"Well, so much for the truckloads of naysayers that have lambasted the EU's carbon trading system over the years--Europe is set to easily meet the emissions reduction goals set by the Kyoto Protocol. You know, that treaty the US helped draft and then never signed, saying it would leave our economy in shambles and that it gave China unfair advantages? Yeah, that one. Europe has successfully cut emissions, grown its economy, and seen a huge surge in renewable energy development. Thanks in part to none other than a cap and trade system. Joe Romm at Climate Progress reports: Europe made a major commitment under the Kyoto Protocol that U.S. conservatives have been telling us for years it would never achieve. In fact, the Europeans are poised to surpass their targets under the terms of the Protocol. It is no longer plausible for those who don't want a U.S. cap-and-trade system to point to the European Trading System (ETS) as a failure. Quite the reverse."
- Bluesun 2600
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Dear non-crazy people: No matter what President Obama does, says, or wins, wingnuts will still freak out about it. So don't sweat what the crazy people say about Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize. Just relish the dark, rich taste of schadenfreude.
I'm sorry, but this seems a little misplaced. You realize that this means Obama was nominated on his 11th day in office? It seems very politicized.
- Maxamad
Oh, how I love hearing your voice of Reason, Steven! ;-) Totally made my morning! ^_^
- Carlton Hackett
And there will also be those of us who are not wingnuts and are not crazy who will also be critical of this award, because the situation is worthy of criticism..
- Dave Roth
For those folks, Dave, I give you this: "Asked why the prize had been awarded to Mr Obama less than a year after he took office, Nobel Committee head Thorbjoern Jagland said: "It was because we would like to support what he is trying to achieve". "It is a clear signal that we want to advocate the same as he has done," he said. He specifically mentioned Mr Obama's work to strengthen international institutions and work towards a world free of nuclear arms." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2...
- Steven Perez
@Steven: funnily enough, those are all things that wingnuts are opposed to.
- Rene Wirtz
So, basically, he got the Nobel Peace Prize for his work as a "community organizer" ... Steve told us all that was important work, back when everyone was mocking it. Here's his vindication.
- Joel Bennett
Reading is fundamental, Joel: "Asked why the prize had been awarded to Mr Obama less than a year after he took office, Nobel Committee head Thorbjoern Jagland said: "It was because we would like to support what he is trying to achieve". "It is a clear signal that we want to advocate the same as he has done," he said. He specifically mentioned Mr Obama's work to strengthen international institutions and work towards a world free of nuclear arms."
- Steven Perez
So, just so I can see if I am reading it right, President Obama received the award, not for what he HAS done, but what he MAY do or is TRYING to do? I am definitely not a wingnut from either side of the aisle, but that does sound a little like it is stretching the purpose of the award. I don't doubt He will do something to actually deserve the award, I just question its timing.
- Andy Glover
@Andy: it is precisely the timing that is so important. The US has been gliding down a slippery slope for a long time now and this encouragement could actually turn the slope.
- Rene Wirtz
So we give an award that has been given to people who have accomplished great things on the behalf of peace to someone who "will do" great things on the behalf of peace? Sorry @rene, I don't buy it. It cheapens the award, not because of the Who, which I have no issue with at all as I see what the President is trying to accomplish , but the when. The committee should have waited till next year when the evidence would have been firmer and some actions had already borne fruit.
- Andy Glover
Given how the world used to view the US under Bush, I'd say that change in reputation is a consider step forward, Andy.
- Steven Perez
@Andy: I disagree on the timing. One year from now it may be too late. Nothing concrete has yet be done, maybe in another year, the US may have invaded Iran. This award is to underscore the importance of the US's behavior in the world theater. (Then again, the peace prize is a bit of an oxymoron to begin with ...)
- Rene Wirtz
And besides, after Obama gets the Israelis and Palestinians talking to each other again, they'll be plenty of time to give him a second Nobel. :D
- Steven Perez
It just sully's the award and turns it into a political carrot now in a lot of folks minds, including mine. And since when does the award of a prize dictate US policy? And to award a prize as an effort to "push" the US into a course of action is not a good reason to award the honor at this point. BTW, does anyone seriously, even for a moment think the President would authorize an invasion of Iran given the "Why" behind his own election? That'd be the quickest way to a single term in history.
- Andy Glover
@Andy: again, I agree with your opinion on the prize, but what a lot of people do not seem (to want) to understand is the severity of the problems the US is finding itself in. It is the Chinese, Japanese and a few European countries that keep the US going and so far words have fallen on deaf ears. This is a less than subtle action to get a message across: either you do what you promised...
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- Rene Wirtz
Andy: handing out Nobel Peace Prizes for political achievement has been de rigueur since Teddy Roosevelt won the Prize in 1906 for mediating an end to the Russo-Japanese War.
- Steven Perez
I could agree with you IF the nomination would not HAD to have been submitted with the president in office at no more than 11 days. At that point, the only real change made was several hastily penned executive orders to undo some of the mess created by executive order. @ Steven, but the point is Teddy Roosevelt had DONE something when he had been given that award. To be an equivalent...
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- Andy Glover
Andy: working with other countries and international agencies when his predecessor thumbed his nose at them and started wars on two fronts is NOT having done nothing.
- Steven Perez
@Andy: all other nominees were chosen at that point in time as well, still enough time between then and now to award the prize to someone else.
- Rene Wirtz
As it stands, I have no heart burn that Obama received the award, as I believe time will bear out he deserves/will deserve the award. My only issue is the reduction of the Prize to a political and social Carrot/Stick wrapped up in one, especially when there are other, more profound ways to give the President the message implied in posts above. Refusing him the Olympics in his home city...
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- Andy Glover
Andy: two things: (1) as I have stated before, no matter who the President is, if I had the choice to spend a summer in Chicago (my hometown, as well, btw) and a summer in sexy Rio, I'd be packing my bags for Brazil, too. (2) Rene is correct. Being nominated is not the same as an automatic win. Obama could have done a lot of things in the interim eight months to DQ himself, yet the...
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- Steven Perez
@Andy: I agree with what you state. Thanks for the civil debate :-)
- Rene Wirtz
@rene, Thanks as well. @ steven, frankly that is like saying the President deserved the award because he didn't mess things up for eight months. With that criteria, even bush could have qualified simply because he was out of power and couldn't do anything to make things worse. Also, don't for a second think the choice for Rio was anything OTHER than a slap at the US in retaliation for...
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- Andy Glover
Sorry, Andy. The Committee felt differently.
- Steven Perez
Let me be the first to congratulate the police in Oslo. They will get a lot more paid overtime work, just in time before Christmas. And they will be allowed to carry a weapon on the 13th of December. Cheers!
- Baard @ Pixum
Steven, I voted for Obama, I'd like to see him achieve what he said he'd do on the campaign trail. And I don't believe he has earned the prize - even if one stretches it to mean "awarded for something in progress". He just hasn't put in enough time. There were many people and organizations more deserving of the award. The Nobel Committee screwed up, in my opinion. Not everyone who disagrees with the choice of 2009 recipient is a wingnut.
- Spidra Webster
who's calling those who disagree wingnuts? i don't think he's earned it yet either. i do, however, think that those who blame HIM for his winning are a bit touched in the head.
- Joe Silence is not dead
@DS: exactly, it's not like he campained for it, like he tried with the Olympics.
- Rene Wirtz
Blame us (Norway), we can take it :) We gave the peace prize to the leader of a nation at war after all.
- Eivind
I think the Nobel Peace Committee has always had a soft spot for anything around the nuclear threat, and Obama's been at it since 2006 or 2007, and less nuclear weapons is perhaps something the Nobel Peach Committee felt needed a big "yes, keep at it, get the message, dont forget the nuclear doomsday clock with the new global warming doom coming"
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I don't have a problem with it, at worst Obama will not do much for peace so it would be a wasted prize not a big deal, at best it's an encouragement (and reminder) to do something constructive and given what is at stake it's worth the risk. There are probably a lot more "peaceful" people that would deserve the prize but they are not in Obama's position to make real changes at this level.
- M F
Technically speaking, we aren't at war and haven't been at war with any country for quite some time. The proper way to put it is "We gave the peace prize to the leader of a nation involved in several armed conflicts and occupations after all"
- Alex Scoble
So technically speaking, what is war then may I ask? Unarmed conflict? But whatever... U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
- sofarsoShawn
"he's not a freaking idiot like Bush". Liked it especially because of these words. :-)
- Ton Zijp
omg these are all hysterical -- and please tell Matt Bailey that by some weird freak of chance, the huz and I watched "Gold Diggers in Paris" just last night
- D0r0th34
KUNG FU FINDING. *dies* "everybody was kung fu finding... metasearches were fast as lightning" STOP ME BEFORE I FILK AGAIN.
- D0r0th34
I'm pretty sure I bought Charlie's album as a Blue Note re-release. Great concept, great execution, agreed with DJF and Jenica.
- Steve is older than ever
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I have a problem with Carolyn's. I don't think you could fit over an hour of music on one side of an LP. Maybe it is 16 2/3 instead of 33 1/3. ;)
- Steve is older than ever
Heh. I wonder what the story is behind hers.
- lris
Re: Carolyn's card -- it's referencing a Keith Jarrett live performance recorded in 1975: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.... You're right that it wouldn't fit on one side. The reason Part II has two parts is so that it can fit onto the two sides of the LP.
- Kristin Partlo
Yes, but what's the significance of the year ranges?
- lris
1984-2003 is when she and Charlie and others were here. 2003-2004 is when Heather, Ann, and I were hired. 2005-2008 is when you, Matt, and Danya were hired. And then 2009 is, well, now. I thought of making it open ended: "2009 - " but decided against it.
- Kristin Partlo
I thought that might be it, but wasn't sure. Fun. :-)
- lris
Oh, and our album numbers? ... they're our start dates.
- lris
That's ok. I do understand why some people like the snakes...
- Joe....
Nah, I'm a Dodgers fan. So I'd root for the Rockies over, say, the Giants, but they're too close for comfort at the mo. At any rate, hope he has fun!
- Jaclyn
So awesome! I sang the anthem with my choir at SF Giants (can't stand them either, I'm an A's fan) and Sacramento Kings games, some of my best childhood music memories.
- Nikki D.
Thanks for the well wishes. Rockies won 5-4 over Dan Haren.
- Joe....
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Awesome! Me too! Had much less to loose, still love that 19_ reading though. Way to go!
- SAM
Old school, Aden. Eat less, move more. No tricks, no diets. Started paying attention to how many calories are in things. Amongst the things I eat far fewer of as a result: bagels and tortillas. Stopped deluded myself into thinking that low-fat meant low-calorie. Stopped mindlessly grazing, especially at work. Started bringing a calorie-conscious lunch four times a week. Committed to 30 minutes on the elliptical every work morning and occasionally on a weekend day. Try to take a short walk after lunch too.
- Greg Schwartz
My sustainable strategy is to be very disciplined before and during work and then let go a bit on nights and weekends. Still more mindfully than before, but when it's time for fried chicken/ribs/ice cream/whatever, I eat ravenously and without regret.
- Greg Schwartz
Kids today are just as safe as they were in the '70s, says "Free-Range Kids" author Lenore Skenazy, and what's really distressing is an alarmist culture that refuses to let them grow up.
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
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YES. I'm really glad somebody finally has the balls to say this.
- mike fabio
yeah right...i call this complete BS. todays kids have access to the internet and therefore to all evil in this world with a few clicks. kids today have so much more ways to get information where a parent cant have controll over.
- Chris Hofmann
@chris but an informed mind is a good thing. As long as the parents instill a strong concept good into the child. They're gonna learn this shit regardless, it's partly why bullying even exists in schools, teaches a child the hard way that the world is full of hate and suffering (I went through loads of bullying in school, to the point where I considered suicide). What's better, a child...
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- alphaxion
I don't take it to the extreme Free-Range level, but I give my kids more freedom than many of my peers. I have active boys, I try to tell myself accidents like broken bones are a part of the process and will teach them their natural limits while they heal well and won't end up in the unemployment line for missing work. Then again, having more kids than hands forces you to let go a little more or drive yourself nuts by never leaving the house / yard.
- Heather Solos
My comment on-site: I have to agree with you there. If I had a car, I’d be at my local Barnes & Nobles a lot more often. I have to admit I love working in that type of atmosphere. It just feels so much more productive, plus you meet people from all walks of life. I’ll have to remember your tip about using the books there for new ideas. Never really thought to do that, but it makes perfect sense. Why not put their products to use if you’re going to use the space.
- Corvida
Haven't you people ever heard of libraries?
- cecily
Eating and drinking is restricted in libraries, isn't it?
- Paola Bonomo
Libraries don't allow for you to talk on your cellphone while doing all of this. It's not the same at all if you ask me. Too quiet in libraries and everyone is aware of the forced silence. You can be more sociable in a bookstore without being deemed rude or inconsiderate.
- Corvida
Cecily,in my areas of interest I've got a better collection than any of the libraries in my immediate area -- but I can always find the latest stuff at a bookstore (I've got 'favourites' in about 14 cities in 5 different countries) not so in libraries. But apart from that, as Chris implies a good bookstore is a living space - many libraries are quite simply dead. A library with good librarians is one of the greatest things our society can offer- I use our local universities often, but bookstore? Heaven.
- David HC Soul
seen many people in bookstores settling down with a PC and phone. Alwys annoys the hell outta me when they start their business calls...and then there's the voip users - worse! Come on, PC use fine, conducting business over a phone go somewhere noisy or private.
- Paul Moss
Not every library, Paola. While my library does not allow eating indoors, we have a lovely, enclosed concourse - complete with restaurants - right outside the front door. As this is the pacific northwest, if we didn't allow people to bring in their coffees, there would be riots in the streets. However there are other library systems in our geographic area that do allow food indoors.
- cecily
I don't know what city you're in or what your area of interest might be David, but I work in a large-ish city and our main branch has a collection of nearly 3 million titles. We get new titles in daily - in print and electronically - so I find it hard to think of any bookstore that has a larger collection than my library - other than Amazon.com, but you can't eat or drink in there, either.
- cecily
I just can't help wondering how much of this is apocrypha from people who haven't been to a library in years. Re: cellphones - if you carry on a conversation quietly - using your inside voice, I mean - you generally can use a cell phone in a library. Silence your ringer (though we don't ask people to do that) and if people around you start to give you a dirty look, then you're probably talking too loudly anyway. We ask people to use the old phone booths to carry on long cell conversations.
- cecily
Interesting choice of word, Cecily, but letting that slide, for now, my library of choice has > 5.6 million books and hundreds of thousand ebooks ; my personal library a paltry 4,500 books (and about a dozen ebooks) while the "local" bookstore (not one of the favorites I mentioned above but still a frequent haunting ground) between them at a middling 125,000 perhaps. "my library" points me to the neat stuff in the "real library" (supplemented with the help/aid of good librarians as alluded in first post)
- David HC Soul
with this said , I still maintain my bookstore is alive, while my own library (and separate reading room) a place for quiet reflection and learning, with "the library" competing with other demands on my time and no longer my number one.
- David HC Soul
I would LOVE to be able to work from a bookstore or library. A respectful silence with inspiration all around. Sounds perfect...and the complete opposite of my work space.
- Chris Nixon
What word choice are you objecting to, David? "My" library? I'm a librarian, and the library I referred to in my original comment is the branch I work in. In that respect it is "my library", just as it was "my company" when I referred to the software development company where I used to work.
- cecily
Apocrypha - an interesting choice I said .... but then that would perhaps be too subtle a difference?
- David HC Soul
It'd be interesting to see public libraries transform themselves into co-working facilities...which is sort of the way they're used on college campuses.
- Ken Sheppardson
Actually you didn't say which word you objected to. In this sense, I'm using it much in the same way people use FUD - stories that are reported but really have no basis in fact. FWIW, I wasn't using the term to describe your experience. How could I when I didn't even know what area of study you were talking about?
- cecily
Ken, I think some public libraries are starting to move toward that model. I remember seeing a story about a library in the Netherlands that had recently adopted it. It was a beautiful space.
- cecily
Cecily, I'm sorry that my references appear to be too subtle or obscure to be followed. I never said I objected - that is purely your term. I said "interesting choice of word" in the initial post. When you challenged .. "Which word" I then stated exactly which word I found the usage of "interesting" and corrected you on your mistaken assertion that I objected; in your reply you challenged the correction I made to your interpretation by saying I hadn't stated the word you continue to insist, incorrectly,..
- David HC Soul
......that I "object" to. So: the etymology of apocrypha is interesting, your usage does tickle my funny bone somewhat (or as I previously said an interesting choice). Too painful to continue to punch on this tiny phone keyboard so I'll try to get on my computer when I get home to give you what caught my attention ... Whether you'll be amused as I was might be a different matter...
- David HC Soul
of course if a joke has to be explained <sigh>... but I did say I would let you in on why I found your word choice interesting. 1) in my original post I say "A library with good librarians is one of the greatest things our society can offer" - 2) but then as a throw-away JEST, in keeping with the tone of the original author's post I offer: "but bookstore? Heaven" -- Note how I throw an image of Faith, if not outright Religion into the discourse...
- David HC Soul
I know link is weak but I was tweaking Chris' writing of the Bookstore as almost 'business salvation". I wouldn't have even thought about it twice until your response --- then, being familiar with the Canonical usage of the word "apocrypha" it of course brought a smile to my face.... 3) aprocrypha ... 14 books of the Old Testiment included in the Vulgate but omitted from Jewish and Protestant versions of the Bible.
- David HC Soul
more commonly, these are thought of as instances where the learnered scholars within a religion decide some works to be of dubious authorship or authenticity and not part of the canon. While some modern usage has tended towards interpretation of the word as "urban legend" the quintessential usage is the religious connotation.
- David HC Soul
so to the punch line: a High Priestess (er excuse me Librarian) of the Library Faith (er that is Fraternity) steps up to declare that we, who see "bookstore - heaven", are heathens following false religious works (er bookstores) purely from belief in our own tales of dubious authenticity.
- David HC Soul
To be clear, Cecily... I don't get downtown often -- now that I don't work there -- and do not drive in specifically to visit the VPL whereas the old Main Library, and some reading rooms, at UBC do remain a "short-hop destination trip" for me. I've been a library lover due to love of books, not institutions - for example I had my first SFU library card while in HS - Gr. 10 and continued to obtain a UBC card for several decades post student there. I do hope suburban libraries can learn from NL example cited
- David HC Soul