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Veronica's uh... gained some weight. - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Andy Lewandowski, Oliver Kiessler, Anthony and 15 other people liked this
Hahah: http://flickr.com/photos...
- Vincent X
DAMN! How much cake did you EAT? :-)
- Jeff Garlick
Oh, come on, V. I know working with me was a thrilling experience for you, but there's really no need to start copping my style.
- Lon Harris
from twhirl
This is what happens when you game all day! (V, you might want to cut back on the birthday cakes.. hehe)
- Daynah
that's so hot.
- Jeff McCord
from twhirl
But she's got such a great personality! Really.
- Alex von Halem
from twhirl
lol, this was so funny when they were doing this yesterday!
- Louie
I thought Pinkberry was fat free :)
- Grant
Oh, hey! That's where all the views are coming from!
- Randy
This is Veronica before she goes into full-berserker She-Hulk mode.
- Jericho
And I thought Patrick's receding hairline had been cured.
- Randy Meeker
from twhirl
Comedy Central: why, oh why, can't you add proper program metadata to The Daily Show? The incessant unidentified reruns on TiVo wear thin!
Mark Bragg, Cyndy, Will Hirsbrunner and 6 other people liked this
that has frustrated the hell out of me too!
- Andy Lewandowski
I'm glad I'm not the only one frustrated by this.
- AJ Kohn
I hate this! I just set TiVo to record the time slot (and deal with repeats/random stuff on Fridays) rather than have to deal with several episodes a day filling up my list.
- Shannon Jiménez
Jedi Gym: Use the Force! (Video) - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Peter Stuifzand, darodave, Christopher Slagle and 16 other people liked this
Now that is funny!
- Shawna Bergen
Make sure you watch to the end. Lesson learned: Don't mess with Darth Vader! (BTW, he hates it when you call him Annie.)
- ThisGuyDoug
Jeff Wright, Brandon Wood, RAPatton and 7 other people liked this
Online baseball game teams players from past, present | Tech news blog - CNET News.com - http://news.cnet.com/8301-10...
Atul Arora, Will Hirsbrunner, Joseph Chen and Louis Gray liked this
"A new online baseball game may finally help put to rest an age-old debate: how would Babe Ruth do at the plate facing Nolan Ryan's fast ball? That is the kind of scenario that may be possible soon with Baseball Boss, a free browser-based game released Thursday that combines fantasy sports with virtual baseball card collecting. The game allows fantasy managers to build teams with Major League Baseball players from 1907 and 2007 (more years will be added later) that can play other user-created teams or even historical teams such as the 1907 Brooklyn Superbas. Instead of focusing on stat categories such as stolen bases and home runs, this game cobbles together the entire team's likely performance to give you a final game score."
- Morgan
from Bookmarklet
You know you're addicted to FF when you hit refresh and nothing changes.
Michael C. Harris, Svetlana Gladkova, Tony and 45 other people liked this
F5 club members welcome.
- Hao Chen
That just means you're not following enough people. :-)
- Louis Gray
Subscribe to Paul Dawson, he dumps RSS feeds at once around this time
- Mona Nomura
What's a good number you've had success with? I'm at about 300.
- Hao Chen
Louis is right. I refresh hundreds of times per day. I can't remember the last time when nothing changed on the page.
- Robert Scoble
My FF: Always good refresh:). See@Louis
- Igor Poltavskiy
I wish there was NNTP version...
- A.T.
Okay, I'll find more. In the meantime, I have fftogo open in second window because FFi doesn't have an Everyone tab.
- Hao Chen
silpol ack. but i would like that for rss and such as well. hm at least for rss there are nntp gateways ;)
- Nicole Simon
Does not FF refresh by itself...so there is no need to manually refresh it...right??
- Arjun
Arjun: not via mobile (fftogo and ff iphone)
- Mona Nomura
true but the default is something like 2 mins. That's a long time in Internet time!
- Hao Chen
Especially on the everyone page, where every few seconds the whole page has new entries.
- Peter Stuifzand
When you'll stay up all night, just because you were getting a good debate going, and all the other debaters are 6 or more hours out of sync with your british ass.
- Slappy Line
That's the most terrible feeling in the world... Noooooooez!
- Susan Beebe
Google Reader is the big one for me as I find that on every page I view now I find myself going for the J button!
- Joe Dawson
I just did that....oops
- George Smith
Don't be fooled. If you are following more than 50 people, all the action is on the second page. The first page will be crowded with stories that are on an upward vector.
- Phil G
I've never refreshed and nothing happened.
- Aaron Myers
*joins club*
- xero
Hahaha it's so true. And then you do the same thing 5 minutes later.
- ::Kristen::
you know you are addicted to friendfeed when you catch yourself making a game of trying to subscribe to a second person before the page refreshes form the first subscribe (i have only pulled it off once)
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
try ctrl-f5 ;)
- Nicole Simon
Or when you're sitting reading this post thinking, "I should be doing work"
- xero
Heh! I have the opposite. If I'm away from FF all day, I feel like I've missed everything!
- Rob Williams
You know you are addicted to friendfeed when you create a room for the addiction (http://friendfeed.com/rooms...)
- Justin Korn
Justin: Joined! hehehe! Ok where's the 12 step program ??
- Susan Beebe
This is true, but I'm constantly looking for more content to add so this never happens.
- The Kid
You can always try FriendFeed Spy (http://www.friendfeedspy.com), it is constantly refreshing and you will always have something to look at (though currently you can't filter it for friends only).
- Svetlana Gladkova
Anna Haro, Carlos Ayala, chartreuse and 4 other people liked this
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If you follow more than are followed on Twitter, you're a spammer. On FriendFeed, you're a power user!
Will Hirsbrunner, James Mowery, Larry Huffman and 9 other people liked this
Interesting comment. In fact here I follow more people than follow me, on Twitter the opposite-looking for FriendFeed Power Ranger ring...
- Mark Forman
Anymore when somebody follows me on Twitter, they're a spammer until proven innocent. On FriendFeed, one of the things I enjoy most is looking through feeds of people who subscribe to me, and finding new people to subscribe to.
- Pat Hawks
This has given me a great idea for a blog post & a chance for a spot of investigation. I'll accredit & link back when it gets done :)
- CannonGod
@Jake I'm excited to read it. Good thing I'm subscribed to you :-D
- Pat Hawks
so true - I use it much less but still like twitter for better mobility but love friend feed for all the reasons listed
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Great point, but, how do you manage it all. I just can't keep up with it.
- James Mowery
My goal is follow more than I'm followed.
- Hutch Carpenter
At first, I felt guilty about hiding certain entries. Then I realized that it was a great way to drill down to the stuff that I'd really hate to miss.
- Pat Hawks
James: You're not supposed to keep up with it all. Use the "Hide" feature a lot, if you need to. Beyond that, skim comments.
- Brent Newhall
The number one way I find people to add on FF? Nope, not FFs recommendations, finding little white bubbles next to people making interseting comments in conversations. These are the people that I want more of. Folks that participate intelligently are far more valuable than A listers who don't.
Peter Reavy, Joe, Mitchell Tsai and 141 other people liked this
Agreed, when I find a thread I really like, I tend to add a bunch of commentors from it.
- Phil G
I'm only just now starting to use FF, even though I signed up months ago...and I agree, this tool is far more useful than even twitter.
- Jeremy Botter
I agree 100% Tom. That is how I have been finding a lot of people. I am relatively new to FF so that and friend of a friend posts are the only ways I am finding people.
- Matt Donders
Personally - that's why FriendFeed is differentiating itself from a lot of other sites. It caters to those active people that want to discuss, learn, inform - which makes it a resource that I come back to over and over again...
- George Smith
I'm in absolute agreement but have to admit that I've added some of the A listers just to see who's talking to them intelligently. Granted, the ROI's a little low, but sometimes watching the fawning is reward in and of itself. <insert sarcasticon here>
- Linda Mills
You get what you give
- Dave Martin
Good point, this is one of the reasons why I'm spending more time on FF now - great way to discover and interact with new people that have relevant information/comments to share
- Gabriel Biguria
So very true. My page of "recommended" friends is nothing but a bunch of A-listers that would fill my FF pages with mostly junk, and not a lot of substance.
- Brandon Wood
ditto ditto and ditto - just added Gabriel and Jeremy in fact
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
When I am looking for people that share my interests, I search for a headline I really liked on the everyone tab and check out others who shared it and see what they are all about. It is kind of time consuming but fun.
- Geoff Schultz
we use the same technique
- Fred Grott
I'd also add that you don't have to add a whole lot of people to get quality content thrown into your FF stream. I'm slowly adding people and the value of FF went up 10 fold.
- Otto R. Radke
The goal of adding friends here is to have intersting stuff in your Friendfeed. And you do that by carefully watching the dicussion not just in terms of comments and likes ( as mentioned above multiple times), but what items are posted by people. Thats whats I look for.
- Roberto Bonini
I've been getting annoyed at the amount of junk, repetition, and endless Twitter vs. FriendFeed talk from the so-called "A-listers". It's high time to start unsubscribing and find some new "friends".
- Matt
the ancient toad style of social networking
- Anthony
Actually if you do that you soon realize that there's more content by interesting people here than time you have to read that. Then, the question stops being how to find interesting people (that you'll keep finding and following) but how to reduce the noise...
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
So Marcos the task at hand is to become Jedi of the Hide button and learn how to fine tune everything.
- Mark Forman
Hide is awsome, but I'm feeling it is not enough. I hope noiseriver ends up being the solution, but... it still hasn't the hide feature implemented :-)
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
Hah! I just added everyone in this post who I wasn't already subscribed to.
- Thomas Hawk
Ha! Prepare to be inundated with my brand of minutia!
- Geoff Schultz
If the same friend of X comes up often, and I find them interesting, I will subscribe to them.
- Hao Chen
No white bubbles here for me.
- Robert Scoble
Thomas: I do the same thing too
- Sally Church
I get zero comments on FF to my posts. I'm not A-list of course. I'm more like a lesser known Baldwin brother.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
LOL @ Scoble's comment!! ha, ha!
- Susan Beebe
@Jason Participation is a two way street.
- Hao Chen
amen brutha!
- Scott Jarkoff
I, too, am just getting more involved in this social networking thing ...
- Robert Couture
This taps into what for me is the stand-out experience FF. 'Common Interest' is _one_ facet, but there's more going on in deciding to Subscribe or not. It's like a first impression in person - the brain takes a bunch of behavioral cues builds a profile in seconds upon which decisions (sometimes lasting) are made. To balance the split decision weakness of not enough information, just cruise through the person's feed for 'background check'. All common sense I suppose.
- Micah Wittman
Yeah but I frikin HATE the moment I add 1 person from a thread i like, I get bumped out of the thread & have to go back & search for it again to see if I want to add anyone else.
- Mrsth
@mrsth, I agree 110% w/ that. It's easier to open a new tab then scroll down and locate the topic again...
- Czar
Nah...I add completely based on superficiality and looks. :-P
- Live4Emma (L4S)
@Czar- ah I didn't realize you could do that. I'll give it a whirl. Thx!!!
- Mrsth
@Carlos Perez- Ahh. that explains alot. You can only see my legs:-)
- Mrsth
i guess just a 'me too' here would be totally wrong.
- MLx
I think the only way to find those interesting people you don't know is to subscribe to the popular people. I've been finding some interesting folks that way. Otherwise, no one posts comments to your own stuff. Oh, to be unpopular. Sigh.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
That's exactly correct. I don't auto-follow. I add people who comment and like and share things I'm interested in.
- Louis Gray
wow, that's a super-excellent observation. i'm taking the hint with a few 'white-bubble' folks here too. altho i wonder if the FF folks shouldn't cue that behavior up with mouse-over info on the bubble icons... i had no clue why the color was showing up at first. (then again, i'm often an idiot)
- dave mcclure
awesome. this reaffirms why i like ff better than twitter. the failwhale is kind of endearing, though.
- Marissa "malouie"
Couldn't agree more! The Fancy Pants people are too fancy, I just want interesting conversation(s)!
- Cheryl
Totally agree!! Wish I could get some of those people as my friends too!!
- ChaCha Fance
I can't stand FF posts with more than 10 comments. I want to filter them out but there is no option for that.
- Sam Pullara
What client are you using? twirhl makes comments on FF OK, but just OK. It's a shame that we're all this way and still don't have clients that support threaded conversations as good as tin or slrn on usenet...
- David Molnar
from twhirl
Good tip:)
- Igor Poltavskiy
david let's agree on 'as good as on usenet' - i never could stand neither tin nor slrn *g* but yes. it is now 10 years ago that most decent usenet clients had a feature set still not rediscovered for everything feedish ...
- Nicole Simon
Agreed as well I look out for the white speech bubbles as well to see what value they add to the FriendFeed community!
- Joe Dawson
and little like icons ;)
- Tyler Gillies
Occasionally I'll wander over to everyone and 'browse'. it's really eye opening as FF grows
- Charlie Anzman
Charlie, I like doing that too, but we need a language filter badly!
- Hao Chen
The number one trick A-listers use and I never liked? " hey I'm here now on friendfeed, comment on this if you want me to follow you". I don't want them to follow me because they are important. I want them to follow me because they feel I'm important to them!
- Alexander van Elsas
Agreed- when I see opinions I like from someone several times, I check to see if I've subscribed to them yet.
- Brian Carter
My first time on FF and I like the interaction I'm seeing. The "white bubbles" are a great way to find new and interesting people.
- Tom Newman
That's a great way to find friends with whom you can actually talk and count as friends. And the comments are a great feature of FF. I'm just getting to know how to make FF useful for me...
- Dan V
I haven't found FF list of recommendations terribly useful either. Although this is a bad example, because it brought me to this entry.
- TDavid
The criteria of "participate intelligently" is a relative word. What is "intelligent" to you may sound "stupid" to others? I guess the more appropriate term would be "value-adding to the conversation".. But I agree 100% on how "comments" can really uncover hidden gems!
- Winston Teo
I do this too. I consider the comments a kind of signaling (a concept I learned from economics). Too bad there are so little interesting people in FF (to me at least, my interests are a little "off" from the median).
- Meryn Stol
Why is there a dollar bill taped to the floor at FriendFeed's headquarters? (I was there today to pick up some stickers for our lunch tomorrow in Seattle). See the picture to see FriendFeed's ingenious bit of social engineering. - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Guy, Bec Rowe @d0tski, James Hull and 23 other people liked this
Very clever
- George The Writer
That's really cool
- Will Hirsbrunner
lol!
- Shivanand Velmurugan
from twhirl
Until they get so used to seeing the dollar that they don't look anymore and then trip on conduit..... ;P
- Jeff P. Henderson
What are you going to be in Seattle for? Is it an open lunch?
- John OBrien
Robert, just curious... why post a duplicate link when there's already a conversation in the published flickr photo thread? http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Alan Le
Thanks for getting the stickers!
- Erica Toelle
Alan: when I posted this there wasn't a conversation there. They both took off at the same time.
- Robert Scoble
When people get used to seeing the dollar bill, they'll have to upgrade to a $5 bill. This could get expensive!
- Morton Fox
What lunch tomorrow? Can anyone go?
- Ryan Stewart
Ryan: you really need to subscribe to my Upcoming.org page: http://upcoming.yahoo.com/user... It's the FriendFeed lunch and, yes, anyone can go.
- Robert Scoble
Wipeout (a Chevy's sister restaurant) has $5 bills stuck to the floors underneath the bar stools, so you can laugh at all the drunks trying to scrape them up. ;)
- Kevin Hessel
Jeeeze, I guess so. Subscribed.
- Ryan Stewart
I thought this said "Why is a three dollar bill taped to the floor..." and thought Robert was making homophobic insinuations about the FF team.
- Dan MacTough
from Alert Thingy
Total revenue to date?
- Geoff
@Sonciary Honnoll the office would need to set up a new budget, floor tripping budget maybe?
- Chris Harris
heh I should have sent you Seesmic tshirts and stickers too, next time!
- Loic Le Meur
The politics of Friend Feed - http://www.centernetworks.com/friendf...
Christopher Perry, Darth Ed, John Duff and 7 other people liked this
I think the "weblebrities" should follow more regular people. It's such a one sided convo sometimes
- Vincent Guerrero
@Verm. Yeah but at the same time, following 50k people is so much noise. These sites need some grouping options. Like let me put the weblebrity feeds in a group so it doesn't jam the overall signal. Interestingly enough, this is a comment on a weblebrity's feed. oh well.
- Vincent Guerrero
at the end of the day, it's up to _friendfeed_ who they put up there - don't see what all the drama is about. My guess is that initially they are appealing to the tech-centric early adopter crowd, so why not put those web celebs up there?.. they are a great filter for that demo.
- Kevin Rose
Hmm.. did they really forget to add you to the default nine? They should add a vote instead -- like they got it on socialthing.com - just vote internet celebrities into the famous friendfeednine.. or deselect people? @Jason C.? =)
- Dan van Moll
So if i become a celebrity they'll put me there. At least it gave result now many of this 9 people are advertising for friendfeed and here we are!
- Jorge
Thats pretty effed up. Hopefully they'll fix it and no-names like myself will be featured.
- jonn
Working on Mahalo's mission statement. Would love some feedback on it: "We're here to help people easily find information, answers and resources they can trust." - http://any feedback?
Bryan Landers, accesine, Marcello Del Bono and 15 other people liked this
Go with the Jerry Maguire manifesto
- stephen o reilly
It's nice, and accurate, but it would be great if we could get something in there about curation. I feel like that's the best description of what it is we actually do.
- Lon Harris
from twhirl
How about mentioning that "We're people helping people easily find info, etc." to differentiate from algorithms?
- Tom Guarriello
Simple and to the point. Thumbs up!
- Will Hirsbrunner
We are here to assist people by easily finding the right information, answers, and resources with a human touch ;)
- Robert Barr
how about something about free pizza and tshirts?
- Stefan Hayden
I think it needs to be more proactive . . . like "We help people find information, answers and resources they can trust."
- Telemill
Yeah Cason I don't think you could've put it more simple
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Jeez, you've been hanging out with Leo too long...sounds like some of the TWiT network's catchphrase has rubbed off. However, it does sum up Mahalo to a T.
- Steve Gillette
from twhirl
It's a great mission statement. Especially with FTGs creating pages, and link checkers (such as mike, debbie, and jeffhoard) checking all user-submitted links. I say that mission statement is a keeper - nice and accurate. PS, Jason, I've left you a few pieces of feedback to your Mahalo email address. ;)
- Chris Thomson
"Don't be google"
- Stefan Hayden
Lon Harris: a mission statement shouldn't get into execution as that is secondary to purpose. Our mission is to help folks find this information, but the way we do that is going to change and evolve. The fact that we currently do curation of links is really not super important to the mission... if we wind up getting a better product using another process (i.e. social bookmarking or semantic search) then we will do that. So, that's why i left out "with humans" or "by using human intelligence."
- Jason Calacanis
Or even . . . "With Mahalo find the information, answers and resources you can trust."
- Telemill
I see your point, but regardless of the process, think Mahalo would always involve some form of curation. Even social bookmarking would "curate" the Web, albeit differently than we do now.
- Lon Harris
from twhirl
Well, it COULD be simpler . . . "Mahalo, information you can trust" but then you sound like a bank for something.
- Telemill
A mission statement is about you, your business and your ideals.The best policy to a mission statement is to keep those three things in mind and, keep it short and simple. "We're here to help people easily find information, answers and resources they can trust." sounds a bit more like a catch phrase or slogan. What is Mahalo going to do to achieve that statement?
- Candace
Telecommutingmillionaire: I like the "We" It adds the human element vital to Mahalo without beating you over the head. I agree that it seems long so here's a modification that takes out a few words,but not the meaning: "We're here to help you find trustworthy information, answers and resources." Leaving in the We and the You sends the "by human, for humans" message.
- David Jones
I was musing the other day about whether mission statements still make sense. They remind of offsites and consultants.
- John McCrea
The word information makes "answers and resources" redundant, doesn't it? How about "Mahalo is people connecting people to information they can trust.".
- Joe Coughlin
@Telecommutingmillionaire "Mahalo, information you can trust" also sounds too close to "Netcasts you love from people you trust" from TWiT. For the network that Candace Holly and myself work on I picked the tagline "A Community of Creativity", simple and to the point. But that isn't exactly a mission statement rather than an overall tone.
- The Geek Media
Don't forget to add a vision statement. Mission = What is our business. Vision = What we want to become. You will gain clarity by doing both rather than putting them into one statement. I have an outline that will get you there if you are interested.
- Wade Bowlin
I think it's good. I think there can be a distinction between "answers" and "resources" and encourage you to keep the wording if it is accurate.
- Kimberly J
How about adding something like: We sort through the rubbish, so you don't have to.
- Ross Maguire
I think you should include the words "Real world" somewhere. Like "Solving real world problems."
- jonn
needs to include the word "synergy" somewhere
- Mistletoe Glen
Jason, it is alright, however... I would rather prefer the word "guide" to be placed in there. It shows that your company is more active in assisting the user instead of just "help" which seems more passive.
- James Mowery
from twhirl
needs more... "syngergy." And also some buzzwords indicating a strong human algorithm at work. =)
- Andrew Ruess
from twhirl
Andrew and I seem to be on the same path. That is, again, why I suggest replacing the word "help" with a stronger word. One that represents Mahalo's efforts in bringing the users the best quality information available.
- James Mowery
from twhirl
The tech writer in me wants to cut it down to "We help people easily find information, answers and resources they can trust." I agree that it doesn't emphasize the human element as much as I'd like.
- Brent Newhall
Comment: Interesting that you're crowd-sourcing a mission statement-- seems that a singular point of view would be important. Suggestion: it helps to define scope, focus, and end-result. Right now, your mission statement doesn't appear to drive employees down particular directions when they hit crossroads. Example: Mahalo exists to guide customers to the most relevant and trustworthy answers whenever/wherever they have questions
- Vijay Goel
We suck less than MS Search? :)
- Fred Grott
@David Jones, I still feel you are softening up the "punch" of the statement with "we're here". Take the here out. Rearrange the last few words so it flows off the mind and the tongue . . . "We help you find trustworthy answers, information and resources." Answers should be first, because we all really want good answers. Information is also what we are searching for but it's such a esoteric concept. And please, is there another word we can use for resources? It's just so . . . corporate speak.
- Telemill
Vijay: This isn't crowdsourcing. :-) It's asking the cloud for comments and feedback.
- Brent Newhall
Revisit Guykawasaki's lecture at last years Gnomedex, you'll end up with "Answers you can trust"
- Greg Birch
I hate to say this but it doesn't really catch my attention. It seems too generic.
- Blaine Fleming
It does sound like a corporate mission statement, I might Leo-ize it to "the answers you want, from people you trust." Just because Mahalo seems to be positioned as a friendlier entity than most corporations.
- Robert Morrison
The test would be how many employees can remember, and recite the "mission" no fluff, all my staff know our mission is "to give patients hope" Guy gave a great talk, mission statements that sound great can be found at http://www.netinsight.co.uk/portfol... but they usually fail the staff test. Disney's mission statement "to make people happy" even a CEO can remember that.
- Greg Birch
"we're here to help you find photos of hot chicks a lot quicker than normal"
- Rick
mahalo: we do search without the suck
- Andrew
We're here to help people enjoy finding answers, info and sources they can believe in.
- Mark Alves
"We're here to help people easily find information, answers and resources they can trust by empowering the passionate internet community."
- Techboy2000
Daily Kos :: Comments Tech illiterate - http://www.dailykos.com/comment...
Wes Justice, Ken Norton, Karen Mohler and 24 other people liked this
it pained me to click the like button but hey, at the end of the day - funny is funny
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Dude, the link is broken
- Ross Mayfield
@ross - hmm, works for me (http://www.dailykos.com/comment...)
- hunter walk
Ross: it works here. Maybe your series of tubes isn't going the right place. :-)
- Robert Scoble
More hilarious McCain slogan and logo's from the original thread they were made, (http://www.yayhooray.com/thread...). And all because it all looked a little toooo much like Obama's. So awesome.
- Ruben
I personally think it looked a bit too much like a TGI Friday's logo than Obama's stuff. That's just me, though.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
The “Participation Premium” - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
Tapio Liller, oliver gassner, Sarah Perez and 93 other people liked this
Nice post, in total ageement
- Patphelan
Wow. Great post Robert. Hope you & family had a fun 4th. I sure did!
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Brian, thanks. we had a great time. Nice and relaxing.
- Robert Scoble
Good point. That's driving good-quality participation instead of spamming attitudes. That could really improve the conversations.
- Marcello Del Bono
Robert, I agree with this, but regarding your comment on Allen's thread, the fact of the matter is that there are still 9 default people that get recommended when someone signs up. It's true, there is a "participation premium", and for good reason, but the big names still get rewarded simply because they're big names. I just wish I could see active FF users get highlighted now and then....
more...
- Raoul Pop
It's not a conversation if there's no participation. Good points, Robert.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Raoul: active FriendFeed members get featured all the time. You should learn how "Friend of a Friend" works. Anytime I like or comment on someone all 15,000 followers of me get to see that person's post and they can easily subscribe to them by hovering. The recommended list is totally useless for me, by the way. So I do wish they'd make it a lot better.
- Robert Scoble
What's amazing to me Robert is how much influence your *Likes* have. After you like something of mine, I usually see a rush of Friend adds. It's a very interesting dynamic to watch unfold.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
This is a great post!
- George Smith
@Raoul I definitely agree with you on the idea of changing who gets displayed in the first Recommended list. @Robert regardless of whether you pay attention to the Recommended list isn't really relevant IMO. The fact is that I would bet the majority of new arrivals to FriendFeed do indeed pay attention to it.
- Steven Hodson
Well, there probably has to be a combination of both - you can participate all you like, but if you don't do it in a meaningful and public way, it won't really matter. Still, a heartening thought that participation can be more important than name recognition alone. Gives some power to us little people (popularity wise, anyway).
- Erin
FF offers a remarkable way to participate. In fact, it's downright unique. Which is probably why FF will be HUGE. It has a pliancy of participation that's just unmatched, and it keeps getting better. Encouraging post.
- phil baumann
Yep. But, isn't "Participation" your full time job description? If it isn't, what is?
- Yuvi
Nice post. You're spot on with the analysis. The two of you use FF differently. Both of you are highly valuable to me as information sources, but in very different ways. Mike is a conversation starter. You carry and share conversations and link people that wouldn't otherwise connect. FF is smart to have both of you as recommended follows.
- Christian Anderson
Yuvi i spend everyday trying to figure out what my job is. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: you're doing for free what no "community manager" could ever do. I'd like to know how much engagement on FF, Twitter is directly related to the Scoble effect.
- Christian Anderson
So Robert, is there a certain point where you loose interest in a site simply because of the onslaught of new users? Does the signal-to-noise ratio go down as more users discover and start to use a site from your perspective?
- Jim McCusker
@Robert: Figured it out yet? ;) You are the only *classical A-Lister* whom I know as being really "approachable", as in I can tweet at you and expect to get a response (or leave a comment here and there's a reasonable chance that you'll respond).
- Yuvi
It's so true, it all boils down to interaction.
- Fredrik Nordmoen
Participation is key.
- Thomas Hawk
Robert Scoble: I just want to let you know how much I appreciate seeing your feedback and constant participation on FF. Because of this sole factor, I would much rather meet up with you than Mr. Arrington (I follow and respect you both) over a cup of coffee or during a photowalk. To be honest, I don't know how you keep up with it all, but keep it up!
- Justin Korn
Link to related conversation: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Sprague D
what makes Robert and his posts become more viral and engaging is that he does not post and run. He engages in conversations, and unlike Arrington, he is rarely confrontational and doesn’t have the same arrogance. I have followed him for a while, but became a real advocate after his trip to DC. I thought his coverage was engaging, informative and it was awesome that he included your son.
- Fred Neil
Jim: that is a question that needs its own blog post. I generally find that early adopters do tend to get bored but what gets us to leave are jerks and spammers. I think FF might be more resistant to all of these negative effects but we'll have to see.
- Robert Scoble
What Justin said.
- Yuvi
Great points Robert, thanks for not stealing ALL the points I wanted to make in my next post :)
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
fail bird http://www.seanpercival.com/blog...
- sean percival
Robert: trying to inspire new blog posts? not me! ;-)
- Jim McCusker
I liike that Mike Arrington just liked this. :-)
- Robert Scoble
@Robert and he left a comment on the blog post itself :)
- Steven Hodson
I agree about the participation factor. But I do think that this post and the "Off of the tech entertainment train" post should both be encapsulated in <ego></ego> tags.
- Tom Quinn
Robert, the thing is, you ARE a 'popular kid' in this niche, whether it's on your blog or on FriendFeed. 10x your blog readers puts you BOTH in the top fraction of blog rankings. You call it the "Participation Premium," I call it "people keep you on their friend lists if you're not dead weight."
- Andy DeSoto
Robert, great read the only thing I disagree with, is the comparison to Twitter after four months and FriendFeed after four months. As the logic goes, if hundreds (maybe thousands) of Twitter users are jumping the ship, (or, as I imagine, there is quite a bit of overlap), then the logic follows that many of them would land on FriendFeed (and hence follow you). Even though I consider...
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- David Adewumi
Scobleizer theorem of social media = participate indefinitely
- Kerem Ozkan
David: I don't think many Twitter users are jumping ship. I think a lot of them are finally seeing the utility of using both twitter and friendfeed together. But I do agree that it is easier for newer services to get quick adoption because of Twitter. The next big thing will happen even faster than FriendFeed did.
- Robert Scoble
I think the difference from Twitter to FriendFeed is that the casual Twitter followers never made it to FriendFeed. I don't know many casual Twitter users who continue to use Twitter with all it's issues.
- Sal DiStefano
Exactly right. Investment of yourself pays dividends in many ways.
- John Federico
I do see the utility of using Twitter and FF together. I'm sure both will help break the hot apps of the near-future. Just goes to show that discussion is not exclusive to how many people you know, but that the internet, in many ways, is leveling the playing field in discussion and influence.
- David Adewumi
Robert: BINGO BABY! you nailed it with this post... thank you for writing it! Not only is participation key for conversation, but also evangelism of the service; plus, community management. I would expect those as a bare minimum...not, "Oh gee, hey these guys are popular in the blogosphere; on some other service elsewhere so let's tell everyone to follow them here" (doesn't make sense, especially since *some* of them don't even really use FF yet except to aggregate a couple of feeds (cross-post / backup).
- Susan Beebe
This was a great post! As a natural worrier, I held my breath for a while after you said that this community is friendlier than any other. Surely the taint of the general way the Internet seems to operate will eventually ruin this place too? (I really hope not!)
- David Muir
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