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eskitenekekutu
kısa sürdü ya.ne güzel gidiyordu. - dota
tadında bırakmışlar :) - eskitenekekutu
http://fizy.com/#s/10xmlu burdan devam ediyorum ben :D - dota
müzikleri çok neşeli ve keyifli, karı koca iyi götürüyorlar. - Timu EREN
Mokammal biseeeeeeeeee :)))) - ressart
Kısaymış. - Akif
Rodfather
If James Cromwell and Terrence Stamp had a baby.
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Hah! - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
HA!! - AJ Batac
Computing....96% match - Mo Kargas
L to the OL - Spidra Webster
Awesome! - David Cook
Dang, Rod...did that come to you in a dream? - Josh Haley
Haha. It can't be unseen now. - Rodfather
Hey you two, "BOW before Cromwell-Zod!" - Micah
Brilliant! - Anika
Wow! - Martha
Almost forgot about this. - Rodfather
So did I. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
Haha my bad - Rodfather
That is uncanny. - CarlC
Throw in a 'valley' and you're all the way there. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
Did someone mention James Cromwell? - Rodfather from iPhone
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Now we have to get Micah to pose in a General Zod jump suit. - MoTO: Team Marina
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Bret Taylor
Happy Holidays!
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dead programs don't let you like things - Roberto Bonini
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Kenndy actually makes a good point here... :) - Roberto Bonini
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Just had our first snow 45°30′N 73°34′W, Happy upcoming Holidays '13. - Zu from AOD
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Johnny
I respectfully throw myself at the feet of the Court Of FriendFeed and beg for special dispensation since I have only learnt that Friday the 5th of June is Donut Day at 1am on Saturday the 6th. I seek leave to engage in the festivities one day later to atone for my trespass on this most......... wait for it.......... holey day
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Bwahahahahaha! ROFL. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
*sets alarm for 7am... Bakery opens at 7:30am* - Johnny
i think you just earned the right to make every day holey. brilliant. - Carlos Ayala
Nom Nom NOOOMMMM. Damn you Johnny Worthington..... I need donuts now...... - Roberto Bonini
This is one of those times when FF needs a LOVE button! - Shannon - GlassMistress
So full of win! - Anthony K. Valley © from email
Already celebrating... - Manny
You doughnut-picture-posting folks are just cruel. I never buy donuts but that photo the other day with the young guy munching the donut must have worked on me subliminally cuz when I got back from lunch I discovered I had stopped at Starbucks and bought an apple fritter. - Fred Yankowski
You cannot petition the FriendFeed with donuts... - Todd Hoff
may everyday be a holey day for you :D - zsafwan 
I've decided, Johnny, that we can celebrate it today :D A holey day indeed :) - Penny
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Derrick
Calf, inked. #calfmeme
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It took FOREVER to get this picture, btw. - Derrick
Is that a banksy? - Michael R. Bernstein
It is! On the other side of my leg, I have the kissing bobbies. Too hard to snap a pic, though. Thanks, Meg! - Derrick
Bump for Jason. - Derrick
holly #ravingfangirl
come on, DNS! propagate! propagate!
Don't wanna. Come back in 2 hours. - Jennifer Dittrich
slacker DNS. - holly #ravingfangirl
DNS taking a nap, come back later. - Joe "The Anvil" Pierce
*stomps off* - holly #ravingfangirl
IT IS DONE. - holly #ravingfangirl
Scoble, Alex Scoble
I really wish that they had added the ability to like individual comments on friendfeed.
Word. - CarlC
I thought this many times today. - Heather
I think those kinds of features distract from the conversation. Although, I guess it does avoid a me-to pile-up, but really, a like of a comment is only one bit -- there's no saying why it was liked. Good point? Agreement? - Andy Bakun
+1. - Louis Gray
I think that kind of feature can actually help keep the conversation on track. Instead of adding stuff like "I like what Bobo said" to a comment thread, people can just mark the comment liked, and then only comments that truly add to a conversation will be in the stream. - MiniMage
Good for polling as well... - CarlC
Majento
Gilad Shalit in captivity - SUBTITLED 02.10.2009 גלעד שליט מהשבי #GiladShalit - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Gilad Shalit in captivity - SUBTITLED 02.10.2009 גלעד שליט מהשבי #GiladShalit
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hoping to see Gilad highlighted here: http://www.youtube.com/news - Majento
The music is not part of the original video, it was added by a user on YouTube. - Majento
1388 Days gone by http://ff.im/izOhZ - Majento
1393 - Majento
1400 days in captivity | http://goo.gl/zXZT (Video/Hebrew) - Majento
1420 | May 16 2010 - Majento
1427 | May 22 2010 - Majento
1429 | May 24 2010 - Majento
1463 | June 27 2010 | 4 years have passed and Gilad is still in captivity. Hamas still not allowing the Red Cross to visit him and make sure he is held in reasonable conditions. - Majento
1466 | July 01 2010 - Majento
He is still alive. We continue to pray for his release. - Debby Bruck
1471 | July 5 2010 - Majento
1498 | August 2 2010 - Majento
1500 Days in captivity | August 3 2010 - Majento
1508 | August 12 2010 | http://Gilad.org - Majento
Keep hope alive - Debby Bruck
1515 | August 18 2010 - Majento
1542 | September 14 2010 - Majento
1556 | September 28 2010 - Majento
1580 | October 22 2010 - Majento
1692 | February 11 2011 - Majento
1701 | February 20 2011 - Majento
1724 | March 15 2011 | 11:06 | Israel observes 5 minutes for Gilad Shalit http://www.ynetnews.com/article... - Majento
June 25 2011 | The count today is 1825 days, 5 full years of captivity! This week Hamas rejected the Red Cross request for a visit, a sign of life... - Majento
Keep up the watch. - Akiva
October 11 2011 - Important news is finally out: A deal is being pushed ahead, media says Gliad Shalit may return to his family within few days. I can't describe in words how happy i am to hear this... [Update] - "Israel, Hamas: Gilad Shalit to be swapped for Palestinian prisoners" http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011... - Majento
sofarsoShawn
Some of those damn kinky squirrels!!!
Some of those damn kinky squirrels!!!
inspired by http://ff.im/rmv7w :) - sofarsoShawn from iPhone
excelente SPA! greeting - terapyspum
that reminds me of my spa story, it's sorta Seinfeld-esque..."it"...moved...and yeah... - sofarsoShawn
Hahahahaha - Charlie Anzman
Ha,ha, it is the idea of development of the guys in article, when they become residents of urbanized clusters of places in a high developed state. Hi, sofarsoShawn, I like ScFi, very much :-)Have a good Sunday! - Slavomira
Alvin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Roberto Bonini
I don't know why this is kinky. I'd like to get some :) - See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
not this necessarily, but I was referring to my own spa "experience" above, annnnnd I wasn't even in Thailand etc! And that's not even the weirdest part, but I'm too proper to say - sofarsoShawn from iPhone
beautifull. - terapyspum
Mary Carmen
Here's the conclusion I came to last night: This is my body. While it reserves the right to look slightly different on a daily basis and may look way different 3-6 months from now, it is mine and this is what I look like. I will stop hating it. I will love me for who I am not what I look like. If people want to judge or dislike me because....
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...I have wide hips, an ass and some thick thighs, then they can go screw themselves. I'm tired of beating myself up. I have a good life. I have friends who love me. I have a man who loves me for me and doesn't care that I am soft in all the wrong/right places. I have a loving and supportive family. I have no idea why I make myself miserable other than it's always been that way, and I say it's time to end that. I will still work towards living a healthier lifestyle because I feel good when I do, not because a scale has shamed me into feeling guilty. That relationship is over. Spring cleaning has begun! - Mary Carmen
Hello, beautiful. :) - Steven Perez
I think you rock but then I am biased. Good Morning Mary. - Comics Forge
About g'd time. - ♫Robot Chicken, Trainer♫ from iPod
Good morning, pretty lady! - B. LB.
what glen said, and Steven, and Junebug, and LB and... - Jim: with more caffeine!
Thanks, y'all are awesome! - Mary Carmen
You look damn good to me! xoxox - Melly
Mary you are the best!! - Just Val
the old saying goes I am responsible for my happiness today. And you have alot of good things going on so enjoy them. Your man, your family, your FFers and of course yours shoes. Happy Good Friday my friend. - Just Val
oh and waving from Riverhead - Just Val
HI VAL! - Mary Carmen
:D keep up the good work you look MMMMMMarvelous - Just Val
btw, awesome hair style. - Steve C Team Marina
Yep, Mary, you are doing it awesomely. Great post. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
You look fabulous, Mary Carmen! And you ARE fabulous. - tab
i can dig it - cysko
Happy Friday, you very smart woman. - Jenica
Great to see such self-acceptance. - Meryn Stol
I think you're beautiful, just as you are. And, if you think you're beautiful, then you will be. If you think you're ugly, then you will be. Your outsides reflect what you feel on the inside, so continue to be positive about your body, because there's nothing wrong with how you look. - Cassandra
Good girl! You're a beautiful woman! It's always the hardest to clean out the junk between the ears than our houses. Continue your fabulousness! - Hedgehog
*blushes* thank you all. could not do this at all without all your support. - Mary Carmen
***********HUG*********** - Ayşe E.
Noms, that's all I gots to say. - Scott. Cat Herder.
Let me clarify, I think you are beautiful, have a beautiful body, and should be ashamed of nothing. - Scott. Cat Herder.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL - Mary Carmen
<3 - AJ Batac
Hear, hear. - laura x
That's awesome. It's going to sound really stupid, but I've been going through the same "overcoming body shame" thing too, lately. Right on, MC!!! (and for the record, you are way better than me at dressing in a flattering way) - Lo
I continue to hold the opinion: *swoooooon* - Johnny
We all have the right to be proud of however we look. Awesome on you for getting there! :) - Heather
*gives MC a standing ovation with a few W00Ts thrown in* - vicster: full-bodied
internal beauty is what counts in life, not superficial fake...these warm comments should make clear what ppl think about u :-) - کاوه
Thank you! - Mary Carmen
You're beautiful and loving yourself makes you even more so. - topernic
This is proof that the outside matches the inside. - Ha3rvey (on hiatus)
Great advice for anyone and a great new attitude! - Paulette
Hi! I don't know you really, but we've 'talked' a couple of times, and I've lurked around a bit. Please forgive me when I tell you that I'm completely jealous of your haircut. It is soooooo cute. I have a weak chin (well 2 or 3 of them :) ), so I have never been able to rock a page boy. I'm sorry that you had a winter of corporal discontent, but you seem like you're recovering well!!! I think that since I can't manage the pretty hair, I will copy the pretty attitude. Happy Easter, and wonderful spring! - Charleen Mullenweg
Thanks, Charleen! It's an asymmetrical bob and I love it. I part it way on the side and flat-iron it. I love it and I'm definitely asking my dude to cut it shorter next time. I think it is a haircut that a lot of different facial types can wear. - Mary Carmen
I want to "like" this again. :) - B. LB.
Right the eff on! And, thank you. - Maria Niles
Well done Mary. You look fabulous - Technogran
Hi Mary! I love librarians & libraries!! I don't care what shape or color they come in!! Have a great day! :) - Harold Cabezas
Well, ya look gorgeous to me - Marianne
THANK YOU! - Mary Carmen
So am I, Eric ;-) - Mary Carmen
Being comfortable in your own skin is the biggest challenge anyone can face. While self improvement is always a nice goal, loving yourself for being yourself is awesome. Congrats to you! </pseudo-philosophicalism> - Mike Nayyar
This thread makes me incredibly happy and grateful for all you wonderful people. - Mary Carmen
UR DOIN IT RITE - Michael R. Bernstein
I'm know I'm late to the party MC, but I'm loving this. What Glen said. Oh, and RAWR. - MoTO: Team Marina
Thank you, Barry! - Mary Carmen
Nothing sexier than a confident woman. Period. - iTad
Tad + 1 - Oguz Serdar
I'll cosign Tad and add intelligent. - MoTO: Team Marina
Y'all are way too good to me. - Mary Carmen
you make it easy - MoTO: Team Marina
*blushes* - Mary Carmen
DO ANYBODY NO WHY I AM *JUST NOW* HITTING THE LIKE BUTTON... I mean, DAAA-YAM #Imustbeslippin - MoTO: Team Marina
roflmao - Mary Carmen
So say we all. - Ron Bailey
*Clapping hands* There we go. - WooEB
*Jumps and cheers!* - Mary B: #TeamMonique
Two thumbs waaaaaaaaay up! - DB, Lil LB's Dad
Is there a Gorgeous Big Broads room on FF? Maybe there needs to be. - Mary B: #TeamMonique
Lol...THERE SHOULD BE - Mary Carmen
well said! - - SportyGeek Adj.
Bumping myself because I *really* *REALLY* need this reminder today. - Mary Carmen
MC You look great. Self image is a bitch though I agree. - A Gunny named Slickback
This. - Absentee
Here's the thing that I always yell at myself about: I've been through so much physically, you'd think I would just be happy to be breathing. But some days, I get all on myself about stupid shit. - Mary Carmen
You are beautiful, no matter what your head says ;). - Scott. Cat Herder.
100% Agree with Just. Scott. - Carlton Hackett
Just. Scott. is a very wise man. - Ha3rvey (on hiatus)
This thread was a big pile of Awwww right when I needed it. Rock on, MC! - Lo
Bumping because I need this reminder right now. - Mary Carmen
*hugs* This is my struggle as well. :) - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart from Android
Same here. - Corinne L
Maitani
How taking an active role in learning enhances memory - http://www.sciencedaily.com/release...
How taking an active role in learning enhances memory
""Having active control over a learning situation is very powerful and we're beginning to understand why," said University of Illinois psychology professor Neal Cohen, who led the study with postdoctoral researcher Joel Voss. "Whole swaths of the brain not only turn on, but also get functionally connected when you're actively exploring the world."" - Maitani from Bookmarklet
"The study focused on activity in several brain regions, including the hippocampus, located in the brain's medial temporal lobes, near the ears. Researchers have known for decades that the hippocampus is vital to memory, in part because those who lose hippocampal function as a result of illness or injury also lose their ability to fully form and retain new memories." - Maitani
This is indeed interesting. :-) - Maitani
This is so interesting ... - Sepi ⌘ سپی
Adriano
Holometer :: if reality is a hologram, then it should be pixelated . [Fermilab experiment] - http://www.popsci.com/science...
Holometer :: if reality is a hologram, then it should be pixelated . [Fermilab experiment]
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"The universe-as-hologram theory is predicated on the idea that spacetime is not perfectly smooth, but becomes discrete and pixelated as you zoom in. Under this theory, the universe actually exists in two dimensions and the third is an illusion produced by the intertwining of time and depth. Fermilab particle astrophysicist Craig Hogan and his team are building a “holometer” to magnify spacetime and see if it is indeed as noisy as the math suggests it might be at higher resolution. A “holographic interferometer,” will split laser beams and measure the difference in frequencies between the two identical beams. But unlike conventional interferometers, the holometer will measure for noise or interference in spacetime itself." - Adriano from Bookmarklet
Some stuff to look into... "There is strong evidence that the area of any surface limits the information content of adjacent spacetime regions, at 10^(69) bits per square meter." “The Holographic Principle” – a 2002 review article by Raphael Bousso: http://arxiv.org/abs... \ Lectures on the Holographic Principle given in 1999 by Bigatti & Susskind: http://arxiv.org/abs... \ Lecture given by Nobel winner Gerard ‘t Hooft in 1999: http://arxiv.org/abs... - Adriano
30 June 2011 : ESA Integral hasn’t found any quantum fuzziness, contradicting the interpretation of the GEO600 results, indicating that the pixelation of spacetime, if it exists, is considerably smaller than predicted. http://www.esa.int/esaCP... - Adriano
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Victor Ganata
Are there any libertarians who think property gained from colonialism is illegitimate and therefore there is a duty to rectify this?
I doubt it. That would still be regulation, wouldn't it? - Eivind
I know anarchists would definitely be against this, but if a minarchist has a belief in the sanctity of property rights, I would imagine this would be an issue. - Victor Ganata
Almost all property was either gained by the sword, inherited by someone who did so, or bought from one one of those. The house of cards would collapse. - Eivind
Inheritance and purchase would be legitimate means of transfer. Seizure by force would not. I'm sure there are some colonialists who tried to do things the right way, right? - Victor Ganata
But it's been inherited and purchased since, no? I'm just saying that almost all land worldwide has been gained illegally/by force at some point in the past. - Eivind
Right, but if you buy or inherit stolen property, my understanding is that that doesn't legitimize your claim. - Victor Ganata
You'd have to go back before recorded history in many cases, certainly back before transaction and lineage records. - Tinfoil 2.0
Depends what you mean by stolen. Land won by force and then inherited becomes legitimate property after a while. - Eivind
Define: a while. - Tinfoil 2.0
What's the statute of limitations on raping and pillaging? And mating with the locals. - Tinfoil 2.0
A while cannot be defined here. It's legitimate when the government says it's legally yours, right? - Eivind
Was that last question for me, LogEx? - Eivind
It was just for anyone, put out there because I think it's an inherently difficult problem except for the most recent of transgressions. - Tinfoil 2.0
Then we agree. - Eivind
I would posit that if the previous holder or their heir can show a clear title to stolen property (My father lived in that house and was driven from it by force), there would be a duty to restore it to them, but if all you have is a cultural claim (My ancestors lived in these mountains before they were driven off by force) it would be impossible to establish a rightful owner, so title would remain with the current owner. - Alex Scrivener
Given that property rights, titles, and claims are a Western concept, it does seem to favor certain groups over others, is all I'm saying. I actually don't believe that certain forms of claim should be inherently more legitimate than others. That's just stacking the deck. - Victor Ganata
It isn't just a colonial issue. People have been driven from their homes in Europe for millennia. My ancestors were driven from England for being Catholic. - Alex Scrivener
Anyway, realistically speaking, States ultimately enforce property rights, so I suppose it depends on the particular State you live in. - Victor Ganata
But, yeah, sometimes I find myself pondering the notion that I suppose this means all use of force prior to today is legitimate, whereas all use of force from this point on is illegitimate. - Victor Ganata
Why on earth would it mean that? We can easily point to the Roman conquest of Gaul as illegitimate, but also acknowledge that there is no one with a claim on restoration. - Alex Scrivener
circular arguments in favor of recent property rights and thus libertarian philosophy are hardly useful. My ownership is without stipulation forever or all ownership is by nature merely tenacy and subject to any regulation at any time - WarLord
True, but that's mostly because there isn't anyone who considers themself the legitimate heir to some ancient Gallic tribe. But when there is someone with a claim to restoration? The State has to decide, no? - Victor Ganata
No, the State is the only one in a position to enforce a restoration through threat or application of violence. They do not legitimize the claim. - Alex Scrivener
Who then determines legitimacy? - Victor Ganata
The Moapa Tribe in Nevada have a pretty good case for prior ownership of Las Vegas. Why shouldn't they be compensated if property rights is so important - WarLord
No one determines legitimacy. A claim is either legitimate or it isn't. People and organizations merely make a study of the case try to uncover that legitimacy. They can be right or wrong about it. - Alex Scrivener
That's what I mean by determining legitimacy. - Victor Ganata
But that means a Gov decides a property right? Property is regulated, so Nisei claims to So Cal might be paid - WarLord
A state does not create a right, it only defends them (or fails to, as the case my be). Ownership preexists the state,and continues to exist independently of acknowledgement or defense by the state. That is why we can say the state was wrong to take the land of the Moapa tribe. If your concept of rights derives wholly from the state, you cannot say the state takes anything illegitimately. - Alex Scrivener
I'm not arguing about the existence of the right to own private property. My OP presupposes its existence. What I'm asking is, when two people advance proof of legitimate claim for a piece of land, by what mechanism is it determined whose claim is actually legitimate? If not by the operation of the State, then who? - Victor Ganata
That is prudential decision. The best method of investigation is best determined by experts in investigation. Standards of proof seem to be functions of cultural norms and common law. If you want the state to enforce your claim, you need to convince the state. How you do that would depend on the state in question. - Alex Scrivener
If a right exists, it exists not subject to regulation or modifying. If this supposed right is subject to the state its not a right its a license given and revokable - WarLord
Correct. - Alex Scrivener
Then the Moapa prior claim needs to be enforced or there is no inherent right to Property - WarLord
The right is independent of enforcement, otherwise how could you claim the state illegitimately took the land? I am sure they signed some paperwork making it legal. Rights don't disappear just because they are violated. - Alex Scrivener
umm that is utterly silly Alex of course a right violated is gone! Inability to enforce makes a right rather pointless. And further if we can't acertain a chain of ownership then we are merely tenats given license by State or county to occupy a piece of land at their sufference and at our own risk. We really don't own something like property we merely occupy it temporarily until the next owner shows up - WarLord
What is a title or deed if not the formalization of your ownership by the State? This can't be the only way to prove legitimacy of a claim to ownership, otherwise, property ownership is not actually a right, but a privilege granted by the State. - Victor Ganata
I think the main problems in making restitution for ancient crimes are (1) you punish those who had no part in the crime (namely, the current occupants of the land), and (2) there is no way to *prove* that those making the claim to the land would have still had the land were it not for that *one* incident for which restitution is being made - that is, they may have lost it to someone else, migrated, etc. - Kevin L
[My opinion:] A title or deed is a formal record of the acceptance of your claim by those charged with administering such functions, whose power is entrusted them by the general populace, who do not wish to be bothered with every such minor issue. - Kevin L
It's not punishment because you are benefitting from property that is not rightly yours. It's merely justice. Anyway, it's not like States never try to restore ancient property rights. Just look at Israel. - Victor Ganata from iPhone
Ahh, I forgot that punishment is not part of justice. Oops! </sarcasm> And you didn't ask about States doing it, you asked about libertarian philosophy regarding it. - Kevin L
More to the point about punishment: if the land had been taken back from the person who originally stole it and was benefitting from what was not rightly his, you would call it punishment. But if it is taken from someone to who received it much later after many transactions, it's not punishment? - Kevin L
To summarize, the libertarian position is that if one has a legitimate claim on stolen property, you have a right to get it back, regardless of if it was stolen by an individual, a state, or a colonizing empire. If you do not have a legitimate claim on property, you don't get to take it, no matter the legitimacy of the current ownership. What is the authoritarian position, Victor? - Alex Scrivener
I don't know Alex. I'm not an authoritarian. - Victor Ganata
Fair enough, Kevin. I thought it you were insinuating that it would be unjust punishment. It's not. If you buy stolen property, even that you were unaware it was such, that doesn't legitimize your claim. - Victor Ganata
It can't be disputed that many States engage in war with the premise that they are protecting private property rights. It's not like private individuals and corporations have never dragged States into conflict. - Victor Ganata
if i unwittingly buy something that later turns out to have been stolen by the person who sold it, i fully expect to lose this property and have it returned to the rightful owner. if i am fortunate i might get what i paid back from the seller/fence/thief. - Big Joe Silence
Say a very large, very valuable gem had been taken from Africa 200 years ago, and had been sold and passed on many times in that space. Would you say the current holder of that gem has to relinquish rights to someone who can show that he descended from the tribe that occupied that land 200 years ago? That's kind of the situation with land rights and colonization, in my mind. - Kevin L
But, back to the OP, Alex, what you state is how I understand the libertarian position. That is why I ask if there are libertarians who believe property forcefully seized during colonization must be returned to their rightful owners. - Victor Ganata
as for land ownership, in more than a few countries you can never actually own the land. it's merely leased to you by the government and can be seized again without warning or recourse. that seizure happens in the US as well, tho. it's just given a nifty name to make it sound fair. - Big Joe Silence
If someone steals the Crown Jewels, manages to fence them, and I buy them, what are the odds that the Queen is not going to get her property back via perfectly legal means? - Victor Ganata
She has clear title. - Alex Scrivener
I don't think there's one libertarian definition for anything. In my mind, libertarianism means lack of coercion, by the government or any other entity. I'm not sure how property exists without a threat of coercion in some form. - iTad
Tad, force is usually allowed in defense. Property cannot be *taken* without force. - Kevin L
If no one else is in possession of it, it can be. - iTad
Which depends on what you mean by "in possession of" - Victor Ganata
Also, it depends on who's defining "defense." Some consider taxation coercion, but others may consider it a defensive thing to protect society in general. - iTad
Victor, if someone has a legitimate claim on property, it should be returned to them. How one determines what constitutes a legitimate claim is a separate and more or less unrelated question. In most colonial situations, it is impossible to establish a claim of prior ownership after a few centuries of forced relocation and nation-scale murder, so there is no one to press a claim. - Alex Scrivener
I have a feelng that many Native Americans would dispute the notion that there is no one to press those claims. And they're not the only ones. - Victor Ganata
Whether or not they have a claim is irrelevant. They also need the ability to push that claim through, make it recognized and enforce it. - iTad
Legitimacy is a mile wide escape hole. With sufficiently clever rationalization there will never be a legitimate reason to give up ones property, which is what we are seeing in this argument. - Todd Hoff
It isn't irrelevant. The question was do we have a duty to restore stolen property. The answer is yes, assuming we can find a legitimate claimant to the property. If the question were "Which body has the power to take and redistribute whatever they want however they want?" we could talk about practical considerations. - Alex Scrivener
While recognition of the duty of returning stolen property is closer to the heart of my question, again, I'm specifically enquiring as to whether or not there are actual people who call themselves libertarian and think it is the legitimate role of the State to restore property that was unjustly seized during colonization. I would be interested in learning more about them if they exist. - Victor Ganata
That would be very unfair to the Veneti. - Eivind
There are people who call themselves libertarian who think that, given an understanding of colonialism that includes recent enough events that clear title has been maintained. Like in Tibet. - Alex Scrivener from Android
How so, in Tibet? - Victor Ganata from iPhone
Steven Perez
Balloon Juice » Nobody Loves You When You’re Down and Out - http://www.balloon-juice.com/2011...
"The Weiner scandal has progressed from kindergarten (“boys have a PENIS and girls have a VAGINA”) into about 8th grade, with the Times writing about Weiner’s friendlessness in Congress. Disinterested parties like Peter King line up to tell us that Weiner’s “brash style” has alienated Wiener from the rest of the Democratic caucus, which is why he’s eating at the lunch table by himself, and no Democrats have stepped up to defend him." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
"I realize we’re all sick of the Wiener scandal, but I have to point out how quickly the church of the savvy insiders morphed into the revival meeting of the credulous hacks. A savvy insider would know that there isn’t a politician on earth who wouldn’t throw a colleague under the bus for sending around dick pics. Isn’t it time for some long-time DC insider to dust off Truman’s adage, “If you want a friend in Washington, buy a dog”?" - Steven Perez
"As for the “brash” and “uncooperative” bullshit, see McCain, John. The press loves useless hacks who don’t play well in groups and tell tales out of school because they make good copy. If Weiner’s deportment was such a major issue, why is it only surfacing now?" - Steven Perez
"It’s easy to ding the media for reporting on politics like celebrity journalists, but they’re not even that good. At least the Superficial and TMZ don’t lie to their readers about how the Hollywood game is played in order to flog another day’s worth of clicks out of a dead horse of a story." - Steven Perez
That close-up of the naked erect dick? That's a huge problem any way you look at it (and I would prefer not to look at it at all -- way too much information about Weiner, thank you). Weiner himself has made it likely that many people in public life are not going to treat him with respect and dignity. And the hitting on very young, borderline legal girls, combined with the porno photos... more... - Sean McBride
If Clinton and Lewinsky had photographed their activities and circulated those photos on the net, Clinton would not have survived Monicagate. The self-destructiveness of this guy (Weiner) is really amazing. He has aspired to be a powerful and important public figure and national leader. There are more demanding rules in that sphere than for private people. - Sean McBride
So, you're saying that photographing a dick is somehow more egregious than actually committing a sex act? - Steven Perez
What I am saying is that most Americans don't want to see photos of the dicks of their political leaders. Circulating such photos is the kiss of death, politically speaking. Weiner is now a permanent joke in American politics. - Sean McBride
And, by the way, Clinton's relationship with a real woman in privacy certainly strikes me as much less pathetic than Weiner's behavior. Bill Maher was dead on on this subject last night -- look up the show if you missed it. - Sean McBride
"Most Americans ..." That sounds an awful lot like "some people are saying ..." Clearly, sir, you are not familiar with this thing called the internet, where people's dicks, among other things are common currency. - Steven Perez
So this *is* all about moralizing, then? Actually doing the deed is less nasty, somehow. Geez, when did we become such a nation of tight-asses? - Steven Perez
Hey -- I have nothing against cyber sex -- it's better than nothing when the real thing isn't available. :) But *public figures* need to be really careful about how they indulge themselves in that sphere. It's a question of practical politics and self-interest, not morality. - Sean McBride
I think, then, that your distaste for the man himself colors your viewpoint. Hell, I don't think Vitter should lose his job because he likes to frequent prostitutes that look like his wife; I think he should lose his job because he thinks giving health insurance to kids is less important than giving money to oil companies. - Steven Perez
Let me be absolutely clear about this: adults should be free to express themselves sexually on the Internet with other adults in any legal way that provides them with mutual pleasure. But that is not the issue here. The Weiner case is all about hardball politics. - Sean McBride
And frankly, I expect that kind of moralizing from the GOP and the Right. The fact that it's coming from his own party (again) says more about their fear of losing their seats than of his actually crime. - Steven Perez
I am not saying that Weiner should resign over this issue -- I don't care about his sex life. I am saying (1) that I think he will be forced to resign because of the overall political dynamics in play, and (2) that I won't miss him in the least if he does resign. His politics are a mess and don't add up. He is a neocon in progressive clothing. - Sean McBride
Sorry, Sean. Unlike some people (*coughJonahGoldbergcough*), with me all bets are final. :D - Steven Perez
Rene -- why is it that so few Democrats fail to understand the vital connection between foreign and domestic policy? The multi-trillion dollar wars that the neoconservative wing of the Israel lobby continues to promote are bankrupting the United States and guaranteeing the collapse of the social services which Democrats purport to support. Democrats like Anthony Weiner cannot... more... - Sean McBride
Garry Tan
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WarLord
Krugman Rule by Rentiers http://www.nytimes.com/2011... Krugman explains the Pain Caucus and the simple why of unemplo… (cont) http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter...
quoy=te: "...But the reality is just the opposite: creditor-friendly policies are crippling the economy. This is a negative-sum game, in which the attempt to protect the rentiers from any losses is inflicting much larger losses on everyone else. And the only way to get a real recovery is to stop playing that game." - WarLord
Josh Ellis
How TV Ruined Aspiration: why don't we have a @charltonbrooker in the US? http://www.stumbleupon.com/su...
Code For America
Code For America
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Alex Scrivener
Only one of my brothers is actually retarded, but sometimes I suspect the others are borderline.
"How many fingers are in a minute?" - Alex Scrivener from iPhone
One or two, it depends on how you decide to handle the digits. - NOT THE CRICKET
"It's not called a fry, it's a chip! The British call them chips!" "Where are we again?" - Alex Scrivener
I don't give a damn where we are; I follow international standards. :P - NOT THE CRICKET
"Are you ready to go to Chuck E Cheese for my birthday today?!" "Today?" I mean tomorrow." "Tomorrow?" "I mean the day after tomorrow! Just shut up!" - Alex Scrivener
Look here, I don't care that it's not my birthday. Can we go to Chuck E. Cheese for my birthday, today, tomorrow, and the next day, and maybe even the day after that? That would be the best birthday party ever, I can crawl around in the tunnels, eat pizza, and have lots and lots of fun. - NOT THE CRICKET
"Eww, this ice tea went BAD! I am dumping it out." "Hey, where did all of my ice coffee go?" - Alex Scrivener
Dude, don't make me laugh so hard; I've already gotten two noise complaints. - MiniMage
"Stop humming." "My mouth is closed, you can't hear me!" "I can hear you hum with your mouth closed. Stop it." "You can not, my mouth isn't even open!" "Just be quiet!" "I AM BEING QUIET!" *punch* - Alex Scrivener
this is what brothers do - MiniMage
"Ok, I get it. I understood you the first time you told me. You don't have to keep telling over and over and over and over. Just tell me once and I will get it. I'm not an idiot you know. I'm not dumb. Just say it once, you won't have to tell me again. I am really good at understanding things. You didn't need to keep going on and on and on and on and on with details, just tell me once." "SHUT UP!" - Alex Scrivener
*starts laughing again* This new one reminds me of my mother's complaining for at least 45 minutes about how I just kept complaining and complaining :). Aren't families cool? - MiniMage
"Hey, we both have glasses now. It's like we are brothers!" "Yeah! Wait, haven't we always been brothers?" - Alex Scrivener from iPhone
"How do you spell 'GMail'?" "You can't spell GMail?!" "Well, just give me the first letter." - Alex Scrivener
LOL... - Sascha Wasek
You should open a humor site: "Alex's silly brother.". Alex Scoble could contribute there, too ;) - Jemm
"What's for dinner?" "Stew. And if I hear one complaint I will beat you." "But Mom..." "Do you want a beating?" "No." - Alex Scrivener from iPhone
Hmm. "Shit My Brothers Say"... - Michael R. Bernstein
"How long does it take to drown a lemon?" - Alex Scrivener
More details on that one here: http://ff.im/pgv7Y - Alex Scrivener
Not a quote, but one of them destroyed a Camaro Z28 by hydroplaning the whole car through 3 feet of water. Not only did he suck a few dozen gallons of water into the intake, the car was floating. - Alex Scrivener
poor Camaro... but funny! - Sascha Wasek
"There is nothing to read in this house," says my 7yo brother, who lives here: https://friendfeed.com/the-boo... - Alex Scrivener
Hm, they said the same thing :-) - Todd Hoff
In their defense, that library wasn't built until after he was born. - Alex Scrivener
"I sometimes wish I lived in Texas. But I bet if I did live in Texas' I would just wish I lived in America instead." - Alex Scrivener
"Dad, I think I am growing up! I found a hair in my nose today!" - Alex Scrivener
"Do you have any friends?" "You mean cousins?" - Alex Scrivener
I am not blaming him for not having friends. I am blaming him for not knowing what friends are. - Alex Scrivener
Liz McLellan
A Neo-Progressive Manifesto | eaves.ca http://eaves.ca/2009... #p2
Mark Smith
Turning Vim into a modern Python IDE. http://sontek.net/turning...
whit
"fuck you I just got you a beer" #pylonscon http://twitpic.com/4r5v88
"fuck you I just got you a beer" #pylonscon http://twitpic.com/4r5v88
Paul Buchheit
"It's a tautology to say that normal people are the most suggestible, since it's because they're the most suggestible that they're the most normal!" - Impro
Hi Paul. I'm sorry to bother you but i have serious issue related with friendfeed. Someone is impersonating me at this profile; http://friendfeed.com/alikeri... and he/she is using my real life information, phone number and my own pictures to insult me. Unfortunately, this fake profile already listed in Google search under my name and i'm having a hard time in these days. I already reported this issue with using ff contact form but it's not resolved. Could you help me? - Monad Teodise
this suggests that the difference between suggestible and normal is more connotation than denotation. - Clare Dibble
I think it's tautology to suggest that normal people even exist. Have you ever met a normal person? I haven't. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Some people are more normal than others. - Paul Buchheit
Alex, how would you know? Do you have a known standard for normalcy that none have yet attained? I think 'normal' is like 'opposite' in that the term only makes sense if you look at a limited number of axes at a time. Blue is the opposite of red but they're both colors and thus the same. A person normal in every regard would probably be quite unusual for that feat alone. - Kevin Fox
I'm the most normal, suggestible Mark Trapp living in Portland, Oregon I'm aware of. - Mark Trapp
Kevin, I base my opinion on aggregated statistics among other things. After all, how many people do you know who have 2.7 kids? - Scoble, Alex Scoble from YouFeed
I like Paul's answer though. - Scoble, Alex Scoble from YouFeed
Normal != average - Kevin Fox
I tend to read "suggestible" as "open to new ideas", causing this quote not to make sense to me. - Bruce Lewis
What does normal mean then, Kevin? - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Normal applies to samples and populations, average applies to individual data points? - Victor Ganata
If you find someone who fits in to the normal distribution for all characteristics and interests, let me know. I consider someone to not be normal (and this is a good thing, I think normal sucks and doesn't exist) if even one characteristic or interest is outside the norm. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
If you're inside the Bell curve, even if you're in one of the tails, you're still technically normal. You can be normal and be nowhere near average. Like, you might be 6 foot 11 inches, and that's technically normal, although that's almost half a foot taller than average. Whereas, if you were 15 foot 11 inches, that's not normal. - Victor Ganata
Everything's inside the bell curve, some are just more standard deviations away from the mean. - Tinfoil 2.0
True, but with real sample sets in nature, you don't usually get way out there. There are no 15 footers playing in the NBA today. - Victor Ganata
I'm highly suggestible and have never been normal. - Ruchira S. Datta
'Average' has tighter bounds than 'normal' in common usage. Everyone who is 'average looking' is 'normal looking' but not everyone who looks normal is average. You can be a normal person without being an average person. Being above or below average doesn't make you abnormal. You'd have to be further along the curve than that. - Kevin Fox
Paul Buchheit
RT @paulg: It's remarkable what a large percentage of our advice at Y Combinator is either "Just tell them" or "Just ask them."
That's a lot of the advice I give to a lot of people. - Gabe
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