give this sh*t a freakin' rest. we know you are hyping techcrunch like no other. we get it. but startups are big boys now and they can make whatever decision they want. They may fail, but let's face it, mahalo isn't exactly setting the world on fire...
- Wilma Stoneflint
Another one of those times I'd love the ability to "like" a comment.
- aldenoneil
Probably the wrong question, or maybe not an interesting question. More interesting, would legalizing pot harm society? I don't think so myself, but I think some could make interesting arguments that way. Can pot kill you? Probably in the sense that "booze can kill you."
- Wilma Stoneflint
the video is funny, "time is going really really slow, i think we are dying"
- Iggy Kin
Slightly related was a good piece in the SF paper about the public health issues of legalization (a rather dispassionate article presenting just medical 'issues' to be discussed as part of the debate that will likely be upcoming) http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin... The article notes while there has never been an adult fatality, the same is not true for infants and toddlers who have used marijuana (but does not cite the study)
- Andrew Leyden
death isn't the only way to loose your life to mj
- Don Strickland
BTW none of those statistics (even the one about swine flu) have anything to do with one's risk of getting swine flu. typical anti-science BS.
- Wilma Stoneflint
I'm sorry, I'd rather have statistics based in fact than fear-mongering by the media (and by way of Twitter).
- Veronica
I think the point of the site is if you going worry, there bigger things to worry about first!
- Fee501st
So, Veronica, you believe that we should make no preparations until after the event has occurred? For example, if a rock is flying at your house from the sky, and you have 12 hours to prepare, you'll wait until it hits? Are you suggesting that people shouldn't take precautions about disease transmission because they don't have the disease yet?
- Mistletoe Glen
You should always take precautions for disease prevention.
- Veronica
BTW, heading in to shoot Tekzilla now. Please, feel free to argue in my absence ;)
- Veronica
Apparently social media also abhors a vacuum. The vacuum in the news cycle is Sunday; Motrin Moms, Amazon and Swine Flu were all Sunday borne meme-ocracy storms.
- Gregg Scott
Media always does this, SARS, West Nile, etc
- Fee501st
I love how the news always jumps on these things (which is why I tend to avoid it). Whatever happened to bird flu? Wasn't that meant to kill everyone (according to the news)?
- Amy
That's a little unfair James. Padmasree got a HUGE artificial boost by being picked by Twitter for its recommended follower list. You've gotta take most of those 245,000 off if you are going to compare the two. Before Padmasree was added to that list she only had a few thousand followers.
- Robert Scoble
hahaha! He's gotta a lot of catching up to do!!
- Susan Beebe
All meant in fun, folks. All meant in fun.
- James Urquhart
James: maybe we should be asking Padmasree about what kind of embrace gets Twitter to add you to that list? Seriously, that list is really nasty because it leads to comparisons like this and leads me to wonder how much Cisco paid to be on the list, even though Twitter says no cash shared hands.
- Robert Scoble
I disagree with the premise that only 40 followers means something about your level of engagement with twitter. That is not true.
- Wilma Stoneflint
I'm afraid I'm turning into a FriendFeed zealot. Seeing posts on FF that promote Twitter immediately make me think "No! Lead them to FF!"
- Daniel J. Pritchett
@scobleizer Wow. Can of worms. All I can say is that I agree its not fair to compare the two--except for a laugh, to drive more followers to Lew, and encourage him to be more active...that's all I'm going to say about it.
- James Urquhart
Why does stuff like that always happen in some village in Grxbsgbstan and not in, say, Rochester New York? I wonder if "Peggy Wang" ever worked or the Weekly World News
- Wilma Stoneflint
I'll never be able to watch that episode of Rugrats where they save Angelica the same way again :(
- BCK
Oy! Good it did not start growing cones!
- petar vucetin
This is like something from the Alan Moore run of Swamp Thing.
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
from fftogo
Reminds me of that Fallout 3 quest, Oasis, about a mutant with a tree growing on his head.
- Nick
Yeah that sidequest was very interesting, Nick.
- Alex Scoble
After i decided to keep him alive, and passed the mission i accidentally set him on fire with the flamer :(
- Fee501st
You set him on fire?! I gently destroyed his heart... with fire. The way he asked me to :)
- Veronica
hehe kill it with fire! After I beat the game with good karma I went back a couple of saves, and went evil so i could get get the bad karma achievements, i killed anyone that talk to me and then some! >:)
- Fee501st
I think newspapers have actually done a decent job of evolving through things like CNN. Also, I think, on the whole, newspaper web sites are generally quite good. Remember, if you turn newspapers into web sites, they are not newspapers anymore. Print on paper is a compelling format..
- Wilma Stoneflint
I was reading a NY Times article today, about the Pritzker architecture award presented to an obscure Swiss architect. It included NO pictures, nothing I could see, about a man the NYT admitted most people knew nothing about. This is "old style" journalism.
- Stan Scott
Much of the same can be said for print publishing of books as well.
- John Taube
No, John. Can you imagine a book on architecture prizes and the people who won them WITHOUT any pictures of their buildings? I can't.
- Stan Scott
It just seems that book publishers are at risk of going down the same path as the record industry by not looking for ways to make the new environment work and spending a lot of time defending their actions.
- John Taube
Judging from recent appearances by several newspaper "luminaries", denial is not just a river in Egypt :) ..theirs runs DEEP.
- Alex Schleber
Looks like Jimmy billed himself as "co-founder" in 2002 before shifting to "founder". Not sure if this is important to the world but it's an entertaining read.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
"Beginning in 2004, you began leaving me out of the story of Wikipedia’s origin. You began implying, to reporters, that you had done a lot of the sort of work that, in fact, you hired me to do. You have even implied that I was opposed to various ideas that were crucial to Wikipedia’s popular success — when those were, for all intents and purposes, my own ideas. A good example is Daniel Pink’s article for Wired Magazine — in which you implied that I had little or nothing to do with Wikipedia."
- Daniel J. Pritchett
back away from Jimmy Wales. We are tired of it
- Wilma Stoneflint
And that's who Dell will likely be going after. Consider this: your company has Dell servers, so what if Dell offered a special Dell suite of Dell software to connect your Dell servers to your Dell smartphones? Something like what RIM offers, but more compatibility with the Dell ecosystem many businesses already have. And better package deals on hardware when you buy everything together.
- Leo Laporte
Nice in theory. Our company uses Dell servers, laptops. But none of us, including our VP of Technology would give up their iPhone or Blackberry. Integration with Exchange is the key, and it is hard to imagine Dell would do better at this than RIM. iPhone is better for other reasons.
- Wilma Stoneflint
It will have to be a heck of a phone to get any traction. The server management software is a great idea though. If they rolled that out to the iPhone and Blackberry platforms it could be a nice little cash cow. Especially with support for consumer desktops and media center PCs.
- Mike Thompson
Been burnt already with Dell via my Axim, and not likely to go down that path again.
- James Fridley
Anyone remember the Dell DJ MP3 player? Oh, right. Chances of Dell winning in the mobile space, less than 50%.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
He worked at Red Rock Casino. They laid off 400. Our driver tells me his uncles are laid off but he says they just sit around waiting for something to happen but he says he will make something happen. Will do whatever it takes to pay his bills. American spirit at its best.
- Robert Scoble
@Scobleizer - from Chef to Taxi driver after lay-off. Thats perseverance!
- frank barry
But is he getting the palm or sticking with the iphone ? ;) (Seriously, hats off to him)
- Thomas Bøhm
If I have to, I'll clean toilets, but I will not service septic tanks. No way, not without a level A hazmat suit!
- Chris Mayer
I stayed at Red Rock in Feb 08. Really great place. Sorry to hear they are having problems. Obama needs to sign the spending bill. Then maybe your chef / taxi driver can get a job in construction. ;-)
- Martin Schecter
At the IA Summit in Miami last April our taxi-driver was a Manhattan real estate broker
- Tim Ostler
This is one of the things I like about you - for all the teasing about your followers and being an A-lister and all that crap, you're a guy who's listening and interested when a cab driver is talking, not just when Tim O'Reilly is ...
- Patrick Jordan
Good example of how the American spirit perseveres even in these difficult times. You do what you have to do (which might not be what you want to do) until you can do what you want to do.
- Anthony Papillion
This is important in good times also, as a crew member who still has their job, and for the Captain of the ship. The first nine years at my last job, I cleaned the bathrooms, cleaned the floors, swept, shoveled snow, and did much of the dirty work. Not once as a token, but every week for nine years. Oh, and I was the CEO.
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
For some reason, I've never had a taxi driver who actually did that as a career. It always seemed to me to be a cool gig. You get to make up stuff to tell your customers. Makes the day go faster. Maybe a bigger tip if you somehow bond with them. Not that I'm cynical or anything.
- Wilma Stoneflint
+1 Patrick: That´s sort of what I wanted to convey too with my stupid comment. And to add something relevant: This is a problem in Norway when the going gets tough after good times when only immigrants have done all the "low class jobs". Our oil money and social system *unfortunately* ensure unemployed people good money without having to take these jobs. It sickens the society, taxation is high for other working people also in financial distress, and the oil won´t last (or be relevant) forever.
- Thomas Bøhm
Remember me of Argentina where the Taxi Drivers were architects, but it's not an advice for survival.
- Sebastian Wain
@ Thomas and Chris - thanks. He always talks about how crucial it is to follow smart people. This is one of the various things that shows how smart he is ...
- Patrick Jordan
Can you imagine an unemployed Steve Jobs cleaning toilets? He would no doubt invent a new seatless, buttonless (and self-cleaning) vestibule, the iToilet.
- Wilma Stoneflint
too many people believe certain work is too below them, you should be able to do whatever work is necessary to feed yourself/family.
- clarke thomas
I lived in my car for 2 weeks when I left my parents house as a kid. I immediately got a job, enrolled myself into college and did just fine working at a factory (Ernie Ball guitars - San Luis Obispo, CA). Some friends harassed me for working at a factory, but I had to buy food, get a place to live and make it!! Plus, I did make a whopping $11 bucks /hr and became the global Volume Pedal Manager! w00t
- Susan Beebe
Survival involves humility in spirit sometimes bordering on humiliation unfortunately....Pride falleth before destruction....
- bcultral
My hat's off to the guy too. And let me break this news: there's nothing uniquely American about that spirit. Come to the Philippines. I'm impressed everyday by people doing what they've got to do to keep bread (err rice) on the table for their family.
- Nick in Manila
Patrick: this guy was definitely smart, and funny. Told us lots of stories of Vegas and had a great outlook on life. Taxi drivers are great people to listen to because they see such a cross-section of life.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, Susan. (and, for the layperson, Ernie Ball volume pedals are among the best in the world :))
- dario
@ Robert - I've always enjoyed talking to cabbies, in every city and country I've visited / lived in. So I agree completely.
- Patrick Jordan
Inside everyone is a switch, located between their belly button and their backbone. No matter how much they may think a job is beneath them, once the belly button hits that switch, they change their mind.
- April Russo (app103)
@April: Or they turn to crime and nothing's lower than that...
- Jemm
I am currently working as a Hackney driver - although originally I was a Geological Engineer. Wont be for ever but def a good stop gap. Great conversations, no annoying co-workers - your out and about and see everything, totally plugged into the city around you. Long hours, but if you factor in zero traveling time to work, that kind of compensates. And Wilma - way too cynical.
- laprensa66
All taxi drivers must wash hands before returning to work as a chef.
- Kevin Leroux
Wilma's perception of taxi drivers not actually choosing that as their primary career isn't unusual. There are a great number with the same notion, so much so, that if you recall the tv series Taxi, there was only 1 character on the show that could say that driving a taxi was his career (Alex). The rest were all something else, or trying to be something else. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- April Russo (app103)
"without a whirring drive" - sounds Proustian.
- tom matrullo
On the other hand, we have tons of terabyte hard drives full of HD video. So, this can be counteracted by getting more teenagers HD video cameras so they shoot video and need to store it.
- Robert Scoble
I'm glad you are finally saying they should worry about this trend. This is the future. Mechanical hard drive manufacturers will either become SSD manufacturers in 10 years or cease to exist. Intel has made a lot of moves and partnering with other companies and will gain a foothold in what is now just a tiny segment of the storage industry.
- Dr. Apps
from twhirl
Dr. Apps: I think Seagate will surprise here. The expertise to make heads for hard drives is also very useful to building SSD's.
- Robert Scoble
SSD does seem to be the direction that things are heading in our increasingly mobile society.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I store a LOT of data on my laptop's drive. I'm actually looking at upgrading my 250GB internal drive to a 500GB drive.
- Raoul Pop
Raoul: I store a lot on my external drives hooked up to my laptop, but very little on my laptop itself anymore. Seagate shouldn't worry too much about young people, though. My 15-year-old son has tons of videos, music, etc. stored on his.
- Robert Scoble
Tried an SSD & loved it. Waiting for my laptops hard drive to die before I replace it with a SSD, my guess is around 6 months longer. I don't think Seagate should be worried, we still love storage, we're just moving it onto the cloud for better efficiency.
- Steven Cains
IBM release 1petabyte flash drives in 2012. Then everyone can look forward to having a data center in their computers.
- Baba
I use the laptop's hard drive for applications, primarily. The only exception is my MacBook, but that's more of a desktop machine in function anyway; it very rarely travels with me.
- teleken
before we bury Seagate et. al., remember they move forward with density as well. could you turn down 5TB for $100? At some price point, whiring disks still works at some density/price.
- Wilma Stoneflint
I have a Macbook Air with the 64Gb SSD, and even though it´s not the fastest, and is pretty small capacity by today´s standards, I love the silence and haven´t stumbled into any space issues yet (although it´s not my primary). I even ordered my new Macbook Pro 2.8 with "only" 250Gb HD because, as Robert said, I store more things on a shared NAS or the cloud these days. It´s great that it´s so easy to switch out the HD with a SSD at a later stage in the new MB/Ps.
- Thomas Bøhm
I store little on the laptop's hard drive. I don't use local email on any of my computers, and I tend to put docs I know I want to share onto Google docs or somewhere like IDrive. Another service I use a lot is drop.io - at least as temporary storage while on the go. Not got any SSD yet though it's only a matter of time.
- Ian May
I store music and video on my hard drive, everything else goes to online services (google mail, google docs, evernote, ...); i have some textfiles lying around, mostly notes I took at meetings.
- Uwe Schwarz
I can't tell you the last time I noticed the whirring of my laptop drive, they're virtually silent these days.
- Kenton
not sure which trend you mean. the article is confusing. it conflates the ideas of cloud computing/cloud storage with the move to SSDs. the article OPENS with a Seagate exec who "lays awake at night worrying" that data is moving to the cloud. then the article ENDS with the *same* exec saying he "rests easier" knowing that data is moving to the cloud, because his company makes data center hard drives. wtf? dude, which is it? staying awake at night or resting easier? :-D
- Karim
sandwiched in between these conflicting cloud observations :-) is actually a really nice, well-written piece about the move from conventional hard drives to SSDs. which surprised me because, while i love the NYT, the technology writing (Pogue aside) has tended to be on the *trailing* edge of tech and not on stuff i, personally, am considering buying. :-D so kudos for the middle part.
- Karim
I wish there was a way to block comments in the real time friendfeed feed. Sometimes I think people comment on popular stories only to be seen.
- James Thomson
Karim: Seagate will figure out how to make all sorts of storage devices. If the argument is between local and cloud storage, Seagate shouldn't lose any sleep. If the argument is between hard drives and SSD's, then Seagate should lose some sleep until they figure out how to make SSD's too. But, seeing how a 500GB drive costs $56 retail now I don't see a lot of things going SSD except for the richest people. I can't afford SSD's and I'm probably in the most likely part of the market to buy a laptop with those
- Robert Scoble
thats a fairly short sighted arguments, think 18 months down the line, SSD's will at least half in price, if not more.
- Alex Kessinger
from IM
Alex: and so will hard drives. What would you rather have? 60GB of SSD for still a way too high price or 500GB of hard drive for $25?
- Robert Scoble
I understand that. SSD's I think will las longer. If I know that my 60GB of data is safe I would rather buy the SSD. I will let cloud providers deal with hassle of triple redudant 500GBs HD, because the chance it will fail is high. I will pay a preimum for SSD because I think its superior at lasting longer.
- Alex Kessinger
from IM
Alex: you are absolutely wrong. SSD's actually have error rates FAR higher than hard drives. You just see that as reduced storage, but they do have problems according to my friends at Sun Microsystems that study such things.
- Robert Scoble
you mean because they have a higher failure rate, they have reduced storage? I may not have understood what you said. What I meant is that I have had a numbe of HD's and the fail at much higher rates for me, then any of my SSD drives.
- Alex Kessinger
from IM
Alex: yes, that's what I mean. I have had friends with SSD's that have died, though, too. They aren't without errors that can destroy data, so keep backing up your devices!
- Robert Scoble
Robert -- Seagate is supposed to announce SSD in 2009, but unless they go into the NAND Flash memory business, they might have to purchase memory and controllers from a company that does (e.g. Samsung, Micron, Numonyx...) This would be a big change to a vertically integrated company like Seagate. I've heard rumors that they would just *buy* a NAND Flash manufacturer... at least that way they could make SSD profitably :-D
- Karim
I store very little on my laptop's hard drive these days. I could definitely live with a smaller SSD someday. Some of the netbooks look pretty good. My next computer will be a MacBook Pro though.
- Allen Blair
the price/performance of hard disks is improving, but the price/performance of SSDs seems to be improving even faster. hard drive capacities obey Moore's law, but not hard drive performance: i'm guessing silicon has a greater chance of obeying Moore's law in performance than a mechanical spinning disk.
- Karim
This reminds me of an interview with William Gibson that I read where he didn't even know that computers made noise until after he had written Neuromancer.
- Akiva Moskovitz
re capacity growth: found one article (http://www.tgdaily.com/content...) that says SSDs are "doubling their capacity every 12 months, while traditional hard drives currently show a capacity growth of about 50% per year." 50% per year is Moore's law. 100% per year is growing *faster* than Moore's law. Here's another page where the author predicts SSD will outstrip Moore's law in the short term: http://www.storagesearch.com/ssd-law...
- Karim
what about failure rates, I think that is another dimension that these things need to be in context with
- Alex Kessinger
from IM
Clearly, no moving parts is the long-term win. But SSDs as we know them today are a stop-gap. There's too much performance overhead in making them look like spinning platters. Increasing capacities (of all kinds of media) will also soon dictate need for new error-correction methods. There's too much at stake when 10 years of data fits in your pocket.
- LogEx
I don't own a laptop. I do own a 2.5 TB NAS with moving parts. I will trust SSDs when the random seeks on nonjournaled filesystems don't kill the drive perfomance and lifespan
- Michael W. May
My data is on laptop and backed up daily to my LACIE 1 terabyte NAS server at home which has a 500GB backup (yeah, backup to my backup); even considering Amazon online storage in case my house burns down. Last week i was looking at SSDs for my laptop... I need 24/7/365 access for my data... so I was automatically thinking SSD - no seek time issue..fast !!
- Susan Beebe
Seems like most of them boil down to "get people to work harder, for longer, for the same amount of money or less." Not so much an IDEA as it is wish fulfillment. I mean, I think everyone knows if we forced old people to work and didn't give them health care, we'd save money. It's just not all that terribly practical, in that old people often CAN'T work (at least as productively as younger people) and sometimes they simply need health care.
- Lon Harris
No, not horrible, Luddite filled story. Sorry. Very reasonable take on the Tesla (not necessarily one with which I agree on every point). Thanks for the link.
- Wilma Stoneflint
Well, why do we need to bailout Tesla?
- Peter Ghosh
He does seem to be missing some of the point at least; Tesla does also sel/licensel much of the technology they're developing. The roadster is a marketing tool as much as anything - and it certainly works. They get much more press coverage because of it! As for the bailout money, I don't see why they shouldn't be entitled to a share if the big three get some free taxpayer cash. Not special treatment, just the same treatment.
- John
I wouldn't quite call it "luddite-filled", but it does seem to miss the point that most automotive innovation is originally developed for high-priced, limited production vehicles, then makes it way down the lines. For example, seat belt pretensioners, traction control, stability control, and crumple zones all found their way into the market via the Mercedes S-Class, IIRC.
- Ken Sheppardson
I'd also point out the cost to GM to produce the EV1 was around $80K, however the company subsidized the vehicle and lease payments were based on a price of ~$35-45K. Perhaps Mr. Stoss wouldn't object so strongly to lending a hand to Tesla if they built generic looking boxes that wouldn't go faster than 55mph and only came in black and white.
- Ken Sheppardson
"The Roadster is not much more than a functioning concept car that sells for $109,000". I don't like it when someone writes things like this in an article and fails to explain the reasons behind that kind of a statement. It's like if one said: " Randall's writing is bad". These statements are so subjective that they MUST be explained further. Especially if you have a large audience listening.
- Davide D'Incau
I'm particularly amused at the phrase "functioning concept car." To me, that implies that it actually works, while being as cool as a concept car. How is that a mark against it?
- Brent Newhall
someone who make $80K -- $120K year can afford a $60K car? Hey Jason, maybe you could start a business selling credit default swaps on the loans....
- Wilma Stoneflint
I am reporting that Maryam is stuffing the turkey. Yes, it is journalism.
- Robert Scoble
Hahaha, too funny. It's like a bird play by play.
- TheSleepyGeek
Oh, stuff that Robert. ;-) (It is not on the #mumbay scale, but it is journalism)
- Arne Hulstein
the true question is: What is journalism and how twitter can contribute to it
- Ouriel Ohayon
Twitter is useful when an event is ongoing. It becomes noisy in the aftermath.
- Paul
Journalism by definition is in the midst of such a profound shift in what it is that the question isn't really that interesting. I am just learning detail about Mubai from Twitter. I link to NYT or BBC or whatever, more often than not lately from Twitter. Everybody is different and that fact is more clear than ever now. Whatever works for you.
- Mary Anne Davis
@Orli, it sure is. I mean, self-aggrandizing aside, I post my newsfeeds on it.
- Terence
According to MW there are many definitions for Journalism. The last entry correlates to Twitter, IMHO. *Writing designed to appeal to current popular taste or public interest* Twitter by default, is a publishing and distribution channel. It "can be" a form of new journalism combined with an integrated wire service. Happy Thanksgiving!
- Brian Solis
No, it's more an eyewitness or spreading rumors thing. Journalism is (or should be) are more profound thing, but it can't be that fast.
- Michael Zehrer
What is journalism? The dictionary doesn't know: "the activity or profession of writing for newspapers or magazines or of broadcasting news on radio or television." Wikipedia says "Journalism is the profession of writing or communicating, formally employed by publications and broadcasters, for the benefit of a particular community of people.". If it is communicating to a group of people (broadcasting) it is. Most of us are a broadcaster, are we all journalists?
- Wilbert
Maybe Twitter as a website is journalism. It is an open community based on peer-review.
- Wilbert
+1 @Michael. It's more like source for journalism - firsthand accounts. Journalists usually report on events that happen to somebody else. Tweets are personal events/thoughts.
- Jared B. Luther
The collecting, writing, editing, and presenting of news or news articles in . . . & Written material of current interest or wide popular appeal. I think that the way many people use Twitter does hit that bar.
- Joel Ordesky
It sure is more than a news source. It's citizen journalism. And most times, Citizen Journalism is most accurate and fast than traditional media. Period.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
I think Amy Gahran has some good insights into how it can be great tool for it --> http://www.contentious.com/2008... ... I think it is an awesome resource but still not sure how to best use it. I am very much still exploring it but if everyone at SxSW for example hashtagged and tweeted I would think it surely is journalism.
- John D. Lemke
from twhirl
Journalism, as I see it, is analysis and deep insight. Twitter acts like a witness. No time for analysis just relaying the event, with some superficial observations perhaps but not the profound insight that time makes possible
- Mahesh CR
from twhirl
Twitter v Journalism is like data v information. I watched Twitter last night for the stream of data http://tinyurl.com/6b4wjj and I periodically checked the distillation of that data in Wikipedia http://tinyurl.com/5pbnde but I also read this morning's Washington Post article for the context and analysis http://tinyurl.com/6ya9cl . There's plenty of room for all three.
- Timothy B. Taylor
No, it's not. It's stream-of-conciousness stuff. It's the difference between data and information.
- Sean
Sean: that's bullshit. I can tell a pretty good story in 140 characters.
- Robert Scoble
Michael: you have absolutely no idea what journalism is if that's what you believe. Journalism is the act of me telling you what is happening. No more, no less. I can do a LOT of journalism in 140 characters.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, can you elaborate on how to tell a story in 140 characters? (In less than 140 characters, of course.)
- Tom Landini
Tom: it's partly sunny in Half Moon Bay. That's a story. That's journalism. All in 140 characters.
- Robert Scoble
Even better, downstairs Maryam is yelling at me to baste the turkey. :-)
- Robert Scoble
It's bright and sunny this morning in Berkeley, temperature in the low 60s. This post is 109 characters long.
- Dave Winer
My name is David Winer. This post is 57 characters long.
- Dave Winer
I think this discussion is pointless. Stop the presses! This post is 88 characters long.
- Dave Winer
I've never liked the term "story", gives me connotations of something made up. I know that's not true (sometimes ; ) ). I do think twitter is too limiting for indept analysis, but that's what links are for. Twitter can be used to give flash updates and track an event, but then so can anything that allows you to receive such nibbles of data. It's just another tool.
- alphaxion
in a way; all the major news orgs have twitter feeds however, their posts lead to links of their online stories which are of course a lil more in depth: sometimes
- sofarsoShawn
Robert and Dave: Those statements do tell me what is happening. And I guess that can be a basic form of journalism. But they don't tell me why I might want to pay attention to that. Maybe I was thinking more in the dramatic than the journalistic sense. Good discussion here.
- Tom Landini
There goes Winer again, trying to make a point in a pointless discussion!
- Robert Scoble
Tom: if I wanted you to pay attention I would have said "Free sex under partly cloudy Half Moon Bay skies."
- Robert Scoble
I think the question is whether stuff on twitter can be "Good" journalism
- Wilma Stoneflint
it's istant source of information which could lead to a big news!
- Christian
Memo to Daily Print News Business: Surrender the breaking news beat and focus on analysis and perspective.
- Eric Schwartzman
For an excellent analysis of this issue see "Overload!Journalism’s battle for relevance in an age of too much information" in the current issue of the Columbia Journalism Review http://tinyurl.com/6dxbmj
- Timothy B. Taylor
More than to little and less than too much? I think it's probably bound to how you use the service. If you follow everyone in the home list and try to watch EVERYTHING than fewer updates are probably better. If you accept you won't see everything and segregate things you care about seeing into lists so you can keep a closer eye on them then updating all the time is probably more acceptable
- matthew john ernisse
Completely subjective... Dave might also think you talk too much at happy hour... other people not so much. You can't please everyone so F*** it and just be yourself.
- Brian Roy
Since I don't read all FriendFeed entries, there's no such thing as "too much" - unless one person is completely dominating my feed, which is unlikely since I'm following a few hundred people.
- Ontario Emperor
There's a right amount? I guess it depends on how many people you're following. I am following close to 400 I think and your posts don't drown other people out... If I were only following you maybe it would seem like you posted "too much"... Everyone has a different tolerance, I think.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
There is no too much and there is no not enough. One man's noise is another woman's community. ;) Or something...
- Erin @queenofspain
Robert, you certainly seem active but certainly nowhere near too much. I make plenty of good discoveries through your Likes. Don't stop.
- Dion Hinchcliffe
The right amount is apparently the amount Dave can follow in the time he's allotted.
- Ken Sheppardson
Dosent bother me either. You don't boycot the newspaper becuase its got too many pages to it. You buy it cause you know thers gonna be some useful pieces of insight - i rarely read every article in my Sunday Times, but I always will find a few really intersting articles in there.
- Roberto Bonini
"Don't let the [cyber] door hit you on the way out" :{>
- Andy Leonard
I am subscribed to you, Robert, and about 200 odd other people, and I HARDLY see your posts come up.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
I think when you overcome the anxiety that you might be missing something important you use friendfeed better. At the end of the day if anyone things you Friedfeed too much why not put you in a list "for later" and peruse your entries at their leisure? Posting too much would be annoyind without the use of lists (your posts would end up hiding everything else) but if you use the tools provided you'll be ok.
- sofiagk
Robert, I just looked at your feed. Doesn't look like an overburdensome amount to me.
- Ontario Emperor
Frankly, Robert, you aren't doing enough. KEEP UP WITH THE REST OF US. :)
- Steven Perez
FriendFeed too much? No such thing. Too much for Winer? Completely subjective. (Yes! I left out the silly puns!)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I found out that I would rather use FriendFeed as my capture, muse, and announce entry and let it echo to twitter rather than the other way around. Biggest reason is avoiding the SMS limit and having one RSS feed that captures all of my activity. I go to twitter from my phone, but I only accept directs there.
- Dennis E. Hamilton
from twhirl
Personally if someone got noisy but still had value I would separate them onto a list.
- Robert Scoble
That is the point... I want to miss about 98% of it. I just want to engage in conversations with people I find interesting. We act like this is somehow different than any other conversation venue...
- Brian Roy
Good 'ol Dave Winer really knows how to make friends and influence people. He blocked me on Twitter when he didn't like what I said in reply to him. Considering the source, I wouldn't give it a second thought. Keep it coming!
- Scott Maentz
I just had a small altercation with Dave as well -- maybe to quote Mona N "he had some bad oatmeal" ?
- Brian Sullivan
And you have pretty erratic habits, RS. By that I mean you will be off doing the Scobleizer thing and then get a few moments and "slam" FF with your time and focus. I'm guessing if there was some sort of chart for activity on FF to time, you're activities would be pretty spikey, but not more or less than most other "active" folks. Just my thoughts, I could be wrong ;)
- jamesdkirk
Dave just has it in for FF because his 140 character pearls of wisdom often don't stand up to the scrutiny that a conversation on FF surrounding the comment can sometimes provide.
- Aaron Krug
@Scott Maentz now, now, then, then - usually the truth lies somewhere in between ;-) This is part of the larger conversation around walled/open, access and influence vs. (what's the opposite of that?), etc. @Bria Roy reflects what we probably all do - "it does not matter until it becomes important" is the new "I'll know it when I see it" :D
- Valeria Maltoni
You are only allowed 12.370 posts per day according to posting.limits.on.friendfeed.makes.no.sense.com... :-)
- Seagate
Just taken a look at your feed and frankly don't think it's enough. You having an off day?
- Nicola Quinn
Nicola: I just got up! Give me a few more minutes! :-) Jamesdkirk: I'm spiky because I'm not always online. I do sleep and yesterday I was off doing interviews.
- Robert Scoble
Yes, I agree... it's a bit too much. When I'm on FriendFeed, it's several pages of Scoble before I see anything else.
- Mason Blake
@Scobleizer - "Personally if someone got noisy but still had value I would separate them onto a list."... exactly. Being unfollowed by someone who provides valuable content to a content powered site, regardless of quantity, is done simply by lack of understanding of the application.
- Enrique Gutierrez
Wilma: no, I don't need those. I do want to have conversations with smart people and Dave's one of the people I love having conversations with.
- Robert Scoble
the comments you are getting says it all, there can't be too much FFding!!
- Devakishor
scoble is a noise maker and evangelist by profession. njoy or leave him alone :)
- George Tziralis
The best thing about these tools is that they adapt to whatever each user wants - I'm not saying anything groundbreaking by saying that its up to each user to decide for themselves what role they want something like FriendFeed to play in their lives. I don't know why he didn't just file you into your own list and yank you out of his main stream
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I agree with Enrique, FriendFeeds lists allow you to create interesting subsets of your full follow cloud. Now if you could only add track terms to lists-- you might have something.
- Cliff Gerrish
Mason: funny, when I start FriendFeed I don't see any Scoble posts. :-)
- Robert Scoble
There is no such thing as too much. Grouping our connections is necessary to keep data and connections meaningful, actionable and manageable. I think folks are struggling with that piece, and will continue to until we find better aggregation techs/methods. FriendFeed is a step in the right direction... but hardly a silver bullet.
- Paul Daigle
Marco: that's the right way to handle someone who goes noisy. Just put them in their own little folder, er, list, and remove them from your main feed. Of course I do the opposite. I keep all the noisy people in my main feed and put all the high signal, low-noise people on my tech list.
- Robert Scoble
It is completely down to the individual what they think is too much, I wouldn't worry too much if someone unfollows you because of it.
- Richard
dave has personal issue of some kind, unless he can clarify his point by explaining in detail, it holds no substance.
- imran
Richard: am I worried? No. I just used it to start a conversation. 45 comments in 18 minutes. Wow.
- Robert Scoble
you cannot friendfeed too much. We don't have good filters to find what the 5% of your updates most relevant to me.
- Phil Wolff
from Alert Thingy
i just check and see whether there is any value being added to what i already know or want to know .. if none or insignificant, i unfollow as well..as a rule, i dont follow those recommends most of whom have little more than personal/insider twitts...i dont really care how famous/savvy/rich FFer is. i only care about his/her contents..that simple.
- Hayk H.
Phil: yeah, it's hard to know what in FriendFeed really will be interesting to us individually but I've found that a high percentage of the time my interests actually align with those of the crowd. Well, except when it comes to manboobs. I hid all those, even though they all started a ton of conversation and got lots of likes.
- Robert Scoble
@Scobleizer - also easier to follow international stuff here vs. Twitter where it gets drowned. There's multi sensory info - images, comments, likes and you can see "communities of conversation" more easily (more 360).
- Valeria Maltoni
I like your activity on FriendFeed much more than Twitter. Twitter is a 10-20 time a day MAX activity... FF is a 20-200x a day system. I think that is how it will hash out.
- Jason Calacanis
I'd rather have too much information than too little. I'm sure you would still disseminate the same amount of info even if you were the last person on this planet.
- James Hoang
I quite like it. I don't follow a huge amount of people so there is quite a lot of quiet time for me when you're busy doing other things. Gives me stuff to go back and look at in the mornings too as youre on a different time shift.
- Simon Wicks
Oh, he's just crabby. You are quite clear both on FF and Twitter that you're a very active user, so followers should caveat emptor and learn to deal.
- Sheila Scarborough
In regards to how do you can personally gauge what is 'too much' - this is something Ive been working on via http://TweepleTwak.com. Having visibility of spikes in "unfollows" has been helpful in identifying the causes within tweets. Still there is no perfect science :-)
- Josh
It would also be different if the content you post was uninteresting... Like Simon, I don't follow too many, so my feed is pretty under control.
- Victoria Plautia
Josh: I get lots of unfollows, but they usually are included with 10x as many follows. So, maybe pissing off some of your audience some of the time is a good thing?
- Robert Scoble
Following for me is more about volume and value. If there are too many low value posts, I'm going to unfollow. At the moment, you seem to have hit the right balance for me. True, lots of posts, but most are interesting.
- Chris Rogers
I tend to ignore Twitter for the same reasons. Too much noise and hard to get the context. Friendfeed is much better and usually the content is more valuable. Your content onFriendfeed is actually relatively informative. Keep posting.
- Jeremy Chone
There is no perfect amount and you'll never please everyone. I'm typically interested in what you post on FriendFeed and Twitter - I will say that I did prefer them to be separate. Since I follow you on both services - I don't necessarily want to see your FriendFeed items on Twitter.
- Kasey
Isn't Dave the one who always says "If you don't like what I say, just unfollow, but don't slam the door behind you?" hmmm
- Bill Kellogg
with all the filters that Friendfeed has, there is really no need to unfollow anybody
- Nikos Anagnostou
Bill: Dave didn't say anything. I noticed he unfollowed and I asked him why.
- Robert Scoble
There is no right or wrong amount as everyone has different tolerance levels!
- Joe Dawson
I'd like to see the top ff users make a list of the top tricks to use with ff to get it working the way you see best.
- Pete Barry
That's not an accurate quote -- I would never say that, and people, imho have a right to sign off or on at will. Joe Dawson gets it exactly right, you should keep doing what you want and don't worry about people who unfollow. I don't like it when people send a nastygram when they unfollow, and I also don't like to be called out when I unfollow.
- Dave Winer
Re Bill Kellogg, I hope he checks back here. People really pay attention to this stuff. You gotta be more careful with the quotes.(Just read the whole thread, what an embarassment.)
- Dave Winer
Dave, here's the quote: http://friendfeed.com/e... "I stopped following you for the same reason a lot of people stop following me -- you're so prolific! You're half the traffic I'd see on Twitter or FF. I was OD'ing on Scoble! I've already been Scobleized. It's time for other people to get the Treatment."
- Robert Scoble
Dave, oh, I see you're talking about the quote that Bill Kellogg attributed to you. Yeah, I've never seen you say that. As for my part in calling you out when you unfollowed me? I'm sorry, but I think that unfollowing behavior is interesting to study for a whole lot of reasons. This is a public social network and behavior here is fair game, seems to me. Maybe FriendFeed should have a feature where you can block people from seeing whether you are following them or not. Sort of an "invisible follower."
- Robert Scoble
And it was a legitimate question, but I do agree that too many of the commenters got snarky toward you personally and I'm sorry for that.
- Robert Scoble
I had some people unfollow me too for too much posting, honestly I'm not to bothered. Then again I Tweet everything I FF. @Scobleizer I don't think you should worry about too little or too much. You wouldn't be the source of information that you are if you didn't share it. Right?
- Daniel W. Crompton
No! Don't hire him SNL! I have this theory that all the great people on SNL eventually leave and make a name for themselves on their own :P
- Rudolf Olah
And, with the exception of Eddie Murphy and his 1000 characters, they can't do the stuff that they previously did on SNL.
- Ontario Emperor
back in the day, chevy chase' didn't mimic ford at all, but everyone knew it was ford. that was genius. Armisen's bad bad imitation is worse that no imitation.
- Wilma Stoneflint
I imagine there will be a lot of "shoe on the other foot" in the next 4 years
- Robert Hafer
9...one point off due to the mentioning about "our enemies". We don't want to hear about that right now.
- Fleagle
that was a nod to the right-wing people. they like that stuff.
- Jon Lee
10 - Inspirational, but still addresses the real problems that face America, even though a new president-elect is waiting in the wings. On the contrary, Fleagle, I think it's right for people to hear about the problems to help temper their hope and joy with the reality that there's still a lot of work to be done to get the country back on the right track.
- Cheryl Jones
i give it a 3, typical political BS speech that doesn't mean anything.
- Spencer
the original "yes we can" speech was an 11. the 2004 DNC speech was a 10. the post-Rev. Wright race relations speech was also a 10. this was a 9.
- Chris Hollander
liked the race relations speech, sold me on obama. can't wait for the inaugural...
- Wilma Stoneflint
Truly one of the best political speeches I've ever heard. Right up there with EMK at the 1980 De. Convention. 10
- Jeff Jones
10 - He mentioned a puppy, that was just cool. It made him seem - unlike many politicians - human. I've heard other speeches he's given that are 10's too, like one on the dangers of religious indoctrination he gave at a church, which got many cheers despite the audience.
- Will Higgins™
10 - History in the making. He has the ability to fill you with hope & joy - and I'm an Aussie girl. Congratulations America!
- JanLawrence
9.5...only .5 lost because for some reason I liked his 2004 speech just that little bit more.
- Zee.
It means Robert already has travel plans. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Guess it's time for the Candians to pull out the couch for Scoble!! I think you should give it a chance before fleeing the country the day after election.
- Les Zaldor
the real question is: if McCain wins, will you be allowed to get back to the US again? :)
- dario
Dork! Careful, they might through you in a state run start up over there ;)
- jamesdkirk
sailing to international waters then turning right around, nice.
- adolfo foronda
you wont make your flight. Incendiary items are not allowed.
- Sean Oliver
Leaving not a problem...try getting back in :)
- John Nogrady
funny, I'm planning on leaving if Obama loses!
- Luis Valdes
is this how scoble creates traffic... makes an arbitrary statement without cause or reason... then he reads all of these comments and feels better about his day? I really don't get it.
- Caleb Cherry
really? I srsly thought you were pro-Obama, technology, pro-Net Neutrality, and civil rights. In any case, I respect your choice, just honor it.
- Joe Manna
@Caleb, it's a soc-web experiment demonstrating how people don't bother to read comments
- Christopher Galtenberg
Just in case you were serious :) I sympathize...this election is a loser no matter who wins.
- Chris Rossini
It is funny how many thought this was an anti-Obama post. It is not. Also Rocky bet me $100 that McCain will win. I will collect that in the morning too. I love taking money from Republicans! :-)
- Robert Scoble
That's because you're traveling to China in the morning
- Jesse Stay
what you're not saying is if you'll come back from China if McCain wins!
- Jorge Escobar
Interesting to see who follows you closely enough to know about the China trip and who doesn't. Clever post Robert! :) Enjoy the trip... looking forward to hearing about it.
- Lucretia Pruitt
If McCain wins, were closing the border here in Canada.
- Gene Moreau
At least getting back into the country will be a breeze! Obama will remove all border restrictions! :)
- Ben
اوباما برد رابرت جان پاشو برو از اون کشور :)))
- پارسـا
Two things; who's AdBrite? Also, two of the people laid off are the VP Finance and the VP Marketing. Me thinks there were problems there already and the economy just pointed them out. You don't get rid of your marketing VP when you're heading into a period of economic uncertainty unless he can't do the job.
- Kenton
"The World Bank Group's computer network — one of the largest repositories of sensitive data about the economies of every nation — has been raided repeatedly by outsiders for more than a year, FOX News has learned. It is still not known how much information was stolen. But sources inside the bank confirm that servers in the institution's highly-restricted treasury unit were deeply penetrated with spy software last April.
- Leo Laporte
obviously they should have been listening to security now and then they wouldve been able to prevent this :)
- Jonathan Jesse
Fox News!? Leo, perhaps you are still to be hoped for.
- eggsy
why should World Bank have secret data? it's not a US gov't agency. it is more like the U.N. By the way there is a ton of data in their public facing site in any case.
- Wilma Stoneflint
pension? how quaint. no one gets a pension in our "ownership" society. only a 401K account that is worth about 20% less than last week
- Wilma Stoneflint
nobody thinks about it, because nobody really, really believes it will ever be outlawed. in the u.s., there will always be a choice.
- Wilma Stoneflint
I agree. I don't think it will truly ever be outlawed completely. I do think you'd see several people answer your punishment question, though, by saying a life for a life like murder. A lot of anti-abortion people are pro-capital punishment.
- tarahog1980
I always thought it unusual that anti-abortionists are so pro after-birth abortion. They say that people put to death via capital punishment aren't innocent like a fetus. When you ask what about the innocent that are put to death? They seem to believe there is an acceptable loss. Probably why so many are pro war. I've wondered if we could determine who would be rapist, murders and criminals prior to birth if they might change their support of abortion...even if our determination wasn't 100 %
- Sidney
It's actually impossible to ban abortions, as the Irish have found out. So you outlaw it in the US. Some pro-choice people will just buy a bunch of boats and get people who need an abortion on the boat and go out past the 12 mile zone. Now abortion is legal and there's not a thing that any country in the world can do to stop it. Making abortion illegal just unfairly punishes those who cannot afford to pay for such measures.
- Alex Scoble
I'm not sure anti-abortionists care a whit about safety, economics or libertarian philosophy. It's a binary decision: always wrong.
- dkb
Slightly off topic, I never understood why abortion is a yes/no black/white issue. In the beginning it's a clump of cells, abortion is acceptable by most people (Day after pill/Birth control, etc). At 30 weeks, the baby can live on its own in a NICU. Aborting then is killing a living thing. In between is the gray area to be fought over between Medicine/Science and Politicians.
- Bryan Clark
Nothing. Abortion in Canada runs since forever, never got a social problem and politicians don't talk about it, case was closed so long ago. I find it special to see the US gets so much to say about it vs. our no-case since forever situation, like the discussion was where the problem lied.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
in talking points, i think the debates were a draw. but it subtly showed obama as very presidential. mccain's campaign remains the train wreck. debate was the turning point.
- Wilma Stoneflint