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These are all done in Pencil.
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Brent - Yes I am, Jeff (Team マクダジ ), Behnam B and 269 other people liked this
Impressive
- M F
Great work!
- Neya
I'm sorry but this is unbelievable:) I'll give credit to the artist upon more convincing proof! The photogenic look of the tiger and lion really helps the artist's case though:)
- Roney Smith
I'm with Roney... I find this hard to believe... or maybe I'm just jealous that I can't even get stick people right!
- Jasmin Smith
I don't believe it. Too amazing.
- Rah-PM 2012
I'm with Rah
- Shey
Only the lion looks like its drawn
- embee
The bear and rhino look drawn, too.
- Chris Charabaruk
very very talented. Wow they look like B&W pics you know photography.
- Gabriella Sannino
These are amazing, were they done by you?
- Angelo Rodrigues
Nice photographs
- Rafael Robayna
@michael, if they weren't drawn by you, at least tell us who the artist is and the link
- LouCypher
Link please?
- Jason Wehmhoener
wow
- Carolyn Chan
being slightly skeptical, i'm going to say these were done with pencil by a printer of some sorts... #justsayin
- Enrique Gutierrez
they're beautiful, but skeptical as well
- Jennifer Van Grove
Would need to see higher quality images to see if they are pencil or not - too many jpg artifacts to tell.
- Luke Addison
from twhirl
Stupefied.
- Parth Awasthi
Wow!! Yeah it's pretty amazing what they can draw with a pencil nowadays, deviantART has lots of great pencil art.
- Kol Tregaskes
Michael, who is the artist?
- Kol Tregaskes
wow, cool!
- Sarah Perez
I'm really happy everyone liked these. They're my most liked entry to date, Thanks! There also seems to be some question about whether these are actually Pencil Drawings.I can assure you that they are.When I get home, I should have the links. I have more drawings, too.
- Michael Fidler
from fftogo
O_O WOW...Stunning
- Anna Haro
Wow, these are stunning!!
- Susan Beebe
Yes, especially the tiger. Reminds me of that "Tiger, tiger burning bright."
- Melanie Reed
Alright, Mike - I believe you. These are awesome. Good job!
- Enrique Gutierrez
HOLY CRAP.
- Chieze Okoye
no way!
- Mister Groonk
Thanks Enrique, I'll post some more soon. They are a little more obvious than these ones. As Luke points out; without being able to look closely it's impossible to tell. He's right; but up close it's more obvious. I'll upload the originals to Picasa later, and then you'll be able to zoom in with any photo viewer and see for yourselves. I can't believe how many people liked these. A few people have reposted them already. Thanks!
- Michael Fidler
Absolutely awesome, Michael. You are extremely talented. Everyone should repost these pix and help to make you famous. You should be doing this full time - you obviously have some passion for this. Bravo.
- Chris Loft
These are really beautiful, Michael. Do you sell them?
- Shannon Jiménez
Chris, I would love to say they're mine, but it's not true. I've had them for a while, but I'll find the artists names. It will just require a little backtracking. Besides, they deserve the credit; all I did was find them:-)
- Michael Fidler
Cut the bullshit! :) Photos are very good.
- Burçak Çubukçu
I draw alot in pencil, but they are amazing, the best for me is the girl, that is the most photo-like one. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I agree Rob, the girl is amazing. My favorite by far! Wait until you see it close up! It's really had to tell, even up close!
- Michael Fidler
Burçak Çubukçu If these were photographs, they would be very good. As Pencil Drawings,(which they are), they're amazing.
- Michael Fidler
Wow, amazingly realistic
- Threepwood
@Michael Fidler did you draw them? How can you so sure?
- Burçak Çubukçu
That is my pencil drawing :) http://picasaweb.google.com/Burcak...
- Burçak Çubukçu
dont look like it
- Prakash
@ Michael Fidler don't push so hard :)
- Burçak Çubukçu
@Burçak Çubukçu I can't tell if your serious now or just kidding around. I hope your just having fun! If you are serious, I've never given you a reason to question my integrity, nor do I ever intend to. However, the second set is up now, so judge them for yourself, but don't judge me! http://ff.im/1BJh5 BTW, I messed up and reposted the shot of the women again. Oh well. Hope you like them:-)
- Michael Fidler
@Michael: try deviantART, not Picasa, to submit your artworks
- LouCypher
WOW "I can't believe it's in pencil"
- The Real sofarsoShawn
LouCypher, I know it well, but I don't see why I would want to do that. I hope everyone knows by now that they're not mine? I'm sorry, but I can't say it any clearer than that.
- Michael Fidler
nah, i don't believe it is done in pencil. i am sure it is photoshopped :)
- hasin hayder
These would be great even for photos.
- Sullivan
i'm not able to comprehend
- Varun Shenoy
More comments here: http://www.bannination.com/comment...
- donato
I'm finding this both interesting and humorous at the same time. There's a separate message board where this post is being discussed and it has another forty comments on it already. I think its great how this has created some lively discussion, considering that when I posted this I was doubtful if anyone would even like it. When I went to sleep last night there was only had 3 or 4 likes...
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- Michael Fidler
Very interesting. I would like to see them up close and in person...just to make sure. Bill said it's real and possible. Your 2nd set of picts look like pencil. Nice work in finding these!
- LaFern Cusack
Kol, I can't thank you enough! Kol found another post which helps to prove that these are done in pencil. I had my doubts about a few of them because I collected them from several different sites over time, but the site Kol found has done a great job pulling together an impressive collection of these drawings and more. Take a look - http://www.flickzzz.com/2009...
- Michael Fidler
Actually there are more than what this site shows. There's an entire set with the cats(little cats), which I have, and there's a new portrait set.
- Michael Fidler
Found your post here, Michael. :-) I tried my best to find the artists.
- Kol Tregaskes
Amazing and very very very good.... Very impressive ...
- Linda Zeek-Bobinski
fake. http://lenscratch.blogspot.com/2009... Even if your not claiming to be the artist, these are photographs, well except the woman, thats pencil
- james foor
Yeah we know, thanks though, James. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Excellent pictures - how long did it take you to scan the photographs into Photoshop and then edit them? The only pencil that has come into contact with these "drawings" is the Photoshop pencil. A tip - stop trying to fool people into thinking you are a "real" artist, because all you are doing is cheapening proper artist's works whom have spent hours creating real pictures as opposed to a few minutes on a graphics editing package.
- The Wimp
A bell does ring here. And I am remembering why I was so attracted to the tiger...and the lion for that matter. These are exact replicas of prints I had in our bedroom when I lived in Dallas. I had bought the prints (in color) at a department store,
- Melanie Reed
Actually, I have learned quite a bit about these drawing since I made this post. Not only have I discovered all of the artists, but I've learned more about how they are created. They are always copied from a photograph or painting, but usually a photograph. It is extremely time consuming and detail orientated work. There are many other artists besides the ones featured here who practice...
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- Michael Fidler
Most of them have portfolio's on deviantart.com and their work is truly amazing even if they are copies of other artists work. I suppose with this level of detail, they have to start with something. Nevertheless, I'm still in awe of their talent. Melanie, the animal prints you refer to are from a very well renowned photographer. The originals are B&W I'll look it up later but I do have...
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- Michael Fidler
wow; they're unbelieavably beautiful.
- liladreams
Has anyone ever corrected the record and pointed out, with the exception of the Charlize Theron drawing, that these are indeed photos by Alexander Von Reiswitz?
- erik weisz
Erik, thank you for bringing this up again, but I think I already mentioned something about this in my prior comment. However, since it appears that you only signed up to friendfeed to leave a single comment, (ok, why?) I will try to summarize what I wrote previously. In brief, I learned after doing a little research that all photo-realistic drawings like the ones that I shared here,...
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- Michael Fidler
Awesome
- الکامپ
I can assure you that what are claimed to be drawings of animals, in your post here, are photos. I used a website to that allows you to do an comparison of the Von Reiswitz photos and the images you have posted here. There are no differences. Every hair matches up. As a pencil artist myself I can tell you that it's pretty much impossible to get that kind of accuracy and have it look...
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- erik weisz
but... it has to be real, i saw it on the internet
- Iphigenie
Eric, it doesn't matter to me if you just joined, and I apologize if I made you think otherwise. If you have any questions regarding friendfeed, please feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer them. At this point, I would be happy if we could find someone who is an image analysis expert, and finally point this thing to rest. Every time that I look into this, all I find is a...
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- Michael Fidler
the site spammed above must all be done in pencil too, right, thats why you posted it?
- Iphigenie
I'm amazed that people are still posting these photographs of animals and calling them pencil drawings. This is at least the third case I can remember (and there are probably more) of this happening. The myth about them being drawings was debunked long ago. It's also funny that whenever they get posted the person posting them doesn't make it clear that they aren't the artist, exactly as you have done.
- canadianmaple09
@canadianmaple09 I posted these back in March, 2009 when I was beginning to use FF regularly. I ran them through TinEye hoping to find their source, but it returned no results. When I ran through again yesterday, TinEye returned over four pages of results. If I had it to do over again, would I? Yes
- Michael Fidler
The people you refer do don't join "just to slam" someone, they are concerned members of the online art community that want to see real art appreciated and fake art or photos being passed off as drawings revealed for what they really are. Artists such as Brian Duey, Armin Mersmann, Paul Lung, Zindy Nielsen,and many others do not receive the appreciation they deserve because of scams like this.
- canadianmaple09
canadianmaple09, the worthiness of your motives notwithstanding (and they are worthy, definitely) you could definitely have approached Michael completely differently by say, giving him the benefit of the doubt rather than attacking in a highly accusatory tone.
- Chieze Okoye
When you've seen these same pictures posted multiple times by people that just find them on the internet and claim they are pencil drawings, when it has already been established on multiple occasions that they are not, the "benefit of the doubt" approach seems a little too generous. People post these images and claim they're drawings to get views for their own site or blog or page or whatever it is they post it on. It's wrong and it needs to be stopped.
- canadianmaple09
I can understand that, but you should also keep in mind that everyone is not as well-versed in the issue as you are. All I'm saying is that you would probably be more effective in this case if you weren't setting this up as a us-vs.-them, "must destroy with the validity my argument!" attitude when talking to a guy who's been actively having a discussion on the issue in what seems to me (having been around when he first posted the images and the follow up thread and what not) to be good faith.
- Chieze Okoye
Look at his first comment here. People clearly thought he drew them. He doesn't set the record straight. He also claims that they "are actually pencil drawings" and that "I have more drawings too." Later he claims that you need to look at them closer to see they are drawings and that he will "post the originals". Once again, this makes it sound like they are his. This follows the same...
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- canadianmaple09
Greg and Chieze, thanks for your support. I really appreciate it. @canadianmaoles09, for what it’s worth, I share your concerns about giving proper attribution when sharing also. However, I admit that I'm more conscious of it now than I was at the time of this post. Nevertheless, I have never taken credit for anybody's work here other than my own!
- Michael Fidler
BTW, I didn't realize it before, but I just noticed that you're new here too. I hope you like it so far and spend more time here. IMO, friendfeed is still the best thing around!
- Michael Fidler
I would probably qualify as an image analysis expert, but there's no way to prove that online. One thing we can do is look at color. Even though the images are black and white,they're actually RGB images, meaning they contain cyan magenta and yellow. If you look at the image of the rhino you have posted then look at the photo of the rhino at the photographer's site you can see they both...
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- erik weisz
Men who have ring fingers longer than index fingers run faster - Telegraph #shareit - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news...
Ciaoenrico, Arizona Highways, Dobromir Hadzhiev and 10 other people liked this
"Men whose ring fingers are longer than their index fingers run faster, due to testosterone levels, according to a study from Southampton University."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
So I run fast, huh... didn't know that =)
- Daniel Bruce
Holy crap, I'm Usain Bolt
- Mike Nayyar
Doesn't work for me, my index finger is longer and I was one of the fastest in my school when I was young. Next useful scientific test please... ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
and big hands mean....... big gloves! ;)
- Neil Bernhart
i have a much longer ring finger. ET like, even
- Cee Bee
This story keeps coming around. Next week, "Men whose ring fingers are longer than their index fingers grow thicker beards"... followed by, "Men who grow thicker beards run faster". :o)
- Ken Morley
Men who run faster, run faster.
- Derrick
Derrick, exactly. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Wasn't there another study trying to link ring and index finger lengths to homosexuality?
- Morton Fox
I equate my homosexuality to WANTING TO BANG AROUND WITH GUYS.
- Derrick
I'll tell you what, no one has complained about the length of my fingers yet. Hi-yo!
- Mike Nayyar
*Buys Nayyar a beer*
- Derrick
Hahah @Derrick Yea that tends to be the deciding factor.. but perhaps your fingers help? :P
- Angelo Rodrigues
Found that one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1...
- Morton Fox
Actually looking again my fingers are fairly equal, am I fast, am I male? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
how do we check? I've got it longer ;)
- Sasha Kovaliov
Mine just looks normal. That's why I'm so slow...
- Shey
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
hey just notice i have longer ring fingers. hmm. this explain much.
- Roberto Bonini
I could confirm it is true :-)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Definitely can't confirm this. My ring finger is longer and I am slow as hell.
- Brandon Titus
I saw the words "ring", "fingers", and "run faster" and assumed this was a completely different article.
- Mark H
Mark, hehe.
- Kol Tregaskes
Hmm. I'm looking at my fingers, and my ring finger is longer than my index finger, and I run like a drunken sloth with fallen arches who plays D&D.
- Arizona Highways
"A drunken sloth with fallen arches who plays D&D?" This isn't really Arizona Highways magazine!
- Ciaoenrico
Snail shirt!
☆ Mellyboo ☆, vicster, John (bird whisperer) and 27 other people liked this
It's already received comments!
- LB so u no it's real
Awesome!!!
- Ladyepiphanybug
*bump* for Aden
- LB so u no it's real
Peace, love, and snails, man!
- LB so u no it's real
*snail bump* Got another compliment on this today.
- LB so u no it's real
I get compliments on mine, too. I don't think I've taken a picture of it, though. I should get on that.
- ha3rvey (Hugs 50% off!)
Harvey: YES YOU SHOULD *ahem*
- aden {Chickadee}
*gets on it*
- ha3rvey (Hugs 50% off!)
Europe and USA huhe:))
Durukan Duru, Handy, Peki (czeytin) and 18 other people liked this
LOL!
- Nik
eskiden zindan.net diye bi site vardı. orda bi konu vardı "leğen g*tlü karılar tanga giymesin" diye. öyle bi konu bu da
- Dr.Ceykıl
They're both trashy, actually...though the fat one is certainly less appealing.
- Prosey BUTTONS!
usa girls? no no i think, humpty dumpty
- Damat Ferit
@Denise, i disagree! About the left one.
- Nik
LMAO!
- espyder
Sooooooooooo True! LOL
- ★Kristy
@Damat & Nik - & Dave: LMAO!! Of course you're free to disagree - I find "whale-tails" tasteless, even on a "hottie" - sexy (imho) is something that is sparked by what is left to the imagination, not what's put out on parade. As to the nationality factor, Damat, there are some walking whales here in the U.S. without a doubt - but there are also some exquisitely beautiful women as well - not just Humpty Dumpty. (Most of us are just average, though...LOL)
- Prosey BUTTONS!
(gotta say it for the record, though: I dislike McDs or any fast food - and I definitely prefer European cuisine...*nod*)
- Prosey BUTTONS!
I think you will find that the UK is catching up fast...to fast, present company excepted of course, lol
- Bill Masson
*chuckling* Present company likewise excepted. ;) (I can get away with a few pounds here, though, with the excuse of just having had a baby...but never in my life have I looked like the woman on the right - not even close)
- Prosey BUTTONS!
Fresh fruits and vegetables will never be as convenient or cost-effective. That said, I don't place a dollar (or time) value on my or my kids' health. I will grant that I will never have my 16-yr old body back (nor would I trade back the price I paid for the loss of that body)...but *healthy* is attractive, even on a size 16. :)
- Prosey BUTTONS!
Levitation - http://www.gravetimes.com/pussy...
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Prosey BUTTONS!, Serkan Mutlu, Tolga Aşk and 11 other people liked this
AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
- Olcayto Cengiz
adamın aklı gitmiş :D
- Tolga Aşk
Your mind wasn't made to remember all you need to do. You're only stressing yourself for no reason. Write Things Down! Free Your Mind.
☆ Mellyboo ☆, amygeek, edythe and Angelo Rodrigues liked this
That is an excellent philosophy. I wish it was something I could remember to do...
- Angelo Rodrigues
Angelo, trying writing down "Write things down" ;o)
- ☆ Mellyboo ☆
IE6 OFFENDERS: Report Companies Still Using Internet Explorer 6 - http://mashable.com/2009...
Ryan - @magicofpi, Fatih Taşkıran, Robert DeBord and 4 other people liked this
its called legacy applications that vendors have not changed.
- Rob Cairns
WE'RE ENGAGED!!! :)))
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YAY!!!! CONGRATS you two!!!
- FFing Enigma
Congratulations!
- Josh Haley
CONGRATS.
- Holly is Happy
Thank you, everyone! :) I'm just trying to figure out what to do next. The next several months are going to be really interesting.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
WOW! Awesome!
- BEX
WOOOHOO!! :D
- Joe The Sausage
Congratulations!
- Spidra Webster
Congrat!!!
- YoYo_P
w00t!!! Congrats you two! *sings like ole boy did at the wedding in Coming to America* :D
- Derrick
CONGRATS!
- Mo Kargas
congratulations!!!
- Bren
congrats!!
- Allen Stern
Congratulations, you two!
- Anika
Congrats!
- John (bird whisperer)
Congrats!!!1
- Rob H.
CONGRATS!!
- iTad
Congratulations....can't go wrong with someone named Harold.... :O)
- Harold Cabezas
Yay!! Woo-hoo! :)
- JA Castillo
w00h0! Congratulations!
- Sean Reiser
Congratulations!
- .LAG liked that
Rock on!
- Michael McKean
Congratulations!
- Damond Nollan
congrats!!
- imabonehead
Congrats!
- anna sauce
CONGRATS folks! :)
- directeur
Neat!
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Congrats!
- Hutch Carpenter
Congrats!
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Congratulations! Good on you two!
- Moody (Sweet FA 4 Life)
CONGRATULATIONS!
- joey
Congratulations!!!!!!!
- Amit Morson
Congrats!
- Pete D
congratulations, you crazy kids :)
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
It must be in the water....Congrats!!
- Gabrielle
Congratulations!
- Bonnie Foster
Congratulations! Cute couple.
- Sarah Lane
Congratulations and best wishes! (Someone needs to post a chart here on FF identifying all couples, 'cuz I'm clueless! I worry about unwittingly saying the wrong thing to someone's significant other!)
- Mark J
Congratulations! The ring looks gorgeous!!
- Ange Recchia/angesbiz
Fantastic, Congrats!
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Congrats you two! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Congratulations!
- Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce
Congrats to both of you.
- Mark Krynsky
Grats!
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Congrats you guys!
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Congrats!!
- Bee
Congratulations!
- Anne Bouey
Félicitations, tous mes vœux de bonheur.
- Bob Lyr
Whens the wedding? Are we getting invites?! Will there be a Buffet? *hopes for buffet*
- Alan (Giraffes)
Thank you so much, everyone! :)
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Congrats :)
- Rodfather
Congrats ;)
- Alejandro
CONGRATULATIONS!!! :-D
- Ladyepiphanybug
YAY!!!! Congratulations and best wishes you guys!!! <3
- Yolanda
CONGRATULATIONS KAMILAH! <333
- Parth Awasthi
congrats ^_^
- Shandiz
CONGRATS you :))
- MutfakTeyze
Congratulations!
- Vinay | विनय
hey congrats!!!! I wish you guys all the happiness!
- (jeff)isageek
مباركه!!!!!!!!!!!
- Babak
Congrats
- Randy Allen Bishop
Congratulations. "I'm just trying to figure out what to do next." - get married, obviously. ;)
- Meryn Stol
CONGRATS!
- Shevonne
Congratulations!!
- Emma
Congratulations!
- Ruchira S. Datta
Congrats!!!!!
- AJ Batac :)
Congratulations!
- Iain Baker
congrats to you crazy kids
- Cee Bee
++++ Congrats!!!!!
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Happiest congrats!
- Ayşe E.
YAH!!!!! Congrats!
- Just Katie
Candles all around, congrats.
- SteVe C
Congratulations!!!!!
- Katy S
con'grats !!
- Peter Dawson
congratulations!!!! That's so exciting :)
- Anna Lynn M.
love kicks ass ! ♥
- Mattb4rd
man, that is lovely news...congratulations Kamilah
- Zee.
congrats!
- alphaxion
Yay!
- Tyson Key
Congrats!
- Eric
oh, wow! hey, congratulations, Kamilah and Harold! The ring is lovely. Mazel tov!
- edythe
Congrats
- zsafwan
Congratulations!
- Rick Cogley
Congrats! I know how you feel being recently engaged myself! http://twitpic.com/cedzg DO have your future spouse watch this video... http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Arleen Boyd
Awww :)
- Rah-PM 2012
gratz!
- timepilot
Congrats!
- Angelo Rodrigues
Awesome! Congrats!!
- David Cook
congratulations
- Ufuk İŞMAN
from BuddyFeed
congrats!!
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CONGRATS!
- Shey
Congratulations!
- Vicarbott
congrats!!!
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Congrats!
- Tracy Benham
Congratulations :))!
- Neya
Congratulations! Wishing both of you all the best!
- LB so u no it's real
Congratulations!!!! That is wonderful! <3 You two are so cute.
- Carmen wBabby
wooooo hooooo!!!
- metalerik
Congrats!!!
- Alessandro
One more congrats from me ^_^
- Nico van der Merwe
You started the #engagementmeme -- and another congratulations! :-D
- Ladyepiphanybug
congrats!
- Craig Deakin
Congrats !!!!!!! Great news :)
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Turtle feasting - http://i31.tinypic.com/2zj9840...
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John Field, Prosey BUTTONS!, Mister Groonk and 10 other people liked this
is this real ? :)
- Göksel Şirin
some turtles eat meat as well.
- Joe The Sausage
this turtle is very fast, I have never seen that kind of turtle :)
- Göksel Şirin
nasıl ya?
- Aykut Önen
Freaks me out every time I see it.
- Rah-PM 2012
哇哦，是真的吗？会捕食的海龟
- 老巫
fake hadi fake tamam ben söyliyim yine :p
- Erhan Yazıcı / MimaX
"A severe error occurred on the current command. The results, if any, should be discarded."
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Street Fighter - Akuma - http://www.seyvet.com/foto...
Nathan Chase, Georgie Bestie, Bluesun 2600 and 8 other people liked this
combosu çok fena
- Oğuzcan Yavaş
How much to get Derrick that wig and do the poses?
- SteVe C
I seem to recall seeing this guy, or some who look similar to him, dressed up as Rock Lee in green body spandex suit with leg warmers, holding pose on one leg. :)
- Bluesun 2600
Someone post the picture I mentioned here. http://imgfave.com/view/157838
- Bluesun 2600
Quick! - http://yepyep.gibbs12.com/wp-cont...
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anna sauce, Mona Nomura, Yusuf Nays and 17 other people liked this
parental fail.
- Bahriye
*serious* parenting fail!
- Stephanie Segel
Hurrah to natural selection.
- Lynn
bu siyah çerçeve ve yorumları yapan bir grup mu var nedir? =)
- siniradam
Star Wars meets rice: Japanese company sells lightsaber chopsticks - http://www.crunchgear.com/2009...
Angelo Rodrigues, Jene Green, Erdinc Ciftci and 4 other people liked this
zyouzu desune...
- Alp Solak
another step toward my ultimate fanboy meal!
- Rares Matei
yes...must have these :)
- Stephanie Segel
Now when you expand a conversation, we add an "Add comment" link to the bottom so that you don't have to scroll back to the top.
"Serhat Ozan", ethan meccage, TobiasVerhoog.com and 260 other people liked this
heh just was gonna say something
- MG Siegler
Sweet!
- Mark Trapp
I'm first. :P http://ff.im/6tDGj
- Oguz Serdar
Why add this even thought your going to close down the service?
- Matt Ruiz
hey, that's me in that grab.
- Christian Collins
You're quick Qguz!
- Paul Buchheit
Exxxcellent, sir. We've been asking for this for awhile now. With this taken care of, how close are we to being able to collapse comments that we've expanded?
- Akiva
It's too late.
- Matt Ruiz
Let's call that a $50 million feature ;-)
- Laurent
+1 Akiva, was thinking the same thing - Also, thank you much! Been hoping for this. :-)
- Matthew Horton
Good to see development on FF hasn't stopped, Paul. I thought the FF API v2 post was the last FF update we'd ever see. This warms my heart :)
- LANjackal
it's not too late, personally alot my post-FB fears will be allayed if dev continues on FF.
- Joe The Sausage
Very cool! Keep bringing the cool features!
- Dakota O'Neill
Great!
- John (bird whisperer)
Akiva, so how's your faith feeling tonight? now?
- Myrna
I just clicked add comment, and now I have nothing to say. :D
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Myrna, a band-aid might help but it certainly won't cure.
- Akiva
I had to refresh the page to see it initially.
- John (bird whisperer)
Akiva :) So what would it like if it wasn't just a band-aid?
- Myrna
Myrna, I am unable to parse that sentence.
- Akiva
Sounds like a good addition. I was thinking about that today.
- Louis Gray
Thank you, Thank You, Thank you!
- Jeff P. Henderson
I'm wondering how Paul is feeling tonight a day after signing. Toward his friends here also?
- Myrna
Lol at Laurent $50 million dollar feature
- Wayne Sutton
from iPhone
Keep proving me right, Paul. You guys are awesome!
- Jesse Stay
CYBERHUG! (platonically speaking!)
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
+ Jesse in every way.
- Myrna
very nice - please keep pushing on your features! Keep making FF great.
- Tobin Truog
awesome! definitely makes sense.
- Dusty Edenfield
Yep. I just noticed it. Then looked for the post ... and here it is.
- Kevin Mohr
Suggested this a while back. Glad to see it added.
- Manuel Mas
Much wanted feature.
- Ashish
Cool!
- Anne Bouey
I just noticed that! Very nice!
- Herb Hernandez
from iPhone
Me like new link. Very convenient.
- Dennis Jernberg
Yay, you guys added my "add a comment" button feature (sorta). thank you :)
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
fftogo mobile version, or is there abetter one?
- JCunwired
nice!
- Marg Uerite
Another great new feature. Thanks, Paul!
- ha3rvey (Hugs 50% off!)
digging the feature but I'll keep Micah's script around a bit longer since it also has a "like" link
- chrisofspades
Maybe it was the absurdly long discussions of the FB purchase, but I was wanting this feature yesterday. Woot!
- Tom Horn
nice
- Ali
can you please add one at the bottom of the page, too? i keep having to hit About then the friendfeed logo, and finally back at the beginning/top :)
- mike
Let me guess, the 500+ message thread about FB buying FF brought this on. Like!
- Evan Parker
Matthew, Laurent, Akiva Roflol. This is like the bouquet you get when you're the girl and he messed up. Louis, you were right. ;)
- Melanie Reed
:) thanx
- Ali
hey cool feature thx PB
- Thomas Power
ty
- paniaguai
that's great! thanks
- Jay
Excellent!! Thanks, Paul.
- Kol Tregaskes
Perfect choice of screenshot
- Alex Kapranoff
makes sooooo much sense
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Probably a five-second feature to reassure everyone ;-)
- Tim Tyler
Thanks it is useful :)
- Burçak Çubukçu
Great
- Обратная сторона порошка
In Soviet Russia, comment posts you!
- Mark
Yay!
- DGentry
While you are at it, add a "Keep classic FriendFeed alive forever" -link. kthx! ;)
- Jemm
Very clever, and very easy.
- Evan Travers
It does not appear until certain number of comments are made. This is really nice because if it appeared twice in proximity it would not look nice.
- Ashish
Now, can you add a collapse comments feature? I hate having to scroll up or down for what seems like miles and miles of comments just to get to another post.
- April Buchheit
+2
- Jim Norris
We really wanted this when we were conference blogging--will be great for next time.
- Ruchira S. Datta
+1000 April - yes, i've wanted that for a while, too ... please :)
- Susan Beebe
Nice start. That means I can almost uninstall the Greasemonkey script that had been doing this for me for the past month or so. Now could we also get a link to collapse the comments again. Pretty please? Oh, and why no "Like" link at the bottom as well?
- Alex Schleber
ooh yes, a link at the bottom to re-collapse comments would be great. or maybe even every 30 comments or so there could be a re-collapse link. sometimes i expand and regret it in short order.
- Felicia Yue
Happy to see this :-) and happy for Myrna too
- Majento
nice!
- Christophe Sanchez
I'm with April
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
quetest haha
- ethan meccage
I know that everybody must say the same thing, but I just think that you put it in a way that everyone can understand <a href="http://www.broadspeed.com/new_car...">Volkswagen Polo</a> <a href="http://www.broadspeed.com/car_fin...">new car finance</a>
- nasir-g
Who thinks we all deserve a free FriendFeed t-shirt for making this site the bad ass that it is???
EricaJoy, TheHenry, Rui Pereira and 25 other people liked this
I need it on my body. NOW.
- Brad Williamson
As long as the logo isn't backwards. :P
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
Memories, Scratch. Memories...
- Brad Williamson
I want that too !!
- Melissa Taylor
I just like that it almost says beef backwards :P
- Angelo Rodrigues
Beefbneif never heard of it.
- Matt Ruiz
I like the idea. Something to show our grandkids one day, to show how 'cool' we were ! :)
- Ahsan Ali
Yes, free t-shirts pls!
- Bill Sodeman
send me one please
- Chris Myles
Definitely!
- Michael Fidler
yes! i need it!
- Alessandro
YES!
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
I'm starting to see why Google Chrome would need an Operating System of its own. http://twitpic.com/dl4ur
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LANjackal, Angelo Rodrigues, imabonehead and travispuk liked this
LOL
- LANjackal
Everyone moaning about FriendFeed and looking to Google as a company that doesn't abandon users should talk to the old Jaiku community.
Angelo Rodrigues, Lindsay and LinkMachineGo liked this
If we could find any of them, we would :-P
- JCunwired
Maybe they're all on FriendFeed :)
- Ian Betteridge
The Future Of Shopping, Thanks To Weird Branding Advice - goodbye to the TWO word company names! haha - http://consumerist.com/5330125...
BEX, Musa Yılmaz, Morton Fox and 6 other people liked this
Radio Shack is now the "Shack", Pizza Hut is now the "Hut"
- Mike Bracco
Some funny comments in the comment thread on Consumerist's website for this post.
- Mike Bracco
Will the next step in branding be simplifying to grunts?
- John (bird whisperer)
John: LOL def ;) - these three letter abbreviations are becoming way too much effort..haha - it will be only a matter of time before we communicate completely in grunts :)
- Mike Bracco
Huzzah for evolution!
- Angelo Rodrigues
Macbook Pro just arrived, there goes my productivity for the rest of the day :)
Angelo Rodrigues liked this
Enjoy playing with it!
- Angelo Rodrigues
Fwd: Drive-thru Stormtroopers - http://mokargas.soup.io/post... (via http://friendfeed.com/mokarga...)
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Jason, Joshua, Josh Haley and 8 other people liked this
This was a great movie! Highly recommended to all star wars fans :P
- Angelo Rodrigues
Hitler
Angelo Rodrigues, Bill Rawlinson, gonzoff and 3 other people liked this
love it!
- ★ Soner Gönül
that middle finger looks crazy long. I wonder if it is just the angle? Great photo
- Bill Rawlinson
http://twitpic.com/b3e1q - Blonde Moment
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HealingBrush, Bahadır, melankolikdeli and 27 other people liked this
ups
- Taylan GERDAN (Tylolhot)
crash boom bang
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
a deadly collision
- Deep Moni Hazarika
from twhirl
I can't stop watching it
- Ryan
It's such a fast loop that it's hypnotic.
- Alex Scrivener
oww.
- felix
dang!
- Valley
kit!
- Bepanthol ve 1 kişi daha
man this is a very good athlete from romania, world champion in this sport.
- Laurentiu
ouch!!!
- (jeff)isageek
both blondes having a blonde moment
- Monique
Angry Babies - http://nowthatsnifty.blogspot.com/2009...
Jacob, April, Ali Sahin and 6 other people liked this
Haha this really made my day! Thanks for this post
- Angelo Rodrigues
"Help me - I am a disabled Clone War Vet, need $$$ to build detn star"
Willem (@wim66) ☠, Andy Bakun, Furkan Tunalı and 8 other people liked this
Hard times even for a Sith Lord these days......
- Stephanie Segel
You gotta admire his ingenuity.. although where he got the money for that suit is beyond me :P
- Angelo Rodrigues
FriendFeed now 6x more awesomer with themes - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
Kevin Gamble, Gerd Leonhard, Owen Greaves and 7 other people liked this
Definitely, what did you end up sticking with?
- Angelo Rodrigues
Do you really think so? The so called "Themes" are just changes of color and background. Nothing awesome about this! There is much more they could do to match with "State of the Art" Designs.
- Hans Kainz
I stuck with the default.
- Steve Rubel
from iPhone
NGHN, Ton Zijp, Josh Haley and 26 other people liked this
Fatality !!!
- elefantastico
Funny and painful at the same time.
- Wayne Lewis
UR doing it wrong dude
- BEX
Ouch wow.. I'm sorta impressed that he managed that..
- Angelo Rodrigues
that's a heck of a way to get your exercise...
- Malinda Routhier
LMAO!!
- Valerie
I don't get it. How come the treadmill is going forward??
- Lynn
Could and probably will watch this all day!
- Toby Graham
Also, the Friendfeed real-time updating is much more awesome when your own stuff is real-time updating with awesomeness (as opposed to watching other people's getting all the awesomeness in real time :).
Louis Gray, Dan Hsiao, Tudor Bosman and 7 other people liked this
Adding awesomeness....
- Ross Miller
awh, shux! thanks for the awesomeness!
- Jenna Bilotta
Perhaps it's time to abandon Twitter - http://coldacid.net/blog...
Peter Efland, David Berrebi, Ho John Lee and 31 other people liked this
"We all know that Twitter has jumped the shark. The recent additions of the suggested users list, the influx of celebrity and brand accounts (and all the silent, creepy stalker accounts that follow them), and the incredible gaming of the friend/follower system demonstrates that quite clearly. But that's not why I say it's time to take our tweets and go elsewhere."
- Chris Charabaruk
Hats off to Jesse Stay, whose recent blog post on Twitter gave me the idea to suggest it's time for us to move on to greener pastures.
- Chris Charabaruk
I think with the huge recent popularity of Twitter that more people will understand what social networks are and perhaps understand why FriendFeed is so awesome. But right now, Twitter wins on the mobile interaction game. Tweetie (and other apps as well) on the iPhone is much better than Buddyfeed or Motherfeed.
- Aaron Hood
Aaron: It may be winning in mobile, but that's because there really isn't any competition to it there right now. If there were competition in the mobile feed, perhaps Twitter would do something to un-fuck SMS for Canadians like me.
- Chris Charabaruk
from IM
Not only is this line of thinking narrow minded, but it's very short sighted. I think as a technologist, we should all want services to prosper and be something even our moms would use. Otherwise, what's the point right?
- drew olanoff
Drew: That's why I'm suggesting a move to another service, not the complete abandonment of microblogging itself. Services will prosper if they take care of their users. If they don't, they won't keep users, and they sure as hell won't prosper.
- Chris Charabaruk
Honestly, right now Twitter is just more fun. Follow five of your favorite comedians and it is a good read. It also seemed to be that FF died down quite a bit in the time that Twitter really exploded.
- Keenan
Alasdair: LOLWUT? FriendFeed is no multi-tool. It has one well-defined purpose (to unite a person's feeds all in one place) and it does a damn fine job of it. Besides, Twitter is the issue here. And it doesn't do its job very well.
- Chris Charabaruk
Link not working http://coldacid.net/blog...
- RetiredTeacherD
Chris: The "gaming" you speak of is so ridiculously small, percentage wise. The value of the company, the medium, the people using it far far far outweigh the fictional "shark jumping" you describe.
- drew olanoff
@DBlack: Try refreshing shortly; Drupal 5 is resource-heavy and there's really only one way for my host to deal with that.
- Chris Charabaruk
I say abandon FriendFeed. Good example. I clicked on the link above and it took me to an error page on your blog. This was actually the third click to get to the error page. FriendFeed doesn't actually send you to the link referenced by Twitter or any other spot, especially FriendFeed. It just propagates links to broken URLs. Twitter may be adding features that won't pan out, but when you click on a shortened URL, it does take you somewhere.
- Michael Sommermeyer
Michael: FriendFeed is supplying the correct link. My site is just deranged. Hopefully it'll improve when I can get rid of my Drupal 5 dependencies and upgrade to 6, but for the meantime just refresh. I get that problem a lot myself.
- Chris Charabaruk
Drew: Going at it by percentage is bullshit. There's enough gaming to be visible for a lot of users. When you're seeing gamers follow and de-follow you every day, you get pissed. It detracts from the quality of the service.
- Chris Charabaruk
Chris: And FriendFeed is bulletproof to any type of "gaming"? How about we do a poll of people who are not in the 2%, ie: people who don't work in this space for a living...and see how they feel about it?
- drew olanoff
Drew: What purpose would there be to gaming FriendFeed? These people aren't gaming the system because there aren't any controls against it. They're gaming it because they see some twisted value in it for themselves.
- Chris Charabaruk
Chris: How are people gaming Twitter? My mom uses it to keep track of what I'm up to. I use it to keep track of what friends are doing and ROFL at what Shaq says once in a while. I follow who I want to follow, and if someone wants to follow what I have to say, rad. If not, I don't worry. I don't get your point here.
- drew olanoff
Drew: Just as an example, ever seen someone with interesting looking tweets, who you then followed just to get a bunch of spammy DMs from them?
- Chris Charabaruk
Chris: Yes. I unfollow them. And it's happened like 3 times.
- drew olanoff
Chris: Have you ever been out on a date and they seemed cool so you give them your #? And then they say something that bothers you and you don't want to talk to them anymore? And when you tell them that they still contact you? Are you going to remain single for life?
- drew olanoff
I'm reading Chris Charabaruk's post on friendfeed, need I say more? :-)
- tom
Drew: I unfollow the gamers too when I find them. But it's not just the gamers. It's the fact that Twitter can't keep their service running properly, they don't communicate well with their users (the company blog is every bit as helpful as DreamHost's service blog, i.e. barely useful), and the fact that the top folk there just seem to radiate unhelpfulness now.
- Chris Charabaruk
On other services, like here and on Blellow, I know that if I have a complaint about something, I can quickly make sure it gets seen by someone working at that service, and even get a response. Here users get value as much as they provide it, from the people in charge.
- Chris Charabaruk
With all the crap and poor service on Twitter, it's only a matter of time before it's simply an outflow of my activities elsewhere. (I'm just waiting for an app ecosystem for Blellow, and then *bam* I'll move.)
- Chris Charabaruk
@Chris Charabaruk: If you want free Twitter SMS updates I'd suggest signing up to http://twe2.com :¬)
- CannonGod
CannonGod: I don't care about getting SMS messages from Twitter (I'd switch to Bell if it were that important to me). I'd rather that incoming messages worked as advertised, though, with them appearing once and only once in my tweet stream. Not multiple times over the course of weeks.
- Chris Charabaruk
UPDATE: Twitter, after a couple of months of complaining by users, is finally looking at the SMS reposting issue that Canadians (such as myself) are suffering. MONTHS. TO SIMPLY RESPOND. If that doesn't scream shitty service, nothing will.
- Chris Charabaruk
Why is everyone so concerned with Twitter? Who cares. It's supplementary to the services we use and clearly not going anywhere for a while. I don't care if celebs are there or not. As a technology enthusiast, I am HAPPY people are understanding Social Media more.
- Mona Nomura
Mona: It's because Twitter is one of the best known social media services and the (currently) primary one for all us social media wonks. So of course, every little thing with it gets the attention of an electron microscope, and every time something about it is disliked, we all enjoy screaming about it.
- Chris Charabaruk
from IM
Chris: Clearly this is sparked from something personal in nature, and this isn't a discussion about usefulness or technology at all. I have found no problems with getting answers from the folks at Twitter, and their Status blog at http://status.twitter.com is always updated. I think people who understand what goes into a service that has to scale, realize that there will be hiccups.
- drew olanoff
Drew: I'll not deny that I have issues with Twitter. But I started off enjoying it and making great use and great connections. As time's gone on, though, the great things about it started disappearing, to be replaced with crap. I came in back when it was going through its early growing pains. It was understandable then. But since those days, the use of the service has expanded while the management acumen of its leaders hasn't. And that's caused a drop in the quality of service for me.
- Chris Charabaruk
Any one of Twitter's problems, on its own, isn't that big a deal. A mosquito or two. But brought together, all at once and at one time, and the problem becomes more than the sum of its parts. And it's gotten to the point where I just can't stand it any longer. And I doubt that I'm the only one who feels this way.
- Chris Charabaruk
its easy to say you will abandon but if you have friends there you might not, for example I abandoned facebook but all my tweets get posted there as status and get messages in sms. I joined friendfeed cuz scoble's tweets kept taking me here I dont use much find it hrd to follow lol but it actually works on cell, twitter mobile is a little better.
- David Gross
David: few of my friends actually are on Twitter, and several of them long ago moved on to greener pastures and only update Twitter via other services like Ping.fm. Those who I want to keep track of, and aren't yet on FriendFeed, I can still create imaginary users for, and reply to them via FriendFeed sending those replies to Twitter. I'm abandoning the service itself, not the users. The users I can find again elsewhere, or cheat by pulling in here.
- Chris Charabaruk
New FF is awesome...I guess - http://pikchur.com/t30
John (bird whisperer), Brad McCrorey, Jeanine W. and 141 other people liked this
HAHAHAHA!
- WoH: Minding her Steves
I love that pic!
- WoH: Minding her Steves
haha! Nice!
- Dean "Karnatos" Michaud
Lol - everytime this pops back up again I laugh again. Rah - you're cracking me up!
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Head...explode
- Eric
That explains how do you feel ;)
- LouCypher
New FriendFeed logo. PLEASE!
- Mike Nayyar
dude, this photo should so be your avatar.
- Thomas Hawk
I'd flip it, but yeah... avatar.
- Ken Sheppardson
That's the same look when Rah sees my avatar.
- imabonehead
lol
- Anna Haro
"penis goes where?"
- mjc
I actually like the new design, but I'm pretty sure most people feel like this pic
- Rah-PM 2012
I wish I could "Like" this all over again :)
- WoH: Minding her Steves
AHAHAHAHA! - this is too good. This and Shey's cheese-head pic are the best ever!
- vijay
great shot! you look pissed, and stunned, and genuinely confused! .LOLz
- .LAG liked that
LOL that look is priceless
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
HAHAHA LookLike Booghalamoone Pokhte Shode
- Mil∂d
That look is the very definition of WTF.
- deusdiabolus
Definitely the pic of "WTF" in dictionary
- Olcayto Cengiz
hahahah I think that's how I looked a few minutes ago.
- Carmen wBabby
This is my new magic Rah ball when I ask the Rah this - "does this make my butt look big" and then I see his picture and I know the answer.
- Janet-The Bottley Crue
this is gonna be my link for when ppl tell me something that makes me say "wtf?!" thanks rasheen!
- acedanger
roflmao.
- Alp
LOL
- Moses Kpetigo
funny!
- Fernando
lol.... ya donut! face says it all!!! lmao.. nice one mate, cheered me right up that did! ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
post of the week that is.... :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Looks like someone didn't want their picture taken...
- Seth Greenblatt
man... that was priceless... that could totally be a two girls one cup reaction.
- Joshua Schnell
Derrick..... THIS is what happened to ffeed! ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
LOL
- Derrick
classic
- Nathan Chase
Is that the same face as this? :-/
- Jesse Stay
lol nice pic.
- YoYo_P
Man I'm crying at that face
- Bwana ☠
ROFL
- Praveen Vasudev
LOL. Hehehe.
- Roberto Bonini
That pic just made my morning!
- Bill Sodeman
...just saw this! AWESOMESAUCE!
- JA Castillo
Still making me laugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Roberto Bonini
that got a giggle out of me! the FF isn't *that* bad.
- Fancy Fembot
lol
- edythe
:o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
still crackin' me up :)
- Roberto Bonini
wonder if it's still cracking him up ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
it's still making me laugh!
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Thanks God for the interwebs! :))
- directeur
thank-you, thank-you, thank-you!
- MikeAmundsen
familiar mike? ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@Rob - you bet.
- MikeAmundsen
Glad you all enjoyed the pic. I'm coming around on the new design, though. I'm sure many of us are.
- Rah-PM 2012
wtf ya face looking like now then !! ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
this keeps popping up to the top of my feed and I laugh everytime I see that pic, classic!
- Bill Pennington
from twhirl
Nice!
- David Cook
I want to like this each time I see it.
- Yolanda
i'm still laughing each time it comes up!
- MikeAmundsen
Same here. I'm seeing Rahsheen and just guffawing.
- Hutch Carpenter
This picture with that caption will never get old. Even when they give us yet another redesign in 6 months, you can use this.
- Anika
Yeah, this is definitely a definitive "WTF" face. A friend commented on FB that it looked like I was watching 2g1c :)
- Rah-PM 2012
Great picture on adopting new media tools, we all have had that look
- JuneM
"CHANGE"
- Ken Sheppardson
Hahaha my stomach hurts now... everytime this comes backup it gets crazier to look at.
- Jorg Jansen
huh!!!!
- Rob Sellen :o)
Had to make this photo bubble to the top again! ROFL!
- rowlikeagirl
This pic is going to turn into the next meme. Anybody have connections with 4chan?
- Pat Hawks
BUMP for sheer LOL!
- Josh Haley
"HARBL GOEZ WHERE?!"
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
bump for awesomeness!
- Joshua Schnell
bum,p.. hahaha.. can't type.. laughing
- Brad McCrorey
You know what's rough? Working until bedtime & then while sleeping your dreams are about continuing the work you didn't finish while awake
Yolanda, Patrick Jordan, Angelo Rodrigues and 5 other people liked this
Oh I hate that :o(
- Just Katie
I've been sooooo busy this is the first comment I've posted using the new FF.
- Mark Krynsky
:o( But busy is good, yes?
- Just Katie
Katie, you would think so but I'm bordering on some burnout and frustration that is clouding judgement and is starting to make me think irrationally.
- Mark Krynsky
Well, I hope for your health and sanity you get a break soon. All work and no play makes Mark a sad boy :o(
- Just Katie
Thanks Katie, some light at the end of the tunnel but not until late next week. I hope the car doesn't run out of gas before then.
- Mark Krynsky
Mark, you have just described the last 2.5 months for me. I SO empathize with you. And I HATE never being able to get away from work, even in my sleep!!
- Lindsay
Thats crazy.. almost as bad as dreaming you woke up and got ready for work on time.. only to wake up and realize you're late.
- Angelo Rodrigues
Lindsay it is strange. On the one hand you feel fortunate to have a job with so many out there without one and struggling. On the other hand you feel so thrashed from the treadmill you're on you almost wish there was a way off it.
- Mark Krynsky
I love it when this happens. I usually end up working out a solution in the dream to something I was struggling with while working. There's also a weird state of non-stressful-stress in those kinds of dreams. Much better than the dreams that are flashbacks to having to take a test or get to a class on time in high school.
- Andy Bakun
Andy...you my friend are a sick puppy :)
- Mark Krynsky
@Mark - Yeah, I know what you mean... The state of the economy makes me a lot more likely to put up with being overworked than otherwise. @Andy - It's very rare (though it does happen sometimes) that I actually figure out something new in those dreams. Most of the time it's rehashing the same problem over and over and over and never quite getting the solution. If it were always productive I wouldn't mind so much!!
- Lindsay
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