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Facebook Wave: Why Facebook Should Clone Google Wave - http://mashable.com/2009...
fb can't touch Wave simply 'cause Wave's opensource, something the nutjobs at fb will never do.
- vijay
@vijay http://developers.facebook.com/opensou... they've done some good things to be fair
- Matt Randles
ha! I wanted to say they were the exceptions to the rule but after going through the list of projects I realized it's not even that... they were open sourced simply for the side effect of getting more devs to work on them.
- vijay
postlinearity, the sarcasm tag... you forgot to add it =P
- vijay
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- Matt Randles
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worth a mention - also applies to other potentially similar applications!
- Matt Randles
Shhh, don't tell the spammers, SEO experts, the bots, or the social media experts, but I will follow anyone who comments here (on FF):
Charles Lau, Durukan Duru, Lucretia Pruitt and 145 other people liked this
No comment. (disabling comments on this thread - that would be funny :D)
- Micah Wittman
Micah: I'm already following you! :-)
- Robert Scoble
is a like the equivalent of a comment? And by follow you mean on FF or on Twitter or on both?
- Sean Scott
Sean: not really because if you comment I can see if I'm already following you. And, yes, I mean on FF.
- Robert Scoble
Hello :)
- Brandon Roeder
That's really awesome of you, Robert!
- Harald Nesland
Spammers ruined email and now they are hitting Twitter in a major way. How can we stop this scum?
- Chris Rodgers
Beau: I'm already following you.
- Robert Scoble
Awesome. Hi Robert :)
- Andy Parkinson
It's an ugly world when Scoble stops autofollowing.
- Michelle MacPhearson
Did FriendFeed make you say this?
- Social Nerdia
No love for SEO experts? AWESOME.
- Than R
@robert i think we're already following each other on FF. :P
- Sean Scott
Thanks for posting Robert. I enjoy reading your material.
- Allen S.
Didn't send that one from Twitter. ;-)
- Kathy Fitch
Are you openly admitting to being easy?
- Lydia Sugarman
I am not a bot, I am a human being!!!
- Daniel Buckley
@stevenmhall likes this -- thanks for your work. and the great green picture
- steven
Nothing more to say
- Mel Buckpitt
I already follow you, but interesting experiment
- Cam
I just gave you "High Five"! Check it out: http://bit.ly/5sHMZ You should send me a gift back ;)
- Louis Gray
✔ Thx for ☛ Follow :-) Good idea. I do not speak to those things anyway
- RetiredTeacherD
SocialNerdia: no.
- Robert Scoble
really? neat...
- Jorge Chapa
Follow Sunday? ;)
- Ideas At Random
LOL ... this is fun.
- Richard Laksana
At least I'm not the only one who thinks SEO isn't everything.
- Leon Bacud
Hmm… I may just be more active in FriendFeed.
- Evan Hindra
The above is an actual DM spam I got today. :)
- Louis Gray
Leon: if you abuse SEO types they send Google Hate your way, which, by the way, is the same thing as Google Juice.
- Robert Scoble
neat idea!
- Aloke Fernandes
So we get to be in the cool club? Yay! ;)
- Vicky Teinaki
watching this list expand is more fun than anything on TV right now.
- steven
But Robert what will all the Bots do without your input.
- Pentaxfan
This is fun! lol. Follow me! @thehenry
- TheHenry
Is Google juice akin to Google Kool-Aid?
- Stefan Holmes
evangelizing aint ya
- Luka
I think Robots get a bad rap ;)
- Robert J Taylor
from iPhone
What's this FriendFeed thing? Back to my safe, comfy home on Twitter.
- Dan Grossman
I expected more comments, oh thats the idea :-) shhh everyone
- Andrew Nimick
Is there something to be gained by following someone on both FF & Twitter?
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
WT?? @pogmohoin needs to be loved again.. now how did you do this cleanout again?? Australia Out..
- Pogmohoin
I'm already in but i wanted to get in the fun!
- Fee501st
I just noticed that Scobleizer unfollowed but am glad it was for the above reason and he unfollowed a lot
- Allen MacCannell
I am all flesh and bones Robert :D
- Antonio Montero
Rob: FriendFeed is better.
- Robert Scoble
Louis, NOW I know where all those are coming from. Time to blacklist you ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Friendfeed FTW!
- TheHenry
Why would you want to follow me,i have nothing to offer but my ears to learn.
- Paul Downing
Not a bad filter at all.
- Robert Anderson
Hi Robert, I'm a real person and would love to be followed.
- Steve de Mena
What if the spammers, SEO experts, the bots, or the social media experts all comment here?
- Andrew Trinh
Word up
- Charlie Haims
Scoble smash Twitter spammer like Hulk!
- Peter Hodges
from iPhone
Dare I?
- Spidra Webster
and then I will comment on whoever follows me here...
- Alpay Erturkmen
Louis, I recently got the "high five" DM spam, too. So off-putting!
- Robert J Taylor
from iPhone
I just need to spend more time setting up FF so it is my friend that intercepts all my social media content but only from who I want to read!
- Pentaxfan
Friend feed seems like mainstream to most serious ones?
- jibzy
Friendfeed has it's strengths once you get it setup
- Chris
@robert whether or not FF is technically better than <insertsocialnetwork> its really a question of said network reach
- Sean Scott
Once a week I go through my followers and delete most/all of the spammers, but I only have like 50-60 so it's not hard to do.
- Allison Warnock
Let's hope the spammers and bots and etc don't attack us here on FriendFeed next. I won't tell them if you don't.
- Louis Trapani
from iPhone
Sean: well, FF has better search, grouping, real time, a better community, and more.
- Robert Scoble
Sean, you have to start somewhere!
- Pentaxfan
Really Robert? Will you follow me here or Twitter
- Kevin Krewell
Last time I checked I was human.
- Luke™
Kevin: here.
- Robert Scoble
I think you're already following me.
- Danny Minick
In two years on Twitter I have never used any bots nor even tried to sell anything. I always look at profiles personally before following anyone and have never been concerned with how many are following me.
- Gord Young
That's nice of you.
- Michael Owens
from iPhone
Why?
- Stefano Maggi
from iPhone
Yea, i dont want FF to get has "known" has twitter, I'm selfish
- Fee501st
Mainly on Twitter myself, but everything updates to here + I tie in a couple things through here to Twitter.
- Chris
Will you actually read my posts?
- Kimber Scott
oh really :D
- Sinem Co
See, cross posting that offer to Twitter is misleading
- Kevin Krewell
It is fun to watch my follower ## on Twitter go between 200 and 230 it is a constant battle to see what I post. Just not that interesting at times!
- Pentaxfan
Interesting project! Please follow us @streamfile :)
- Kimmo Gläborg
Checking in here...hope we continue to follow each other, Robert!
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Even if we write in Turkish?
- Emre Güneş
@robert again not arguing with you. I think better community in your POV but from marketing / UX pov not yet.
- Sean Scott
thank you -
- pat o'bryan
I'm pretty sure I've commented here before Robert, but you don't follow me here or on Twitter. Not that I want you to under just for the sake of it...
- Gurpreet
Today's secret password is "cheese".
- Andrew Smith
And you don't have to read everything we say, my God we can't keep up with your feed! But it's nice to always be assured there will be something in my Friendfeed from Scoble. And more Scoble and more Scoble!
- Keith Rowland
...only if you actually find my tweets interesting enough.
- Gurpreet
It's Unfollow Sunday. Just purged all the bots, spammers, SEO/social media types from my own Twitter account. I never autofollow. Still got the "high five" DM spam, though...
- Dennis Jernberg
Nice when you integrate Facebook and twitter and multiple accounts so you can read all at one place. I have to say I use Seesmic to read posts more than FF.
- Pentaxfan
Count me in too, please :)
- 1x29
bit bucket... here i come :) ps: scoble, what if we just "like" your post ;)
- simran
@pentaxfan of course. not wanting to start a FF vs Twitter debate. just saying the glasses through which we judge better or superior are diff based on our interests. Plus in the end FB will take it all :P
- Sean Scott
This is a sly way to get us to sign up for FF :)
- valb00
@valb00 said it!
- Dennis Jernberg
According to my following list, Scoble was the second person I followed after joining Twitter. A long time ago that was.
- Stephen Sclafani
UX tip for FF. Be nice to be able to click on the comment link at the end of a comment stream. Having to scroll back up on these long threads breaks flow.
- Sean Scott
Kimber: wait and watch http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... and see if I like any of your posts. I read a LOT and if you are posting interesting stuff I'll probably like it.
- Robert Scoble
Sean: click twice on the time stamp and you'll get a window of just this chat and you'll see a comment entry area at the bottom.
- Robert Scoble
Kurt: maybe!
- Robert Scoble
Sean Scott: Click on the timeline (the '5 minutes ago' bit) :)
- 1x29
You will end up following me anyway. They all will. :)
- Matt G
But you're already following me here on Friendfeed, Robert. How is Twitter going to be different?
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
FriendFeed is better, deeper, yet Twitter works better on the go
- Majento
There's a lot to like about FF, except it needs a bigger community. Twitter is like the iPhone - for iPhone it's all the applications, with Twitter (and Facebook) it's all about the number of poeple.
- Kevin Krewell
following me is good stuff :-)
- N.G. Gordon - RadarSync
@Sean, that is why we are always looking for new and improved apps to operate at a better level with more consistency. Take it easy! I'm off to bed for my 5 hours of mediocre horizontal time out.
- Pentaxfan
Hi Robert, you are obviously going to be following a lot more people. Thanks.
- Rob Zachritz
And I return. (Just cleared my account so I can start afresh with friend lists) :)
- BeauGiles
Is this an experiment?
- Theresa Shin
so will you follow me too
- aybars badur
Theresa: no, I do this from time to time and always find interesting people to follow.
- Robert Scoble
FF hmmm about that...
- Philip Small
Robert, you have lost a lot of followers. I have been watching all night.
- TheHenry
I don't get the appeal of auto-following. I for one would not want thousands of updates showing up in my timeline.
- Alex Knight
Twitter -ly ♪ and FriendFeed -ly ♪ livin' in perfect har-mony ♪♪♪ LOL Why can't we be friends ♪♪♪
- RetiredTeacherD
Just created a corporate FF account so you can follow our corporate Twitter at http:/www.twitter.com/senderok - Plug-in with anti-phishing icons for the inbox and photo business cards in the header pane
- SenderOK
I'm here I'm here! :D just curious, what do you have against SEO and Social Media experts?
- Celia
Really? BTW I'm just a regular geeky gal.
- Teresa O
TheHenry: and I will lose even more this week. No biggie. I don't define myself by who follows me, especially if they are there just to get a follow back.
- Robert Scoble
@Scobleizer is a man of his word
- Charlie Haims
Okay Scoble I'll bite...
- SalvadorM
Joining the experiment
- Jan Schultink
robert, you are a "pearl" under all the blogger,.........and i'm sure, you know that!!! sunshine and light to you from france, martin
- martin
I'm awake and listening!
- Graham Lawrence
To all those new to FriendFeed, remember to add your Twitter, blog, Flickr, YouTube, and other accounts so we can see all your stuff!
- Robert Scoble
...and I was wondering where is my one-lost-follower...here on FF.
- Danica Radovanovic
hello, I am an italian SEO expert :)
- Roldano De Persio of FF
I have nothing to say
- Paul Denlinger
@Paul, I was going to say that.
- Justin Yost
You should follow a game designer, Robert :)
- Kurai (ff)
Federico: I'm already following you. Roldano: I'm already following you too, but don't let it get out.
- Robert Scoble
Shea: yes. This is where I spend most of my time!
- Robert Scoble
That's encouraging
- Keith - @tsudo
I cannot recommend following me, I rarely have anything interesting to say.
- Shaun William
What's the catch?
- Rory Conway
We're already facebook friends. And I think friendfeed friends too. But FF just hasn't hit critical mass yet. It'll be cool when it does. Nice job throwing another rock at the hornet's nest! :-)
- Dan Becker
Rory: the catch is I might like one of your posts and then you'll have to deal with my other friends. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm glad to know that you are still interested in hearing from us :), I'm @tsudo
- Keith - @tsudo
scoble i like you man, but you're crazy
- patrick
I applaud your mass unfollowing, but following back via FriendFeed comments seems inefficient (says me, the efficiency consultant).
- Marina Martin
Dan: well, that's what Twitter gets for treating me like a lame early adopter that isn't needed anymore.
- Robert Scoble
Cool - I'm in. Thanks Robert - from the land down under.
- Monte Huebsch
Marina: you haven't discovered that FriendFeed has groups yet, have you?
- Robert Scoble
patrick: crazy like a bat!
- Robert Scoble
I need to better utilize FF groups.
- Justin Yost
Ouch Robert! Telling it like it is to Twitter
- Keith - @tsudo
Do you never get SPAM in FF?
- RobinDotNet
You might regret that :-) But thank you
- Stephen Baugh
Hi, i had created a new website name http://bit.ly/Od5Xx now please guide me in increasing traffic
- mohammadhassam
Robin: I have only seen a handful of spams here. They are easily blocked and there are other defenses against them that I won't talk about here.
- Robert Scoble
Are we not allowed to comment if you are already following us?
- RobinDotNet
Are all those SEO types you're unfollowing now following me?!
- Dennis Jernberg
@Justin, try this for a starting point for using groups http://www.knowthenetwork.com/blog...
- Keith - @tsudo
Okay ))
- Alexey Ivanov
Yet another comment, from an ordinary twitterer not a spambot. :-)
- Joshua Lee
is this a bait to get more people to use friendfeed? ;-)
- Ritu
Robin: I like all comments. I can see who isn't following me because their icons are white. Yours is blue.
- Robert Scoble
speaking of spam, twitter seems like it's about 90% spam lately
- Derek Chilcoat
Robert -- that's good to know. Those people are insidious. Will you ever tell us how to block them?
- RobinDotNet
It'll be interesting to see who follows the leader to @schoolpr.
- SchoolPR
The SEO experts, bots and social media experts don't have good content, and FF makes their crappy content easy to hide, and ignore, too.
- Andy Bakun
Thanks @Keith
- Justin Yost
Andy: bing!
- Robert Scoble
Robert, was that an endorsement of bing? ;-)
- RobinDotNet
SEO experts endorse bing. ;-)
- Joshua Lee
@Justin (1 more) my friend Ken did a great post on groups as well http://www.changeforge.com/2008...
- Keith - @tsudo
Why, oh why is my first thought to respond with "FIRST?"
- Jon, the Beartato of FF
I'm not a bot :-)
- Nir Ben Yona
Jon: I want to respond with "penultimate." :-)
- Robert Scoble
Even me???
- Kevin Arth
Can't imagine this won't end in a big mess...
- Justin Howard
Nir: I know you aren't a bot. That's why I follow you.
- Robert Scoble
wwooww :)
- Emre BAHADIR
So far not a spammer has shown up.
- Robert Scoble
commented!
- Jeremy Lane
I think scoble is on Twitter just to get people to read friendfeed. :-)
- Joshua Lee
Joshua: no. I'm here to talk about the 2010 web. :-)
- Robert Scoble
This is some elaborate mind game, I'm sure:)
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Can we put some restriction on bots . means use some software who block them
- mohammadhassam
Joshua, i liked your Bing comment :-)
- Majento
and the 2010 web is.... friendfeed!
- Joshua Lee
Thank you, Sir. I'm impressed. :)
- Kevin Arth
Joshua: the real time web is only one part of the 2010 web.
- Robert Scoble
Ah, I think you may already be following me, but just in case...
- Ranger Craig
Nice
- Fred Morales
Thing I don't like is that FF doesn't have a very good topic when the primary line is directed at twitter. There may or may not be a link to something after FF part. Which means FF becomes a bit of a treasure hunt. I like FF for commentary but I hate the initial post.
- Justin Howard
SPAM. :)
- Jason
BACON :-)
- Stephane Tsacas
Even your archnemesis?
- Erik K Veland
Mona :-)
- Majento
Mmmmm. Bacon.
- RobinDotNet
Erik: I would even follow Mike Arrington, yes. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer?
- RobinDotNet
what are some other examples of 2010 web, Robert Scoble?
- Joshua Lee
Ok Robert I got it ;)
- Roldano De Persio of FF
Count me in :) http://www.twitter.com/stanley...
- Stanley Tang
Robert: Thanks mate, interesting and probably efficient idea. I'll do the same for quality content, tired of those "I just used whateveryoucallit.com to gain 300 new followers right now!".
- Nir Ben Yona
whateveryoucallit.com domain name is already taken :-]
- Stephane Tsacas
Hi Robert, I had to do the exact same thing to nail all the twit spam I was getting. Hope you get it all sorted!
- James Brown
Even as we sit here, my iPhone dings with new follow e-mails from spam/marketing people. Sigh.
- RobinDotNet
Stephane: LOL, probably. I took this line from Chris Brogan's "Twitter Etiquette Guide".
- Nir Ben Yona
Robin: on Twitter, though, right?
- Robert Scoble
wow been fascinating watching this exercise :-)
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
So this is like a captcha?
- Dylan Verheul
also on twitter?
- Sinem Co
The joys of not being internet famous means I can check out followers personally, block where required and I've only ever got about 2 DM spam. But with the volumes that Robert gets, it's obviously not possible.
- Rachel Clarke
TwitterEtiquetteGuide.com is available ;-)
- Stephane Tsacas
I think Twitter needs something like captcha to keep the bots to a minimum, IMHO.
- Dennis Jernberg
Nope, I'm just following here.
- Robert Scoble
But feed your Tweets in here and what's the difference?
- Robert Scoble
OK, thanks :)
- Sinem Co
Hi Robert, I've been following you quite some time, and what you do here is very open and brave too, congrats!
- Kaan Bingol
This must be a plot to move everyone to FriendFeed ;-)
- Masatake E. Hori
Masatake: plot #458.
- Robert Scoble
Great thanks for the offer and follow
- Stephen Brown
Masatake: I think you're right. :-)
- Joshua Lee
Robert -- yes, on twitter. It seems the more you tweet, and the more people you communicate with, the more spammers follow you. Hoping for auto-follows I guess (I disappoint them in that regard.)
- RobinDotNet
No offense, but what is the utility of being "followed" by someone who already follows tens of thousands?
- Derek Pangallo
Good way to filter, you know the spammers don't actually read anything or participate
- Justin Luey
Derek: why don't you see http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... and see just how many people I touch.
- Robert Scoble
What is the utility of being "followed" by someone who doesn't tweet and who follows thousands? What do they do, sit at their terminal and watch the tweets go by all day long?
- RobinDotNet
hi Robert u r already following me how r u?
- Gaith
I dont get it.
- Andru Edwards
yeah? I think most spam bots have the AI to search for such threads!
- Rohit
Derek: or how many people I interact with. Check here: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... 28,000+ comments.
- Robert Scoble
oh, hi there!
- Jeremy
Gaith: doing fine, gotta work on my videos, but thought I'd do this instead.
- Robert Scoble
Robin: I'm guessing the mass followers rarely take a look at the flow - it's about being able to talk about the numbers
- Rachel Clarke
No
- Michael Fidler
Yes
- Michael Fidler
follow me on twitter please...
- Özgür D. Cyric
First day on Friend Feed and Robert Scoble is available. What a welcome.... Carey@holisticdds
- Carey O'Rielly
What will you do when the spammers/SEOs infest Friendfeed, as they will, or do you believe this is better crowdsourced and will be able to hold against the hordes?
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Rachel -- But numbers alone don't mean anything. Are they that shallow? That must be a stupid question.
- RobinDotNet
Is this going to be the 'most-commented-ever' post on Friendfeed? 240+ already!
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Aaman: FriendFeed is FAR more defendable against spam than Twitter is.
- Robert Scoble
and how would this benefit people who follow Robert Scoble?
- Seyfi Erol
Mahendra: probably not.
- Robert Scoble
That seems like a good idea, but I think you're already following a lot of these people
- Carlton Prest
Seyfi: why don't you follow me and see how it goes?
- Robert Scoble
I've gotten 4 follow e-mails since my first post here from people I don't want to follow. Do the bots start running right around midnight?
- RobinDotNet
Mahendra, you're not following the threads in Russian (that's my only hint) :D
- Micah Wittman
Robin: oh yes. But I'm never sure what's worse. the people who just want to talk about the numbers or the people they may be able to impress.
- Rachel Clarke
Aaman - Friendfeed doesn't make link-tracking easy, so it's less interesting for spammers to infest.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Is this a test of interaction or more likely a sort of audience verification?
- Gilgamesh
Robin, it's 9am !
- Stephane Tsacas
Gilgamesh: it is what you want it to be. For me I followed you.
- Robert Scoble
If twitter is noise, and FriendFeed is conversation, Robert Scoble followers are their own discussion. It's like using an entirely different website.
- Carlton Prest
Rachel, that's a good point. Is Facebook the same way? I joined that and suddenly got all these people I've nothing in common with who want to be my friend. Creepy.
- RobinDotNet
@Micah: Oh, good I don't read Russian! :)
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Scoble: you convinced me! (thought you just needed self-validation, sorry)
- Derek Pangallo
Derek: heh, yeah, I am watching this, among other things running across my screen.
- Robert Scoble
Robin: Facebook is the same but I think to a lesser extent - it's harder to find people I think. But still got a load of friend requests that I ignore as I don't know them
- Rachel Clarke
Robin: you mean like people you went to high school with and didnt' like adding you on FB
- Derek Pangallo
I already do. what i mean is if we don't keep FF, Twitter limited to our interests, wouldn't it be garbage we already try hard to get rid of. Or how far can we extend our interests in life or amount of information we consume?
- Seyfi Erol
Derek -- I mean people I really have NO connection with at all. I've only friended a couple of people I work with, and 2 other real friends. I'm getting friend requests from people I don't know at all.
- RobinDotNet
Seyfi: you haven't discovered FriendFeed's groups and lists yet, have you?
- Robert Scoble
I got a Russian-speaking follower on Twitter. I didn't follow him because I don't understand a word he tweets.
- Dennis Jernberg
Mahendra, And I've been told http://translatorize.com has successfully translated all 6000+ (oops - update: 7000+) comments http://friendfeed.com/ideali... from Russian to English :)
- Micah Wittman
Thanks Robert!
- Jan Ignatius
from iPhone
Seyfi: you can separate your friends into lists. That way you can keep your quilting buddies separate from your football ones etc.
- Robert Scoble
I'm the spammer u follow alrdy HA!
- Rich_Weaver
Did you know that Facebook has started selling parts of itself to the Russians? At end of May, they sold 1.96% stake of Facebook to Russia's Digital Sky Technologies for $200M.
- RobinDotNet
Robert: I shouldn't have underestimated you. You probably have started much longer comment threads on Friendfeed before.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Mahendra, Robert, I agree, FF has been very good at keeping out junk
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Micah: Uh, wow!
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Mahendra: I have. I gave away $5,000 once and got more than 1,000 comments on that. But that cost me a lot of cash. Can't afford to do that again.
- Robert Scoble
DST is run by Alisher Usmanov who is closely tied with Putin. You feel ok to that, but re-read the company's user agreement where it says it can share all of your info with third parties. Of course, it's irrelevant to this thread, but I thought it was interesting.
- RobinDotNet
Robert: I think your Twitter follow is worth more than that?
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Even if it's a lame comment and I don't actually say anything? Woohoo! FF looks interesting anyway,,,
- Matt Harward
Yes, Matt! :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm @odie on twitter
- Odi Chi
FF is interesting assuming the topic is FF... and/or Scoble's next devilishly clever stunt to generate FF comments
- John Hardy
John: there are lots of interesting topics here on FriendFeed. Did you know you could search by them based on number of likes? Click "Advanced Search" and try.
- Robert Scoble
John: Nope. Twitter's 'bout Trends, FF's 'bout Friends.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Very bold, I like it, are you going to keep the people you follow under 2000?
- Joe Dawson
from iPhone
Tell me the newest best way to use FriendFeed!
- Shoichi
I notice that one of the prolific thought-leadering traffic drivers I follow on twitter basically tweets everything he reads, before he reads it. This has lead to spam a few times. disappointing.
- Derek Pangallo
I'll not tell anyone ;)
- PaperDoll
I hope I am interesting enough to be followed! lol
- Carlton Hackett
Some of the reactions to what you're doing are pretty interesting, Robert.
- Ha3rvey (not Akiva)
Social media experts? What are those?
- Alasdair Munn
But what if someone doesn't want you to follow them :) ... It's not me....
- Amit Nangare
lmao
- Andy Ghozali
woww! that is a lot of comments.
- Sumanth Kolar
Joining bandwagon.
- mwydro
Yo Robert: a man has to do what a man has to do, so one surfer to another: go for it!
- Geer
Here here! A good cleansing is good, now and then... Starting fresh is the way to go, get all of that nonsense out and maintain a core group of people for solid conversation!
- Brian Partridge
Great taking the tour w/ you, Levar Burton & @VegasBill during CES 09 at the Atomic Testing Museum. I would appreciate the follow back. Thanks Robert!
- Chris R
There is change in the air...
- Zack Brandit
Chris: I'm already following you, no need to beg! :-) That was fun times, wasn't it?
- Robert Scoble
You've got to admit anyone who's on friendfeed instantly gets more exposure since it nicely imports people's public @ reply's anyway?
- Matt Randles
I'm a ff fan;)
- Cheray Bressler
from iPhone
Thanks for following back on Twitter Robert. Cheers from Las Vegas!
- Vegas Bill
I'm pretty sure we're friends here, only just wish there was a easy way to check... and if there is, that some one will let me know....
- Grant Bierman
this is such a classic move! well played.
- laura
So why can't SEO people be tech as well? Actually requires a good tech aptitude.
- Paul M Evans
from iPhone
I'd like to see how many comments this one gets :) and i'm assuming you mean follow here on friendfeed.
- Bhowmik Shah
Make sense, Scoble :)
- Grant Laird Jr
Just out of curiousity, why are there fewer spammers and bots on FF compared with Twiitter? Is it because they haven't discovered FF yet?
- Sally Church
from iPhone
there are occasionally spammers on FF but I think they mostly get handled quickly vs Twitter where more than occasionally clusters of spammers just follow each other...
- Shannon Clark
Choose wisely :)
- Ozkan Altuner
Go FF its the Best
- Robert Wheeler
followww meee
- Thomas Christory
Scoble-plicity .-)
- Del_
I use TweetLater to vet new followers. Helps get rid of spammers fast.
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Wow! I've never seen so many people comment on Friendfeed as much as this!
- Armand
Yo! peteryared on twiter :)
- Peter Yared
This is #scoble at server irc.friendfeed.com I beleive ;-)
- Stephane Tsacas
Your biggest fan and follower in Cambridge, UK. Thanks for the DuoFertility video. Great as ever.
- Philip Baddeley
Fantastic, I want to be followed :-)
- Antonio Correnti
What if your already following me? Do I still need to comment here?
- CW™
Sally: I don't explain spam defenses in public. I don't want spammers to figure them out. But there are quite a few defenses against spam here.
- Robert Scoble
Refollow me on Twitter! @carloscomputers
- carloscomputers
nice one
- Ken Post Jr
I was surprised about the spammer comments, until I started getting female nude model followers and I'm a women. Maybe a nude male model but not Sparkle or Hootie McBoob
- Corrine Pearce
Corrine: hope you don't see that here on FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Why are you doing this? You have one of the best listening audiences on twitter! Is there a point to prove that we will post here or go to wefollow?
- David Cole
Now those not on FF will miss this one;)
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
David: actually that's not true. Most of the Twitter audience I had has moved over here.
- Robert Scoble
I'm intrigued and will watch with interest -- and hey, you're always interesting. Well worth the follow!
- Don Tamihere
real-time on FF is awesome
- nchenga
David: and I can prove that. Twitter's audience has become less and less engaged lately.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, powerful shift by Robert Scoble, I'm really interested in seeing how this works for you Scoble. I slept through all the big news here tonight.
- Jimminy
Always up for your social explorations Robert.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
And you're not even halfway through the unfollowing process. :)
- Ken Brady
wao, let's good.
- naokits
Interesting experiment. This is probably one the most commented feedfriend threads in history!
- Menno te Koppele
Plus, David, if you all are listening, you are listening because of my ability to find cool stuff. Mostly that's been because of FriendFeed over the past 18 months. Now I've seen how ascerbic Twitter's spammers have gotten on my accounts.
- Robert Scoble
agree, it's an interesting experiment.
- nchenga
Menno: actually it's not. There are many 1,000+ comment threads here.
- Robert Scoble
Here's a search with all 1,000 comment threads displayed: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
Interesting. This is going to boost 1000 egos for sure :-)
- Freddie Benjamin
So will it be a matter of just trying to say ahead of the spammers by jumping from one early adopted social network to another?
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
JP: no. I am not leaving Twitter. I AM, however, deleting all their accounts so I will no longer be passing them juice.
- Robert Scoble
I wonder how will your FF homepage look like after this.
- ahmet bulent
Does this make you anti-social media?
- Cory Brown
To follow commenters from here on Twitter will be a lot of work for you Robert. Or do you have some magic tool that helps?
- Tibor Holoda
Robert, how many of the 100k do you think you'll still be following when you are done?
- RobinDotNet
~~~> Robert!! Follow me back again. [a] I'm a real fan of the @Scobleizer... and [b] I'm much nicer than some of these sassy bloofers. ;)
- Kim Sherrell
1,100
- Robert Scoble
That's good to know.
- George Hall (Australia)
So what if you have all 58k + comment on here? And you have to keep everyone! And your plan is foiled, sir. Okay give or take 10k for the neglected abandoned twitters and the spammers. Btw, you're already following me on both twitter and here. But come on, you're not really. : /
- Lise
That's cool. I am finding the spammers too much to manage these days myself.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
I promise I want tell them
- Noel Kelly
Because I can't keep myself from doing math, that's 1.1%.
- RobinDotNet
Lise: I see you a few times a day, but you're right. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Are you trying to make a point about FF v Twitter? I have spammy things to say about my amateur photography, potential homelessness, and run-ins with public-run health system in the US. Isn't all Twitter spam--just spam you want? :)
- Dean Hall
the auto-refresh on this thread is mind-blowing, fun to watch
- nchenga
Do you ever worry about SM burnout Robert? How do you pace your self?
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Interesting to note many of most commented threads are in languages other than English. Can we suggest FF has a better international appeal than Twitter?
- Kaan Bingol
Good idea, as you say, stop juicing up the spammers - it'll be interesting to see the stats once you've finished.
- Andrew Piggott
Dean: your Tweets aren't spam. I might keep you. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
I only followed people who were interesting to me, otherwise it is like trying to find a needle in a haystack of brain dumps.
- Daniel Durrans
Exactly. So I expect to be cut. And considering I'm in a crowd of close to 60k, it'll be the same thing.
- Lise
There should be a counter in front of the comments...
- Willem Karssenberg
okay seriously ?
- Asankhaya Sharma
What sort of comments do you want Robert?
- Travis Koger
Lise: actually no. On FriendFeed I can absorb quite a few more people than on Twitter thanks to Groups.
- Robert Scoble
a good cleansing is wise once in a while :) Power to the (real) people.
- Benjamin
Travis: I'm already following you.
- Robert Scoble
Lise: and because FriendFeed's search engine is better here too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, yeah I know. Thought you might have meant for your secretscoble twitter account ;)
- Travis Koger
It's kind of like a giant SM break up Robert. *Oh the hearts you are breaking...*
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
I'm fairly selective about who I follow and I follow so maybe you will follow me back!
- Richard Cunningham
from iPod
Robert, care to explain how you use groups in this kind of context? Because I don't get the point of following people who are then placed into a "I don't read this much" kind of group. How do you use groups so that you're (1) not overwhealmed, and (2) actually read what people are saying?
- Ian Betteridge
How many people do you expect to end up with, Robert? What is a reasonable number?
- Lise
You don't have to follow me on Twitter. I think the FriendFeed party palace is mighty fine.
- Josette Torres
from fftogo
(Not that I'll probably see your response, btw - something at the bottom of 350+ responses is effectively buried until FF has better threading tools. Which I'm sure it will, some day.)
- Ian Betteridge
@Ian I believe that it may come in Google Wave.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
@Daniel - ditto, and for me it is generally development related also. Robert - I know you have to try and keep up with everything going on in the social media space, but I'm always surprised when people follow so many others as it must be extremely difficult to find the wheat in amongst all the chaff.
- Donald Matheson
Robert: I did not know about that search trick. Thanks!
- Menno te Koppele
Why?
- Scott Hanselman
looks like a lot of comments
- Rory Partalis
Ian: a "I don't read this much" kind of group is awesome for serrendipity. Also, anyone who I find there who is high value gets quickly moved to a smaller group.
- Robert Scoble
What? Are you saying you're not following me already...? ;-)
- Jarno Peschier
Lise: on Twitter? Less than 2,000. I can't follow more.
- Robert Scoble
Done. :)
- Smeerch
Jamo: I am already following you. Scott: why not? I am already following you too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, it might be a problem for me re-gaining your following as my tweets are not 100% English only (whether that means trying to speak English or no English at all ;). How do you deal with occasional non-English tweeters? As that's clearly a noise for you.
- Tibor Holoda
if only twitter were as engaging as FriendFeed has become, and as instantaneous as things like this comment thread, then maybe I would use it more. Hence why I'm all for unfollowing who you conceive as uninteresting; and if that includes me, then so be it!
- Nick Soden
Tibor: I just skip over most of them. Sometimes I translate them to see if I was right.
- Robert Scoble
It is my hope that I provide you with something as interesting as what you provide me with. Either way, I will continue to peruse your posts with interest.
- James (!?)
hmmm
- imran
Hi, I'm still newish to this social media thang - but good on you for taking a stand.
- Jus
Do you prefer night owls? Because what about all the poor people in SV who went to bed at a decent hour and missed your post? Bummer for them, huh?
- RobinDotNet
I'm back from picking my wife up at the airport and ran across this on my way back to sleep.
- nuBound CEO - Mark
shhhhh
- Luigi Filograna
Robin: heh, all the real geeks in SV are still up.
- Robert Scoble
Interesting idea. I firmly believe SEOs are working day and night to figure out FF.
- Ian Ceicys
Ian: I bet they are too since FF is starting to pull better on Google than Twitter is.
- Robert Scoble
I am such a sheep. @markmeyerphoto
- Mark Meyer
from iPhone
I have nothing interesting to say, don't follow me.
- burc sahinoglu
from BuddyFeed
what about me? ... sniff
- Andy Ghozali
Me me me ;)
- Alemsah Ozturk
from iPhone
looking for owls?
- Dave Senior
Well I am out for the night. Good luck on your mass un-follow Robert. I look forward to your report on the results.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Robert, this is looking like a long thread already. :)
- Robert Miller
Andy, Alemsah, and Dave, I'm already following you.
- Robert Scoble
Do you consider FF to be less spammy if you are trying to find your new Twitter "friends" here?
- Dušan Šimonovič
Dusan: are you a spammer?
- Robert Scoble
lmao on here you are, not on the big T tho nevermind I will follow you there too, been a fan....
- Andy Ghozali
why?
- Tolga Akmazoglu
bold and yet gutsy move...love the trending topic already!
- Feersum Engine
:)
- Ruchit Garg
Follow on FriendFeed or Twitter? :P Or Google Rader? :P
- Qbat
Türkçe ne diyor arkadaş ?
- Sinan İŞLER
The wild and woolly blogosphere is replete with all sorts of good stuff. Hard to follow 500 people, let alone 1000. I applaud you for trying to take the reins.
- Jack B
hey there
- deadmanwriting
And will you unfollow me if I send a DM ;)?
- Sudar
I don't get it
- Sheldon Levine
Qbat: I'll follow here on FriendFeed. Sheldon what don't you get?
- Robert Scoble
Sudar: no, if you send me DMs here, that's good.
- Robert Scoble
How long is the unfollow process going to take? And do you think FF will have as much noise as Twitter?
- Duc Nguyen
So it's Twitter DM that you don't like?
- Sudar
Sudar: right.
- Robert Scoble
And will you follow me? don't know if you ever have, but I am following you on twitter.
- Jus
Hey, Thanks for following me
- Michael_techie
Would love your company, Robert.
- Daniel Zarick
from iPhone
Even worse is Twitter DM spam, of course.
- Dennis Jernberg
It funny you put spammers, SEO experts, bots, social media experts all in one bucket. What are you implying? Btw, I'm none of these...
- Peter Chee
.. and it works!! Just got a mail saying Robert is following me now... :)
- Sudar
Peter: I did that to piss off the SEO experts. :-)
- Robert Scoble
This makes me realise that posting from Twitter as opposed to "to twitter from FF" allows the Twitter stream to grow on the back of FF comments ! otherwise not : as in my case - what do you think Robert ? FF to Twitter ? Or FF aggregating all your tweets ?
- Nicholas Paul Gordon
from iPhone
Nicholas: shhhh, you are discovering my secrets! I'm doing more and more from FriendFeed lately.
- Robert Scoble
I comment and you follow me. Its totally worth it
- Arvind
Do I have to follow you too? :)
- Mobilepax
Arvind: even better I was following you before. Mobilepax: no. I really don't care about followers. Inbound is more important than who is listening to you.
- Robert Scoble
and does that mean I have to write in English from now on :)
- Mobilepax
Awesome. I'm the 439th commenter. :D
- Jhay Rocas
Mobilepax: no. I translate interesting posts to English.
- Robert Scoble
More than 400 comments in about 2 hrs. Not bad. I wonder if there'd be nearly as many twitter responses/mentions.
- Franz Binder
Franz: no way. Not even close.
- Robert Scoble
Nice one - it's cool that you give friendfeed (and all the commenters of course ;-) much kudos.
- Alex Vermeule (@alexve)
If you just follow everyone in this thread, won't you just wind up with noise from 'engaged' people. I mean, does this solve the problem?
- Missionary Broadcasting
Good thing its 4am and my car alarm went off, otherwise you wouldnt follow me! I had to look up a video online how to break the key fob apart becuase aparently its battery leaked and was self activating the panic switch. Damn VWs! a replacement key is only like 150 bucks!!
- Charlieray
Missionary: no. You have not discovered that FriendFeed has groups and MUCH BETTER search.
- Robert Scoble
Its funny that if you say "SEO" on twitter its an instant 10 followers
- Charlieray
A friendfeed promotion experiment?
- John Mandia
from iPhone
What is a comment?
- Meriç Dağlı
I'd rather follow you on Friendfeed, Robert. Your tweets get cross posted here anyway, and there's a much greater sense of engagement in that conversation than there is over at Twitter.
- Andrew Terry
John: no. Meric: you just made one.
- Robert Scoble
John: I've been promoting FriendFeed for 18 months. Where have you been?
- Robert Scoble
FF rocks :o)
- Cowan Group
Everyone that "follows" you really does know you love FF. So did you build a tool to follow everyone back that comments on here or are you seriously going to manually follow people back?
- Peter Chee
Theres 451+ comment here, do you really follow *everyone*?
- Fajar Nurdiansyah
woohoo! I'm in :P
- Tim Bergman
Because I am up at 1:20 a.m. PT, why not... I must be your target audience then.
- Georgiana Comsa
It must show you how many people enjoy engaging with you Robert, with the number of people posting here.
- Steve Farnworth
Amazing to see the comment thread to this entry expand constantly in real time.
- Christian Bolstad
Peter: I've manually followed everyone on this thread so far.
- Robert Scoble
Peter: although to be fair I've already followed quite a few people who have commented here.
- Robert Scoble
Hi, you are already following me. My solution to get rid of spammers on Twitter is to block them, that is what I do. If everyone started blocking them, I think things would improve
- Asgeir
Are you going to sleep tonight, or watch the fun?:)
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
is that enough to get followed?
- Ouriel Ohayon
do I accumulate credit, maybe towards an afterlife? You are already following me :-)
- Anindya Chatterjee
really anyone? :D
- Francesco Marconi
What about the SEO experts who accidentally find this feed?
- phil baumann
Robert, but you're following commenters here, not on Twitter, right? Not that i care about Twitter that much, as for me it's just a pipeline. FF and FB are conversational platforms for me, or the places i hang out these days.
- Tibor Holoda
Spammers being blocked doesnt do anything as they are hoping for that 1 in 100 hit of someone clicking that link, eventually they get banned and create a new account.
- Charlieray
Aaman: Sleep? some of us are just starting the day. We're waiting for the US to go to sleep so we can talk about you ;-)
- Rachel Clarke
the term SEO expert is a crock of shit
- Charlieray
like that's gonna work...
- thinkingpot
I hope you like hype machine loved tracks.
- Neil Godfrey
FriendFeed is better only if U want feedback and have the time to check it out.
- Marko Dvornik
Hello from the UK...
- robkeynes
Marko: not true. It's better because it has very little spam. It's better because it has a better search engine. It's better because it has comments and likes. It's better because it's an aggregator. And more.
- Robert Scoble
you don't have to follow back. but i'll take the chance to say great work with building 43.
- Alexandre Gamela
from twhirl
where's the 'hide button'??? :-D
- Massimo MaxKava Cavazzini
Massimo: right up top. Heheh. Alexandre: thank you!
- Robert Scoble
After 6 months out of the social media loop I came back to a whole bunch of follows that I either couldn't remember who they were or why I had followed them - how can that be relevent? So, I culled my follows back to less than 200. I'm now just looking to find the signal amongst the noise.
- Colin Walker
What about FriendFeed? Is there any @notsecretscoble too?
- Ludwik C. Siadlak
Friendfeeding for Scoble to follow me while on vacation in Montauk. There is something wrong with me.
- Mitchell Schneider
:)
- امیرعباس
Mitchell -- you just don't want to miss the fun.
- RobinDotNet
robkeynes -- nice to see you up and about
- RobinDotNet
Ludwik: no, because here I can just start a new list of users.
- Robert Scoble
Well, this has been fun to watch, but it's almost 2 a.m. and I have to be very smart tomorrow morning, which is easier when I'm not too tired, so everyone have a great [whatever comes next in your time zone].
- RobinDotNet
Robert, I'm trying to understand this follow/unfollow strategy you are applying as Napoleon Bonaparte on a battle field ;) Interested to know the result
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
pushing this thing to its limits just to see what happens? interesting.
- livefast
I really do think the way Twitter has changed in the last few months, with all the media attention, certainly begs for it to be used differently now.
- Nicola Quinn
SEO what?! :)
- Kobayashi
Wow that's a whole lot of people commenting in the last 2 hours, Rob - How many of the new people you are following from this list are NEW to friendfeed? (estimate?)
- Roy Herrod
i'm new!
- Luigi Filograna
Roy: 40%
- Robert Scoble
Does this constitute a comment or are you looking for some insightful commentary on the state of new media? ;)
- Iwan
40%? This must have turned out to be one of the biggest promotions in FF history, even if it wasn't intended that way. BTW, I'm new to FF too.
- Dennis Jernberg
guess it's good to clean up the list once in a while.
- shadow
Ha ha, nice.... So any major ramifications from the mass unfollow?
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Alistair: other than losing about 1,000 followers so far? No major ramifications.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I'm coming out with a project in the Continuing Medical Education field in the next weeks so if you are interested, I wouldn't mind if you will follow me :-)
- Marco Fabbri
Won't tell anybody, specially Seo people, ssshhhh.....
- Giorgio Burlini
from iPhone
No comment ... :)
- Charlie Anzman
Too late.
- Alex Gonzalez
You had me at don't tell the spammers...
- Sean Kelly
I think it's a hoot. Now I'm wondering whether to reverse my recent move towards following more, not less. I do believe that from my experience so far FF is more attuned to building/maintaining community than is Twitter.
- Des Walsh
Great move Robert - I like it a lot
- Robert Davies
Des: on FriendFeed you can do both strategies at the same time. You can follow a lot more in one list while following even fewer in another.
- Robert Scoble
Des - Once more people re-engage in the conversation here, they'll realize the continuing outright potential of Friendfeed. I still some here before I read my e-mail
- Charlie Anzman
wow...just wow :) Robert, you have many fans !!
- Hayk H.
Good luck on hiding from the bots, they have ways of finding people.... :)
- Chris Holm
well, who am I to refuse such a nice offer? here I am!!!
- niccolò vecchia
Good to hear! I have only ~2000 followers, but I can't follow more at the moment due to Twitter's follow limit rule.
- Martin Lindeskog
I can't resist. skeptical, however.
- thinkQuick
Robert maybe the effort to get to 1 million is too great?? LOL Look forward to being in special company
- Wayne Mansfield
lol! ;-)
- auro
Following for the sake of it
- Rudi
follow, unfollow. it's all work...
- punkwithgun
Great way to test the chemistry between FF and Twitter. I like it.
- E-Advocate Network
Robert - I'am definitely not a spammer when it comes to broadcasting anything to people, who doesn't want to hear it :) but I do sometimes respond (mostly on twitter so @reply) to some tweets not aimed on me, but that's what everybody actually asks for when publicly broadcasting anything.
- Dušan Šimonovič
Lovely.
- Kevin Montgomery
Scoble is a superstar :)
- Peter
Woohoo. :)
- mjc
Enjoy your tweets
- Keith Humphreys
Domo arigato, Mr. Roboto. Himitsu o shiri tai. (Secret secret. I've got a secret.)
- Rich Puskarich
Welcome!
- Bob Stewart
Shhh...don't tell anyone but I'm neither of those (the spammers, SEO experts, the bots, or the social media experts,) though, I like the heck out of the concept of this thread...
- Vincent Wright
@euaneggs :)
- Euan Rowlands
Good idea about the unfollow. It was an interesting experiment whilst it lasted but given your lifestyle I'm sure most Twitter messages just passed you by. I never DM'd you however, it was nice to think that I had the option if I wanted to. Anyway I've been on FF for ages now, and what I need is a good FF app (for pc), any ideas anyone?
- Nick Bristow
Nick: I just use a browser with FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Only 530 comments so far? Come on people you are not even trying.
- John Cooper
oh,i'm 538?
- M∂hmood
hello hello!
- May Wong
I am really curious to check the result of this experiment...
- Alessandro Galetto
from twhirl
why are you doing this again ?
- startup ticker
To confuse you.
- Robert Scoble
LOL - nice one Robert.
- Darren Rowse
Lol! that dude definitely sounds confused :-)
- Freddie Benjamin
:-) well done
- Johni Fisher
Knock three times on the ceiling if you want me.
- Gilbert Harding
Nice! Subscribe me!!! ;)
- stakhov
cool~
- kang
promise?
- David Semeria
well i'm only bemused, is that close enuff ?
- startup ticker
so quick~
- kang
I'm interested to see how this turns out for you.
- Brandon Eaker
talk about noise!
- Miles Media
550 commants!!!! wtf?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Good to know. Scoble is a superstar.
- jaspio
@Rob Sellen, did you see the comments on the most recent ffundercats podcast entry. http://friendfeed.com/ffunder... Over 1000 in a very short period of time. Although I expect that this post will also get up to those levels.
- Travis Koger
Ah Scoble allways busy.
- erwin blom
NOTICE: I am closing comments here because I gotta get some sleep. I'll consider doing this again sometime. Sorry if you didn't get in, but see you tomorrow night.
- Robert Scoble
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- Matt Randles
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- Matt Randles
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how have i not seen this before?
- Matt Randles
Trying to decide how to logically split types of posts between Twitter and FriendFeed.
I'll admit I find it hard to post on friendfeed other than comments and likes on stuff imported by other people - escpecially since friendfeed nicely imports twitter posts already
- Matt Randles
Thanks yeah that sounds like a good plan
- Rex Pechler
from IM
cool colour chooser / inspiration
- Matt Randles
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- Matt Randles
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- Matt Randles
Are you seeing this message twice over on Twitter? Let me know. I'm having troubles with messages sent from friendfeed. This is done with old UI.
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nope only this one for me
- Darren Stuart
Just once.
- Nicola Quinn
Thanks.
- Robert Scoble
only seeing this tweet once on Twitter.com and TweetDeck
- Vinko
3 minutes after your post, still only one item in my stream
- Niklas Morberg
Confirmed only one message in Twitter here.
- Sanne Buurma
I saw an entry I posted to the beta get sent to Twitter twice as well.
- Louis Gray
just once for me!
- Matt Randles
damn you pre-beta testers. you're killing us slowly.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Once.
- Sue Radd
Does Palm Pre have a chance against iPhone? IMO: No, but it might not matter - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
Olivier Castets, Bruce Lewis, Parth Awasthi and 26 other people liked this
agree totally, Apple seemed a little behind the developers at first but are now providing them with so much. The one thing that steered me from the iphone to start was the missing mms etc, but the experience of using the phone more than makes up for it. Now with 3.0 filling a lot of gaps, and potential of new device... they've got one hell of a phone/pda/entertainment device.
- Matt Randles
If Palm has made one mistake with the Pre rollout, it's failing to realize how fickle and FUDdy the tech press can be. You'd think they'd have learned their lesson after the beating they took over Foleo, only to see an entire market segment (netbooks) emerge around that form factor/use case within a year or so. The only thing that's changed since CES is Apple announced cut-and-paste and some other incremental updates yet the Pre buzz is already waning.
- Ken Sheppardson
I don't want to change from Verizon to AT&T so the Palm Pre is interesting ot me. I know there are others like me
- Marion Vermazen
I agree that Palm won't knock off Apple from their throne. But will easily beat out many of the also rans who have squandered their positions. Palm gained massive market share in the PDA and early smart phone space because they understood useability. I think this fundamental understanding is showing through in the Pre (at least from what we can see in the videos). In addition, Palm was...
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- Joe Brinkman
Agreed with @Joe, Palm has still nostalgic developers that can't wait to have another Palm in the palm of their hand. A decent one, the Pre, probably. Moreover the application development model will be SO easy that almost immediately, Pre could benefit of most of the must-have social/web/communication apps...
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
Palm doesn't stand a chance against Apple in this - the iPhone is ridiculously sticky- i.e. there's a huge switching cost, and of course there is all the media - including games. Everyone seemed to forget that Apple didn't just close their R&D facilities. I think Android is really Palm's biggest problem - because 'everyone else' is going to end up using it, and so there'll be a bunch of free with contract Android phones before too long. Where is Palm's opportunity in this?
- Robin Barooah
By the way, you don't have to knock the iPhone off it's "throne" to have a chance against it. Garter says in 4Q08 iPhone's 10.7% smartphone market share is fourth behind Symbian (47.1%), RIM (19.5%), and Windows Mobile (12.4%). If Palm can flip, say, 1 in 7 Symbian, Rim and Win users and not a single iPhone user, they still knock iPhone out of fourth. http://blog.symbian.org/2009...
- Ken Sheppardson
Maybe I'm mistaken, but isn't the Pre exclusive to Sprint? Second point, they're abandoning their base of developers. I personally know someone with a rather large Palm application that could take a very long time to rewrite and migrate. It's too bad they don't have a way to port/recompile existing apps for the new device.
- Rob Fahrni
@Ken - Does just running symbian count as being a smartphone somehow? I had a Nokia N70 before my iPhone, which ran Symbian, was very featureful and had PIM apps etc, so would probably count in these kinds of figures, but the reality was that trying to use those features via a phone keypad simply didn't compare and as a phone it was worse than my old 2110. How many actually usable smartphones are running Symbian and WinMo - vs traditional handsets that happen to be powered by these OSs?
- Robin Barooah
A lot of doctors use the Palm Treo because there are good medical apps for it, so as those wear out it will be interesting to see if they go for the Palm Pre or the iPhone. I still miss the old Palm V as a PDA though, that was a great gadget.
- Sally Church
i think you need to ask will Palm Pre knock Microsoft OS's out of the picture for some? Will HTC have to step it up as some have suspected they are with a new phone coming out?
- CW™
Another way of looking at it is - I use my iPhone all the time, and yet I only make about one phone call every other day - I don't even have the phone app on the dock anymore. I think that's the world these devices have to compete in.
- Robin Barooah
@Robin - I'd say that it's a smartphone, by virtue of running Symbian OS, or at least in the sense that it's pretty open as far as mobile phones go (or at least it's the "most open" phone I've had, in terms of being able to install 3rd party applications and Multimedia Framework plug-ins, and to an extent replace some native ones (Opera comes to mind), not to mention being able to move almost all data freely to and from it) although I'm biased (not that I want other platforms to fail, of course)...
- Tyson Key
I'd say that the Pre still has a good chance in the market, assuming that Palm manage to advertise it right for the not-as-tech savvy folks, as Apple have done with the iPhone. Still, they should keep the power-users in mind, too.
- Tyson Key
Several things weigh against Pre, not the least of which is that you can't buy one. Palm is taking a drubbing in its sales while all the focus is on an intangible. The quality appears to be there but again mass production and this climate could present issues. Finally, this is G3 vs. G1 so it has to be more buggy and less tested. Pre would have to seduce me to make me lose my iPhonaphillia.
- Phil Boiarski
Robert, you are very brave (IMO foolish) to predict Android will run a long second to iPhone. The Apple app market is saturated and devs are sick of it. Real smart phone users will gravitate to Android and when some handsets finally come on to the market it will make Apple's 20 million phone sales look relatively puny.
- Bob Sonin
I hope Palm has long term plans. If they put all their marbles on the Pre and it fails, they're done.
- Rodfather
I think Google is building their foundation right now. I expect very big things from them in the future both on Android and other Social platforms they're building. Never underestimate Google.
- Jesse Stay
Don't forget the huge demographic of frustrated Windows Mobile users who aren't waiting for WM6.5/WM7 to come out. Combine that with legacy users who still wax nostalgic about their old Palm/Handspring PDAs (see above, myself included) and I see big things for Palm IF they can get the Pre out before the next iPhone.
- Jericho
The smartphone market has to be at least 4 x the PC market - a computer in every pocket, and a computer that is also a fashion accessory. There must be room for more than a couple of players. Palm need to focus on stabilizing the company and delivering the best experience they can with the Pre.
- Shauns
Robin: I was just using Gartner's definition of smartphone and market share numbers. I think IDC doesn't include Symbian, but the other numbers and proportions still hold. iPhone is at best third behind Blackberry and Windows Mobile. IMHO the Pre has the potential to plop down in the middle of the market and while it may win over an iPhone user or two I think it's more likely to appeal to the RIM/WinMo user...or the folks who have held off from jumping into the smartphone market.
- Ken Sheppardson
I agree that its going to be daunting for Palm to woo people to move to Sprint. But having seen the development model (video on youtube) It seems like Palm really has got it right! Html+CSS to create your apps! Though its at risk of alienating its current developer base, aquiring new developer base is pretty trivial!
- Dilip Krishnan
Good to see Palm becoming relevant once again.
- Mike Seidle
http://forums.reviewer.co.uk/forums... friend having problems with @google (adwords) after fraud, doesnt like its the first time either #badgoogle
shame i cant get more exposure on this, its situations like this google should look to sort out quicker
- Matt Randles
Homework project: how many followers on social networks are "real?" My initial findings are astounding, participate here as we discover what's going on:
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Visit http://twitter.com/TechCru... and now click on each follower. How many messages have they written? I just visited about 100 and only two had written more than a single message.
- Robert Scoble
Now you know why I say followers don't matter. If I fake 100,000 accounts and follow myself with them do those accounts matter to anything? No.
- Robert Scoble
But I didn't understand just how bad the spam account problem is. On friendfeed I only follow accounts that are putting content into the system. I am only putting people into my ultra special lists (ie, the ones I read first thing in the morning) if they participate. Those are the high value accounts that make being part of this fun. But how many of those accounts do each social network have? That's what matters, not whether a blank account was produced.
- Robert Scoble
Who is a bigger fan of you then yourself. :) So if your not following yourself then why provide any content? :P </sarcasm>
- CW™
They matter because other twitter users think that you are popular because you have been followed by 100,000 users. Thus, in result will entice new followers.
- charles
this is in line with participation stats from other communities like Open Source or UGC - online a thin minority contribute (in the 5%/15% range) - but it doesn't mean they're fake - just shy or dumb
- Marc Brandsma
Beau: I wish I had a tool to delete everyone who hasn't posted at least 10 Tweets from the list of people I'm following.
- Robert Scoble
I have found that a lot of people who are on social networks like Facebook or Twitter are not really there to participate but to be the voyeur (to borrow a term). They are more interested in what others are doing but rather not share their selves. It is not an uncommon social trait to be curious to what others are doing but not want them knowing what you are doing. It's small town living on the internet as I like to say.
- Christopher Mercer
Marc: I don't agree. After visiting a few hundred of these accounts now, they sure look fake and "spammy" to me.
- Robert Scoble
Christopher: that's interesting, but is very weird. Why would you want to watch what people are saying if you don't want to participate? I wonder if anyone will cop to having such an account here?
- Robert Scoble
What's your definition of 'real'? There's a difference between spam accounts (let's say created for SOE or to get you to click on a link to just 'blast' marketing) and passive accounts, where someone is happy listening. They don't *have* to participate, most are perfectly happy just watching.
- Rachel Clarke
There are 3 types of followers - real people, PR accounts and special like you :-). On my personal twitter ( http://twitter.com/michalblaha ) I prefer real people. On my project's twitter ( http://twitter.com/ontheroadto ) I prefer mix of them. I got severel very usefull contacts for http://www.ontheroad.to from my twitter followers . Its reason why I never (rather) block any of my followers.
- News from ontheroad.to
Rachel: you make a good point, but lots of these have weird names, look like spammers, and don't participate. What value are they?
- Robert Scoble
I don't know if I really understand the problem here. Granted, if you have a lot of fake followers that makes you look bigger than you are. But otherwise, who cares? I personally follow (and follow back) people based on the quality of their posts, not on how many followers they have.
- Matthias Catón
Special followers like you are real people with unbelievable number of accounts they follow - not for PR, not for spam, but to be informed. Strange think on it (for me) is how you can handle so much unstructured information together. You know some magic which I don't know ;-)
- News from ontheroad.to
Interestingly, the few I've found so far that have posted real content have had photos on their bios/accounts. I think that's a good way to filter out spammers. "No photo, no friend." :-)
- Robert Scoble
I think the major difference between me and TechCrunch would be the people who look for me and whom I add on facebook are people I actually know. I have some very close friends who are not active users of social networking sites but use them to keep up on their active user friends. As for twitter, yes a lot of accounts follow for the purpose getting follow backs. I subscribe to the the idea that just because you followed me does not mean I will follow you.
- Christopher Mercer
There are a lot of people, at least in India, who are in strict readonly mode. A lot of them just follow interesting people and read their tweets and shares. Its almost like a substitute for Google Reader. So judging by just the tweet count would be unfair. If there were a last login time in the twitter api, it would make more sense.
- Ritesh
Matthias: well, I have been getting more and more spam into my DM column, so there's the danger of that. Yeah, there really isn't too much harm other than if you are in this to just game your follower count that people will figure out that you really don't have an engaged audience there. That will catch up with you eventually. I know I'm more likely to follow someone who has a really great set of friends/followers. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
- Robert Scoble
I think that you are most likely to follow a person who is in the field of your interest, much the same way you subscribe to a feed. I, for one, follow many of the social media geeks since the subject interests me, but I very rarely participate in discussions. I enjoy reading what others are saying and shared news and links. So I guess I am a social network voyeur (@Mercer) :)
- "Jazzperous" Isaksson
Robert - agree with you about the spammers. I block them all. I also block those who aren't automated spammers but still doing the same behaviour. They have no value for you, or me. I'm wondering what value they have for themselves, if they are like spam email where they get enough interaction to make it worthwhile.
- Rachel Clarke
I was followed last night by someone, who it took me 6 pages of back tweets to find 3 actual tweets that did not say 'thanks you for following me' targeted at followers, looks like a real person, but boy so little content, not worth following back.
- Carl Grint
I think its the amount of posts is the give away. Even if people are just taking it in I do not like the idea of passive tweeters. You have to get in and get your hands dirty.
- Sam Philp
Techcrunch has a lot of inactive followers recently because they're listed in the recommendation box for every new Twitter user. But I agree with other commenters, who follows you and how active they are is irrelevant. The real power of Twitter and all social media is in the conversation, not in the lurking.
- Stuart Dallas
On twitter I always page back through recent tweets before following someone back. Generally speaking if I find at least one message or link that's interesting I follow them. I'm not hugely bothered if I'm not followed back. It's not always bidirectional, what you get out doesn't always correspond to what you put in and that's why I find it useful.
- John Samuelson
from BuddyFeed
I think reasons to why I don't interact more, is that 1) my English is limited 2) I feel I don't know enough about the subject, but still have a great interest in it 3) I am a quiet person... Would you guys block me?
- "Jazzperous" Isaksson
"No Photo, No Friend" Sounds like a good qualifier. I can't help thinking though that there is a ton of people who try something like twitter just to see what it is, don't get it in the first 3 minutes and then give up. Shame.
- Jay McCormack
I try to participate as much as possible but being just a happily married regular "Joe" with a nuclear family may not be very interesting to most. That said, I have received benefits in the form of personal and professional growth as a direct result of participation in social networks.
- Mattb4rd
Sam, Stuart, John, Carl, bing, bing, bing. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Interesting how you can classify users based on who they are following and who is following them. The amount of interaction I'm getting here and on Twitter about this (despite it being 3 a.m. in the morning) tells me that people are finding this a real problem.
- Robert Scoble
A bunch of ghost followers can make the difference, that's for sure. Stupid as it may seem, as a presentation card when you first check someone's tweets, it works. You say, hey this guy has 10000, 20000, 60000 followers so that must be for a certain reason spammers included. But still I wonder what the use is except for a bunch of extra work. It is clear that many will hold on to your tail just to feed on the hosting tweeter but they count too. I suppose that a proper balance is ok.
- Carlos Lorenzo
Jeppe: I think it is a mixture of things. On facebook you'd never get friended because I use it for friends and family. On twitter you just would not get a follow back. Since everyone uses these applications differently it is really a contextual issue. Following me is much different than following Robert, Mike A, Doc Searls, etc.
- Christopher Mercer
Mattb4rd makes an interesting point... problem is I don't think there's such a thing as a regular 'Joe'. Everyone has something to share, a passion, a hobby, a special knowledge of some sort. It's getting beyond the 'what i had for breakfast' posts that provide the real value.
- Jay McCormack
Christoper: Yes, think you are right.
- "Jazzperous" Isaksson
Carlos: well, now that the number of followers people have has no integrity I am looking under other rocks too and finding no integrity elsewhere. Some people really try to keep their accounts clean. Others, including me, let all sorts of muck in. I think I will clean that out. Why? Because now that I'm looking at other people's followers I see that having lame followers around isn't good at all.
- Robert Scoble
Christopher: it's interesting, now that I stuck my foot in my mouth over the weekend on the Twitter suggested friends issue people who work for big brands have been talking to me about what they want on social networks. "Real" is a word I hear over and over again. Why? Because users who participate and push the brands are much more important than users who sit there and do nothing. They've already learned that, so why do we feel so compelled to gather up do nothing followers? I'm going to change that.
- Robert Scoble
John: That's exactly the approach I use. Someone follows me? I will check out his tweets to see if there's at least a few that interest me - then I will follow back. The number of followers is of secondary concern to me. As for the number of tweets, I go for the opposite: I prefer less.
- Matthias Catón
I don't follow anyone new back. Too many of them were flooding my timeline with no participation. If you want to follow me that's fine, but it's only with @ replies that you'll get me to pay attention to what you're doing. I might however drop by the blog.
- Richard A.
I found a new algorithm: the quality of your follower count is totally dependent on how many accounts have non-default pictures. The problem is that if you actually wrote that algorithm and implemented it then the spammers would quickly figure out they better put a new photo on the account.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: In my case I work according to a different algorithm. I unfollow anyone that hasn't replies a single time. I don't follow anyone new until they've exchange a few messages with me. If I want to listen to a monologue I simply go to their blog ;-)
- Richard A.
Robert: This 'particular' influx of masses of spam accounts into Twitter is relatively new. Leo Laporte spoke about it recently. As Twitter gains more and more media coverage, it becomes a more attractive place for people to produce these spam accounts. I got an email through http://thetechnewsblog.com from one of my readers, to say she had been told that they controlled my a few users, who are planning some kind of mass attack on Twitter. Who knows?
- Jim Connolly
Robert: I have been slowly coming to the same conclusion; it is not enough to be careful who you follow, you should also care about who follows you... But doesn't this mean Twitter should change the behavior of the Follow button to Ask Permission To Follow ? (or at least provide it as an option for those who want to filter their followers)
- Antoine Bertier
Does it matter whether it's a picture (like of a human) or just non-default?
- Jay McCormack
Twitter should forget about celebrity accounts and encourage dialogue. What makes any social network work is dialogue. Without conversation twitter would be gathering dust as a home server somewhere.
- Richard A.
Robert, I think in your case the nothing followers are people who have decided to user twitter (in the example of twitter) to follow your activities. In my case they likely just want to spam me (hoping I follow back) and in the one case someone used @<username> to spam me, I blocked them.
- Christopher Mercer
Jim: but look at the accounts that are following TechCrunch. Then compare to the accounts that are following me. Mine have pictures on them. Techcrunch's don't. Mine are participants who Tweet. TechCrunch's are not. It's very strange.
- Robert Scoble
Christopher: I disagree. Some accounts are gathering a lot of these "fake" accounts than my account is, for instance. Why is that?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: That's because Michael doesn't speak with his followers - just broadcasts TC posts. It's easy for spammers to 'follow' him without him noticing. You would notice it AND make some noise.
- Jim Connolly
Jim: maybe, I'm not sure that's true. But it does seem to have something to do with the new Twitter suggested friends list.
- Robert Scoble
A lot of posts are very helpful links to interesting things - which I appreciate. However it's seems really difficult to engage anyone in a real conversation or get an answer to a question.
- Breck Stewart
Robert: If a spammer follows one of those 'suggested friends', they get MORE followers themselves. These accounts are super-active right now. By being seen on those follower lists, people follow the spammers too. It's only a small percentage, but if Veronica or Michael can get 60k new followers in 14 days, the numbers these spammers can get is higher, than if they followed me. On my list, very few people would 'see' them.
- Jim Connolly
Finally some traction on this as I only brought it up on the 14th Feb ;) http://twitter.com/styleti... , as I commented on thetechnewsblog its not just about the fact they are fake and bolstering the numbers think what chaos or hram these 10's of 1000's could do to Twitter if they all started spamming or tweeting at once!?
- roger byrne
You know, there is a website that lets you unfollow inactive users and users that never posted a tweet. Twitter Karma! http://dossy.org/twitter...
- Gloson Teh
and if you look into it further the 'Norm' for these accounts is one update and all following 20-22 of Twitters suggested followers!
- roger byrne
what Christopher Mercer said, on my personal id I only follow people who I think have something interesting to say or whose info I want to see, this also includes friends and family. On my projects id I look at every follower and as long as I don't think its a spam follower I follow them also, but I don't read the posts apart from the first page when I first sign in. There I'm providing info for others. I will reply to any questions of course.
- Tina Clarke
Beau: no, thanks, I hadn't seen that yet. @ev is full of crap. These accounts are totally different than the average Twitter account. Look at my followers. Then go and look at the followers on any of the top 20 accounts. Totally different behavior (no icons, no posts). Personally I don't mind. Twitter has now corrupted itself and I really have lost all caring I used to have over that service. It's why I'm putting my friendfeed likes into Twitter now. I really have no incentive not to push everyone here.
- Robert Scoble
I bet that by the end of March that Twitter goes through and deletes all sorts of accounts. Just watch. These accounts don't help the system out. They look lame because they are lame.
- Robert Scoble
I'm real. I may be boring, but I'm real. ;) I block spammers and I don't automatically follow non-spammers back. I only follow people I am already friends with or new people I find interesting. A particular pet peeve of mine is being followed by self-gurus and social network marketing "experts". Ironically, after complaining about these "Tony Robbins types" on Twitter I was followed by the director of Robbins' films. ;)
- Eric Williams
Eric: no doubt YOU are real. But here's one of the lame accounts: http://twitter.com/Serious... -- following only 20 people. No followers. No messages. Only standard icon. This was created by a computer, not by a human being. Now, go through any of the 20 people he's following and look at the follower accounts. They are all lame! I love it, create tons of fake accounts and make your numbers higher and higher.
- Robert Scoble
"This was created by a computer, not by a human being." - As a categorical statement, I think this goes too far. It could easily be the equivalent of discussion forum lurking.
- John Craft
John: sorry, I disagree. The pattern is out of wack. I'm sure there might be a few people who exhibit this pattern, but not thousands among thousands. Also, the pattern changed a few weeks ago. Explain that.
- Robert Scoble
@john craft Bull and you know it ;) check through pages of followers in fact pick page 200 of any of the ppl and you can see how many accounts this really is that we are discussing here, you ever saw 100,000 lurkers before because this is what this amounts to! Now opposite to Robert I believe these people have no responsibility for this but also the fact there has been no action against it beggars belief why? This could seriously screw up their service!
- roger byrne
And, John, let's say you are right, that these are real humans who created on their own the same kind of account. Follow just the same 20 people. Don't change your icon. Don't post a Tweet. Etc. Etc. Are they as valuable as, say, the people who are following me who actually post, actually have attractive icons, actually follow more than just the defaults? No way, no how. They aren't "real" to advertisers. Why not? Because they exhibit no behavior that will turn into sales. THAT is what advertisers want.
- Robert Scoble
the pattern changed for all accounts at the same time chk twitter counter its 9th -11th of Feb for all these accounts...
- roger byrne
"They aren't "real" to advertisers." That, I agree with.
- John Craft
Roger: Twitter is now corrupted and we are just starting to understand the beginnings of what happens when you corrupt your community. Luckily we have a non-corrupted community here to contrast with Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Thank Robert I love Twitter and it HAS changed my life so I have no plans to leave or to accuse people of wrong doing but if it was my baby I sure would be taking care of it much more!
- roger byrne
roger: me too, but they don't listen to their real users. I guess I should have just been a user like TechCrunch. In fact, I'm starting to understand just how right Mike Arrington is when he pointed out to me that I should blog more on a service that I can control.
- Robert Scoble
This is a serious issue that needs to be addressed. If I'm twittering a robot then I'm wasting my time!
- Captain Jack
Captain: nah, I've learned over and over again that blogging/twittering into the wind actually can be useful. I've Twittered things just to get them off my chest, for instance. I've also blogged things just to get them into Google so I can pull them out later. On Twitter I could get readers just by having fun with http://search.twitter.com -- no followers needed.
- Robert Scoble
Captain: it's a serious issue because this, and the very lamely developed suggested friends feature, demonstrate that there's something Rotten in the State of Denmark. But we already knew that because of how many times we have seen the fail whale over past two years.
- Robert Scoble
I find myself checking to see if someone has a blog in their profile also. So for me it's photo+blog=friend.
- Jay McCormack
As the government is so keen to do when there is wrong doing, they call for an investigation. I think its time to call for an investigation and demand answers. I for one don't want to use a system that inflates its number for personal gain. I have discovered that having control is better when social networking. Twitter reminds me of those networking lunches where everyone is expected to give 2 referrals.
- Russ Jackson
And all of these "followers" follow exactly 20 people... I'm enlightened. I was wondering what was happening to my modest Twitter account when it suddenly started attracting all kinds of unlikely followers recently - but it's probably the same thing, machines, and not a sudden burst in popularity. Oh, well. Thanks for reminding me of my FriendFeed account via Twitter.
- Terje Fjelde
Jay: that certainly works for me. Russ: I don't worry too much about it. If I can figure this out with 15 minutes of poking around so can everyone else. I am sure a bunch of these accounts will disappear soon. Twitter doesn't want to be embarrassed by this because it won't help them monetize anyway. Unless they are charging per thousand views and then advertisers will figure out the accounts aren't real very quickly anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Playing devil's advocate: Isn't it also possible that many of these "lame" accounts belong to people who just recently joined? They haven't spruced up their profiles, haven't had the courage to tweet, only follow recommended twits, and are generally feeling their way around the service before getting fruitfully involved. Of those, I bet a large number decide Twitter isn't for them and leave their accounts dormant.
- Eric Williams
Eric: it's possible, but very unlikely (it's also possible I could win the lottery four times in a row). After all, this was NOT the behavior of lurkers BEFORE Feb. 6. Why would it change on that date? You really think there are lurkers out there who'll behave exactly the same in groups of thousands? I don't. Not possible, because of how people get pulled into Twitter. You get pulled in by your friends. So, there will be some variability there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert I agree if you can figure it out in 15 minutes than everyone else can too. I was saying it tongue and cheek. It says something about those who have to inflate there numbers though. Perhaps they are lacking in something or in an area. LOL
- Russ Jackson
Sounds like you're really letting this nonsense get to you. Relax. The free market of ideas that is the net will sort it out before long. If Twitter sucks, it won't survive. Then again, I'd have expected MySpace to die a horrible death long ago. Hmm...maybe Twitter won't die, but it'll become an internet ghetto for the terminally lame (like AOL). ;)
- Eric Williams
my app works on its own as well as as the frontend for the twitter team themselves. Instead of having to report @spam and then go through all your friends to find the bastard to block.... it would auto-parse out 'potential and known' spammers into a group.. one click and your account is clean, meanwhile any new ones are sent off to a convenient way for the twitter team to once-over the account to see if its legit or if its spam.
- Brent Terrazas
Eric: online communities have been getting to me since 1985. You're right, just because something sucks doesn't guarantee its death. In fact, it can easily get much more popular, even with these flaws. That said, now I have something new to think about. It's not the end of the world. Just the end of the importance of followers. :-)
- Robert Scoble
In the last month there have actually been close to 7 full blown twitter mass account creation and/or twitter mass account spammer apps released. Some cost over $200. Regardless, everyone i Affiliate marketing is going ga-ga over this... this is literally the beginning of a new era of twitter spam..
- Brent Terrazas
I never gave a rat's ass how many people followed me anyway. As long as I have enough followers to maintain interesting conversations, I'm happy. :)
- Eric Williams
Eric: you don't need any followers to have interesting conversations. Friendfeed proves that. :-)
- Robert Scoble
This is my first real FriendFeed convo. I'm still not entirely comfortable here. Keeping track of conversations feels like too much work. Either I have to visit the web page and manually reload or use something like Twhirl and drown in a flood of data. Am I just really dense? Is there an easier way to keep up without being overwhelmed that I just don't know? Is the learning curve less steep than I think?
- Eric Williams
Are followers following someone else's follows just because they deem that person to be an influential tweeter?
- Mark Fletcher
Eric: I just use the web page and refresh.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: I don't think so. Three weeks ago I was on Twitter's top 10 list, so should be getting nailed if that's the case. I'm not getting nailed that way.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Excuse my ignorance, but surely you know someone with connections at Twitter? Ask them. There's something seriously weird going on.
- Jim Connolly
Jim: I'll ask Biz when I wake up.
- Robert Scoble
Still trying to get my head round friend feed. as far a Twitter goes, I follow a few "celebrities" and interesting people but most of my actual "tweets" are intended for my family and real life friends. I guess most people who don't know me personally won't be interested that I've just walked the dogs or I'm going to bed, but friends and family will be as they will know if it is ok to phone or visit me. My facebook is really only intended for my family.
- Andy
Robert, you and I think a lot alike so there's really nothing more I can add. It. would be nice to have some sort of threshhold setting that a person has to have nnn posts before you can follow them. But then, that could be gamed also.
- Keith Barrett
they're building them like you build blog farms.... at first while amassing quantity, you don't spam outsiders, u link up and spit out aggregated comments, then at somme point boom.. all 5k go off and spam.... onto the next 5k...etc..friending a top 10 would=ban
- Brent Terrazas
I don't twitter a lot but that is because who would find my changing nappies and going to pick up the kids from school interesting? Okay maybe one day of that but everyday the same tweets? I'm one of the ones that find other lives more interesting than my own at the moment until things start to get interesting in my own!!!! and no I'm not embarrassed to admit that.
- May
As far as I see, even unreal followers can help to get real ones. Many people just look how many follower you have, and only follow you, if you seem to be popular a.k.a. having a lot of followers. It's like real life. You getting more and more attractive, if more people think you are :) Weird? No, just human nature.
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
A large chunk are just people that are hoarding contacts.
- Gerard Vanschip-Miyama
Beau: the main goal of a private account seems to be to make the tweets private (they are do not appear in everyone, or in search for instance). The interesting side effect is that you get to filter your followers, but there is no reason to limit this feature to private accounts. The issue is not to prevent valueless accounts to get my updates (since they are meant to be public) it is rather to prevent them from polluting the list of followers that appear on my profile.
- Antoine Bertier
Almost every time I "tweet" I get several notices that so and so is now following me. when I go through to their accounts, twitter have usually deleted them or they have nonsense tweets about this or that product that i "need" to enhance my life
- Andy
What is real? I have to remind you, Robert, that we met online. And now we are real. I met @stevegillmor, @karoli, @mobilejones, and so many more people online and they are as real to me as @chelseahardaway, my daughter, who is now also my online friend. It' a blur. I know tons of my Twitter and FB friends personally.
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
Where's the white paper on this? You should be writing it.
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
I seem to have added about 50-60 followers in the last day or on Twitter, which is unusual for me. Honestly, I wonder why as I am not a heavyweight twitterer...nor do I think I post anything particularly profound or even useful. The only things I changed recently were putting a bio, blog link and headshot in, so I assume that this is what many people look for...I think the human factor is sometimes lost with the proliferation of social networking.
- John Samuelson
I have a number of accounts in places where I participate by observation. Seriously. We all pick and choose what we do with limited time and endless choices of what to do with that time. I've only been "twitter-active" for the last week or so, "twitter-dormant" for a year or two. The point is that I don't recommend writing off the silent majority as spammers or of no use. They contribute by being the audience for much of what goes on, via Twitter and other channels.
- Colin Wheeler
Are you going to blog your numbers? That would be cool if you did.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Also, an analogy I like using - swimming in the sea; some folk are OK to jump in where it's deep, others want to slowly inch their way into the waves, others will stand still and wait until the tide reaches their chest ... but they are all getting wet! And probably all will end up swimming to one degree or another. Well, it sort of explains my point ;-)
- Colin Wheeler
It's amazing how many fake accounts I see trying to connect with me. I'm still a small Twitter user and getting everyday a couple of spams, is way too much.
- Zack Brandit
Robert, are you trying to fight with Turing test? :)
- A.T.
Speaking only for myself: I follow a lot of people because in my position (someone who teaches new media journalism) it is a potentially valuable way of keeping up with thought leaders (like you, Robert!) ... and is increasingly replacing my use of RSS feeds. While I would also like to accumulate my own cadre of followers, at this point in time I still prefer to spend my time on longer, more thoughtful items (i.e., blog posts) than tweets. That may change in the future.
- Rich Gordon
i'm real.... just real quiet :)
- todd
I am a human :)
- Joe Dawson
I like to follow Twitter conversations from my iPhone but often don't like to type out a response if I'm away from a keyboard. And it just feels odd responding to a tweet that's been up for a while. So not sure if that makes me one of the odd ones that watches more than comments, but it works for me :)
- craterdweller
Have you seen Brooks Bayne's post on this subject: http://brooksbayne.com/post... - seems to confirm what you're saying Robert. I've been thinking of zeroing my twitter followers and asking the real people to re-follow. Bet I'd lose 50% or more.
- Leo Laporte
Maybe I should start working again on my little web app, that lists your followers and the date of their most recent tweet. I guess it's also possible to get the number of updates along with this time/date...
- Holger Eilhard
Last summer I took a look at the full feed from Identi.ca, and found that around 25% of all registered users had posted only once. Only half had posted more than 5 times, and IIRC, the 80/20 "rule" applied and ~80% of the traffic came from the top 20% of users. I'd be surprised if Twitter's stats were much different (chart: http://kshep.posterous.com/more-id...)
- Ken Sheppardson
I think there's a lot of dormant accounts. Join, use the service for a bit, then fade away. Takes too much work to maintain a lot of networking sites.
- Barry Biddlecomb
from twhirl
I think there are only 5 real people out there. :)
- mikepk
I think real <> volume. Isn't the value of this technology many frequent intersections on many different threads...Is there a map that shows the frequency of those people's interactions elsewhere? We (I) don't all have time to trawl through the feeds alll the time. It's an attention economy and we (I) split it between about 7 sources on average every day..?
- dromologue
mikepk: I'm convinced there are ~101,000 real people, as I've seen that many in one place at one time in person (Michigan Stadium.. Go Blue). The rest is all CGI. Of course there's no reason you should believe me, as I'm just part of the plot to deceive you.
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm real . Blip beep zip <CR> <LF>
- Ken Pruett
I'm real, at least I'm pretty sure I'm real.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
from twhirl
Far better of an argument is how much traffic is truly real.
- Patricia
I think active users who are authentic = real. I have been getting lots of phonies following me lately. Get real!
- Jeremy Campbell
from twhirl
wow, such a long and winded thread discussing phenomena of followers and following. it is very simple, really. follow whom you think is interesting to you and with whom there might be possible exchange of information and life experience. I do find Robert and some of his friends quite intersting. I do however not follow the A-lister bloggers or entrepreneurs whose feeds are prevalently twitter insider info. Fake followers? That happens, it is inevitable with FF- and Twitter-like architecture. Live with it.
- Hayk H.
I find twitter is just a entertainment tool. It's better served for popular people to make fans feel like they have a live channel to their idol. Marina of hotforword.com uses twitter for such purpose. She doesn't even follow me on twr and I'm her assistant on her website. Micro blogging just waste too much time when one could spend it on adding more content to your master blog.
- Captain Jack
I'm real. But I must admit that I do a lot more following on twitter (and here) than posting. And I only follow informed people. Don't care for the silly stuff.
- lolise
This thread proves one thing, Robert: your friendfeed followers certainly are "real." :) The number of comments on this thread are a bit overwhelming.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
It's not about "how many" - it's who, in what context, and by what percentage. Check out http://twitter-friends.com for a glimpse of the social network analytics that addresses these questions.
- Lawrence Liu
Greetings Robert, some of us use the social channel as our news source. We do not input a lot however we are consumers of the feed. Does that make us not real?
- James Tallman
James: you're real, I wouldn't worry. Here's the deal, though. "Real" people always exhibit random behavior. Always. Whenever you see 10,000 people who sign in, add the same people, don't do any posts, don't customize their icon, don't add any random friends, that can be demonstrated to be fake. Why? Cause everyone hears about Twitter from someone else and there's variability in the friends they add. At least there was before February 6. What happened after that date? Twitter's community was corrupted.
- Robert Scoble
I'd say based on recent twitter experience about 25%. I'm a relative nobody, and my followers quadrupled. My guess is they are all REAL nobodies.
- jcunwired
The challenge is that many tools use the number of followers to "rank" you and make you an influencer. Is it right? No, but we have to play with the rules we have.
- Julio F ~ @SocialJulio
For us newbies on twitter and friendfeed, it's pretty challenging navigating all the comments. A lot of interesting stuff out there but it moves so fast you almost have to be plugged in 24/7 to catch the conversation that most interests you. That's tough when we all have lives outside the Internet ;-) I'm wondering if there are unwritten "rules" I missed somewhere...How long can we be silent (attending to other business) and still be considered "real" followers?
- Donna Horne
Julio: bing. Which is why the integrity of Twitter is now gone. Advertisers might be fooled, but not for long. This world passes info around so fast it'll make your head spin so anyone who buys advertising (or hands out access or something else like review units) based on Twitters follower numbers is lame and deserves to be ripped off.
- Robert Scoble
I believe twitters integrity is being challenged by its own success and spamming, hopefully this opens up the market for friendsfeed and 3rd party filtering applications.
- Carl Plant
Carl: Twitter's integrity is being challenged by its own stupid decisions and lame algorithms. But they probably will just arrogantly write off this as the ranting of someone who was punished by them. Which is true.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - bingo!
- Susan Beebe
I'll only follow if people have made the effort to upload a photo, sent at least a few messages to show me they're going to give me something to follow and most of all - dont proclaim they are the best at anything / use their twitter account as a billboard..
- Matt Randles
also, a tool to go through existing contacts and see those who have less than 10 updates or say no updates in the last 90 days ... with intention of removing would be cool, unfortunatly the twitter api limits mean running it would have to be low process and could take a long time..
- Matt Randles
I'm working on a Fast Company article about Netbooks (those small $500 computers). Would love to discuss your experiences here:
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My favorite is the Samsung. How about yours? Why?
- Robert Scoble
Dell Mini 9. Very decent keyboard,all solid state,lots of usb ports, 1 gig ram.Feels like a proper machine, just ultra portable. Good value. Runs like a dream with windows 7.
- Nik
I was considering a netbook but I held back from buying it now. Looking forward to what you have got !
- Jaffer
I really enjoy the HP Mini despite the crappy trackpad the EEE Pc's look too much like toys that the problem I have. I was looking to buying one around Christmas but everyone had some flaw I just didn't want to handle. It seems there is no perfect or even close to perfect :-(
- Will Reynolds Young
I bought the Asus EEEPC 900 linux last year. For sofa surfing, and server room shennigans they are brilliant. Im annoyed at the lack of batterylife in them however I understand the MSI Wind is a better product todate
- Nik Butler
I don't have one but I think they would be great for conferences. They seem to be the right size - smaller than a laptop but bigger than a mobile phone.
- Kim Dushinski
Nik: what did you compare it to before buying the Dell? Why did that one stick out for you?
- Robert Scoble
Wondering how much of a real trend netbooks are - they are cheap, ok , but you get what u're paying for... a couple of extra bucks and u get a real productivity tool - all in all it's good for on-the-run bloggers though ;)
- ksso
HP 2133. High resolution and solid feel outweigh the concerns regarding the awkward trackpad.
- Fred Offenburger
Hey Robert. The portability and superb battery life makes it far easier to get work done on the move. Here in the UK I am starting to see them everywhere. Low price point also going to make them super-attractive right now! Windows 7 and linux fly on these pocket rockets!
- Jim Connolly
been looking at the MSI Wind u120 for a while now but haven't pulled the trigger yet. looks like a great machine that can run windows or OSX.
- The Last Epic
i agree with Nik, the Dell mini 9 is a great little netbook but then the HP mini does have the looks. I have a samsung laptop now, its not a netbook but a 17" laptop and i hate it. So samsung laptops+netbooks fail for me.
- Allan Jones
I love netbooks because of the small size. I frequently fly coach and need smaller computers because of the seat pitch. Also, sitting on the couch with friendfeed is just fine for a small computer.
- Robert Scoble
I also have a dell mini 9, love it. The keyboard does take a little getting used to, but with 1gb ram, it runs like a dream. It was a lifesaver on our road trip from Boston to Memphis. Hooked the ipod into it, used it as a in car entertainment device, was great. Love it.
- Nick
I purchased an Asus 4G (7") when they first came out, loved it, but the keyboard was way too small to be productive on it. I've recently picked up the 1000H with a whopping 160GB drive and a much more spacious keyboard. main usage is to do some offline development so battery life was important and you get plenty out of the eee units.
- Serdar
CASASSOVICI: Netbook sales exploded in 2008, CNET reports: http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops... (they aren't the only ones).
- Robert Scoble
I've lusted after a MacBook Air, but I saw an article suggesting OS X can run on these and so now looking for suggestions.
- Conor Ogle
I was just contemplating these the other day as a small 'utility' device. Something that I could use as a remote-control, so to speak, for all my home network devices. The low price point is what has attracted me as well. Can't wait for the article.
- Walt Ruppar
I user the Acer Aspire One 150 with Windows XP with ext battery last up to 5 hours - good keyboard - will try to install Windows 7 on it
- Michael Greth
I set one up for a client last week, my initial thought was "cheap, slow." Was a Dell Mini. I can see where if speed/performance were not so much an issue, they could be convenient for portability requirements, as mentioned by Kim and Nik.
- Christopher Dickens
As long as your covering Netbooks, I was wondering if you saw the patent filings for what looks to be a tablet or large iTouch. Do you think this is Apple's answer to the Netbook? Here's the link; http://is.gd/idvq
- Michael Fidler
Felt more robust than the eee /acer/hp, and better specs, at least at the time (November). Light and solid state means you can (literally) throw it in a bag and forget about it, which has brought a surprisingly different feel to computing. No matter how light, regular laptops always feel somewhat like a burden to carry/stow/etc.. A netbook has none of that, and if it's specced high enough, you sacrifice little in the way of your regular internet activities.
- Nik
Its a funny phenomenon. We've been tracking 8-10" netbooks as UMPCs since 2006. They we re expensive. Not popular. No-one really wanted one or could justify one. Now, price has changed a lot of peoples minds!
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Also, if i had some extra money i think i would get the sony notebook; http://bit.ly/sonynotbook
- Allan Jones
Once they get powerful enough, it would make sense to just have a netbook, and plug into keyboard and monitors elsewhere. Until then, they're a counterpart to your main machine that I'd find hard to give up now.
- Nik
The asus is a good one - its small - good to check email and hit the web . . .if you use web apps for most of your daily routine then a netbook would work. If you are opening documents or moving around media files . . probably not the right machine - not enough RAM.
- Steve
Allan: the Sony looks cool but for the price the Samsung delivers better performance for far less.
- Robert Scoble
My wife despised computers. Now she loves using a Netbook. Why? Size so she can drop it in her purse and carry it everywhere. Here videos on this at GottaBeMobile.com show the attraction that non-geeks have to these devices.
- Warner Crocker
I'm in China-what dyou know about Hashee netbooks?
- Betsy
Betsy: no, would love to hear more.
- Robert Scoble
I own the Aspire One. I'd say I've gone from taking a laptop with me every once in awhile to pretty much keeping the A1 with me about 90% of the time. The portability factor is awesome.
- Shawn Farner
I have an Acer Aspire One and love it. Portability is awesome and with a 6 cell battery upgrade I get about 5 hours of usability. People comment on the small keyboard but I find the main keys (alphabet that is) perfectly fine and only miss on some of the surrounding keys (e.g. shift). Not for gaming or high end apps (e.g. CAD) but for everything else simply superb. Oh, and just because it's called a "netbook" doesn't mean you have to work completely in the cloud. 160 GB for storage. Oh, and Win XP.
- Bob Starr
Robert: im still not sure about samsung laptops. as i said, i have one and im not happy with it. was kind of a let down. i would have to think twice before buying another samsung laptop/notebook
- Allan Jones
I'm a teacher, and use an EEE701 to plan and deliver all my lessons - really useful bit of kit + runs Linux, so I can also get them used to the fact that Microsoft isn't the only way to use a computer.
- Rich
Acer Aspire One user here. Needed something small enough to fit in my purse, big enough to function as needed. Happy with it.
- SchoolPR
I predict netbooks will soon morph into "pocket" netbooks. A screen that folds in half and a keyboard that folds in half. A 9" screen netbook will fold down to a 3" X 4" pocketable device that when unfolded out 4 ways has a usable screen and keyboard. With the advances in OLED and flexible screens the arrival of the all-in-one computer/communication device is closer than many think. The "netbook" form-factor is the most important, but I think yet unrecognized, step towards that.
- Gregg H.
Well, "500$" doesn't apply to the best netbook on the market right now: the Sony P. I wish I had the money 2 buy it... :(
- Raul Pereira
@scobleizer "Netbook sales exploded in 2008" => sure they did, netbooks seem cool from an uneducated user point of view - yet apart from a couple mobile geeks all of my friends found a better use as a bookshelf for theirs (and as it's pretty light it might not even be good for that) - YET the latest netbooks with 500+USD price point are more in the ultra-portable segment imho (almost 1kg, big screen....)
- ksso
Love the Eee901 Hate Xandros, would rather have XP. Will install ubuntu at some point. Great for travel & meetings, never had a problem with battery life, wi-fi connection not always great
- Richard Grieve
Small size, small weight, battery life and usability = the magic equation of mobile devices, iPhone is pretty close, netbooks have it
- Christophe Pierret
I'm a small business owner who needed to reduce the "weight" of my laptop and opt for the basics of a netbook. I struggled between the Dell Mini and the HP Mini. Dell Mini is only sold online -- I need to touch and feel a computer first, having already had bad luck with Dell I was reluctent. The HP doesn't have VGA out, a problem for me because I do lots of presentations requiring...
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- Matt Carlisle
netboooks supposed to fill a niche between smartphones & laptops.But realistically if you looking for bang for the buck netbook does not provide neither the bang nor the cost savings.Id say it will be a stepping stone to something else, few geeks & dumb nincompoops ( fooled by marketing) will buy it but for most this is a wait &* see year.
- Baba
If small size isn't what you want, for $500 you can get a lightly used laptop and a new battery. That's the way I've always done it.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
oh and with settings down, I can play world of warcraft on my dell :) what more do i need!
- Nick
Acer Aspire One 1GB XP 160GB 6-cell $379 Costco. The larger battery is key because you get around 5-6 hours. Windows 7 worked out of the box, no problems. I love it. I use my 17" desktop replacement for real work, my netbook for everything else. When I travel, I no longer have to ask "Do I really need my laptop?" Netbooks fill the gap between laptop and smartphone. Three huge advantages of netbooks: small, cheap, awesome battery life. Fail if 3-cell or > $400.
- andy magoon
My Asus-Aspire is the best investment I've made in tech in a long time. The netbook provides ease of use where it is needed when neither a smartphone or laptop are appropriate. Those with solid state drives will likely be able to withstand the abuse making them more desirable when the capacity increases. For a college student taking notes and logging in Facebook what else is needed.
- Paul M Done
Also it's fun to see how the market started at a 300€ price point (event 200 when with a jointed mobile data plan) to evolve towards a 500€+ price point
- ksso
I got my MSIWind U100 last week 2GB RAM, installed windows 7, installed BIOS 1.09 Overclocked 25%, More than satisfied with it...fine user support on the net MSIWind WIKI etc.....paid $527 in Denmark.
- Joseph Jahn
Check out the MSI X320 It's an ultrapotable/netbook, that was designed to compete with the Macbook Air. Her's a review from CES http://blog.laptopmag.com/hands-o... It was one of the stars of CES, but it's not available yet.
- Michael Fidler
I have an aspire one w/XP (now dual boots win 7), 1 gig, 160 g hd, It works great, wouldn't want to write a book on the keyboard but fine for email. Use it for internet, watch tv shows and movies. Wouldn't do without it now.
- Curt Kelly
got an acer aspire one i slammed xp on, the linux distro that came with it was problematic with wireless from the 10 mins testing i gave it before formatting... bluetooth or hsdpa would complete it but theres 3 usb on it, which is more than my 'big' laptop has, so i can forgive it a cable to my phone
- Matt Randles
Hi Robert - I purchased an Aspire One - 160GB Model. Installed Windows 7 (use it as sole OS) and went through the cumbersome process of upgrading the memory to 1.5GB. Overall - I love it! It's compact yet has enough horsepower and storage to necessity apps (Windows, Office, iTunes, etc.) and store my content. Only downfalls of it are - not upgrade friendly and touchpad which I believe are being address in the new 10" versions. Great investment for my needs!
- Neilesh Daji
Here's something I wrote on the matter, it might help: http://channel.hexus.net/content...
- Scott
We got the 10" HP Mini with the 16 Gig SSD and 1 Gig of Ram (which we doubled for $40). The built in webcam is horrendous with hardly any picture controls but the size is great. I took it on the road with me and almost died when I was sitting in bulkhead and was able to slide it into the small plastic magazine holder in front of me.
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
here in austria A One gives you a NetBook called the Q10 Air on XP, 160 HDD running a 1,6 Ghz Intel Atom, you pay 29 Eur / month and have 5 G data transfer, 3, A Hutchinson Co., offered an Eee PC ( not sure exact model ) with a similar data-transfer contract at a comparable price, some business clients are opting for NetBooks instead of Laptops because they weigh less, cost about as...
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- atul abraham
from twhirl
I much prefer the $500 base model regular size laptop from dell
- Christian Burns
enjoying my HP Mini.
- MikeAmundsen
I have the Dell Mini 9 and while the size can't be beat, I am wishing I had purchased a small "regular" laptop instead - or one from another manufacturer. The placement of the quotes/apostrophe key on the Dell Mini 9 is atrocious and forces me to constantly edit. I will likely buy a portable USB keyboard to deal with this since I am not going to give up on this purchase just yet. However, I would recommend to others looking to buy a Netbook to really review the specs before buying.
- Jamie Sanford
My favorite is eee pc 900a due being one of the smallest 8.9 inchers with atom cpu. It has great big multitouch mouse pad and good durability. It's just $230 but i updated it with fast 64gig ssd, 2gigs of ram, touch screen and 3G... dual booting xp pro and windows 7.
- jkkmobile
I gotta say that I love my Apsire One (currently set up to tri boot XP, Win 7 and Ubuntu Netbook). I've mainly been using Win 7 on it as it's great on supposedly low end hardware, but on a recent road trip, I pushed the Aspire to the limit. http://www.rgbfilter.com/... is a recent post I made about my experiences using it during a road trip, watching streaming video via Orb while tracking our position using Google Earth, with data and GPS connectivity being sent to the Aspire via a smartphone.
- Doug
PS : my main workstation is an 8 G gaming rig dual-boot to WIN 7 BETA & Vista Ultimate, i also use a Sony Viao VGN FZ 21 M. Plus a back up PC ( an Austran reseller brand ).
- atul abraham
from twhirl
My MSI Wind has been a boon to me as an IT Pro - I can sit in bed at night, remote into my servers and do work on them quickly and then get back to my netflix movie. Win7 runs great and it flies through whatever I throw at it. Plus having it quad boot impresses the girls (the nerd ones anyway...)
- david
have you seen this $10 laptop from india http://www.guardian.co.uk/world... (Probably vaporware)
- anand
Digging the Aspire One VERY much. Made it dual boot with XP and Ubuntu, not having any problems yet. I love discrete size. I'm fine with the 8.9 size--if I wanted bigger I'd go with a full laptop. Great screen. Runs everything I want and the keyboard works for me. Not a fan of the touchpad either, but I am very pleased for the money.
- Tracey Patterson
Oh yeah, like others said, unlike a 'real' laptop, netbooks are much more portable, meaning you're more likely to bring it to places where you MIGHT need a computer, and you don't have to worry about packing an annoying laptop bag.
- Doug
Picked up an Aspire One yesterday - WinXP (spec, spec, spec). Installed Skype, Trillian, Photoshop CS2, Office 2007, Twhirl, Firefox, CCCP, all w/o a problem. I was replacing the need for a PDA (x50v Axim). I have an XPS m1710 - too large for random bolting from the office to work in a coffee shop. I'm stoked.
- Enrique Gutierrez
from twhirl
I believe the netbooks we have seen till now are the first generation of the netbooks. With the second generation, we'll be much more amazed. As @cpierret said "Small size, small weight, battery life and usability" are the key factors. I believe they'll get less heavy, have better battery and their usability will boost in 2009. My personal choice: Asus EeePC 1000H
- Goktug Gedik
I'm using an Asus 4G right this very second. Great battery life, fair O/S, keyboard is too small for me, decent screen, very compact and lightweight... Overall it has been a great experience. With the advent of 'cloud' storage and web-based mail, photo editing and document creation it makes a good case to carry this instead of a big laptop when travelling.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I live on mine when I am traveling, the battery life on the plane is great about 8 hours, I use it for podcasts, I use it to write blog entries, I use it to upload pictures to smug mug, but I really use it when I am traveling, lighter, longer battery life, does what I need it to do for a "on the go blogger/program director" if you want a quote. :-) I really love my netbook.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
really want to get a netbook, love the portability and price, ideal for conferences.
- Kipp Bodnar
My Eee PC 1000H experiences: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Erhan Erdogan
I got my 10" MSI Wind with the 6-cell battery when it first came out and for my purposes (web-surfing while watching tv), it's golden. No way in hell it'd work as a primary machine though. For me anyway.
- ronin
I'm still waiting for a solid netbook OS to come out and deliver on the idea of these things serving as a Portal to our documents in the sky. I'm more than happy with 4GBs of solid state hard drive if I can safely and securely access my home/work networks and computers. If Windows 7 can facilitate this then I think they could very well corner the market.
- Tyler Brownfield
I love my MSI Wind U100. I pretty much use it at home as my primary laptop. When I do use a normal-sized laptop it just seems huge to me as compared to the Wind. I'm over 40 and use reading glasses, but the smaller screen is not a problem for me.
- J.D. Deutschendorf
Lenovo S10, 1Gb RAM, XP - love this thing. Light, portable, cheap (I paid <$300). Am able to get it to choke, though, with FireFox with 20 tabs open + Outlook + Excel + TweetDeck running. I can live with it, though - haven't turned on my desktop since the day I bought this thing.
- Tom Halle
Who needs a netbook? My iPhone *is* my netbook. I have decent web browsing, real e-mail and media playback. Something that needs more than an iPhone to do the job probably needs more than a netbook, too.
- Jonathan Fingas
Netbooks with Intel Ion Technology is coming, NVidia GeForce 9400M and intel atom processor together, for gaming !! http://tinyurl.com/67pkfm
- Rocky
Recently bought a netbook for my boss. I went with the hp mini. I find its made better than the asus. It also has a built in Verizon card. I did run into a problem when I had orginally bought the same machine from Circuit City and it stated on the website that it had the "built-in" wireless card. But after hours of technical support the fast talking asian man state that the laptop that I bought would not work. I had to buy it directly from HP.
- ryan
Seems like kind of a lazy way to do a story.
- Carol Vinzant
The plan to make 13" notebooks based on Intel's Atom platform indicates that some people don't care too much about computing power anymore. It's all about having lightweight access to the web, and web applications.
- Meryn Stol
Carol: Couldn't disagree more. Today the only excuse for not beginning a story this way is ignorance or misguided notions of how a reporter/journalist is supposed to traditionally research and background something. There's a billion people with ideas and information itching to share it. Can't think of one good reason not to tap that.
- Gregg H.
This is how cutting-edge journalism is done nowadays, and it's the smart (not the lazy) way to do it.
- Sean McBride
LOL @ Carol - he is ASKING for your EXPERIENCEs with a Netbook. thats GOOD journalism. and Sean this is how good journos have ALWYS worked. shee, you want him to make stuff about netbook users up ?
- atul abraham
from twhirl
I bought an Eee PC (901, I believe). Very portable. Keyboard took some getting used to. Used mainly for browsing. Chrome or Firefox (in minimalist mode) and full screen were great for it. Potential as a notetaking device with One Note or Evernote. Watched Transformers on it and it played well enough.
- Arlan Koizumi
Carol: I have been studying netbooks for a long time. Went to CES in Las Vegas. Went to IFA in Berlin. Went to computer malls in Shenzhen, China. And now I'm asking your opinions. Personally I agree with Gregg. You are totally in the wrong here. Good journalists learn to listen to the real experiences of people on forums and online.
- Robert Scoble
I keep wanting to pull their trigger, but I'm hearing the XP drivers they had to create are buggy ie. scroll bars. Anyone having that problem?
- Dave Gambrill
Hey Robert - Brian from Seagate here. I'm interested in the percentage of flash based netbooks to HDD based. My sense is that netbooks are moving up in capacity dramatically.
- Brian Ziel
Brian: One of the problems I've read about with Netbooks using SSD's is that their performance degrades whenever lots of writes have to be made. For instance, when writing to cache webpages. This was a problem with the Asus EEE 900A, granted it did have a slower than usual SSD. Are writes getting better with newer SSD's?
- Gregg H.
I don't think netbooks are replacements but rather secondary machines. Good for travel or sitting on the couch watching TV. Won't replace a high-end laptop or desktop.
- Michael Sheehan
from twhirl
Michael: For a lot of people, yes they will be replacements. Intel knows this, and they hate that they have to even make an Atom. That's why every time you hear an Intel exec talking about netbooks and even their Atom processor they trip all over themselves to tell you just how bad they really are. AMD is even worse, they are just in denial, and have no plans to even get in the game with a sub 15 Watt processor.
- Gregg H.
Yep, default SSDs on most netbooks are slow.. thats why one should buy either hdd version or minimum capacity ssd version and then upgrade to fast one... there are pretty fast and cheap ssd allready available so if you dont need tons of storage but like ssd speed and durability go for it!
- jkkmobile
I am still waiting for my HP to be delivered, but a few years back, when they were called subnotebooks (and were way more expensive) I had a sub-tablet (10") from fujitsu, the p1310. Having this tiny computer really blew my mind, it was easy to have a computer with you at all times when it weighed only 1kg and was smaller than a hardcover book. I used it for note taking, presentations,...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
My ten year old just purchased one with his own allowance money, and xmas gift cards. He loves it. He sits on his bed watching TV and writing in his journal. He carries it around the house like his mom and dad do with there big expensive laptops. My next computer will be a netbook I've already decided.
- Russ Jackson
To me the killer features for a netbook are keyboard size, touch screen, wifi and battery life (which implies using SSD and no CD drive). I wish there were netbooks without those really annoying touchpads - give me a "nipple" and/or a touchscreen and more keyboard space. My subnotebook would have been a lot less usable without virtualCD technology (which meant i could take software or...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I can see netbooks being main machines for some (okay, a lot of) people. However, I think 10-12 inch screens (and thus, hopefully, larger keyboards) will need to become the base for it to truly take off. Both of my parents have high-end dual core, DVD burner/reader, 15-inch laptops. Yet, only my father makes use of it all. My mother just uses hers for email and web browsing. A netbook would be right up her alley, as long as it's bigger than the usual 8.9-inch fare. And @Brian Ziel, my Eee PC has a SSD.
- Arlan Koizumi
Arlan: VGA out
- Gregg H.
My 23 yo sister and I have Acer Aspire Ones. She takes hers everywhere (fits in her purse) and I've noticed her using it in the kitchen (to cook from internet recipes) as well. I've tended to use mine to websurf while watching sports on TV.
- Charles Fenwick
My Ubuntu-preloaded Dell Mini-9 is on its way back to FedEx since I'm a 9 to 5'r. I'll let ya know what I think after I pick it up tonight. W/my employee discount it dressed out at around $320!
- Eric Rost
Win7 + Acer Aspire One = Awesome!
- Shafiq Jetha
from twhirl
@Gregg H. Yes, at the desk. But what about at the couch? Or using it for reference when working on a car (did this with my MBP; too big)? 10-12-inch is, to me, a nice middle ground between large screen and portability without additional hardware. Of course, being younger and with good-ish eyesight, 8.9 isn't bad and works just well. But compound screen size with keyboard size and it's not so comfy during extended use. For me anyway.
- Arlan Koizumi
Set one up for my cousine. I don't like the keyboard, way to small. But surely it's just a matter of practice ...
- Dennis R.
Got my 901 EEE with Windows 7 on it. Its a 20Gb linux version, but had to install windows 7 on the second partition due to space. Works really well.
- CW™
Robert, I have a Netbook in the UK. A Dell 9. Blogged about experience here: http://digitalagency.typepad.com/digital...
- Mike Coulter
Question to you... do you think that netbooks distribution will be primarily through carriers, like handsets, or via big box channel partners, like notebooks?
- Aimee
I've rolled my Netbook(Asus Eee 701) down a flight of carpeted steps and dropped it above waist height twice. The SSD Drive has to be the best tech of the century.
- Anthony Farrior
it might be off topic but for 500$ I prefer to buy used normal laptop with decent performance and avoid the sluggish, low resolution netbooks ...
- Nir Dremer
Nir, on that point, there are *new* non-netbooks for <$500.
- Wade Dorrell
count me in
- pestwave
I'm a product developer and I use an Asus 1000H with 160GB HDD and 2GB of RAM. I have a full install of Solidworks solid modeling software and it runs without a hitch for simpler parts and assemblies. The 10" screen is adequate for most tasks and the trackpad even has some basic multitouch features. I picked it up during the Live Search cashback promotion in December for $300, delivered. Not bad.
- Luke Westra
My wife reviews b-grade movies at QueenOfCheese.com on her Asus EEE and she loves it. She never takes her full laptop anywhere now that she has net netbook.
- MarkCarras
The new ASUS Eee PC 1000HE is my new lust. It just became available for pre-order at $399. Revamped keyboard so the Right-Shift key is in the right spot. 160GB hard drive plus 10GB of online storage through ASUS included. 802.11n and up to 9.5 hours of battery life with a battery that sits flush in the chassis.
- Kevin C. Tofel
At the moment though, I'm using an MSI Wind with a 2GB RAM upgrade. Great keyboard and nearly 6 hours of battery life. Been running Windows 7 on it since October and the OS rocks on it.
- Kevin C. Tofel
Picked up an Aspire One at Best Buy by impulse and have been using the thing for class notes and when traveling for the last 6 months and have had nothing but good experiences with the thing. Typing is quite easy once you adjust to the keyboard, and multitasking isn't much different than on a standard sized laptop.
- BCK
I've been using an HP Mini 1033 and quite pleased with it. What wins me over? The diminutive size and weight. It's become the one computer I grab to take with me on the go. I've also been using it a lot when sitting on the back porch using Remote Desktop to my bigger (indoor) dev machine when needed. Yeah, it's a little cramped to program with the Mini's small display, but I like being outdoors more.
- Loren Heiny
@Loren HP Mini display is OK in the sun? Man, I wish I could compute outside more... but laptop displays just never work.
- Wade Dorrell
I don't actually have one, but the netbook phenomenon inspired me to take an old Dell laptop I had sitting around, and reformat to just run Firefox and web apps. Small computers have been around for years, but the maturity of the cloud and improvements in power consumption have helped the market for netbooks take off. I look forward to the next generation of these devices.
- Ryan
@kevin This is huge news! =) http://www.engadget.com/2009...
- Goktug Gedik
india is working on $10 laptop http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Infotec...
- varun
What a thread! Anyway, I am underwhelmed by the Dell netbook. Check out my review: http://raddevon.com/review-...
- Devon Campbell
I have just installed OSX on a Dell Mini 9 that I picked up for $250. It's pretty unbelievable.
- Ben Metcalfe
@Robert - I don't have any experience with these, but my dad got one a bit ago. I'm not sure what kind of experiences you are looking for, but if you'd be interested, but he might be able to provide an interesting view from a non techie perspective. Get in touch if you'd like to chat with him.
- Justin Korn
Dell Inspiron Mini Running OSX - http://tinyurl.com/bghzas, has Apple been ripping us off on hardware ?
- atul abraham
from twhirl
Is it straightforward to install OSX?or does this require extensive hacking?
- Lyndon
I think I can´t live without my eee 901 (with xp) anymore. perfect balance of size/weight/features for me. I needed some time to get comfortable with the the keyword and I use a mouse with it. and - it is kind of cute and lovely. never had such a relationship to some techthing, really.
- ★ Esther Rudolph
I'm also in love with my EEE 901 with Linux. I can get actual work done (I'm a software developer) even when I'm far away from my work or home computer. Makes me feel like I'm living a more "online" life.
- Panagiotis Astithas
Waiting for my Lenovo S10E Black - http://larsen82.wordpress.com/2009...
- Qbat
Robert, I'm starting to think, netbooks and phones, may be more ideal for consuming video media, than desktops/laptops. I'm gonna try to get a video feed in friendfeed going, to further explore this paradigm shift. Watching video at a desktop can actually be quite time consuming, and static.
- David Lynch
Ok, so we've agreed this is a great way to research an article, but where is the finished product. I am hoping for some recommendations as I have done zero research of my own and would like to be a lazy, but not misguided, consumer.
- Conor Ogle
Thanks Mike Arrington for taking us off the rails into Twitter idiot land - http://scobleizer.com/2008...
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Brain too tired to think of more thank "keep on keep'n on" to those not succumbing to banality.
- Micah Wittman
inspired me to rant - loved the post http://is.gd/dOGc
- Matt Randles
Robert, you might be interested in a post I made called "What a 10-Year-Old Celloist Can Teach Us": http://www.bluecreativestudio.com/blog... I reference your ideas but see it through the eyes of my son.
- Lance Shields
13,000 people think Facebook is going to start charging in 2009. Please DO NOT invite these folks to FriendFeed. Idiots.
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It's just a hype; I think every service got this stuff. Wait a few weeks, maybe month, and nobody remembers. I've seen this in ICQ over a decade ago.
- Uwe Schwarz
Uwe: yeah, I just think it's funny that some people will believe the lamest crap just because it's on the Internet.
- Robert Scoble
I just remember "Wag The Dog": "the war is over, I've seen it on TV". Same story, many people just believe instead of asking.
- Uwe Schwarz
You can count me in for not inviting them over here!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Robert these 13000 people would not know what to do on Friendfeed and leave in less than 5 minutes of signing up.
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
this isn't the first or the last group like it, it's a good indicator of which of your friends are morons.
- Richard Lawler
Eldon: I hope I don't have that many idiots following me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
How about emails like these: "Bill Gates/Nokia/whatever will donate <something>, if this message is sent to 1000000 people". When I get something like this from some friend, I get disappointed on him/her...
- Jemm
there are 100 of these groups each week... everyone ignores them (well everyone important anyway ;))
- Thomas
Funny thing is - facebook is probably worth $3.99. Although I notice the French says $3.99 per month which would be a bit steep.
- Matthew Neale
but wait, i thought hotmail was closing the free service unless 2 million people add group Z ?
- Matt Randles
These groups are as old as Facebook itself. All they do is prove: heavy Facebook users = lemmings. :p
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I love you, Robert!
- Ladybug Heather
Wow, now it's at 18,000.
- Michelle Martinez
There will always be a VIP group of sorts... back when Facebook started it looked like early adaptors were joining over there. Then came Twitter, now Friendfeed. If Friendfeed gets too mainstream (if that's possible) I'm wondering what's next.
- David Bisset (sn)
Why would they do that? They are already getting tons of money from sponsors and advertisers. Duh!
- Shevonne
@David: In the Web 2.0 world, there's bound to be something new and already in the works. I wonder what it is too, but I'd be surprised if it's not currently under construction, or even ready to launch.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I wouldn't call them idiots. If they believe it, they believe it. So if it happens are the non-believers idiots? Hmmm
- Bwana ☠
:/... I doubt it will happen. They get enough money from advertising surely.
- ralphsaunders
This was the funniest quote I've seen microblogged in a while! Of course how many of these people use to (or still do) pay for Classmates or Reunion, so naturally they believe this garbage.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Reminds me of the false rumors a few years ago about AOL, Yahoo, and MS planning to charge for email to eliminate spam. Move on - nothing to see here.
- Mike Doeff
It's already 39,265 members in that certain group…
- Daniel Schildt
One thing to notice in this compared to older rumors is the amount of speed people notice it.
- Daniel Schildt
I might join and post something saying "Suckas!"
- Shevonne
40,000 now. Wow. I kind of enjoy the silly little worries of people.
- Daniel Zarick
wow. morons. Everybody knows that friendfeed's not gonna start charging until 2010!
- Jim Hearts FF
@Jim - Facebook
- Shevonne
Shevonne... yes, I know. I was referring to Scoble's original post where he urged us not to invite them over here.
- Jim Hearts FF
@Jim - We should. We would probably scare them from ever using the Internet. hahaha
- Shevonne
Shevonne -- good point.
- Jim Hearts FF
These are the same idiots who are worried about being charged per email. I don't think they'd know what to do with friendfeed even if they were invited.
- Mr. Gunn
I wonder how many are over the age 0f 17. How many of voting age are in the group of 13,000.
- Franklin Pettit
I swear that first sentence just made my blood pressure shoot up 20 points. The second sentence rapidly lowered it. I have a few people added who unfortunately take everything forwarded to them as fact. They will never get an invite. This is my hideout from the people who shouldn't be allowed online.
- ilene
Chris, the group is not about pro features. They claim there will be NO free access to FB after Dec 31. Quite a different thing...
- Ray Metzen
And the group has 56,000 members now! Amazing... :(
- Ray Metzen
More than ever… 91,481 members at the moment of writing.
- Daniel Schildt
LOL, yes! Go go go!
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Amen
- Tyler (Chacha)
Is that Strands in your pocket or are you…? Oh it’s Strands - http://digg.com/tech_ne...
"just as awesome using fluidapp as well"
- Matt Randles
Alternative w**king methods - http://digg.com/comedy...
"have u seen what manages to get on there?"
- Matt Randles
slypoll - quick decision poll's with user friendly urls - http://slypoll.com/
slypoll is a quick easy way to get peoples opinions on things that matter to you!
- Matt Randles
slypoll - quick decision polls with user friendly urls - http://slypoll.com/
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nice and quick site to run a poll on
- Matt Randles
slypoll - quick decision polls with user friendly urls - http://www.stumbleupon.com/demo...
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nice and quick site to run a poll on
- Matt Randles
I really wish to see EVERY song listened on last.fm, not only the "loved" ones ... If someone doesn't want them he can hide them.
the amount some people listen to that would clutter the view waaaaay too much, that would be like the google talk thing updaing here everytime i went idle on the messenger...
- Matt Randles
some people can "Hide" ...
- Federico "Edo" Granata
Guess: ?? percent of Friendfeed users still using old site design.
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- Mona Nomura
make that 2 of us.
- Aaron Krug
I've played with the beta a little, but I'm still on the old until the official switchover.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
(Mona you are creative enough! : ) +1 --------->
- Erhan Erdogan
I cheated it for functionality. But old gui nicer than the new one, i admit that.
- Selim Yoruk
beta is my middle name don't u know? I can't help but use beta if it's out there...
- Zee.
85% - I switched and will not go back.
- Russellreno
Beta is working fine, but the only improvement I have seen it's the ability to post photos from the web.
- Alex Sauceda
I'm still on the old one. I don't do betas unless they are a Google product.
- Alex Scoble
Me. It isn't broken, so why fix it?
- ::Kristen::
(12 users, %~92 + a Scoble) : ) Go on survey!
- Erhan Erdogan
At this point my 85% is low. I am surprised.
- Russellreno
Beta - I changed my bookmark
- Sally Church
i do.. but only inadvertently :)
- Tim Hoeck
Just changed my bookmark, will give the beta site a try for a few days...
- Bill Sodeman
I am
- Jeff Quinton
I switched to the beta already.
- Morton Fox
I'm using the beta about 85% of the time.
- Robert Scoble
50-50
- Roberto Bonini
now using beta in a tab instead of twhirl, find it easier to read and i use it more
- Matt Randles
just updated my bookmark to the beta one as i kept forgetting
- Simon Wicks
switched to beta > made a userstyle & using it with Stylish
- slax
Louis: "306 were from friendfeed.com and 273 were from beta.friendfeed.com(=%53)" Great, thanks. Anyone else? Robert? What's your score in your blog? Is it OK to share? Your 85% is a different great case for beta test. I think you should ask the same question to your followers now.
- Erhan Erdogan
there's a new one?
- Bren, Photophobe
Checked out the beta...but the fingers still bring me to the old site. Didn't notice much difference. Not worth the effort to switch before it becomes default, IMO.
- Scott of Two Countries
I've been too lazy to switch. I always click through from iGoogle. Maybe I should check for a new widget?
- Alix Whitmire
Wonder what will Alexa say one week later. Now It's %2 for beta. Hmmm maybe FRIENDFEED TEAM(#PING) will share real numbers in this comments? : )
- Erhan Erdogan
What about those like me that rarely log in and just use Twhirl
- Andrew Fielding
from twhirl
I'm generally using the old one, mainly because I'm too lazy to change the bookmark URL. I do like the new version though, I switch to if it I'm here longer than 5 minutes.
- xero
Andrew: +1, Nice question. : ) Do you have "adding photos" feature now in Twhirl?
- Erhan Erdogan
I checked out the beta. Prefer the old design and switched back to the old.
- kamla bhatt
via Peter's: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Erhan Erdogan
Steve Rubel joined team http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Erhan Erdogan
I'm using FF Beta about 70% of the time
- Igor Poltavskiy
65% like i do:) the new design doesn't extremely attract me
- Elif Salar
currently spending 100% of my time in OLD version.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Holy Sh*t! Just F*ckin' Missed him! - http://digg.com/odd_stu...
"...those darn kids..."
- Matt Randles
Checking out the new Twitter UI - I like it but won't use it. Clients are still better.
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Is it functionally different at all, anyone?
- Tegan Dowling
Don't see how the new UI is easier to use. Yeah, I'll continue using my own Twitter client.
- Morton Fox
you like it but wont use it because we are over at FriendFeed talking about you ..wink wink :-)
- Richard Binhammer
im still not seeing changes on the website (im in the uk cleared cache bunch of times) ... but either way ill use twhirl...
- Matt Randles
from twhirl
Twitter might be the only webservice most people don't use on its own website...
- Matthias Schwenk
No changes to Twitter UI here.
- Russellreno
Wait, Twitter has a web interface? :)
- Paul Wade
personally i really don't like the new interface
- Alensa
Paul: That's it - really great! :-)
- Matthias Schwenk
It's back to normal. I should have taken a screenshot... EDIT: Oh, awesome, I still have the modified version open in a tab, I'll send you guys a screenshot, be right back.
- Vincent X
I've only used the Twitter website for signups and quick account management. Other than that, I access Twitter via SMS, Hahlo, Twhirl... everything else basically.
- Glenn Batuyong
isn't Twitter really a step back from ff at this point.
- Thomas Hawk
Looks like functionality is the same, just different CSS for the UI, AFAICT. Thanks for the screen shot @VincentX
- Jim Bergman
The new UI is gone now. Interesting, they must be doing some A/B testing.
- Robert Scoble
I was able to get a screenshot of the "new" UI http://www.juliofernandez.us/2008...
- Julio F ~ @SocialJulio
Know what's really cool? All of my clients stopped working as soon as they started messing with the new theme. I was so happy that Twitterrific was working so well, and then they took it away from me! :-(
- Josh Bancroft
ugly. what the heck. how is that better?
- Brian Carter
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