Wikipedia roundtable

@jidf @igorthetroll "Instinct told me to ignore the article and move along but curiosity drew me in. Little did I know at the time that this curiosity, which has gotten me into trouble in the past, would introduce me to the dark side of Wikipedia" - Noah David Simon

http://www.igorthetroll.com/blog... "Wikipedia is so infested with radical Muslims that it is not even funny. It looks like their agenda is to literally wipe Israel off the Map!" - Noah David Simon

[[The JIDF (www.thejidf.org) describes itself as a "collective of activists and a non-violent protest group with over 5,000 members and supporters, which seeks in its own way to counter anti-Semitic content [that] promotes terrorism online in places including (but not limited to) Facebook, YouTube, Wikipedia, Google Earth." Apart from its Facebook operations, which the JIDF calls only a small percentage of its activities, the group publishes online "guides" detailing how users can identify sites that promote hateful content. JIDF members also edit content on Wikipedia entries and monitor YouTube and Google Earth.]] This is the only piece where Wikipedia is mentioned and only in the margin. Do you have some proof of "hateful content" whatever this may be for {Allah|God|YHWH}'s sake? Even if you can point this why not just change it. It's the most open application there is on the planet... - Pationl

jidf just fixed the problem. - Noah David Simon

The struggle for the Holy Land may be the world's most ancient conflict. But in one respect, at least, the weapons and the battleground could not be more cutting-edge - Noah David Simon

The struggle for the Holy Land may be the world's most ancient conflict. But in one respect, at least, the weapons and the battleground could not be more cutting-edge - Noah David Simon

Obama worked with Father Pfleger: http://web.archive.org/web... Obama supports same-sex marriage: http://web.archive.org/web... Organizing and Islam: http://web.archive.org/web... Obama's bio from his old law firm (Woods Foundation and Annenberg Challenge are on there): http://web.archive.org/web... Trinity United Church of Christ (Obama's church of 20 years) hosted classes on the black liberation theology of James H. Cone back at the turn of the 21st century, and had been teaching black theology since 1972: http://web.archive.org/web... Obama was a member of the socialist "New Party" (notice the endorsement for ACORN too if you scroll down in the first link): http://www.populist.com/11... http://web.archive.org/web/200 - Noah David Simon

I also understand that there is a number of non-religious leftist Jews who have unfortunately been brainwashed to some extent to believe many of the lies with regard to the "fascist zionist policies" of the state of Israel. Chomsky and Finklestein are, in fact, antisemites. Finklestein also questions the Holocaust, so I personally do not believe his "1/3 of Jewish college students" - and Ha'aretz too leans very much to the left, so they will exaggerate the numbers so as to make it look like there aren't many solid Jewish supporters of Israel's policies. - Noah David Simon

While I agree that most Jews are liberal, I do feel that the vast majority of Jews generally agree with basic Zionist principles (ie. that Israel is the home of the Jewish people.) The bottom line is that while you and I might have an idea of what "a significant number" - this "NonZionist" guy will turn to only the names you mentioned (if he even knows them): NK, Satmar, and the... more... - Noah David Simon

Many Jews who don't suport Zionism? Isn't that a bit like saying there are many African Americans who don't support Abolition and Civil Rights? the fact that some people are for suicide doesn't make it right. - Noah David Simon

Please consider the difference between these two versions of the JIDF article to see how slight alterations can change the entire meaning of something in a completely non-neutral, biased, and inaccurate way. Just one user, Opiumjones 23, was responsible the following case of Wiki-butchering. http://www.thejidf.org/2008... - Noah David Simon

Glaringly obvious attempt to insert the "Palestinian" point of view. - Noah David Simon

"I'm the SEO who did the interview with Durova. I'd like to hear from more folks who know here. aimClear" - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק from Bookmarklet

"Problem is, the NBC staffer broke Wikipedia policy: Wikipedia isn't designed to be a first point of publication." quoting Lise Broer aka Durova from Digg story comment! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק from Bookmarklet

How did NBC find out who the IBS employee was? Was he editing under his real name or as anonymous editor? Durova you or another Wikipedian please address these questions. - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

Please keep yourself open to communication if you want others to see you as a professional Wikipedian! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

I think it would help to invite more Wikipedians here if we going to address the Wikipedian community and get the Social Media community interested in our discussions. - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

What is Wikipedia and what we as Wikipedians are trying to achieve is not a simple answer. To address this question will require more input from other Wikipedians and from the general public. First thing and foremost we must foster better communicating among all sides; hence, the creation of this room. - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

I see David just came here to caress his ego. Every question I raise to him or comment I make towards him he ignores. I never met David and I got involved in this because Durova asked me for help. But David called me a "bore" and a "Troll". Now David is following the famous adage, "Do not feed the Troll." So he resigned that I am a Troll even though he does not know one shit about me or what I do. Yes David, you invite negativity upon yourself. I do not condone it, or do I wish to "Stalk" you as you refer it. But I think someone or some individuals are pocking fun at you in a malice way. - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

Here is a handkerchief, cry a bit. If you have a real stalking problem go see the police. Stop drawing attention to your ego. - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

"stalk - Summize stalk people based on @amandachapel accusations" (http://tinyurl.com/6j6xsn)” - Noah David Simon

Could someone help me understand something? Why is there so much harassment, stalkers, blocking of editors, and other things happening on Wikipedia? I think somewhere Igor asked why there weren't more people here from Wikipedia, I mean maybe I don't belong here, but I joined to find out more about this, and really don't understand why so much is happening there. I mean I don't have an account with Wikipedia, and haven't made one since all I hear is bad stuff about it. However, I do use it. I just wish someone could make me understand what the hell is going on there with people?? - Skye B. from Bookmarklet

@Doug - thanks man. Stalking is not uncommon, and you should be careful, especially if you stand out for anything. Political views, things you do, etc. I know two very high profile people who talked to me about their real life stalkers - mine thankfully never translated into that. He just made contributing to Wikipedia a joyless task. That, and the schizophrenic response from the community. Hang in there yourself, Doug. Don't let fear make decisions for you; that's why I wrote the article. - David Shankbone

Generally, or specifically today? - Lise Broer

WHY is she being targeted with criticism, I don't understand this?? - Skye B.

Are all these people wrong about Wikipedia or is there a real problem? - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

Heh, that's an old story from last fall. Factually wrong, too. - Lise Broer

Durova, II was not talking about the story and what clandestine mailing list Wikipedia runs or does not run. I am talking about the negative perception of Wikipedia by StumbleUpon users. Are they all wrong? - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

Delete, Delete, Delete! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

Are they Wikipedians? - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

I am guessing you want to know if Wikipedia is censored? While Wikipedia is not censored, images outside the relative articles may be inappropriate, which has been determined by community consensus. But it is more case by case and how much attention is brought to an image by another editor or by a user of Wikipedia. - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

ho ho ho... of course it is - Noah David Simon

Wikipedia carries very graphic images. The main standard is that they should add encyclopedic value to whatever articles they illustrate. - Lise Broer

If you want the Wikipedia article about George W. Bush updated please include a verifiable second source resource link as per Wikipedia policy, for the material that you recommending that should be updated. - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

Do you think Britannica's business model can survive? - Lise Broer

As far as Wikipedia is concerned, no problem. From Britannica's side the challenge is how to survive in a competitive arena where tens of thousands of people contribute to the other guy for free. - Lise Broer