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Brian Solis at Bub.blicio.us: Introducing the FriendFeed Team - http://bub.blicio.us/1111126...

May 29 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

Tudor Bosman, Lysender, ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0, and 148 other people liked this

Brian, as always, takes great pictures, even with questionable subjects. The pictures are from tonight's open house. - Louis Gray from Bookmarklet

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Great pic Louis and tell them I love them all, best product on the web right now - Thomas Power

Great photo! - Bret Taylor

Left to right, as if you didn't know already: Dan Hsiao, Casey Muller, Ana Yang, Jim Norris, Tudor Bosman, Bret Taylor, Paul Buchheit (with Camilla), Sanjeev Singh, Kevin Fox. - Tudor Bosman

yes; awesome photo! - Tudor Bosman

(Not pictured: Ben Golub, Gary Burd and Ross Miller) - Louis Gray

Some of our Turkish friends are also there http://ff.im/3mt6T.. Thanks for the pictures - Murat Buyurgan

Great Photo :) - Nimaa

You didn't tell me there was a FriendFeed party this week or I would have come out :-) - Jesse Stay

Tudor SMASH! - dario

Jesse: I haven't been able to make a friendfeed party for a while. We need a calendar! Heheh. - Robert Scoble

اینا هم حلقه دارن. رونوشت به مازیار و مهران اینا - Aly

Rock on, Kevin! - Josh Haley

Great PPs!!加油，Friendfeed！:))) - K.D.

That's why I love today's web : you can talk with the people that build the next web, and see those who build your current web. Congrats guys! - Zackatoustra

FriendFeed Team, I love you !!!! Thanks to you all, I'm very happy everyday!!! - Renchin(Reina)Wang

So that was the TGIFF ("Thank Goodness It's FriendFeed") party? Perhaps slightly off-topic, but if Camiila hasn't been betrothed yet, have I got a grandson for her ;-)) - ianf ⌘

TGIFF was excellent. Great event and great people.Thanks for the invite and hospitality. - AJ Kohn

Louis, thank you and thank you to the FriendFeed team for making a killer product and hosting a great open house! - Brian Solis

I think I spotted Hutch (http://friendfeed.com/bhc3) in an uncaptioned photo wearing a white "San Francisco Classic" shirt: http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Daniel J. Pritchett

Yes, Daniel. That is Hutch. - Louis Gray

Fun party, great food, great hospitality. - Anne Bouey

Anne - great finally meeting you yesterday. - Hutch Carpenter

great photo, good to see the whole team together! - Jeroen De Miranda

oooh i am totally wishing i was there! Robert is right, we need a calendar! :) - Susan Beebe

Hutch: Thanks. I enjoyed chatting with you, too. - Anne Bouey

what's with the guitar? lol - Stuart Evans

(bump) Ana and Casey are now married. Here's a pic of them on the left, between Ross and Jim. Congratulations to Ana and Casey! (per http://friendfeed.com/jessica...) - Louis Gray

علی حجوانی تو روحت، ای واسه چه موقعی‌ه؟ :))) - Mehran

:))))))))) مال بعد از عیده. اواخر فروردین فک کنم - Aly

:))) - Mehran

Ruhani Rabin

50 Clever, Creative Logos http://geektech.posterous.com/50-clev...

November 9 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Steve Rubel

I am really liking Brizzly - single interface for Twitter and Facebook. I would like to see it all in one stream plus support for Bitly API.

November 6 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Steve Rubel

"Three Reasons You Need to Be on FriendFeed *Now*" - http://bhc3.wordpress.com/2009...

May 28 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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Actually, I'm getting tired of Friendfeed. Most discussion is vapid, banal and inconsequential. IOW, a waste of time. - Dawn

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Me too Matthew. I use it that way to some degree. - Steve Rubel from email

Is there a way to get a friend feed onto a personal web site? - Peter Fletcher

Thanks for posting this Steve. And Dawn, are you deliberately ironic? Regardless, this post is for those who may not have the time to engage actively here, but will still benefit from being part of the service. - Hutch Carpenter

@Peter - try this: http://friendfeed.com/embed - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

Thanks Brian. - Peter Fletcher

Nice work but a lil late on this BNO - sofarsoShawn

Peter, you can also embed an individual thread on your site by copying the code from the "Share" link - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

Oh, Dawn, that's rich cause I blocked you for bringing vapid, banal, and inconsequential stuff to friendfeed a while back. All you have to do is look at all the items from the Google I/O conference to see just how wrong you are: http://is.gd/HaUQ - Robert Scoble

"Personal Content Database" is quite apt (especially if we could have our service icons back) - When working in twitter and waiting for twitter's page to refresh a new post, it is quicker to jump to FriendFeed, because the post is there instantly. - Chris Loft

@rahsheen thanks for the tip. - Peter Fletcher

BS, Robert. You blocked me because I'm not one of your sycophants but actually challenge your assumptions, motivations and actions. Like when I said you were neglecting your blog, you retaliated against me, but just two weeks later, Arrington said the same thing and you took that seriously. But I'm just a female, right Robert?...somebody you keep calling stupid, even though I'm sure my... more... - Dawn

Amen to that! - Calvin Ayre

Dawn, I think I love you. - cecily

Dawn: you don't even have a clue about why I blocked you. It's cause you were arguing religion and politics and had no clue who Ralph Reed was and then you followed it up with the lamest posts on global warming I've seen that it made me wonder why I was arguing with someone so clueless (and I forget there were a few other things you were arguing about). So much for that high grade point average. By the way, I don't remember Mike Arrington ever talking about that stuff. - Robert Scoble

BTW: I unblocked her for some reason, I still don't know why. Oh, yeah, my brother stuck up for her and so far I've seen just the lamest additions to the community, like this one here. If friendfeed's discussion is vapid, banal, and inconsequential IT IS OUR FAULT. So, Dawn, this one is on you. Good riddens, I say. - Robert Scoble

Ahh, community. - τorƍue

#4 Bacon - sofarsoShawn

Yeah, right, Robert. I'm so lame that Louis Gray announced both on his blog and on FF that I'm a great person to follow. And you're comment about Ralph Reed just once again shows your bigotry against Christians, lumping us all in one basket - that far right fundamentalist basket that you once belonged to and now despise. I never did belong to it. I'm Catholic, not "born again." I've had... more... - Dawn

Btw, two people have DM'd me that Scoble is best ignored. I can't do that. Being the target of repeated and consistent defamation by Robert Scoble isn't the same as Joe Blow FFer calling you an idiot. Robert's words carry a lot of weight in the tech world. I've asked Robert privately and politely to back off and as you can see, he's refused to do that. I not only have the right to defend myself, but I have a duty to my present and future investors and to my future employees. - Dawn

FriendFeed's usefullness to me would increase 100% if I could automatically filter out every post with "friendfeed" in the title. That way I could get rid of the constant yapping about how great it is, and actually use it usefully. - Ian Betteridge

Bump for the good times. - Mark Krynsky

This is a post from last may! The situation has totally changed since then - DC Crowley

"even though I'm sure my IQ is higher than yours. Were you valedictorian of your high school? Or graduate magna cum laude? Did you get a graduate degree with honors" wow that means even i don't qualify :( - ffcode

I agree, I think we should try to save Friendfeed. - Hunt from iPhone

Steve Rubel

How much do I love Friendfeed? This much - I made my desktop match the theme!

July 24 - Comment - Like - Share

Patrik Johansson, M F, 'Like' robot (frɐnc) and 35 other people liked this

wow. you really do love it. - Zee.

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Now don't move the browser window. - Louis Gray

Sweet, i was thinking of doing that, but i've got some really good space bg's already... - Chris Heath

I like the part where Scoble the Hulk pops up in the grey box in the corner about 200 times every day to say hello. Hi little green Scoble! Now, sit down, I'm trying to work here. - Sheree Motiska

Maybe it's time for a "you know you're addicted to FriendFeed when..." meme. ;) - Meryn Stol

Don't believe Steve. He's got other desktops with Posterous and GMail themes that he uses when he claims he's in love w/ them. ; ) - Rex Hammock

Funny, I just saved that same background image to my desktop. Just need to shrink it a bit from its 18,000x18,000 dimension :) - Jan Ole Peek

I love FriendFeed so much that I created my very first Greasemonkey script for it just now to improve the usability: "Sidebar Tweak" fixes the sidebar in place despite scrolling, which alone is worth its weight in gold. I use the Helvetica theme, and the rest of the changes are meant for it, to tighten up things to show more items, as well as highlight the user's own comments in light-blue: http://userscripts.org/scripts... Try it and let me know what you think. - Alex Schleber

I like that script, very useful! I changed position of the sidebar in my version to right:50px instead of left:900px so the sidebar does not cover the content area on smaller screen. Also the headers of the sidebar items was weird on the grassland theme i'm currently using. I fixed it by removing botton-margin on the .box-bar. - Jesper Lind

Oh yeah, a nice blue box on my comment, thanks for the script! - Jesper Lind

lovely :) #browsermeme - 'Like' robot (frɐnc)

Philipp Lenssen

Friendfeed 1995

July 24 - Comment - Like - Share

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That is great :) - Bret Taylor

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Love the URL too :). Except back then it would most definitely have been cwru.edu :) - Benjamin Golub

Philipp was actually one of our first beta testers... - Kevin Fox

b65152.student.cwru.edu if it were my computer. - Paul Buchheit

Hillarious! - Robert Scoble from iPhone

We nixed Gopher access at the last minute because we found our gopher servers couldn't handle the load. - Kevin Fox

Ha! I saved a copy of the Trojan Room Coffee Cam page, complete with captured picture (which I then had to view offline, as I could not configure the Lynx to display in parallel ;-)) - ianf ⌘

Thanks to non-caching of css files, archive.org's first record of FriendFeed isn't all that different: http://web.archive.org/web... - Kevin Fox

LOL - Dobromir Hadzhiev

gotta check the wayback machine now.. :)- - Peter Dawson

Someone needs to turn this into a Theme - Glen Mistletoe

NEEDS MOAR ANIMATED GIFS - Haggis (Sean Loyless)

I LOVE the Metacrawler part. Nice job. - Admiral Anika

Damn I forgot how much screen real estate browser toolbars used to eat up, especially with those huge buttons. - Ray Cromwell

I was using friendfeed when I was 10! ;) - Frankie Warren

I remember when they first implemented real-time feeds; boy, it sure wreaked havoc with my 1200 baud modem. - Glen Mistletoe

This should be a Theme for FF. - Matt Ruiz

Those were the days. I especially like the "powered by Metacrawler" link in the corner! - Chuck Adams

Simply Awesome! - Nicholas James

A more accurate URL would have been k2.cwru.edu/~ptb/index.html - Gabe

Needs moar BLINK tag. - Rick Cogley

Great - Charlie Anzman

My first website looked like this. But with less graphics :) - WorldofHiglet

the '1994' internet of Robert ;-) - Jeroen De Miranda

If we knew then, what we know now! - Donna Payne

Speaking of which, I always wondered at the default gray background choice of the first Netscape browser(s). It looked too sophisticated to have been accidental. In hindsight, however, someone there must've misunderstood basic usability, e.g. optimal contrast ratios? [And then a year later someone had that unbright idea of turning homepages black for a day's web protest against some... more... - ianf ⌘

ianf: The gray background was the default in Mosaic, so Netscape was just keeping the status quo. The black background protest was against the Communications Decency Act, which would have made lots of innocent speech illegal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Gabe

Heheh, so true. - Amir

Obviously fake. :) The menu bar entries are anti-aliased. - Andy Bakun

Ray Cromwell, with the pixels being so much bigger back then, I suspect that the continued need for button bars was the impetus behind increasing screen resolutions. - Andy Bakun

hahaha brilliant - Nicholas Kreidberg

If this was supposed to be March 5, 1995, that was before Sun announced Java, so the coffee pot needing Java joke wouldn't have made sense yet. - Gabe

Aren't you missing the point Gabe? Friendfeed did not exist in 1995 to begin with. - lelapin

Damn, just by me "viewing" the image that mentioned Java, I got a "Java Update Available" window. I'm not kidding, it popped up the second the image loaded... I hate Java. This is a great parody though, good work. - Joel Strellner

http://ff.im/5TaJQ :) - cyb

Robert Scoble

A look into mind mapping with MindManager - http://www.viddler.com/explore...

July 23 from scobleizer's videos - Comment - Like - Share

Graham Sergeant, roland legrand, Ian and 34 other people liked this

Okay who here actually wants to see a map of my mind? - MVB (Grinch of FF) from iPod

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I love MindManager. Great App! - CW™

Glad to see mindmapping getting some "ink" again. Great stuff. - Steve Rubel

This is something I've wanted to learn more about, so I'm glad to have this video intro. - Mark Traphagen

Looks cool. I've used FreeMind, which is free, for a couple years now, but I like how this app is integrated with the Web. Nice stuff. - Craig Villamor

In this video is Michael Deutch and he's on FriendFeed here: https://friendfeed.com/michael... - Robert Scoble

I've been using NovaMind, haven't gotten in the habit of using religiously but when I do, it does really help to put thoughts down. Is definitely a good place to think before Powerpoint as Michael outlined. - Lou Paglia

I started using Mind Manager to layout Google AdWords PPC campaigns where I work, but very quickly saw many other uses for it. - Mark Traphagen

Curio's also neat, it has mind mapping (not as in-depth as MindManager) but a ton of other stuff too - even project tracking! Great for organizing creative projects. Mac only. http://www.zengobi.com/product... - invariant - farewell FF

he mentioned that software lays on top of mindmanager for project management. can we get some examples of the complimentary software? - Scott Magdalein

I've used XMind but it has some limitations.. doesn't print well, for example...I'd like to see MindJet used in realtime presentations.. Have any links?? - Patty Seybold

Craig - MindManager is integrated with the web in several ways - embedded web browser, web services, RSS feeds, and more. For instance, you can drag and drop a google doc right onto your map and then edit the content inside MindManager while viewing your map. This lets you flush out your thinking and then reference it while writing. Very powerful combination. - Michael Deutch

Patty, we have some recorded webinars on the Mindjet website where MindManager is used instead of PowerPoint. Check out the Jamie Nast webinar for instance: http://www.mindjet.com/about... - Michael Deutch

Scott - Mindjet integrates with our own Gantt product (http://twurl.nl/q7epy7), Microsoft Project, or a variety of others. You can see some of the other project related partner solutions here: http://twurl.nl/ypvyii - Michael Deutch

I LOVE this and have the perfect project to map this weekend. I have a focus issue and maybe I ought to use this software that has been sitting there feeling rejected for like 2 years, I think. I've attempted to use it about 3 times and freaked out and closed it. OK, I'm going to the video for help, wish me luck. Oh, I wonder if MindMaps can be published online? - Sheree Motiska

Sheree: they can be, through a variety of methods. - Robert Scoble

I got super amped on MM 2 years ago, used it every day for projects, then I kind of stopped. I found I did not return to the work that often and it would drift out. This is not a criticism, I just brainstorm on 3x5 cards faster now and then move to UI apps or whatever. But MM is definitely the best app. Even though we are in a web 2.x world, this workflow works best in desktop apps then pushed to web for collaboration. Hope I can slowly return to mapping in it again. - Mark

The Mac version is decent. - l0ckergn0me

Robert: Will you be posting a video from your visit to Friendfeed that you did today? - Amir from iPod

Nope, I didn't do a video. I want to do one soon, though. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

The Mac version of MindManager doesn't allow saving to existing files on mounted samba shares. That was a show-stopper for me. - Fred Yankowski

I have been experimenting with MindMeister - can anyone compare this with MindManager? - roland legrand

Robert Scoble

I am thinking of dropping by FriendFeed unannounced. Lunch anyone?

July 24 from iPhone - Comment - Like - Share

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I think you just announced it :) - Justin Korn

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Justin: I have given them opportunity to evacuate the premises! :-) - Robert Scoble from iPhone

You can track me on Google Latitude. :-) - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Why? I like stalkers! :-) - Robert Scoble from iPhone

I'll take a pastrami sandwich on rye please - Jesse Stay

I'm Anonymous! - beersage

Robert: Do you prefer Latitude over Brightkite? - Jason Hansen

Yes - Robert Scoble from iPhone

How many people do you actually share your Google Lattitude with, Robert? Vs. just publish it to your website and let people anonymously stalk you that way? - Christopher A. Wichura

Jason: Latitude and Brightkite/Foursquare/etc are really very different products. Latitude (assuming you're not using an iCrippledPhone) will constantly transmit your position all the time, without you having to do anything. The other services only post location updates when people explicitly publish an update to their location. - Christopher A. Wichura

Christopher... I have an iPhone, so I don't get the automated location updates as an Android and others would get. Latitude vs. Brightkite on the iPhone isn't that different. - Jason Hansen

Steve Rubel

RT @spoppe: Dave Winer: "I'm actually reading a book now." Steve Rubel: "You mean with real pages?" Too funny.

July 24 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Funny how quickly new posits form after being around so many alternatives - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

Lol. If I carry an actual book with pages everywhere I go (pizza, beer, YMCA, etc) do people think I'm geeky? Oh, BTW, I also proudly rock my librarian glasses as I saunter about w/ my book under my arm. Then, I sit there and read it while I mutter around. I hope that ups my geek cred at least a little bit. - Sheree Motiska

Robert Scoble

Stalker alert: I am using Google Latitude again on my iPhone so you can see where I am. scobleizer@gmail.com is my account. Details:

July 23 from iPhone - Comment - Like - Share

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I should be on Sand Hill Road now. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

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Whatever... you're all the time on FriendFeed! :) - directeur

They just shipped an iPhone version. Works better than the Nokia version (it doesn't crash). - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Still showing last update 4 days ago for me.. - Simon Wicks

Stalker alert? Ears perking up and Scoble radar fired up and ready to go.Check - Sheree Motiska

sounds like a good program, to say the very least, the wonders of integrated GPS. - Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa from IM

Has updated you now :) - Simon Wicks

Thanx Scoble, just added you, here is mine: gtziralis at gmail.com - George Tziralis

Yeah you should be able to watch me drive home now. :-) - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Not so happy about the web app implementation, makes it really awkward - Ian D. Nock

I am never turning off my iPhone now :-) - Jesse Stay

Should have been a real app, not a webapp, but according to techcrunch it's apple's fault. - Tomy Thomson

Apple controls the maps application, not Google. So, with the launch of Palm, Safari gets web maps too. - Joel

Should be a great tool for hitchhikers... - Buzz Bruggeman

OT: What iPhone FriendFeed client do you use? BuddyFeed? Or anything better? - Ralf Rottmann

john.bellone.jr@gmail.com - Crappy that it is a Safari app though. - John Bellone

Something is better than nothing. - ashish from iPhone

slow doooooooown ;) - metalerik

Ralf: I use Safari on iPhone. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Metalerik: I was using my cruise control. The car in front of me decides how fast I go. It is the best new driving toy I have seen in years. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

can you add friends while driving? :) - Christian Burns

I refuse to answer that question Christian but I am at Peets now. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

It is illegal to be on your iPhone while driving in CA. Unless it's hands free. - Joe

Wait, but what about turns? This gives me an idea: have that keyboard where you type on the back of it integrated into your steering wheel! you might have a few stray strokes, but it would at least be funny. - Californian

We use this on a Nokia E71 without crashes. Can't you see my feet propped up watching the Right Coast waves? http://mundy.org/whereib - Ward Mundy

Ward it will crash when you get 200 friends! - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Robert, are you talking about this? ( http://www.youtube.com/watch... ) wow, awesome. - metalerik

Robert: No worry with 200 friends. I have trouble keeping 2 or 3. :-) - Ward Mundy

metalerik: yes. It is indeed awesome. - Robert Scoble

Mine arrives next week. Can't wait. - Ward Mundy

Robert Scoble

My Twitter follower growth has been slowing down http://twittercounter.com/Scoblei... . I'm seeing geek engagement on Twitter going down. How about you?

July 22 - Comment - Like - Share

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Plus they've been trying to remove bots and spammers, which has something to do with it, too. - Robert Scoble

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I think my followers are disappointed that I'm more of a Friendfeed person. ;) - Amir

But I've definitely been getting more engagement here on FriendFeed lately. But that's largely by design in my case. - Robert Scoble

Yeah. Probably Digg "effect". Geeks moving out. - karthick

Robert: Quite a few of my follower's are bots and spammers, too. - Amir

Well you keep sending us here, to lovely friendfeed land - Mark

Twitter seems to be over-run by spambots and phony profiles - Wayne Schulz

I added 40 quality followers yesterday on twitter with 1 good blog..maybe you are just up against your max addressable market Robert, law of big numbers.. - James Watters

That's because you don't use Twitter Scoble lol... - Colin

Colin: that's not true. I'm on Twitter all the time! - Robert Scoble

I think it's simple. The whole Idea of following back to be polite is losing popularity. Therefore the churn is slowing for many. - Dj Skunk Diesel

My Twitter follower growth is the same as ever: zero. - DGentry

Lol, nah, I have to come to FriendFeed to get your attention, so I don't reply to you on Twitter, and others probably do the same. - Colin

I'd rather ad 1 VP of biz dev, than 1k randoms - James Watters

I don't even know what my Twitter following is, I've never looked. It's not something I'm remotely interested in. - Gilbert Harding

I agree quality not quantity - Dj Skunk Diesel

added 10 execs yesterday...so much more interesting...eddie izzard has 600k followers and mostly does running picture updates - James Watters

Scoble uses Twitter. Just more in a Friendfeed capacity ;-) - Amir

noticing the same thing. techies are definitely losing interest due to spam and celebrity overload. - casey wright from BuddyFeed

Josh, yes it saves them from having to have any real content! - James Watters

Is Scoble showing his tech celebrity cards by talking raw #s :) - James Watters

James: that's why I say it's who you are following that is so much more important than who is following you. - Robert Scoble

I'm deleting fewer spam followers, so maybe Twitter is getting better at killing them sooner. - Howard Rheingold

Robert **** +1k! I love twitter for what I read! When I get more followers it just makes me nervous to talk :) - James Watters

James: nah. But my account growth has -- up to now -- closely tracked Twitter's growth itself. - Robert Scoble

See yourself for last months. Twitter got rid of thousands of spam bots a few days ago: http://twittercounter.com/Scoblei... - Boris

James, so the interesting thing is: is Twitter's growth slowing down? (I don't think so). So, the geek world on Twitter is mattering less and less as mainstream shows up. - Robert Scoble

I think twitter is clearing out bots and spammers. It's also officially mainstream. That furrows a lot of geek brow, they may have gone elsewhere. I have enjoyed watching the move to mainstream. - t i n y m from fftogo

Robert: I'd agree, and I think your point is interesting. Its like blogs, when the polticos took over the momentum from the geeks :( - James Watters

Although, look at Compete.com and you'll see Twitter's growth itself has slowed down: http://siteanalytics.compete.com/twitter... - Robert Scoble

Yes, been going on for awhile. The spammers are a real pain, so I'm thankful they are working on that. - courtney benson

Josh: I watch early adopter user behavior and I'm seeing less engagement on Twitter. The geeks are getting bored. - Robert Scoble

Josh: yes, Compete.com is inaccurate, but generally it matches trends well. - Robert Scoble

Josh: in my case about 44%. :-) - Robert Scoble

Twitter and FF are amazing if you want to listen... - James Watters

Maybe they are going back to blogging. Or are on vacation. - Robert Scoble

look at the trending topics today on twitter - unfort. mainstream entertainment. what a change from a year ago. yes the conversation is now wide - but seems just a shift of medium for fluff. not watching as closely as you are but happy with my monitored subjects of interest - still discovering BIG voices everyday. ff rocks the conversation though! - michael sean wright

I lost 8% of my followers and about the same number I was following in one day (day before today) on Twitter.. I can't believe all these were bots and I am now "cured" of bots.. - Anindya Chatterjee

Hi Josh, yes really. I get emails every day announcing new followers but I just delete them. I only follow people who are personally recommended to me and who I find interesting. I never look at my profile to see my stats. If people find my inane comments and occasional newsy bits and bobs entertaining, fine. But how many of them are there? No idea. - Gilbert Harding

Hey did anyone hear that Yahoo is getting a new homepage? I can't wait.... - James Watters

@Josh, just the point )-: - Anindya Chatterjee

My engagment is about the same on Twitter, seeing as that I still have friends that won't get/don't have/don't want a Friendfeed account. - John Fox

I think it's picking up here though. - Steve Rubel

James, the new page is up already.. right now in "trial" on Yahoo US page - Anindya Chatterjee

OMG its so cool! yahoo is so relevant! - James Watters

If I was better versed in the virtues of Friendfeed, I'd do an article about it. But I'm really not the person to "sell it". - John Fox

Josh: yes that whole thing was an inside joke to an earlier FF RS has about Yahoo's new home page..I'm just being silly...see ya'll around.. - James Watters

I'm converted this time - 1st time round, I didn't get it, but some friends still only Twitter - Nicholas Paul Gordon from iPhone

Josh, there seem to be a lot of obsessives on here and Twitter. - Gilbert Harding

Anyone here amazing at App engine btw? - James Watters

i did spring cleaning in my twitter account today as well. it's about quality not quantity, robert. the true geeks are staying with you - jeanette okwu

I had over 3000+ followers on Twitter and have recently decided to leave because of all the spam - I hope for Twitter's sake that they sort it out - outofmyarse

I think It's to Twitter's benefit if the stop the spammers. Not a bad service but with all the spam it makes it less enjoyable. - Amir

Am I wrong? When Twitter took away the option of following @replies, it made it a lot more difficult to find new people who extend out from your network. If you look at the traffic charts (Alexa, Scoble's, etc.), the slowdown started right about at that time. While Twitter execs say that only a fraction of people opted for that function, it really looks like a lot more than coincidence to me that follower growth declines started then. - Ed Moltzen

Robert: Maybe. But Twitter is a type of blog, It's a micro-blog. - Amir

I find new people by using Twubble - it basically replicates the effect of finding people by following @ replies. See http://www.crazybob.org/twubble - Trent Hamm

I have never re-followed people out of courtesy. I look at what they're saying if they follow me, but I don't follow if it doesn't look interesting. That's why I have about 7K Twitter followers and am following less than 500, I guess. - Trent Hamm

Definitely the engagement is dropping, I've noticed. But I think spam is a big contributor to the problem. - Amir

Come to think of it, I've never understood the philosophy of the courtesy re-follow. It seems dishonest to me - once you reach a certain point, you can't follow the thousands and thousands of conversations around you. Following someone else feels like a promise you can't keep. Why do this at all? - Trent Hamm

Trent: you can't DM me unless I follow you. Since I require having DMs with a wide variety of people for my business, I have to follow everyone who follows me. - Robert Scoble

I have noticed it too. It is sometimes hard to get around "brain fart" type of tweets that are on the surge...lowering the geek factor - Ghada

Could be FriendFeed, lol. - Hugh Isaacs II

Trent I think of it not as reciprocity but as a gesture. If someone is willing to put up with my mix of relevant and irrelevant information, I should be willing to do the same. Even with a few hundred folks to follow you already miss a large portion of their broadcasts. You can always search for relevant conversations in real time. - Mark Essel from iPhone

The beauty of the concept is that we can all choose who and how we wish to follow. And we can customize our methods on different networks - Mark Essel from iPhone

well that explains why I'm seeing less content. - clarke thomas

From my experience, TwitterCounter is a little slow when updating follower numbers. Just make sure it's accurate. - Amir

yeah. TwitterCounter takes a day or two to update. Not that I check very often... - Robert

True my twitter following slows down 2 - polou/indigo_bow

Mine also. And so many new followers are spambots, ugh! - Molly Gordon

@Scobleizer will have 155,650 followers in 1000 days according to TwitterCounter: http://bit.ly/19FHOw - Mark

@Scobleizer will have 661,900 followers in 10000 days according to TwitterCounter: http://twittercounter.com/Scoblei... - Mark

@aplusk will have 8,095,169 followers in 365 days according to TwitterCounter: http://twittercounter.com/aplusk... - Mark

Mark: that's cause aplusk is on the suggested follower list. He won't earn those followers, he's being gifted them by Twitter. - Robert Scoble

Robert in my opinion Twitter had 2-3 weeks that followers went down and much porn as well , in the last week or so the positive count is back - Johni Fisher

In Europe, we call these kinds of slowdowns "holidays". - Bernie Goldbach

+1 Bernie - Liviu Barbat

Yup - Thomas Power

Robert maybe you can help me.....http://www.alzheimersreadingroom.com/2009... - Bob DeMarco

Well, I'm personally happy to see geek engagement go down. That means more geek for me. Most of those nitwits don't even know what the hell is even going on and just RT guys like you to ride the wave of the Scoblenami. I always used to get scolded for @ing zaibatsu, 0boy, and the_gman when I was just a peasant w/ 300ish followers who hadn't tweeted a word in 6 months. The whole "get... more... - Sheree Motiska

Twitter just got rid of bot accounts your followers went down! Thats Twitter's epidemic problems! - polou/indigo_bow

Mine is soaring like an Eagle with my xaviarmedia friend.http://my-hiddencash.blogspot.com - ebenezer oyeodini

Robert Scoble

I've opened up my "secret" Twitter account: @notsecretscoble Why? Because who it is following is interesting, not who is following it.

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you don't need to open it up for us to see that... - Mike White

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Why not do that with your normal Twitter? I don't understand the philosophy of courtesy re-follows at all. - Trent Hamm

Trent: you can't DM me if I don't follow you. - Robert Scoble

Can you follow me on your other account? - Zachary TG

Zachary: no. I will only follow people I know and can tell a story about (that I've met face-to-face). - Robert Scoble

And even then I'm not going to follow everyone. I want to keep the numbers of people I'm following with that account way down. - Robert Scoble

@notsecretscoble's bio says "...but he's not going to be very picky...". I think thats a typo, should be "...but he's going to be very picky..." - DGentry

DGentry: yeah, what you said! :-) - Robert Scoble

I think that is interesting about any account and how I end up following a lot of the time. - David Gross

I thought you disliked DMs Robert. Have you changed your position on this? Curious. ps - remember that one time at Moscone when we all mounted cameras on our heads and walked around like crazy people? Those were the days :) - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

Courtesy refollows allows someone who follows you to DM you if they need to - Its just courtious - Nicholas Paul Gordon from iPhone

Robert: Yeah, you should keep the numbers low our else you will be getting a lot of the junky tweets. Keep it to a minimum so you can get all the good stuff. - Amir

I'm sure Robert will follow as many as he wants or doesn't want.. I do similar, but for me it is facebook where I have the few friends I know better. - David Gross

Why not just follow the people you want on FF? the twitter integration works very well, now, IMO - adam garrett

now Scoble its no longer a secret lol - polou/indigo_bow

Adam: because not everyone I want to follow is on FriendFeed. - Robert Scoble

Hey, aren't you that guy who follows the whole internet? =) - Jered Hofker

Glad @SecretScoble is following me, I made the "interesting" cut - Yay! - Susan Beebe

Jered - Scoble does NOT follow trolls, jerks or assholes, just to be clear ;P - Susan Beebe

@Susan did you meet him personally? That's what he keeps telling me as the reason that he doesn't follow me on his secret account - Jorge Escobar

Jorge: there are a few exceptions to that rule. - Robert Scoble

I get it. - Jorge Escobar

Scoble: So are you saying that tools like TweetDeck and Seesmic Desktop are not good enough filters? - Mike Bracco

Mike: right. Who you follow decides your inbound. If you follow 100,000 you still can't filter it down enough. There is value to following 100,000, though. Serendipity, for instance. - Robert Scoble

Scoble: Gotcha. I wrote a blog post a little while back calling for a group twitter framework to be developed (http://thenextweb.com/2009...) which could solve some of the filtering issues. - Mike Bracco

Mike: groups are going to be invaluable in the future for searching. - Robert Scoble

Groups is EVERYTHING for listening, engaging and building your network - Susan Beebe

There are lots of startups working on mass follow/unfollow frameworks and spam blocking. Filters, indeed. - Steve Lynch from twhirl

Yes - groups are really valuable to if easily created and then disposed of after they are needed. (IE a conference for example). Imagine if when you signed up for a conference your twitter handle was added to the conference group (which you could subscribe to and then unsubscribe after the conference was over). That would be cool. - Mike Bracco

Your own suggested users list. Cool. - Jason Nunnelley

Hey -- what Twitter grouping/filtering services do people find most interesting? - Steve Lynch from twhirl

Steve: none. I'm waiting for Twitter to do it. Jason: yeah, imagine that those 500 people were at a conference together. What a conference! - Robert Scoble

robert would you add notsecretscoble to your FF account so we don't have to create YAIF - Steve Gillmor

Steve: sure! - Robert Scoble

This is the real scoble graph. - Christian Burns from iPhone

Bah! like Groucho Marx said: "I'd never follow anyone who'd be willing to follow me". Or something like that. - BryanSchuetz

Christian: I don't think even this is the real Scoble graph. The real Scoble graph, the people whose judgements he trusts and is willing to depend upon, has to be even smaller than @notsecretscoble. The human brain just doesn't work that way, 500 people is an entire village not a circle of close friends. @notsecretscoble is a certainly a group of people to whom he feels a closer... more... - DGentry

So are you going to follow anyone you have met and hung out with? And is if I ask to be followed by you does that mean that I am disqualified :) - Christian Burns from iPhone

You should probably still grab @secretscoble given that it was linked from a few blogs and sites before someone else abuses it. - Tony Ruscoe

Christian: nope. But people I've met face-to-face definitely are in a different group than people I haven't met yet. - Robert Scoble

But just because I've met you doesn't mean I'll follow you on this Twitter account. - Robert Scoble

Robert: one twitter question please. Best twitter application for the Jesus Phone ? - Mark

Mark: Safari. - Robert Scoble

thank you my dear - Mark

So, if I ever get to buy Robert a beer, he'll follow me? It's good to know the rules, lol. (And I will buy you one Robert, if you're ever in my neighborhood.) - Kathy Fitch

Kathy: maybe. :-) - Robert Scoble

You should have named your secret account 'Scobert Roble.' - Tomy Thomson

I was Following Secretscoble, what ever happened to him? - paul mooney

I changed Secretscoble to notscretscoble - Robert Scoble

Oh, so it has to be something *better* than beer. Picky, picky. Still, I'd think about it. My husband is about the world's best party bartender. He knows how to put some wrist into the thing. A few of those, and I'd be in, fer shure . . .<grin> (Also, I'm a fabulously engaging and enlightening conversationalist, plus just self-effacing enough to be charming. Just ask me . . .) - Kathy Fitch

Thank you for this, more signal to the noise - Aaman (Clone of FF)

Wow, It would be nice to meet more people from here face to face, but so far I‘ve only met a dozen in person.. It would be nice to meet you in person some time as well. I followed your new account by mistake, so don't take it the wrong way if I unfollow you now. I didn't understand what you were doing with the account initially. It's a great idea for you though and I hope you enjoy it.. I'll have to check the comments and see if there's a feed I can follow here. - Michael Fidler

Michael: it's not important who follows you. It's important who you are following. You should only follow me if I'm providing value to you, no other reason. If you're following me because you think I'll be nice to you, or follow you back, or include you in some sort of list or group, you're following for the wrong reason. - Robert Scoble

On the other side, I will follow people for lots of different reasons and I have lots of different ways of following people. On some accounts I follow everyone. On others I have stupid, lame, reasons for following who I am following. The best account to follow me on, though, is my Likes Feed here on FriendFeed. http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... -- it shows ONLY OTHER PEOPLE that I like. - Robert Scoble

Robert, if I could "like" that last comment, I would. Wish folks would get that. - Karoli

Yeah, Karoli, too many people follow for stupid reasons and try to make it into a contest. It's interesting that following fewer people is actually far better than following more. But you have to pick the right people for that to be the case. - Robert Scoble

I agree with your last comment Robert but of course if there were folders in Twitter, I could follow people in a much more organized way like in FF. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Manielse: yeah, I agree. I just run two different Twitter accounts on two different computers. - Robert Scoble

I was just hoping to be able to do it from here. I follow a ton of people who don't follow back; because I find their feeds valuable. Honestly, I could care less who follows me back. I didn't see a feed here, so it will stay as is. - Michael Fidler

It's just a shame you need to do that. Live multiple lives in Twitter for a simple feature missing... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Michael: if you hang out here for even 20 seconds you'll know I spend most of my time here, so following me here is far better than following my Twitter accounts. Anyway, I see you're following me, and I'm following you, so no worries! - Robert Scoble

Exactly! - Michael Fidler

I'm happy you've done this, I've long thought your main Twitter account must be impossible to read because of how many people you've followed on it. - Colin

I find it so interesting that this now means you have a 'stance' on DMs or other SM phenomena. I see this as a human trying to navigate the insanity that technology is affording us. How can you NOT experiment. Scoble does it in front of us, but I feel as if everyone should be trying to make this stuff more useful and rewarding. - Derek Shanahan

Good point Derek, for example I use PowerTwitter in Firefox "Top Friends" feature to do the same thing without needing multiple accounts. We all tackle the "make stuff more useful" in different ways... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Great point. I've always found Scoble's dedication to FriendFeed a bit mysterious, although I also see him using it for more personal interaction than he could ever use the main twitter account for. A second twitter account, to me, isn't a statement of fact as to "How To Use Twitter"; it's a representation of the drive to figure out how these tools actually make all of our unique lives better. Plenty...PLENTY...of people only need one tool. Many of us are building our perfect buffets. - Derek Shanahan

I think it's only a matter of time before Twitter has to add server side support for 'groups' as a feature. - Alex Knight

@alex - I kind of thought the hacked twitter docs would reveal more in the way of group functionality, but it seems they have more pressing issues. - Derek Shanahan

I'm wary of notions like "the right people." That can become quite the echo chamber. It's very fun and edifying to discover a new voice with a unique angle. Of course, it's a matter of taste. One person's "right people" list is another person's poison. - Kathy Fitch

@kathy I agree...and I don't think Scoble finding a way to make a 'wanted list' makes it anyone's wanted list other than his own. - Derek Shanahan

Kathy: echo chambers can be quite good. Why? There's a reason you're listening to those people: they have something to say that's interesting to you. - Robert Scoble

Possibly, Derek. Of course, his sharing it makes it public, and gives it weight in the public domain. - Kathy Fitch

If you're only following people you've met face to face, Scoble, then I will have to arrange a beer the next time you are in the New York/New Jersey/Philadelphia area. Bring that brother of yours along, too. - Mike Nayyar

@kathy but that's only when you choose to decide that RS's list means more than your own! And I'll admit that I think at time RS thinks his list means more than anyone elses, but I also think he's mostly interested in making all this stuff useful. Making the best list isn't useful. Making a tool make more sense is useful. - Derek Shanahan

Robert, I don't agree, or at least not entirely. Anyone's "wanted" list is of course valuable to them personally, but when I say "echo chamber" I mean that the ultimate effect is often like the RT phenomenon writ even larger. It's the same weakness that the old "blog roll" notion brought into play. If I'm seeing the same darned roll everywhere, after awhile it gets to be a bit inbred, and that's not useful. Nothing fresh there. See what I mean? Echo, echo, echo. - Kathy Fitch

Derek: actually that's not true. I've discovered that some people are 100x times more able to get you tech news than others. Some are even 10,000x more able (like Mashable or GigaOm or TechCrunch). So, if you have a list of the right people who have proven expertise in a certain area that list itself will have huge value. At least to me. - Robert Scoble

I was just checking out your likes feed, and there’s a lot of great stuff there. It’s amazing how you’ve been able to find all that great content from this: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei.... Although I’m following many of the same people, I just noticed how much I’ve been missing here. Thanks for sharing it. I realize now that it’s time for me to start separating my feed into... more... - Michael Fidler

Derek--oh, please. As far as reach and weight go, his *does* mean more than mine, and way more. I don't feel at all bad about that, but it does seem inescapably so. Just a fact of life, and one he's worked hard on making a fact. That doesn't make my little collection of favorites less valuable to me, it just makes it something quite entirely different. - Kathy Fitch

michael, i bet robert uses lists more than anyone else - and for good reason too! i have a few lists, but spend most of my time in the home feed - Chris Heath

Kathy: after looking through 100,000 people I've learned there's a reason that certain people get paid attention to. Most are not providing value. - Robert Scoble

Michael, yeah, my likes feed at http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... is fun to compare to my inbound feed, which you posted. That's a good example of how few people provide what I'm looking for. I need to do the Kyte video over again because the UI has changed so much on FriendFeed. - Robert Scoble

Can't disagree with you there, Robert. There's a whole lotta fluff going on. Then again, there's a great deal of insight that goes untapped. I will always follow some of the a-list folks that I find truly valuable, but some part of me (big slice) will forever be in "go west" mode, too--looking for the new twist, the fresh insight, the uncharted territory, the bold disagreement with the in crowd. It's the academic in me, I suppose. - Kathy Fitch

Chris, I have varied interest, and I think I might benefit from creating a few of them. For example; I would like to have one for the people I like to check in on daily. It would be more organized then trying to remember them every day. Robert, it was a great video. I think It would help a lot of people out if you did it again. - Michael Fidler

@kathy I don't mean to underweight the value of the insight that someone like RS can afford us. @RS, you are right in pushing the idea that certain 'likes' matter than others...I've seen your position that further evolution of these mediums will place more value on the attention of the people who actually have authority or value in a space. I don't dispute that, and I guess I've... more... - Derek Shanahan

re: friendfeed lists - I have one for reading blogs, one for locals to me (carolinas counts), one for devs, one for my ego, one for the ff-team, one for ff centric groups (spam, feedback), one for funny pics and videos type groups, one for netcasts, one for 'back home' people, one for all the groups i've sub'd to, one for all the people subd to me, one for my twitter imports, and one... more... - Chris Heath

those are all lists btw, if that's not clear (i've edited to make sure it is) - Chris Heath

Chris you are incredibly organized! Wow! - Kathy Fitch

Thrill the world, make it a better place, for you and for me & the entire Twitterverse... - Majento

Kathy: that's why I still follow 100,000 too, just to make sure I'm seeing a broad range of people, not just the ones who did something cool yesterday. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Do you think the tool (Twitter) requires both tactics to be optimally useful? How does FriendFeed equate to your desire to follow the conversation in the way you want to follow it? - Derek Shanahan

Derek: yes. FriendFeed lets you choose a variety of models due to lists built in (and you can use lists to filter your searches!!!) - Robert Scoble

Yes, it's the constant push-me, pull-you thing. I want to reach, explore, fly high, discover new things, but not make things so dilute that they're worthless, or so vast that they're impossible to absorb in any meaningful way. - Kathy Fitch

And I think RS feels that FriendFeed gives you the ability to segregate your stream so that a vast reach is possible and dilution isn't necessary. I won't argue with that. - Derek Shanahan

Robert; I found, "20 things". It wasn't easy with the ambiguous title. If the update turns out as good as the original, (but hopefully it will be better), it should be posted on the sign up page for all new users to see. But, that's just my opinion:) - Michael Fidler

When did you meet Tom Hanks? What was he like? - Shari Weiss

Michael, I think I'm biased in favor of beginnings. In those moments, most of those we are keeping company with are still unknown quantities, drawn together only by a shared interest in beginnings. "Beta-fishers" is how I think of them, but not in the anxious, over-the-top, I-must-win-the-race twitterville way--just a genuine and shared love of exploration. I've met some of the people I love best that way, and have yet to meet most of them in person. Harder to do, now? Hmm. - Kathy Fitch

I met you face-to-face last Christmas, did you go back to that restaurant with the Travelling Geeks? - Joe Dawson

I thought there was an embargo on this ?? - Charlie Anzman

Scoble has a secret account, huh? You know you want to follow me. C'mon, you can't deny it, I'm geektastic too. You know you love crazy redheads who can't behave like civilized Tweeple. You're an outlier too. MMMMWAH! - Sheree Motiska

Robert Scoble

Aaarrrggghhh I hate .me URLs. Sorry @ivey http://twitpay.me and now I will slap myself with a wet noodle 50 times.

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How much do we have to TwitPay you to see this self-flagellation via wet noodle in video form? - Trent Hamm

Good to know you are also an adherent of Flying Spagheti Monsterism. RA - JEP

Scoble, you make me smile when I get so annoyed with the state of humanity that I can hardly see straight. There's nothing better than a guy who slaps himself with a wet noodle over a URL. You are a true original and I think I have a geek crush on you Scoble. I said it. I know, I'm about to be read the riot act probably. Oh well, it was worth it. I feel like a rebel. - Sheree Motiska

Robert Scoble

Here is why I have two Twitter accounts and what I'm learning:

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1. Because my main account needs to follow everyone who is following me for DM reasons. - Robert Scoble

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2. But that means I can't closely follow my friends and people I've met face-to-face. - Robert Scoble

3. Following 100,000 means you'll only randomly see Tweets, and you'll miss too much good stuff. - Robert Scoble

4. There's no way you can completely follow more than a few hundred people. So, if you've followed more than 1,000 you need two accounts. - Robert Scoble

5. I've been using this technique here on FriendFeed for more than a year and it really rocks (FriendFeed lets you split your friends up into lists, while Twitter forces you to get more than one account). - Robert Scoble

http://twitter.com/notsecr... is my second account. - Robert Scoble

or use TweetDeck, right? I haven't used it, but I understand it lets you group/prioritize the people you follow - Joshua Maurice

Scoble, this solution doesn't seem to scale. In another year does this mean you'll have a supersecret account that only follows select people from the secret account? - Ryan Jones

so one account for people you really want to follow and one for everyone that you follow back at both FF and Twitter? - bev

Guy Kawasaki does this right?: - Steve Rubel

Robert: makes sense...but what is the advantage of 2 accounts compared to Groups - Edwin Khodabakchian

I use TweetDeck to organize my close friends into a list. That way, it's really easy for me to just follow those who are close to me, but still get DMs from everyone. - Eric Pender

Is there a client aka Tweetdeck that allows you to pull in your Friendfeed friend's lists? - Stephen Kennedy

... or any other BETTER filtering service than Tweetdeck, like PeopleBrowsr. - Alan Veeck

Edwin: none, except that Twitter does not support groups and I'm not going to invest the time to build them in, say, TweetDeck when there's so much innovation going on in Twitter clients. - Robert Scoble

There are more than a few Twitter usability issues that I'd like to see changed in addition to the required multiple accounts, deleting of DM's being easier and organizing of people as well....Tweetdeck allows this but Twitter should have thought of this internally... - Walter Schwabe

This seems like a lot of effort to deal with the problem of courtesy refollows. Why not just follow those 500 people or so on your main Twitter account? If you don't care what people say publicly and they're just noise, why deal with the acres of spammers sending you DMs to shill for some crappy product? - Trent Hamm

bev: right, I think. Ryan: yeah, this probably doesn't scale. But for now it does. - Robert Scoble

My Twitter numbers are strikingly similar to my FF numbers - when it comes to followers / followees. I've never broken 1000 when it comes to people I follow and every so often I go through and prune my list to help tune the noise. I've given up on Twitter and really focus most of my effort on my FF friends. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

I see. the 2 account approach makes it portable across twitter client. smart - Edwin Khodabakchian

With Seesmic Desktop I created groups like "China, Hong Kong, France, Ogilvy, etc etc" and it works fine - Jean-François Amadei

Alan: for instance, if I had spent the time doing that on TweetDeck, now I'm using Seesmic Web. So I'd have to recreate the groups. - Robert Scoble

Robert: What is you 2nd FF account? - Amir

Tweetdeck became a necessity after 100 follows. I have groups and I rarely add to them- which means that me following you on twitter means virtually nothing as I rarely read the main feed. I can see this really corrupting your % followers to followed, which I do care about. Anyways, FF does make this a more feasible situation, to follow lots of people and still interact with them. Whereas with Twitter I'd have to resort to 2 accoutns. - anna sauce

Amir: I only have one, but I have several lists of friends. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Do you recommend that technique to everyone? - Amir

I jus noticed, you don't follow me on twitter for DMs. heart breaking, that must be why you never answer me on twitter :P - Özgür D. Cyric

Has anyone tried http://www.grouptweet.com/? I like its features, makes it easy to have private groups on twitter. - Nagesh C

I do the same, and it greatly improved my twitter experience. now i never miss what my close buds are saying. - sean percival

Looking through the list, I noticed you follow lots of people, but not a lot of feed type accounts. No newspapers, rss crossposts, etc... It's all people, maybe discuss why? - Jim Graham

Seesmic is a good little program, not as "weird feeling" as Tweetdeck. - Gus

will they add tags/filters on twitter? would be nice, but one thing which makes twitter great is its simplicity - diegovanegas

Amir: either that technique or join FriendFeed. :-) - Robert Scoble

I follow millions at a time with my one Twitter account. :-) - http://staynalive.com/article... - Jesse Stay

Jim: because I want to view my news through the filter of people I know. - Robert Scoble

Functionality and usability are key I'd say most of the 3rd party apps that are good give you that work for grouping Twitter properly, I prefer TweetDeck, but it is just a matter of comfort I had tried Seesmic and others, I guess I really liked the go anywhere connectivity of Tweetdeck when it went iPhone. - Patrick Boegel

To me the conflict between DM and tweets proves a weakness in the twitter concept, so why not pushing them to address that. You can set up a massive vote for something like this. - Jcm Manuel

Jcm: if Twitter listened to me they would get rid of the Suggested User List. I'd rather not beat my head against a brick wall. - Robert Scoble

So this new one is basically Scoble using Twitter the way everyone else does? - Jan Dawson

There must be a proper way to combine things. Twitter is all about limitations, but if they force people to have 2 accounts, there's clearly something that sux. - Jcm Manuel

Jan: most of the people I'm following have thousands of friends. This one is more picky. - Robert Scoble

I don't see how you keep up with them both. - Kevin Montgomery

Kevin you can keep up by using tweedteck or seesmic (allow for multiple accounts) - Jcm Manuel

Kevin: multiple screens. And I don't look at 100,000 people very often. The noise there is extraordinary. - Robert Scoble

With your 2nd twitter account, you pretty much can ignore the first one, but use second one to broadcast to a much bigger group. One for socializing, one for broadcasting? - Nagesh C

I know.....I use tweetdeck, but between email, myspace, facebook, twitter......it's ALOT of noise. I'm struggling to actually engage on twitter they way I would like. Robert, do you remember me from the Himmelman/Skin tour? - Kevin Montgomery

I bet that your DMs will diminish on the first account pretty soon, if not already - Nagesh C

That's a great idea, especially for someone like you. How can you even keep up with all of these comments on your posts? FF is definitely much more logical and organized than Twitter. I only use Twitter for those who don't have FF, and then I just have imaginary friends. I hardly ever go to Twitter (in any form). - Californian

Nagesh: the smart people DM me on FriendFeed already, yes. - Robert Scoble

I don't have the problem of thousands of people I follow, but I do know that before I follow someone, I look to the posting behavior. If he/she's posting just a few good messages per day I follow, it it's a spammer like Scoble I don't follow - unless he's called Scoble of course LOL. But my approach is to choose very carefully. - Jcm Manuel

By the way, the whole LINKING between services sux too. For instance, I follow Scoble on another twitter account. But when it linked to friendfeed, it logged in with my other account (I have 2 accounts there as well) - because in the browser you always log in with the account you last logged in (unless the session has expired). I didn't even notice that I didn't "friendfeed" with the account that sent me here. There's very little control over all these things - I make errors like this very often. - Jcm Manuel

Aren't most of the people you've met face to face on Friendfeed with feeds from Twitter/blogs/facebook/etc..? In terms of broadcasting, feed the main Twitter account and use FF to filter, as you mentioned. Seems simple enough, am I missing something? - Benjamin Taylor

Some 2 hours ago I was looking on the Seesmic site if they had some public planning of developments, but I couldn't find it. I would love to know what they plan - e.g. if they plan to add friendfeed to Seesmic desktop. And myspace feed of course. - Jcm Manuel

Loic says they were waiting for FriendFeed's new API to work on FriendFeed support. I'd expect that's coming soon now. - Robert Scoble

ok that's great anyway. I find it strange though that myspace is so often ignored - that's 250 million people as well. Seesmic, Flock... etc. they don't seem to care a lot. - Jcm Manuel

This is the exact reason why the number one new feature Twitter needs is user groups. With user groups you can manage the information and pay attention to what is important. I find it surprising and actually ridiculous that they haven't been able to implement this feature yet. Scoble is right about not investing time in Twitter clients to create user groups; the innovation in this field... more... - Angus Burton

I do the same thing. My second account I call the "PIMP" group, People I've Met Personally. Two accounts is better than Tweetdeck groups because I don't like to be stuck in tweetdeck. - Scott Jangro

for me, Twitter is biz, Friendfeed can serve as both personal and biz. Originally, my 1 twitter account was meant 2 be personal, but now its more than that, its 4 advocacy and social purpose. Therefore I find if I want anything personal, friendfeed and identi.ca would be better serve 4 me! - polou/indigo_bow

I've said it several times in several places, and again here just to hear myself ramble. Tweetdeck misses tweets very often. I've created columns/groups/whatever you wanna call it to follow family and friends. It misses their stuff more than it catches it. So, for me, and several other people I know, it's unreliable... and therefore unusable. I'm not too keen on using Peoplebrowsr or... more... - John

I have 3 twitter accounts and manage a friendfeed & twitter account for someone else, so that makes 4 twitters and 2 friendfeeds I have to keep my eyes on. - April Russo (app103)

@April u r one busy person! - polou/indigo_bow

I have opened a second twitter account to stream there most of my links I feel like to (re)share w/o comments, and reserve the "main" account for more "conversation-like" stuff. Not sure yet if it will work, I am still experimenting. I also realized that I can use that second account to filter my twitter feed when I am mobile (follow real people on one account and news sources on another, for example...) - Ashalynd

It'll be interesting times when Twitter does implement some kind of filtering function and you'll want to merge multiple accounts. - Vincent van Wylick

I usually find that interesting things I find on Twitter already has been filtered through to Friendfeed, so I have to say I care less and less about checking Twitter - Asgeir

Just suspending my experimental automated one. Apparently A LOT of people don't dig that :) The TOP SECRET address is ..... - Charlie Anzman

All of this just so you can get DMs on Twitter? Your email address (and your cell phone number) are right on your blog. Do you have so little faith in email? Or do you want to force people into 140 character messages, so you get less lengthy emails? By creating convoluted systems, you haven't solved anything. You're not addressing an obsessive need to be in touch with everyone through... more... - Joost Schuur

Philipp Lenssen

Did you spot E.T. in the Google logo?

July 21 - Comment - Like - Share

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(Warning: this is a joke. While I didn't photoshop this, I simply searched for any interesting pattern at all, which is pretty much available in any sufficiently complex picture!) - Philipp Lenssen

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I was looking for a black obelisk :) - John μller

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" - Arthur C. Clarke. "Any sufficiently long and granular ogling of fractals will produce infused picture of Energizer Bunny." - ianf ⌘ - ianf ⌘

You're too late, John. The Black Obelisk is no longer on the Moon, it's been in Deep Deniable Storage Facility, aka Area 51 in Nevada, since at least 1972. Ever wondered why NASA suddenly lost all interest in further manned space flights then? Now you know - mission accomplished! - ianf ⌘

ianf ⌘, that's what *they want you to believe*. ;-) - John μller

Well, they [whoever they are] succeeded! - ianf ⌘

ET is real! - Mike Reynolds

Philipp Lenssen

I once heard that talking to yourself is a sign of intelligence. (It wasn't me who I heard it saying though.)

July 16 - Comment - Like - Share

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My Friendfeed stream makes me smart, then :) - Jérôme Flipo

Or, as Jerome puts it, talking to yourself makes you smart (more than being a sign of being smart), because you have to make thoughts more clear than they are in your mind. (I'm not sold, though) - milivella

Matt Cutts

"If you haven't heard about Google Voice, you will. If you're not excited about it, you should be." http://www.computerworld.com/action...

June 29 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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I managed to lock myself out of my old Grandcentral account. I can't wait for this to open up already so I can enjoy the service again. - Brandon Mendelson

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I'm waiting :) - Roberto Scano

I'm not trying to be silly but - no -I have no interest in Google voice. Maybe I don't understand the product. - LPH™ and his dog P™ from BuddyFeed

i've been using GrandCentral for a couple of years now, and it has been great- when i was overseas i was getting phone calls through the Gizmo softphone on my computer and i never had to tell anyone a new number. - Nathan Eckenrode

LPH - i wasn't super excited at first. the whole SMS think is a bit wonky. But for phone calls incoming it's awesome with call screening and "spam" filtering. The best is the first time i opened up the webpage and dialed an overseas #, and routed it to my cell phone, then 10 min later walked in the front door and seamlessly transferred it to my home phone..... to continue the call there. WOW - Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)

I'd like to use Google Voice, but I don't want to give up the cell number I've had for 8 years. So I'm waiting until I can port my number to it. - Evan Parker from iPhone

Google Voice is AWESOME, I have been using it since the day it was launched as Voice, it is the best way to filter your calls - period, I use one number for business and personal and I can control who gets blocked, who goes to voicemail, I even rigged it so I could leave myself voice notes that are transcribed to my email! I want to get another Voice # but I heard you can only add phone numbers to one Google Voice #, you can't add them to multiples, is that true? - Kelly Johns

Have it, use it ... It rocks - Charlie Anzman

Louis Gray

Google’s OpenSocial Evangelist Leaves Google - http://gigaom.com/2009...

June 22 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

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Kevin says he wants to be in a small company phase and 'Working on a bunch of things “related to the social Web” and “activity streams". (Via TC as well) I read into that: FriendFeed. :) - Louis Gray

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But that's because you read *anything* and think "FriendFeed". What's for dinner? FriendFeed. What shall I watch on TV... FriendFeed... :) - Ian Betteridge

Ian: Yummy FriendFeed. What's for dessert? FriendFeed. - Louis Gray

Would sir like a side order of FriendFeed with that? :) - Ian Betteridge

But Kevin barely uses FriendFeed - Jesse Stay

and does this mean his position is now open? (with all due respect) - Jesse Stay

Jesse, I can speculate all I want without facts. But in his farewell post, he linked to FriendFeed, noting he is kevinmarks on "most" networks. - Louis Gray

Paul Buchheit

Yahoo Meme: Hands On With Yahoo's Twitter 'Clone' - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...

May 29 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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"A few weeks ago, we heard that Yahoo was readying a Portuguese-only Twitter clone under the name Yahoo Meme. Today, we finally got our invitation to try this new service, and while it is indeed an interesting micro-blogging service, we wouldn't go as far as calling it a "Twitter killer." Instead of cloning Twitter's communications features like @ replies and direct messages, Meme goes back to the basics of micro-blogging. Users can upload photos and post text (without a 140 character limit), YouTube videos (just copy and paste the URL), and links to MP3 files. Meme is currently in private beta testing and it is unclear when it will be publicly available. Core Feature: Repost Meme uses the same one-way follow system as Twitter, and items from users you follow will appear in your stream, mixed in with your own items. Interestingly, users can also comment on links and stories from users they do not follow, but Yahoo Meme puts an interesting twist on the commenting system, though. One of... more... - Paul Buchheit from Bookmarklet

Sounds almost like Tumblr. - Mark Trapp

Yahoo hijacking "meme" for this seemingly pointless copycat brand irritates me. Hope Mr Dawkins trademarked/cc:ed it already... - Oskar Lissheim-Boethius

Dave Winer

Spam-based viral applications, first made popular on Facebook’s platform, have come to Twitter. http://www.joestump.net/2009...

May 29 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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One more reason not to go there - much - - MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF

Why? Why, oh why? - Sheree Motiska

Louis Gray

The Real-Time Web - Blink And You Missed It - SiliconValleyWatcher - http://www.siliconvalleywatcher.com/mt...

May 29 from delicious - Comment - Like - Share

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Guy Kawasaki

8 women and 8 men bloggers invited to fly to and from USS Nimitz. 2 men wimp out. 0 women wimp out. Women bloggers rock!

May 26 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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That would be so awesome! - Jesse Stay

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who's staying ashore? - Dan Rua

Dan: Arrington and Woz. - Robert Scoble

Woz is a blogger? - Timo Heuer

Why would they wimp out?? I'd so be there! - Kreg Steppe

thx Robert, I can guess why...have fun out there! - Dan Rua

Keith Pelczarski

Habitat for Humanity, Menlo Park team up - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin...

May 29 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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"Beginning Friday, about 50 volunteers will descend on a modest foreclosed home in Menlo Park to begin rehabilitating it for occupancy by a low-income family." - Keith Pelczarski from Bookmarklet

This is awesome!! - Rachel Lea Fox

I had no idea there were going to be that many folks there tomorrow. I guess I'd better get some sleep. ;-) - Keith Pelczarski

Ben Parr

So I met @scobleizer not too long ago. I promised him that I'd say a mean thing on Twitter & FriendFeed. So I will: he's a poo poo head!

May 26 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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snap - mike "glemak" dunn

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LOL! - Fa La La La Lindsay

I'm sure that Alex referred to Robert as a poo poo head back in the day... - John E. Bredehoft

one bump. - Ben Parr

agreed ben, surprised robert hasn't chimed in yet - mike "glemak" dunn

Yeah, what's up with his ego search not catching this one? - Alex Scoble

true especially since i'm sure he has one to monitor what you're up to alex ;) - mike "glemak" dunn

@alex: I think I hurt his feelings too much. Mayb I should have just called him a pee pee head? - Ben Parr

ROFL, my brother has pretty thick skin and would know that what you said is in jest...I'm guessing that he's just been too busy to reply. - Alex Scoble

Alex: Or maybe his ego feed is broke :o - Nicholas James

wow.. poo poo head... u really pulled out the big guns for that one! - Jason Pollock

This is the best flame since ... well ... since Alex was about five. :-) - Robert Scoble

ROFL - Alex Scoble

couldn't we have at least used the caps lock and really emphasized POO POO HEAD! Think Scobilzer is going to try and get back @ u? - Kevin Murray

@Kevin: Would you like me to use a megaphone next time? Hey, it got the job done! ;-) - Ben Parr

@Ben I think you are right. Mission accomplished. Look at all the people who are unfollowing and unsubscribing as we type. He's ruined! Now THIS is the real time web. - Kevin Murray

Robert Scoble

Wow, is Google going real time already? The conversation I just started is already in Google: http://www.google.com/search...

May 25 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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I heard people comment on all the Twitter & FriendFeed real-timeness, pointing out that Google is fast too. But maybe they are just crawling FF and Twitter to look real-time? - Ruud van Wijngaarden

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Ruud: friendfeed items get ranked higher in Google. I've seen that happen a LOT. - Robert Scoble

I noticed the same thing on Mahalo Answers. In less then half an hour the question shows up in Googles search results. Google is just crawling really fast. - arjo

Google was really slow earlier today with the Jay Bennett/Wilco news. Couldn't find anything on Google, it was all over Twitter for hours before it showed in Google. - Karoli

Maybe the FF structure or API (and from Mahalo and the likes) makes it extremely easy to index for Google, so Google is actually preying on the smart systems of others to be sort-of-real-time? - Ruud van Wijngaarden

They've gotta do something :) - Mike van der Eerden

Well, THIS conversation isn't in Google...yet... - John E. Bredehoft

Actually this conversation is on Google already. If you search for "Wow, is Google going real time already?" it's there. - Charbax

Since Friendfeed provides a real-time API, why wouldn't Google basically store a searchable copy of all of Friendfeed on their index? - Charbax

Charbax: not to mention that friendfeed is more SEO friendly. The URLs here have keywords in them. I'd expect that from a team of Google superstars. - Robert Scoble

Do you really think Google's entire search engine can transform into real-time...I think it would take at least 3 years, if at all. Friendfeed engine is very friendly but substantially smaller, with only minor queries compared to the big ones. Google might improve its integration system but the path to a frienfeed real-time module looks much longer than expected. - Nir Ben Yona

I think the structure of Google, and all old skool search engines (searchword to your mother!), are not compatible with real time data gathering. Their bots would probably slow down the whole web if they were everywhere all the time. The nothing will be real-time anymore... - Ruud van Wijngaarden

A screen shot of Google - http://ff.im/3dYwy - Brent - Loving Life

Rather than thinking "the burden is on Google to spider the web in real-time" think "clever sites with active communities can help Google give the appearance of real-time web search." I don't think people blog in real-time, but they do in the aggregate, and some sites do better than others in helping out the "spiders." - Richard ¿digame? Walker

Strangely, Robert's search link doesnt have a single entry from Twitter...atleast in first 3 pages i checked. - Roshan Ramachandran

Roshan, look at first link in the screen shot I captured right above - It shows a twitter reference ... Its a direct link to his twitter page ... - Brent - Loving Life

It makes sense since this item originated over on Twitter. - Robert Scoble

The other one is mostly showing friendfeed, because that conversation started on friendfeed. Interesting how Google works. - Robert Scoble

I just posted a shot with the omitted searches brought back in - very interesting ... http://ff.im/3dZRz - Brent - Loving Life

http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/activit... - this is getting a little weird. Here there is a link to yoiur twitter page which is alright, but then all the friend feed chat is below your Link ... WTF? and it is in real time ... Ok apparently this guy is taking a major chunk of FF Feed and posting it on his blog in real time. I'm not sure, but it sure seems like plagerisim to me ... - Brent - Loving Life

I agree with Ruud, Google indexing social media sites (as well as links) is an effective way to appear real-time, as they are already where most of the action happens anyway. Some sites are always more likely to contain current content while others are a waste of resources to crawl more than once a month. - Alistair (alpinefolk)

Try anything - A blog, Flickr, Google is on it - Brent - Loving Life

I imagine google could also identify frequently updated sites by making notes about how often each site is updated, each time the bot passes through. Then send the bots to rapidly index sites with a high real-time score. It could be a self-adjusting process that would ensure no resources are wasted rapidly scanning static sites. - Raj Advani

exactly Raj, it's a constantly self-adjusting algorithm that can distinguish sites that are "static" or "dynamic" or "should be dynamic but aren't at the moment" (i.e. tube blockage) - and also perhaps predict spikes and schedule the site's time slot for the best spidering payoff. - Richard ¿digame? Walker

Adding the Greasemonkey script "Twitter Search Results on Google" combined w/ an advanced Google search makes good comparison - Mike Elliott

I think this is funny/cool - I don't normally see my stuff show up for a while but to have it show up as quick as it did is interesting. That was a fun conversation last night - I love Web 2.0 - Robert Freeze

Yeah! It seems like they've tweaked their servers to hunt after these realtime mirco-blogging sites.. Even, Tweets are showing up early like never before. :) - Mohammad Abdurraafay

Hey Robert, yes it seems so. Great progress - Gianluigi Cuccureddu

It hasn't come up in the discussion yet, so I'll mention ... is it possible that many of you are getting unrepresentative results, if you have recently visited a site, and you then Use Google to search for keywords or phrases. Google may be returning results to YOU, individually, more quickly, by using your recent browser history to return customized Search Results based on sites recently visited. - Gary Etie

... Also ... I get Google Alerts, via Gmail, 10 minutes after posting to my blog, if the post contains Google Alert search terms that I monitor. Getting a Google Alert, 10 minutes after a self-hosted, WordPress Blog Post brings other factors into the "real time search" discussion, like the affect of "Notifications" that go out to Google, MSN, Yahoo, etc., via WordPress Plug-Ins, as soon... more... - Gary Etie

Gary: Google treats everything as equal. It's highly unlikely that they are customising search results well not yet anyway - this will affect their algorithims. I think Google are just weighting the content on FriendFeed / Twitter more important by indexing the /everyone feed every five minutes or so instead of daily etc (which can be set by a webmaster via webmaster tools and a sitemap.xml ;)) - Nicholas James

Really? Google doesn't customize Search Results to the individual user, based on browsing history? - Gary Etie

Search Wiki is be customized (although the user is editting the results themselves) other then that users are treated the same. - Nicholas James

Its not just searchwiki that's customized and adding &pws=0 does not come close to removing all customization. - Ryan Underdown from fftogo

I posted an entry on my blog ( http://austincitypermits.com/blog... ) with the words "Current Google Gap in Real Time Search" in the title. Time stamp - May 26, 2009 @ 21:40. I'm going to Search Google periodically, to see how quickly it gets indexed, and post the timestamp of the Google Alert I receive. - Gary Etie

Can you tell me why "real-time" search is good? - Jason Nunnelley

I believe it's good for everyone in case you happen to be looking for the information. It's good for Google because if they can't do real time then the twitter search and everyone elses search that does will dominate more and more. - James Stratford

Googles plan of Real Time Search at the moment is linking to the conversation...we'll see this shift eventually. - Nicholas James

Jason read: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive... - Nicholas James

Time stamp - blog post - May 26, 2009 @ 21:40 .... Time stamp - Google Alert - "austin city permits" - Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:52 PM - That took 12 minutes. - Gary Etie

A normal Google Search already has the post at #1 position, due to exact wording. It took me 30 minutes to get back and do a search, and it was already up at 22:10 PM CST ... http://www.google.com/search... - Gary Etie

Robert - I've done a few blog posts on this. I call it 'hyper-indexing' ... and they've been doing it on select blogs for over a year (A lot of blogs ....) - Charlie Anzman

Charlie - That's precisely what I'm attempting to point out. My blog is not select, by any means, and I get a Google Alert within 10 - 12 minutes after a post, and the post shows up in Google Search results within 30 minutes. - Gary Etie

equal is not good ,but snap internet in 1s is cool - qian

Yes I have noticed this too in the last few days - Nova Spivack

so that explains why I got so many vanity google alerts today. - Peggy Dolane

Robert Scoble

Britt of Twitter on "track" - http://www.flickr.com/photos...

May 26 from Flickr - Comment - Like - Share

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Video snippet just for Steve Gillmor. - Robert Scoble

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can't get past "loading". try Youtube robert - Steve Gillmor

Drat. Uploading this 90 second clip of Britt who runs Twitter's UX team sucks. I think I could take a hard drive to Steve faster. ;-) - Robert Scoble

not that I don't know what he says (or doesn't) - Steve Gillmor

Heh. They are crying inside. - Robert Scoble

Steve Gillmor, try it again. I just checked and the video loaded great for me on the first try in high quality. - Louis Gray

I'd like to see them cry on the outside.... - Cliff Gerrish

the tears of a clown... - Aron Michalski

of course, the problem with 'saved searches' is that at any given time, search can be as much as an hour behind. - Karoli

Crocodile tears?? :) - Bill Heslin

Louis Gray

New Blog Post: Qajack Presents Fun Videocentric Social Q&A Service http://www.louisgray.com/live... @qajack

May 26 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Neat - trying - Christopher Galtenberg

I really don't like taking video of myself. And I'm not in a place where I could anyway. Looks like a deal-breaker? - Christopher Galtenberg

It is videocentric for both questions and answers. That could limit it, but it adds to the fun. Check out the questions and answers on my ID: http://qajack.com/qajacke... - Louis Gray

Robert Scoble

I've started hating cross posting. I'm now reading Twitter, friendfeed, Facebook and keep seeing the same content in all three. Discuss:

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I'm starting to think it's a very lame practice. Although I still post some things from friendfeed to Twitter, like this one. - Robert Scoble

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RT @scobleizer is tired of cross posting. Let's talk about this over on Facebook. Someone set up a Twine too. - Internet's Tad

maybe you should use Yahoo! Pipes to filter duplicates, @scobleizer? - Prolific Programmer from IM

But that's because Twitter is lame for discussions. Facebook and friendfeed are better to have conversations. - Robert Scoble

Prolific: doing that in the context of Seesmic Desktop, Nambu, or TweetDeck isn't doable. - Robert Scoble

cross-posting isn't nearly as bad as retweeting. at least cross-posting is in different systems. - Andy Bakun

I cc to twitter but I have stopped auto posting to facebook...starts feeling spammy on FB - Gary Gannon

Andy: hmm, I sort of like RT'ing. I find a lot of cool stuff that way. - Robert Scoble

I have to agree... this is a big problem with the different solutions and different mechanisms for sharing the information you post. There needs to be a tool that « aggregates» them into one unique post and just lists the places it has appeared... - Thomas V. Fischer

Gary: I have stopped auto posting into Facebook as well (I only turned it on for a day or two and got a lot of complaints). - Robert Scoble

I feel the same way some times but I'm sure nothing on your level - most of my friends are clueless to this sort of thing. - Robert Freeze

I do have a system to filter my Facebook notifications and email the result to my mobile device, @scobleizer; works brilliantly - Prolific Programmer from IM

At what point does it become cross posting? Wordpress+Twitter? Wordpress+Twitter+FriendFeed? Wordpress+Twitter+FriendFeed+Facebook? - Ken Sheppardson

It's difficult because if you're like me when you feel the urge to share you want to reach the most people possible. To do that for me means cross posting. The problem is, while you certainly reach more people you're definitely hitting some people multiple times. I think most people accept that this happens and simply ignore the extra times. Kind of go with the first time they saw it. I do think it used to annoy me more. Now I simply edit it in my brain. - Sheryl

The neat thing about Facebook is because I haven't posted much there I haven't gotten people to unsubscribe the way that I have over in Twitter (many of the A listers have dropped me because I posted too often there -- I think that's also behind why I didn't get added to Twitter's recommended follower list, other than I talk about friendfeed so often there). - Robert Scoble

I'm going to have to say that I prefer you to add something less perfunctory than "Discuss:" If you're posting from here to Twitter you could add a "Let's discuss this" quite easily. As to the question cross-posting has it's merits because there is only a partial (in my case small) overlap between the different sets of people. - WorldofHiglet

Sheryl: it's interesting, though. I do want to have a system that says "show me this person only on Twitter." Actually this is sort of what I'm doing with Seesmic Desktop: I'm building lists that suck certain people into the list so I can follow certain people well without seeing their duplication. - Robert Scoble

I love that every time I share an item on my google reader, it is posted to my friend feed and my facebook.. Why I love this is because I have completely different circles on FB and FF. - Sabika

WorldofHIglet: I tried to add "please" but I did not have enough characters. Twitter forces me to stick with 140 characters or less. - Robert Scoble

Except you posted this to Twitter from FriendFeed! But yes, it can be annoying. We want to get content out there,yet not be spammy. So how do we do it. - Bob Morris (polizeros)

Sabika: Google Reader I can understand going to both of these places. Twitter less so. - Robert Scoble

could the folks a friend feed or seemic think of a way to integrate or merge the cross posts...perhaps sinc them somehow. - Robert Freeze

Bob: I think that TweetDeck and Seesmic Desktop are how we solve it. I'm "white listing" people into lists now to escape the duplication. - Robert Scoble

First, how many people get ALL of your feeds? Item duplication is only a problem for those who are subscribed to multiple feeds from a person. Of the three services you mention, I isolate Facebook from most (not all) of my FriendFeed/Twitter content, and FriendFeed's block of the ff.im URL serves to reduce double posts of some items. - John E. Bredehoft

You aren't on Twitter's recommended follow because you post FF links like a madman lol :/ Nah I dunno if you always have. - Colin

Posting from here to FF truncates the message - the discussion will be here anyway so you haven't lost anything. But anyway, that's just me and my manners talking. - WorldofHiglet

Another problem. Bots like TwitterFeed can result in double postings. (Hi Chris Pirillo on FaceBook.) - Bob Morris (polizeros)

I completely agree but there are people who do not use all services, to send them content we use multiple sources. Not everyone is like us, using all the services. - Veetrag

Colin: I think that's true, but it demonstrated that those recommended follower lists can be used as punishment. Oh, and does it help Twitter's content? Techcrunch has gotten very boring ever since it was added to that list. Yeah, I know Arrington now has his own Tweet account, separate of TechCrunch, but think about why that is. He doesn't want to have his business punished for saying something that Twitter doesn't like. - Robert Scoble

Retweeting may be a cool way to find stuff, but when everyone is retweeting, it's just pollution. FF's "like" functionality is much better. - Andy Bakun

Veetrag: that's why the Seesmic Desktop/Tweetdeck approach is probably going to be the only way to solve it. - Robert Scoble

Andy: people get tired of me saying Friendfeed is better, but it is, so I agree with you. :-) - Robert Scoble

It's funny, because I haven't been on Facebook until Tweetdeck and Seesmic Desktop added Facebook functionality so I didn't see just how many people are duplicating their content between all services. - Robert Scoble

FriendFeed is kind of ugly and painful to read, honestly for the kind of thread this is. Cross-posting (repeating in several arenas) is ok, but I dislike when people Tweet a link to a FriendFeed which has a link to some blog post somewhere -- it's like people are starved for us to hit every landing pad they have for a single item. That's painful and annoying. - Gib

Ryo: I agree. Lockergnome has gotten very noisy. - Robert Scoble

Does it seem like cross-post duplication litter is like the analog of FW: FW: FW: of the aged world of email? I've stayed away from cross-posting for the most part. But I just decided to focus on the network plugged directly into FF, so my use case is different than a good many. - Micah Wittman

Gib: use a browser that lets you increase font size. Also, click on the time stamp to open up this dicussion into its own window. - Robert Scoble

Gib. once it gets long it makes commenting hard to do and still keep up - Robert Freeze

The Lockergnome coupon posts are tooo much to handle - Gary Gannon

The recommended follow list is a mess, wrong in 1000 ways, the good thing is normal people don't worry about it, because they'll never make it. - Colin

Robert Freeze: open friendfeed up into its own Window and then commenting and keeping up is a lot easier on a hot conversation like this one. - Robert Scoble

There is nothing more noisy than FB IMO. If I get asked to take one more quiz..... - David

David: I don't see quizzes in Facebook's status stream. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Yes, I'm using Safari and blow up the font size. Doesn't make it less ugly -- just bigger! :-) - Gib

cool thanks Robert - i'll open a new window - Robert Freeze

My little Macbook can barely handle Seesmic Desktop for some reason, it freezes in the middle of typing a tweet one or two times. - Colin

Robert, I think you've finally reached the point where too many people follow you: just one entry like this produces as much traffic as all the people I used to follow on Twitter. ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Own window? Use an SSB like Fluid http://fluidapp.com/ - Liviu Barbat

Ken: heheh. Wait until the real celebrities figure this out. Imagine Eminem doing a live chat with his fans. - Robert Scoble

Robert: how do you turn that stuff off? - David

David: turn what stuff off? - Robert Scoble

This is the midnight hour thread that Scoble starts, I love it. Nothing more interesting in the world is going on at this time! - Colin

Eminem's FF page would be filled with "fsck the free world" and such - Prolific Programmer from IM

Ken: what's even cooler is I'm following every single person on this thread. - Robert Scoble

your the man Robert... this thread proves that friend feed is way better than twitter. - Robert Freeze

Prolific: yeah, but you think my items move fast? Wait until Eminem gets here. Then you'll see tens of thousands of people join in one item. - Robert Scoble

Robert: sssshhhh, keep it quiet for a while longer. Let's enjoy this short period in time before the masses arrive. - Robert Scoble

i doubt he can type fast enough - Robert Freeze

Or read/think fast enough. - Colin

I guess I'm asking how I decrease the noise on FB. A little off topic but.... - David

Robert: he doesn't need to type. You can do live video here, too, and watch the text chat. - Robert Scoble

Robert: FYI, You can do the list thing on tweetdeck too. I have lists on both seesmic and tweetdeck. :) It does help, but honestly you miss some. I know because my lists are MUCH smaller than yours and I still miss and wind up with multiple posting. I really think at some point the size of the stream is just simply too large to do it all right. I worry about ticking off several hundred.... more... - Sheryl

he'll just invent other aliases to do his typing for him :) - Prolific Programmer from IM

is FF planning on letting us share friend lists? - Gary Gannon

David: hmm, I am using Seesmic Desktop with Facebook and I don't have much noise there (in the status updates). Of course I was very lucky. I filled up my 5,000 friends with pretty quiet people. - Robert Scoble

5000 friends...is there a limit? - Robert Freeze

Sheryl: yeah, and what's worse about lists is they don't move from computer to computer. - Robert Scoble

Robert: yes. Facebook can only have 5,000 friends. - Robert Scoble

on Facebook? yes, that's the limit, @robfreeze - Prolific Programmer from IM

Robert: I have 5,400 people waiting to be my friend over there. That's why I ignored Facebook for the past year and took to friendfeed (no limits here). - Robert Scoble

By the way, the conversations are BY FAR better here than on Twitter or Facebook. - Robert Scoble

I guess I don't have enough friends on facebook to worry. - Robert Freeze

My real life friends all noticed the day I installed the Twitter application -- they all started saying, "Wow you're on FB a lot!" because all the texts to Twitter went into FaceBook. Now I have friends who have joined Twitter because everyone else is and I have to say I enjoy seeing their Tweets less because I see it all on FaceBook and vice-versa. - Gib

Robert: Ah! But private messaging on FB rocks! :) - Sheryl

Sheryl: it rocks more here in friendfeed. - Robert Scoble

If everyone used the same service this wouldn't be an issue. Will things ever settle or are we bound to a constantly evaluating new services? - Ryan Stanley

Yes, Ryan. Another day, another service. - Gib

I don't have many friends on FB either but the ones I do have are always taking quizzes and playing games and I see that in my feed. I like FF much better. - David

Gib, the Cleaner FriendFeed userstyle is an option. See my latest comment on it http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - if you're familiar with CSS you can make you're own adjustments. It will work on Safari with GreaseKit installed http://8-p.info/greasekit/ - just shout out if you need tips setting it up. - Micah Wittman

settling is not any fun - it's the innovation that gets me excited. - Robert Freeze

Ryan: I seriously doubt everyone will switch to using one service. If anything something like Tweetdeck, Peoplebrowsr, or Seesmic Desktop will make it all look like one service to their users. - Robert Scoble

That's what I'm waiting for. One app that does it all! - David

The app's dev team would have to constantly studying everyone tom dick and harry's latest API changelog. And that doesn't even address all the third party modules for the app. - Ryan Stanley

David: the problem is that all three services are innovating too, and I doubt that all those innovations will be shared immediately by services like Tweetdeck, Peoplebrowsr, or Seesmic Desktop. Heck, how many of those support friendfeed so far? - Robert Scoble

FriendFeed to Facebook status-update is definitely lame. FriendFeed to FriendFeed-application post on Facebook seems fine to me. You can hide someone's FriendFeed-application posts on Facebook if you don't want to see them, but the only way to hide status updates is to hide that person altogether. - Edward Coffey

Eventbox pulls a lot of goodies in. I just don't dig it too much for some reason. - Gib

At some point all integral tech settles, and then becomes eligible for mass adoption. - Ryan Stanley

Robert: I have never had a private message on FriendFeed other than Ken! :) - Sheryl

I agree cross-posting is lame. But Robert, I've seen your intake rig: you're hard-core. You are all the places that my fragmented audience would be. It's no wonder you see stuff so many times. - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

Man I like Friend Feed. - Robert Freeze

Robert: Twhirl supports FF. Why not Seesmic desktop? - David

Sheryl: I'll send you one. Heheh. - Robert Scoble

FF FTW! - Ryan Stanley

David: Loic promised friendfeed support in a future version of Seesmic Desktop. It's the poor child of the three because it has the fewest users, so it's easily ignored by these app developers. - Robert Scoble

I see - David

I tried starting a FriendFeed iphone app twice last week, but ended up working on Twitter ones again instead. - Colin

Sheryl: DM's rock here because we can go back and forth "live" just like we are here. On Facebook? Um No. On Twitter? Um No. - Robert Scoble

The constant evaluation of different services is kind of frustrating. I keep thinking I'll find a good use for twitter and I sort of get close and then it fails for me again. Friendfeed just seems to be better in so many ways. And Facebook seems great for very personal connections but, casual internet conversations, Friendfeed really seems like the answer. - Steve McLelland

It's only this way because people have not realized it's potential...I use to think Friend Feed was a twitter want-a-be... boy was I wrong - Robert Freeze

Colin: you should do a friendfeed one that adds some cool feature like location. Kick Twinkle's ass. - Robert Scoble

I'm not a fan of cross posting. I define what I am to use each service for and try to keep the content unique to each one, Tumblr for iPhone pics, FB for friends and Family stuff, Twitter for my geek stuff, BK for pics of location, etc etc etc... - Andrew Acomb

Twinkle? Is that for FriendFeed? - Colin

Robert: and you haven't even discovered friendfeed's search, or its groups. - Robert Scoble

Colin: no, that's an iPhone app for Twitter that also tracks location. - Robert Scoble

Never heard of it, I downloaded "MotherFeed", and tried, "BuddyFeed" - Colin

What about the new WebOS for Palm. Will there be a FF app for that??? - David

kind of funny that the poor child with the fewest users has the most robust convos - Gary Gannon

In your opinion Robert, what is lacking most on the iphone for FriendFeed? Real-time commenting? - Colin

funny that all the other service are copying FF - Andrew Acomb

Robert - yah I have and I love it - If I was not married I would be seducing it now. - Robert Freeze

Gary: friendfeed is growing very fast. It might not be the poor step child for long. - Robert Scoble

David: I sure hope Palm will figure out how to get friendfeed support. It has Facebook support built into its contact list, though. - Robert Scoble

I can't wait for the Pre (not to get off topic again) - David

It would really help if FriendFeed could find a way to identify reposts across different services and group them together under a drop down item (or something like that). Didn't the old version of FriendFeed do that? - Paul Jacobson

Paul: the new one does too, but it doesn't always catch the reposts. - Robert Scoble

Robert: isn't that a big reason to cross post? FB support but no FF support in the case of a smart phone OS. - David

Robert: You can do live video in FriendFeed? How? - Shawn Hickman

Shawn: I use Kyte.tv. It kicks off a discussion in friendfeed. Everyone can watch live and comment on both Kyte or friendfeed. - Robert Scoble

They can watch it right in FF? - Shawn Hickman

Shawn, no, gotta click a link, open a new browser window. - Robert Scoble

is that better than ustream's chat and social media integration (I've only tried twitter there and the native chat)? - Gib

People like us read all three. Most people read just one. - Mike Abundo

Gib: I think so. Here's an example: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... - Robert Scoble

Robert: Thanks, I am going to be checking that out:) - Shawn Hickman

Stuart: I'm not. I was noticing that a very large percentage of the people I read on all these services ARE cross posting. - Robert Scoble

That's a major reason I stopped following Lockergnome, just got annoying - Andrew Acomb

Robert, perhaps you should do a post on your blog about how to avoid cross posting. - Robert Freeze

I started cross posting just because I thought it was cool that I could. But now I see the point. - David

I have started to just post to FF which then sends it out to Twitter. I guess that is cross posting. - Shawn Hickman

Robert: you can't avoid it. Unfortunately. - Robert Scoble

Scobes: I annoyed myself on Friday. Stopped pushing my FF to facebook. I'll just be loud in person. - Kevin Murray

perhaps a cross posting best practices... - Robert Freeze

I just cross posted this manually over on Facebook. It'll be interesting to see if anyone comes over from Facebook. I've found that engagement is a lot lower there than it is on Twitter. - Robert Scoble

Stuart, that is what I like most about FF. It's a great hub for your things - Shawn Hickman

my project tomorrow is to write it all down and figure out how to best prevent this... The issue I have is I want what I post in twitter to go out on Facebook... but I don't want everything I put on Facebook to go to twitter... both end up here... I am sure a solution is right under my nose but I just started using FriendFeed seriously two days ago so I am still learning all it's capabilities. Any suggestions? And Scoble, did you still want to chat? - Sid Burgess

Sid: lets chat tomorrow. Sorry. - Robert Scoble

sorry to ask something off topic but is there a way to do a date range search on FF? - Gary Gannon

One question I kept asking myself was whether I wanted to follow someone on twitter whom I was already subscribed to on FF. I've decided no. - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

didnt hate it till i started using seesmic desktop more :) now i want to stop feeding twitter into facebook - sean percival

While this is annoying for those who use multiple services, I think we're some time away before it becomes a problem for most folks. On the list of things to fix about these services, this is low priority. Smart filtering tools will sort this out, helped by more centralized control for users on where things go out. - Brad_King

Agree - personally, I no longer "auto post" twitter and Facebook. As to friendfeed, I am watching it but not really using it as "central" - Mick Yates

the reason why i can't avoid cross posting is that i know people who follows twitter+ff+fb, but also people who is only on fb, or twitter, and i'd like all of them to be able to read what i'm talking about... - Ivy /composmentis

Micah: Installed SIMBL & GreaseKit but haven't seen anything to make FriendFeed less ugly. Do I need a script? - Gib

Gary: I don't know how to do a date-range limited search in friendfeed. There's a lot of stuff still missing in the search features here. - Robert Scoble

thanks Robert...night all - Gary Gannon

WOW!!! Check this google search out... this conversation comes up... - Andrew Acomb

http://www.google.com/search... - Andrew Acomb

Sorta fast, not bad. - Colin

Andrew: wow, Google is going real time! - Robert Scoble

Twitter is twisting their arm... - Andrew Acomb

I like how it showed up from Scoble and Loic in the sub-result - Colin

Andrew, thanks, I just Tweeted that Google search. - Robert Scoble

I never, ever crosspost to FB. For a number of reasons, not the least of which is that my mother doesn't need to read all the geek stuff I post :) I wish folks would stop sending Twitter to FB, too - Karoli

Interesting, then we'll no longer need gmail ? - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

what's what's what's to to to discuss discuss discuss ? ? ? - Ted Russ

Just realized that my comments were being sent to twitter as well. Oops, just turned that off:) - Shawn Hickman

It's about time you realized that. I always disliked those Friendfeed -> Twitter reposts. - Morton Fox

Ted: nothing nothing nothing, go go go on on on with with with your your your lives lives lives. - Robert Scoble

Morton: THOSE I am not going to stop. - Robert Scoble

Morton: but I scientifically am engineering each one to start a conversation now. :-) - Robert Scoble

I do enjoy sending my "likes" to twitter though - Shawn Hickman

Chacun a son gout! I find twitter is a good place to park a thought in public. I know people who read my twitter posts who will never join facebook and vice versa. Many's the time when a twitter post has sparked off a really good conversation in facebook. - Nic Price

Robert: sorry about the delay coming back.. I was reading the bazzilion comments here!!! Man, this place is much different than twitter or Facebook... very fast paced. - Sid Burgess

Sid: it's only occassionally like this here. Most of the time items don't get any engagement. - Robert Scoble

while it goes with the territory i understand cross posting for many is necessary since it is reaching different audiences. it's the nature of the infrastructures. however, friendfeed's detection of similar content and providing a nested link may be on to something. grouping up related topics by the same poster across platforms may help filter much of the redundancy. having them nested... more... - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

There's no hard and fast rule for reposting, it depends on your twitter audience and what you want to achieve. It's an option, after all. - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

Back to the topic... what about a greasemonkey script to cut out duplicates? It wont be helpful for everyone but it eliminates the issue of the platforms adapting and solves the issue at the end user. - Sid Burgess

Sid: that's above my pay grade. - Robert Scoble

Gib, grab the userscript here: http://userstyles.org/styles... but make sure you use the "Load as user script" button (can't be a user style, need to be a user script for GreaseKit). It's a distinctive look, I actually prefer the native FF design most of the time, but the comment highlighting alone is worth the price of admission. Anyway, you can customize it from there. - Micah Wittman

Robert, ouch ;) - Micah Wittman

also, I find the conversations take on different tones depending on which service/site they're happening on - depending on levels of familiarity etc. - Nic Price

sorry, another question: Is there a keyboard shortcut for commenting? I am too lazy to want to have to scroll up every time I see someone say something I want to "opinionate" on. :) Where is my easy button? ;) - Sid Burgess

perhaps i'm biased but i've never invested much on greasemonkey since -as far as i understand it- it only affects locally, client-side & does not reflect what others would typically see. it's more of a local solution to a more widely distributed problem. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

cutting out the duplicates wouldn't work because the posts may trigger different conversations in each place - merging them together might make nonsense of the flow - Nic Price

sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq: But isn't that Robert's issue? I guess that begs the question, if someone cross posts in the forest and Robert Scoble never saw it, did it actually happen? I like the user end solution because if it bothers you, in 15 seconds you could (theoretically) make it go away. If you don't mind, you don't install the script. I have a few scripts that I enjoy using so I am biased toward them. - Sid Burgess

Yes, cutting dups with a client-side script would be difficult because of realtime updates bubbling posts up to the top. - Micah Wittman

Sid, no easy button, but you can use my script that adds a Comment and Like links to the bottom of a thread http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - Micah Wittman

sid: i suppose what i'm arguing for is more of a universal solution that does not require installing yet another script. it's something that other users may come across that could havea more elegant solution. don't get me wrong, i'm all for mods, hacks, and scripts but i think that problems like that can be better solved in broader strokes -more utility for more users with the least effort. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

just realised I followed Robert's link here from twitter! - Nic Price

It doesn't deal with dups, but here's a user script you can use to filter out (hide) @-replies and/or posts with a list of stop words you can define http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - Micah Wittman

Nic Price: I'm not talking about cutting out duplicates, just grouping them together so they don't clutter up the stream like a Twitter conversation. FriendFeed could take the first instance of the content item to enter the stream and designate it as the lead item. All the subsequent posts could be added to it under a drop down arrow. You can comment on any of them but at least group them together, tidy the stream. - Paul Jacobson

Micah: Thanks for the scripts! Ahhh, my easy button works! - Sid Burgess

Maybe this is only an issue for power users. I can't see casual followers on any single system being hit with the realization what they've read is showing up in all the places they read. They just aren't as nuts about all this as we are and maybe that's a good thing. - Jack Humphrey

Blackfeathers: I completely understand what you are hoping for... I just don't believe it will ever happen unless all social media platforms start using one single unified stream or code (like html is for the internet) - Sid Burgess

sid: perhaps this whole ghoulash of stuff will eventually boil down into more internet standards that will some day work. granted companies by nature will have proprietary technologies and core competencies, but a level of workability across platforms may be necessary. the momentum has gradually started with efforts towards openid, facebook connect, and the like. it may be the beginning... more... - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

Paul Jacobson: agreed, the grouping of conversations sounds good. I guess there's also the issue about permissions and conversations happening in public vs private. - Nic Price

I setup as "main entrance" of posting FF where import also RSS from blog, public Delicious, and Shared from GReader, then via yahoo pipe I setup an rss for import ((My FF stream) + (My FFlikes)) into Facebook notes... then i read on TW, FF and GReader, but post only on FF... seems perfect except for the pain of notes import on Facebook that is awful and buggy :( - CantorJF

Someone once told me - it's not who follows you, it's who you follow. Hence, I follow different people on my regularly visited platforms so I don't have a cross posting problem. ;) - Mona Nomura

I am going to have to reread your comment again in the morning when I can process it better... it sounds interesting. I have often wondered about setting up a "mother pipe of all yahoo pipes" which would allow me to post content into a field on a form. The content would then go do it's thing and not duplicate and the replies or feedback from the post would come back to a simple thread (like this one) and the process could start all over. - Sid Burgess

It seems that it would be immensely valuable to so many people who use social media as tool for their business. - Sid Burgess

@Mona Nomura: what if a person you follow on twitter, and you don't follow on ff, starts on ff a conversation about something posted on twitter? - Ivy /composmentis

Nic Price: I am sure the gurus behind the scenes can figure all that stuff out. - Paul Jacobson

Ivy /composmentis - my head just exploded. - Mona Nomura

just thinking out loud. an open source laconica-style interface with threaded discussions seems like one possible way. each user can be on separate services. but unlike info silos, everybody can get up to speed in a single-threaded discussion -similar to blind carbon copy emails. if anything happens it might involve an infrastructure change in transparency. at the granular level, much of the temporal mechanics can be learned & carry over from tcp/ip defragmenting of packets... - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

Blackfeathers: so in essence you are saying I can have my cake and eat it? - Sid Burgess

Yup...see the same thing, and don't like that I inadvertently spam my followers/friends. - Carlton Hackett

Sid, you're welcome. - Micah Wittman

sid: just seeing a possible outcome. it can be like a light at the end of a very long tunnel. users would have to change over time and realize what's going on. 'twitter++' could require funneling & processing the twitter stream (as friendfeed and other services are doing but with more sophistication). this would mute out its own direct usefulness as a single entity for a next higher... more... - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

Totally agree: Especially the thing that some people do: Syncing their Twitter feed to Facebook. To me, Twitter is for conversations, Facebook for status messages and more general "What am I doing". - Oyvind Solstad

I used to keep my FB seperate from Twitter and FF. Now I see all of my FF posts on my FB. But no one is to blame but myself for clicking on that "link" button. I may ''unlink" if such a thing exists. - Carol E

Go to: http://www.facebook.com/editapp... ; From there you can edit settings to where your posts are no longer published on your FB wall, seen only by you, etc. Good luck! - Carol E

http://friendfeed.com/setting... ; Here you can control your FF/Twitter postings. - Carol E

I wish the aggregation services like FriendFeed were smart enough to recognize when someone is using ping (or whatever tool) to spam their stuff to every service out there when they post something and just show it to you ONCE. I really hate the cross-posting that occurs, too. It just creates so much noise. I generally unfollow/unfriend people across ALL services when they do the... more... - Christopher A. Wichura

The other problem with cross-posting, is any responses are now in separate places in separate threads of conversation. - Christopher A. Wichura

It's interesting seeing how advanced the discussion is here. I know plenty of intelligent and net-aware people who don't even know what FF or Twitter really are yet. It's gotta be client solutions, since plenty of people already have their own mental view of what each service is for. RT is valuable, because it expands ideas across different social circles (preferably, with a comment why too). I'd love to see laconi.ca API take over as a base, but doubt it will. - Shane Curcuru

I also hate cross-posting within Friendfeed itself, I just hate to see the same URL shared by lots of other friends. There has to be someway to globalize the links and show only the views of my friends from that. - Jayavasanthan J

Yes I am tending to agree, its a bit strange to see the same things. The amount of original content at any one time is really not that high. - Robert

Well, I agree. Thanks to Friendfeed though, my accounts are behaving like cross posting. Everything I do on Facebook, Digg, Youtube, Last.fm gets relaid back to FF and FF relays it back to Twitter. If I do something on Twitter, it comes to FF as well... - Manuel Mas

Usenet groups where so much better - Michele Costabile

Some things should be cross posted: Freedom isn't free... Honor our veterans by taking a moment to Join the Memorial Day group on facebook http://bit.ly/zngxm - Bob Stewart

Cross posting can be annoying but as there are now so many posting platforms it seems inevitable, it is simply some peoples response to having so many similar but not identical systems. Either an ettiquette needs to be established or some way to better interconnect things like Twitter, FF, Facebook is needed - Robert Davies

There are too many of these stupid things. Facebook's a winner and loser; it'll win "personal," lose "public" content. Twitter's a loser, too limited in uses, e.g. no real discussions. Friendfeed (or similar) will win. - Maxwell Kennerly

this is getting annoying indeed... Ive started to use FF more than twitter now. Is there a FF blackberry app? - Nigel Walsh

Nigel, have you tried fftogo? Not full featured, but works on ANY mobile. - John E. Bredehoft from fftogo

While I dislike cross posting myself I'm highly guilty of doing it. I blame the disconnected decentralized websites and mediums causing needs to do it. There is no single decentralized network message bus/format. Someone needs to sit down and write an RFC so things will continue to work years after the initial companies FAIL and we can just move on to better problems to solve instead of doing the same ones over and over. - rob friedman

Yeah, what Rob said. - Julie Barrett from twhirl

We need a sort of Digg system that presents material based on an aggregated contact list from our different networks. It should recognize duplicate submissions and I suppose it could also rank content using exponential weighting based on the degrees of separation between viewer and submitter. If this already exists, please point me to it. - Benjamin Winters

Each service I use has a specific purpose - I don't cross post anything :) - Chris Saad

If each service had a specific purpose, then all these websites would stop trying to be everyone's everything online, adding new features or design tweaks that copy another site each week. - rob friedman

@Rob those sites don't get it and will not survive. I use twitter for microblogging, I use wordpress for blogging, I use flickr for photos and video. Everything gets aggregated into FriendFeed so that people can subscribe to a singe stream. What else do I need? - Chris Saad

Cross posting comes off like some form of Tourette's or short-term memory loss. You might understand the problem but it's still annoying. - AJ Kohn

@chris, Well what you need is subjective. WordPress is a blog, and is trying to become a (self)hosted twitter for everyone. Flickr is just a hyper networked gallery installation. FriendFeed is a feed aggregation website, too many similar FOSS to list, special because it does HTTP long polling to the web browser client making updates seem "real" time to the user. Twitter is short, easy has feeds and works via SMS. All want to have a real time conversation or content archived on the web. - rob friedman

I think that an other way to put the question is this: the content I create in the web is scattered everywhere and often is out of my control. In the old days of NNTP, my postings in the news where searchable and all the communication directed to me was in my inbox. Today things are disperse and aggregators, like FF create problems as they solve other problems. I think I would like to... more... - Michele Costabile

who doesn't crosspost nowadays? - polou/indigo_bow

Crosspost is the new "forward" - Andrea Grassi

Heh ... for us old tymers when "the Net" meant Usenet, cross-posting has some good aspects and many bad aspects. - JoWazzoo

Drop Facebook - Estelle Metayer

I still try to post different content, and post content relevant to the readership, you know Mashable is posting different stuffs on Facebook, Twitter (the only time crosspost with their website) and Friendfeed (some content may be similar). - polou/indigo_bow

Cross-posting from Twitter to Friendfeed started to bug me a few weeks ago when I realized most of my tweets where of no interest to people in Friendfeed. I just realized that I can save a custom search from Twitter and use it to filter the messages that get cross-posted using a hashtag (like Selective Twitter for Facebook does). The point is: more granular control of cross-posting. - Andrés David Aparicio

Thank http://ping.fm and talk to Chris Pirillo, it works well for him. - Garin Kilpatrick

Seriously, folks got together on OAuth. Can they get together on a GUID (Globally Unique Identifier) on messages? At least then client developers (and UI alike) could develop methods of shrinking duplicate original content. - Jason Nunnelley

the feedalizr app removes or hides duplicates from your stream so you dont see the same Twitter and Friendfeed posts more than once www.feedalizr.com - Rafiq Phillips

Robert Scoble

Watch the Google anthill move toward social and real time - http://scobleizer.com/2009...

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My prediction that we're about to see Google move toward the real time and social web in its Google I/O conference this week. 2010web - Robert Scoble

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I'd really like to see Google get to real time & embrace social (enjoyed your post on Reader). I'm amazed at the envelope pushing that others are doing and although it was something I had come to expect from Google, not always seeing it now. - suecosby

It seems kind of weird to do it at a conference geared towards developers though, doesn't it? It's still a good platform but it seems a little off topic. - Brandon Titus

that would be great. and hopefully more effective that twitter's search. :) - mike wood

Brandon: developers are going to help bring Google the real time data and metadata it needs to build an effective real time search property. I doubt that Google will ship real time search or show off something that looks like friendfeed, but you'll see them make the steps that will be necessary preconditions to allow them to play in the real time and social spaces more effectively. - Robert Scoble

Zee I answered over there. - Robert Scoble

It looks like the Web is shifting to real time. The real time WEB. - Keven

So do you think they'll build some sort of interface to importing data to make the web more easily scan-able in real-time (something like SUP), might it be more social related stuff, making more sense out of the social graph or something else entirely? - Brandon Titus

Brandon: that is above my pay grade but it will be interesting to see how they convice us to give Google our real time stuff that we currently are giving Twitter, friendfeed, and Facebook. - Robert Scoble

Actually, I'm moving to the opinion that real-time blogs are similar to real-time stock data. Useful for "professionals" in the blogosphere, but meh to most people. Of course that doesn't mean everybody won't jump on the "next new" bandwagon. The real problem people face is aggregation. There are so many blogs, forums, email accounts, flickr, etc, etc, that it's a real pain to visit all... more... - Jack Jones

Maybe they'll just buy Friendfeed.... - John

There's hard data to make a prediction about when Google gets real-time: http://www.satine.org/archive... - Charles Ying

Google will have to be in real-time by 2010 if its not then there will be another service there to replace it. However, I don't think they will fully embrace real-time in 2010. - Nicholas James

Dave Martin

The curse and danger of being an early adopter is a disconnect w/ the mass, a blindness to real-world context (e.g., everyone's on Twitter)

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I am more aware of that than most of the late adopters I know who take their clues from people like Oprah. Can you tell me the market share numbers of Facebook, Twitter, and friendfeed? I can. Most around me can't. Your point is wrong. - Robert Scoble

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Robert, the 140 limit impaired my thought. I'll stand by my tweet with one modification. The curse and danger of being an early adopter is the POTENTIAL of a disconnect w/the mass, a blindness to real-world context. Respect that you know the market shares of apps, as do I, and agree that most around any of us don't know which actually serves to make my point. - Dave Martin

Dave: thanks, yeah, it's why I get so mad when people tell me that the simplicity of Twitter is making it win. It hasn't won yet. It has 30 million. Facebook added that many people in the past six weeks and Facebook is more complex than friendfeed. Most people have no clue about how these things get popular and assume that because Oprah is talking about it that it's the biggest one out... more... - Robert Scoble

Which often translates into trying to make me seem some sort of weirdo or outlier. I hate that too, because it often means that people want to stick with their old crappy way of doing something and don't want to consider there's a new better way. - Robert Scoble

Robert, respect and understand your pov. The dirty little secret might turn out to be this...MS, FB, Twitter and FF are all just crude first gen tools that we are using on the way to a much different world, a new era wherein communication will be redefined in radical and revolutionary approaches that we not able to grasp. This and other possibilities make these times the most... more... - Dave Martin

Two points: 1) Maybe I'm wrong about this Robert, but that Tweet wasn't directly at only you. I've been around for some time as well + while I can't give you the market share on the companies, I've seen enough to know that many folks in the tech/news space *don't* understand how the tech will be "mainstreamed" and get caught in the hype; and 2) I don't think you meant your post this... more... - Brad_King

you can still be an early adopter and be blind to the masses.. knowing the take up figures, expansion figures and churn rates of a service does no mean you are immune to being blind to how the masses move. I could tell you that a massive amount of facebook users are fed up with the system and you'd never know that based on the pure figures alone. Context is certainly king, but it's... more... - alphaxion

alphaxion: the masses almost ALWAYS follow early adopter behavior. I was among the first to get onto ICQ and one of the first ones to get off of it, too. I look at these things as tides. Are the tides moving toward the service or away from it? - Robert Scoble

The first waves to wash up on a new beach are oblivious often to the waves that will wash up on that same beach three years from now. - Robert Scoble

Me? I keep in touch with the real world by traveling and meeting normal people and watching their behavior. Most business people still use Microsoft Office, for instance, but I've just recently started seeing business people using Google's Docs and Spreadsheets. That was an interesting obvservation. The tides are moving! - Robert Scoble

Can't the "masses" be the ones who are disconnected? Just because early adopters believe that they see the future of things in presently evolving technologies doesn't disconnect them from reality. Almost by definition, innovators and creators are disconnected from the masses. In fact, it's a duty in some regards. - phil baumann

Phil: absolutely true, but the masses usually get pulled in by something. Either their boss forces them to use some new technology (which is how many people got onto email or IM) or their family forces them to use some new technology (I know many people who wanted to see pictures of their grandkids, so they got pulled into Facebook) or they get pulled in by celebrities who are talking... more... - Robert Scoble

Robert: I suppose a great deal of who we call masses are peeps who just want to live their lives as they know it. So ventures are well advised to find out what nudges are needed to get them to tie products to what they're familiar with. That's usually something very simple (as in your examples); and perhaps that's why it can be hard to figure out (front-of-nose syndrome). - phil baumann

Phil: and sometimes you just need to do something for yourself and screw the rest of the world. That's what Woz did with his Apple I. He didn't expect it to go mainstream. He just wanted to build his own computer for himself. The best innovations are like that. Then society changes to match that innovation because they see value in it. - Robert Scoble

Phil, one aspect of early adopter behavior that deserves discussion is the penchant for the "dead" meme (e.g., RSS is dead, MS Office is dead, radio is dead, TV is dead). While some early adopters may move on - as Robert suggests with his Google docs example - it does not mean that mass abandonment is underway. Truth be known, we have all fallen in love with first generation apps that... more... - Dave Martin

I have to deal with just that in the presentation I am making for My Name is E. The platform, apps and connector for starters solve a problem (or make a hassle easier) that the people we want to tell it do not have (being on all kind of different social platforms, and wanting to connect easily, and having contact data for the rest of your life). And then there is out-of-this-world... more... - Ruud van Wijngaarden

Those that proffer the "dead" meme are, in fact, suggesting that they are somehow able to time the mass market. Clearly, the facts do not support any such ability. Witness the four hundred year death spiral of newspapers. Certainly the dead tree guys are fighting for their lives and many are hearing the death rattle but some (incl Rupert & co) are dedicating themselves to the rethink required to somehow survive in the brave new world. - Dave Martin

Dave - I guess we can say there are different kind of early adopters. Some just see ways to make the world a better place and get passionate about what they think will serve that purpose. Others may just adopt for the sake of adopting, without a deep regard for a focused purpose. Those are the ones who probably enjoy delivering eulogies. - phil baumann

@robert and I'm betting you signed up to many services that never reached the mainstream. It's the nostradamus effect. Some of the things you sign up to early do reach mainstream, some don't. Doesn't mean you're prognosticating everything they go to. Tell me, how active are you on habbo hotel? cause there's a shit load of people on that service. How about Bebo? Malple Story? - alphaxion

Phil a lot of the "dead" talk is just to get a fight going, which aggregates attention. - Robert Scoble

@Phil, Robert: I find those who harbor over "death" generally don't have anything to say about what *will* work. That's Robert's great strength - focusing on what and why something *can* work. Far more interesting to read about. (I will retire now to listen to that dead medium, the radio.) - Brad_King

alphaxion: I have tried a TON of things in the past, but I only get excited by a small handful and when I get excited by something the percentage of times those go mainstream is very high. I was the first one to do a web page for ICQ (which got me invited to Davos, by the way). I was early on blogging. I was early on email. I was early on the web. I was early on Google (begged my dad... more... - Robert Scoble

I do miss things, by the way. I missed Del.icio.us (I didn't need it, I had my blog to bookmark things). But that's OK, I usually do note that those things are getting popular with others (that's one reason why I watch crowds of early adopters so I can understand what their behavior is and how it differs from mine). - Robert Scoble

Robert is exactly correct on the "dead" talk - it's the noise of the agent provocateur. Sad that it remains a time tested approach to getting attention. We live in a world where it remains far easier to throw bricks than to use them to build anything of substance. - Dave Martin

Dave: no one pays attention to the geek in the science lab but everyone pays attention to the fight in the quad. That behavior is not about to change anytime soon. - Robert Scoble

Early adopters are also often early dabblers who don't put the effort in to find the depth of value in a service. I know I was guilty of that we FF for a very long time. We try on new things and gravitate toward those that are most comfortable to us for reasons we may not even know ourselves. Sometimes we land in a particular service because that's where our comfort zone of friends and... more... - Ken Camp

@Robert: here's where we diverge, in thinking that we are early adopters. Email dates back to the 60s at MIT + I was using it (with scads of others) in the early 80s (I was 12 so I'm sure it had be around in great use before that - I have skipped the 70s but know there is a giant whole in my knowledge there). And blogging is simply an application - BBS and such have been here long before even WE came on the scene. -- of course my point actually validates your "tides" point earlier. - Brad_King

Brad: of course you are right. I was actually the 65,561st user of ICQ. I was about as late to Twitter. A little earlier than that to friendfeed, but Louis Gray beat me by about five months. I just look for doubling pennies and hop in front of the parade before most people recognize a parade has formed. :-) - Robert Scoble

@Robert: I know, that was totally a nerd point (and frankly irrelevant - just a touchstone issue with me). You are of course one of the parade-leaders. I don't mean to imply otherwise. I think that was the academic (*gasp*) side of me + the journalist, cringing at "first" or "one of the first". *sighs* Just ignore me :) - Brad_King

@robert so were a hell of a lot of other people, I'm not denying the amount of work you do to help foster an increased number of people joining whatever is new. I thank you for it :) I'm just saying that it's more of a shotgun approach rather than sniper when it comes to these services. Early adopters will sign up to so many services that some of them are bound to go mainstream. It... more... - alphaxion

Part of being an early adopter is recognizing that most of the world is NOT on these services. Our role is to investigate and evangelize. - Louis Gray

I think the discussion of blindness and disconnect is wrong. We know there are different adoption rates and social circles. - Louis Gray

Investigate, test, find that the tool fits the needs, and then evangelize. - Zackatoustra

Seems to me the one thing most difficult for early adopters to say out loud is "I don't know" as it appears everyone has an opinion and stands willing to defend their handicapping of future odds of any new venture and/or interpret as proof of their case some small sample of early data. Since batting averages are not easily available the wrong are allowed to make repeated failed... more... - Dave Martin

Dave, who are the early adopters you are talking about? One thing I tend to do is write up summaries that show when I was right or wrong - and we try not to make big prognostications. We use the tools and say where they are useful. - Louis Gray

Louis, my reference is made to "the usual suspects." While your disclosures have earned you a well deserved respect, too many others (e.g., those that would proffer a "dead" meme to get attention) are trading on the potential gains of immediate attention without regard to the intellectual honesty of their argument. - Dave Martin

Louis is correct. I say all the time that I don't know how things will turn out. Google might release a killer real time search engine tomorrow that gets me to switch from friendfeed. One thing you'll see with me, though, is I will push the best of breed and if someone can demonstrate something is better than what I'm doing (you can see what I'm using on Wakoopa) then I'd love to hear about it. - Robert Scoble

@robert which is all any of us can do really :) I just don't agree with the notion that because any of us early adopt and that service hits mainstream that any of us called it. We can only say "this was cool/useful" and/or "you should try this, you might like it more". There is no connect, just a best guess. - alphaxion

alphaxion, spot-on! best guesses are all any one of us has beyond our opinions, perceptions, attitudes and beliefs. - Dave Martin

alphaxion in my career I have regularly gotten excited before most other people I know about some things. Most of the time those things get very big. A year ago how many of you were pushing everyone around them onto friendfeed? A few were but most were calling me stupid. Or worse. Arrington in December said I needed an intervention. - Robert Scoble

Robert, take heart and lead on, please keep in mind the scenery only changes for the lead dog. It was ever thus. - Dave Martin

Dave: that's why I jump in front of the parade. :-) - Robert Scoble

@robert a year ago I was applying for a job position with rocketboom that was advertised on friendfeed. That was my introduction to this place ;) crap was it that long ago now, I miss writing with them. That and I still want andrew to find vertical slice cool enough to add it to the rocketboom stable... but personal wishes aside, I still think it's more a case of stumbling across the... more... - alphaxion

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