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@Jeff - that's actually a bit of an issue. At the moment, I only have my 50mm f/1.4. I'm looking to get the 24 -70mm f/2.8 or the 24 - 105mm f/4. - Justin Korn from IM

Nice! :D I just sold my 350D a week a ago. Now saving up for a Nikon D90. - Ron

I think I'm looking to sell my 24-70. - Brian Johns

Brain - get in touch - Justin Korn

Congrats. :-) - Håkan Dahlström

@brain - already sent you an email :) - Justin Korn

@Hakan - thanks! - Justin Korn

I have the 24-70 and it is a very good lens. But, I would go for the 24-105. Reason being it is lighter, has a longer reach, and has IS. You can easily shoot at ISO 200 or 400 to make up for the 24-105 being a stop slower than the 24-70. - Jeff P. Henderson

@Jeff - I'm expecting most of the stuff I'm going to do (particularly why I got the 5D) will be low light (events and stuff). However, I'm still split on these two. Seems I need both :) - Justin Korn

I would also consider the 135 f2 L. It is a fantastic lens and is great for shooting stage shows. - Jeff P. Henderson

I LOVE the 135! However, i think I'm looking at the 16-35 first. Only so much cash to go around... - Justin Korn

congratz on the pickup Justin. Great lens suggestion from Jeff. I love the 24-105...this is the killer photowalk lens imo. and i will add the 85 F1.2 to the mix...amazing portrait lens (arguably the best of the L's) that adds the craziest bokeh ive ever seen. - Carlos Ayala

*rubs palms together* It won't be much longer for me either, y'all *bursts into fits of uncontrollable laughter* - Derrick

I'm saving up for the MK II, hopefully before an Alaska adventure trip this summer. The list of lenses I want has changed about 30 times so far... - jcunwired

I have the 16-35mm and it's a nice lens although I'm considering alternatives now. That said, the 16-35mm and 50mm usually are the lenses in my bag. I find myself not using the 24-70 much but that's mostly because of what I shoot (landscapes etc.). - Jauder Ho

@Jauder - what alternatives are there for the 16-35? - Justin Korn

Nikon 14-24mm (one of the sharpest around according to 16-9.net) and Zeiss Distagon 21mm. But they are manual focus and you need an adapter ring for the Nikon. The upside is insane quality. - Jauder Ho

congrats! welcome to the 5d club - http://planet5d.com - planetMitch

awesome! - Thomas Hawk

Just got myself the old-school 5D too - last month's pro camera definitely good enough for me (and my budget) at this point. Agree on the 24-105mm - which suddenly makes _much_more sense after a year on a crop XT. Also love the 85mm f/1.8 - great value portrait lens. - David Moore

As an alternative, for those with a crop sensor, a 50mm lens turns into an 80mm equivalent making for a portrait lengthish lens. - Jauder Ho

Thomas Hawk

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December 19, 2008 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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"I ordered a 40 page, soft covered, 7 x 7 book. The first problem I saw right away was that the cover photograph I chose was significantly darker than it had been processed. Then, as I began to turn the pages, I could immediately see the binding separating to the underlying threads, right on past the alleged glue. This spreading was happening just as soon as I turned the page. There are three pages that are spread to the binding. “What’s the problem? Why not send them back?” Well, these are intended to be gifts THIS WEEKEND! For many family members, this will be the only gift we give them. We CAN’T not show up to a family gathering for Christmas, without gifts. So, we’ve decided to go ahead and give these pieces of crap, as our gift, with the hope that Blurb will rise to the occasion and repair this injustice." - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet

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I hope Blurb do the right thing, and sort you out.. My experience of them has been much better. - Chris Nixon

Hopefully this is a limited thing - I hope TC asked blurb for a refund / replace by quickest delivery. - Phill Price

There's so much Flash crap on this blog that I can barely get the page to load... - Andrew Villeneuve

I've never used Blurb myself, but was mildly impressed (for the price and being a huge fan of self publishing) with their sample book that they showed me when I visited them at their offices a few years back. Of course sample books and real life experiences are two different things. - Thomas Hawk

that sucks, I haven't had any problems with Blurb (and here's my blurb; http://www.blurb.com/booksto...) and I was pretty careful to calibrate my monitor before setting the photos... - Sean

just got my Dad's memoirs printed with them (as a present) - just text, so no color accuracy issues, but was pretty happy with it. But I was also thinking of doing a photobook too .... - David Moore

Justin Korn

Okay, so I'm thinking about getting a new camera come the new year. I'm debating between the 5D (mk I) and the 50D since the price difference is about $100 now. the big draw to the 50D is I can still use all my EF-S lenses. The big draw to the 5D is full frame. Anyone have experience with both?

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Justin, I'm looking to switch gears and make my dabbling with food photography more than just a hobby. I was advised to go with the 5D because it is full frame. That's about the extent of my knowledge. Last time I was this entrenched with photography, we were all still shooting film. - Derrick

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i'd go with the 5d and keep your 20d on reserve as the secondary body. the pluses (feature/capability-wise) of the 5d outweigh the 50. - Carlos Ayala

Exactly. What Carlos said. ;) - Derrick

Carlos - I agree, but here is my thought process...if I wasn't considering making a dab into the photography world (portraits, events, etc), I would probably get the 50d so I would continue to be able to use my lenses. So, why not get the 50d now, rent the 5D on gigs that I get paid for and as/if the money flows, buy higher end gear then. - Justin Korn

Not even close. 5D all the way. - Thomas Hawk

Thomas - I knew your thoughts on it :) but considerng my comment above, what do you think? - Justin Korn from IM

What EF-S lenses? I agree the 5D (full frame) is attractive but if you are attached to those lenses then keeping a crop might be the way to go. - Andrew Smith

I've got the 40D and I've avoided buying EF-S lenses for the reason I knew I'd want a 5D. Saving for the 5D MkII and will be looking to unload the 40D - Andrew Smith

I'm waiting for the 5D MkII to become widepsread in the next month or so, and hope to pick up an original 5D on the cheap. Speaking of, any good and reputable used camera places online to keep on my radar? I know of keh.com and the used stuff on bhphotovideo.com - Derrick

Remember, the camera body is the single lEAST important part of the photography workflow. In order of importance to making great photographs:1) Your brain. 2)The light. 3)The lens. 4)The body. Having said that, if you're going to spend the $$$ and the 5D is only $100 more, go get the 5D. Then get some great glass. for food photography, you'd probably be really happy with a 50mm f2 macro. - David Sifry from twhirl

For 100 bucks more, I'd go with the 5D. Better low light performance and full frame. Having to give up some lenses is a bummer, but you can sell them and put that cash towards a new EF lens. - Jeremy Brooks

I think I might go with the 50D simply because it's 3 years newer. The 5D is a great camera, but if you're going to lose your EF-S lenses it's more than $100 more in the end. A 5D warrants good glass, be prepared to upgrade to L glass to really make the most of the system. - Ryan

The 5D is a great camera. I believe it has better low light performance than the 50D. If you want to shoot wide angle, the full frame will make that much easier. I'd consider selling the EF-S glass and getting one or two good pieces of "L" glass regardless of which body you go with. - Jeff P. Henderson

I have a 5D, which I dearly love, but there is one downside for people who don't own a bunch of expensive L lenses. You will really need those expensive L lenses to get the most out of the 5D. If you have them or you have budget for them, I would say go with the 5D hands down. - Michael Hocter

Oh, and that stuff about the body being the least important part of photography... That may have been true with film cameras, but it doesn't ring true in the digital era. I think the sensor, processor, and software inside the body are now at least as important as the lenses. Anyway, both of these bodies will produce pretty stunning photographs, the imaging quality will be fairly similar. The 50D is probably a little better at flash photography and of course long teles, and the 5D is better for wide angle. - Michael Hocter

I'm having the same debate, and came down on the side of the 5D. For what I shoot - portraits, landscapes, architectural - the 50D's benefits don't really matter, and it seems like overall image quality is better with the 5D. And some zoom lenses (like the 24-105 f/4L) cover a much more useful range on the full-frame camera. - David Moore

Thanks for all the input so far. @David Sifry - I'm going to have to agree with Micheal Hocter on that camera bodies are in fact an important factor these days. Since I find myself in a lot of low light situations, a sensor that can handle 1600 ISO+ is really important to me...particularly when zoom lenses (typically what I use for events) don't particularly come less then f/2.8. - Justin Korn

As for investing in L lenses, again, this is why I was thinking about getting the 50D now and as I build my lens family, going forward, only invest in L lenses or at the very least, lenses that are EF (not EF-S). - Justin Korn

This thread is most excellent. Wide angle stuff is probably best for me and while the innards of the 5D are old, they are also tried and true. I look forward to making use of all you truly smart people once I start shooting again. Now, off to find a used 5D on the cheap... - Derrick

I want either the Canon 5D (Mk II) or the Nixon D3X, but my budget is < $100. Any suggestions? - Mistletoe Glen

Pad of paper and a pencil? ;-) - Jeff P. Henderson

Actually if you are on a tight budget, you can buy a Rebel XTi or XS with a kit lens for less than $500. Both are excellent cameras. - Jeff P. Henderson

fwiw, I love my d-lux 4 (& 1-3) incomparable optics with leica - Scott Moskowitz

Glen - are you kidding? Is that suppose to be $1,000? Even at <$1,000 you aren't going to get near the 5D mk ii for a few years (don't know about the Nikon). - Justin Korn

If ISO1600+ is important as is overall IQ, then 5D is the way to go. 50D at high ISO is not bad but is a bit too grainy in my eyes. When it comes down to AF, I think the 50D has the better system for your purposes with better peripheral AF points. You really need to be comfortable with focus+recompose w/the center point with the 5D as the other points can be a bit iffy in low light. - ronin

I think renting the 5D is a bad move. They are not cheap to rent. Plus any money spent renting is sort of wasted. Sell the old lenses on eBay and buy the 5D. If you can afford it buy the 135 f/2 lens to go with it to start. I think you already have the 50mm f/1.4 right? - Thomas Hawk

TH - I see what you are saying, but if I sell the EF-S lenses, I'll have nothing to go with my 20D (which I still need as a back up and secondary camera). So selling off all the lenses is not an option (yet). Another way I could go is to grab the 5D and use it with my 50mm (which is arriving on Thursday!) for now and rent lenses during paying gigs while I slowly invest in L glass. - Justin Korn

@Justin, EF lenses will work just fine on your 20D. You could also rent specific lenses if you need them for an event, which would be much cheaper than renting a 5D body. - Jeff P. Henderson

@Jeff - HAHA!! I total forgot that if I sell the EF-S lenses and buy EF lenses I could use them with the 20D! Man...I think I need to go back to sleep. - Justin Korn

I have a 40d and that was a nice upgrade from the 20d. I only have one EF-S lens - the 10-22mm for wide shots. If you want to keep the 20d as a backup, then you should opt for the 50d, I think - but it really depends on how many EF-S lenses you have. - stretta from twhirl

I think if you can get the 5D for only $100 more than the 50D, it's a no-brainer. Just curious, but where can you get the 5D for that price? I'm close to buying a new body myself ... - Andre Maltais

Okay, so the suggested route seems to be: Buy 5D, sell EF-S lenses (10-22 and 18-55; keep my 18-200 for traveling), buy L lens (suggestions?), and rent lenses as needed for events... - Justin Korn

@stretta - that is what I was thinking at first, but I think going with the 5D makes sense - Justin Korn

Something no one has mentioned are the ergonomics of the body: the 50D has the 640x480 LCD screen with LiveView and it's spectacular (it's the same one as on the 5D MkII which I have). I upgraded from a 20D and the high-quality, high-res LCD screen is a much bigger bonus than most reviews point out. I still think the image quality of the original 5D is better than the 50D--especially since the tightly-packed sensor sites on the 50D push most lenses beyond their capabilities. But, on the other hand.... - Tommy Williams

.... (continuing) if you have a big investment in EF-S lenses, it's going to be hard to let those go and move to full frame. It's precisely the reason I never bought EF-S lenses for my 20D over the 4 years I owned it. - Tommy Williams

@Andre - It's actually closer to $150 difference. On Amazon and BHPhoto, I saw the 50D for $1099 and the 5D for $1250. - Justin Korn

@Tommy - I know...I made the mistake of grabbing a few great EF-S lenses and here I am paying for it. Lesson learned! - Justin Korn

You may want to recheck those prices. Lowest I've seen on either site for a new 5D is $1999. Lowest price on either site is $1439 on Amazon for a used 5D. - ronin

I have a 5D and I absolutely love it... full-frame is great. Wouldn't trade it for any other camera, except of course for the mark II. - Shawn Duffy from twhirl

@saeba - I must have seen a Black Friday special or something! DOH! - Justin Korn

For lens suggestions, my standard lens is the 24-70mm, f/2.8L lens.. great lens... I also have the 70-200mm, f/2.8L IS lens which may not work for every day walkaround use but just may be the best lens canon makes, imho - Shawn Duffy from twhirl

@Shawn - I drool over the 70-200 2.8 IS. Someday...someday... Are there any L lenses in the mid range zoom with IS?? I love my EF-S 18-55 2.8 IS and would need to find something to match it if I were to sell it. - Justin Korn

Unfortunately the only mid-range zoom that has IS is the 24-105/4IS. I'd recommend the 24-70/2.8 as well. It's gonna be a HEAVY combo though so be prepared. ;-) - ronin

I just bought the EF 24-105L f/4 with IS for my walkaround lens. I love it. - Andre Maltais

the 24-105 is what sparked my interest in photography. The lens is perfection. Truly. Now that Ihave a 70-200, I'm thinking the 28-70 would be a better mate and enjoy the extra stop, but really, the 24-105 is a simply outstanding lens. - stretta from twhirl

I'll second the rave review for the 70-200 f2.8 IS L. It is probably one of the best if not the best zoom Canon makes. If you want an excellent L prime lens that is reasonably priced, I'd take a look at the 135 f2.0 L. It is one of the best primes that Canon makes and it sells for around $800, which is cheap for an L lens. - Jeff P. Henderson

Before my first batch of camera gear was "lost" by an airline, I had the 24-105 f/4L IS lens. It is a fantastic lens and excellent for general purpose use. After I got my insurance check (BUY INSURANCE FOR YOUR GEAR), I decided to go with the 24-70,f/2.8L lens for the wider aperture. It, too, is an excellent lens. As to whether the f/2.8 and no IS is better than f/4 with IS, I suppose that's up to the photographer. I had a tough time choosing but I'm very happy with it. - Shawn Duffy

I just wanted to thank everyone for their input again. This has been an awesome, informative, and helpful thread. Hope others have found it useful as well. - Justin Korn from IM

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