Steven Livingstone-Pérez

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There was a lot of chatter about the future of FriendFeed this weekend. The short answer is that the team is working on a couple of longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world. Transformation is not the end. Consider this the chrysalis stage -- if all goes well, a beautiful butterfly will emerge :)

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What is transforming... FriendFeed, or the idea of FriendFeed? - Christopher Galtenberg

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Thanks for the update, Paul! - Anne Bouey

THANK YOU! - teh Dork Knight aka Kenny

Fabulous News :) - Susan Beebe

Noticed the "leaked" Facebook UI screenshots and the groups blog post today, and both seem FriendFeed inspired: nice to see Facebook trying to bring the stuff we like about FriendFeed to a larger audience. - Mark Trapp

To Robert Scoble: I told you so ;-) - Jesse Stay

Sounds like they're adding some of FF's features to FaceBook. yay - Internet's Tad from fftogo

Mark - got link? - Susan Beebe

Thanks Paul :) - ashish

Devil is in the details: "couple of longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" == Facebook projects with FriendFeed-like elements == no work on FriendFeed itself. - EricaJoy

Paul, FriendFeed rocks as Gmail does ;) - Orlando Pozo

Thanks for the update, the more you communicate, the less we have to speculate. - Peter Hoffmann

The fact that these improvements are coming to Facebook and not friendfeed will not sway those who like friendfeed but dislike Facebook. - Alex Scoble

Thank you Paul for bringing "FriendFeed goodness to the larger world" -- THAT sounds awesome!! - Susan Beebe

integration with facebook? - Rocco Galluzzo

@Alex Scoble: That's true - Jorge Escobar

Susan: http://blog.facebook.com/blog... and http://mashable.com/2009... - Mark Trapp

I hope out of the chrysalis emerges an infested Kerrigan. That'd be awesome http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki... - Ivan Kirigin

Thanks Mark, much appreciated... I'll check those out - Susan Beebe

+1 Ivan :) - Benjamin Golub

But we knew this was the deal the moment the full details of the purchase of friendfeed by Facebook became public. - Alex Scoble

Yeah, I don't give a crap about Facebook. I want to know about FriendFeed. - Rochelle

Is it the interface people dislike about Facebook or the people they're friends with on Facebook? I can imagine being able to import all your subscribers from FriendFeed and have them in a separate group that doesn't interact with other groups you may have on Facebook. - Cristo

sadly, no one with any power seems to care about FF anymore. - Joe Silence is not dead

I'm glad to hear this. I prefer FriendFeed to Facebook any day of the week. - Nathan Clayton

And the answer for me would be some of both. I have real life friends and family that I don't necessarily want to get into the same discussions with as I do with people here. - Cristo

And there's your answer, Rochelle. friendwho? friendwhat now? Oh, you mean Facebook! (No I mean friendfeed) friendwho? (rinse, lather, repeat) - Alex Scoble

there are some ui differences (and i tend to prefer friendfeed in those cases) but i have friended quite a few FF people in FB and the experience is remarkably similar in many ways. - Jason Wehmhoener

Another big difference is I don't think you get the same FOAF interaction on Facebook as on FriendFeed. - Cristo

yep - Jason Wehmhoener

I hope my FaceBook peeps are ready for the FriendFeed firehose ... past experience would say that they're in for a shock. - Crutis

Thanks for the transparency on the Friendfeed "ghost town" matter Paul. Much appreciated. - Alex Knight

Thanks Paul... bring the special sauce to Facebook: http://blogs.zdnet.com/weblife... - Andrew

I like the "chrysalis stage" analogy - sounds cool.... goes an looks for FF goodness butterfly! - Susan Beebe

Good to know that FriendFeed still has some fight left; hope that translates into a viable and sustainable platform/utility for the masses (though I quite enjoy the close-knit, uber-geek community that it's become). - Christian

I don't like the chrysalis analogy. The butterfly emerges from the chrysalis and buggers off leaving the shell. Of course, it might then also get eaten by a bird. Tweet, tweet. - Mark H

Mark LOL nice, ... haha - Susan Beebe

Note that he didn't say that FriendFeed.com was going away, only that they're diverted to bringing it to a much larger audience - Jesse Stay

The problem is Scoble (Robert) and MG both just sent half of FriendFeed away so most of those that would benefit from this announcement won't even see it. - Jesse Stay

Jesse, I didn't get that from Paul's comment. I read that some of the friendfeed ideas will be going into FB. I like that idea, but I still prefer FF to FB because of the different conversations here that I don't have with friends and family. - Travis Koger from iPhone

Yeah, Paul's statement won't help friendfeed. This will just either give people more reason to go to Facebook or find another service entirely. - Alex Scoble

What Alex and Rochelle said. This sounds like a "we're bringing FF to Facebook" announcement, and I don't give a damn about Facebook. I want to know what's happening HERE. And Cristo, both, but more the interface. I care about the friends I've made here, and I'm connected with many of them now on Facebook as well, but I prefer to interact with them here, because I like it better. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

Travis, he didn't say that - you read that, but he didn't say that. I'm willing to bet FriendFeed.com will not go away. - Jesse Stay

As much as I agree about Scoble and MG driving people away, they have also effectively flush out some comment from the FF team. - Travis Koger from iPhone

Travis, there are better ways of getting the FF team to comment - Jesse Stay

:( I quite liked the caterpillar. - Nick Lothian

I think it's the opposite, the butterfly is becoming this crawling caterpillar :) - Jorge Escobar

Oh I don't think FF will go away, and damn will hope it doesn't either! - Travis Koger from iPhone

What I do see is more Facebook integrated into the FriendFeed environment - I think that's a good thing - Jesse Stay

The critical difference between Facebook and FriendFeed is the social model. With Facebook as it is today, you need to be mutual friends to see each others content. There is a "fan page" model but it is oriented toward "publishing/celebrity" rather than information sharing. FriendFeed has an asymmetric model like Twitter, where you can easily discover someone's content without any "friend" gesture whatsoever, and you can follow without friending. This makes the converation more discoverable, and useful.. - Adina Levin

Agree Adina. - Travis Koger from iPhone

If the integration is bringing public/asymmetric to Facebook, then it will be very useful indeed. If the integration is to add FriendFeed-style service integration into the symmetric/private Facebook model, it will be much less useful - it's more of the same - I'll be able to more easily share updates from youtube or last.fm or delicious to my friend network, but be unable to discover new people and infomation. - Adina Levin

Adina: And unless Facebook goes radically toward that model, it won't suffice for me. I could not care less about their upcoming redesigns. - Christopher A Carr

@Jesse - I can't see any sign that they are working on FriendFeed at all. All the indications are that the FF team is now working on Facebook, and only Facebook. That's great for Facebook, and I'm sure they will do wonderful work there. But don't delude yourself that FriendFeed is going to get anything more than critical fixes, and maybe the occasional thing done in someone's spare time. - Nick Lothian

Butterflies look totally different than caterpillars and they also fly away - Melanie Reed

Crickets chirping... is this site alive?? :) - Christopher Galtenberg

+100 Adina. The things I like best about FriendFeed (easy content/people discovery, FoaF, asymmetrical following and being followed) are completely opposite to Facebook's core model. That's why as much as people keep talking about Facebook adding FF-like features, I don't see the REAL FF core features making it over, because the mindset is different. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

I don't see this announcement as anything new, or as reassuring. We knew from the time of the acquisition that there would be would be some movement of FF capabilities into FB. The real question is whether this means absorption of FF into FB or attracting the FB user base into FF. The comment about "bring[ing] FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" still leaves that question open. - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

+1 everything Alex Scoble has said. Friendwhat? What's a feed? Who uses RSS anymore? We've got PubSubWTFOMGBBQ now! - Mr. Gunn

Agree with Jandy on +100 Adina. - Amy℠

Also, I agree with Jandy and Adina's comments. - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

Nick, Paul just said they're working on other projects right now. That still doesn't mean FriendFeed is going away. I'm not deluding myself at all. I'm telling everyone else they're deluding themselves by assuming it's going away. All the FriendFeed team is still using FriendFeed, and Paul just tried to give us comfort not to worry. For some reason we all don't want to believe him. It's actually kind of amusing. - Jesse Stay

I wonder what the powers that be mean by "FriendFeedy goodness"? Is it understood what WE like about it vs. FB? - Amy℠

Paul - Wishing you all the best as you tend your new butterfly garden :) I'll be here to enjoy them! - Susan Beebe

Jesse: "For some reason we all don't want to believe him." <-- Don't want to believe what? He didn't really say anything. - Christopher A Carr

This is not the news that Friendfeed fans were looking for. - Vezquex: God of FF

The issue isn't belief that they are going to do something. The question is what they are going to do, and whether that will continue the core value of FriendFeed, which is not just information aggregation but discoverability. - Adina Levin

I know more about the "Last Days" and heaven than I know about what's going to happen to FriendFeed as we have come to know it than was given in your rather cryptic answer, Paul. :) And while that may not be a fair comparison (God actually gave details and signs), there is something definitely not forthcoming about your response. A person usually withholds details that affect another... more... - Melanie Reed

Melanie, in other words, Paul works for a technology company in Silicon Valley that doesn't disclose future features, products, and services until they are ready. - Cristo

Hopefully this helps to quiet all of the "friendfeed is dying" talk. Because this thread proves ff is alive and well. - Garin Kilpatrick

@Jesse - I read it differently to you. To me, Paul is saying "We are taking what we were working towards on FriendFeed, and trying to bring that goodness to a bigger audience". No one is claiming they are going to shut down FF. - Nick Lothian

@Jesse - Want to make a bet on the number of new features added to FF before the end of the year? - Nick Lothian

You read my mind. Having seen a few acquisitions, I am wondering if FF staff was told to put the site in bugfix mode. - EricaJoy from IM

Cristo, to deliver some straightforward talk is not about giving away company details. If you have a product that is original and stands on its own, you don't need to refer to it as a "butterfly". Many companies even promote something new and upcoming especially to their loyal user base. It gives a signal. A proper one. It tells your users and future users enough so that they can make an informed decision about what they want to do instead of keeping them on tenderhooks - Melanie Reed

"the chrysalis stage in most butterflies is one in which there is little movement" (via wikipedia) So if you follow that metaphor then eventually FriendFeed will go through a metamorphosis -- that means it's not dead... really how hard can it be to get what he's saying? - Chris Heath

Its pretty hard :) The burning question is if they are putting FF goodness in to the walled gardens that are Facebook or are they bringing FF openness to FB too. I think the people here want the open forums that are FF not the closed ones that are FB. If FB is going hybrid with both walled gardens and open forums that would be OK too. People on FF want open forums... like Twitter and FF... without the crude interface that is Twitter and without the uncertainty that is FF now. - Ed Millard

Facebook is gonna have to rip off much of the privacy to maximize their product in the real-time web world. I am going to assume FF goodness is going to be applied to FB :) *crosses fingers* - Susan Beebe

Just a thought... why does "longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" JUST mean facebook.com? What I get from this is that they are working on a range of things, maybe bringing the FriendFeed sauce to a range of sites, powered by the Facebook back end. Who knows what that means. A FriendFeed service powered by FacebookConnect? Also to...... more... - Johnny Worthington

LMFAO. Johnny++ - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

FB needs to leave the privacy for the walled garden and the inner circle. Their current user base likes that. They just need a second feed that is an open forum and you can talk there without it bleeding in to your inner circle feed. - Ed Millard

Seems like the inner circle is breaking down some now, what with parents and other relatives friending teenagers. I'm guessing the information posted on the walls these days is not as private. Is there a way on FriendFeed to limit what on your wall can be seen by particular people and groups? - Cristo

Yes, but blocking doesn't work so well since you can just use Chrome's Incognito mode to get around it. - Alex Scoble

Translation: if you haven't switche to Facebook yet, you better do it now so you can get a good vanity URL. - David Chartier from iPhone

I don't know what all the fuss is about. But could we have the long answer too, please? - Laura Norvig

Although I'm interested, FB != FF. I don't see how the two mix in a way that makes me feel otherwise. Mixing audiences is not a good thing for me (with a few exceptions) and I know others share the same thought. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Did anyone notice that Robert Scoble didn't comment on this thread? What does this mean? Does it mean Robert Scoble won't exist soon? He must be working on a Monday afternoon, no? ;) - Cristo

Paul, will FF be here in 1 year, 5 years? - Robert Higgins

Robert, will you and I be alive in 5 years? - Cristo

Thanks for the update Paul.. - Chris Myles

Cristo I am funking nobody, I would like Paul to quantify his post. Simple. Will FF be here in 1 year? Will FF be here in 5 years? - Robert Higgins

Robert, I was trying to make the point that he might not know and can't predict what will happen over time. - Cristo

IMO friendfeed shoud attract more general audience... Facebook and twitter are having more general users. Most of the FF users are tech bloggers or those who needs aggregation services... I dont know it's just my feeling or not . but this is my impression on FF. but it's great service.. the features are too good... but we will roam were we meet our friends... thats most of the people are into twitter and FB. - Sarath

Sarath, is there a place you can get away from tech bloggers? :) - Cristo

Ohhhh a perrrttty butterfly, I'm moist with anticipation. - sofarsoShawn

Glad to hear it, Paul. - WorldofHiglet

Cristo: i almost made the same observation an hour or two ago when i first read through this posting and its comments. I was skimming and kept seeing alex, alex, alex... and thinking to myself... where's Robert!?! - Chris Heath

Great news. Thanks! friendfeed team. :D - 'Like' robot (frɐnc)

@Sarath - I have a lot more in common with the people I've met here on FriendFeed than FB or Twitter. Twitter is too hard to search, and FB (and Twitter to a good extent) is driven by the people you know in RL (and unfortunately I don't have nearly as much in common in RL with my family, co-workers and acquaintences as I do with people scattered all over the world who I have met on FF).... more... - Lindsay

I think that in his cryptic statement he means, and a lot of people here agree with me, that more Facebook's going to get more FriendFeedy. Which doesn't mean that FF still isn't dead or doomed. After all, he works for Facebook now. FriendFeed=open forum, Facebook=walled garden, totally opposite master metaphors; but I don't think Zuckerberg gets it, and FF belongs to Zuckerberg now. So this is really about FB; FF's still in limbo. Still, some FF people friended me at FB, and I put them in a special list. - Dennis Jernberg

@FF-team keep on rocking :). BTW I also think it's really cool you guys open-sourced tornado. - alfred westerveld

+1 what alfred said, and good to hear words like "longer-term" & "beautiful" coming straight from The Walrus - keep that vision strong. Hope all goes well for FF team doing some good re-inventing the Octopus Garden of FB - seems you've got your work cut out for you there! It would be so nice if any way to keep a "simple & pure" form of FriendFeed alive (maintained and developed - more open source?) for us to enjoy, but no worries .... you've simultaneously raised the bar and paved the way for the rest! - Dan Freeman

Good luck with the development Paul! Hopefully Zuck has some positive insight. - Garin Kilpatrick

I like butterflies. - Harold Cabezas

Paul: If someone offered me a bag of money to do what you guys did, I would have done exactly the same (probably a lot faster too). However, it would be nice if you spent an hour answering some of the questions here. It might also give people like me a little more faith, in what used to be your primary project; Friendfeed. You made the best platform on the planet - why not use it to let us know what the heck's going on? - Jim Connolly

I'm assuming that Facebook wants to keep their roadmap quiet. I respect that but leaving you community in the dark for a brand that the applications stand for community building is rather ironic. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

SUPER!! I don't Blame ya 1 Darn bit fer Dumpin' FacePOOP Paul!! ;PPP Wait FacePOOP is the Maggot Stage!! ;)) - Billy Warhol

If I can still have all my friends that I have here on friendfeed and share things with them the exact same way, I don't care what "www" address I have to type in to get it. I just hope i don't have to give up any of FF's awesome features! Thanks for the update Paul! - David Cook

The problem is I don't know whether to wrote an app on your API or not because i'm not sure whether it will all be dropped in the "transformation". Imagine speding late nights and weekends coding something up only for it to be dropped suddenly. Need a decent long term picture. Looking at Cliqset. - Steven Livingstone-Pérez

Good point Steven - and one of the reasons many of us are spending so little time developing our networks here. - Jim Connolly

waiting.... - ffcode

ffcode: Good luck with that ;-) - Jim Connolly

So the changes are at Facebook not FriendFeed, Paul? - Kol Tregaskes

And good luck to all of your team - Ozkan Altuner from iPhone

This is a truly disappointing/concerning post and I think it would have been much better to hold comment until something more tangible could be discussed. Thanks for adding to the confusion/drama Paul. - Nicholas Kreidberg

yemezler - MobilAdam

I do care about what happens next, but this is the best news of the day nonetheless ! thanks for giving us updates at last ! and I do hope FF will awaken again ! such a great tool, but letdown since the announcement of the buyback by FB - laetSgo

will I see this post in my "best of week" email from FF? - Kirill Bolgarov

If Facebook is going to get fixed, please remember that it needs fixing politically, not just technically. It needs to give people the option to open their data to Google - for instance. A walled garden where the walls are fixed in place sucks. - Tim Tyler

@Paul, or perhaps an Alien will erupt forth from its stomach? (kidding, kidding!) - j1m

Robert Scoble

Scoble in the shower

September 24, 2008 from email - Comment - Like - Share

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awe for the love of.... - jeneane sessum

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Do. Not. Want. - Glen Mistletoe

.... uh... - Johnny Worthington

HAAAAAAaaaaahhahahahahaha!!! This and the drinking pic NEED to be paired together! - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

For the love of ... oh, man. Now I have to go wash my eyes out! :) - Tim Hoeck

My eyes are burning!!! - Jeff

Why? Why would you do such a thing to the friendfeedosphere...it now looks all warped and raggedy. - Alex Scoble

do...not...want... - Helen Sventitsky

OHHHHHH MY EYES!!!!! *LOL* - Mol, Santa Claws

I feel so dirty. But I can't bear the thought of a shower. -

Reboot. - Russellreno

HIDE!!!!!! - AJ Batac

Seeming a little needy, maybe? - Oldengrey (Jay)

what the frick!? This is why sometimes social networking is just TOO MUCH sharing. - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

oh no, I'm scarred for life! the horror!! - imabonehead

OMG!! Happy wet drunk! Ok so what will be the "story"?! And how did you go from Fenway to Cab to Shower!! LOL - Susan Beebe

Thankfully, blessedly, tame. *brain crashes anyway* - Mo Kargas

At least he's clothed sitting next to me now! - David Recordon

now you have gone to far, Robert. ^^ - ※Fu※

Oh, weren't you bitching about FF stupid posts not making you smarter last week? Well, here ya go. No more bitching. We get to talk about bacon again. - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

Off to have nightmares. :-P -

new Meme? - anna sauce

NO!!! -

Clay Shirkey: the problem is a failure of filters. Indeed. ;-) - Sprague D

*cough* TMI *cough cough* - Steve Isaacs

TMI! - Lindsay

What on earth. I swore shower was some kind of metaphor - why is this taking place? - Shawn Farner

Wha??? - Mike Doeff

anna - yes! we need shower pics of everyone! LOL - Susan Beebe

uhhhhh okay - Alisha

MY EYES!!! @_@ Meme?!? Just a sec... - Ron

Bacon :-) - Robert Scoble

well we know what tomorrow's caption contest will be on Valleywag :-) - Duncan Riley

There have been too many pics of his naked chest this week. -

Yeah, I don't care how many people take pictures of themselves in the shower, I'm not gonna join in that memefest. No thank you. Besides you've already seen my brother in the shower...Remove some weight, adjust the nose a bit and you've got me too...ugh...that's just so wrong. - Alex Scoble

Nooooooooooooo! - WorldofHiglet

the goggles, they do nothing! - Mark Wilson

I don't even want to know. - DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE from fftogo

Wait, a shower meme? Oh, ain't no WAY ya'll are getting a picture of me in the shower. EF NO! - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

"I'm a PC!" - imabonehead

Wow. lol - Jennifer Leggio

Tina: Why not? It will be fun. lol :D - Ron

Hilarious! - Chris Luckhardt

My eyes!!! TMI - Paul W. Swansen

scoble bullying the irish spring - Cee Bee

Whiskey tango foxtrot, Oscar? - Susan A. Kitchens

someone get this man a hairdryer NOW! - thomasrdotorg from twhirl

Tina: I hope they don't do a shower meme. I'm not going to take a picture of myself in the shower, no matter how drunk you get me. *lol* - Mol, Santa Claws

Is this your entry for the bitch face meme? It's a very disappointingly happy bitch face. - Pete Delucchi

Why do you hate America? - Jason Carreira

For the love of God, PLEEZ don't drop the soap. - Dawn

I've been Scobelized. And I'll never be the same. - ComicList

Shower blogging is barely one half step above bowel movement blogging. - Rob Sterling

DISlike! DISlike! - Joel Bennett

Scoble for VP!!! - Sean Kelly

why you do me like this Scoble? - James Neal

*hide* - xero

Click on "best" and you will see all. Oh my!!! - Robert Scoble

lol! you just want to start a shower meme so you can see all the ladies pics, don't you? Nice try mister! :-p - Maria

TMF. Too much flesh :) - Jonathon

eww no FFing in the shower. - rob friedman

Hide - Grant

It's times like these that make me wish real life had a undo button. :) - Grant Bierman

hahaha! wow Bob. - Ryan

rough morning, first my head screams and now this! - Dobromir Hadzhiev

way too much information - Kim Landwehr

I like it - extending to a new audience. You know where the real hits on the Internet lie. Marketing genius. - Steven Livingstone-Pérez from twhirl

can't I have my morning coffee first?sheesh. - You.

Really Naked Conversations - Brendan Cooper from twhirl

With all that flyin' around, Twittering, and Friendfeeding, he's gotta need 3 or 4 showers a day. The question is ..... Which soap is he plugging ? :) - Charlie Anzman

I hope it's lever 2000 messing with Valleywag :) - Anthony Farrior

Here's the link to the Valleywag site with this photo! ha, ha! http://friendfeed.com/e... - Susan Beebe

Way too much information!! - Alex Hammer

I knew I started the topless meme eight months ago. - Robert Scoble

Just with a bit of a time delay. - Internet's Tad

You're forever the innovator! - jcunwired

topless meme!! - anna sauce

Eww. Where's the "don't like" link? ;-) - Brent Logan

I always thought Robert was more a bath man. I stand corrected. - Derrick

Gah! How did this pop up again? - WorldofHiglet

GIGGITY GIGGITY. - Akiva Moskovitz

Man I didn't need to think of that . gag! - Allan Bunt

The one time I want the BSOD. - Danny Minick

we all such idiots :-) - N.G. Gordon - RadarSync

aahaha. - Gökmen Karasu

please dont let there be a sequel to this... - carol alvarez

This picture when viral. - Keven

TWiT Conversations: Leo Laporte

Live now: The Gillmor Gang from the Facebook Press Conference. Discuss here...

April 27 - Comment - Like - Share

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John McCrea of Plaxo: "what you're going to see today is nothing short of the birth of the social web." - Leo Laporte

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If this is the birth of the social web, the gestation period has been huge - Gabe

look, it's the self appointed next Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, live! - Gabe

wondering when the api tiered license fees will happen - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Is anyone from FriendFeed in the room at Facebook? - Ken Sheppardson

I saw 3 folks from Seesmic there - make sense since we have a facebook app - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Zuckerberg has certainly expanded his strategic vision:-) - Francine Hardaway

Dave Morin, Facebook http://beta.friendfeed.com/davemor... - Ken Sheppardson

Will my mom understand this? - Ken Sheppardson

looks like Friendfeed - Matthew

Leo, Dave Morin's title is: Senior Platform Manager - Gabe

"Comment, Like, and do all the things you're used to doing on the Facebook site." - Ken Sheppardson

+1 Ken Sheppardson, good question - Kim Landwehr

Dave Morin: "Everyone can publish into the stream - you can create your own 'view' of the stream" - we are all becoming broadcasters. Does that impact the quality of conversation - interaction - connection? - Debi Jones

going to have to start charing Chris M. a nickel every time he uses "open" to describe private meetings - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Will they at some point start referring to themselves as Comcast rather than Plaxo? - Ken Sheppardson

This at least is an open event - thanks to Facebook for letting us stream it - Leo Laporte

Betcha Twitter isn't there - Leo Laporte

Definitely no twitter lol - Gary Prechtel

good point Leo - it is more open then ever before as a PR event - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Yeah, nice of them to green light Robert to stream - Ken Sheppardson

This is awesome so much appreciated - Gary Prechtel

perhaps I'm a bit of a social media snob, but isn't this just the actualization of what most people knew would happen eventually? - Gabe

Gabe: yeah, it's another piece of the puzzle - Ken Sheppardson

Yes, but it's a big deal that the walled gardens are starting to disappear. - Albert Willis

Gabe, what's exciting is the stuff behind the scenes that enable 3rd party devs access to the info. But what remains to be seen is how open is "open" and in which direction can the information flow. - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Just nice to watch the progression up close - Gary Prechtel

Would an open event have symmetry in discussion? Is Facebook participating in this room? Fielding questions from here? Not sure how this group live commenting idea works. - Debi Jones

Still not re-activating my Comcast Plaxo account - Leo Laporte

I think they're happy to be "open" to they extent they can completely control the information or partner with folks who subscribe to their worldview. - Ken Sheppardson

Plaxo's now inside the wall. - Ken Sheppardson

Percent of my Facebook friend on Plaxo: 0 - Gabe

Mike Taylor: Is Loic there? I think he should be up there talking about Seesmic Desktop integration, much more interesting - Gabe

It may be unfair, but when I hear Plaxo my mind still translates to Spamxo. Their original trust violation was so egregious not sure I would choose to trust them ever again. - Debi Jones

Yes, Loic is there - I think he is presenting something but not sure - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

"two committed partners who share the vision" - Ken Sheppardson

Scoble vision - Matthew

I still dislike Plaxo. So many strangers on there want to connect. - Francine Hardaway

Why should all roads lead to Facebook? or through Facebook? - Debi Jones

They don't; this is just the demo. Activity Streams is an open standard that any site can implement. - Albert Willis

Debi Jones, I don't think its about where all the roads are going, its about eliminating dead ends - Gabe

yet another air app. do I need to be excited aboutthis? - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

I'm sure Facebook intends to be a hub. Can't see a fully meshed network of activitystrea.ms, can y'all? - Ken Sheppardson

Not about the Adobe AIR app; the fact you can access your Facebook stream from a desktop client. - Albert Willis

well, currently the social web was a bunch of change points where you had to change from your car to a bus and then sometimes change buses. Oh and sometimes it was a one way trip. Now they are trying to make it so that Facebook is the central goto place for all the Social data. - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I have a client it's called Firefox :D - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

As I'm in control here - it is important to me to send some updates to some people not all updates to all of my social graph. Important to maintain the efficiency and integrity of micro community memberships. - Debi Jones

RIght, but you can't have your Twitter stream in the same window as your Facebook stream, for example. - Albert Willis

OMG! Thats what I call incredible team. Adobe, Plaxo, Facebook, Seesmic, Scoble, oh god. - Rafael

"Per the Developer Terms of Service, you may not cache any user data for more than 24 hours, with the exception of information that is explicitly "storable indefinitely." Only the following parameters are storable indefinitely; all other information must be requested from Facebook each time. " -- http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index... - Ken Sheppardson

Is the new Seesmic with FB out yet? I got an update this morning but no FB integration - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

NOt yet, but it's coming soon. - Albert Willis

k I'm on Team Seesmic so I assume I'll get an email - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

Ken Sheppardson: Any word on api call limits that will hamper desktop apps like with tweet deck? - Gabe

It will be released very soon - they are finishing some user-data flow issues and doing final QA - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

what will the opening of FB mean for FF users? good stuff? - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

ken - yes, there is a *lot* of queries just to get data items - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Gabe - Don't know. I'm just checking out http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index... - Ken Sheppardson

Seesmic desktop, built on AIR won't do it for me, far too much of a memory hog/leaker. - kevin

Thanks for adding the TOS details Ken. Good catch! - Debi Jones

kevin - the major memory leak that was an adobe issue has been fixed - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I agree with kevin - Rafael

ugh all this for a app? - John Moore

so I guess twitter and facebook arent competitors anymore? - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

Not anymore - Francine Hardaway

To any of the FriendFeed staff that might be here, is this a +, -, or a neutral for you? Is Facebook drinking your milkshake, or will this just open your service up to a bigger audience? - Gabe

Sure they are. And of course they're not. ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

John, they are showing how we, as a normal 3rd party dev, were able to build this using the new api. - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

good Q Gabe - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

Thats good. Social Web will increase quality - Rafael

Browser based solutions are definitely more mobile friendly than AIR apps. - Debi Jones

They've never really been competing, though Facebook is becoming more Twitter-like all of the time. - Albert Willis

Right Gabe, would like to hear FF reaction. - Debi Jones

Air/Sliverlight client demos? - Ken Sheppardson

I think FB has become more Friend Feed like, but that's just me - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

I'm a pc hausdhuash - Rafael

go Scoble :D - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

Installation of desktop apps just isn't happening, AIR may have been fixed, but I move machine to machine too much, need the web where settings mostly follow me. - kevin

I think all the features are well understood. Honestly, nobody's going to be doing anything revolutionary in this space, it's just a matter of connecting lots of existing dots and filling out feature sets. - Ken Sheppardson

I wouldn't doubt that FriendFeed will support the Activity Streams API. - Albert Willis

developers developers decelopers! - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

Okay I missed the Intro - who are these guys? - Debi Jones

I like seesmic but now I'm trying DestroyTwitter, also a great app http://beta.friendfeed.com/wim66... - Willem (@wim66) ☠

Debi: This is Microsoft. - Ken Sheppardson

aka Facebook investor. - Ken Sheppardson

This could be a competitive advantage for FF - since Twitter never will support it. - Leo Laporte

OK they are really opening up more than they were before. - John Moore

Thanks Leo I see the lower third when I switched over the the video tab. - Debi Jones

Leo, I wouldn't say never. Never is a long time. ;-) - Albert Willis

once FF makes seeing all of my twitter friends activity available to me in 1-2 easy steps I'll abandon Twitter aps for good anyhow - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

So I'm sitting here looking at the pop-up to link my Plaxo <-> Facebook accounts, trying to think through all the implications of connecting the two network. Will my mom get this? No. - Ken Sheppardson

I don't think it's prudent to design for mom in the long run - Leo Laporte

Unless it's just positioned to her as "share everything with everybody" - Ken Sheppardson

facebook's control over "my data" and Plaxo's spam rep scare me - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

Leo: Probably true... but that was sorta code for "I really don't get this but don't want to admit it" ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

[ ] Automatically connect me with my Facebook friends who already use Plaxo - Ken Sheppardson

I wondering if the majority of facebook users want to connect with everything or if they like it closed - Kim Landwehr

[ ] Share my Facebook Wall Stories (like photos, links, and videos) with my Plaxo Friends - Ken Sheppardson

[ ] Update my Plaxo status when I change my Facebook status - Ken Sheppardson

This is why people hate Microsoft - they're like your uncool uncle trying to be cool - Leo Laporte

ina creepy way eh Leo? - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

Leo--exactly. - Albert Willis

Right - I'm getting the impression here that I'm in control so long as 1)Facebook owns all my data, 2)Plaxo owns all my contacts and 3)Microsoft owns my desktop and by extension my mobile device. Cool - got it thnx. - Debi Jones

so are you saying Microsoft is the 6th beer of a 6 pack. - Gary Prechtel

I have three checkboxes... and I have to be able to visualize my entire social graph on two services to decide if I want them linked. - Ken Sheppardson

scoble is sheilding his mac in a father/daughter protective manner - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

he's trying too hard to be amusing - Kim Landwehr

and failing - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

My question is what they plan to do with all of this and mobile. - Mike Nayyar

You can tell he's an MSer, a finely honed sense of self deprication, tempered with an air of loathing - Gabe

what is silverlight's performance on OS X compared to Flash? - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

scoble needs a shave - patrick

LOL Gabe - sorry I couldn't resist. - Debi Jones

Debi--it's not quite that bad. Activity Streams is open; Facebook's API is proprietary to them. But eventually, it'll all be on open standards. - Albert Willis

This open id announcement will be big. - Albert Willis

Anyone figure out where Scoble is commenting? - Gabe

OpenID? That exists again? - Mike Nayyar

Really wish I could take off my snark colored glasses and see if this is important. - Ken Sheppardson

Is Steve there? - Francine Hardaway

It never stopped existing and now Facebook will be a relaying party, more than likely. - Albert Willis

this will be cool only if they let me use my existing OpenID to log into Facebook - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Thanks for the positive encouragement Albert - now can you show me where I can get tool for deep packet inspection of Facebook? - Debi Jones

Mike: how so? - Markus Kobler

Gunny, Mac netflix streaming is via silverlight. It works very well. - John Moore

Y'know, at the individual level, I have no doubt everyone in the room there wants to do The Right Thing. - Ken Sheppardson

The good news, if you don't trust Facebook, you don't have to use them. - Albert Willis

Markus - I have OpenID already thru ClaimID and my own website - can I use that to associate with my Facebook ID - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Ken, I think it's about 50% more important than you think it is, and 50% less important than those in the video think it is... - Gabe

Ken, I jumped in and integrated Plaxo & FB, butI can't see the value add in doing that. I'm now I'm nervous to have another channel where I share my stuff to others. Plus, I could care less about my Plaxo network. - Andre P. Siregar

Andre - Agreed, that's the main problem I have with that announcement. Great, Facebook links to something I don't care about! - Mike Nayyar

Gabe: Sounds like a reasonable compromise. :-) - Ken Sheppardson

The built-in cam and mic on scobles mac are working really well for this - John Moore

So I can read my gmail on FB? Or is it like the Twitter gadget and I can see FB on gmail - Francine Hardaway

Question: How many people here let social sites import your email contacts automagically? - Debi Jones

Your Gmail can authenticate you on Facebook. - Albert Willis

Debi - Not me, at all. - Mike Nayyar

I used the search my gmail contacts for Friend Feed - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

its seth rogan - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

This is an interesting approach by FB, they offer OpenID support as a way to pacify people who realize they could crush OpenID if they decided to really push FB Connect - Gabe

Gunny - I thought the exact same thing! LOL - Mike Nayyar

did anyone else lose audio? or just me? - patrick

Unless you are a Plaxo member I am not sure how this helps unless I missed something - Kim Landwehr

Mike: I can understand using FB as your OpenID account but not sure about the other way around. How secure or what sort of uptime does ClaimID provide? - Markus Kobler

lol don't let Seth hear you say that I think this guys got at least 50 pounds on him - Gary Prechtel

Does this push OpenID over the top, and help with widespread adoption? - Mike Nayyar

I think for many people, myself included, there is a huge trust issue with Facebook that I don't foresee them overcoming. It stems from rumblings about the connections that their founders may have and the recent uproar over content ownership. - Gregg Scott

I want some Gary's wine. - John Moore

Mike: I think it just might Mike, what has more users on the internet than Facebook? - Colin

This is awesome btw Leo, never seen anything like this on the internet! - Colin

yes, the streaming is great. Can't wait to see more of it. - Matthew

I have a Plaxo acct and forgot all about it :D - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

Seems overblown to me. Don't let Gilmor say how awesome this is. - John Moore

I still feel like this is sort of a minor annoucement. Facebook is kind of OpenID now! You can do all sorts of wacky things with connecting with other websites! You have some desktop apps to view stuff! - Mike Nayyar

I love it, Scoble leaves his lifeline to the world high and dry for 15 min while he schmoozes - Gabe

Those are some well constructed headphones to hole Leo's iPhone - Mike Nayyar

Got love live feed - Kim Landwehr

http://www.plaxo.com/profile... my rection to this announcement - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

Leo: Hang in there :-) - Ken Sheppardson

Leo would be awesome to have reactions from Twitter and FF to fill this space - You're doing great in a tough situation with the fill time. - Debi Jones

Mike: If it is as open as it should be, this announcement will make me adopt openID and start developing websites with it. So, a big announcement to me. - Colin

It doesn't impress me much - Kim Landwehr

Plaxo.. yuck! - Rob

Not so much going after Twitter, per se, but setting themselves up to the the central hub for the social web - Ken Sheppardson

Colin: Still, I'm underwhelmed by it all. I want to see something really revolutionary from this announcement. - Mike Nayyar

it's interesting to see if Facebook API is as open and flexible as what Twitter's API was in it's early days - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

FriendFeed's going to do that natively, once they turn on realtime filters - Ken Sheppardson

i.e. track - Ken Sheppardson

Facebook is like a rolodex, letting you access people's information easily. Twitter is like a personal ham radio, everyone blasting out to the ether. - Mike Nayyar

I don't think the rest of it was as exciting, but we'll have to see what all developers can make with it now. Maybe it'll spawn a few new great services. - Colin

Heck, Facebook just demo's what... three clients build on this new API? That's a lesson they've taken directly from Twitter. - Ken Sheppardson

This is a blow to Twitter and FriendFeed. Mostly to FF, because at least Twitter has the 140-char simplicity. Facebook now has the mass and the ability to be the hub just like FriendFeed - Andre P. Siregar

I can't help but wonder what Comcast (Plaxo's parent) is thinking as they watch all this. - Ken Sheppardson

We'll be up on Gillmor Gang in a few minutes. Stay tuned! - Robert Scoble

I'd be more interested in seeing a comparison between the friendfeed API and facebook API... - Adnan

Adnan, I agree, it is going to come down to who has the bigger hose ;) - Gabe

Well, that's a good point Leo, we still haven't seen for sure what personal info the API allows and if Facebook will allow that information to be shared - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Andre: If I were FriendFeed, I would definitely be worried right now. Linking and aggregating services is the bread and butter of this service. - Mike Nayyar

And who's firehose is truly open. - Colin

It's meta-data + granular privacy controls for facebook. - Cliff Gerrish

""Per the Developer Terms of Service, you may not cache any user data for more than 24 hours, with the exception of information that is explicitly "storable indefinitely." Only the following parameters are storable indefinitely; all other information must be requested from Facebook each time. " - Ken Sheppardson

A lot of that extra meta data is private to those outside of the friends' private networks. - rob friedman

http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index... - Ken Sheppardson

No MySpace? They're doing some cool stuff wit Activity Streams too. And, erm FriendFeed ;) - Steven Livingstone-Pérez

I've given up Facebook and focused on Twitter and FriendFeed. Why? Because FB requires me to manage a spammy inbox of friend requests from strangers. Not to mention requiring me to figure out a response to being hit by a sheep. It's worse than email inboxes for me. - Debi Jones

Ken - so it looks like that data is clearly in the no-share silo - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

We're ready. - Robert Scoble

Leo, the facebook open API wiki via Ken Sheppardson: http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index... - Gabe

Robert - make me care about this annoucement. - Mike Nayyar

I'd like to see if Twitter is going to partner with anyone to an answer of Facebook partnering with Microsoft. - VariXx

Also see Paul Buchheit's comments http://beta.friendfeed.com/paul... - Ken Sheppardson

Mike: OK, we'll do that on air. - Robert Scoble

VariXx - Well, they took Adobe, too, so the number of partners got smaller. How about Google? - Mike Nayyar

The Facebook user is different than the typical Twitter user and they use the respective services quite differently. - Gregg Scott

Robert - yipee! - Mike Nayyar

I am wondering why we need yet another set of Activity Stream Data format standard when friendfeed is already offering leveraging RSS and Media RSS. - Edwin Khodabakchian

Looks like Leo is running mission control for NASA ;p - rob friedman

::yawn:: i think i just made history. lol - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

Gregg - Exactly. There are completely different attitudes to using Facebook and Twitter, and the two communities - Mike Nayyar

Mike Nayyar: That's what I was hinting. I hope it goes that way, it might get bloody to see those two names go against Google supporting it. Great things would come for the users though I'd imagine. - VariXx

Most of the audience I want to reach is on myspace and twitter. I have no indication they are on spacebook LOL facebook :P - John Moore

More on the underlying activity stream protocols they were discussing today: http://activitystrea.ms/ - Ken Sheppardson

Yes, there are so few people on Facebook. What is it 200 Million? - Cliff Gerrish

Activitystrea.ms Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group... - Ken Sheppardson

Leo: Has steve done an open yet? :-) - Ken Sheppardson

Actually Gregg and Mike I think of FB and Twitter as communities of communities analogous to network of networks. - Debi Jones

The user privacy settings need to be respected no matter what level FB allows others to be promiscuous. - coldbrew

Activitystrea.ms is a great resource - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Chaos! - Mike Nayyar

good question, leo. what's so important about this announcement? - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

Dude. It's not Laporte Gang - Ken Sheppardson

:-) - Ken Sheppardson

Ken just called out Leo. Ouch. Just got served. - Mike Nayyar

;-) - Ken Sheppardson

I'd like to hear Chris's thoughts on what this means for the previously tenuous relationship between FB Connect and OpenID - Gabe

I like the space invaders paint job on the wall :) - rob friedman

Oh, they're drinking wine. Tongues are going to be loosened. Ask them if they're bringing it to Twitter! - Mike Nayyar

Generations of Geeks trying to get thier stuff to work. - Matthew

nice shirt robert :) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

+1 open internets on the shirt Robert - Matthew

I knew tha twould make Steve feel old. - Francine Hardaway

Take three! - Mike Nayyar

oh yeah... "we'll" just cut it together - Leo Laporte

:) - rob friedman

Royal we? - Ken Sheppardson

Hang in there Leo - I actually like the trials and tribulations of liveness. Make it c - Debi Jones

Is it true that there are "proprietary" pieces to the FB implementation of the Activity Stream API? - coldbrew

I was thinking of you when Steve said that Leo.. - Colin

Come on Leo, you know you run a professional outfit there - Mike Nayyar

ah, 1:30am. - Jamie

Will the same search engine indexing rules apply to the activity streams? - Mike Nayyar

Robert, would you please ask Dave what kind of specific API call limits we'll see. Is this an area where they are going to be aggressive against Twitter by opening up huge amounts of data? - Gabe

Gabe ++ - Mike Nayyar

This is all very much a "stream", as the TOS (link above) limit your cacheing to 24hrs. - Ken Sheppardson

LOL, Leo. You're doing a kick ass job anyway. - John Moore

what will this mean for friendfeed? - Christopher Harris

Lol, I don't think FaceBook will have a limit at first, they will blow Twitter out of the water. - rob friedman

There are zero parameters that developers are allowed to store Ken? - Debi Jones

is Facebook trying to become the "safe" version of Twitter? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Isn't there still a good deal of public data that a search engine could be built from? - Colin

What about public - everyone streams? Will those print to the internet? - Cliff Gerrish

Colin: No, this is allowing access at the user level, not opening up a public stream. - Ken Sheppardson

Mike: No predators here, nope! But, hopefully, no SEO or Facebook marketing experts either! :) - Mike Nayyar

its not about it being safe or not. they have the social graph. its about bringing as much of the twitter metaphor across to them as possible - Jamie

Cliff: Apparently not, from what I've inferred... - Mike Nayyar

FaceBook wants to buy a new UI by having someone else make it first and hit mass. - rob friedman

?? - Jamie

rob: crowd sourcing FB v2 ? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Mike, I think the granular privacy is very important. But, the full open mode is needed to round out the set. - Cliff Gerrish

Ken: But even at a user level, isn't there still many profiles I as a user can see? You could just make dummy users right? - Colin

I guess Facebook are noticing the huge amount of innovation around Twitter's open API and wanting a piece of developer's attention. - Jalada

Gabe: I'll ask that. - Robert Scoble

i think its more fundamental than that jalada - they dont want their users to leave. - Jamie

Well the new user interface at least. They just opened up the Home page, what else would they be doing? Vignette, or Google Start Page, etc. Widgets. - rob friedman

Colin: In the end, the philosophy surrounding the last Facebook TOS dust-up is still in place... or is it... Robert? - Ken Sheppardson

Ken: no. - Robert Scoble

I'd like both a public and a private stream -- we should be able to scope that... - Cliff Gerrish

When did Facebook change their tune? - Ken Sheppardson

Great question, Ken - Debi Jones

today? - Ken Sheppardson

I think Jamie hit it dead on, with the explosive Twitter growth, this is Facebook's first move to fend off the exodus of more savvy users - Mike Nayyar

Wish I could "like" individual comments here. Hello FF feedback! :-) - Debi Jones

It is still not as useful to me as twitter. And twitter is only slightly useful. - John Moore

Twitter is still tiny compared to Facebook. - Cliff Gerrish

So I'm allowed to pull out, reproduce, and redistribute any content I can technically pull out of Facebook using these new APIs? - Ken Sheppardson

agree cliff but twitter has momentum - Jamie

Well there you have it. Dave Morin confirms that this is a bullshit announcement. - Leo Laporte

For 24 hours :) - rob friedman

Thanks Robert - Gabe

It's just another way to manage facebook content. - Leo Laporte

Cliff - tiny, but year over year growth, plus recent publicity and evangelism by celebrities and the like means it's got some deadly potentional, especially when they rejected the Facebook bid - Mike Nayyar

Kshep -- you can share your stuff, but should you be able to share other people's stuff? - Cliff Gerrish

Leo: Absolutely. Facebook wants their own Tweetdeck and Seesmic to build traffic. - Ken Sheppardson

something tells me this is more exciting for developer right now, then end user at this time - Kim Landwehr

Cliff: That's for me and my friends to decide, not Facebook. - Ken Sheppardson

Kim - definitely. It will be a while before this makes a dent into our daily lives, and who knows where we will be when that time rolls around. - Mike Nayyar

Kim: Definitely. - Colin

But Leo - how do you really feel? Nice! - Debi Jones

Kshep - exactly, but you and your friends set those access controls by persona (as Messina is saying) - Cliff Gerrish

Just like Robert said, I use Twitter, FB, FF and Tumblr for different audiences. - Paul Maez

This dude has never heard of FriendFeed and rooms. Join up, dude! - Mike Nayyar

Facebook is for srtaying in contact with people I wengt to high school with. Twitter is where I get new people in my audience. - John Moore

I think what he just said is the most important thing that has been said all day about this. I'm hopeful they can manage those privacy/audience concerns - Gabe

John Moore - and have much better, much more focused conversations. Oh, wait, that's FriendFeed. My bad! - Mike Nayyar

Mike: You'd be surprised how quickly things can be built on good systems. (I hope Facebook's API is just that) - Colin

Steve wants track from Facebook and that's not what this is about. - Albert Willis

If Twitter/Facebook truly want to be "dialtone" they have to remove themselves from the transaction. AT&T isn't a party to the intellectual property transactions over their network. - Ken Sheppardson

It should be Albert - Gabe

steve wants a firehose - Jamie

Using different sites for different groups of people is OK, but what's the point if you can update one site with your info, and let the data get pushed to where the audience for the information is? - rob friedman

Ken - well, not as of yet. Remember, they did hand over all of that info to DoD... - Mike Nayyar

Kshep, where do the access controls reside? - Cliff Gerrish

this is about taking the best stuff from twitter/ff and bringing it to facebooks model of social graph intertwined with dynamic privacy - Jamie

twitter wins - Leo Laporte

This seems all so complicated! - Edwin Khodabakchian

I don't disagree, but we aren't there yet. Neither is Facebook. - Albert Willis

Cliff: They need to reside with the users. I establish the connection, tunneled over the network, and decide who's in the room on each end. - Ken Sheppardson

DRM, watermarking, whatever - Ken Sheppardson

Edwin: Hopefully what developers create with it is not. (It shouldn't be) - Colin

Not TOS from the intermediary - Ken Sheppardson

OH DONT LET THE STREAMS CROSS! - rob friedman

Leo, the first one to do the fire hose right will win - Gabe

But Ken, you don't own the permissions your friends set on their streams. - Cliff Gerrish

Cliff what does "own the permissions" mean? - Ken Sheppardson

They are in the sense that carriers are looking to impose transaction limits via bandwidth caps. - Altan Khendup

bah -- Leo's right. This is nothing. - John Moore

Its going to be interesting, to see what comes out of this and if the main Facebook users like it or if they will rebel - Kim Landwehr

Well at least there's still a hope for Friendfeed - Leo Laporte

Leo - We can only hope, we can only hope. - Mike Nayyar

this is industry hype - and one of the reasons I usually stay away from these meetings. You get caught in the reality distortion field. - Leo Laporte

Cliff they set their streams if they understand there are settings to manage other than FB defined defaults. - Debi Jones

Twitter already has the firehose; it's a matter of when they decide to open it up to everyone. - Albert Willis

not sure about others, but I see a lot of activity on facebook since the new design. my updates get way more comments/likes than retweets on twitter - Jamie

Leo, hype makes these companies money. - rob friedman

+1 Jamie - Stanislas Jourdan

Scoble hasn't gotten much in edgewise here - Mike Nayyar

I'd like to hear if we'll see mapped domains such as facebook.com/kevinrose for anyone's public profiles other than the web elite - Gabe

the issue is not to control who receives the info, but rather to give the markers so users can pick-n-choose that info (responding to what Chris M. was saying) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

albert, facebook have a firehose too. check out the lexicon stuff. their stuff is incredibly powerful as they overlay interests/demographics on top of it. - Jamie

Debi, someone needs to hold the settings -- could be an openID provider (Facebook) - or your blog. - Cliff Gerrish

HA! no limit - rob friedman

Cliff: I think that has to be metadata on the content, not something managed by the pipe. - Ken Sheppardson

No API limits could be a definite win for this platform - Mike Nayyar

I don't use Facebook much, really just to keep in touch with family an old college mates, can I follow someone who doesn't follow me? - Kim Landwehr

There it is, Thanks again Robert... Definitely a Facebook win! - Gabe

Kim - through the use of pages for public figures, but not beyond that - Mike Nayyar

That would explain @loic earlier saying he was getting updates every 20 seconds on his Seesmic Desktop. - Jalada

Kshep, where is the metadata attached, and based on what profile -- kept where? - Cliff Gerrish

Im sorry but I think Chris Messina is completely selling out. - Leo Laporte

Cliff: Part of the Atom payload - Ken Sheppardson

I guess I meant that there's not the concept of a public feed of everyone's public stuff on Facebook, because that's not how people currently use Facebook. - Albert Willis

there's the dialtone thing again - Steve Hampton

FriendFeed gets my Twitter updates faster than any Twitter Client. - rob friedman

Nope, Chris is the smartest guy in the room. - Albert Willis

fight fight - Jamie

SLAM - Ken Sheppardson

Agreed Cliff - my point is that most users of FB are likely unaware of these announcements and how they impact those settings and the need to re- examine them from time to time. - Debi Jones

Ouch Leo, lol, nice. - Colin

damn - coldbrew

*Leo tosses in the molotov* - Micah Wittman

Wow - Eevee

morin is stunned - Jamie

Leo that was Hot! - Debi Jones

ok then FF is of more use to me - Kim Landwehr

Not completely open? allowing custom URL? - rob friedman

What happened to the hug fest happy times?! - Mike Nayyar

Look at Steve giggling lol - Colin

Unprecedented for them, not unprecedented for the social space! - Mike Nayyar

yup - Ken Sheppardson

they have the firehose but there is no way to expose it given the privacy the site is built on - Jamie

That wine is making these guys a little too heady and caught up with what they're accomplishing - Mike Nayyar

Leo - You just hit the nail on the head... it's nothing more than allowing for 3rd party apps...so what - Kevin Whalen

LET HIM ANSWER, ROBERT - Ken Sheppardson

jeez - Ken Sheppardson

Let me run my own FaceBook which can talk to your FaceBook. and we can have hosted FaceBooks, like we have email. - rob friedman

Leo not to impressed is he - Kim Landwehr

this is just got interesting - Giancarlo Caparo

They aren't going to give a real answer. - John Moore

Way to make em' think Leo. - Colin

Kim - can we get a lolcat style picture of a Leo looking dissatisfied? - Mike Nayyar

This did just get interesting. - Derek Shanahan

Robert: Can you ask Dave... How long until I can push my entire Facebook stream to FriendFeed? - Ken Sheppardson

My content. - Ken Sheppardson

People forget how much 'education' the typical Facebook user needs. - Derek Shanahan

++Ken - Gabe

The issue of public/private granular control of messaging and scoping to persona -- that's the enterprise model. - Cliff Gerrish

Ask him the question again Leo? - Debi Jones

I think it's interesting that FB misses the boat as bad as they do with that obvious knowledge. FB has metadata in spades! twitter's handle on that is limited severely. - Sheryl

"Oh don't like the FB webpage?... Try one of these AIR-ware clients. or something to put a shine on your Data." Scoble, what about your plain blog theme... Don't people just want the data? - rob friedman

Robert: Please ask Dave when I can import my stream of updates/pics/notes from Facebook into FriendFeed. - Ken Sheppardson

I think the content is on their servers ;) - coldbrew

Scoble has a great question there - Mike Nayyar

+1 Ken pushing FB to FF - Micah Wittman

tell them i got dibbs on facebook.com/giancarlo - Giancarlo Caparo

+1 Ken - Kevin Whalen

There's the 24hr cache limit - Ken Sheppardson

Robert: Please ask Dave when I can import my stream of updates/pics/notes from Facebook into FriendFeed. - Ken Sheppardson

laughing at Scoble saying it's too much for him on the live stream. tooo much? LOL - Karoli

Who would ever need more than 24K/1000 hrs of data? - Micah Wittman

I can only store 24 hours of data? Well that's not good... - Colin

When can I take my friends contact information and export it to an address book to sync to my phone? Don't say Palm Pre! - Mike Nayyar

The reason for no limit API is to kneecap twitter. - rob friedman

If they produced the firehouse that both Steve and Leo asked for I could push to FF or anywhere else. Add context to a collection of streams and produce degrees of magnitude value laden content. - Debi Jones

There are tons of uses for storing data for more than 24 hours, if I could store a user's data for more than 24 hours I could make a search engine to put it together and run through it. - Colin

go leo! - Jim Mahon

what if they charged for syncing data or backing it up locally? Would you pay $20? - coldbrew

Darn, not a fan of that 24 hours. - Colin

Ken: the answer is: today. - Robert Scoble

Ken: Plaxo is doing just that, I believe. - Robert Scoble

Or people would just end up using a public profile and not care, know or notice. - rob friedman

Robert: They'll only let me use the data for 24hrs - Ken Sheppardson

I love that no one is letting him off the hook and asking the TOUGH questions. - Sheryl

So is the supposition that Facebook users are dummies? - Mike Nayyar

Wow Leo. Good stuff. - Albert Willis

wow, protecting the users? we need big bro to protect us? - Karoli

Translation: When they're bigger than Twitter. - Ken Sheppardson

oh boy, this friendfeed thing really sux. the real time craps out everytime the app loses focus - vondutch

Ken, don't you like renting your own data back from where you stored it? - rob friedman

no mike - but they bought into facebook on a certain level. you cant just change the operation - Jamie

Ken - bigger than Twitter, and people are idiots - Mike Nayyar

Isn't my data my data? - Karoli

Tangible number? What number? - Micah Wittman

Are they going to be developing their own Facebook clients? - Tweet Feeds

Chris of the open standards activity? - Ken Sheppardson

Wow, no answer like no answer! - Mike Nayyar

How does desktop application adoption reflective of user readiness - John Moore

Karoli: Apparently not. - Colin

Leo say's, Run don't Jog. - rob friedman

Hint: If you pay for the storage space, you get to keep your data. - coldbrew

Bear Hug Camp for one camper :) - Micah Wittman

no according to a lot of TOS your data once you put it on a site belong to that site and not you - Kim Landwehr

Nah, Steve, this was a boring day. - Mike Nayyar

Coldbrew: But you'd be violating their API terms of use. - Colin

it's important. just not important enough. - Karoli

Thanks, Leo - Ken Sheppardson

:) - rob friedman

The OpenID announcements -- were very important. - Cliff Gerrish

Yeah. There's always the next thing. Someone will do it. - coldbrew

That rocked Leo! - Colin

Great Show Leo, Steve, Robert - Matthew

Thanks again Leo. I feel all insidery now. - Mike Nayyar

damn. short episode - Jamie

yes, thanks for enabling us to actually see this live - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Ghost Light!! - Micah Wittman

No way! They called this a tea party? Wish I'd known that earlier. - Debi Jones

Now they go work on the next step of the open standard. - Ken Sheppardson

Lame annoucement. - Mike Nayyar

Leo--nice Arrington impersonation. - Albert Willis

The 24 limit on cacheing is the anchor chain. - Ken Sheppardson

They are now deciding the future of the internet without us watching ;) - Tweet Feeds

Leo - an API with no limits. - Cliff Gerrish

How long did the episode last? I tuned in at 20 past. - Daniel Rowley

waste of your day off - Jim Mahon

Really good show. - Sprague D

Cliff: There's a 24hr limit - Ken Sheppardson

Leo, my mom is on facebook, and she can't spell API - Mike Nayyar

Seesmic has reinvented their business in streams management, either from Twitter or Facebook. It may be a big player. - Jérôme Flipo

i forgot today was monday - Giancarlo Caparo

I liked that Leo pushed hard for more openness! - Adnan

Leo, I think all they did was put the pressure on twitter to open up the fire hose - Gabe

API based on open standards and using OpenID. That's pretty big. - Albert Willis

an API where all the useful data you can store for 24hrs max - that's not useful for anything except browsing users - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Having an API is not being open - Tweet Feeds

Me too Adnan - Debi Jones

This is step one. They will do more, but they want to be thoughtful of controlling their ability to generate revenue from the platform. - coldbrew

Ken, works for real time. And more history, that'll happen. - Cliff Gerrish

Facebook needs to leverage that contact information - Mike Nayyar

The 24hrs limit with increase. For sure. - Jérôme Flipo

they also implemented the activity strea.ms standard... but added a ton of custom calls in it. embrace and extend. - Jamie

You're right about the namespace - just seems a window of opportunity for *someone*. - Steven Livingstone-Pérez

Find ways to use that contact information, and location based apps, and then Facebook goes over the top - Mike Nayyar

Their business model crashes if they open it up, how do you make money off ads if no one uses Facebook.com... - Colin

But why limit it to 24hrs? There's some technical reason it can't be 36? 48? Indef? - Ken Sheppardson

Mike, the contact aspect isn't that important since Facebook has shifted from Profile to Feed - Jérôme Flipo

Hmm, since there is no API limits, why do they need more than 24 hours of cache? - rob friedman

I don't know anyone that doesn't look at pics 90% of the time on FB. - coldbrew

Let them use up more bandwidth - rob friedman

24hrs, cause you'll still have to go back to facebook.com for more. Not "that" open - Jérôme Flipo

Jerome - It's still a huge part of it, since many people who use it still use it as a rolodex and contact manager - Mike Nayyar

I expect an adjustment to the Twitter API call limits within the week - Gabe

Leo, you raised good points regarding the name space issues. As Messina has said, namespace is the new lock-in. - Albert Willis

Ken: It's not a technical reason, it's just a rule. - Colin

rob - because I can scan my internal data faster than a call to their api - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

24 hours is the current limit. Perhaps we could put an initiative on the Facebook ballot. - Cliff Gerrish

I agree Leo. They need to leverage their strengths before Twitter supersedes them and finds a way to become the definitive "brand" for social media. - Paul Maez

They will have lots more data coming in when they have 1 billion users, hoarding our data will make us take it elsewhere - Tweet Feeds

rob: They want to prevent people from mining the metadata and building value added services. Thta's the reason for the 24hr limit. - Ken Sheppardson

The contact manager is great for email-phonebook - Jérôme Flipo

Maybe longer-term data is where the money is -- for marketers, to track trends - Amyloo

Amyloo++ - Ken Sheppardson

but what if only 5% of people turn on the switch - Jamie

Ken, people will mine the data in less than 23 hours. - rob friedman

Twitter won't change it's API call limit until they can support something bigger or unlimited. - Albert Willis

Leo - how is "everybody" different from "public?" - Cliff Gerrish

You can store the meta-meta-data. - rob friedman

Amyloo hit on something huge there. Metadata analytics, that's where facebook will become a big bucks business. - Mike Nayyar

hmm - coldbrew

You need to make sure that you can turn the Public off and on when ever you want to and that its clear and concise - Kim Landwehr

Amyloo, temporary yes. But Twitter put pressure on FB for more. Wait for the Google-Twitter partnership on search. Facebook won't be able to follow without deep search. People are opening up their online life, they'll want more - Jérôme Flipo

Did anyone's stream just freeze? - Matthew

Anybody notice kevin rose saying digg is working on going realtime? - Adnan

By default Twitter is public right? - rob friedman

Matthew, mine did freeze, but it's back - Jérôme Flipo

Adnan - How would Digg benefit from going realtime at all though? - Mike Nayyar

So why did facebook hide the rss feed for my own status updates? - Kevin Whalen

twitter is definitely not open... - Jamie

Public means "print to the Network" - Cliff Gerrish

Mike: No idea... kevins interview was on techcrunch I believe - Adnan

good point kevin - Stanislas Jourdan

we need an smtp for this stuff - Jamie

Matthew, stream buffered 2 min. ago for me - Micah Wittman

Let me run my own FaceBook which can talk to your FaceBook. and we can have hosted FaceBooks, like we have email. - rob friedman

Mike: A prettier looking faster moving experience? - Colin

Twitter's API is more open (for now) than Facebook's. - Albert Willis

Oh, that's a perfect way to put it. - Francine Hardaway

myspace could make a comeback - Matthew

Colin - so I can see the 4chan of news flash by faster than ever before? Uh... - Mike Nayyar

I think the new positioning map is: Digg and Friendfeed on "discovering content", Facebook and Twitter on "contacts management". Friendfeed is in the middle. - Jérôme Flipo

myspace is dead, sorry - Jamie

Mike: I guess so lol... - Colin

MySpace could leverage things with openess and connect social to music, and partner with someone (Apple and iTunes), they could wipe the floor with Facebook - Mike Nayyar

Every public tweet is on the open web and can be indexed by Google. - Albert Willis

now that GAE has xmpp abilities and all of the Social Graph stuff - wire that to your Google Profile with some customizable widgets - boom - you have this Internet Dialtone - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

RSS has become a "thing-for-developers". Google Reader will die (even Google is moving to microblogging). RSS is still important, but in the background. - Jérôme Flipo

Twitter is already the message bus. - Albert Willis

Twitter's a pager for today (not my analogy) - Micah Wittman

Mike: Fast slideyness and getting to use the "real-time" buzzword, it's all the rage! ;) - Colin

Revision: "Public" means print to the Network/Google Search Index/Mashup fodder - Cliff Gerrish

i think they want to outsource the development of an API client - Stanislas Jourdan

An closed system will not work, the social internet needs an internet dial tone, and the most open system will control the namespaces. This is the only way that they can ever be as big as Google. If they don't do it, Google will - Tweet Feeds

I still use myspace only because I can customize my profile. FB doesnt do that - Giancarlo Caparo

myspace is gone imo. facebook see themselves in 2 years when they look at myspace. hence the operation to completely flip their business right now - Jamie

"An open system will not work" see SMTP - Ken Sheppardson

Colin - Oh jeez, just what I need! FriendFeed is where I'll stay, thank you very much. - Mike Nayyar

I doubt microblogging will grow outside of Twitter. Maybe for internal corporate usage (Jaiku style). - Jérôme Flipo

We love you too, Leo. - Mike Nayyar

smtp for status updates = the dial tone - Jamie

The network effects funnel into FF - Micah Wittman

Leo, I think the most important thing Dave mentioned was the ability to direct data to specific audiences - Gabe

Tweet Feeds :+++ - Johni Fisher

Twitter is where conversations get started. - Mike Nayyar

Twitter is not who follows you, its who you follow - Kim Landwehr

*waves and goes off to find some dinner* - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Twitter also has channels if you know how to find them. - John Moore

Gabe that's on the someday list - how is that important? - Debi Jones

Gabe, scoping messaging is the key. Public is an important mode, but not the only mode. - Cliff Gerrish

Gabe, they know Twitter doesn't have Lists. Facebook has it, people know they've their private groups, and FB want people to trust them for this "private audiences". - Jérôme Flipo

Twitter is the yellowpages? - coldbrew

That's a polite way of saying it Leo. - Mike Nayyar

Get the Grandparents on FriendFeed Leo! - rob friedman

Whitepages to come... - coldbrew

are you streaming it online leo? - robby

MySpace isn't dead. For certain audiences it's very useful. - John Moore

sorry john, but its dead in this space - Jamie

John Moore - teenagers of all shapes and sizes primarily, though - Mike Nayyar

John, for music business only. - Jérôme Flipo

myspace is back where it started - a place for musicians - Jamie

Jamie: true - Daniel Morgan

I like the angry Leo! - Albert Willis

Jamie - and that might be a better place for it to start and focus on - Mike Nayyar

Albert: :-) - Ken Sheppardson

Leo's questions were great in the Q&A with FB - Jérôme Flipo

Albert - Totally! - Mike Nayyar

Live is great. - Micah Wittman

Twitter is a general purpose message bus, someone with meta-data needs to control namespaces and the internet dial tone, whoever does that will be the internet...might be Google - Tweet Feeds

agree mike, but i see a LOT of artists moving to twitter. they dont have their music there sure, but the artist-fan interaction is moving to twitter (and FB to a lesser degree) - Jamie

Wow! That was abrupt. - Debi Jones

Tweet: It can be open, the same way email is open. We don't need a single, central, private aggregator - Ken Sheppardson

Jamie, I think we all agree on Myspace's death. Twitter + Facebook is the way to go. - Jérôme Flipo

Jamie - I see artists going to Twitter too, but MySpace is an excellent hub to find music, preview it and use an excellent exposure tool. Tons of indie bands and labels I listen to use MySpace as their first stop on the Internet, not their own website or blog. - Mike Nayyar

Ken, are you saying Twitter/Facebook/FriendFeed should be nationalized? - Cliff Gerrish

Cliff: Is email nationalized? - Ken Sheppardson

thats true mike... I was just trying to separate out the music discovery from the fan/artist interaction, which is what myspace was initially all about - Jamie

Ken, we don't need a single search engine, but still, we only use Google. One may be enough in the microblogging space. - Jérôme Flipo

So, the activity stream protocol is SMTP. - Cliff Gerrish

i like blip.fm for music more than myspace though - Giancarlo Caparo

Cliff, only if I can have an equity stake in all three. - Karoli

If anyone here wants to see a mini avatar next to comments on FF (realtime), check out my greasemonkey script: http://beta.friendfeed.com/micahwi... #shameless-plug - Micah Wittman

so if myspace is left with music discovery, then its going to be getting it from spotify, last fm etc - Jamie

Can someone give me a brief explanation as to how Facebook could make their API more open? What aspects are they currently holding back? - Daniel Rowley

Mike : lastfm seems good for artists - Stanislas Jourdan

It should be P2P and open source. - coldbrew

Imagine if Google said you could connect to Gmail with any client via their IMAP API, but you can only cache your email locally on your desktop for 24hrs. - Ken Sheppardson

Music is 5% of online activity, guys (made up stat, but probably right) - Jérôme Flipo

Karoli, I'll see if I can talk to somebody about that... - Cliff Gerrish

Ken not sure I like the email analogy - because who today is in a position to provide consumer email solutions? - Debi Jones

Debi: What do you mean by a "consumer email solution"? - Ken Sheppardson

Stanislas - Last.fm is good for indexing your tastes, but it's not the best place to go as a headquarters for the artists themselves - Mike Nayyar

You can have your "node" and a domain name on a server for $30/yr - coldbrew

Jerome - It might not be a major driver of traffic, but it's the surest way to make immediate cash and actionable results for building community. That's how myspace grew in the first place. - Mike Nayyar

not sure I agree mike - last fm is often a better place to go than an artists myspace page - Jamie

There are possibilities to runs an email server is you're savvy enough, there are value added enterprise solutions - but who are the three companies large enough to manage email inboxes for consumers? - Debi Jones

Ken, good analogy. That would be great for developers, but users would stay on gmail.com. That's why FB doesn't fear this opening move. Good for developer, more Facebook Connect, but people remain inside FB's walls - Jérôme Flipo

the place it falls down is when an artist uploads new tracks... they wont hit last fm until they are released - Jamie

+1 coldbrew - node/domain name - Micah Wittman

Ken, your data is yours. You can keep a copy before you send it Facebook. You can send it to two services. Once it's custodied by Facebook, it's under their TOS. Just use the original. - Cliff Gerrish

Mike : disagree. Lastfm is a good place for promoting its band (free listenning, events, wiki, photos, video etc) - Stanislas Jourdan

Cliff: I agree with you there... that's why I don't publish anything natively in Facebook. - Ken Sheppardson

Jamie - And that's another place where MySpace can win. They already do plenty of exclusive previews, interviews, events etc - Mike Nayyar

Debi: You have choice. I'm not saying you should have N choices, but you do, in fact, have choice. And you can move from one solution to another with only technological friction, not data licensing issues. - Ken Sheppardson

Mike, "immediate cash": Youtube understood this, recently. - Jérôme Flipo

true. but I think we can reach a conclusion that myspace is back to being a music site. they are out of this particular game. - Jamie

Cliff: ... but I resent Facebook turning around and purporting to be open. - Ken Sheppardson

Stanislas - I don't disagree Last.fm is a good resource, but the familiarity and mindshare of MySpace are inherently larger and therefore more useful. - Mike Nayyar

Jamie : too late? Now they'va many competitors. Mike : yes for that - Stanislas Jourdan

Santiago, if all you contribute in this thread is a plug, it's not going to play well in this crowd. - Micah Wittman

And with another "work day" shot, I really need to unplug... sigh... - Ken Sheppardson

My audience is interested in horror movies and books. Myspace is still a huge spot for that audience -- though twitter is coming on strong, it's still not as strong as myspace in that group. - John Moore

Later folks. - Ken Sheppardson

Fun times. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken - Unplug? What's that? - Mike Nayyar

Ken, it's a matter of degree. They're moving from Private to Public - they need to extend granular controls. Twitter is black or white. And becoming an OpenID relying party isn't something Google is willing to do. - Cliff Gerrish

Bye, kshep - Micah Wittman

Facebook never wanted to go open. It has to, because of Twitter. Some other players can benefit from this move, like Friendfeed, Seesmic and Google. I'm quite disapointed with Google, actually. Many bad decisions on activity stream. - Jérôme Flipo

Ken don't hate FB too much - mobile carriers bastardize the terms web 2.0 and open on a daily basis. I think there's just a tipping point when companies get to a certain size where they are too big to let live. ISPs, carriers, social nets and banks. - Debi Jones

See ya ken. - Cliff Gerrish

can you explain further Jerome? - Stanislas Jourdan

Google may reserve their move to "search and monetization" only. No app for microblogging, except. - Jérôme Flipo

Debi: I spread my disdain around pretty evenly, I think . ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Hey Debi - I wanted to get your take on this. I think that telecoms and banks are headed for a mashup/consolidation. Telecom is the pipe for payments/transactions. - Cliff Gerrish

They killed Jaiku, didn't pay for Twitter. They're waiting for something. An ad deal maybe. - Jérôme Flipo

Wait Cliff - about Gmail? - Debi Jones

Regulation of social networks? - coldbrew

Google has a tendency to buy small companies and then kill them by ignoring them. - Kim Landwehr

coldbrew - So that's OpenID sort of does, right? - Mike Nayyar

i dont think google gets social. its an inherent thing - Jamie

OpenID doesn't regulate, it's just trying to be on the menu. - Micah Wittman

Kim, yes and no. They're smart. They don't want to buy a next Youtube-like company (big audience, little money). They want the monetization service for microblogging. - Jérôme Flipo

mobile banking and mobile payments is not around the corner - too many skirmishes among "owners" of their customers. Carriers always insist upon ownership of customer then there's Visa, Master Card and then the banks. It's a nightmare at the moment. - Debi Jones

Jamie, they don't want, but what about Open Social? iGoogle? Latitude? - Jérôme Flipo

Visa has an Android app for P2P payment - Jérôme Flipo

all 3 of those confirm my thoughts jerome - Jamie

Nayyar: Presumably, but there is no great "wordpress-like" way to install an 'instance' for self-hosting. - coldbrew

open social is a waste of time - Jamie

Cliff you will see other countries with less financial complexity doing allot with mobile payments today. Just not imminent for the US sadly. - Debi Jones

Debi, So a telecom buys a bank, or a bank/credit card buys a telecom. There are enough shaky players that something could be mashed up. - Cliff Gerrish

Jerome - I agree with Jamie's points on those 3 services. They're throw away, attempts to show that Google cares, but they get little attention after the initial buzz - Mike Nayyar

Jamie, Open Social is a huge success. Let me explain - Jérôme Flipo

Debi - sorta like eBay buying Skype, but something that actually works. - Cliff Gerrish

please do - Jamie

Some countries will speed ahead in the mobile territory because they don't have widespread internet like the US. For some mobile is the only option. - Matthew

Having a bank doesn't get the cooperation of all the parties to settlement that must agree on a standard for transactions. - Debi Jones

Open Social isn't a service in itself. It a long term strategy to force Facebook to open up its social graphs. - Jérôme Flipo

Matthew - India is the primary use case for this point - Mike Nayyar

Ah, then Visa has to buy Sprint. - Cliff Gerrish

but twitter is driving that, not open social - Jamie

FB was a huge threat if they decided to stay close. - Jérôme Flipo

LOL What about people who hold Master Cards or Discover? - Debi Jones

That's the reason for those Open initiatives. That's why Google support Twitter. That's why they push on Portable Contacts, Friend Connect, etc. - Jérôme Flipo

I don't think Sprint is healthy enough to buy Visa - maybe the other way around though. - Debi Jones

That's where I see a consolidation. The Network is the transaction carrier. - Cliff Gerrish

Gerrish: Those two entities have been feuding for a long time abouot how to bring NFC payments (e.g. mastercard paypass) to cell phones. I don''t think these people can fathom the notion you describe. - coldbrew

of course they are huge proponents of pushing the open agenda - Jamie

It will come eventually yes. - Debi Jones

Screenshot (30 seconds ago) of miniavatars script in use http://skitch.com/micahwi... - Micah Wittman

Google doesn't really care about "owning" the next big social service. They just don't want a close network that could integrate search (look at the MSFT-Facebook partnership), which could use social graph to personalize search results. - Jérôme Flipo

That would give Visa a competitive advantage - use your Visa phone to pay for purchases at these fine locations. - Cliff Gerrish

but thats because they themselves dont *get* social... its a space they just wont win in. so what better way to get something out of this by forcing these services to open up for indexing - Jamie

I see a surge in cell phone theft - Matthew

Long time coming...still waiting. you want a link? - coldbrew

Well, it's been real people. I gotta head off and take care of some business. Had tons of fun! - Mike Nayyar

Any Japanese folks here. *They* know about mobile payment - Jérôme Flipo

++Jamie agree that where Google head is at - Kim Landwehr

coldbrew they absolutely can fathom it - they've been dancing with each other for several years putting forward the solution that ensures - pick a side - that the customer ownership isn't compromised by the solution. - Debi Jones

Matthew, pretty easy to turn a phone off. - Cliff Gerrish

I dont know anybody who uses plaxo - Jamie

Jamie, I agree. But Open Social and other social initiatives are successes: not for the audience, but for forcing Facebook to open up. That's their implicit strategy, and they succeed. - Jérôme Flipo

Jones: I haven't heard of that at all. Link? - coldbrew

coldbrew do you have access to Google? - Debi Jones

Later folks. Nice thread. - Cliff Gerrish

see ya, Cliff - Micah Wittman

see you cliff - Jamie

No. My keyboard is broke. Digital Transactions doesn't rank well but is good, but anyway - coldbrew

disagree frank - Jamie

Frank, come on. I'm in France, 99% of Internet users don't know Twitter. They aren't ready for openness. - Jérôme Flipo

And Facebook use huge outside the US. - Jérôme Flipo

I agree with what Dave said Frank - Jamie

Try mobile payments OR pick a carrier name and Visa or Master Card, etc. - Debi Jones

Still not finding any good articles on GOOG yet - coldbrew

look at the uproar that occurs when facebook changes the smallest of things on the site - Jamie

Okay - Great Job, Leo! And thanks. Bye all. - Debi Jones

Bye Jones. - Jérôme Flipo

I know the space well, and rpeviously dealt directly with MC and VISA. - coldbrew

yet here we are asking them to make everything public. - Jamie

Jamie, and they'll do it. - Jérôme Flipo

Cya Kenster - Debi Jones

I agree... but its a lot more complicated and political than flipping a switch - Jamie

Jones:Though I can't type, you are wrong about bank +telco idea. - coldbrew

Twitter's big media coverage is helping Facebook explaining their users why to go open - Jérôme Flipo

See Oprah's last show. - Jérôme Flipo

not sure I agree there jerome - Jamie

I dont think its the openness that attracts people to twitter - Jamie

it keeps them there - Jamie

asynchronous follow is what attracts people to twitter. being "friends" with people you are interested in, rather than just those who you know - Jamie

don't understand you're point Jamie. I'm on twitter for the openness & it keeps me there (also because everyone is not on FF BTW) - Stanislas Jourdan

Jamie, but Facebook has fan pages! That's asynchronous friendship. They just added SMS alerts for Fan pages status change. Just like Twitter. - Jérôme Flipo

fan pages are a bolt on - Jamie

asynchronous follow is the very foundation of twitter - Jamie

"bolt on". What do you mean (non-native speakers here!). - Jérôme Flipo

hmmm... kind of like an add-on. - Jamie

Jamie: I hope you understand that the '-chronous' indicates some relation to time. I think you mean asymmetrical? - coldbrew

lol, yes. its 2:40am here - Jamie

fair enough - coldbrew

Come on, it's 3:38 here :) - Jérôme Flipo

Fan pages will become very important even if people won't see that - Stanislas Jourdan

hold on Jérome ;-) - Stanislas Jourdan

;) - coldbrew

:D - Jérôme Flipo

id be way asleep - coldbrew

I was asleep but woke for the gillmor gang. sad I know. - Jamie

I've a marketing strategy presentation in 4 hours. Not prepared yet. But "bolt on" is more important than my Master degree ;) - Jérôme Flipo

wow, forget what i said Jérome - Stanislas Jourdan

jerome is hardcore lol - Jamie

I saw Fred Wilson use asynchronous in the same context the other day, and defend it by saying, "that's what the developers called it" :P - coldbrew

it could be seen as asynchronous if you was talking about the timeline. I know its a stretch... lol :-) - Jamie

I think understanding the difference is key to understanding the different value propositions - coldbrew

going to sleep... see you guys and thanks for good discussion :) - Stanislas Jourdan

Asymmetric = public, Symmetric = Private (but this has further gradations) - coldbrew

see you stanislas - Jamie

coldbrew - you can have private asymmetric though, and vice versa - Jamie

It's redefining SMTP, without respect to time, and that's why people keep bringing up these proven delivery protocols. - coldbrew

See you cousin! - Jérôme Flipo

Symmetric, to me, means one has to "approve it", so I guess I cut off one use-case - coldbrew

go to work now! - Stanislas Jourdan

Hey, did we wake you up, Stan? - Jérôme Flipo

it's not work, it's fun - coldbrew

I made the assumption that the only scenario in which one would have an asymmetric relationship for content would be one where there is very little RL relation - coldbrew

it was a feign to force you to shut FF ;-) Personally, i'm on holidays :) - Stanislas Jourdan

a reasonable assumption to make - Jamie

Stan, I can't leave you alone in this dangerous place. Holidays or not, it's not safe. - Jérôme Flipo

Anyone able to have Twit Conversation to show up in the separate Groups in beta.friendfeed? I can not - Greg

I'm not using beta. - coldbrew

Real-time, refular site - coldbrew

Ugh - coldbrew

the reason I said that Facebook Pages is a bolt on is because its up to the user as to whether they go with a regular profile and a page. the very nature of a page and having "fans" indicates this is something just for celebrities to use... which only make up a subset of the use case for asymmetrical follow - Jamie

lol, ok daddy :P but please tell me your marketing mark then! - Stanislas Jourdan

Yes, but "bloggers" et. al may want to become micro-celebs on a micro-blogger? - coldbrew

Greg, nope. There's a bug somewhere. - Matthew

Ahem - coldbrew

Stan, it's a group work :D - Jérôme Flipo

Meaning some "nobodies" like attention and want to drive it their way. - coldbrew

Thanks Matthew appears #Leo does not know about it since yesterday he mentioned about the Twit Conversations showing up under Groups. - Greg

Jamie, you're right. But asymmetrical friendship for non-celebrities are not very common, aren't they? - Jérôme Flipo

LOL Jérôme! no. seriously, this time... i'm gonna rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrzzzrrrrr - Stanislas Jourdan

So, Twitter becomes a place for commercial relations (yellow pages) and white label services are dristrubuted (white pages). - coldbrew

Just like your SIP/ Skype phone #. - coldbrew

an Google voice - coldbrew

Jerome... im thinking of asymmetrical friendship by interest. so how Twitter exploded with the tech scene. - Jamie

Jamie, for sure Facebook has something to change here. Could they add asymmetrical friendship while keeping the actual system in place? - Jérôme Flipo

Nah, the protocol wont be topic based. Not like usenet. - coldbrew

the ability to follow and converse with the woman implementing activity streams at myspace for example. she has 150 followers but her work is of interest to me. - Jamie

why not? every facebook profile has interests listed. what if I could browse by interest in a particular location. - Jamie

Will myspace (FIM) make an offer for Twitter? - coldbrew

@ jerome that is the golden question and no doubt one they are trying to figure out. their entire company depends on finding that answer. - Jamie

activity streams taking over - Jay Neff

is that a rumour coldbrew? - Jamie

Nope.\ - coldbrew

I could definitely see old Rupert opening his chequebook - Jamie

Yep - coldbrew

A "private tab" would make it. Private means "symmetrical", "public" means not symmetrical (nice explanation, isn't?) - Jérôme Flipo

That check would have a lot of zeros - Matthew

9 of them - Jamie

Twitter isn't to sell - Jérôme Flipo

Ev has enough money, he just want to be the next Rupert - Jérôme Flipo

leo, there's no audio on the bitgravity stream.... or it's VERY low - Josh Betz

Betz: It is over,man. - coldbrew

Facebook also has current email, dob, phone#, movies, etc - Jay Neff

FB has my legal name which is its primary asset/ - coldbrew

jay - their biggest strength (extensive profile data/social graph) is what is holding them back. - Jamie

Jay, who's updating those info (except email and mobile)? - Jérôme Flipo

it will be updated now with all these activity streams, netflix, the newest book you are reading, etc - Jay Neff

ANyone giving netflix data is lots more trusting than I am. - coldbrew

I think most websites will have some type of activity streams that you can bring into fb, ff, etc - Jay Neff

Not sure for FF, Jay. Or only scobleizer.com ;) - Jérôme Flipo

This will all be 'commoditized' like wordpress did blogs, and godaddy hosting. - coldbrew

morin looks young - Jamie

Scoble article following the show: http://scobleizer.com/2009... - Jérôme Flipo

"Reason #1, though, is that Zuckerberg hasn’t yet figured out how to change user expectations from having everything private by default to having everything public by default, the way Twitter and friendfeed work." - Jérôme Flipo

That's was our "golden question" - Jérôme Flipo

there is another route for FB to get the money - Jamie

they could create a monstrous ad network off the back of the social graph and facebook connect - Jamie

Oops, the article seems to have been written before the show - Jérôme Flipo

FB might not be able to tell me how many friends liked this sushi restaurant, but Yelp can with Facebook Connect - Jamie

Not everyone will ever want things completly public. - coldbrew

Paul Buchheit: “It’s not about defaults, it’s about ownership. On Facebook, you are not allowed to give other people access to your data, because your data belongs to Facebook. On FriendFeed or Twitter, you can choose to be public or private, but either way you can still access your data and do what you want with it.” - Jérôme Flipo

its funny how attitudes to privacy change though - Jamie

or rather, how quickly they change. - Jamie

People don't wont to see a service goes from private to public. They can adopt a public service like Twitter, but are scared about Facebook opening up. That's brand image. - Jérôme Flipo

that about sums it up. if Facebook was to start again today I dont think they would have too much of a problem getting buy-in on being a public service - Jamie

Jamie, exactly. I hope future entrepreneurs will remember the lesson: Don't held data hostage. Don't build walls. - Jérôme Flipo

I don't think its necessarily a lesson at Facebooks expense.... in order to get the profile information back in 2004 it had to be private. peoples attitudes were different back then. It was the right move to make at the time. but things change so quickly. - Jamie

and at the same time, twitter wouldnt be here if it wasnt for the pioneering work facebook did - Jamie

http://activitystrea.ms - Jay Neff

Thanks for this great discussion. I've to go! See you all. - Jérôme Flipo

And Jamie, I support you second statement. But still, Facebook should have put such restrictive TOS for data sharing. They're screwed, now. - Jérôme Flipo

im out too. see you. - Jamie

lol yeah, you guys were a bit rough! - Jay Neff

great job with the presser. very revealing. (and thanks for dropping the beta prefix on the friendfeed. i had no idea it existed before.) - Brian Dols

"You know that you stand for something when someone publicly accuses you of selling out. http://tr.im/soldout (via http://ff.im/2pFjy)" -- Chris Messina - Ken Sheppardson

OK - I went overboard and I'm sorry. I guess that seeing the creator of Barcamp hob-nobbing at Foocamp then, a couple of days later, helping to promote Facebook made me a little queasy, but Chris is one of the good guys. I'm sure he's just glad that Facebook is using OAuth - and spells it right. - Leo Laporte

Leo's questions were challenging and bring some downsides to light. Critical thinking FTW! - Jérôme Flipo

Well, I appreciate you giving me a hard time Leo. I just wish I actually made some more money from selling out! Ha! Srsly, if you want to make change, I think you have to be willing to try a lot of different things. I think as long as you can try new things without losing your integrity and connection to where you came from, it's fine. But then, I would say that given that I'm here and you're... there. ;) - Chris Messina

Glad there's no hard feelings, Chris. It's perfectly reasonable to encourage openness in these companies - and if you get more traction working with them more power to you. I just hope they're sincere about what they're doing. We don't need any more walled gardens. - Leo Laporte

Sorry to go off topic, but aren't social networking sites/tools like facebook, twitter, and myspace in a place to do a great public good by leveraging their databases of user locations and contact into to push information to persons in regions known to have swine flu outbreaks on good habits for avoiding infection. Some people just have to be told to stay home and not spread germs; those folks show up to work sick and sneeze, cough, and otherwise share their infections. - Joseph(PhotoJoe)

l0ckergn0me

Kid Photo Meme - I'VE ALWAYS BEEN GEEKIER THAN YOU! - http://www.flickr.com/photos...

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Hahah, game over, Chris wins! - Vincent X

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HAHAHAHHA WIN!!! - Mona Nomura

Webelos for life. - Kevin Bondelli

oh wow - Cee Bee

hahaha awesome cake - Maria

Holy Geekness, Batman! We so would have been able to hang. I was into freaky cakes like that when I was a cub scout too. - Josh Haley

It's a meme, not a contest, but if you like: you win. The cake is very cool, btw. - Pete Delucchi

He won the geekiest kid contest. ;) - Vincent X

my parents have a school picture of me wearing glasses that are even worse than yours! thankfully, not many pics of me as a kid survived. I have very few pics of me in general! - alphaxion

HAHAHAHAHA - Anna Haro

kids... chicks like babies. - Noah David Simon

Google was geeky too - check some of these out http://tinyurl.com/aa63k - BackRub at the bottom is the best! - Steven Livingstone-Pérez from twhirl

*bump* you can't hide from the rebirth of this meme. - Mark Krynsky

Simple Update Protocol: Steven Livingstone-Pérez

Couldn't see anything immediately so i'll ask. I want to be able to create my own FriendFeed SUP so that i monitor say 1k feeds/60 seconds. I know the SUP ID's you assign so i'd like to optimize my querying by asking my own URL for any updates e.g . http://friendfeed.com/api...

April 15 - Comment - Like - Share

If you monitor http://friendfeed.com/api..., then you get all changes at FriendFeed including the 1K feeds that you are interested in. We do not provide a way to get a subset of the changes. - Gary Burd

Thanks Gary. - Steven Livingstone-Pérez

It's Just Semantics: Cliff Gerrish

Is the 'semantic web' top down or bottom up? Is the grammar created first or derived from usage?

December 1, 2008 - Comment - Like - Share

I think it really all depends on what you define as the semantic web. I've tried to find a single definition recently and failed completely. We need to start there before we decide what is top-down or bottom-up. I'm guessing by SW you might (at least partly) mean the use of RDF and/or ontologies to describe things so that they can be more computationally aware of each other on the internet? :) - Allyson Lister

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I'm getting at the question you expose, what do we mean when we say "semantic." It has very little to do with language, and a great deal to do with coded univocal messages and algorithms. Language is a much deeper thing. - Cliff Gerrish

Semantic is where the language meets the mathematics; it's a both/and rather than either/or proposition. Read my Blog (link at top) on RDFa meta formats to see how the mark up 'frees' data from the chains of its url location. - Igor Goldkind

Mark up is not freeing. It is exactly a kind of chain. Think instead of streams of data in context. Waves, not particles. - Cliff Gerrish

RDF isn't a meta anything. It's direct pointer using mark up. It's a thing that machines do, people do make much more sophisticated inferences. That's why social networks will ultimately provide more value than extra mark up. - Cliff Gerrish

A meta format is data about data. RDFs generate more significance for data by incorporating contextual syntax for the data outside of its domain. You're comparing apples to oranges when contrasting with socnets, which only have as much value as their participants when it comes to conveying meaningful data. - Igor Goldkind

BTW, html stands for hyper text mark up Language, XML . . . - Igor Goldkind

You neglect the game theory. RDFs will suffer the same fate as Meta Keywords with regard to Search engines. They must be disregarded because they are constantly gamed and spammed. Data smog. - Cliff Gerrish

No. Because no one individual can control the makeup of the RDF. It has to indicate to two distinct occurences of the same data on the web in order to draw a semantic reference. I suppose you could go around falsifying all the available data about a particular person, event, or thing that appears on the www, but that's not going to happen anymore than it does already. Semantic is about establishing criterion for relevance, not truth. - Igor Goldkind

>Is the 'semantic web' top down or bottom up? Is the grammar created first or derived from usage?” Answer: Both. - Igor Goldkind

Please provide an example of grammar being created prior to any usage. How is that even possible? - Cliff Gerrish

I meant Both top down and bottom up. Check out the chart Down is the New Up @ http://Oxfordseo.com/blog However RDFS may qualify as an example of grammar slightly preceding usage, if you define any grammar as the rules of a language. Of course if the grammar isn't applied fairly quickly it becomes redundant. You know about game theory, isn't it somewhat akin to making up the rules of a game before you play it? - Igor Goldkind

'Annotate the Web' belongs on the bottom up side. Rules to games aren't created that way. Rules are a response to play. - Cliff Gerrish

I think it is bottom up - in a social sense people are slowly contextualizing what they are doing through their networks (e.g. "rooms") and from that intelligence can be created that has some Semantic significance. However, this will move towards well-defined structures we already have. Just waiting on this connection. - Steven Livingstone-Pérez

It's both top down and bottom up. Check out the chart Down is the New Up @ http://Oxfordseo.com/blog RDFS might qualify as an example of grammar preceding usage, if you define any grammar as the rules of a language. Of course if the grammar isn't applied fairly quickly it becomes redundant. About game theory: isn't it like making up a game before you play it? - Igor Goldkind

That isn't what game theory is about. Rules aren't made prior to the existence of a game. Rules are a formalization of kinds of play. Learning pre-existing rules is something entirely different. - Cliff Gerrish

What about making up the rules as you go along? No seriously, children in a playground will spend lots of time setting up elaborate rules to a game before they start playing it and then adapt the rules to the quality of play when they play it. - Igor Goldkind

A child makes up games as they go along, not rules. Rules are a way of talking about games. - Cliff Gerrish

If game rule are the equivalent of grammar (or meta data formats), then people do have conversations about games and rules before they play them. - Igor Goldkind

Only if the game has already been created and they're a new player. - Cliff Gerrish

Or a new game is made up every time at the start of play. - Igor Goldkind

By playing, not by making rules. - Cliff Gerrish

If you don't need rules to play, is it still a game? - Igor Goldkind

The rules are no game... - Cliff Gerrish

But games have rules. - Igor Goldkind

Some games have rules others don't - Cliff Gerrish

"Give me an example of a game that has no rules" - Igor Goldkind

Two people wink at each other. - Cliff Gerrish

They actually have to wink for there to be a game. The rule is: you wink. - Igor Goldkind

The wink is a signal, the semantic web expert comes in later and derives a rule. But the game has changed to: two people nod at each other. - Cliff Gerrish

So its no longer named the winking game but the nodding game; a different game. - Igor Goldkind

No, it's the same game. And now, two people smirk at each other. - Cliff Gerrish

So now it's called the smirking game but is no longer the winking game. - Igor Goldkind

It's the same game, and now two people nudge each other. - Cliff Gerrish

When does the nudging game become the thumping game? - Igor Goldkind

It's not a nudging game, two people arch an eyebrow. - Cliff Gerrish

At what point do you stop diluting the definition of a game and just call it behaviour? - Igor Goldkind

That would be the point at which you read Wittgenstein on the 'definition' of a 'game.' It's not a 'behaviour' game, two people purse their lips. - Cliff Gerrish

Robert Scoble

"I am petting my Twinkle" sounds really naughty but it just means I am using the Twinkle iPhone app to look at Twitter.

September 24, 2008 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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That's right up there with telling somebody you just whipped it out (your iPhone, of course) - Jonathan Beckett

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oh Robert, you scallywag! - Christine Cavalier

Methinks the Scoble doth protest too much... - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Robert - no wonder you like your iPhone so much! :*) - Susan Beebe

Lucky the app wasn't called Twink... cause that phrase would mean something completely different... um... so I've heard... :) - Johnny Worthington

So should expect to see "Twinkle, Twinkle, little star" on your next blog post if you like it? - Steven Livingstone-Pérez from twhirl

Well for the amount of money the new iPhones cost I assumed it had to do something for your Twinkle. - Aaron Krug

Thx Robert. You just brought back the old SNL/Sprockets line in my head: "Would you like to touch my monkey?" :) - Kevin C. Tofel

Are you still drinking? - Yolanda

I enjoy twinkle but not recently as there have been several nearby folks that have been taking over the stream with rude and obnoxious posts. According to the developers a new version has been submitted to the app store that will allow nearby blocking of such folks. - Walt Ruppar

Is anyone aware of a Twiiter app that works thru Chrome? - Robyn Hawk

I like Twitterific better because you can favorite tweets there. - Svartling

pffft. Some people will post anything to get comments :D - WorldofHiglet

Just a little. :D - Steven Perez

it's called ceTwit on my HTC, that doesn't sound nearly as cool (or fun). Maybe I should find a better named app:) - Rick Bucich

Robert Scoble

One good thing about doing lists of FriendFeeders ... I'm learning all about who I'm missing! The list is getting better and better by the minute and so is my feed. Thank you and sorry to those cool people I left off originally.

September 26, 2008 - Comment - Like - Share

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I should be on it. I invented sitting on my arse watching TV. I was the first person to do that. - john conroy

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I think there are so many great people on friendfeed that a few are gonna fall through the cracks :) heck i just posted a message and bang I was on the list hehe - (jeff)isageek

I do absolutely nothing except that which is awesome. OK, not really. - Josh Haley

You don't have enough Mark's on the list :) - Mark Krynsky

Yeah, you list has a lot of people who don't FF. - Ryan

Yes robert, you forgot me for example :) - Alemsah Ozturk

Alemsah: probably because a lot of your posts aren't in English. - Robert Scoble

And you forgot Spin... - Mona Nomura

But if you were to add another Mark I'd be a good choice. "Web producer for X PRIZE Foundation and author of Lifestream Blog" would make for a nice description :) - Mark Krynsky

I'll add spin when I get home. Same with you Mark. - Robert Scoble

By splitting my peeps into lists that do not overlap, I get a lot more good stuff floating to the top of each list. But I have to click on several separate lists, so my clicking muscles are getting tired. - Laura Norvig

You want to see a grown man cry?? - Charlie Anzman

Robert, I am loving the lists so much, I have almost ceased real twitter usage (letting FF and my blog plugin handle the rest)... - Ken Stewart | ChangeForge

رابرت پس بروبچ ايروني چي؟ من؟ ميلاد؟ دكتر مجيدي؟ اتل متل ؟ فواد ؟ احسان گور به گور شده؟؟ :)) - mhmazidi

Wow, I totally didn't notice that Mark Krynsky wasn't on the list. Robert, if you have not already done so, I think Charlie Anzman deserves a spot as well. I did not check the list again, but I remember you missing Susan Beebe as well. And I almost forgot, thanks for adding me to the list :) - Rob Diana

Another Mark for the list would be Mark Dykeman of broadcastingbrain.com and a contributor at Mashable. Also, how are you coming up with the descriptions of the people? That is a cool little addition. - Rob Diana

Great list! Thanks. Anyway you could time stamp new ones? I don't want to miss anyone. - WiseYoda (aka Patrick)

Nice... At least now I know who's who. - Winston Teo

دکتر خودتو به رابرت چی کار داری، حالا ما یه بار گفتیم ماست فقط ماست گوسفند. میلادم گفت پرسپولیس سرور استقلاله و رابرتو پرسپولیسی کرد. تو چی کار کردی واسه رابرت؟ - فوهاد صا.

Robert Please Repeat After Me : PERSPOLIS SARVARE ESTEGHLALE (it mean perspolis fc is better than esteghlal fc ) ضمنا بعدش بگو داور دقت کن - Mil∂d

اگزوز خاور شیر سماور ... داور دقت کن :)))) - Milad.p

I'm not sad that I didn't make the list. Nope, not at all... *sniff* ;-) - Josh Bancroft

Robert how do you follow topics at the moment? At a certain point it gets hard to follow more friends and at that point i'd think you need to narrow focus? (or not?) - Steven Livingstone-Pérez

Josh: I don't know how I missed you. Weblivz: I just refresh FF hundreds of times a day. - Robert Scoble

Rob: most of the descriptions are off the top of my head or from their Twitter bios. - Robert Scoble

Hey Robert: http://friendfeed.com/rooms... :) - Clint Ecker

I listed some Finnish users of FF: http://autiomaa.org/2008... - Daniel Schildt

Daniel I did see your listing. I see many possibilities in FF but need to increase my own activity. Different channels bring both same and new information. There isn't that many people working with all the tools. The same names or IDs appear in Jaiku, Facebook, Twitter, Pownce, FriendFeed, etc. - Helge V. Keitel

just wondering .. did I get lett off? wait if I have to ask I probably know already eh? lol - John Blanton from twhirl

Yeah Robert, I am not techie enough? ;-) Consider me as one of the most techie guys who use FriendFeed oversea. - Leon Ho

@Scoble - Refreshing hundreds of times a day works i guess when it's part of your job, Much harder when you just want to follow "stuff" with limited time. Thanks for replying. - Steven Livingstone-Pérez

weblivz: that's exactly why I created a list with fewer people on it. I have about 200 on the techie list. 3,400 on the main list. - Robert Scoble

*shunned!* I thought I'd make the cut on Scoble's techie list! I thought I talked enough tech to make the grade ;) - Susan Beebe

مزیدی =))) - atalmatal

یادش بخیر سر این پست چقدر خندیدیم - فوهاد صا.

agreed mine too but it takes time - Thomas Power

رابرت جان به این میگیم شخم :))))) یعنی اینتری از اعماق تاریخ بالا آوردن - Mil∂d

Hey I am a normal person!!! BUt I really am insignificant in the Social Media world...for now! - Paul Jones from twhirl

ای رابرت فارسی مه فهمه ؟؟ - MAS

dear scott, farsi (persian) not arabic - فوهاد صا.

عربی چیه مرتیگه اجنبی شیطونه میگه بزنم لهش کنما فواد بزن تو چشش :دی - MAS

می‌گم این رابرت فامیلیلیش اسکول سرخوده به حذف ب :دی برنامه بذاریم اسکولش کنیم رونوشت به میلاد و فواد - Ehsanislav

Steven Livingstone-Pérez

weblivz on valebrity - keepin’ it real - http://www.reddit.com/r...

February 5 from Reddit - Comment - Like - Share

"@MichDdot - thankyou! Very much appreciate any buzz around the site." - Steven Livingstone-Pérez

Steven Livingstone-Pérez

weblivz on valebrity - keepin’ it real - http://reddit.com/r...

January 26 from Reddit - Comment - Like - Share

"This is my site so would appreciated feedback and points. Actually came to me through a random discussion on twitter - just went with it and seems to be quite popular (at least it;s generated some interest!)." - Steven Livingstone-Pérez

OpenID: Steven Livingstone-Pérez

JS-Kit: Comments, reviews, ratings, scores, polls, Navigator and more... - http://js-kit.com/

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Has an OpenID comment plugin - Steven Livingstone-Pérez from Bookmarklet

Robert Scoble

Robert is having a fun weekend with family celebrating my 44th birthday on Sunday. Thanks to everyone for the kind wishes!

January 17 from Facebook - Comment - Like - Share

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Happy Birthday Robert! - Dave Gambrill

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Hey, we continue to celebrate a week apart. My son Doug beat you to 44 in December. I achieve 70 week from Sunday. Enjoying myself over that. - Dennis E. Hamilton from twhirl

Tomorrow's your b-day? Happy birthday, Robert! - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

Happy Birthday Robert! Maybe I should create a FriendFeed room for this? ;) - Michael Broukhim

Happy Birthday!! Does this mean you're taking the day off? - Devlin Dunsmore from twhirl

Happy B-day Robert! - Helen Sventitsky

Have a great birthday weekend! Hope it's geeky and fun! :) - Daynah

have a good one!!! - Richard Binhammer

no s#*t ... not only is my birthday the day after yours, I'll also be 44. Happy Birthday! - Jim Hearts FF

Happy Birthday, Robert! I hope you and your family have a great weekend! :-) - Anna Haro

Happy birthday, Robert! Have a great one! :) - Dee S.

Good times! Enjoy! - Josh Haley

Happy Birthday and here's to many more (lifts martini)! - Susan Dennis

Just turned 44 myself! Happy Bday. - BEX

Happy Birthday !!! - Nir Ben Yona

~~~ HAPPY 44TH BIRTHDAY ROBERT !!! I hope you have a really fun birthday and get lots of cool new toys!! :D - Susan Beebe

Best wishes on the day! Looks like its gonna be a very decent day in HMB tomorrow! :-) - Bo Stern

Happy Birthday, Robert!! - David Cook

Ahh...what to do? Robert said there was no need to wish him a happy b'day, but I do this for others; why should I exclude him? and everyone else is doing it...I know; happy Scoble's birthday, fellow FriendFeeders! - MiniMage TKDteacher of FF

Happy Birthday, Robert!! Hope you enjoy your day and weekend. :) - Lindsay

Happy birthday. - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

Happy 44th ... hey we almost have the same birthday :) - Robert Couture

Happy Birthday! have fun with the family...that's what it's all about. - Troy Malone

Wow you're 44?! Time is damn good to you!! Happy Birthday and stay unplugged before Maryam drags you to a place with no cell service! ;) - Mona Nomura

Happy Impending Birthday! - deusdiabolus

Already 44? Happy Birthday and wish you a webfull of 44th year ;) - Ozkan Altuner

Happy 44! - webosapien (Burcu Tüzün)

Happy pre-Birthday, Robert. I wish you many, many more. :-) - Mathew A. Koeneker

Happy Birthday, Robert! So glad you're having fun with your family. Cheers! - Cathryn Hrudicka

Excellent! Happy Birthday Robert. It's already Sunday here :) - Ange Recchia/angesbiz

Happy Birthday Robert! - Holger Eilhard

Happy birthday - Duncan Riley

Happy Birthday ^__^ - Nia

Happy Birthday - Charlie Anzman

Scobleizer, Happy Birthday! - Mike Fruchter

Many Happy Returns and blessings to you Robert! - Melanie Reed

Happy Birthday Robert. Hope the coming year is a great one. - jjprojects

Happy Birthday - Sharron Field from twhirl

Happy Birthday - Kyle

I thought you were 34, have a great day! - paul mooney

Happy Bornday - rokhayakebe

Happy Birthday! If you were in Atlanta it would have been a snowy (predicted) birthday, not to mention a kewl place to celebrate in, home to Coca-Cola, CDC, Lockheed Martin and our very own Ted Turner's creation CNN. :-) [edited] - Moushumi Kabir

Happy 44 !!! - Rocky

Happy birthday! - Morton Fox

May I say Best Wishes on your Day... - bcultral

Happy Birthday, Robert! - Heidi Jeffers Thibodeau

Happy birthday! - Naser Farzinfar

Happy Birthday! - mandyvan

Happy Birthday - Leslie Poston

Happy Bday Robert! - Kelly Johns

Happy B-Day!! - Jeff P. Henderson

happy birthday I am offering you a like as present :) - Loic Le Meur from twhirl

happy bday!! - ::Kristen::

Have a Happy!!! - Seth Greenblatt

Have the best birthday ever! - jcunwired

happy bday - Zafarali

Happy Birthday Robert, Have a Great Weekend! - Michael Fidler

Happy birthday old man!™ - Larry Kless

Happy Birthday, Robert! Have a great day. - Andrew Terry

happy bday! - Zafarali

S dnem Rozhdeniya! (happy b-day!) - Olga Rasulova

Happy birthday! - Darren Heydon

Happy Birthday! - Pankaj from twhirl

You're 44? Herzlichen Glückwunsch Robert! - Gaby K. Slezák

A happy Birthday to you from old Europe - Donald Townsend

Congrats to your 44th! You look much younger though! :-) - Alex

Congrats! - Alan Kodzasov

Happy birthday :) - Carolyn Chan

happy bday! - Zafarali

Happy Birthday! - Ladybug Heather

Happy Birthday. Great seeing you in Las Vegas. - Steve Garfield from twhirl

Happy Birthday! - Didi Chanoch

Happy Birthday Robert! - Nicholas James

Cumpleaños Feliz! - Steven Livingstone-Pérez

Happy Birthday! (isn't it Prager's as well) - Marcus Beagley

Happy birthday, Robert! - Thierry R. Andriamirado

Happy birthday! Thanks for being the real first adopter and showing the rest of us new ways and places to explore. - Heather

Happy birthday Robert! Keep up the good work your'e doing! - Marc van Waardenburg

Happy birthday! - Robert Banghart

Happy Birthday Robert!!! The Queen sends her birthday wishes too :) London, United Kingdom - Justin Stevens

Happy Birthday Robert (Man, you're just a kid ! :) - Charlie Anzman

happy birthday - Travis Parsons

Happy birthday! • From Moscow, Russia - Hurt Feelings Inc.

Happy birthday Pal!!!! - Thomas Hawk

Happy birthday. - Svartling

Happy birthday Robert! - Martin Bryant

Happy birthday, dude! - Michael VanDervort

Happy birthday, dear Robert! Happy birthday to you! :) - Lora Lufark

Many happy returns. - Mike Lewis

Happy B-Day, Robert. - Michael R. Bernstein

Happy Birthday, Robert! - ravi karandeekar

Happy Birthday from the island of Montreal! - Michael Forian

Happy Birthday to you. - Marcel Janus

Happy Birthday Robert! Enjoy your day! - Laura Zickus

Wait. I thought you were 10 years older than me. Then I realized you were 10 years younger!! Now I find out you're my age? I am suddenly hopeful! Yes we 44yr- olds can! .......Hey Robert, seriously, I wish you another 56 healthy years. Happy Birthday! ♫ - Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct

Happy Birthday, Robert!!!! :) - Mol, Santa Claws

Happy Birthday! http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3493... - glfceo

Happy Birthday Robert. - Daniel Rowley

Happy Birthday! - clp

Wishing you a great one Robert. Thanks for all you do for the Internet. I loved your interview with Seth Godin, you 2 were great together. - Jeremy Campbell from twhirl

@Jeremy Campbell - do you have a link to that interview? - Peter Warnock

Happy Birthday! Hooray for 1965! (My birthday is still a few weeks away, in March.) - vicster

Scobleizer, time to CELEBRATE-You have so much ahead of you, b/c what's behind you was great!! Thanks for all the great insight!! - Harold Cabezas

Happy birthday Robert! - Andrew

Happy Birthday Robert! - Parth Awasthi

Happy B1rthday Rob3rt - iSteeve

Happy Christmas Robert! (Didnt wanna say the same thing as everyone else) :) - Simon Wicks

happy bday robert - MG Siegler

Happy Bday!! - Sarah Perez

Happy Birthday! Have a wonderful year until the next :) - Pilgrim Five

Simple Update Protocol: DeWitt Clinton

Discussion: The name 'SUP Feed' for the top-level document.

January 7, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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There are two questions that come to my mind here. The first is whether the use of 'SUP' (acronym or not) is redundant. The second is whether 'feed' is appropriate. Alternatives could be 'Updates Feed' or 'Updates Document'. - DeWitt Clinton

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Calling it a feed is confusing as it implies Atom or RSS to me. SUP Document is better. - Kevin Marks

My issue with "document" is simply that it sounds too static, when it truly is a dynamic feed of updates. Unfortunately "feed" seems to cause some confusion as well. Any thoughts on other words? - Paul Buchheit

SUP Stream? - Steven Livingstone-Pérez

I don't like "SUP Feed" because it causes confusion. I think the best alternative is "SUP Document. - Gary Burd

It sounds like there are actually two related points here, one per word. The first is "SUP" vs "Updates" vs "other", and the second is "Feed" vs "Document" vs "other." - DeWitt Clinton

I am partial to "Updates Document" with a second choice of "Updates Feed", though I don't feel like either quite nails it yet. Any other suggestions? - DeWitt Clinton

What about "SUP catalog"? I like using the acronym because it might disambiguate in some contexts. I don't like Document because it sounds like something for human consumption. I don't like Feed because people get confused about a feed of feeds. Also because a feed is generally sequential and what's currently called the SUP Feed doesn't have to be. - Bruce Lewis from fftogo

Update Document seems to make more sense. We have an Updates Document which indirectly points to the Feeds that have been updated. - Adewale Oshineye

Robert Scoble

Why didn't Steve Jobs hold his news until they report financials next week? My ideas here:

January 14 - Comment - Like - Share

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1. Apple did better than expected in current quarter, so they wanted to get the bad news out of the way now. That way the stock will take the hit for Jobs being gone, then go up when they announce great financial results. Making it clear to everyone that the company will go on strongly without Jobs. - Robert Scoble

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He's sick and is going to take time off for treatment, and it can't wait? - Ken Sheppardson

2. Someone threatened to leak the news this week anyway. - Robert Scoble

But I don't know, why didn't they just hold the bad news until the financials came out? If the financials are bad, do you think they would have just blasted both bits of bad news out together? - Robert Scoble

Ken: he could have disappeared for a week without anyone noticing. So that's not it. - Robert Scoble

Maybe he's just not well. I know from family experience that this can (and should) override anything. Anyone suddenly feels as human and mortal as the next guy when given a really shitty piece of news. - Steven Livingstone-Pérez

They could've released the news next Tuesday and buried the lead with the inauguration and all. - Mark Trapp

Wouldn't it be considered a material fact they'd have to disclose in their earnings report, if was already planned? Perhaps earning are worse than expected, and they don't want a double whammy. I think one can make up all sorts of scenarios. - Ken Sheppardson

This gets back to my question : http://friendfeed.com/e... - Will Higgins™

i suspect #2 is closest to the truth. doctors, nurses, folks at work. could be he had an episode in public somewhere... - MikeAmundsen

What financials are you talking about? The Proxy just came out a few days ago - Matt Bennett

Robert: Why don't you just go back to the yogurt shop and ask? - Ken Sheppardson

Probably a requirement under securities laws: timely disclosure of something material that might affect the share price. The CEO's temporary incapacity sure is something material. - Neville Hobson

People have been saying he was sick like this for a while. Not sure if we would have believed a "leak" regardless. Right now i'm more in shock of Steve's letter last week. Either it was a lie or he got some bad news really suddenly. Regardless, have to face the future. - David Bisset (sn)

I do think that Apple just released that because people over there knows that Steve needs some rest, the guy is sick and he needs to take care of himself, and then maybe after he is okay he would look after the company's business once again and I think your first idea might be the right one. - Ahmed

I hope he's better and ready to by next years CES! - Brett Nordquist

I think he's trying to be more open with his employees and customers. I think this is very representative of the nature of our 2.0 world. Knowledge of everything can be found so it's best not to lie and hide behind a mask of supposed truths. Best to just be honest! - Dane Deasy

Brett: me too! Wishing him all the best. - Robert Scoble

Dane: I don't think this is Steve being more open. Just read his message. Just as cryptic, only said what it needed to. Steve Jobs *IS* the Citizen Kane of Silicon Valley. - David Bisset (sn)

btw - IMO, this is not going to get better (sorry to say). i suspect Jobs' condition is chronic and probably progressive. he's proly been putting off this kind of talk for quite some time. it could be a rough year for him and those close to him. and a bad sitch for the company, too. i really hope i'm wrong. - MikeAmundsen

Option 2 seems to be the more plausible. Apple and Jobs have both been lying about this and attempting cover-ups for some time now. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Interesting that he'll be back in June--in time for announcing the next iPhone on stage? - Ian Mikutel

There are no good ways to bring bad news. But openness is less bad than denial. Hold good thoughts for Steve's recovery. - Michael Markman

Ian: that would make sense. Mess with the Palm Pre and Nokia N97 launches in June. Keep everyone slobbering over the next iPhone. - Robert Scoble

Robert, I think the 'June' return is just an arbitrary date which at this stage, could be either pessimistic or optimistic. - Scot Mcphee

As accurate and truthful as Apple/Jobs have been about this topic... I doubt Jobs will be back at all. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

I think that he wants media to finally treat Apple as a "grown up" company and he plan to do this with shock therapy :) - Hubert Taler

I think he is gone for good. Goldman indicated that he spoke to senior technology person who spoke to Steve who felt Steve was "deluded about his condition". That sounds bad for steve. - themick171 from twhirl

What the hell does a senior technology person know about medical issues, though? - Victor Ganata

@ michael dee - is that the same Goldman (from CNBC) who insisted just recently that Gizmodo were talking bollocks when they said Jobs' health was in serious decline, and that Jobs' health was 'totally fine' ??? - Patrick Jordan

It's that delusion about our conditions that keep us sane. - Todd Hoff

Victor: as much as a yogurt store clerk. - Robert Scoble

Wow, I too am surprised this news was leaked prior to the financials...odd. There's something fishy about that for sure - Susan Beebe

@scobleizer in corporate/ DowJones land bad news MUST be reported as soon as known. Anything less gets you into Enron territory. - Bankwatch

I agree with Ken Sheppardson and Neville Hobson. Apple knew the information and were reponsible by releasing it in a timely manner. - Ontario Emperor

Of course, deliberately witholding critical information to manipulate the stock price is somethign people woudl scream about if any other company did it. - Soulhuntre from twhirl

@bankwatch makes a good point. But if Apple/Jobs knew this before the MacWorld announcement, and if they did and still put out the cokamamy story about hormone levels, Apple still should get a cursory look over by the SEC. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Jobs is not coming back, ever. The news today was just a "baby step" to that end. - oregon_tony

As a "grown up" company Apple will fail. Their primary tool is the faux elitism of their user base and the "cool" factor that lets them overcharge for minor hardware upgrades. As soon as they grow up (expand) that will fade. - Soulhuntre

I'm sure many companies would like to fail as well as Apple has! Yes, their stuff is pricey, but its demonstrably superior. I guess if you don't value your time you can pretend to save money using XP, or the now obsolete Vista, and if you still haven't learned your lesson then go have fun with Windows 7... - Indio Apache from twhirl

AAPL would have been crucified if they had waited. Mentioning the news now takes away the material disclosure & sharp stock sell off if the news would have been disclosed "next week". Waiting would have opened a mega can of worms in case anyone started selling their insider shares or stock plan shares. Now everyone gets the info at the same time to avoid the SEC trouble Apple had before although they passed the fire trials then. - Roney Smith

yessir soulhuntre, Apple, number 103 in the Fortune 500, 8th most profitable tech company... sounds pretty grown up to most grown ups... - Indio Apache from twhirl

Soulhuntre... Apple has always wisely resisted the temptation to grow too quickly, or address the least common denominator mass market. There are riches in niches, and Apple mines its niches well. - LogEx

re: Mark VandenBerg - thats my thought too, that the earlier hormone announcement may at least get some SEC review. - Bankwatch

@indio - depends on how your using the term of course. @logical - I agree... as a niche product / firm Apple excels but they have been increasingly tryign to go mainstream (sometimes well, sometimes badly). It will be interesting to watch. - Soulhuntre

OpenSearch: Steven Livingstone-Pérez

Windows 7: Federated Search - http://www.neowin.net/news...

January 6, 2009 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

"Windows 7: Federated Search" - Steven Livingstone-Pérez from Bookmarklet

OpenID: Steven Livingstone-Pérez

Technology Review: A New Web of Trust - http://www.technologyreview.com/web...

January 6, 2009 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

Not directly related but perhaps of interest! - Steven Livingstone-Pérez from Bookmarklet

OpenID: Steven Livingstone-Pérez

Five Reasons Why Authentication Still Matters -- and Still Isn’t Fixed - http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/secu...

January 5, 2009 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

No mention of OpenID? - Steven Livingstone-Pérez from Bookmarklet

OpenID: Steven Livingstone-Pérez

LSU AgCenter SharePoint - http://extranet.lsuagcenter.net/_layout...

December 19, 2008 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

Interesting use of OpenID in an extranet type environment - Steven Livingstone-Pérez from Bookmarklet

OpenID: Steven Livingstone-Pérez

OpenStack - FriendFeed - http://friendfeed.com/rooms...

December 19, 2008 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

Useful related feed - Steven Livingstone-Pérez from Bookmarklet

OpenID: Steven Livingstone-Pérez

Sxipper :: Firefox Add-ons - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US...

December 18, 2008 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

Tried this and works great! - Steven Livingstone-Pérez from Bookmarklet

Dan Hsiao

The Google SearchWiki 'promote' and 'remove' icons/links are really starting to annoy me.

November 24, 2008 - Comment - Like - Share

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So much so that I'm actually going to try other search engines for the rest of the day. - Dan Hsiao

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No, don't do that. That's not very nice. Are you really gonna go back to Alta Vista?! (I just didn't activate SearchWiki...) - T-Ho

So glad I didnt activate it, although the arrow and x are annoying as well - Amber, Random Time Lord

I don't recall being asked, it just happened. - Dan Hsiao

hmm...hasn't anyone whipped up a quick greasemonkey script to fix that for you yet? brb... - Trent Olson

looks like someone beat me to it: http://userscripts.org/scripts... localized for us & uk, i had to add canada - Trent Olson

thanks a lot, Trent! that rocks... - Ashwin Bharambe

The up/down icons are much prominent that they deserve to be, since 99.999% of users will probably never click them. I think they should be moved down to the bottom line next to the comments icon. - Jess Lee

The icons really are surprisingly intrusive. It feels like there are lumps of dirt on my screen :) - Paul Buchheit

Whatever happened to the Note this link in the Search Results? - vladimir gareski

You can use "&hl=all" as a parameter to hide the SearchWiki UI if you want. - Matt Cutts

Try Yahoo! Search! - Glen Mistletoe

if not yet, i expect they'll soon make them switchable for logged in users. - Steven Livingstone-Pérez from twhirl

So my workaround for now is to do all my searching while signed out of Google using Safari and keeping my Gmail, etc. in Firefox. I literally sighed in relief when I saw the unobstructed search results when not signed in. - Dan Hsiao

I seem to be able to avoid those links by browsing in IE 6. - Gabe

Uh, is it not turned off by default now? It's opt-in here: http://www.google.com/experim... so you should be able to opt-out. - Tanath

@ Tanath: that experiment is something different, it's an additional feature for SearchWiki. I removed the SearchWiki icons using a GreaseMonkey script: http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2008... - Ionut

Mike Butcher

Hubbub launches FriendFeed desktop app - http://uk.techcrunch.com/2008...

November 26, 2008 from TechCrunch UK - Comment - Like - Share

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Hubbub seems more like a deconstructed, browser-less Netvibes-on-the-desktop rather than "a new kind of desktop application for the semantic web" ((http://tinyurl.com/6qnn85) even though the later sounds a lot more sexy). - Brad Kligerman

First thing i read was "hubdub" - must have have the domain for a while for this project but confusing nevertheless. - Steven Livingstone-Pérez from twhirl

Robert Scoble

Facebook told me today they are getting 100000 new videos per day. It would take 100 days to watch all that without sleeping.

November 25, 2008 - Comment - Like - Share

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Average length is one-and-a-half minutes. There are only 1440 minutes in a day. - Robert Scoble

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Chinese video site Tudou is getting 30,000 a day which shows how big Chinese market is. - Robert Scoble

How many videos does YouTube get in a day? - Robert Scoble

But how many of those are good videos? - Brian

Good for whom? - muzo

Brian 99% of everything is crap. That is still a lot of good videos! - Robert Scoble

I agree 1% may be useful, but facebook have issues with UX as it is - finding and using the 1% of good apps is an issue as it is. Hope they do better in video. - Steven Livingstone-Pérez from twhirl

If you have any questions about YouTube stats this is the guy to ask, he offers a college class in the anthropology of YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Aryeh

Are you going to post your interview, Robert? - Mason Lee

thing is, out of those 100,000 new vids a day how many of them are dupes, how many get decent and consistant views etc. Something inside of me never likes the pure "we're getting x amount of y", all it ever shows is the volume of use. Do they have these stats showing the percentage of users taking part (is it a small minority making use of it?)... context, it's all about context :) - alphaxion

Questions about them being good, or the UI to find them, the dupes etc only look at the situation from one end. From the other end, it does not matter how good they are, or how many times something is posted, or how many times something is watched. It's about the act of creation or the act of sharing. It's that gesture that is important to the person involved. - Rachel Clarke

@rachel I'm talking a business sense. Getting base upload stats is one thing, looking at the proportion of users uploading said videos (uptake), patterns of use and viewing rates help to bring about a better picture of how the feature is developing etc. - alphaxion

aphaxion. Yep, you're right. I was responding to the general tone of the discussion. You have at least 3 constituents - the 'creator' (or uploader), the viewers (their friends) and the business offering the service. I think too often a general discussion tends to focus on the viewer (about FB or YT or the others) without taking on the wider picture - Rachel Clarke

wow, it's almost *as if* we're in a productivity crisis and people are spending their work day screwing around with social media. Almost ... - Melanie McBride

I think Facebook should be talking about where they're planning to go and be in the next ten years. They may - I actually don't watch the company at all as a barometer of what's going on online, so if they have talked about it, I've missed it. - Patricia

I do have to say loading videos on Facebook is much faster than YouTube. - Victhor The Viking from twhirl

65.000 videos are uploaded to YouTube everyday says this paper: http://tinyurl.com/63g352 - Ahmet Yükseltürk

Robert Scoble

A Whale of an Opportunity - http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008...

November 24, 2008 from Backtype - Comment - Like - Share

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"Dave Winer: Twitter can’t afford to buy FriendFeed. FriendFeed’s value is in its superstar team. Remember of the 13 people who work there, one ran the Gmail team. One ran the Google Talk team. Another ran the Google Maps team. And yet another was the designer for Google Maps, Calendar, Reader, Mail, and others. This is a superstar team that will not be taken off the street for less than hundreds of millions of dollars." - Robert Scoble

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Ok agreed to a point but that's like saying a CAA agent sold 100 shows at CAA - you have to know the CAA brand not the exec played probably 98% of that.... just saying. I highly doubt FF will make hundreds of millions only because social networks are essentially message boards, and the value's going down not up. - Patricia

Patricia: I totally disagree. Value of aggregators is going way up. - Robert Scoble

Patricia, I also disagree. FF and Twitter have been attracting an audience with well defined interests, area of activities and specialization. If FF star-team comes up with its own business model - this will not be difficult IMO - it has all reasons to stay independent and to further grow its audience. This partially might explain why Twitter itself refused to be bought by Facebook, which has a money in-stream of its own but a different audience and appeal. FF is much more than a message board.. - Hayk H.

Okay, so the Facebook and Twitter deal didn't make much sense, but FF and twitter? That is a good combination, no matter how it happens. A good part of FF is twitter feeds anyway. Bringing the two communities together and further integrating them would help more people understand why news and information aggregators like FF are going to become an important part of society. - Bob Blunk

Although, I would also say that a FF takeover of Twitter seems more likely and would be better in the long run for the users. - Bob Blunk

I cant see anyone mad enough to buy twitter with cash until it is monetised in some way. FF does not need Twitter to progress.. - Riaz Kanani from twhirl

To me Twitter is core, FF is a nice to have. In the same way there's been tons to do on mobile phones for years in the UK, but SMS remains the only one capable of monetizing. - Steven Livingstone-Pérez from twhirl

Patricia, all web sites are essentially message boards. The important details are who posts what where. FriendFeed gets a lot of details right in importing and presenting interesting content and people. - Bruce Lewis from fftogo

Q: How do you valuate "Superstar" in a due diligence? A: You don't. The assertion is bogus. - Michael Slavitch

@Bruce, I disagree. not all websites are message boards. I think all websites are either utilities or entertainment. - Patricia

Patricia, could you give an example of a web site that you think will take a larger chunk of the attention economy than social networking sites do? I still don't get your message board comment. Message boards can be used for either utility or entertainment. - Bruce Lewis from fftogo

@Bruce, what do you think the internet is and here to do out of curiosity? - Patricia

The Internet is a system for transmitting packets of information fast, but unreliably. TCP/IP stacks reliability on top of the Internet. HTTP stacks a standardized protocol for interacting with URLs on top of TCP/IP. The WWW stacks funny cat pictures on top of HTTP. That's how I see it. - Bruce Lewis from fftogo

I knew it - the sole purpose of the internet is for "funny cat pictures"! LOL - Susan Beebe

bruce.. um, HTTP is a client/server data protocol to enable the transfer of files across the network using TCP sockets.. nothing to do with URL's, that is DNS. The internet is just a bunch of interconnected routed networks sporting a number of different protocols purely for the transfer of data. Nothing more, nothing less :) It's what you lay on top of that that's key. - alphaxion

@Bruce, Ok. I see it as a device agnostic, multimedia communications platform designed to either mesh or replace current existing platforms (telephone, broadcast, radio, etc). because it is more stable, cost effective and has broader range. As it evolves to its purpose, users move and shape along with it, not the other way around. Message boards have and always will exist, however,... more... - Patricia

alphaxion, you're right about the Internet. You're wrong about HTTP, URLs and DNS. Every method in the HTTP protocol takes a URL as its argument. Text markup need not be involved; that's HTML. The host part of a URL is related to DNS, but only in that both use the same FQDN format. If you used something other than DNS for name resolution, browsers would have to change but all the w3c standards would be unchanged. - Bruce Lewis from fftogo

Susan, yeah. At the TCP/IP level of the stack I left out at least one important feature, but at the WWW level I think I covered everything. :-) - Bruce Lewis from fftogo

Patricia, thanks for the details. Are you saying the sites with monetary value will be more like traditional TV? - Bruce Lewis from fftogo

Brain fart, I've been battling numerous problems with our webservers all day.. Sorry >.< URL's are just the addresses you pass onto the HTTP server (be it through user entry or the HTML code that it parses, since HTML and thus text markup is forever intertwined with HTTP, it is HyperText Transport Protocol after all ;) ). DNS is for the translation of the friendly names into the core IP addresses. - alphaxion

But I will always remind people that web != the internet.. the "web" is just the delivery of data to clients from servers using HTTP over TCP/IP. - alphaxion

A URL has the format: <scheme>:<scheme-specific-part> where schemes include http, ftp, mailto, file, etc. So it can work pretty much over anything. - Todd Hoff

todd: aye.. it's just a way of addressing a resource. Our example was just with HTTP but you are right that it can be used in many other protocols such as when I'm connecting to my DC's I'll be using ldap://dc.domain.tld - alphaxion

I've been doing Internet programming since before the WWW. You might be amused by my story of how we thought (in 1991) that the web wouldn't take off: http://friendfeed.com/e... - Bruce Lewis from fftogo

somehow this thread went too much into trivia.. social networks let us create a social dimension of our lives- whatever that implies for each of us, whether work or fun - online, using the web. That is all. This discussion whether social networks are for fun or work are equal to an idealogical discussion whether the religion is used for peaceful meditation or violence. It is what we make of it, given there are means, which there are incase of the web... - Hayk H.

"If Twitter wants to make money, it needs to do to others what they’ve been trying to do to Twitter. That is, extend its lead in market share by solving the problem of cross-platform micromessaging. With activity streams from Facebook, Microsoft, MySpace, FriendFeed, and a score of smaller players flowing over RSS, XMPP, and HTTP Push, Twitter can consolidate its power by cloning the best of its competitors’ offerings. - jfayel

AGREE with Robert Scoble... companies worth is their human team... - jfayel

DISAGREE with Robert Scoble... friendfeed team google unique root is not so superstar... more roots are better than only one... not speaking about rizhomes which largely outpass roots, bit this an other story... - jfayel

Jfayel: well just watch what happens here over next year. I bet FriendFeed will grow faster than Twitter. Which will be incredible because Twitter will continue its fast growth. - Robert Scoble

Robert - Totally agree... but there will be others that challenge as well. I just don't see a single dominant player anytime soon (if at all). - Brian Roy

FF is future - imran

jfayel, I see what you're saying about monoculture. Off the top of my head, the only non-ex-googler they have is Ben Golub. On the other hand, they've created such an open system that it would be hard to insulate them from outside ideas. - Bruce Lewis from fftogo

Bruce: if Google was their only career experience I think that might be worrying, but it's not. Also, Google is one of only a few places in the world where you can have real experience building huge web services. - Robert Scoble

Robert, I'm not worried. I'm very positive on FriendFeed. I'm just looking for valid points to consider that can keep my fanboyism in check. :-) - Bruce Lewis from fftogo

For me personally FriendFeed is becoming far more of a must visit than twitter - but both are still far above other social networks. I barely look at facebook except to reply to people's messages now. - Nation Hahn

Mona Nomura

At Gizmodo Gallery: The Lego Death Star - http://gizmodo.com/5097684...

November 24, 2008 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg - Mona Nomura from Bookmarklet

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/raises eybrow/ - Roberto Bonini

I am SO there and will Flip it for you guys. OH MY GOD. - Mona Nomura

O......M......G...... WANTAGE - Johnny Worthington

"Of course, you can come and play with it all you want, but whoever tries to steal any of its 21 minifigs is <i>dead.</i> " <-- I guess I will be murdered. - Mona Nomura

lol @L0GiX - Steven Livingstone-Pérez from twhirl

WRONG thing to ask me dude. If you or anyone tries to blend that bad ass motherfucker, *I* will personally assassinate you. - Mona Nomura from IM

I don't know Mona, I reckon you would be pretty nimble... Anyway, I'll create a diverson if you let me have one of the Imperial Guards :) - Johnny Worthington

I tried to post this for you a while ago. Guess I missed you. :) http://friendfeed.com/e... - David Cook

Worthington - let's plot! - Mona Nomura from IM

Mike Coulter

@vodafoneliveguy "Oh Birmingham, so much to answer for..." Might not have the same ring as Mozzer wanted. But appropriate all the same. No?

November 24, 2008 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

"When Jesus left Birmingham, All the disciples went crazy." - http://tinyurl.com/55493y - Steven Livingstone-Pérez from twhirl

DeWitt Clinton

Joining Google | Continuing Intermittent Incoherency - http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/2008...

November 23, 2008 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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"Starting next month, I’ll be a Googler." -Alex Russell. Welcome, Alex! - DeWitt Clinton from Bookmarklet

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It's true. He'll have to defeat a Googler in single combat before earning his wings. - DeWitt Clinton

It will just be a flesh wound. I am fine without my right arm.... just happy to have voice search! - Dion Almaer

A hearty welcome from the GWT team, Alex! - Joel Webber

Does the defeated Googler become a Xoogler? - Michael R. Bernstein

@Michael - gosh, I hope not. Otherwise I'll have to start watching my back a lot more closely. - DeWitt Clinton

i like the sound of a dojoogler. Chrome will be a pull for many i think. - Steven Livingstone-Pérez from twhirl

I'm imagining the fight scene from 'Amok Time': http://www.youtube.com/watch... ;-) - Michael R. Bernstein

Duncan Riley

Report: Twitter Turns Down $500 Million Offer From Facebook - http://www.inquisitr.com/9436...

November 24, 2008 from The Inquisitr - Comment - Like - Share

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Good for Twitter. I am not sure how much cross-over there is between Twitter users and Facebook users, but I have to imagine that Twitter would bring some new users to Facebook. On top of that, I do not see the Twitter and Facebook business models meshing very well -- Top-on-down, they are very different companies and run differently. (IMHO) - Robert Miller

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It was an offer in stock, really.... - Alexandros Georgiadis

Twitter should be making offers in stock, rather than courting them. Build an economic ecosystem, a coral reef. - Dave Winer

be interesting if all future acquisitions are in stock... lawyers only ones making real money (unless they are paid in stock ;) ) - Steven Livingstone-Pérez from twhirl

Robert Scoble

@dickmansfield it's been a while since I explained why I love FriendFeed so much. I will do a video, because it takes too much to explain.

November 22, 2008 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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robert - do you (or anyone) use the ff to twitter workflow? - Steven Livingstone-Pérez from twhirl

Yes, but I only post top-level messages, not anything else. - Robert Scoble

RWW: The Future of Tech: Sebastian Küpers

Comment-Aggregation with OpenID and Two-Way-Discovery - http://pixelsebi.com/2008-11...

November 22, 2008 - Comment - Like - Share

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"I blogged about my thoughts to have a more holistic solution approach to solve the comment-aggregation issue based on OpenID. Would love to get your feedback on my thoughts! - You (edit | delete)" - Sebastian Küpers

i run openid.org - always interested in potential applications and i like this - ben thinking about openid and commenting for a while. - Steven Livingstone-Pérez from twhirl

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