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Felicia
Dr Horrible on the Emmys - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Dr Horrible on the Emmys
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Since that one got yanked, I somehow doubt that this one will be pulled: http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Joel
So glad ABC Australia could come through with the vid. Got to love gov't paid for TV, it isn't going anywhere. - Jeremy Vandel
Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Adrian
Wut? #yeahitsnerdcore... sue me ;p - Adrian from Bookmarklet
You are likely to be eaten by a grue! - Adrian
What the hell is a grue? - Remo
A grue is a monster that dates back to the original text-based Infocom adventure game, Zork, in 1979. More importantly, the first line in the game is... yep, you guessed it: "It Is Pitch Dark. You are likely to be eaten by a grue!" This song is deep, my friend. - Adrian
Mark Wilson
Off to watch Night Court & make dinner. You read that right. Night Court! What year is it again?
NIGHT COURT!!!! OMG WANT!!! - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I'm subscribed to John Laroquette on Twitter and, man, is he entertaining. - Spidra Webster
It's 1989, and I'm 11. AWESOME! - Anna Haro
Spidra, Larroquette is on Twitter? *runs off to Google his Twitter address* - Mark Wilson
Spidra, thank you, thank you, thank you. *Does the dance of joy!* - Mark Wilson
Night Court rings bells. I remember it was funny..... - Roberto Bonini from iPhone
Cathleen Rittereiser
I went to FriendFeed to post a comment about the sale, but decided to post it on Twitter because I know someone will see it
What does that mean? - Anika
I think it means that friendfeed is so noisy with all the FB/friendfeed merger cruft that her thread would have gotten lost in the ocean. - Alex Scoble
213 comments and 18 likes You never really used FF anyway so I'm not sure it matters. - Michelle Martinez
Alex, that's so charitable of you, but Michelle is closer to the truth. My secret code name for FriendFeed was "SelfFeed" because I rarely communicated on it directly and rarely got much response to what I was posting from any other channel. I guess the latter is to be expected, given the former, but if I had felt more signs of life from anything I had done here, I might have used it more. - Cathleen Rittereiser
I was trying to start a new paragraph put it posted instead. I was about to say that I was recently finding more conversation here, and was thinking about how I could use FriendFeed more, but I was too late to get there. I used to post my FriendFeed to Facebook and stopped because I felt like I was in an echo chamber, but had also considered doing that again. I think it's a win for... more... - Cathleen Rittereiser
Fortunately you send your Twitter feed to FF so I didn't miss it. :) - Kevin Gamble
Alex Schleber
This sums it up pretty well re: FaceFeed - [screencap of comments on Scoble's blog]
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Mark Krynsky
Pushing a Geek Agenda with Trending Topics - http://krynsky.com/pushing...
Pushing a Geek Agenda with Trending Topics
awesome graph. - Jim Hearts FF
hilarious. - Justin Long
nice - Josh Haley
Ok folks...your turn to divulge something. - Mark Krynsky
i've been reading "here comes everybody" by clay shirky and he makes the point that right now we are mixing both "broadcast" information and "information shared with my friends" on the same channels. thus we read something written by someone else and think it is inane and totally uninteresting to us... when in fact it wasn't written FOR US... it was written by the person for someone... more... - Justin Long
Justin, yep...that is definitely happening. - Mark Krynsky
What's wrong? Nobody wants to admit to anything? *bitchlips* - Mark Krynsky
Joe Beda
Our favorite spot to see them is the field next to the Boys and Girls club on Mercer Island. - Scott Ludwig
This was from I90 on the Mercer Island side. Some friends live there and have a party every year. It was too hot though. - Joe Beda from iPhone
Internet's Tad
w00t! Downloading Dr Who: Planet of the Dead on my Xbox 360!!
It is a good episode - Wizetux
Agreed Wizetux - Soup
Brett Kelly
That's a lot of vim
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I like your monitor stand. - Geoff Schultz
where is the vigor? - anna sauce
Is brettandpickles.com real? - Jimminy
Jimminy: it was a podcast I did awhile back (we did 3 whole episodes!). it's still in iTunes, but the project is defunct, so I took the site down :) - Brett Kelly
Wow, straight out of the gate it's funny. You guys should have kept going. - Jimminy
My favorite episode is the short one ("Short 1"), but it's rather unlike the other episodes. - Brett Kelly
You can never have too much Vim - Tom Horn
Robert Scoble
Yet another band says thank you for pirating our song - http://www.inquisitr.com/30803...
Story of the music industry, really... - Amir
directeur
I'd like to teach you some of my favorite #vim tricks, teach me yours :)
:g/^/m0 reverts a text file (last line goes to the top) - the explanation is quite easy actually. g/^/ means global command on every line where the pattern '^' is found (i.e. every line) and m0 is a vi command that means "m"ove to line 0. Now imagine this command being applied to all lines See? Sometimes I use :g/^/m3 for eg. to keep the 1st 3 lines in their positions :) - directeur
say you're inside an html tag and you'd like to change its content. you just type "cit" (in normal mode) which is: Change Inner Tag. the same tip applies well with v, d, y instead of c. and even things that aren't html tags like ", ', (, {, [... you get the idea :) - directeur
Oh also, don't waste your time by moving character by character, this is so "notepad'ish" :) Use f, F, t, T in normal mode. for eg. suppose the cursor is at the "O" in this comment and I want to change the word "time" by "life". easy: 3ft cw life. 3ft takes me to the 3rd "t", cw (change word) and then I type "life" :) — you can use ";" and ',' to repeat the F, and t - directeur
come on! It's your turn, now :) - directeur
Oh and visual block selection rocks! try it. Ctrl-v and move to the right and to the bottom. Then do something on the first line, it will automatically be applied to the selected ones! Here's a nice tuto: http://tuxtraining.com/2009... - directeur
I really love the block movement. have the cursor on a { or ( and hiting the % character will take you to the matching bracket or (. - Wizetux
And the best thing I ever did was to incorporate VIM into Visual Studio, so I can hit a key sequence, and the currently open file in VS would be opened in VIM, and then, when closing VIM, the file would be reloaded immediately in VS. - Wizetux
Wizetux, yes, I forgot about the % key. Very handy! I don't have to use Visual Studio myself, but like you, I won't be able to code without vim :) —I got it under my skin - directeur
wil wheaton
OK, I think that's enough #UHF from me. For now. I think we should all thank @alyankovic for making one of the funniest movies, ever.
LANjackal
Prius promotion plants giant solar flowers with free electricity, WiFi in cities - http://www.autoblog.com/2009...
Prius promotion plants giant solar flowers with free electricity, WiFi in cities
Prius promotion plants giant solar flowers with free electricity, WiFi in cities
"According to Toyota, these so-called solar flowers represent the Prius theme of "Harmony between Man, Nature, and Machine." Apparently, they achieve this by providing seating for up to ten people and by featuring laptop and cell phone recharging stations and access to free wireless internet service. Understandably, there's probably not quite enough juice from the petal-shaped solar panels to provide all the necessary energy for those ten people, so we're guessing there are some high-powered batteries involved in there somewhere." - LANjackal from Bookmarklet
Anthony Citrano
[Spec] Sprite Oral Sex Ad Banned In Germany | Huffington Post - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009...
[Spec] Sprite Oral Sex Ad Banned In Germany | Huffington Post
When the Germans won't run it, that's when you know you've gone too far. - Anthony Citrano from Bookmarklet
Rofl - Geoff Schultz
that's pretty f'ing hot for a sprite commercial. i can't believe they actually tried to slip this into any countries commercial rotation. damn. now i want to buy that girl a sprite. - Morgan Haley
Classy. - Derrick
aspirational in more than one way. - Anthony Citrano
Are you fucking kidding me? - Matthew DeVries
Steven Perez
Oh helz yeah! - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF) from iPod
er - where is David Boreanaz? - WorldofHiglet
Probably in the Beautiful Men Room. :) - Steven Perez
...but why isn't he in your feed, giving me the glad eye? - WorldofHiglet
One thing at a time, Slayer. :D - Steven Perez
Just thinking of her and a flute... I'll be in my bunk... - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF) from iPod
MY jaw dropped with her band camp flute story. - Joey Gibson
Beautiful, funny. The whole package. - Tendonitis' Bitch
Really not a fan. I've never understood the appeal. At all. - Jason Huebel
She was hilarious on VERONICA MARS. - Steven Perez
I heart Alyson! - Sam Chupp
I think someone doesn't like Anya (Emma Caulfield). - Ladybug Heather
The Onion did a podcast on this woman. Very funny. - David Damore
Here is the post and link "FCC Okays Nudity On TV If It’s Alyson Hannigan" http://www.theonion.com/content... - David Damore
The FCC guy in the video from the post above is just creepy...was that for real? - Lee
Shey, Jamaican of FF
Oh hallelujah! YouTube Will Be Next To Kiss IE6 Support Goodbye #webdesign #browsers - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Oh hallelujah! YouTube Will Be Next To Kiss IE6 Support Goodbye #webdesign #browsers
Judging by this screenshot taken by an IE6 user who was watching some videos on YouTube, it appears the Google company will be phasing out support for the browser shortly. I don’t have Internet Explorer 6 installed on my computer, so I can’t verify this first hand, but illogical it seems not and a simple Twitter search shows multiple people confirming the news. Heck, some are even downright ecstatic over the news. - Shey, Jamaican of FF from Bookmarklet
What!?!? You mean that I won't be able to watch my videos with my Netscape Navigator Gold any more. That is bull shit! If I can still see google with it, every web site should support it. - Wizetux
Although we can all debate about watching Youtube at work, I thought I remembered seeing something that said that IE6 still had a very considerable share of the browser market recently, mainly from corporations that didn't want to bother upgrading to IE7/8. I wonder if this will spur any of them to upgrade. :) - Bryan Zirkel
That's probably very true Bryan. And it probably won't make a difference since it's hard to present a business case for why you should be allowed to watch Youtube videos at work. :P - Shey, Jamaican of FF
I was about to say the same, Shey ... IE6-bound IT admins will probably rejoice at this news since for all practical purposes YouTube will be blocking itself - LANjackal
these are situations that call for about 10 like buttons. liking once just isn't sufficient. - chrisofspades
Long live IE6. Wait, no, scratch that. - Sparky, a big deal
They should throw in IE7 while they're at it - Cassidy
@Cassidy Yup - Shey, Jamaican of FF
One of my Federal govt clients (actually most of my govt clients) have their standard PC images locked down to ONLY include IE6 (security flaws and all). Not to worry, since YouTube is blocked as is most social media. - derikp
Zee.
A half pound duck and pork patty, cheddar cheese, seven pieces of maple bacon, sauteed onions and zillion island sauce on a kaiser roll. - http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/post...
A half pound duck and pork patty, cheddar cheese, seven pieces of maple bacon, sauteed onions and zillion island sauce on a kaiser roll.
egads - Imabug
too much - Derrick
Sounds tasty...to split with three other people! - CAJ, somewhere else
Oh noes. But oh yes. But oh noes. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I'll take 3! - Simon Wicks
Could I get that with side salad (fat free dressing, of course) and an ice tea sweetened with a couple packs of Equal please. - Mark Jepsen
scrumptious. - Berge Gazen
wil wheaton
Splitting your article up across multiple pages, 500 words at a time, to increase page views, makes Homer something something.
Makes Geoff stop reading after the first 500 words and create a synapse dedicated to remembering that your site sucks. - Geoff Schultz
Go crazy? - Wizetux
wish there was a "view all on 1 page" button - clarke thomas
If I had enough focus to write 500 words on any one topic... - Brian Johns
i find the 'print' view often shows it all on one page... - Ken Gidley
Gabe Rivera
Wow, Google Reader already supports PubSubHubbub. Their demo shows new posts instantly hitting Google Reader. #crunchup
This is a prototype right now. More to come! -- Just to be clear. - Brett Slatkin
Zee.
Bill Romanos
A Lightning Bolt Hits Water, So Close You Can See Its Streamers | Astroengine.com - http://www.astroengine.com/...
A Lightning Bolt Hits Water, So Close You Can See Its Streamers | Astroengine.com
A Lightning Bolt Hits Water, So Close You Can See Its Streamers | Astroengine.com
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If this was a Michael Bay movie, that part of the ocean would have exploded. - vijay
LANjackal
"In a post to the Chrome blog Wednesday afternoon, Google vice president of product management Sundar Pichai said the company is working with a variety of PC and chipmakers, and another software company. Those include: Acer, Adobe, Asus, Freescale, Hewlett-Packard, Lenovo, Qualcomm, and Texas Instruments." - LANjackal from Bookmarklet
are there any screen shots of the OS yet? - Wizetux
Yes their are, just look at Google Chrome, that's the OS that we will see in the 2nd half of 2010. - Zachary TG
uhm, then I am confused. Chrome currently doesn't handle extensions well, how will it handle Virtual memory, process queues, inter-process communication, scheduling, drivers, and user interface? You know, those thing that separate an OS from just a normal application. - Wizetux
So in other words, Linux with just Chrome running on it. How is this so revolutionary? *Edit* well, besides Chrome running on Linux. - Wizetux
I'm really loving your questions, 'tux. Keep 'em coming :) I've been wondering the same since morning and scratching my head at all the OMG articles I've seen - LANjackal from IM
LOL, Lanjackal. I liked this just for that comment. - Wizetux
:) - LANjackal from IM
Hmm, I'm puzzled. Why are they calling the "Operating System" (to use the term very loosely) "Chrome" as well? I bet that'd create even more confusion against the clueless "my cupholder won't open any more" types... - Tyson Key
Or at least a stupid amount of brand dilution, not that "Chrome" is that strong right now, anyway... - Tyson Key
Apparently you missed the memo on this year's Useless Tech Buzzphrase: "The Browser is the OS" *sarcasm* *rolls eyes* Hence the same name for the OS & Browser - LANjackal from IM
Haha. I just thought of something "revolutionary" - an "OS" that boots directly into Lynx (a text-mode web browser). That'll teach 'em. ;) - Tyson Key
Even better, assuming that LynuxWorks don't sue, I could call *that* Lynx too. Next up - an "OS" named EMACS. ;) - Tyson Key
Out of interest, how would people deal with all the configuration necessary to connect to their Internet access method of choice? Pixie dust and automagic? I doubt it, unless there's some sort of lightweight web server containing a HTML and JavaScript-based configuration utility to deal with stuff like configuring WEP or WPA keys/passphrases and IP addresses and things... - Tyson Key
I think Google wants everything to be written in HTML 5, which will then access the underlying architecture using their Native Client tech. IMO using HTML* as a one-size-fits-all solution as Google is proposing is a poor idea, but I think that's where they're headed - LANjackal from IM
Building every "application" in HTML, even for local use? One ugly, slow clunkfest that'd probably end up even more insecure than we have now. Imagine trying to use an "application" for scanning images, 3D modelling, watching TV using a DVB-T device, or sending files using Bluetooth. I don't think I'd want to... - Tyson Key
Just for the laugh, would anyone want to use Mathematica, Wireshark, Skype, Eclipse or even iTunes if they were "HTML applications"? Even Flash or Java probably couldn't produce a useful result, and Eclipse just so happens to be mostly Java-based... - Tyson Key
I do way to much in the BASH shell to handle a fully browser based OS. That, and I doubt that they would port VIM to it as well. - Wizetux
I honestly don't think Google Chrome OS is targeting general use computing. You're not going to be editing videos, photoshopping LOLcats, or playing World of Warcraft on it. Are you really going to do any of that stuff on a netbook running Windows 7, either, anyway? - Victor Ganata
Google supposedly had some 3D rendering demo in HTML5 at i/o IIRC. Emphasis on the demo part. But I'm definitely in agreement with iTunes et al coded in HTML5 as being a nighmare - LANjackal from IM
@Victor: I do photoshop (GIMP), Visual Studio code dev, GVIM editing, and *of course* FriendFeed on my Acer Aspire One. - Wizetux
@Wizetux: heh, I suspect you won't like Google Chrome OS, then. You do all of that on a 9 inch screen?!? - Victor Ganata
Freescale, huh? Does that mean there's hope that Google will eventually try to get things running on PPC-based architecture? - Victor Ganata
What would the point of that be? No PC/netbook devices currently use PPC, and AFAIK IBM hasn't developed a CPU for the mobile market anyway - LANjackal from IM
No point, really, but then why are they working with Freescale? - Victor Ganata
Native Client supports direct code execution, allowing programs such as GIMP or Photoshop to run within a browser. - Mike Chelen
@Victor: Sorry if it sounded like I was questioning you ... I was just asking in general, lol - LANjackal from IM
@LANjackal: No, no, it sounded off the wall to me too when I saw it. - Victor Ganata
@Mike: Do those programs have to be written in HTML 5, or can they be written in any language? - LANjackal from IM
Hmm, does anyone know what's happening with MIPS these days? Other than Sony using their architecture in a few products (the PlayStation 1, 2 and Portable), and some ADSL chipset manufacturers clinging on to their architecture (I think Atheros and Broadcom still use it), there doesn't seem to be much happening... I'm sure we'll see something out of China netbook-wise, soon though using it. - Tyson Key
Still, I'd like to try it, to see how it'd compare with the SplashTop offering (although that's a little more diverse in it's aims) and JoliCloud. - Tyson Key
LANjackal, NaCl goes beyond the capabilities of HTML 5 by supporting C code which is compiled - Mike Chelen
Thanks Mike, I guess that puts some of my HTML5 argument to rest. The picture's becoming clearer now. Still I can't shake the feeling that this is just a Flavor of the Week OS, kinda like Moblin/Jolicloud/SplashTop/etc the list of OMGthisisgreat that make headlines for a week and then vanish is getting pretty long - LANjackal from IM
LANjackal, it depends how well NaCl is received by developers, and what kind of user experience Google can deliver. it's promising because they have a good track record with software development, and the other OS, Android, has turned out alright. it seems strange though that there will be two different Google OS, since it seems as though browser based and lightweight software are both targeted to the same group of netbooks and mobile devices - Mike Chelen
Yeah, Mike, that does seem weird that it looks like they're competing with themselves, but I guess they're intent on keeping phones/PDAs completely separate from netbooks? - Victor Ganata
Will there be some sort of cross-over with Android? I have a feeling that someone (if not Google) will get Dalvik and the rest of the stack running on this, for what it's worth. Still, at least they have Chrome/WebKit, so there's something in common there. - Tyson Key
You guys' guess is as good as mine. Given the existence of Android and all, I'm just confused as hell as to where exactly Chrome OS is supposed to fit. Can anyone tell me if Google had any official netbook partners for Android? Emphasis on *official* - LANjackal from IM
Alix Whitmire
How Midwesterners see the U.S. « GraphJam: Music and Pop Culture in Charts and Graphs. Let us explain them. - http://graphjam.com/2009...
How Midwesterners see the U.S. « GraphJam: Music and Pop Culture in Charts and Graphs. Let us explain them.
That is frighteningly accurate. - Steven Perez
I'm not old! *wails* - Alix Whitmire
Oh, wait, I am... nm. - Alix Whitmire
Except that Indiana and Wisconsin should be "just plain loony". [/Chicago-born] - Steven Perez from IM
this may explain my problem I'm a left wing loon ( frm NJ) living in the Midwest (; - Kim Landwehr from BuddyFeed
wait, i live in Texas and am so far left that i'm falling off the chart. how does this explain that? - Joe Silence is not dead
Read the title. :D - Steven Perez from IM
my dad is from Kansas, tho. - Joe Silence is not dead
My head is now spinning. - Alex Scoble
And I am originally from Chicago, and I can tell you that this is EXACTLY how people from the Upper Midwest view everyone else. - Steven Perez from IM
*sulks in a corner* - Alix Whitmire
Imagine how I feel. I used to live in Texas. It took me years to convince my extended family back in Chicago that I didn't have a ranch. - Steven Perez
my inlaws from Malaysia came to visit us in 2002 and were shocked that no one was on horseback and i didn't wear 6-shooters or a cowboy hat to my IT job in a refrigerated data center on the 36th floor of a skyscraper in downtown Fort Worth. also, we definitely did NOT live on an 800 acre ranch loaded with cattle. apparently my lack of booze and cocaine consumption was also a shocker. - Joe Silence is not dead
yes, we am not. - Joe Silence is not dead
i met my wife in New Zealand, but i left plenty of good stuff behind there. if we ever get wealthy we're selling everything and moving back. - Joe Silence is not dead
And when I think of midwesterners i think of Chicago, and then a whole lot of empty space between california and new york. :) - Steve C
I'm not normal, either. Nor am I this dense. meh. - Kamilah Gill
Johnny Worthington
Do you posses 'Mad Skillz'?
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Mad Skillz. I haz them. - Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Yes, I can argue as if to be a zen wall like none other. - Alex Scoble
No you can't. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
My skillz, they are mad. >_< - Tanath
Mark...you really should know better than to try me. - Alex Scoble
I just have semi Insane skillz - does that count? - Brent - Long Live Rock
My skillz don't get mad....they get even :p - Neal Jansons
Mine are more - slightly annoyed skillz - Steve C
my skillz are rather mellow thanks to the chocolate i just had, now to wash hand... - Grant Bierman
Mad skilz, I haz dem. Nothing legal and/or monetizable, mind you... - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
LOL, yeah, Mark has the Facebook gaming skillz apparently. ;) - Alex Scoble
I have Skillz at being MAD! - CW™
I have Happy Skillz! - Adrian
No, but I had "Mod Skills" once but they revoked them when I squelched everyone but me and the cute ladies. - Geoff Schultz
I misplaced mine, and can't find them. I guess I'll have to just get some new ones. - Jimminy
Skillz so mad, u failz to comprehend. - Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
i have emotionally unbalanced skillz. - Joe Silence is not dead
Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Hand crafting some nifty new XHTML in PSPad. I'm done with POS WYSIWYG editors, even if its just for a novelty site.
ps - I'm doing it all from my new Eee 1005HA. So far, I'm LOVING the new keyboard design/layout. Can actually type without looking at the keys. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
What, no squarespace web page editing for you? - Wizetux
I'd rather pico | vi | emacs - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Drupal FTW! 'Nuff said. - Tyson Key
How's the trackpad on the 1005HA? - Larry Hudson
@Larry - I'm loving it. Super smooth, accurate. Tonight is my first extended "session" with the 1005HA. Typing on it is a pleasure compared to my older 1000HE. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
I have never.... and this time span stretches back to somewhere in the 1994 timeframe.... used anything but a text editor while doing HTML coding. - Wirehead
Emacs. *runs* - mjc
LANjackal
"What can you expect when you get your new Windows 7 install working with those crisp new solid state hard drives?" - LANjackal from Bookmarklet
LANjackal
Windows 7 versus Snow Leopard: How much do upgrades really cost? - http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott...
Windows 7 versus Snow Leopard: How much do upgrades really cost?
"According to Microsoft, roughly 90% of Windows users purchase the operating system preinstalled with a new PC. And if you ignore the Hackintosh crowd, 100% of Mac owners purchase OS X with a new Mac. Any PC purchased with Windows XP or Windows Vista since October 2001 qualifies for a discounted upgrade to Windows 7, for a price as low as $50. But only a select group of Mac owners qualify for those $29 upgrades. A large number will have to pay $169 for the privilege of installing Snow Leopard, and another large group of Apple customers won’t be able to install Snow Leopard at all." - LANjackal from Bookmarklet
100% of Mac owners purchase OS X with a new Mac? What kind of voodoo is this? - Bwana ☠
@bwana: Because OS X runs (legally) on Apple hardware only, if you run OS X your 99% guaranteed to have bought a Mac, which has the price of the OS built-in - LANjackal from IM
So those people who bought a new Mac and then bought an OS X upgrade are imaginary? - Bwana ☠
It is possible to miss the qualification date for a free upgrade to Snow Leopard... which means you buy a new Mac and then pay $29 for the upgrade - Bwana ☠
Wow, since 2001. Microsoft really wants to retire XP, and get everyone over to Windows 7. It should would be a move in the direction of less malware and viruses in the PC world. - Wizetux
Not to mention Mac owners who buy from other outlets than Apple - Bwana ☠
100% is not accurate - Bwana ☠
People forget about Apple resellers... that's ok... just remove that 100% - Bwana ☠
@Bwana: What are you getting at? Once you buy any Mac, you're automatically paying for the OS that comes with it. It's built into the price of the machine even though you don't pay for it separately. The same is true for any Windows machine you buy - LANjackal
Macsales.com Buy a new Mac... and tell them you have your own version of Leopard - Bwana ☠
@Bwana: so 100% just became 99.99%. Thanks for the update - LANjackal
All machines should come devoid of software. - Will Higgins™
No problem :) So the gist of this article is that Microsoft extended their upgrade prices back two version of Windows, while Apple did one. I think it's more of Microsoft taking an extra step than Apple trying to mislead (which seems to be the tone of the article) Vista has a rough history and I think this is why Microsoft is doing this. - Bwana ☠
@Will: Tell that to the sorority girl who just wants a laptop that she'll have to install the OS herself. Yeah, that's gonna work *sarcasm* - LANjackal from IM
I'm not convinced that anyone who hasn't already upgraded to Leopard is going to bother upgrading to Snow Leopard. And most people still using Tiger probably have PPC machines anyway. I think the pricing just goes to show how Apple doesn't really make their money by selling software, but they really want developers to be up to date. - Victor Ganata
@bwana: Whichever it is, the effect is the same - LANjackal from IM
@LANJack she should learn how to install an operating system. Everyone should. At a very young age. Computer Literacy is becoming more and more important. Instruction Manuals ftw. - Will Higgins™
What effect is that? I'm not sure this article is stating anything useful - Bwana ☠
@Will: That's like saying everyone should know how to peform an engine overhaul on their car. Yeah, of course. Tech doesn't have to be complex or difficult by definition (actually the realization of this fact is one of the reasons for Apple's success) - LANjackal from IM
@Bwana: the point is that if you want to use the latest version of either OS, in most cases it'll be cheaper on the Windows side. That is all. It's not asking you to switch. It's a simple $ comparison - LANjackal
A Vista user pays $50 and a Leopard user pays $29 by your statement. Both are the latest OS's... - Bwana ☠
XP users get the best deal IMHO... - Bwana ☠
This would be why I said in "most" cases. 3/4 of the scenarios have a Windows upgrade being the same or cheaper than an OS X upgrade - LANjackal
@LAN, Engines are much more difficult to maintain then computers, and they're only designed to be serviced by trained technicians. Computer skills are learning skills, job skills. I get that all the companies want to sell everyone and their dog computers. - Will Higgins™
I think that effect is minimal... that's my opinion. I think the author of this article is trying to make it a bigger deal than what it is. - Bwana ☠
But my point is that you have to take into account who is actually going to upgrade. I think the likely scenarios are that Mac users are either going to just shell out $29 because they qualify, stick to Tiger or Leopard because they're on a PPC anyway, or they're just going to buy a new Mac. And didn't a lot of people who bought an Intel machine running Tiger qualify for the upgrade price for Leopard anyway? So the $169 total price is misleading. - Victor Ganata
Too many assumptions, too many variations, too many factors.... this article is reaching to to make an already obvious point. Windows users have cheaper options. The way he goes about it is a stab at Apple to bait Microsoft into dropping their prices which I find to be severely reaching - Bwana ☠
@Bwana: So you don't think Apple would pull a pricing move since they you know ... *compete* against MS? I'm not saying this is earth shattering news, but I highly doubt pricing decisions on either side were made without considerating the competition - LANjackal from IM
Not in the light that author has made it. That's my point. He's taken obvious facts and built this strawman argument against Apple which really doesn't make sense or amount to anything. Every company takes competition into consideration, but not like the world Ed Bott has created. - Bwana ☠
@Bwana: Subjective argument, won't take you up on that one. All I'll do is point to the numbers. Draw your own conclusions - LANjackal from IM
"Apple’s $29 pricing decision is a clever one. They’re counting on gullible reporters and analysts to make oversimplified comparisons with Windows 7, and they’re hoping to goad Ballmer and Company into reacting with a slashed price of their own. If Microsoft is smart, they won’t take the bait." <-- that is Ed's world - Bwana ☠
@Bwana: I seem to recall Apple bashing Windows 7 @ WWDC. Why wouldn't they also deliberately price Snow Leopard accordingly? Apple are master's at PR, marketing and media manipulation, a game that MS is really very late to. Cupertino has always been about clever marketing - LANjackal
Snow Leopard directly competing against Windows 7 doesn't make much sense since you can't migrate from Windows to Snow Leopard, and it seems unlikely that Apple is specifically targeting the small population who run only Windows on their Macbooks. The idea would only really make sense if Apple made their money selling software, not hardware. - Victor Ganata
@Victor: So there's no competition between the OSes? That's a new one. Awesome continue - LANjackal
No, the real competition is between hardware. Apple doesn't really lose any money if you decided to buy a Macbook and install Windows 7 on it, or even Linux. - Victor Ganata
@Victor: Wouldn't that mean there's no competition at all, since Macs are practically PCs in terms of hardware nowadays? "No competition" would render just about all OS discussion moot. - LANjackal from IM
@Bwana: ?what? qualification date? ["it is possible to miss the qualification date for a free upgrade to Snow Leopard"]. @all: the smaller the amount at stake, the more heated the debate ;-)) - ianf ⌘
I don't buy Ed's speculation in this case. Like I said, he's taking a bunch of obvious things and building this weird argument. It's all pointless roundabouts. Apple and Microsoft bash each other all time. Again, what else is new? - Bwana ☠
Clearly the article completely misunderstands the market differences between Apple OSX and MS Windows and the reception of Vista vs the reception of Leopard by their respective potential users. - mikepk
The ad people are having great fun with the Mac vs PC debate, but I'm not sure it really captures the reality of the market. I don't think people really decide between Apple and Microsoft. They decide between Apple, Dell, HP, Sony, Asus, Acer, etc. Even the recent Microsoft ads actually reflect that. It's the hardware, first. - Victor Ganata
Tim O'Reilly
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Brad Williamson
"Bloomberg reports that for the recently concluded TV season, for the first time, ads presented during shows like The Simpsons and CSI are getting higher ad rates online than they are on TV. Citing a recent report from Sanford C. Bernstein analyst Michael Nathanson, Bloomberg writes that The Simpsons got a $60 CPM on Hulu. A typical prime-time ad on television carries a $20-$40 CPM." - Brad Williamson from Bookmarklet
The headline, however, is misleading and factually wrong. The article clearly shows that the ads cost more on Hulu because there are less of them, not because they are online -- supply and demand works, maybe broadcasters could learn a thing or two: Hulu runs four ads per episode, about 1/4th of what Fox runs. They also make less money per-thousand-viewers, something like $100 LESS since they can charge more, but they sell less ads. - Joel Bennett
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