Peter adds: Drunk... - lris
With ribbons. - April Russo
and sparklers. - Betsy
Found it Red Bull's Crashed Ice http://friendfeed.com/warlord... - WarLord
OF COURSE IT'S RED BULL. Of course. - Zamms
I AM WATCHING RED BULL CRASHED ICE ON THE TV RIGHT NOW. Seriously. - Zamms
But, seriously, Downhill Ice Cross SHOULD be an Olympic sport. It's awesome - Johnny from iPhone
WarLord
Legal Marijuana Will Soon Be Coming to a State Near You: http://www.fool.com/investi... via @themotleyfool #moneychangeseverythibg #taxes #sin #prop13
According to Governor John Hickenlooper, the state is predicting that tax revenue from the sale of medical and recreational marijuana will reach $134 million for the upcoming fiscal year, far exceeding original estimates. - WarLord
In Colorado, the money will be allocated between regulatory oversight, school construction projects, substance abuse treatment, and drug prevention programs. Most notably, a staggering $40 million is earmarked for the Department of Education's BEST program which is tasked with "helping public schools with a multitude of capital construction needs; from new roofs and boilers, to major renovations and new schools." - WarLord
If its anything like the lottery.. thats not 40 million more for education.. its 40 million less the state will have to pay for education. - Me
In a Prop 13 world all that's left is vice... This is like gambling, I give it 5 years and it goes from "out of the question" to "with proper regulation" and "for education" - WarLord
lris
Why I don't have any co-workers today:
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Unlike. - RepoRat
Purple is "Hazardous, travel not advised" - lris
:( - Pixie from FFHound(roid)!
Yet our workplaces are open. It makes more sense on a residential campus like yours, but, still - maʀtha
Two co-workers made it in. They'll divide the afternoon reference shifts between them. Thank goodness, because I was about to start losing my cool a bit... - lris
And yet, WI is open for business. - Joe - Systems Analyst
I think you guys got hit harder than we did. Earlier in the forecast E.C. was right in the middle of the "heavy band", but it shifted north and west as the storm moved in. I guess we got about 9" or so. About half of what they were forecasting the day before. - Jkram|ɯɐɹʞſ
I think a lot of the travel problems stem more from the now-frozen rain that we got before the snow, combined with plenty of wind to shove you around on the ice. - lris
oof! After forecasting 7-12" for us, all we have is bumpy ice. - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
So, maybe my maiden voyage to Ikea tomorrow is not such a good idea. - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
Rochelle, the main interstates/highways south of me are actually closed. And everything between me and Ikea is sheet ice. Don't do it. - lris
Yeah, we have inches (4 or 6 or 8 or more) underneath the snow everywhere here in the Cities. I should go out and chip at it more, because it surely won't melt on its own any time soon - maʀtha
I went to the grocery store at around 4 p.m. yesterday. Traffic was creeping along at about 10 mph as I approaced a major intersection. Naturally the light changed to yellow just as I'm at the critical go/no go point. Given my low speed I decided I'd better be cautious and stop. I hit the brakes and my wheels stopped, but the car moved forward as if I'd never touched the brake. I was... more... - Jkram|ɯɐɹʞſ
Eeep! - lris
Don't these runners come as option? - Uli
Ha! Not up here, Uli... maybe in OKC? - Jkram|ɯɐɹʞſ
Don't My Enclave AWD wanted to dance and go sideways on every corner. Very slick under that snow.... - WarLord
My friend in MPLS spent the day raking her roof and shoveling snow. - Holly's favorite Anna from Android
Heather, 30k Camper
Ran into the kitchen because I heard the clattering of pots and pans in a sort of one-huge-stack-just-fell-from-up-high way. Nope, everything's fine. #ThisIsHowHeCooks
The smoke alarm also went off.... - Heather, 30k Camper
And, when it's all over, #arMANgeddon - Steel Penguin Slippy
You'll be all "Really? You used ALL the pans? TO MAKE TOAST????" - Steel Penguin Slippy
He didn't use all the pans, but there was water ALL OVER the mat in front of the sink. Which I'm kind of used to.... But dinner was super awesome, so it's ok. - Heather, 30k Camper
Guy cooking is all about the drama Like a high wire act working without a net..... - WarLord
These are the sounds I usually wake up to...hubby making himself breakfast. - April Russo
Victor Ganata
Scientists: Don’t make “extreme cold” centerpiece of global warming argument - Capital Weather Gang http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...
"It’s an intriguing theory – that recently has gotten legs: the melting Arctic – spurred by global warming – is causing the weather’s steering flow, the jet stream, to become more extreme. This extreme jet stream – rather than zipping around the world in a straight circle (right below) – is more frequently meandering off course (left below) and getting stuck in place, sending bitter, prolonged blasts of cold southward and conversely, see-sawing strong heat domes northward. It’s a fascinating paradox: global warming as the culprit for bone-chilling cold." - Victor Ganata
"'It’s an interesting idea, but alternative observational analyses and simulations with climate models have not confirmed the hypothesis, and we do not view the theoretical arguments underlying it as compelling,' write five preeminent climate scientists (John Wallace, Isaac Held, David Thompson, Kevin Trenberth, and John Walsh) in a recent letter published in Science Magazine." - Victor Ganata
"The truth is that cold extremes are in the midst of unmistakable decline in the U.S. As the Science magazine letter notes: 'Cold air outbreaks even more severe than occurred this winter affected the United States in the early 1960s, the late 1970s (most notably 1977), and in 1983, back when the Arctic sea ice was thicker and more extensive than it is today… Over the longer time span of... more... - Victor Ganata
Like that XKCD comic says…. http://xkcd.com/1321/ - Victor Ganata
"Francis agrees cold extremes have faded and expects this trend to continue. She told the NY Times’ Andrew Revkin her work has been presented incorrectly: 'The media certainly had a field day with the 'attack of the polar vortex' in early January, and in their hyping of the story, some misquoted me (and others) by saying that climate change caused the unusual cold spell. Of course this... more... - Victor Ganata
"The misinterpretation and criticism of her work notwithstanding, Francis stands by her theory that, even as climate stays on a warming course, an erratic jet stream will bring greater weather variability. In her remarks to Revkin, she uses this year’s dramatic weather pattern as a case in point: "….the amazing persistence of this winter’s highly amplified pattern is an example of this... more... - Victor Ganata
Read the actual text of the prediction from the IPCC in 2007 assuming no more GHG was emitted beginning in 2000. https://www.ipcc.ch/publica... This is the actual warming since 2000. http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot... - Eric Logan
This is unadjusted. http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot... Not only did emissions not stop they increased more then predicted. - Eric Logan
That graph actually really does show a +0.2 degree change over the last 14 years. - Victor Ganata
Eric, out of curiosity, did you note that woodfortrees.org also writes "Please read the notes on things to beware of - and in particular on the problems with short, cherry-picked trends." ? - Andrew C (✔)
If you want to see it that way, I guess you can call it +0.4 if you go from high to low and that's adjusted data. Except the actual mean has not changed at all since 1998. http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot... - Eric Logan
"Even if the concentrations of all greenhouse gases and aerosols had been kept constant at year 2000 levels, a further warming of about 0.1°C per decade would be expected." - Eric Logan
Victor, if you add the trend line to Eric's graph, the temp rise in 14 years is 0.05C not 0.2C. Take a look. http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot... - MRW_8
If you start at 1994 instead of 1998, it's clear the mean has in fact changed. - Victor Ganata
It was way less than that, Eric. - MRW_8
St Paul, MN is warmer than in my youth. That is of course merely my observation of course but 62 years in the same location and even the polar vortex us warmer than those January days - WarLord
Yes, but the great thing for deniers (not skeptics) is that 1998 is an awesome year for cherrypicking. http://grist.org/article... - Andrew C (✔)
I was being sarcastic MRW_8. Anyone who was actually read up on this topic knows that even the scientists who wrote the forecasts have admitted that in the last 17 years we have .05 degrees of warming. If they wasn't the case we would not even be having this discussion. - Eric Logan
If you want to measure global warming, you need to use this chart with the RSS (satellite) MSU Lower Trop Global Mean. Global Warming is generally tracked in the equator in the Lower Troposphere because it's the most sensitive. http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot... - MRW_8
K ;-) - MRW_8
Andrew, 1998 was the El Nino. It was hot. - MRW_8
Right, so you wouldn't see any dramatic increases from 1998. It's not a good baseline year. You want a year that's more "typical". - Victor Ganata
Yes, I know. (It's almost as if I read the link I posted here.) Hence why it's great for saying temps since 1998 haven't really gotten hotter. - Andrew C (✔)
"Depending on your preconceptions, by picking your start and end times carefully, you can now 'prove' that: Temperature is falling! Temperature is static! Temperature is rising! Temperature is rising really fast!" http://www.woodfortrees.org/notes#t... - Victor Ganata
The problem all of your contortions is that the IPCC has a very specific start date since 2000. I didn't write the report. - Eric Logan
So you can prove that their predictions are wrong specifically based on their time frame not an arbitrary one. - Eric Logan
A +0.05 degree increase in temperature over 14 years doesn't prove or disprove anything, though. - Victor Ganata
If we get an ENSO positive year this year or the next, it's almost certain that the increase will be greater than +0.05 degrees. Are you going to change your mind about the IPCC then? - Victor Ganata
Sure will the first time that they get a prediction correct. Wait for it. - Eric Logan
Not accepting adjusted data though been watching to long. - Eric Logan
You understand they're not predicting the exact average temperature for an exact year, right? Like, they're looking at trend lines? If you look at the 30 year trend, the average temperature could actually drop and still be consistent with the trend. - Victor Ganata
"If you look at the trend data, you can see the current trends in °C, between 0.14-0.16°C/decade." The last decade/14 years is no real exception to this. - Victor Ganata
"Sure will" -- you and the other deniers will always, always find some excuse to back out. Remember when Watts & co pledged to support the results of the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project because they were sure it'd back them up and when it didn't, they suddenly found problems with the methodology where they didn't before? I'll give you guys one thing: you're world-champion weasels. - Andrew C (✔)
I understand exactly whats going on. The politicians that keep getting scientists to resign to maintain an artificial consensus are not real secretive about it. “We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” Timothy Wirth U.N. - Eric Logan
“A global warming treaty [Kyoto] must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the [enhanced] greenhouse effect. climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”” - Richard Benedick - State Dept. - Eric Logan
“For the first time, humanity is instituting a genuine instrument of global governance, one that should find a place within the World Environmental Organization which France and the European Union would like to see established.” - Jacque Chirac - Eric Logan
“The threat of environmental crisis will be the international disaster key to unlock the New World Order.” - Mikhail Gorbachev 1996 - Eric Logan
“one has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth” - Ottmar Edenhofer IPCC - Eric Logan
(I love how all the denialist pages have the same quotes, and *always* without context to the full speech... Funny how context matters sometimes and sometimes it totally doesn't.) - Andrew C (✔)
Meanwhile, the denialists can prop up Muller's BEST project and then dump it when Muller doesn't play ball and no one sees the contradiction. Muller was always an enemy of the cause. Faaaaantastic. - Andrew C (✔)
Eric, you're clearly getting all those quotes from one place, whether it's http://www.forbes.com/sites... or some other page, so why not pass the link along? - Andrew C (✔)
Here is the context Andrew. Ready read. Edenhofer: That will change immediately if global emission rights are distributed. If this happens, on a per capita basis, then Africa will be the big winner, and huge amounts of money will flow there. This will have enormous implications for development policy. And it will raise the question if these countries can deal responsibly with so much money at all. - Eric Logan
NZZ: That does not sound anymore like the climate policy that we know. - Eric Logan
Edenhofer: Basically it’s a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War. Why? Because we have 11,000 gigatons of carbon in the coal reserves in the soil under our feet—and we must emit only... more... - Eric Logan
NZZ: De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy. - Eric Logan
Edenhofer: First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole. - Eric Logan
Yes sites actually aggregate quotes. I would be happy to put every one of them in context. You have been trotting out Skeptical science for 6 years. - Eric Logan
"Here is the context Andrew" - nice try, but I meant I want to see the full text of the Tim Wirth (and others) speeches, and I have been overwhelmed by the numerous numerous denialist pages that all pick the same isolated quotes. - Andrew C (✔)
I will humor you one more time Andrew, but can we start Edenhofer? Is he talking about climate or economics ? - Eric Logan
"Hey, here's a bunch of quotes denialists love, since my IPCC vs trends argument has derailed. Why won't you now deal with that instead?" - Andrew C (✔) from Android
Since there are other good reasons not to burn up all the fossil fuels in the world all at once in an orgy of "development" besides anthropogenic global warming, it's kind of moot anyway. - Victor Ganata from iPhone
Is the context clear on the Edenhofer quote ? I am ready to move to the next one. - Eric Logan
Basically the denialists hypothesis is that if we don't burn up fossil fuels as fast as we can, there will be some terrible catastrophe. Who's the alarmist now? - Victor Ganata from iPhone
Andrew, The trends are as clear as the context of Edenhofer's quotes. - Eric Logan
"Is the context clear on the Edenhofer quote ?" - are you out of your mind? I meant I want to see the full context of the Wirth quote. It's clear you don't have it and won't admit it, so sure, I guess we can move on. But I think it's a shame you're copying and pasting the same old denialist quotes and arguments without just giving us the page you're getting it from. - Andrew C (✔) from Android
One at a time you can't even answer the question on Edenhofer and I am the weasel. - Eric Logan
[We] are not just scientists but human beings as well. And like most people we'd like to see the world a better place?. To do that we need to get some broad-based support, to capture the public's imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have?. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest." - Stephen Schneider - Eric Logan
Original source for the Tim Wirth Quote is Less Burning, No Tears By BY ROCHELLE L. STANFIELD, National Journal © National Journal Group Inc. Saturday, Aug. 13, 1988 - Eric Logan
"One at a time" - yeah, and I was writing to ask for the Worth quote source before you switched tracks again. Nice try. - Andrew C (✔) from Android
Wirth Walks---State official will leave global-warming effort to work with Turner's UN money CNN 11/20/97 WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, Nov. 20) -- Global-warming treaty talks begin in Kyoto, Japan, next month, but the head of the U.S. delegation has turned in his walking papers. Undersecretary of State Timothy Wirth, a former Democratic senator from Colorado, has decided to leave the State... more... - Eric Logan
I'm on my phone at the moment but I'll come back to the Edenhofer stuff if the Worth source pans out. - Andrew C (✔) from Android
Here is another money quote. "However, because the proposed treaty would be binding only on developed countries, it would encourage a redistribution of emissions (and economic growth). from rich to poor countries. As a result, the treaty would actually harm American industries and workers, significantly increase the cost of living and contribute little to reducing global warming - if, in fact, it is occurring." - Eric Logan
""What we've got to do in energy conservation is try to ride the global warming issue," said Sen. Timothy E. Wirth, D-Colo., the Energy and Natural Resources Committee's point man on that issue and chairman of the Alliance to Save Energy. "Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, to have approached global warming as if it is real means energy conservation, so we will be doing the... more... - Andrew C (✔)
As for Edenhofer, I've been reading the Bing-translated NZZ article (http://www.nzz.ch/aktuell...) and he starts off by saying that economic productivity is so far tightly correlated to CO2 emissions, so from there, what he says is logical: holding down emissions would be politically impossible to get developing or developed nations to buy into, esp those that -have- fossil fuels and must therefore be convinced not to burn them. - Andrew C (✔)
But I don't see any particularly sinister intent there. I don't think he's a secret commie who's using climate change as a lever to redistribute wealth; I think he's talking about how voluntary reductions in emissions (and extraction, I guess) can easily appear to developing nations like a "fuck you, I got mine" stance, whereby the developed world has benefited from fossil fuel use and... more... - Andrew C (✔)
The thing is, talking about how developing/undeveloped countries will feel about not being able to extract/burn fossil fuels is almost kind of concern trolling, though. These states often neither have the homegrown technology, industrial expertise, infrastructure, nor the funds to develop these necessary components in order to exploit their fuel reserves anyway, and they would require a... more... - Victor Ganata
Welll... "developing countries" includes Brazil, Russia, India, China... (I know they're called BRIC, but they missed a bet not calling it a BRIC bloc) - Andrew C (✔)
Fair enough. Even still, even BRICS seem to have more will to tackle climate change than we do. It's not like some of them don't have a lot to lose if the ocean rises. The denialists seem to be firmly entrenched more in well-established industrialized nations. - Victor Ganata
Andrew you get credit in my view for being quite the apologist. I will stick to Wirth for now since that's what you requested. I honestly don't see much difference between the quote attribution whether you include this line or not. ""What we've got to do in energy conservation is try to ride the global warming issue," He is clearly not concerned with veracity of science. "Even if the... more... - Eric Logan
It's generally the case that we as a country don't make policy decisions based solely on scientific research anyway so I don't see any problem. If we did use science as our sole guide for policy, our funding priorities would be way different than they are. - Victor Ganata from iPhone
Big Oil is counting on climate change in order to make more profits http://friendfeed.com/aswang... — Just because people are trying to push policy to make tons of money or pursue a more general agenda does nothing to invalidate the science. You actually have to do science to invalidate science. - Victor Ganata
I wasn't trying to invalidate the science. Diminution effect is also science. Anyone who has read up on the topic knows there was a period of warming followed by recent stagnation which is where we are today. The point is that the agenda has little or nothing to do with science it's not new and you can call it any loaded term you want. Fascism, Communism, Marxism, Opportunism. THE ENRON... more... - Eric Logan
Tim Wirth was involved with this guy. Paul Henry O'Neill Published: December 21, 2000 Early in his tenure at Alcoa, Paul H. O'Neill faced the sort of public relations crisis that keeps corporate chief executives awake nights. The National Wildlife Federation was holding a news conference in Washington to denounce the Pittsburgh aluminum manufacturer as the nation's single worst polluter.http://www.nytimes.com/2000... - Eric Logan
What exactly is the point of bringing up Enron since it no longer exists, though? Like I said, lots of people have their own reasons for pushing environmental policy. Not all of them are virtuous or transparent. So what? - Victor Ganata
That story is the genesis of a nexus between deals that involve picking winners and losers that are politically connected and have absolutely nothing to do with climate change or lack thereof. Stockman calls it the great deformation. Today not back then ==> Feb 18 (Reuters) - General Motors Co is working towards a largely aluminum-bodied pickup truck by late 2018, under pressure from... more... - Eric Logan
Read the context of Timothy Wirth source quote again pay attention to the cafe standards. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus... and remember that this just happened because of this "Aluminum sheet for automotive bodies is in such high demand that companies need to order it years in advance." A Shuffle of Aluminum, but to Banks, Pure Gold. http://www.nytimes.com/2013... - Eric Logan
Alcoa the nations single worst polluter circa 2000 is now the answer to climate change. It was a gamble 30 days ago now it's a sure bet. Ford’s decision (some say brave, a few say foolhardy, but only time will tell) to switch their largest-selling model – indeed, the USA’s largest-selling model – from a steel body to an all-aluminum body this year is likely to tug the rest of the... more... - Eric Logan
So… what exactly does this have to do with AGW? In what industry do the big players *not* try to curry political favor? This is all business-as-usual, not shocking Enquirer-style bombshells. - Victor Ganata
Nothing. I was trying to explain the context of the quote as requested by Andrew through out the thread. ""What we've got to do in energy conservation is try to ride the global warming issue," said Sen. Timothy E. Wirth, D-Colo., the Energy and Natural Resources Committee's point man on that issue and chairman of the Alliance to Save Energy. "Even if the theory of global warming is... more... - Eric Logan
Well, like I said, there are lots of good reasons to not extract and burn all the fossil fuels all at once that don't entirely depend on just reducing CO2 emissions. - Victor Ganata
Like Andrew points out, he said that in 1988. That seems to be the key context here. I'm thinking most climate scientists would say we have a clearer picture 25 years later. - Victor Ganata
"The point is that the agenda has little or nothing to do with science" -- But surely you aren't suggesting that the side with worse science -- the side that claims solar forcing even though there's no evidence for that, the side that rallied behind Muller's BEST project then dumped it when they didn't get the desired results, the one that has engineers and physicists and economists but... more... - Andrew C (✔)
IMO there is a counter-agenda, it is _remarkably_ less scientific than the AGW "agenda", and none of your claims of "being skeptical" actually align with the way those denialist fuckers cherrypick facts and throw chaff in every direction to distract from what the available science actually says. - Andrew C (✔)
I agree that there is a counter agenda that there is a faction in the debate that is deceived by psuedoscientific nonsense. I have read plenty of it. It doesn't change the fact that there also exists a strong propaganda effort best summarized by many good scientists. who have resigned and written letters protesting it. Chris Landsea resigned because of Trenberth who in the O.P. is... more... - Eric Logan
Landsea objected to the claim (essentially) that hurricanes were made significantly worse by AGW, but years after resigning from the IPCC he still thinks AGW itself is real: http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd... - Andrew C (✔)
I agree that it's real. His views on hurricanes have also been vindicated by the historical record since his resignation IMO, but I can show you lots of posts claiming a strong AGW signal in cyclonic activity still to this day. - Eric Logan
Honestly, maybe climate science works different from other fields, but the impression I get is that it really doesn't. It's just like any cutting edge scientific endeavor with lots of conflicts of interest. But I don't understand the undue fixation on the IPCC. It's not the only source of information. To me, it just seems like a big meta-analysis. A good overview of the topic, but not... more... - Victor Ganata
I mean, if politicians want to base their policy decisions entirely on a meta-analysis, that's their problem, really. It doesn't mean the science is bad. - Victor Ganata
The IPCC and the UN don't care about the science they care about the policy objectives. That's why honest brokers get goose stepped out of those bodies. - Eric Logan
I think that's a gross oversimplification. It's a meta-analysis, not a free-for-all. But it's ridiculous to expect scientists not to have policy objectives. Science doesn't happen in a vacuum. It's actually better if scientists lay their agenda on the table rather than pretending fake objectivity. - Victor Ganata
If a scientist believed - with good reason - that AGW is a real threat, why would she or he NOT have also have AGW-related policy objectives? We all gotta live on this planet. - Andrew C (✔)
What you're asking for is like asking big pharma never to fund clinical studies. That's just stupid. - Victor Ganata
Or asking Big Oil never to fund climate studies. No, what they should do is fund the studies and make sure the authors write in their paper that they're funded by Big Oil. - Victor Ganata
The idea that science is "objective" in the sense that it has no agenda and is politically neutral is, for better or worse, a quaint antiquated notion. In practice, what you're actually supposed to do is admit that you have in-grained biases and then you try to make them completely explicit in your write up so people know where you're coming from. You don't hide behind a facade of unassailable pseudo-objectivity as if your findings are unquestionable. - Victor Ganata
I disagree. I will let an actual scientist answer that one. I agree with her and this pressure she is under should not be happening especially in light of where we are relative to actual observations. As a climate scientist, I’m under pressure to be a political advocate. This comes mainly from environmentalists. Dan Cass, wind-farm director and solar advocate, preferred me not to waste... more... - Eric Logan
Real science is not authoritative. It's adversarial. Everyone has an agenda, whether they admit it or not. That's just life. Clamoring for some unattainable objectivity is kind of insane. - Victor Ganata
If a nearsighted person is driving (this is the best analogy I could come up with in just a few minutes) and a person with good eyesight sits in the passenger seat, why is "there's a parked car in the lane up ahead" fine but "there's a parked car in the lane up ahead; you should change into the left lane" unacceptable? - Andrew C (✔)
Look, that's a scientist's prerogative if they want to pretend to objectivity, but no one is objective. Disagree all you want, but I think you're just grossly misunderstanding how it all works. - Victor Ganata
I think I do understand how it works I have read a lot of resignation letters too. They are usually pretty thorough explanations. - Eric Logan
That stance is exactly like saying that studies should never be funded by people with agenda. How little science would actually get done if this were standard practice. - Victor Ganata
It's actually ironic, because if you were someone who actually thought your data and conclusions (and conflicts of interest) could just stand on their own, and you weren't actually concerned about guiding policy, you wouldn't worry about whether your actions erode public trust. You'd actually publish your data and conclusions and conflicts of interest and let the policy-makers decide how much they're going to trust you. - Victor Ganata
I think Tamsin Edwards is pretty clear that she is being pressured to be a policy advocate. What's wrong with her just presenting her findings? Why apply pressure if the answers are so obvious ? - Eric Logan
The more I think about it, the more the idea of scientists remaining neutral seems like total crap. I mean, think about it. Historically, Einstein and Oppenheimer were vehement about their opposition to using the nuclear bomb on people, while Teller was gung-ho and all for it. I'm sure there are tons of examples where scientists freely expressed their opinions about what should be done with their findings. - Victor Ganata
If Edwards doesn't want to express her opinions, then she doesn't have to (although that's actually kind of dishonest in my eyes—to me, transparency is the best policy) - Victor Ganata
I mean, you honestly think Sabin and Salk didn't have an agenda when they researched their vaccines? C'mon. - Victor Ganata
We have scientists advocating nuclear power, scientists advocating more space exploration, scientists making species conservation recommendations. Scientists advocate policy *all* the time. It makes no sense that climate science should somehow differ in this regard. - Victor Ganata
Pretty much the conclusion of every paper I've ever read *is* policy advocacy in one form or another. - Victor Ganata
Advocating for space exploration does not have as many potential investment ramifications nor does conservation for the most part. Space exploration dollars are most assuredly going to a defense contractor. I guess nuclear power advocacy does because of the companies involved in building infrastructure and power generation. Comparing climate science to medical science is a poor analogy.... more... - Eric Logan
Yeah, I don't buy the artificial separation. I think the differences from other sciences are overstated. Well, we all have our own agenda. - Victor Ganata
Like nuclear warfare advocacy/opposition has less of an impact on the world than climate change advocacy/opposition. Hah! - Victor Ganata
We where at war any scientist opposed to the project should have resigned. I have always thought Oppenheimer's quote peculiar what did he think they where going to do with the bomb. Brandish it? - Eric Logan
Yes, there were many nuclear scientists who believed a demonstration would've been just as effective as vaporizing thousands of people. - Victor Ganata
But regardless of how you feel about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it's demonstrably false that scientists never advocate their policy preferences. - Victor Ganata
And it's demonstrably false that policy advocacy impugns the actual science. Despite Einstein's adamant opposition to the use of the bomb, he's still one of the most revered scientists and his theories are still considered essentially correct. - Victor Ganata
Rotblat did resign and advocated for a Hippocratic oath for scientists till his death in 2005. - Eric Logan
"Comparing climate science to medical science is a poor analogy. Climate science differs in many ways from most other scientific endeavors." - yes, unlike medical science, with climate science people's lives and livelihoods are at stake. - Andrew C (✔)
If you want to use a medical analogy what would happen if a lead author of the Merck manual said this about the section of the manual they previously authored ? "I think that the latest IPCC report has truly sunk to level of hilarious incoherence. They are proclaiming increased confidence in their models as the discrepancies between their models and observations increase. Their excuse... more... - Eric Logan
Victor Ganata
So even with all the snow, a lot of regions in the Midwest still haven't gotten as much precipitation as they usually do. http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu
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California obviously has it the worst, but it doesn't look like we're the only ones a little short on water. - Victor Ganata
How we fare in MN (Midwest) is now dependent on spring thaw. Slow with lots of freeze cycles at night is good. Lakes rise, ground water and aquifers recharge. Fast thaw all at once, and all we do is make a big Mississippi flood downstream #helloneworleans - WarLord
Yeah, slow melt is the key. Melting too fast can cause localized flooding as well. - John (bird whisperer)
WarLord
The Exploitative Business Logics Behind the Sharing Economy http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/the-exp...
The sharing economy equals low wages! What do TaskRabbit, Fancy Hands and Amazon’s Mechanical Turk have in common? They provide ways for people to get paid as little as possible for temp labor broken down into the smallest possible jobs (getting your cable service cancelled, making a dentist appointment, cleaning out the junk in your basement. Hooray for Silicon Valley: These startups have managed to create a truly efficient labor market. Workers get no benefits and aren’t covered by minimum-wage laws. The sharing economy: Where everyone is an independent contractor competing against everyone else for crumbs. - WarLord
. Insurance Who is responsible when something goes wrong? This is a huge issue for ride-sharing services. On New Year’s Eve, an Uber driver who was in between fares hit and killed a 6-year-old child. As Marcus Wohlsen explained in Wired, Uber is trying to make the case that since it was not “’providing services on the Uber system’ at the time of the accident,” and, as such, the company... more... - WarLord
Regulation Many municipalities have laws on the books forbidding homeowners from renting out their rooms for less than 30 or 60 days. The reason? To prevent landlords from operating unregulated hotels. Real hotels are required to adhere to a raft of safety regulations designed to protect the public welfare. Apartments rented out through AirBnB avoid those regulations, even if they are,... more... - WarLord
Not much sharing in the sharing economy just straight up greed by the owners - WarLord
Jkram|ɯɐɹʞſ
I've gone out into the snowstorm twice to knock snow of of my "ornamental" trees. Now they're drooping again but it's late and I'm too damn tired to wade thru snow that's above my knees. I lost 5 trees in this kind of snow last year. Hopingit won't be that bad this time. #ObligatoryWeatherPost
I think you're getting slammed worse than us with this storm But it's plenty wet sticky snow on the trees here too - WarLord
lris
Skating to Bolero should come with an automatic 5-point penalty.
This is true. Or to Les Miz. - Zamms
Only if you wear your hair in corn rows - WarLord
How about skating to Korn? - Joe - Systems Analyst
Or they could just ban certain pieces, I know when I was singing Caro Mio Ben was banned from some competitions/auditions - Hedgehog
Zamms
Bezic: "It was a flawless program." Jennifer: "Except for the part where she fell."
Also, every compliment about Gold's classic style is actually a compliment for Frank Carroll. - Zamms
Well, yes and no. You compare Gold to little Lippie, Gold is much nicer to watch. That's not all Carroll. - RepoRat
I swear to god, for a moment there, I thought when you said little Lippie, you meant Ashley Wagner. - Zamms
lolnope, though I can see why you might think so. meant The Lipnitskaya. - RepoRat
:) I think Gracie can take her out in 2018. - Zamms
Quite likely, especially considering that her body will likely change quite a lot in four years. - RepoRat
AND THERE IS AN ARMY OF RUSSIAN 11 YEAR OLD SKATERS WAITING IN THE WINGS! BWAHAHAHA! #putin - Zamms
Home court advantage - WarLord
Micah
Gin, you're not my only friend, but let's hang out a while.
FOAF - Meg VMeg
I'm your only friend; I'm not your only friend, but I'm a little glowing friend, but really I'm not actually your friend; but I am. - Tinfoil 2.0
When I drink gin I feel like I'm cheating on my true love vodka - WarLord
In that case, I guess I'm "poly-amorous" - MoTO Moca Blend
Victor Ganata
Q: Is fire a plasma? What is plasma? - Ask a Mathematician/Physicist http://www.askamathematician.com/2013...
Linked for this comment: "If fire is more conductive than air, does that mean a tree on fire would be more likely to be hit by lightning than one not on fire?" Now I want to find out. - Victor Ganata
a flame safeguard control for large gas burners uses fires electrical properties to verify that the flame lit safely Flame Rectification http://www.wardburner.com/flamere... - WarLord
Sean McBride
Kurt Vonnegut Diagrams the Shape of All Stories in a Master’s Thesis Rejected by U. Chicago http://zite.to/N65fvy
Kurt Vonnegut Diagrams the Shape of All Stories in a Master’s Thesis Rejected by U. Chicago http://zite.to/N65fvy
He missed "The Quest" and "Horatio Alger" - WarLord
Eric Logan
Michigan Union Publishes 'Freeloaders List' | National Review Online - http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...
Michigan Union Publishes 'Freeloaders List' | National Review Online
When Michigan became a right-to-work state last year, unions misleadingly contended that it was unfair because they would be forced to represent even those who were no longer paying dues. Now, Operating Engineers Local 324 has made this accusation personal: When workers opt out of union membership, the union publishes their names and places of work in a quarterly “Freeloaders List.” That puts non-union workers at increased risk of intimidation and violence—something that’s certainly not unprecedented in Michigan. Regardless, there’s currently no law preventing unions such as Michigan’s Local 324 from publishing lists of members who opt out, says Richard Berman, executive director of the Center for Union Facts. Furthermore, unions’ claims about “freeloading” are deceptive. Unions do have to offer representation to both dues-paying members and those who opted out—but only because they actually chose to do so during contract negotiations, says Patrick Semmens, vice president of the National Right to Work Foundation. - Eric Logan from Bookmarklet
But they are freeloaders. They get a service without payment. the very definition of freeloading. Right to work is merely the right to work really cheap.... - WarLord
WarLord
#balance Meet The Press and their commitment to making every issue binary, that is a conflict between left and right is microcosm of all that is bad in modern journalism Some day a massive earthquake will cause billions in damages on the West Coast. Count on MTP to have a Seismologist who will talk about tectonic plates and an Evangelical who
and an Evangelical who will talk about God's punishment. And thus will needed "balance" be achieved - WarLord
WarLord
Plot Bunnies are over-running my Writing Garden After watching The Lego Movie I wondered if I could spin off a Sci Fi “post-apoc” or “benevolent alien” story...?!? For instance: The aliens offer my protagonist a new life on an untamed planet. They give him a modest container of tools and a great pile of “super-sized” Legos suitable for building a...
They give him a modest container of tools and a great pile of “super-sized” Legos suitable for building a “real” cabin, barn, fort, etc My question after watching the movie. How big (what dimensions) should these blocks be ro scale like the movie? What should they be made of? Carbon Nano? Titanium? Wood? Concrete? What...? Do you think it would be a fun read? - WarLord
WarLord
West Coast apocalypse: How “earthquake storms” could devastate California http://www.salon.com/2014... via @Salon A major earthquake wouldn't just be disastrous in its own right — it could trigger an even deadlier chain reaction
(Contrary to popular opinion, when a major earthquake happens, the chance of another major event happening soon after does not decrease, but increases dramatically. For example, for any three-day period, the chance of a major earthquake occurring somewhere in California is 1 in 100,000; however, if a major earthquake has just happened, then the chance of another earthquake of equal or greater magnitude striking in the next three days is 1 in 10, a sobering statistic and one that needs to be known by anyone involved in rescue operations after a major seismic event.) - WarLord
Thomas Jordan, director of the Southern California Earthquake Center at the University of Southern California located in Los Angeles, and a member of the group that produced the 2008 report and an update, has put it bluntly: This segment of “the San Andreas Fault is locked and loaded and ready to rumble.” But when? Jordan and others say there is a 59% chance that a magnitude-6.7 or... more... - WarLord
But one thing is certain: The last 100 years in California—which happen to correspond to a period of rapid urban growth—have been a period of seismic calm. That cannot continue. - WarLord
I'll take my blizzards thank you very much - WarLord
Miriella
I'm sure that's a typo. 1-3 inches PER HOUR tonight?? Lolpants. #snOMG #snowpocalypse http://instagram.com/p...
I'm sure that's a typo. 1-3 inches PER HOUR tonight?? Lolpants. #snOMG #snowpocalypse http://instagram.com/p/kYR-QgjpFN/
typical rate for a snowstorm here on the tundra in Minnesota - WarLord
I don't think it's a typo. - Jim is digging out.
Wait and see. - m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
So far no dice. But the night is young. We got probably almost a foot today. And apparently more is coming on Saturday? This is really going to complicate #geocaching over the weekend. Heh. - Miriella from Android
WarLord
#foodie #salt ‘Salt to taste,’ taken with a grain of regret http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifesty... "... One thing culinary professionals can agree on is that home cooks of this era don’t have the touch for efficient salting ..."
"... “the simple act of salting food is so ancient, varied and essential that we have been lulled into believing we know how to do it, but most often, we don’t.” ..." - WarLord
"... .” The amount of salt from a shaker is trivial compared with what can be ingested from processed/prepared foods, he says. ..." - WarLord
"... The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention agree, citing that more than 40 percent of Americans’ sodium intake comes from a mere 10 foods we buy or order at restaurants: bread; cold cuts/cured meats; pizza; fresh and processed poultry; soups; sandwiches; cheese; pasta dishes; meat-mixed dishes such as meatloaf with tomato sauce; and the snack trinity of pretzels, chips and popcorn ..." - WarLord
Melly
I'm giggling at all y'all talking about how many inches you got #iam12
Oh Melly....smh - Uli
There's how many inches we've gotten and then there's how many we'll get later. - John (bird whisperer)
I don't think there are ANY inches in my forecast. - Uli
Well, updated report said 24" - I am not even 12 nor a porn star for this report. ;) - Janet
I've read that you gain and inch for every 30 pounds of weight loss. If I get down to my target weight I'll be shoveling for days! #weightWHUT? - Jkram|ɯɐɹʞſ
Mark... x__x - Uli
Mark, I am personally not seeing this. :^) - Friar Will
Its all Melly's fault. SHE STARTED IT! - Jkram|ɯɐɹʞſ
Mark :-) - Stephan Planken from iPhone
Markie Holmes? - Janet
O_O - Peter Dawson
Minnesotans tend ti say: You never know haw many inches you'll get or how long it will last ;) - WarLord
Steven Perez
The Little Girl from the 1981 LEGO Ad is All Grown Up, and She’s Got Something to Say via @womenysk http://www.womenyoushouldknow.net/little-...
The Little Girl from the 1981 LEGO Ad is All Grown Up, and She’s Got Something to Say via @womenysk http://www.womenyoushouldknow.net/little-girl-1981-lego-ad-grown-shes-got-something-say/
Oddly the Lego Movie "gets it' with Elizabeth Banks as Wyldstyle - WarLord
WarLord
From: Global Guerilla's Taking Down Silicon Valley's Electrical Grid with Rifles? http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalg...
Last year, one or two people shot up a electrical substation in central California that fed Silicon Valley. As is usual in this type of attack, it was successful yet nobody was arrested or hurt -- which makes attacks like this easier to recruit for and easier to repeat. The attackers initiated the attack at ~1 AM on April 16, 2013 and ended it ~1 hour later. Here's what they did: - WarLord
•Entered two different manholes and cut the communication landlines to the station area (911 service to security monitoring at the substation). ~Sawzall attack. •Systematically shot up the substation. 10 transformers were damaged in on section of the station. ~100 bullets. Here's some surveillance video on YouTube of the attack. •Three transformer banks were also damaged. Bullet holes... more... - WarLord
The attack likely had three objectives: •To test the security of the station. From how easily it was accessed (this station was 500ft from a residential area) to response times. Results: few security barriers. It took the police 10 min after shooting reported to respond, it was quiet when the arrived and they left. It took the power company nearly an hour to respond. •To test the... more... - WarLord
Who needs "stuxnet' when you can accomplish same thing with simple brute force... - WarLord
and this video of official response http://youtu.be/XHFl5W20OC0 - WarLord
WarLord
From Global Guerrillas: Ouroboros -- the fate of the modern way of life -- Ouroboros is the mythical snake that eats its own tail. Ouroboros1 In this case, it represents how modernity ends. It eats itself. Specifically, the technologies the modern system accelerated, are in the process of obsoleting it. Eating its value, industry by industry. Job...
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Victor Ganata
That's the second case of Stage IV lung cancer in a woman who has never smoked in her life and as far as I know hasn't been exposed to a lot of second hand smoke and hasn't had any industrial exposure. Damn.
:( - Micah
Lost a good friend, never smoked, never allowed smoking in her home,, soft ball player, to lung cancer - WarLord
Lung cancer research doesn't get near as much funding as other cancers and it's a damn shame. - Yvonne from FFHound!
I think it's more that most of the funding goes to smoking-related lung cancers. It's like if you're not a smoker, we never figure it out until it's too late. - Victor Ganata
Sean McBride
New interactive map shows what Earth will look like when all the ice melts http://zite.to/LMtoX0
New interactive map shows what Earth will look like when all the ice melts http://zite.to/LMtoX0
I'm curious, does it assume Great Lakes" increase as well? Can't tell from pic #inquiringminds - WarLord
Not sure -- there is a great deal of discussion on that topic generally netwide: [Google; global warming great lakes http://www.google.com/#q=glob...] - Sean McBride
"North America: The entire Atlantic seaboard would vanish, along with Florida and the Gulf Coast. In California, San Francisco's hills would become a cluster of islands and the Central Valley a giant bay. The Gulf of California would stretch north past the latitude of San Diego—not that there'd be a San Diego." - Sean McBride
WarLord
The Farm Bill shows us once again why President Obama is the best Republican President since Bill Clinton #bluedogs #neocons #assholes
I think Obama's liberal critics need to recognize the constraints that Obama works under. While he has freedom of movement on some issues (ones that can be dealt with through executive order or regulatory agencies), for things like the farm bill, he needs the consent of the Republican-controlled House and a Senate where filibusters are routine. When one party is determined to gut anything that isn't a handout to their preferred industries, the results are going to be pretty ugly, from a liberal perspective. - John (bird whisperer)
Yes I understand "the party of NO" is in charge of the House but when you begin by conceding cuts to Food Stamps and negotiate the amount, when you concede removal of long term unemployment in the budget bill -- you are playing Blue Dog. When it mattered fir his Wall Street Pals ie Debt Ceiling Obama can hang tough for middle class, not so much - WarLord
Steve C
I'm sorry but often times the thing the Olympics make me think most every two years is wow, what a stupid sport.
Tonights example: freestyle mogul skiing. - Steve C
It makes me think who's going to get robbed next in boxing. - Rodfather
I think, "Man, NBC sucks with the jingoism.", "[NBC host] is a moron.", "Hey! What about the country that actually won the [medal(s)]?" and "I didn't know the Olympics were only the US, Canada, GBR & maybe the host country." and "I can't believe they think time delay and these craptastic edits are interesting." - Anika
They can't all be chess :) - Eivind
Freestyle chess. To the death. - Micah
Curling is the best sport EVAH! #oldguyschanceatamedal - WarLord
Holy crap they made figure skating a team event. Shoot me now. - Steve C
SteVe, that would be the synchronized biathlon. - Greg GuitarBuster
Hah :) - Steve C
Young people jumping in the air and getting points for doing tricks? What a crazy idea! It'll never catch on unless, say, some energy drink manufacturer were to sponsor some kind of "extreme" sports events on a regular basis. - Steel Penguin Slippy
And here I thought that pairs skating and ice dancing were already team events. - John (bird whisperer)
That's how I feel about that combo shoot and ski sport. - Jenny H. from Android
I understand the biathlon. There was a time when being able to ski and then be steady enough to shoot was a survival skill. What I don't get are events like table tennis and basketball. - m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
I love biathlon precisely because it seems like a real-life skill. - Betsy
Add the new subjective artistic scoring elements of ski jumping to my do not like list. - Steve C
New artistic scoring element? I thought style points have always been awarded in ski jumping. - Mark H
You might be right Mark artistic element has been around for at least three Olympics but I wasn't a grumpy old man till now :) - Steve C
I didn't understand the biathlon when I was a kid. But in my teens I started cross-country skiing and realized how exerting it is if you're going for speed. Really gets the heart going because you're using all your muscles intensively at the same time. Then when I understood that to shoot a rifle accurately you need to be able to control your heartbeat, slowing it down sufficiently to... more... - Jkram|ɯɐɹʞſ
Andrew C (✔)
I'm not a narcissist, but when I look at the veins in my arm, I like to imagine they make a map of rivers of a magical fantasy nation.
and thus the quest begins - WarLord
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