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flow chart to help you decide
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flow chart to help you decide
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A Periodic Table of Visualization Methods - http://www.visual-literacy.org/periodi...
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Watch that hybrid! Can sound help us spot objects? - http://scienceblogs.com/cogniti...
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Snacks and Shit - http://www.snacksandshit.com/
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Absurdly awesome.
- Will Boncher
30 day challenge for October: No Microsoft Software - http://www.mattcutts.com/blog...
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Also about 20 seconds from publishing to FriendFeed. This near-real-time stuff could be big. :)
- Matt Cutts
Are you running 32 or 64-bit Ubuntu? I have no problems running Flash 10, Adobe Air, and Chromium on my 64-bit Ubuntu (use it on my main home and work OS).
- imabonehead
from Android
Good luck!
- Nathan Snyder
I like this challenge and am pretty much there OS excluded.
- Jim Littlefield
At home I'm just running the stock 9.04 (I think it's 32 bit). Everything works great, including Chrome.
- Matt Cutts
Best. Idea. Ever.
- Kevin Mohr
But Matt, how ever will you host your Windows 7 Launch party? ( http://www.houseparty.com/windows... )
- Doug Beeferman
Be careful. There are lots of websites you can't visit (windows servers). No xbox. Don't look at the terminal screens in airports or most other places. Self-checkout at the grocery? Busted.
- Greg Grothaus
YouTube - Don't Copy That Floppy (Official Video - Digitally Remastered) - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Picasa 3.5, now with name tags and more - http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009...
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sweet! facial recognition and name tags are now available in the Picasa desktop client = )
- Jason Chen
I'm starting a trip to New York today. - http://www.dopplr.com/travell...
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I'll be there from September 15th until September 20th. See more in my Dopplr profile.
- Nikolas Coukouma
IE as customizable as Firefox and as fast as Chrome?!? http://www.microsoft.com/windows... What do you think--early April Fools joke? :)
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"Only Internet Explorer 8 has both tab isolation and crash recovery features; Firefox and Chrome have one or the other. " Chrome has both, right?
- Ionut
Safari is not included in this chart. I would like to see that as well.
- Louis Gray
"Internet Explorer 8 is more compatible with more sites on the Internet than any other browser." That's why Microsoft had to add the Compatibility View.
- Ionut
Of course IE8 wins this joke
- Jordi Rosell
"Internet Explorer 8 passes more of the World Wide Web Consortium's test cases than any other browser." Citation needed.
- Ionut
Is it true that if you use IE8 that it only works with bing?
- Thomas Hawk
I want to see the same tests conducted by an un-biased third party.
- Kiran Patchigolla
"IE8 also wins the crash test. It's the most crashing browser ever."
- Eren Emre Kanal
That's a joke. Even some plain standard JS DOM manipulation that works in FF, Safari + Chrome fails in IE.
- Sebastian
Yet another example of "just because someone wrote it down, doesn't make it true."
- James Myatt
I'm pretty sure they mean "IE just got around to passing a bunch of old deprecated tests. We win." Also, I've found the IE slices and accelerators aren't all that user friendly. How are newbies supposed to understand what that crap is for?
- mrshl
IE works just fine for me. I use chrome, firefox, and IE (chrome the most simply b/c I like google). Speed is a little overrated since the nanosecond difference is barely detectable. People just love to hate IE. To your average everyday internet user, there is nothing wrong with IE. Feel free to flame me. :-)
- Matt Soreco
Marshall: Using accelerators only requires enough intelligence to right-click and navigate the ensuing context menu. Slices, yeah, they aren't as user friendly, but they're still stupidly simple to use.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
If it worked on Linux, as do many widely used great softwares, I'd use it 'from time to time': I'm tired of having to reboot just to test how a website looks within IE. Which reminds me.. the 'standards' question. Aw.. sorry ;-))
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
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other browser's 5x times Javascript speed of IE8 can definitely be detected, it's not nanosecond difference, more like hundreds of milliseconds on complex Javascript applications. Sure, for standard HTML it's fine, but for something like a Zoho app or Gmail, you can tell the difference. For my application, the difference is between rendering 60+ frames per second, and a jerky irritating...
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- Ray Cromwell
What I’m getting at is it’s easy for Microsoft to pitch IE that way because the casual browser user (meaning most users) don’t notice a difference and/or don’t care enough to switch. If you want people to widely adopt chrome or firefox, devs and business need to get the guts to develop content that might not be compatible with IE. Look at the message atop MSN’s game center...
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- Matt Soreco
My point, Charabaruk, is that using these features as IE has set them up, is actually harder for users than Chrome, Firefox or Safari. It virtually requires users to customize their browser. Something Firefox, Chrome, and Safari don't do. Microsoft is pretending that requiring their users to "set up" accelerators and slices is easier than what the competition offers. That's not the case.
- mrshl
It may sound strange, but I moved from Chrome to IE8. Page rendering is superfast (better than Chrome), and the whole thing feels more solid than Chrome. Accelerators are nice too. Over long periods of time it's a memory hogger, though.
- Kirill Petrovsky
I use just about every browser out there on several OSs but I'd rather be using Chrome all the time. Safari on mac works well, but blows on windows. IE8 starts to fall apart when I have more than 20 tabs open, which is often. I've also had problems with IE8 not caching ssl certs for VPNs.
- John
IE8 is the only browser that gives you a bonus dialog during the acid 3 test; it deserves two checks for standards: http://skipall.com/37.jpg
- Kelly Norton
On what planet did they test those?
- Ozberk Olcer
IE8 developer tools - They are much better then previous IE versions, but I'd take firefox with firebug any day.
- Mike Child
Do you think these people notice the difference in browser speeds? http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Matt Soreco
Most people don't know how cars work, but can certainly tell upon driving two very different cars, which has better performance. The first time someone writes a JS intensive game, they'll notice.
- Ray Cromwell
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for Thomas Hawk and all the other hardcore shutterbugs out there :) ... Dark roasted Blend had a great collection of photog related pics you might like as well - http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2009...
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that one had a caption of "Evolution of the photographer" btw
- Steven Hodson
Who are the best "unofficial" company blogs by employees off the company domain? (Nominate your favorites)
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I am putting together a presentation that highlights some of the best bloggers who help their company, but are unofficial. The focus is mostly on enterprise, but I would be eager to see what you are reading.
- Louis Gray
Matt Cutts
- Kevin Fox
Matt Cutts
- Paul Buchheit
For example: Dave Graham of EMC: http://flickerdown.com/ and Christopher Kusek http://www.pkguild.com/ of NetApp.
- Louis Gray
Matt is excellent, Paul. Good suggestion.
- Louis Gray
Definitely Hoff, now of Cisco: http://www.rationalsurvivability.com/blog
- Stephen Foskett
Nice of Kevin to retroactively steal my answer :)
- Paul Buchheit
http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/ not completely unofficial though
- Mike Bracco
Been said, but Matt Cutts.
- Will Boncher
Heh. It was actually my original answer, but I saw Louis nab the first comment with a 'Placeholder' comment so I decided to mock him before I put Matt in. I didn't see yours till after.
- Kevin Fox
Jeremiah Owyang; Fred Wilson is my first pick, but perhaps AVC is too closely aligned with Union Square Ventures.
- Mark Evans
GM's CEO has gotten some heat for things he has said there
- Mike Bracco
Kevin, I don't mind your mockery. Paul, you should log in as admin and delete it for him or make Kevin have said something else and then lock the comment. :)
- Louis Gray
Stephen, who is the best in the storage and networking space, which I know is your forte?
- Louis Gray
Paul - LOL too funny! BTW, I was gonna say Matt Cutts too!! LOL
- Susan Beebe
2 great tech on the storage & network side: Brad Hedlund (Cisco, but unofficial) http://www.internetworkexpert.org/ and Chad Sakac (EMC, unofficial and lots of collaboration including w/ NetApp) http://virtualgeek.typepad.com/
- Stuart Miniman
Thanks, Stuart. Both are very good.
- Louis Gray
Louis: wouldn't Scoble fit in this off-company domain category (aside from Building43)?
- Pablo Melchor
Pablo, in theory, yes, but as Scoble has forged his own brand and was blogging here prior to Rackspace, I think it's not a perfect fit for this example.
- Louis Gray
David Armano helped Critical Mass a lot... until he left, which raises the question of what happens when that great unofficial blogger goes elsewhere
- Pablo Melchor
Paul Allen - http://paulallen.net - he is CEO and founder of FamilyLink, who does the We're Related app on Facebook. He is also founder of Ancestry.com (now Generations Networks)
- Jesse Stay
Wilson Craig - http://wilsonrcraig.blogspot.com/
- Charles Hood
ooh, i made the list? awesome.
- Dave Graham
Sergei Brin FTW http://www.too.blogspot.com Imagine if he was here, Friendfeed would have to change the stat message to "about 2 posts per *year*" :D
- Jérôme Flipo
http://dullest.com/blog of course!
- Sebastian
Pssst. ;-)
- Steve Rubel
2nding Chad Sakac of EMC & all the storage guys. There seems to be a long (in blog years) tradition in that area of technologists operating outside the corporate domain. Also Duncan Epping of VMware has been critical to the VMware tech community: http://yellow-bricks.com/
- John Troyer
James Hamilton. Just one of my favorite blogs http://perspectives.mvdirona.com
- Deepak Singh
Ned Bunnell http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/
- Isaac Hepworth
Hi Steve. We see you, but you are a PR guy and maybe that doesn't fit here. :)
- Louis Gray
I don't know what to say about those PR guys ;)
- Jesse Stay
Mini Microsoft
- Jesse Stay
fake steve jobs
- Gabe
A long time ago (in web years) it was the trio Matt Cutts for Google, Robert Scoble for Microsoft, and Jeremy Zawodny for Yahoo. Now, only Matt remains to work at the same place.
- Philipp Lenssen
Jeremiah Owyang on http://www.web-strategist.com/ Matt Cutts is very good too, but it's still a lot on Google and business.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
I feel a little bad for "liking" this thread, but I did like it. :)
- Matt Cutts
Jeremy Zawodney
- Aaron D'Souza
Joel Spolsky
- Emre Köse
I second the vote for Jeremiah (good call) ... but also gotta nominate Brad Feld -- amazing blogger
- Graeme Thickins
FriendFeed Blocked In Iran, The Service’s Most Active Region - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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"In fact, Iran is one of the service’s most active countries, and it is the most active region as defined by comments per user per day, according to Taylor. Now you can see why Iran apparently wanted to block it. FriendFeed is great at facilitating conversations around topics. The reason for this is that it’s so quick to post a comment and have it be added to a thread. While this can sometimes lead to an angry mob situation, it also can be extremely effective at having a conversation about an important topic in real-time. Except, of course, when the Iranian government blocks you. The only people getting on to FriendFeed from inside Iran now are apparently doing so through proxies."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Damn.
- Heather
By like I mean, dislike.
- EricaJoy
woah.
- zeroinfluencer
no surprise :|
- Frohiky
Strange that MG Siegler doesn't mention that one of the reasons FF is so popular in Iran may also be due to it being available natively in فارسی [Farsi].
- ianf ⌘
Also, since the headline is ambiguous, I should clarify that Iran is the most active in terms of "comments per user per day", not in total activity (the US still has the most activity in absolute terms).
- Paul Buchheit
I love the troll that's in the comments there who is baiting friendfeeders. Ahh, lame. If no one cares about friendfeed except for me and Louis, what are all you doing here? And how come these posts have so many likes: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
TC loyalists are on the defense... it's been a rough week and a half for them :-)
- Chris Heath
All of these services are showing their value at a time like this. I wish the social media showdown would stop long enough for people to see that.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Chris: on the other hand, maybe "Karen" is right. Maybe you're all in the mob and Louis and I are the mob bosses. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
To tell you the truth, I didn't even hop over to TC to read what all the hubub was about... I haven't had enough alcohol in me yet... :-) I try to stick to that old mantra: "don't feed the trolls"
- Chris Heath
Amazing how helpful a service can be when it can operate in the language the users use...
- Aron Michalski
@Robert: I'll admit that Friendfeed has it's mob-like tendencies, but no more so (and certainly not worse than) many other services. It's a danger of any hyper-connected online community. Hive minds form because people congregate around the concept that ideas are shared, as is Trust. When you trust intrinsically your sources for information, you're less likely to fact-check everything, and can be quickly mobilized into action. Sometimes this is a good thing, and sometimes it can go overboard really quick.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Some folks would rename "mobs" to the term "swarms". Interest runs high and often passionate in a number of different areas, and you're absolutely right about shared ideas and/or affinities.
- Karoli
Karoli, good point - I would add that 'mob' would be a more overtly pejorative term. Lots of people claim semantics when they're misunderstood but fail to understand themselves the meanings of the words that they're saying/typing.
- Chris Heath
Some might rename "mobs" to "swarms." I wouldn't. At least not always. There have been times, at least a handful that I've personally witnessed, where it rightly *should* be called a mob, though you're right to say that it isn't *always* the case.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Mark, agreed. My point really was that intent is the defining point. I consider a mob a group intent on destruction. A swarm is more of a group intent around discovery. One is certainly more benevolent than the other. Sometimes, like with the Iranian elections, the swarm is also a mob, but in that case, destruction may not be a bad thing, if the goal is to enforce the true will of the people. I'm not sure it is, by the way. I do believe the results were bogus, however.
- Karoli
@Karoli. I'm with you re: results and whether they're the will of the people or the mob (or swarm) mentality in that both candidates have(had) serious issues with the concept of freedom and democratic governance. Since NO ONE becomes a viable candidate in Iran w/o the authorization of the mullahs, I would hazard a guess that the protesters on both sides are merely choosing between the...
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- Molly
Flickr User Posts Comments Critical of Obama on the Official White House Photostream and Has His Comments Along With His Entire Flickrstream Deleted Without Warning - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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I was dismayed today to read about the latest alleged case of Flickr Censorship. Censorship (or as they like to call it “moderation”) continues to be a problem on Flickr. The most recent case is that of Flickr User Shepherd Johnson. According to Johnson on the evening of Wednesday June 3rd, he posted comments critical of President Obama on “8 or so” photos on the White House’s official Flickrstream. He said that he posted these comments because he was upset with the language that Obama chose to use in his recent Cairo speech regarding terrorism. Johnson said that two days later his comments had been scrubbed and deleted from the Flickr photos. Johnson shared with me the type of comment that he made and what he shared with me seemed appropriate and polite. On Friday, June 5th, once again Johnson posted more comments on photos in the official White House Flickrstream. This time comments that were critical of the President’s recent decision to try and withhold photographs of detainee...
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- Thomas Hawk
wtf?
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Wait, wha....?
- Stephen Mack
I won't comment on the acceptability of Flickr's exercising of their right to entirely delete users accounts for any reason they deem sufficient, but I will note that they claim that right pretty clearly in their ToS, even for paid accounts (the pro-rated paid value of the account is forfeited to Flicker as well, by the way). I would recommend anyone who uses Flickr to protect their...
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- Kevin Fox
As owner of my photos, I have the right to delete any untoward or off-topic comments which I do often on my Flickr photos. Always with an explanation of why I deleted the comment. I'm sure the WH or whoever did the same thing. Now with users who come back and repost a similar comment, I block them. My point: I don't care if his comments were deleted. That's a non-issue. But to have Flickr delete his account is overkill. I've complained about a lot of Flickr users and they still have their accounts.
- Admiral Anika
I think this falls under the category of "Don't like their community? Start your own damn photo sharing site."
- Brian Johns
Or defect to Smugmug???
- Roberto Bonini
If you don't feel that Flickr should delete accounts without warning or censor political speech dig this here: http://digg.com/politic...
- Thomas Hawk
Doesn't Flickr ever listen to this negative press that they get over and over when these things happen? Any "normal" company would be out of business if they treated their customers like this.
- Nils Sandin
Apparently, no. They don't.
- Roberto Bonini
I totally don't agree with that, not cool at all on Flickr's part. The White House is subject to criticism wherever they put their name and it should not be censored. Probably not the best forum for the criticism but that doesn't mean they should delete his account.
- Jim Graham
Please don't be in a hurry to indict Flickr, where there any other reasons that led to the their decision?
- Shakeel Mahate
Maybe multiple users got mad about his comments and blocked/flagged his account, which automatically deactivated it?
- Roshan Vyas
I certainly gave flickr an opportunity to respond. I emailed both Yahoo PR and Flickr Community Manager Heather Champ on it. The response in my blog post is what their PR firm sent back to me. They had every opportunity to try and explain their position. These comments as well as comments on my blog post are open as well and they are also perfectly welcome to respond there as well. I sent an email back to their PR agency saying that I'd be happy to publish any additional comment from Flickr on this matter.
- Thomas Hawk
Kevin's point is a good one. Certainly Flickr is well within their right to delete an account for anything that they'd like. And I think it is too bad that Shepard lost photos here that he did not have backed up. It's a good reminder not to rely on anyone but yourself to back up your photos. It's still not right though and as the most significant and relevant social photo sharing site in the world I think that they owe their users better than this.
- Thomas Hawk
I really wish people would get over this whole annoyingly libertarian approach to free speech. Flickr is a web service, not a public square. Just as I would kick someone out of my home for saying something I found offensive, Flickr absolutely has the right to revoke the accounts of people who they feel are in violation of their TOS. Thomas, I know this is a particular crusade of yours, but I can't help wishing you'd find another axe to grind. Or, you know, use it to drive people to Zoomr.
- cecily
Cecily, I feel strongly that free speech should be allowed on Flickr. I also feel strongly that Flickr needs to revisit their policies and procedures and not make account deletions *permanent*. I think we are owed an opportunity to appeal a censorship decision and even Flickr has admitted in the past that they've made mistakes and apologized of other cases of censorship. I'm not going...
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- Thomas Hawk
Flickr has a system in place to mark accounts and users as 18+ adult. Even if they find things that they feel are offensive I think that they can simply mark the account as such and then all default accounts can no longer see that content. It is not right for them to censor users this way. I'd object to the same thing anywhere. Hell, I was bitching at MSFT this weekend for censoring the...
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- Thomas Hawk
I didn't see what the actual comments were. What language was used? And who posts photos without backups. If I make backups of anything it's my photos.
- Barry Sanschagrin
Shepherd Johnson just posted in another forum that he spoke with Heather Champ about the matter and says that she told him that his account was deleted for posting a prison detainee photo as well what Flickr perceived as his "spamming" Flickr. Johnson left a voicemail on the matter on Carol Bartz's cell phone.
- Thomas Hawk
From Johnson: "She said that was part of the reason and the other part was that she claimed that I was spamming the forum, to which I asked her if she also gave warnings to the people who posted on twenty photographs the same "That's my President Go bama!" type drivel over and over and over again. I also had her define the word "spam", to which she could not. She seemed very careful to...
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- Thomas Hawk
more in this thread here: http://www.flickr.com/groups...
- Thomas Hawk
ahhh By LORETTA CHAO BEIJING -- Some Chinese Internet users criticized a government plan to require personal computer makers to ship Internet-filtering software with all new pcs, after state-run media publicized details of the initiative.
- Chad Spacey
Johnson is also saying that Heather said she didn't know anything about the deleted comments which may mean that it was actually the white house that deleted those, not Flickr.
- Thomas Hawk
As if Flickr is the most appropriate place to illustrate your beef with Obama.
- © b e e n s w a n k
What Anika said; deleting the comments is not big deal. Deleting the photo stream is infuriating.
- RAPatton
How friggin' difficult would it be for Flickr to make banned accounts private for 7 days so banned users at least have the opportunity to retrieve their files first? Hell, if Flickr wants to ban accounts, maybe they should offer a DVD of the banned user's pics (for $5 for free accounts, free for pro accounts). That'd go a long way in making them seem a little less horrible toward their users.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
As I've always maintained, it's the web site owner's right to do what they want with the bits they store, but one has to wonder whether the millions of Flickr photo comments made in the name of Bush-bashing would ever illicit such a response? Flickr obviously has the right to choose sides, but they should be upfront with their reasoning in this case. In other words something like "we...
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- Craig Eddy
did Yahoo not jail those Chinese photographers?
- Prolific Programmer
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Re Chad Spacey: http://shanghaiist.com/2009... Flickr is not the worse thing
- Ivy Jiang
Craig, I think that that is an interesting point to consider. If you do a search for Obama on the flickr blog you come up with 30 different posts (many of them quite flattering including extensive coverage of his innaguration). By contrast a search for Bush only pulls up 2 posts. I'm not saying that Flickr staff shouldn't be able to promote Obama over Bush on the official Flickr blog,...
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- Thomas Hawk
Wait, so they CLEAR all photos after your account is deleted?!?
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
obviously Flickr feels bad about this at least a little bit, otherwise they wouldn't be offering him a monetary credit back. Still, that doesn't make up for the fact that they permanently deleted his photos along with likely thousands of comments and commentary on his photos. @Prolific Programmer. Yes, they do clear all your photos when they delete your account, permanently and irreversibly. Also all your comments, group postings, other's comments on your photos, etc.
- Thomas Hawk
so I wasn't being daft by uploading identical photos to smugmug, zooomr and flickr?
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
I survived political censorship and all I got was this $25 gift card.
- Dave
I wonder if there was something else that could have caused Mr. Johnson to be banned, but isn't being mentioned. Maybe he has previous infractions that pushed his account just far enough over the line? Personally, I want to hear both sides before I make any judgements.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
NO DAMNIT FLICKR IS EVIL!
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
<j/k>
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
I think what is starting to trouble me more is that according to Johnson, Flickr was not aware that his comments critical of Obama had been deleted before they deleted his account. This leads me to believe that there is a good possibility that the comments were actually deleted by the White House itself. If the White House is going to engage social media, they need to do it honestly and...
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- Thomas Hawk
TeraDyne, Johnson is now saying that Flickr Community Manager Heather Champ called him on the phone and talked to him for about two hours after he left a voicemail on Carol Bartz's cell phone. He is saying that she told him that the reason why his account was deleted was because he posted a prisoner detainee abuse photo and for "spamming" flickr, without defining what "spamming" flickr...
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- Thomas Hawk
Yes Thomas, the WH involvement would be most disturbing.
- Craig Eddy
Thomas: Here is my speculation WRT the White House engaging in social media. You've probably got some hyper-liberal new grad or still in school intern running these accounts. Those types don't like people speaking against anything that has to do with what they believe to be right and haven't learned that its better to just accept or engage those with opposing thoughts, rather than just trying to force them to go away. Thus, the comments get deleted unless they are "on message."
- EricaJoy
Thomas, the problem is that Johnson is the one telling both sides, therefore, we aren't really getting both sides. While he might be trustworthy, it's never a good thing to hear both sides from one party. I agree, though, that Flickr should come out with their side, but I'll leave my judgement and opinion up in the air until both parties have given their viewpoints.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
Erica, that would be really sad if it were indeed the case. I'm personally interested in authentic real conversations with regards to social media and always had assumed that the various social media sites maintained by Obama's team were in fact uncensored. I don't know how to get comment on this officially from the white house, but I'm going to try and call them and see if I can at least get a no comment as to whether or not they censor their comments on their flickrstream.
- Thomas Hawk
Censorship is: "You may not speak." Moderation is: "Get your own soapbox." People who think the world owes them a soapbox often confuse the two.
- Pat Rice
TeraDyne. I totally agree and think it would be good for Flickr to be more forthcoming in this case. Unfortunately for us at this point, it's up to them whether or not they are going to explain any more on this than they already have.
- Thomas Hawk
In previous generations/administrations Shepherd Johnson would likely have been deleted, not just his account. Seriously though, Flickr needs to implement a ban rather than delete.
- Andrew Smith
@Pat: totally agree, but the moderator (whether Flickr or the WH) needs to be TRANSPARENT about *WHY* there doesn't seem to be any "negative" comments. The reason isn't that no one disagrees, the reason is that we scrubbed them.
- Craig Eddy
@AndrewSmith: that's a totally ridiculous assertion, unless you believe in Arkanacide
- Craig Eddy
Pat, I'm not saying that Flickr is not allowed to censor. It is their soapbox after all. But flickr is a large public square, even while owned by Yahoo. People invest thousands of hours there and it is a *huge* space for public discourse, similar to our own FF here. Certainly neither FF or Flickr "owe" us a soapbox. But I think that it's respectful given the time and energy that we...
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- Thomas Hawk
I disagree with what flickr has done to Johnson. But if the WH rules the States and flickr rules flickr, we'd better backup our photos in a safe place - "in the end all these sites really are are their communities". This is a fact.
- Ivy Jiang
Deletion shouldn't be irreversible if Heather's promises 17 months ago, when another account-scrubbing caused some outcry, have any value. See: http://www.flickr.com/help... and http://www.flickr.com/help...
- Edward Coffey
Another update from Johnson: "Update #2: More from Johnson: "Heather only mentioned that she deleted the comments concerning the Abu Ghraib photo, when I asked her about the original comment on the Obama Cairo Speech she had no idea what I was talking about. I crafted my dialogue with her to find out exactly what she knew and when she knew it. That means that somebody connected with the Whitehouse, one of Peter Souza's staff or an intern, deleted my comments originally."
- Thomas Hawk
Well, if the comments were removed by the owner of the stream, it sucks but I think all flickr account owners are entitled to removed comments on their photos. It's a bit silly, since the Obama administration pledged openness, so it does against that. I still can't understand why his account was deleted, though. That seems very extreme for what this man did. Shame on you flickr.
- Jason Hill
Truly some great photos and history being recorded by them on the White House Stream. As for as the comments go, everyone has the right to say anything they want...on they're own stream.
- John D Reasor
Alleged. Sounds like spin.
- John Blossom
interesting. I'm glad I didn't do that trick yet.
- Noah David Simon
There are a couple of questions that come too mind, were his comments the only ones that were deleted from the comment stream. Why can't flickr simply make the offending person flickr account private, then notify them that they are up for account will be deleted and give them 10 days to retrieve their pictures. It can't be that hard, to do some like that.
- Kim Landwehr
It is not public discourse. If you have to sign up for an account - it's not public. If you have to click a little box that says "I agree to play by your rules" - but then decide you want to flout those rules, then be prepared to have the virtual door hit ya where the good Lord split ya'.
- cecily
I have always believed that Flickr needs a 'safe harbour' where an account can be parked while the issue is worked through.
- Mel Buckpitt
Just sent the following flickrmail to the official Whitehouse Flickr photostream account. Hopefully they respond: Hi, My name is Thomas Hawk. I am a blogger and Flickr photographer. I'm writing to officially inquire as to whether or not The Official White House photostream censors or removes comments from the images in this stream. Recently a flickr user, Shepherd Johnson, had his...
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- Thomas Hawk
We used to be able to make fun of Bush all we wanted and not have our accounts deleted. Well, this is "change".
- Morton Fox
It's horrible that this would happen without ample warning and yet, I pay flickr $25/ year...
- Jeremy Kunz
OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF? is wrong with Flickr? Don't they have any sense?? wow
- Susan Beebe
I've said it before. it is legal. I would be a hypocrite to say otherwise. my arguments with twitter isn't an argument for free speech, but merely that they take the interests of it's users seriously. I may not like Obama as a leader, but that is irrelevant. private property is private property and this is why we have to make sure no private company can monopolize API standards or...
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- Noah David Simon
I know that I am showing the wackiness that is I but I really don't care. It isn't censorship by the definition of the word. TOS. The guy was attempting to make a point by threadjacking. Folks on the interwebs used to call that sort of thing out. I might not agree with flickr deleting his stuff but once again the onus was on him to back up his own content. It is not as if there are not plenty of other places that he can post hist material. My 2 cents.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
thanks for pointing this out Thomas
- Noah David Simon
This has nothing to deal with the first amendment. It's their site. It's a customer service issue. Just start a boycott. Post a message: "I am moving to <your favorite gallery site> because Flickr deleted Johnson's account". Once you reach a million people threatening a boycott, they will do something or maybe they don't need users anymore.
- Antonio Piccolboni
Antonio, I couldn't imagine living without Flickr. It's such an amazing and unique place. I'd rather try to stay and change it than boycott it. I think they made a bad censorship call here and would like to see them publicly apologize for it to Shepherd. More significantly though I think that they owe us as users not to make account deletions immediately permanent and to provide warning...
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- Mrsth
While I agree that Flickr should never delete a photostream (banning or locking would be better), it is still the photographer's, or Flickr's, prerogative to delete comments, as it plainly states in the ToS. Does it go against the transparency Obama is championing? Yes, it does, and that is unfortunate. But, seeing how Shepherd is now trolling the White House Photostream, throwing temper tantrums like a 5 year old, he is overstepping boundaries.
- Rene Wirtz
sorry that last comment was from me, I was accidentally logged into mrsth's account.
- Thomas Hawk
Certainly Flickr made a bad call by completely deleting his account, but its their right. But why make critical comments about Obama's speech or policies or whatever on his FLICKR site? Unless his comments were about what he didnt like about the photos, it seems like the wrong forum to me.
- Manny
Manny, I can think of few other forums more relevant for talking about releasing the prison detainee abuse photos than on an actual official Govt. photostream. To me it seems like one of the most appropriate places of all. The fact of the matter is that Obama did in fact flip flop on this issue and this was a way that an American could offer his criticism of that fact in a public forum....
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- Thomas Hawk
And I certainly recognize that Flickr is owned by a private company Yahoo and Yahoo is well within their legal rights to delete this account. As I am within my legal rights to criticize their decision as loudly as I'd like. I just think that as a private company that they owe us more than that. Flickr is a jewel, an incredibly important piece of the cultural landscape. I'd like to see them handle their stewardship of it more responsibly.
- Thomas Hawk
Sure, Flickr is privately-owned, but so are airlines. Flickr should not be allowed to get rid of your account any more than an airline is allowed to get rid of your luggage. If some stewardess decides you're being a jerk and kicks you off the plane, the airline isn't allowed to throw away your bags!
- Gabe
Amazing to see all the Obama apologists endorse positions they condemned in Bush. I remember people jumping all over me when I noted back during the primary that Obama's super-cool social media campaign apparatus would very soon be a *government* apparatus with formidable censorship power. Looks like that day has arrived.
- joneilortiz
wish i could read the actual article, but firefox 3 on the mac crashes every time i try to load the page.
- dannysullivan
The details that I've seen on the reproduced image of this post seem to indicate that it was not just comments but reproduction of the controversial photos. Is it censorship? Yes. Is it what the White House wants? Yes. You take it from there.
- John Blossom
danny, I'm not sure why that is. I'm able to open the page in firefox 3 on a mac no problem.
- Thomas Hawk
John, yes it is my understanding that this user posted an image that is widely available via Google Image Search and other channels of detainee prisoner abuse along with comments objecting to the recent passage of legislation blocking release of additional prison abuse photos. It's my understanding that the image posted was not from his photostream but actually from another user's...
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- Thomas Hawk
Yet everyone still continues to use Flickr for some reason.
- Dave Roth
Dave, because it's an amazing community, perhaps the single greatest community, of photographers on the internet today. There is so much that is so good about Flickr and there really is nothing else quite like it anywhere else on the web. That said, Yahoo Management has largely allowed flickr to abuse their users and repeatedly engage in censorship and refuses to allow safeguards to be...
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- Thomas Hawk
You guys all know that the Federal Reserve is as federal as FedEx, right?
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I, for one, am shocked; SHOCKED I say...
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Yup! Woodrow Wilson & Colonel House!
- Russell Wagner
The Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank which has no relation with the Unites States government. It's as federal as replacing my first name with "federal" to make it Federal Forian. I'm still not owned by the government. And no, neither is FedEx ;)
- Michael Forian
Here is a good book to read to explain all of this too you. It's a bit sensationalist and tinfoil-hatty in parts, but overall a good read. http://bacn.me/271
- Christian (Simply X)
@Chris White: the current crop of Dems in the Congress, and probably the current president, would like to do just that.
- Craig Eddy
I remember in macro economics class in college that the explanation of why the Fed wasn't part of the government didn't make a lot of sense. Little did I know at the time is that's because it doesn't!
- Todd Hoff
Not many people know it and the history is more fascinating than any fiction novel I have ever read.
- Martha
@Chris: the Fed's directors are presidentially-appointed
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Chris, well, when you put it that way, sure. .LOLz. It's not a completely independent organization, unfettered by gov't interference, in that sense. But I think Forian's point that start of this thread is that the Fed isn't a government entity, which raises the question: who's interests does the Fed put first: its owners (banks) or the citizens of US?
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Chris, agree on the FedEx comparision...rip @Forian on that! ;-) But don't you think the fact that the Federal Reserve is called 'federal' is also misleading wordplay to average citizens, who may think, "Hey, we put those guys in control of our tax dollars! they have to do good by us!" Well, not really.
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Who precisely owns and controls the Federal Reserve in the year 2009?
- Sean McBride
yes So please Support H.R. 1207 to Audit the Federal Reserve Bill more Info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Kyle Weller
Who owns it? Monsieur Ben Bernanke and his rich banker friends.
- Michael Forian
Michael -- we need more detail: names and numbers.
- Sean McBride
The Fed is privately owned. Its shareholders are private banks. In fact, 100% of its shareholders are private banks. None of its stock is owned by the government. Many of the shareholders are friends with Mr. Bernanke.
- Michael Forian
Which heads of which banks own the Fed? Who are they?
- Sean McBride
This should be able to answer your question: http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files...
- Michael Forian
Could Chris White comment on the accuracy of that chart? Also, it's quite old. What does the chart look like for 2009?
- Sean McBride
I don't believe there is a chart for 2009. However, the chart above is still quite informative.
- Michael Forian
Chris, it is relevant. The chart is on many websites and has been deemed accurate by many economists.
- Michael Forian
Oh! I love Ron Paul! More of an Alex Jones fan though :)
- Michael Forian
Well, I do :)
- Michael Forian
"It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." -Henry Ford http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- A.T.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... US president appoints Board of Governors ...
- A.T.
Chris, everything except the bunker in Montana. Why would I want one in the US? I live in Canada!
- Michael Forian
Oh, and when I say Canada, I mean the little place north of the 49th where our government actually controls our currency.
- Michael Forian
Since the Federal Reserve exerts so much influence over the economic life of Americans, it seems to me that its operations should be subject to the highest standards of transparency and accountability. Discovering who owns and controls the Fed is like pulling teeth. Chris: are you saying that we should just move on and not trouble ourselves with looking into these questions?
- Sean McBride
"Some people think that the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders." – The Honorable Louis McFadden, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee in the 1930s
- Sean McBride
Sean, you're smart for asking questions. To bad we never get the answers. Most people just move on and don't give a shit about this. This is one of the greatest threats to the American people.
- Michael Forian
Something makes me curious about the Fed: whenever one starts asking questions about the Fed that go beyond the official PR, one encounters a great deal of evasiveness, squishiness and squirminess. The Fed really doesn't want to talk about the Fed in any meaningful way.
- Sean McBride
If they had choice, they would make it so they didn't have to talk about it at all. Answer to no one.
- Michael Forian
Hahaha! You want to know something funny? Cramer as of late has actually agreed with Ben Bernanke on a lot of things. That's one of the reasons that he was targeted by Stewart and his producers.
- Michael Forian
What THE What?? Cow Urine to become Soft Drink like Pee-psi? - http://www.murderousintention.com/2009...
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Seth Meyers pretty much summed up the entire Phelps / Bong / Kellogs issue - http://www.reddit.com/r...
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Haha, funny. =) In case it's no longer available on youtube, here's the link for hulu: http://www.hulu.com/watch...
- Jason Chen
TED Talk - http://xkcd.com/541/
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haha, I would also like an answer to this.
- Jason Chen
i always (like, once :) ) match parentheses
- Lele
YouTube - Free Doritos - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Both YouTube and Hulu agree, "Free Doritos" was the best Super Bowl ad, based on voting and total number of views. Not to mention it also won according to USA Today Ad Meter. Pretty impressive, especially considering it was made by amateurs for a contest held by Doritos. YouTube voting: http://www.youtube.com/user... Hulu voting: http://www.hulu.com/superbo...
- Jason Chen
Google and Big Ideas - http://www.mattcutts.com/blog...
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I was thinking something similar when I first read that comment. Well said Matt!
- Tony Ruscoe
Well said indeed. Speaking of ideas, is there somewhere we can send suggestions? (This one's Gmail related.)
- Will Boncher
That's a great list Matt. If anything, I think my complaint is that Google needs to fix a lot of existing products, like docs (too slow and buggy) and Picasa web (slow, and always makes me login, even to view public albums and even though I'm already logged in to gmail).
- Paul Buchheit
Deleting my suggestion to comment here; Paul Wilcox's answer is much better.
- Matt Cutts
Will, the Gmail team has a suggestions page at http://mail.google.com/support...
- Paul Wilcox
"is there somewhere we can send suggestions?" On this page: http://mail.google.com/support... (scroll down to enter a custom suggestion)
- Philipp Lenssen
To do lists can be a pretty big idea: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Clare Dibble
Thanks!
- Will Boncher
Will, now I'm curious what your Gmail suggestions are. Want to leave them here too?
- Matt Cutts
One thing that always bothered me about the labelling system was that in order to label a message I'm composing, I have to click on view sent message afterwards, then label it. It would be nice to be able to label it as I compose it. I was hoping this would be included in their latest labelling update, but since it wasn't, figured I'd throw my idea out there.
- Will Boncher
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