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Obama Pushes for $50 Billion for Automakers, Oversight Czar - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008...
Daniel Rowley, sofarsoShawn, J. D. Ebberly and 7 other people liked this
If we give automakers a bailout I want something MAJOR in return. Like 40% electric by 2012.
- Robert Scoble
The automakers will agree to any strings attached to a bailout. After they cash the check they will have the funds to pay their lobbyists to find a way to justify weaseling out of such an agreement.
- scott anderson
@ScottAnderson Nice, hadn't thought about that weasly li'l loophole. Will be interesting to see how much Obama's rhetoric of no-lobbyist-in-my-administration is true. The world would be a better place without these unscrupulous greedy lawyers and PR spin gurus.
- Adam
Agreed Robert.
- David Cook
+1 Robert
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Ludicrous. Give them a loan, fine. Iacocca did it and did well, but don't bail them out!
- Mattb4rd
ditto: after making the obscenely large SUVs that put them in that position today
- sofarsoShawn
Silly. Run your business badly, get bailed out: there's a bad theme here. Agree with the "give us electric by 2012 in return" or some other major change in clean propulsion technology. And stop making cars that can house a cow herd with room for the bull and start making sense.
- Henk de Kruyff
With all of these industries asking for a bailout from debt, I wonder how long it will take for American citizens to demand their bailout from this downturn. If this money is going to change hands for auto makers then we need some incentive from them that they are making a serious effort to try and drive America from it's current oil dependence.
- Bryan
Detroit doesn't deserve to be bailed out. In the long term, I doubt they are going to survive against overseas competition anyway. Instead, why not invest the money in new technologies to get us off our dependence on foreign oil? Electric/hybrid cars, fuel cells, mass transit, etc.
- wrecks
I am not at all into bailing companies out. Once you use the government to prevent failure you are killing the necessary darwinian pressure capitalism counts on. Ont he other side, what government CAN do is remove the current laws forcing the car companies to be at the mercy of their unions in many states. It does put them at a disadvantage.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
I also don't like the idea of the government bailing them out but attaching big strings. The last thing we need is the government intimately involved int he day to day operations of major industries. If the govt wants to offer incentives to develop otherwise not economically attractive technologies, fine... the companies will either re-organize to win the incentive or they will fail. The last thing we need is a de-facto nationalized auto industry.
- Soulhuntre
this morning i was thinking what about the retirees of these auto companies. so not only would their employees and the companies that do biz with them be in trouble but folks who worked for years would be screwed if they go belly up.
- R. Ferguson
but then again i heard on NPR yesterday that the foreign car makers based in the US is doing fine.
- R. Ferguson
USA today increasinglky reminds me of UK in the 1970s. We spent millions over 20 years in successive bail-outs for no-hope car manufacturer British Leyland because no-one could face the truth that they were a lost cause. The end result was just the same -- they went bankrupt after 20 years -- people still didn't want to buy what they built.
- Tim Ostler
It sucks, but bad companies who make stupid decisions need to go out of business. That's the only way we all win in the long run.
- David Risley
I think the big lie here is that this is a "bail out". What it is is a temporary stay of execution
- Brian Sullivan
There is a case for assisting the automakers. But, like Robert says, some hefty strings are going to be attached. Electric to normal is one stick. But the re-hiring of auto workers would do wonders. The government needs to do more to encorage people to buy american. That's what's going to really help GM and Ford and the rest.
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto: the government can't convince people of that. Wrong goal. The right goal is to make the US Auto industry the most innovative again. Do that and the consumers will buy again. I know I would. I just drove a brand new Ford Flex. Awesome car except it got 17 MPG. Turn that electric and I'd buy one tomorrow (if priced reasonably).
- Robert Scoble
Well, yeah Robert. Thats the only way to do that. But the foreign car companies that will undercut even the most innovative electric ford force consumers to look at alternatives. I'm Not saying that the US should go all protectionist, but economic health and stability is a national security issue.
- Roberto Bonini
GM cost to manufacture $78 per hour, Toyota in US, $43. One is failing, one is not.
- Robert Hafer
What if GM went into a bankruptcy to reorganize, shed itself of retiree pensions/healthcare ($1200 per car), union mandated employment rules and compensatiion levels. Would GM become a lean, effective company, building consumer-driven products, or would GM continue to build lackluster crap but sell them cheaper?
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Roberto: The *only* way any auto company "bail out" is going to save any American auto company is to immediately impose tariffs and barriers to foreign cars and car companies and effectively force Americans to buy inferior product. Doing that would have a whole set of new consequences. All the "bail out" will do is delay GM. Ford and Chrysler death by a year or so. It will allow the companies to "put their affairs in order" as the euphemism goes.
- Brian Sullivan
Electric-Powered Future Two Years Away? - very interesting article - http://tinyurl.com/6jb2dw - the main issue is of course getting all the stakeholders to "invest".
- SnakeDoc
@Robert hafer: let's look at the difference between toyota and gm and what they pay labor wise per car and that would be a large part of the difference in the cost
- Jonathan Jesse
It would have serious reprecussions, yes. But letting them go under also does. At what point do we draw he line? Do we let hundreds of thousands of people lose their jobs? And , BTW, make things worse in the wider economy in terms to machine tools, steel, rubber, etc. It's a choice to two evils. And it is impossible to think that globalization can be reversed.
- Roberto Bonini
The elephant in the room: The world needs a Global, Financial Reset but no one is brave enough to push the big, red button...
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Roberto - these thousands of people are going to lose their jobs regardless -- all the bail out could do is give them time to prepare
- Brian Sullivan
A discussion on American cars vs. foreign cars and US auto industry bailout should also address the "inner layers" - here is an example - the Chevrolet Equinox, which is assembled in Ontario, has an engine made in China and a transmission from Japan, which brings its domestic content down to 55 percent. The Chrysler PT Cruiser is assembled in Mexico, has a Mexican-made engine and only 37 percent domestic content.... there are scores of other examples....
- SnakeDoc
For a while the Toyota Camry was the top of the list of domestic content. 97%. Ford F150's are assembled in Mexico. Then there is the NUMI assenbly plant that is a joint venture between Toyota and GM...
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
It really won't matter if the government bails out the auto industry or not, because the US population will not have the money to buy the new products. This money needs to go to the US population so that they can start putting more back into the economy.
- Wizetux
I would rather see the consumers helped in a more meaningful way now and rather morph away from auto dependence. We need to look to office virtualization expansion now that we have the collaborative (video and audio) technology to do that. When we can minimize the amount of travel, this helps minimize a number of parallel and tangential problems we face now. Our families should be our main concern right now. We are falling behind in that area in America.
- Melanie Reed
One of the many advantages we have yet to tap its full potential with technology is to reverse the trend of putting the concern of business over that of family. There is much more to be said on the intangible infrastructure damage to our society this has caused but there is not enough space for that here.
- Melanie Reed
how about 100% electric fleet by 2018
- Erik Weese
Yeah, 100% at least by 2018. We need an Apollo project type approach. I want to be able to buy electric for my next car. In my lifetime.
- Rolf Schewe
How about a car purchase tax credit? That way maybe I could afford a car. A subsidy for the wealthy leaves me without a car.
- Chuck Baggett
chuck there is a car purchase tax credit if bought B4 end of the year.
- R. Ferguson
How long will it take Facebook to copy new friendfeed? Your guesses due by Sunday night here:
Ho John Lee, Alfredo, Aram Zucker-Scharff and 28 other people liked this
I think we'd need to know what the heck "new friendfeed" is first, Robert!
- Brian Partridge
Which "new" part are you referring to?
- Daniel Miessler
About as long as it takes to screw as they have... ???
- stephen pieraldi
~ 2 months I'd say
- Glenn Slaven
What's new about FriendFeed?
- wrecks
Ok I'll bite: 3 months. The have to see them, have some meetings to see what works, develop the changes and put together a rollout plan.
- Peter Kelley
Without knowing anything...3 weeks.
- Daniel Miessler
All depends how long it takes Zuckerberg to realise someone other than him had a good idea ;)
- Glenn Slaven
about as long as it takes them to debug the code and get the beta out the door
- Karl Kovacs
I too would like to see the *new* part of friendfeed
- Amy Flynn
It's already begun. Without seeing the most compelling features of the new Friendfeed, I'm guessing Facebook will try roll out changes within 6 months.
- Mo Kargas
Brian: :-) Daniel: all of friendfeed beta is new. We will talk on Monday. This is like gambling. Gotta guess before you see it.
- Robert Scoble
But, even blind.. here's my guess: 3 weeks, 1 day, 6 hours and 21 minutes. (Seconds are a little difficult to pin down!!!)
- Amy Flynn
They already have. Just waiting for the Twitter reaction to be forgotten before its released.
- Glenn Edley
I'll put a guess in for... 5 months. Look how long it took for them to be Twitter-like. If the new friendfeed is truly a huge shift with amazing features, then it would probably take more than a simple tweak for Facebook to change and "catch up". And they just released that huge update, so it won't be quick.
- Brian Partridge
I refuse to be drawn into this bulldust hyping teasing nonsense. :-)
- Dominic Jones
It only takes a 1m 27s for copying to commence http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Micah Wittman
In 4.5 months they'll have something, but as with Like/Hide, it will be incomplete. It will be just enough to make Facebook users who look at FriendFeed think they've seen the features already.
- Bruce Lewis
Welcome to Facefeed.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
In a couple of months they'll start copying things.
- Brandon Titus
Way too long
- Andrew
I'll go contrary and say Facebook will NOT copy the new FriendFeed. :)
- Louis Gray
2 months, 3 weeks, 4 days, 6 hours and 23 minutes. I'd guess the seconds but that would be a little absurd.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Louis, I think that you just doubled the tease!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
4 months.
- Alp
If we're talking about copying, can someone tell me what new features actually haven't been done anywhere before? The whole of the internet industry is based on copying features of competitors - there are very, very few ideas which are new. FriendFeed, for example, copied quite a bit from Jaiku in the first place.
- Ian Betteridge
How long will it take Facebook to remove the 'new friendfeed' features due to user complaints?
- Matyjas
10-12 months.
- John Craft
I think, they started after this post :)
- Ömer Faruk Kurt
get inspired not copy
- Jayavasanthan J
It's going to take a few months for the signal from the dinosaur eyes to reach the small Facebook brain and then instruct the feet.
- Ernie Oporto
from Nambu
Ha ha, I'm Ernie on his prediction.
- Dread Pirate PJ
No question that Facebook will eventually copy something from Friendfeeds new UI. Just look at the past year of Facebook changes.
- Kevin Whalen
depends how awesome it is.. they cant copy it now - their user base is adverse to change and they just did a big overhaul.. cant wait!
- andy brudtkuhl
They haven't managed to copy the current FF experience yet, so I say - forever. :)
- Meryn Stol
Also, if the FF team in fact (as it seems like now from the latest reporting) did realize that not only they have an edge in technology/infrastructure, but also in terms of UI, and they are really "running" now, it won't even be a fair game anymore. All that's limiting FriendFeed is their own imagination and possibly their ability to get more VC fast enough. But I was already saying that a year ago or so.
- Meryn Stol
July 25th 'cause that's my birthday.
- Tac Anderson
A lively feed? More than 4 months.
- Tim Tyler
Lock Picking (THIS IS INSANE!!) - http://www.metacafe.com/watch...
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Paul Grav, James, netrider11 and 57 other people liked this
that's just cool man!
- frank barry
Now what am I going to do with all those bic pens?
- Troy Forster
from twhirl
So that's why lock-picking tools are illegal.
- wrecks
This guy picks 7 locks in just under 2 minutes!
- Joe Bland
OMG, alarming oO
- Dennis R.
looks like I could do that too
- esther ♥ ♫
Heheh, and after picking the locks he's faced with a very large hound looking him straight in the eyes and a terrier jumping for his b$lls... Somehow I think the locks are the least of his worries.
- Henk de Kruyff
from twhirl
Lock picking tools are illegal?? What about crowbars and bolt cutters?
- Paul Grav
All burglary tools are illegal. If they think you are carrying crowbars and bolt cutters to break in somewhere, they can arrest you. Of course, there are legitimate purposes for those tools, too. Lock picks are just for picking locks, so you better have a really good reason for carrying them if caught (e.g., you are a locksmith).
- Brian Hawthorne
lockpicking tools are illegal because it's so damn easy to open for expamle a samsonite suitcase or a bicicle lock. - and the guy in the video is really well trained, a newby takes 3 to 5 minutes to open his first lock.
- pm10
I always wanted a set of those tools when I was a kid watching private eyes breaking into bad guys' houses. :)
- Steve Lowe
Carrying bolt cutters is a little more obvious than these few tools. He should throw in a third minute showing the liquid nitrogen trick and the bic-pen bike lock trick.
- Indio Apache
from twhirl
Wow, this makes picking a lock look far too easy... He even picked a combination lock?!?!?!
- Walt Ruppar
Just confirms... locks are for honest people. :-(
- TranceMist
I saw him pick Loch Ness. Now that was effin' wild! Then he picked his nose and that was kinda gross.
- Christopher Harley
this is really pretty appalling to watch. i assume standard dial combo locks are harder to pick. as for the tools, meh. making them illegal is hardly sufficient to protecting users w/ these types of locks.
- MikeAmundsen
Why aren't guns illegal then? It's absurd that lock-picking tools are illegal. Mere possession shouldn't prove you're ready to break the law.
- thepete
The combination lock was the easiest. Under one second. The last one required three tools and was a little more fiddly than the rest, which were all done in a couple seconds. Scary. In other words, you can't really put your trust in locks. Makes you wonder what kind of locks you _can_ trust, if any.
- Rick Cogley
@Rick: first lock was a keyed 'door'-style lock, not a combination lock.
- MikeAmundsen
Do people still use Plaxo?
Daniel Rowley, Fons Tuinstra, Robert Scoble and Sarah Perez liked this
not me!
- Sarah Perez
Yes. Plaxo is experiencing triple digit growth: http://siteanalytics.compete.com/plaxo...
- John McCrea
Not since the purchase
- Richard Gallo
never used it, it kind of looks like facebook
- sofarsoShawn
I had an account on Plaxo. I neglected it, then deleted it. Later, I created a new account, which I am currently neglecting.
- Pat Rice
Plaxo is great for keeping my contact info up-to-date, and for multi-device sync, but I don't use it for actually communicating with my network. I use Twitter, FriendFeed and Facebook for that.
- wrecks
@wrecks, Funny, I saw your comment first in Plaxo (via sync with Twitter). Ironic. :)
- John McCrea
I used it at first, but after I discovered LinkedIn, I really didn't see the point. Maybe I'm missing something.
- Spencer
not anymore - I'm using xing, facebook, twitter, friendfeed instead
- Alexander Benker
Got my themes on in Gmail. Lovin it.
Which one are you using?
- Mike Abundo
from twhirl
Ninja for me.
- wrecks
I went searching for them today and couldn't find them either. Then I logged out and the log out screen reset to a theme and talked about them. I logged back in and again couldn't find them. I gave up.
- Al Stevens
"mountains" theme for me.
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Summer Ocean for me, especially on a gray PNW day.
- Ginger Kenney
Ninja - I like the colors and line angles...my 12 year old daughter prefers Candy, though..
- Tom Mack
my commute next week for #oow08 Is 0.6 miles
http://tinyurl.com/5yc8f8 - http://twitter.com/dhaimes...
Storm looks like it is getting a little smaller, which is good news. Relatives all safe out of harm's way now.
Glad to hear your Big Easy relatives are all safe.
- wrecks
LED Football iPhone App - http://www.ledfootball.com/
Glenn Batuyong, Andrew Perry, Cheryl Jones and 13 other people liked this
What a great idea! The irony of it all is a bonus.
- Paul Reynolds
authenticity matters ... *agree* irony like nostalgia are valued beats fear & envy - arguably less valuable ... except schadenfreud ;-)
- Wes Schadenfreud
Oooooh!!!!!!!
- Jim Goldstein
Excellent!
- Enrique Gutierrez
from twhirl
I just might have to reach into my wallet to pay for that app.
- wrecks
Whoa.. I had that as a kid
- Rodfather
OMG... showed that to Jason and he said "SWEET!" Spot the children who grew up in the 80s.
- Cyndy
Still at my parents place (from one of my younger brothers) , grandkids ( now 15-28) still play with it. Wasn't there a baseball one as well?
- Brian Sullivan
My brother had a football game with a green outer shell. It was more a one player game. This one was for head to head. I remember having a few of those old Nintendo Game & Watch games too. We may have gotten rid of them in a garage sale years ago.
- Rodfather
Coleco games I think? Anybody ever own an "Adam"?
- Brian Sullivan
It is based upon what was re-released as Mattel Classic Football (and the green case was Football II) They even had a keychain version =) also baseball, basketball, and car racing. http://linkfeed.com/am...
- RAD Moose
I was able to revive the iPhone with a hard restore. Wonder how often I'm going to have to do this?
imabonehead, Brad Davis Seal, Steve Rubel and 5 other people liked this
Hopefully not often :-/ I'm looking at getting an iphone this sunday for the first time, but with stories like this i'm mildly reluctant.
- Shaun Bevill
reminds me of my days with my pocket pc. the pretty to look at ipaq 4350. the problem was it'd dump all my data when it crashed and the only way back was a hard restore.
- sean808080
It seems with these smart phones the more apps you install the more unstable they get.
- Steve Helder
from twhirl
A lot of iPhone apps guys are saying v. 2.0 of the software was rushed and that v 2.1 (due very shortly) should be much more stable.
- Andrew Leyden
Never had such problem before 2.0 on my 2G iphone. The thing is jailbroken 1.4 iphone was a lot more stable than current 2.0 one. It rarely crashed and had very little lags. Apple needs to learn from hacking community I guess.
- Inksim
Mine is throwing "No SIM card installed" errors. Going to try a restore but I'm betting I need a replacement...
- Lisa McMillan
before I bought my first Nokia's top-of-th-line smartphone back in 1995 I had thought that Symbian rocks, but it failed me many times including crashing while having phone conversation!
- Pajama Domain
from twhirl
opps I meant 2005 :)
- Pajama Domain
from twhirl
Many people are reporting that a hard restore and starting from scratch fixes the problems. So far so good on my phone.
- Leo Laporte
Karma got you Leo. You told Belmont that your phone was fine when she was bemoaning her iPhone woes.
- Jeff Jones
Too many apps? Also I only had a few hundred MB free. We'll see!
- Leo Laporte
I tweeted back, it sounds like a software refresh coming for the early adopters. Apple shipped too quick without giving them a beating like we would.. hmm blog posting coming
- Chris Miller
I had to do it a couple times with my iPhone 2G. I also had it get into some sort of crazy infinite loop once the screen wouldn't go off and it got blazing hot. I left it on my lap hoping it would catch fire, instructing those around me to have their camera's and lawyers cell numbers readily available.
- Geoff Schultz
Remember when you didnt have to restore phones?
- Will
from Alert Thingy
Not often! oh btw i love twitter in the i check out .. Twitter/pickensplan
- Bearclawcoffee
I'm not keeping count, but it's a lot more with 2.0 software than before. My unreliable impression: it used to be every few months. Now it's every few days. (on first gen HW)
- Michael Markman
I'm having problems with 2G w/ 2.0 that I think are MobileMe related, yesterday push contacts stopped working for awhile, today I'm not getting email
- Robert Hafer
Mine hung this morning as I was trying to power it down. Right after syncing some new apps via tether. Holding down the home and power buttons for a few seconds seemed to reset it. Hope Apple stabilizes this soon.
- wrecks
Logging into MobileMe fixed my problems both times
- Robert Hafer
How is the cpu and speed of the new iphone, is it faster compared to the old one?
- Thomas
It looks like I'm going to have to do it too. I only had four apps on my phone, but my 3G isn't working properly (returning mysterious error messages) and after an hour with tech support and a call to apple the only solution offered is a hard restore.
- Briana Tomkinson
Shaun I think most people having problems were upgrading from 2G iPhones. The 3G is my first and Ive had no problems other than the rare crash
- Paul Reynolds
Leo, I think you are right about upgrading apps via wireless, I just tried and it broke the app. The iPhone switched from wi-fi to edge during update.
- Robert Hafer
I'm leaving on a 10 day trip and mine better not act up while I'm gone from my synching computer!!
- Shayna
from StumbleRead
Cuil shows us how not to launch a search engine - http://news.cnet.com/cuil-sh...
Igor Poltavskiy, Jemm, AJ Kohn and 41 other people liked this
Performance is...well, laughable - http://is.gd/16yX
- Stephen Pierzchala
yeah you can tell why these guys aren't at google anymore
- Chris Harris
Their system setups is interesting. How they index only Sports data on select databases and so on. Also why do they display results in 2/3 columns? It's so hard to follow that
- Bartek Ciszkowski
What amazes me is that we, bloggers, started to hype the search engine based on what the company was willing to share - without even taking it a test run. And now many will have to admit they were too positive when it was not deserved.
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
for real
- Sarah Perez
Svetlana: all it took is for me to do a single search on it for me to see that it just wasn't going to stand up to a deep analysis. I'm very glad I am getting off of the PR treadmill of "keep up with Mashable and Techcrunch and write about everything based on press releases." Why is this on CNN and NPR already? They have a good PR team, that's why. Played!
- Robert Scoble
Not ready for prime time. Great press kills a bad product faster. Apologies to Bill Bernbach.
- Dave Martin
In this day and age, is there really room for a new search engine? I'm all for innovation but the likelihood of someone making a sizeable dent in Google's market share or even challenging Live Search is quite low, no?
- Dave Stevens
Lesson: Don't go for big press until you're ready. One of my VC friends advises people only to go for ~5,000 users in the beginning (so many beginners want traffic, traffic, traffic). Then you can test your product, change the interface, etc... before you get into a "New Coke" and "old Coke" situation. 5,000 is enough to give your product/website a good testing, and avoids this Cuil failure.
- Mitchell Tsai
trying searching Cuil for itself. http://www.cuil.com/search... :)
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
I'm unimpressed by Cuil. It's not how big their index is, it's about how accurate their results are. From my early experiments, I don't get what I'm searching for -- isn't that what a search engine is supposed to do?
- wrecks
I also think that it is early for Cuil to launch, but it is good that some people are trying to create alternatives to Google’s tyranny in search. Without any competition in their core business, Google will eventually become the next Microsoft
- Kerem Ozkan
mmmm... I wonder why so much hype around of _utility_ ? search has been utility for years, yet everyone and his dog into PR for yet-another-search... was it GOOG price on IPO which makes you blind repeaters? try to remember how many startups you've seen recently in major continent-wide utility business, like electricity or water supply? yes, none... oh, yeah, law & rules are not written for bloggers... they can even refuse math and other natural science ;)
- A.T.
Not impressed. While the layout for results is pretty, it doesn't give me any information. Ran a search on my own site - Dad info - and it got the bloody thumbnail wrong :( Dig a little deeper on a search where you know the net landscape well (eg vanity search) and the results are often bizarre - the photos acommpanying the SERPS are irrelevant/random/wierd. Can't help thinking that the next generation of search will be people centric rather than page centric - I can find more interesting stuff on FF.
- Tom Beardshaw
i saw an insert on BBC news today on this, went over to do vanity search just to test, back came some old articles of comments i left last year on tech blogs, now it's unavailable, plus the dark background is awful ;( FAIL!
- Mario Olckers
I got 2 searches in last night - disappointed with results - and then it crashed and 'went down for maintenance' - yeah, not overwhelmingly impressed.
- Lucretia Pruitt
Harsh but somewhat fair criticism. That said no service has ever been perfect when rushed *glares at twitter*
- Mo Kargas
may be
- accesine
Despite other criticism: I like the relaxed feel of the 3-column presentation in Cuil. Cuil, Viewzi, and identi.ca have relaxing and comforting front pages (nice color scheme).
- Mitchell Tsai
@Mitchell - There's something wrong if the best thing 'bout a website is the color scheme
- Yuvi
@Robert: They obviously have a great PR team - making everyone repeat their claims of how great the product is. And I am glad I have decided to wait until it is live and do a search before hyping it myself - I would have felt it was unfair to our readers otherwise.
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
Svetlana: This is what happens when the marketing dept moves faster than the tech dept. Often it's the reverse. Hard to coordinate the two.
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell: True but I feel it is not really lack of coordination and instead it is a deliberate move to get all the positive coverage they can and hope no one will see the problems. After all, as a marketing person myself I don't think they are unable to notice the irrelevant results themselves.
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
Svetlana: Since the "glamor self-search" results work well for university professors and some famous people, I think it's a miscalculation from having too small a test group (since they've been concerned with a stealth launch). They probably didn't test enough middle-level people (e.g. me with only 47,000 pages on Google) to see the problems.
- Mitchell Tsai
Rather than a stealth launch, It seems that in this case a better process would have been (1) alpha-launch, generate buzz by selectively letting in tech bloggers, test their stuff, make bloggers feel good by being in on something early, about 200-500 people (2) private beta-launch, quiet, limited to 5,000 people (3) New York Times launch. - I think their team was too cocky (e.g. we're smarter), not realizing they would shoot themselves in the foot.
- Mitchell Tsai
I went to work this afternoon to get away from the Crewl Cuil conversation. What were the teachers talking about ? Cuil. *sigh*
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Mitchell: Very true, when I read they decided they were ready for everyone on day 1 and decided not to add beta to the logo, I was very excited - finally someone dares to launch a working product from the beginning. And after actually trying it out I could not understand why they chose not to go with private beta the way you describe. It could have potential but it definitely is not ready for prime time yet.
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
If I don't understand the basic idea of a new Web 2.0 site in 10 seconds, is the problem me, or the site?
Daniel Schildt, Dobromir Hadzhiev, Shey, Jamaican of FF and 16 other people liked this
The site!!! I would have to say!!!
- Paul
Well with your knowledge & experience I'd say it's the site. But that is relative to the person it's being explained to.
- Mark Krynsky
10 seconds? I think the problem is you. 10 seconds is not enough time to evaluate in my opinion.
- Bwana ☠
Bwana how much time do you think they need to evaluate the site? 20 to 30 seconds or a minute?
- Paul
To get the _basic_ idea, I'll need at least 2 to 5 minutes. From there, it could go to hours to days for a full blown evaluation. I think in 10 seconds you could completely miss the basic idea no matter how smart you are.
- Bwana ☠
I totally agree. I have been to sites that have a lot of content on it but you have to explore it. It sometimes takes me several days to get the full picture because of the good content on a site!! I always like to support the site also if I can, by clicking on an ad or two!!
- Paul
I'd give it a few minutes at least! :) But I know what you mean - you shouldn't have to struggle to understand "what" something is. If we, as web geeks, don't get something, what hope do they have for mainstream appeal?
- Sarah Perez
What hope do they have for people who aren't web geeks. I'd say 50% or more aren't that geeky and the site should be molded around them not us geeks. We can navigate even the hardest sites, the site should be simple and sweet!!
- Paul
I think that the basic idea of a site should be almost immediately apparent, however it will almost always take longer to fully grasp everything that the site is about, its potential, etc. I don't mind taking an extra minute to try and figure it out if I don't get it in the first 10 seconds though.
- Harrison Hoffman
YEah, I'm talking about the *pitch*. If I don't grok that immediately, I think there's gonna be trouble. But actually reviewing a product always takes time and an open mind.
- Rafe Needleman
from twhirl
having built one that took some time to appreciate, it's not you, but it's not necessarily a worthless idea....
- anna sauce
I think you should at least give them twelve seconds
- drs650
Should be obvious in 3 sec. If not, a lot of people (esp. non-geeks) will leave. Give other pages for advanced features. Look at your Google Analytics stats & see how many people stay for 0-10 sec. If your site is complicated (more than 3 sec), give a front page link to a step-by-step walk-thorough tour with LOTS of pics (Videos are cool, but most people won't play them). Make life easy for people, and they might stay. How do you keep people past the first 3 sec?
- Mitchell Tsai
If the core value of a site does not make itself evident to me within 10 seconds, I am gone. Over the years, I've never missed a site of importance by following the 10 second rule. The best example is Google: it takes only a few seconds to get it. If a site requires a long-winded demo or voluminous documentation, it is poorly designed, imo.
- Sean McBride
I just saw a new service that took only a few seconds to get and it continued blowing me away for the next two hours. I totally agree with the others. If you can't get the basic premise quickly, then it probably wasn't well designed or thought out. http://www.tripit.com is a good example. Even the URL gives you a hint about what it's for.
- Robert Scoble
After 10 seconds, FriendFeed looked like an aggregator to me. Turns out, it's core was discussion. 10 seconds is not enough for me.
- Bwana ☠
I'm saying the site has the problem. The basic idea should be made extremely clear.
- Summer
As a Web performance expert/consultant, it's always good to hear what people think is slow. Some companies think 10 seconds is acceptable performance. Based on this conversation, that might actually be the case for some folks. For me, If I don't get a clue that something is coming within 3 seconds, I tend to get cranky.
- Stephen Pierzchala
Bwana: hmmm, still looks like an aggregator with a search engine and a community conversation feature to me. Of course it took me a little while to try it out. Louis Gray was praising it for months before I finally got a clue, so maybe you're right!
- Robert Scoble
I no longer use a ten second rule. I have missed too many good websites early on because of this. For instance, at first I passed over del.icio.us. Now I love it.
- Jake (aka Jawee)
On further thought, Jake is right. I usually take 20 minutes to really understand what a site does and its purpose. But it usually comes to me in the first two minutes whether something will be useful to me or not.
- Robert Scoble
I have the 10/20/80 rule, 10 secs, catch my eye, 20sec get me interested, if I am still on the site after 80 sec, then there's something there that needs my attention :)-
- Peter Dawson
Some sites I grokked in less than 10 seconds and use religiously: Google, Google News, Google Reader, Google Docs, Google Book Search, Wikipedia. Google seems to understand smart/minimalist user interface design better than any other Internet company. I knew from the first week I used Google (from the first week it was made public) that they would conquer the world. It requires great genius to make things exceedingly simple.
- Sean McBride
I'll confess: It took me more than 10 seconds to understand Friend Feed and I still don't understand the basic idea of Mahalo.
- Rex Hammock
Bwana: Agree with you about FriendFeed. The entry page sucks. Better would be a page with (1) Trails - e.g. 3 popular threads of the day, Robert Scoble's discussion page, Louis Gray's discussion page, Thomas Hawk's page (2) Link to some people raving about FriendFeed (with cool pics of their FriendFeed experience; e.g. Mona's Bacon thread, discussion of Cuil's failure) (3) 2 historical cool topics (4) A SLIM 640x480 entry page with NOT much on it - NO scrolling. People don't scroll on first glance.
- Mitchell Tsai
Some are following the "less is more" meme to an extreme. Hard to explain everything or even navigate from some of these new fangled sites.
- wrecks
how about 12 seconds? :)
- Jeremy Toeman
Five other sites which passed the 10 second rule for me: Craigslist, Hulu, IMDb, Pandora, Yahoo Groups. I use them all the time. Slick.
- Sean McBride
Seems to me that coming into a new site with some hard and fast rule like this supports 'me too' and simple sites that more often than not are a) not solving something new and/or b) solving something 'easy' to solve in the first place and/or c) solving something that isn't really a problem at all. I'm not looking for easy solutions to easy/non problems. I'm looking for easier solutions to harder problems. 12seconds .. easy to grok, fun, but what problem does it solve?
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
I would say the site. Would you like to share the site you are looking at?
- Randy Ksar
Depends on what they do and how you use it in those 10 seconds
- Stephen Paul Weber
DirecTV to boast 130 HD channels on August 14th, 1080p movies later this year - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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I'm tempted to switch, although I'd lose my Comcast Triple Play discount. I hate how Comcast compresses many HD channels anyway.
- wrecks
tv is so 2004
- adolfo foronda
Everytime Comcast has to come out to work on my Internet they get pissed when they see my Dish Network antenna and make some snarky comment about my cabling like they own it or something. Then they double check the filter to make sure I'm not stealing cable. Why would I? I have the everything pak from Dish. Keep your crappy analog. Geesh.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
TimeWarner has been sending near-monthly letters promising they are adding more HD content, yet for over a year now, even with the "HD" package, I only have the initial dozen or so that were available when I upgraded, and most of those are broadcast locally anyway. I really wish they'd turn off the "Also available in HD" slug if they aren't including the "on DirecTV" part.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Watched Direct TV at a friends house and I have to say it was the same or better than cable and cheaper. If i didn't live in a condo I would switch right now!
- Eric_T
TiVo HD and DirecTV don't play nice together. Actually they don't work at all. TW cable is crap and so 1980's. Sweaty dudes with cables come to your house. And the compression sucks. I'm stuck.
- Dean Terry
While DishNetwork continues to take it away. Time to switch.
- jcunwired
I've actually had the same service/account, but it started with MediaOne, which got bought by AT&T, then Comcast and now TWC (which isn't even part of TW anymore). Remarkably, the same counter staff, install contractors, techs, etc. Just new logos, uniforms, and levels of frustration. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Meh.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
A quick plug for the http://satelliteguys.us web site if you need to know the goings on in sat TV.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
iPhone Apps We Like: QuickVoice Voice Recorder Is Great For Field Journos - http://gizmodo.com/5029348...
Is anyone building voice reco and voice dialing for iPhone? Voice reco worked great on my WinMo 6 phone. Very accurate against my 1000 contact database, even with background noise and without training.
- wrecks
from Bookmarklet
IPhone: Pending iPhone App MagicPad Demos Cut and Paste Implementation - http://gizmodo.com/5030160...
We need cross-app cut-and-paste, not simply within this app.
- wrecks
from Bookmarklet
@Jimconnolly Steve Jobs is CEO of a public company. He should come clean about his health. It's something that GREATLY affects his investors
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Are you presuming he is hiding something relevant? Suppose he is not, and says so. Would he be believed?
- Brian Rendel
from fftogo
Brian: sounds like you're assuming his health is not relevant.
- MikeAmundsen
Mike what seems relevant is what the company does when Mr. Jobs work is finished. Until that time, knowing details of his health is best left to his medical team, because they are less likely to dramatize the prognosis of whatever conditions he may have.
- Brian Rendel
from fftogo
Brian: IMHO, transparency and honesty are essential for a successful free market and that includes more than fin. statements.
- MikeAmundsen
Robert, this is just not the case. Investors believe in SJ, but they invested in Apple, and you can check the health of the company any time you would like (from the look of the stock price it seems pretty healthy). If taken to the logical extreme should we also be demanding that CEO's submit family medical history as well? There may be some hereditary disease in his family that could GREATLY affect investors. Also, a bit of a point of order here, they are APPLE'S investors, not SJ's.
- Aaron Krug
I disagree. Sure his importance to AAPL is higher than most CEOs, but making his health public crosses the privacy line, in my opinion.
- wrecks
KPIX interview on Cuil went well. Just did KFWB radio. KNX in 5 min, then maybe more? People must really be hungry for Google alternatives.
was unimpressed by what I saw with Cuil. I hate paging and the pagerization greasemonkey script doesn't work with their site. Can't imagine this thing replacing search for me. The future of search belongs to social search. Flickr has already shown this with images and FF will be next when they launch their personalized search engine down the road -- it's inevitable.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm also unimpressed by Cuil. It's not how big their index is, it's about how accurate their results are. From my early experiments, I don't get what I'm searching for.
- wrecks
FriendFeed - Bookmarklet - http://friendfeed.com/share...
I just added the "Share on FriendFeed" bookmarklet - very cool. Thanks!
- wrecks
from Bookmarklet
The new Facebook features that were redesigned reminds me of Friendfeed features, agree or disagree?
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Yes agree. Comments and threaded conversations.
- wrecks
Agreed. Don't really see the point of having the ability to comment on every FB news feed item when you can post comments directly on most of the items (photos, posted items etc).
- Alja Sulcic
Will Friendfeed move to mainstream? - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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I hope not.
- Jonathon
Looks like Facebook is fighting back and avoiding its usurping by FriendFeed. Facebook now allows me to view my FriendFeed page inside their site.
- Jared Evans
It already has. But it isn't called FriendFeed, it's called Facebook Activity Stream.
- Martin Spindler
I think it might, I'm not much of a tech-savvy guy, and it's only recently that I've found the conversations accessible enough that I can jump in. Maybe the "people factor" has now outweighed the "tech factor" in my mind...
- Danny Gregory
@Jared that's an add-on application, correct? I'm not sure it's an officially supported one.
- Paul Whitaker
No, none of Friendfeed, Twitter, Facebook, MySpace, etc. are truly mainstream, I would argue.
- wrecks
Probably not. Friendfeed for masses would be called Facebook's or another social networks Activity stream.
- doruk tokçabalaban
@Paul you're right: not supported by FB
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
I think it's a feature set more than an application. It's a nice app right now for us early adopters, but it will go mainstream as features added to existing bigger networks.
- Jason Goldberg
LOL @ Aaron facebook is good but different and twitter doesn't allow enough space
- Cecil Sandus
My bet: no way FriendFeed will go mainstream in its current form. But I imagine that what we see now is not FriendFeed's endgame by any means. My take: it's all about the data they're collecting. They've got implicit data (our clicks) and explicit data (our shares, likes, and comments). Get enough of that, and there are all sorts of wonderful things you can do. Comments, Paul?
- Dan Kaplan
I access FF primarily through FB. For me, mainstream adoption boils down to two things - ease of use and ease of access. PS: I had no idea this conversation was going on until I checked my referrer list. Yikes! I need to get better at tracking conversations around the net.
- MiaD
I think it got quite a big push now that Twitter self destructed the followers. Just going down is one thing, but going down and taking acct info (such as who follows who) with you is quite another. I think we are now seeing the beginning of the end of twitter (which is great for FF).
- Aaron Krug
To some extent, I think it already is. Lots of 'non-techies' already on board
- Charlie Anzman
I see FF as a critical component of an open social web - i.e. it _is_ the equivalent of the FB activity stream - except that the activities FF tracks are those happening on independent sites, rather than the walled garden of FB. To me that means that FriendFeed's success is dependent on there being a decent ecosystem of independent social sites out there.
- Robin Barooah
I don't think FF will go mainstream. It's too much of a nerd/geek hangout, and that's FAR from what the mainstream cares about. If anything, FF will be absorbed by a bigger already mainstream social networking service, once all of the kinks are worked out. I'm no expert though.
- Louie
AT&T Testing Voice Web App for iPhone - http://cultofmac.com/att-tes...
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iPhone desperately needs a decent voice dialer and voice command app. My WinMo device had a great one that was very accurate for my 1000 contact addressbook without training.
- wrecks
The Blackberry also has the excellent no-training required voice dialer by VoiceSignal. They're doing iPhone dev, but oddly not voice dialing for it...http://www.voicesignal.com/solutio...
- Paul Reynolds
Hrm. Looks like VoiceSignal hasn't been very active (or at least on their website) for nearly a year.
- Paul Reynolds
The new iPhone IS a gaming platform - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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Cool stuff, but...what's a chemist in this context? Pharmacy?
- Zach Landes
sorry, Pharmacy. Must be an Australian term (we use both chemist and pharmacy)
- Duncan Riley
My problem with the iPhone (or any mobile I suppose) as a gaming platform is, like you mentioned, the battery life issue. If I'm stuck in an airport for an extended amount of time, I feel fine blasting through a DS battery. However, I know I will need to use my phone later on in the day for something important so I find myself hesitant to "waste" the battery life.
- Frankie Warren
Frankie, battery is an issue, I know that my iPhone is good for maybe 5 hours of non-stop gaming, nothing more, which is why I'm tossing up a touch for my son.
- Duncan Riley
Do you think you'd still be buying the touch if the iphone had a removable battery? I would guess that a lot more people are willing to plunk down the cash for a removable battery than for a whole extra touch (I did read about someone else in my friendfeed with both a touch and an iphone). Apple is hurting themselves with the lack of removable battery, I'd wager.
- Zach Landes
A removable battery would not only be cheaper to replace, but would also give my the assurance I can reset the phone when it hangs, which it seems to do frequently.
- wrecks
Episode 2 of The Social Web TV is Now Up - http://therealmccrea.com/2008...
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I like your shows :)
- Travis Parsons
Thanks, Travis! I'm blessed by being part of an incredible team working on this show. And I am really psyched for next week, when we'll be shooting on location at Facebook's F8 conference!
- John McCrea
I caught episode 1 and, really enjoyed it. Haven't watched 2 all the way through yet but, so far so good! Keep them coming.
- Candace
It would be fun to have guests as well.. So far the content selection has been excellent and very relevant (at least for me)
- Travis Parsons
Travis, that's certainly the plan. Thanks!
- John McCrea
Nice going, John.
- wrecks
Woohoo...I'm famous. *grin* I'll keep checking for a podcast feed...if things start flowing right, I'll definitely update ya! Oh, and another good show, btw. I do definitely like the content; I wouldn't push for enclosure feed if I didn't care.
- Ken Kennedy
Ken, thanks! We appreciate your help on this.
- John McCrea
I think Facebook recently overtook MySpace, so still hot, I'd say.
- John McCrea
John, just found this. Viddler does have a link up on how to manage both regular enclosure feeds and viddler: http://blog.viddler.com/cdevroe... It appears to be directed at existing enclosure feed users who are adding Viddler (where you're basically the reverse), but it does give the gist. Basically, you're wiring things up in such a way to add an enclosure link in your feed. Unfortunately, Viddler doesn't look like they want to handle storing it, but you could do it w/ blip.tv, for ex.
- Ken Kennedy
Ken, thanks for your continued diligence on this. Quick question, does the scenario you seek work on Wine Library TV, another Viddler-powered site? It is at: http://tv.winelibrary.com/
- John McCrea
“So those of you who like FriendFeed better than Twitter . . . why?” - http://friendfeed.com/e...
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Dwight wants to know...
- Steve Rubel
Not better or worse, Steve. They're different services.
- Bryan Person
It's much easier to follow, and take part in, a conversation.
- Chris Rossini
Right now, it works. My info and community feed is here now. But I miss Twitter. Twitter is a little more focused (irony)....via feedalizr
- Tris Hussey
I can't say that I like either one better than the other. To me, they're 2 different animals. Since FF had updates from Twitter, I usually just post short stuff from there (through Twhirl) but then FF has all the extra stuff like my own blog feeds and other stuff too.
- Sheree Motiska
I'm still trying to figure out why people keep comparing the two. The services are very different. It seems because of Twitter's troubles people want to make FF some sort of replacement. FF is an aggregator and who knows what Twitter really is but I still don't feel as if the two are worth comparing.
- James
easier to have a discussion; it's like RSS for social networks - everything comes to you
- acedanger
i like both, yet conversations, while better in friendfeed are still disaggregated. right now i'm looking at 2 posts, one from steve rubel and one from dwight silverman, entitled “So those of you who like FriendFeed better than Twitter . . . why?”, each with it's unique comment thread. this can be as frustrating as following @replies all around to pick up on a conversation
- rob zand
Steve, I think it's time to make FriendFeed.com your start page in your web browser *now*. Why wait until the end of the summer?
- Bryan Person
Because the noise is pink not white!.....i.e i can actually hear FriendFeed noise that i otherwise ignore in the "twittersphere", the noise is less dense and JUST the noise i want; less "spill over from other conversations" - remember that the Value in TWIT/FF is in the extra noise it delivers to your doorstep free each day! (...and it is open and free and stable too so has all the hallmarks of a killer service IMHO)
- Mr.Tiggr
I wouldn't call it better. It complments Twitter, just like it compliments all the other services it packages nicely and aggregates for us.
- Mark Krynsky
It's kind of annoying seeing this discussion in two places at once. When you want to make it possible for your friends to see something, you only need to comment on the original post (and all of your friends will see it, even if they aren't subscribed to the original poster). Creating a new post just further fragments the conversation.
- Jason Wehmhoener
I don't think its better, its a nice compliment to it. However, when FF gets some more 3rd party apps, like Twitterific and Hahlo. I might reconsider. :)
- Joe Mac Stevens
Because of the threaded conversations and the broad sources of posts. I have stopped checking twitter except when I log on to my computer in the morning.
- Jon Erickson
from twhirl
I get more then just random postings/urls. I get actual discussion and more focus on sharing of information then noise. Noise still exists no FriendFeed, but the Noise, Info ratio is much more better then on Twitter. Don't get my wrong. I like Twitter, but I like FriendFeed more for the content it offers me
- Bartek Ciszkowski
Don't consider it better, just different. Love both
- Deepak Singh
Right now - because it's up :)
- Neil Saunders
To me it seems much easier to follow a conversation (or many) on FriendFeed than Twitter. I can always go check my Comments to see if anyone else has responded since I replied and it doesn't require me to monitoring as constantly to still participate, even hours later because the context is still there. If I sent a response tweet hours later no one would know what I was talking about.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
The opportunity for more conversations is better on FF. In addition, the integration of other services makes it easier to find more interesting information.
- Scott Watermasysk
I don't see why it has to be one or the other. FF is pulling from several services, but I don't see people clamoring about other services being replaced. FriendFeed, from what I can tell, was never MEANT to replace Twitter, but be a complimentary service. Using them together is the most effective. I hide Twitter posts unless they have comments. If the conversation has moved here, I can follow along - if not, oh well. FF is better for conversations, but Twitter most certainly serves a purpose.
- Vince DeGeorge
@Vince *exactly*. They might be competing for your attention but they are not competing services.
- Kamath (नमः)
from twhirl
more fun than twitter, and more addictive...via feedalizr
- Baard @ Pixum
I'm using FriendFeed INSTEAD OF Twitter because FF does what I WAS TRYING to do with Twitter. I was using Twitter to Learn new things, BUT I'm finding the signal-to-noise ratio of FF to be much better! I also prefer the way that I can follow conversations on FF BUT I am frustrated by the multiple conversation threads that originate from the same posting. I could go to the original...
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- Thomas Ho
from fftogo
Easier access to information, better signal/noise ratio, better overall functionalites. Beside high followers number, there's no advantage to use twitter anymore.
- yvons
no choice anymore http://simonstudiotheatre.blogspot.com/2008... twitter is not the free forum we were promised. technology is a moot point
- Noah David Simon
It's easier to follow and to answer post. And I can also saving time checking all the info of a friend in just one page and saving if it's interesting. And I think there is too much noise at Twitter.
- Bibi
Threaded conversations.
- wrecks
Threads.
- James Kendrick
To me Twitter is delayed messaging; I'm not a big fan of IM. FriendFeed gives me a more overall perspective of what's going on. Gives me time to think before responding.
- Sergio Cruz
They go really well together for comments
- James Tenniswood
I still hate twitter... but I will be honest that it sucks not being able to respond there
- Noah David Simon
Here’s An Idea: Location-Aware Disposable Apps For The iPhone - http://mashable.com/2008...
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Yes, for example, if you are at an airport that is not your hometown, a location-aware app could assume you are headed home, display flight options and other relevant info.
- wrecks
Some movie theaters (like Metreon in SF) were doing this with bluetooth + java applications you could accept and install. Seemed sketchy.
- Sam Pullara
Here's An Idea: Location-Aware Disposable Apps For The iPhone ( http://mashable.com/2008... )
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The Scoble Effect
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I met with the top 2 executives at one of the largest PR firms in the world today. Their advice for launching a product amounted to this: "Whether Robert Scoble likes your product or not means more than anything these days if you are trying to reach a techy first-mover audience."
- Jason Goldberg
Which PR firm was this? And do you want me to send Scoble my first review of Social Median? I brought it up when we had dinner. :-)
- Louis Gray
This is very telling, but concerning as well. Nothing against Robert Scoble, but should one man hold that much power in technology?
- Rob Diana
plus michael arrington...
- Pokai
I agree Rob. Nothing against Robert but he could have a personal bias in the space and it could hurt that product etc.
- Adrian Nadeau
Rob Diana: It actually bothered me a bit. Bother in the sense of how strange a comment it is.
- Jason Goldberg
Louis, Rob et al: we actually weren't discussing how to pitch socialmedian when this came up, it was actually a broader discussion around the state of social media, pr, and the news biz. They are trying to find/create the scoble equivalents now for other industries.
- Jason Goldberg
Jason: I don't think this is true. Louis, we should join forces. Maybe someday we'd be as powerful as Walt Mossberg. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Jason Goldberg: It does bother me also.. one person's opinion shouldn't decide your products fate...
- Adrian Nadeau
Jason: truth be told, it bothers me a bit too, because there are hundreds of people who can make a product successful. I've never talked about Evernote before today and they had 30,000 new customers sign up this weekend.
- Robert Scoble
TURKISH FF COMMUNITY: PLEASE READ THIS! ; ) ESPECIALLY WEBRAZZI.COM AUTHOR 'ARDA KUTSAL'. : ))
- Erhan Erdogan
Who's to blame here? Not Scoble.
- Chris Baskind
perception is surely part of the reality and vice versa. broader point is that old media is still very much trying to figure out the new world. old world they had speed dial into the 3-5 guys who mattered who were on long lead time deadlines. today they have scoble's and arrington's and mashable's etc.
- Jason Goldberg
Chris Baskind: Definitely not, good point.
- Adrian Nadeau
@Adrian, one thing I have never seen is Scoble have a bias besides hot new technology.
- Rob Diana
Scoble's not to blame -- blame Canada. Scoble has power because people listen to him. People listen to him because he is often right, speaks from the heart.
- Brian Sullivan
Plus, lots of things I've picked as hot have turned out to be failures, or, at least, not home runs.
- Robert Scoble
No - what they really should be looking at is what us FF'ers think about their product. Let all of us play with it and we'll give our aggregate opinion. Scobez is usually right on the money, but sometimes even he can miss a diamond in the rough...
- Chrimmus Tad
Robert: they're probably reading this too :) lol
- Jason Goldberg
Brian: Good idea. Bloody Canadians, with their clean streets and sense of social justice.
- Chris Baskind
@Rob Diana That's good to know.
- Adrian Nadeau
Is that like the Butterfly Effect?
- Dayngr
Since I have the Scoble effect, go sign up for Evernote. Damn, that's cool. Take a picture of something with text in it and it recognizes the text and lets you search for it. I want to put all my business cards into this!
- Robert Scoble
I agree, if you have a consumer product you need the Scoblizer!
- Greer Trice
Scoble: what's most interesting is that it goes to show that even in the new world, content is king. It's not just that you have a following, it's that you have created the content which galvanizes the following and keeps them following.
- Jason Goldberg
I remember experiencing this phemonenon first hand: I received 20-30 Twitter follows in one day. What had happened? I checked Seesmic and found that @scobelizer had mentioned my name. I had been Scobled.
- Steve Lynch
Jason: the content comes from getting access, which I greatly appreciate everyone here for connecting me to interesting people and interesting companies.
- Robert Scoble
Robert wont write about me 'cause i was a bitch about video comments. (that's me trying to be sarcastic robert, and probably landing flat). ;-)
- Jason Goldberg
Jason: I don't even remember you doing that. What you want me to see of yours?
- Robert Scoble
and btw. FriendFeed rocks with the pace of this discussion. Fantastic.
- Jason Goldberg
Robert (and anyone/everyone else for that matter). We're less than 2 weeks from going public with http://www.socialmedian.com. Been in private invite only alpha since April. You can use invite code = nearlybeta to check it out before release.
- Jason Goldberg
Scoble is the reason I joined Facebook and the reason I told all my friends they HAD to get an account. He's also the reason I'm here (on FF) as well - but I can't convince a single friend to climb aboard - none of them trust me now.
- James Hull
BTW. as pat of this conversation with said PR agency execs, we also had an interesting discussion around finding the scoble's of politics, sports, etc. And especially the scoble's of India, UK, china, etc.
- Jason Goldberg
Related, there's an interesting post on FF today about listing who the most "popular" friends are to follow. I don't understand what the harm there is? Isn't part of the fun/value of this following the Newsmakers? We just go ahead an put a link on the homepage to the most popular Newsmakers on socialmedian. http://www.socialmedian.com/users...
- Jason Goldberg
what would be cool, would be to see something similar to the soon-to-be released study by the University of Miami and USC that correlates a company’s stock performance with reviews of its products by Walt Mossberg of the WSJ (http://bit.ly/24VfTx), but Scoble v Arrington V Mossberg. kind of apples and oranges, but still fun
- Christian Anderson
would be fun to see a scoble, arrington, mashable, etc. post and adhere to a not private pitch policy for a few weeks and see how it goes. All pitches must be in public on a blog post, FF, or tweet. Whadya think?
- Jason Goldberg
Scoble has many followers and is an incredible channel to the tech-savvy, early adopter audience, but he only covers topics he considers to be cool and interesting. Nothing wrong with that, but there are still a lot of important tech issues and product areas that Scoble does not cover.
- wrecks
wrecks: yup, the industry is bigger than any one person now. It's why I still recommend reading http://www.techmeme.com and http://news.google.com and participating in FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
What Robert has that the PR people crave is "Trust Equity", built over time. Same with Mossberg. Readers believe they will give straight appraisals of products and services and not be swayed by spin/swag.
- Sprague D
BTW. I would love anyone to write their review of socialmedian on FriendFeed so we can all publicly discuss it. Tell everyone what you like and don't like. Hell, give us hell even. Better the feedback the more we can learn and try to make it better.
- Jason Goldberg
The beauty of the Scoble effect is that even your pitch is broadcast to a huge user group, especially if he responds, all those followers do to.
- Jason Kintzler
By the way Jason, I'm planning to write about SocialMedian's PR implications on PitchEngine...Stay Tuned!
- Jason Kintzler
Its due to hard work on the part of the Scobleizer, Congrats.
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Re: Is blogging dead? - http://www.seesmic.com/video...
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"Is * dead" is a silly meme. Nothing's dies, really -- hell, people still use 8-tracks :). It just fades away, right?
- John Biesnecker
wow loic - probably one of the BEST vids i've watched in a long time! Relationships are EVERYTHING!! definitely look forward to connect with ya ;)
- Alejandro Reyes
Loic, I could not agree more. What I can add is that people need to focus on their passions and connect with these similar people. However, go outside your comfort zones. No blogging is not dead - its just getting better, and better, and better...if anything it's getting bigger. I really enjoy your perspective and thanks for doing what you do. It's people like you, Robert Scoble, Chris Brogan and others that I look to - to help me serve my audience better.
- Jason Cronkhite
Interesting insights Loic, thanks. I agree, it is becoming decentralised. Sometimes the conversation will jump from one network to another. I like what you said about finding the right group for what you have to say. I've experimented with crossposting the same micro-post to different platforms to see if there is a different reaction, a different number of replies. There usually is. Now I try to think where what I have to say would best fit - Twitter, ff, Plurk, Seesmic, Phreadz, Qik, Utterz, flickr, blog..
- jjprojects
very interesting take on blogging and decentralization. I run into the same thing based on where my friends hang out whether I updated them on Facebook, twitter, church, or within my Team In Training cycle team. Don't force people to sign-up to receive updates on your life. You need to adapt to their means of communication.
- Randy Ksar
So if everything is being decentralized, then the network needs to be portable across all of these social software tools.
- Justin Whitaker
I would use the term "fragmented" instead of "decentralized." The number of social networks is growing rapidly. User-generated content is so easy to create and publish that it is truly exploding. I can't pay attention to all of it, so I have to rely on my "real" relationships, plus I follow a few digerati with well-established online reputations. Still a lot of noise without enough signal...not enough hours in the day for many of us.
- wrecks
MobileMe question - can you use push from BOTH MobileMe AND Exchange on the same iPhone?? Hmmm??
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Seriously, does anyone know?
- Andru Edwards
Can't see why not. You can have multiple email accounts now, so it would be a step backwards if you couldn't have both with push. Push is coming from the server, so if configured both should push IMO. Just a guess though.
- Kevin C. Tofel
Then again, one of the reviews said that if you use Exchange, your personal contacts and calendars go bye-bye. Hmmm......
- Kevin C. Tofel
Let me know if you find out.
- l0ckergn0me
What will happen if you use multiple sync services, like MobileMe, ActiveSync, MSFT Live Mesh, and Plaxo Pulse?
- wrecks
Mossberg said Exchange and personal calendars are not allowed. Therefore, I would guess not.
- Jeremy Franklin
Then I hope you can choose what you want to sync with mobileme and what you want to sync with Exchange. My issue is that my EMAIL is on a hosted Exchange service, and I want that to be push email. I am guessing that the only thing MobileMe will push is me/mac.com email addresses, and that you can't have it work with your own. However, I want my calendars and contacts pushed using MobileMe, because I don't put that stuff onto Exchange.
- Andru Edwards
It sounded like you had to choose one or the other.
- Jeremy Franklin
If so, that is going to freaking suck
- Andru Edwards
Twitter is slowly plugging the Fail Whale’s blowhole - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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Twitter appears to be making progress in slaying its white whale
- MG Siegler
I'm not really feelin' the imagery invoked by this title...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Waiting for countless Moby Dick references. Go.
- Shawn Farner
@rahsheen - agreed. switched it to "Twitter draws closer to harpooning the Fail Whale"
- MG Siegler
i've definitely enjoyed the increased uptime. but they shouldn't even announce progress until we can reliably go back say ten pages into older tweets. I'm also frustrated by the never ending error messages from my twitter clients (twhirl on my pc and twitterific on my mac) saying i've exceeded 70 requests per hour. nevertheless, i am a bit excited that constant downtime may be a thing of the past.
- mike
@mike - yeah i thought it was a bit early to trumpet a success at first too (mission: accomplished anyone?) but then again those are some pretty solid numbers and twitter did kick ass yesterday with its 30 minute maintenance in a two hour window.
- MG Siegler
All they need to do is move their offices to Nantucket.
- Jonathan Beckett
Great title! Twitter does need to stop blowing so badly.
- wrecks
Does this improvement correlate to the addition of Pivotal Labs to the Twitter team?
- AJ Kohn
Tell me that headline is suppose to be ironic:-) What happens when you fill the blowhole on a whale?...think about it
- Duncan Riley
It'll drown?!
- Susan Beebe
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