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The answer to the Question "How many nights will a 5th of Jameson's last a Xarker in a Cedar Rapids hotel room?" is officially: 10.
I'm surprised you were able to stretch it out that long. If I were in Cedar Rapids it would've had a much shorter lifespan. Come to think of it I don't remember Jameson's lasting that long. Especially when we're in the same town.
- Don D. Lewis
Yeah. But I'm working. I only slammed it one night on this trip, and that was at a bar whilst watching the Bears fall apart at the 49ers. The Bears could drive anyone to drink this season.
- Dan Conover
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rt @jeffjarvis He really is bonkers: Murdoch says he'll block Google. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media... Also against fair use #talesfromthetitanic
The sooner the better. He's falling backwards into adding value to search by removing his own properties from it
- Dave Slusher
Die, Monster, Die!
- Dan Conover
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Bonkers is a good description...
- Ken Kennedy
The Big Pool of Money: A social media thought-experiment into for paying for original content. Play along this Friday! http://xark.typepad.com/my_webl...
Of course, asking people to play with a big idea on Friday afternoon before a three-day weekend is the clinical definition of idiocy. But I never said I was smart.
- Dan Conover
My first reaction was "three day weekend? Really?" Interesting stuff . You do realize you are talking DRM though, right? Your point #6 involves boiling the ocean to a point that makes it all really unworkable.
- Dave Slusher
DRM, hmm... I don't THINK so, since the rights wouldn't protected. You'd need to have some way of tracking distribution and consumption, so that shares of the BPOM could be calculated and audited. I suspect that tracking original server downloads would be the best way of calculating, but I also suspect that the same kinds of pattern-recognition algorithms that you need for good crypto...
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- Dan Conover
Yeah, maybe I need to clarify what I mean by fraud. Because there would be, COULD BE no end-user fraud. No piracy. Because by putting in for compensation from the BPOM, the person tagging it would be certifying that he/she was the creator, owns all copyright, and is freely distributing it to all users. In a BPOM system, the fraud would be PRODUCER fraud. As in I put out an eBook, and...
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- Dan Conover
The Resurrection Of Metaphysics? - http://www.scientificblogging.com/rationa...
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"The other day I went to a talk about the fall and revival of metaphysics, given by Sebastian Kolodziejczyk at the Graduate Center of the City University of New York. Metaphysics these days has a bad reputation, even among philosophers, so I was aware of its 'fall' but I was rather curious about the possibility of a 'revival'. I came out of the lecture without much conviction that the 21st century is going to see anything like a resurrection of metaphysics. Metaphysics, of course, is that classical branch of philosophy that deals with the fundamental nature of the world. Or is it? That was what Kolodziejczyk called “the Aristotelian model,” where philosophers who engage in metaphysics ask questions about the nature of space, time, causality and so on. It is an honorable tradition, of course, but it has ceded most of its terrain to fundamental physics."
- Wildcat
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"... What, then, is metaphysics good for? Other than its (invaluable, I think) historical contribution to human thought, there are two things that modern metaphysics can do for us: on the one hand, aspects of it can serve as good models for a fruitful relationship between philosophy and science (think of attempts at understanding the nature of time and space, for instance); on the other...
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- Jamreilly
I read the link and found myself once again confronted with the unhappy convolutions of classic Western philosophy, with barely a passing mention of the conundrum facing string theorists, etc. Our next big breakthroughs in physics will likely deal with the "nature of things," but we lack the means to test our current theories. Until that changes, we're not likely to advance there.
- Dan Conover
Meanwhile, the taint of metaphysics is so powerful that one cannot even pose the research question "How does consciousness WORK?" without enduring the usual eye-rolls. Here is something fundamental to every subject -- the physical process of "being conscious" -- and it remains (to my knowledge, at least) essentially unexplored. What a shame.
- Dan Conover
Dan: why "the taint of metaphysics"- as I see it the issue is that metaphysics needs be revolutionized so as to accept it subject matter not as "the study of being qua being’" but as the study of the inherent capacity to symbolize that which is being. (and though eventually math+physics will enter the picture the initial formalization of thought need come from philosophy)
- Wildcat
This Modern World | Salon Comics - http://www.salon.com/comics...
This pretty much sums it up.
- Dan Conover
Xark!: Evolution via iPhone apps - http://xark.typepad.com/my_webl...
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Janet Edens connects the science of brain development to how we spend our time and attention and goes on from there to suggest that those of us who participate in new technologies are evolving on a different path than the rest of the population.
- Dan Conover
Manifesto by the publisher of MIT's Technology Review says @cshirky and @davewiner know nothing about the media business. http://www.technologyreview.com/busines...
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"Coherent audience?"
- gnarlytrombone
Pontin doesn't seem to understand what Clay and Dave are saying. If something changes enough, it might as well be something completely different. It's a shame that Pontin feels it necessary to slime Shirky and Winer.
- Cliff Gerrish
Interesting shots he (Jason Pontin) takes at Clay and David but I wonder if it would be a Red Herring or simply good Acumen to muse aloud about there being none so blind as those who WILL not see.
- David HC Soul
What is it with publishers? Every one I've met claims like the Bene Gesserit to be heir to sacred Sibylline knowledge, obtained through painful secret rituals and mental conditioning that would kill ordinary folk.
- gnarlytrombone
He's partly right, but mostly wrong, which I feel sad to write cause I really like Tech Review.
- Deepak Singh
Somehow this guy thinks he's responding to me http://twitter.com/jason_p... Can anyone figure out how, or what he might have in mind? I cannot. Which of my posts is he responding to?
- Jay Rosen
An interesting read, all in all. afaict he's wrong about what they think, but right about what he himself thinks. he views himself as part of the press that will survive.
- j1m
I guess he has enough "success' at 'not surviving' that he has the right prescription this time - third time lucky; I don't think all of his ideas will stand scrutiny, but then - he is the expert. (for example, I don't see how decreasing the frequency of all pubs as he suggests is a winning strategy. A weekly has a natural match to how daily life cycle that has a long history and not...
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- David HC Soul
@jay: Well I've read the piece he points to but I'm not bright enough to figure it out I guess .. but then since I cant see how his peace (in tweet " ...But you asked to be kept out of it and so I kept my peace.") is defined either perhaps I just can't understand his style at all. I still find his lament for publications gone ["The business magazine Portfolio, upon whose launch Condé...
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- David HC Soul
Jason's constant dilemma: 50% right 100% of the time...
- Anthony Citrano
"It is a canard that neither mainstream media's managers nor its journalists have good answers to that question. There are plenty of stupid publishers and editors, and their publications will die; but there are many smart, technology-savvy leaders, too, and their publications will prosper." - Jason Pontin [shall we go to one of the online 'forecast' by bets sites and pace our bets?]
- David HC Soul
David: we had some not-for-publication email correspondence about the crap act of debunking he was about to undertake and I asked that he leave me out of the piece. But then he goes and says on Twitter that his shitty analysis is some sort of "response" to me. But to what claim or argument of mine? No idea. He has no idea. But apparently he thinks he disagrees with my argument that the...
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- Jay Rosen
You wanna see how embarrassingly low Jason Pontin's intellectual standards are? He's responding to my claims that the media business will not survive, I guess, but he never checked to see whether I made such claims. In the post he says he's "responding" to, I write that professional journalism is not sovereign over news and commentary anymore, meaning not the only power in the land....
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- Jay Rosen
More from the post that luckless linkless Jason is deluded about. You tell me: does this sound like an author who forecasts the dying out of the media? Or is this an author attempting to be careful about describing a shift in less-than categorical language? "If my terms make sense, and professional journalism has entered a period of declining sovereignty in news, politics and the...
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- Jay Rosen
Seriously? these are the standards at MIT? How sad for that institution.
- Jay Rosen
Technology Review is a company owned by MIT, not part of a research lab or academic division. I'm not sure how the company is connected to "standards at MIT" or "MIT quality research."
- Jeremy Hylton
Well, how many people at MIT think Clay Shirky knows nothing about the media business?
- Jay Rosen
I don't have any idea how many people at MIT think that, but I doubt Jason Pontin does either.
- Jeremy Hylton
How strange the degree to which he belittles Mr. Shirky and Mr. Winer while ultimately recapitulating their main points about the sea change taking place.
- Stephen Mack
Here's my response to Pontin: http://bitly.com/1LTiKR
- Dan Conover
I can only assume that Pontin is attempting to stir up readership by starting a war. It worked for WR Hearst, maybe it'll work for Tech Review.
- Cliff Gerrish
I don't see any serious attempt to start warning. He just wasn't sure his ideas would draw attention on their own so he added some demagogic guru bashing as a marketing thing, Thus Clay Shirky, instead of having an incorrect theory, or an improperly weighted analysis, "knows nothing" about the media business. That's the shock headline he felt he needed to grab people and make them pay attention to his ideas.
- Jay Rosen
Oh what a bullshitter http://twitter.com/jason_p...
- Jay Rosen
He had an idea he wanted to destroy. Unfortunately for him, nobody actually holds that idea. So he ascribed it to a couple of real people despite years of their writing opposite to that idea. If that is not building a strawman I don't know what is. He needed to put names onto the idea in order to fake reputability (named sources vs. unnamed sources looks better and more authoritative)....
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- Bora Zivkovic
So I tweeted a few more responses ;-) Sorry, could not help myself.
- Bora Zivkovic
I had a hard time getting Pontin's point. He seems to want to say print won't die, but then admits it's going to die. Then he seems to say an editorial process is needed/valuable which I think most of us would agree is sometimes true but not always (e.g. depending on your skill set, style, and form of reportage). Then he says Clay and Dave are stupid/wrong/crazy/drunk/whatever, which is just pointless. Yeah, this was a hard one to figure out.
- Anthony Citrano
someone should show him these two FriendFeed threads ;-) 140 characters at a time is getting tiring....
- Bora Zivkovic
This present one and this one: http://friendfeed.com/jayrose... and this one: http://friendfeed.com/jayrose...
- Bora Zivkovic
I'm always intrigued by the level of discourse that happens online, particularly around the realm of new media. As a point of clarity, I've known Jason for many years (by name from my days at Wired News and personally as the former Web Producer at TR during the transition the company made towards interactive properties) and I can tell you that he is neither clown-ish nor stupid. I have...
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- Brad_King
UK entrepreneurs open Pit Start, the country's first self-service garage - http://www.autoblog.com/2009...
@xarker and @lowcountrybbq were talking about this very thing on Sat. They were saying that they do this kind of thing in the military.
- Andre Pope
True. AAFES used to offer care-care centers. And even now that I own a good set of stands, it's really very nice to have a lift and a clean place to work.
- Dan Conover
Yeah, I've brainstormed about it for a few years now. That's what I wanted to do with the old Honda dealership in downtown Myrtle Beach.
- Paul Reynolds
Guess @jason_pontin thinks he's responding to my claims that the media biz will die http://twitter.com/jason_p... He's deluded. I never made that claim. (Update: live clowning)
More clowning from jason_pontin: @jayrosen_nyu No, I'm responding to your doubts about pro journalism. But of course you're not mentioned in the piece itself. http://twitter.com/jason_p... No, I am not. But YOU said it was a reply to Rosen so as to obtain that jaunty "tweak the gurus" feel you wanted. Take a look: http://twitter.com/jason_p...
- Jay Rosen
See how clowns work? Now he reads my pieces and starts backtracking. jason_pontin: @jayrosen and I agree on much. True: "Not sovereign doesn’t mean you go away. It means your influence isn’t singular." http://bit.ly/Wg11L
- Jay Rosen
When it comes to big, sweeping and easily caricatured statements like, "big media will die," or "pro journalism is finished" or "amaters and citizen journalists will replace the press," or "information wants to be free," all things curmudgeons make a big show of opposing, my instincts as a professional scholar and researcher are to be suspicious of categoricals like that, and to word things much more carefully. So rather than "they're doomed," which would be too strong, I write, "not sovereign."
- Jay Rosen
But they don't do nuance.
- Bora Zivkovic
Not sovereign is more accurate, more truthful and less sexy than "you're toast, Big Media," but it has one defect: it's not as fun to argue against it because it's...you know, a true and a limited statement.
- Jay Rosen
This also shows they do not read. They are "too busy". They do exactly what they accuse bloggers of doing.
- Bora Zivkovic
I have been much less careful than you are, yet I have never made such sweeping statements either. But when you write something like "Journalism of the future will mostly move from paper to online, and the journalists will want to use something like blogging software in order to get comments from citizens" they read that as "bloggers will replace journalists". Lazy minds?
- Bora Zivkovic
In this case of my own work, I think they literally don't check. I become a symbol of a train of thought they wish to interrupt or oppose. But they don't check to see if I'm actually on that train, because they want the symbolic conflict. Put it crudely, they want to tweak the gurus (their term). The actual posts I have written get in the way of that.
- Jay Rosen
Ha. Let them screw around trying to figure out how to define a blogger, journalist, or whatever. Meanwhile, the true researchers/ writers can use freely available platforms to put out good content without the enormous overhead and bureaucracy.
- coldbrew
Exactly - they are railing against the symbols and need to put names on those. It does not matter what people with those names actually think and say. Just like they cover politics.
- Bora Zivkovic
See how clowns work? he's backtracking some more, probably because he finally read the piece. http://twitter.com/jason_p... Update to my manifesto about saving media. I want to be very clear: MSM and WeMedia are NOT either/or choices i http://bit.ly/xrMH2
- Jay Rosen
They're not either or choices, huh? You are such a clown. That is the whole point of my 2005 post, Bloggers vs. Journalists is Over. The one you said you were replying to? Check out the section labeled "conclusion" in http://tr.im/kuL5 or check out this Google Search http://tr.im/kxM9 You are repeating the ideas of the "guru" you think you are tweaking. And that is what I mean by clowning. That behavior.
- Jay Rosen
Ha! Usually they get away with it. In this case, he messed with the person who is willing to and has the means to talk back. New world for them, this talk-back by people they cover and put words into the said people's mouths....
- Bora Zivkovic
They so want to frame the debate as Bloggers vs. Journalists that they mis-define bloggers and mis-define journalists in order to shoehorn them into that dichotomy. But "bloggers vs. journalists" is bad framing: http://scienceblogs.com/clock...
- Bora Zivkovic
More backtracking from @jason_pontin, "My entire argument is that both participatory journalism and pro journalism with its attendant media-as-a-business can flourish." http://twitter.com/jason_p... Well, Mister Clown, that's actually MY argument from four years ago in this post http://tr.im/kuL5 you mistakenly thought you were debunking. Where do you think the phrase "pro-am journalism" comes from?
- Jay Rosen
From the post. [amateurs] cannot be dismissed.... “Knowledge, once held tightly in the hands of professionals and their institutions, will start to flow into networks of dedicated amateurs,” says the report. “The crude, all or nothing, categories we use to carve up society – leisure versus work, professional versus amateur – will need to be rethought.” Written about other fields, these...
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- Jay Rosen
Just so you get the full picture of a clown in live action. On Twitter, I asked which of my posts he thought his manifesto was responding to. He answered. @jayrosen_nyu Well, *this*, http://bit.ly/Wg11L amongst much else: But you asked to be kept out of it and so I kept my peace. Link goes to Bloggers Vs. Journalists is Over. The clown then spends the next few Tweets agreeing with my post, probably because he failed to check on what it actually said beforehand. http://twitter.com/jason_p...
- Jay Rosen
this has the intellectual integrity of oppo research in campaigns... same kind of eye is required http://search.twitter.com/search...
- Jay Rosen
It keeps going - now saying that Shirky said what he did not actually say. Eh.
- Bora Zivkovic
So he is saying that he is looking for a new fusion of various elements of Old and New journalism, but then falls back on the us vs. them mindset when quoting out of context people like Dave and Clay. Which is it, then?
- Bora Zivkovic
Response http://bitly.com/1LTiKR by Dan Conover is excellent. In the meantime, he is still misrepresenting what Dave and Clay said. Then in one tweet he makes a statement, just to chastise someone for saying the same in the next tweet. Make up your mind? Or just do a mea culpa - got caught in intellectual laziness, bad day, happens to the best of us and move on.
- Bora Zivkovic
I wish we did not have a technical problem with Bloggingheads.tv last week (the guys there are valiantly trying to save it and post it one day, we hope), because Dave Dobbs and I went into a lot of detail on what kinds of print journalism WILL survive amidst the deaths of various big metro papers. I could just show that to Pontin....
- Bora Zivkovic
I'm not nearly as consistent when it comes to using careful language -- I've said that newspapers are doomed, with the only qualification being that I'm really talking about a culture, not a product. I'm also happy to leave the arguing to y'all... it hardly seems sporting at the moment. One thing I would point out is that his post includes some ideas (unrelated to his stunningly ill-advised critiques of other writers) that deserve more serious consideration within the circles he represents.
- Dan Conover
Dan, you are right. I am just having fun because he is circling the drain on Twitter being disinginious. It is not so much his article I am reacting to, but to his behavior on Twitter, very self-righteous and I-am-smarter-than-you attitude that needs some checking occasionally.
- Bora Zivkovic
What you call his stunningly ill-advised critiques of other writers I call "tweaking the gurus as a marketing method." If he had confidence in his ideas, he would not need that method of marketing them. There is nothing in his prescription for the future that depends on, or follows from his "critique" of other writers. It's an ornament on the car:: shiny, sexy, absurdly categorical, overplayed, distorted attackspeak that doesn't even connect with his argument for what the media business should do.
- Jay Rosen
Thinking of Tina's thread from yesterday: Some lady stopped me to say, "Can I ask you a personal question?" I said sure and she liked my jeans and wanted brand/cost: $35 Levi from Kohl's, my $$ pair. She was stunned, said she normally spends $200 per. Somehow I managed to keep my jaw off the floor. Do people really spend that?
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$200 for a pair of jeans? ouch! no way I'd ever spend that much on a pair of jeans.
- Imabug
You know how they say the rich are different? I just spent three nights on the spa floor at the Trump Tower in Chicago. There was a $25 bottle of water in my room, a TV in the bathroom mirror and a phone in the toilet stall. The rich aren't just different, they're out of their freaking minds.
- Dan Conover
Director&8217;s Blog & Blog Archive & The Current Outbreak of Swine Flu in the United States - http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=240
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A good rundown of the economic expectations we can have if confronted by various degrees of influenza pandemic. From a 2006 government study.
- Dan Conover
The easy way to set a consistent line-height throughout your web page - Web Design Stockholm - http://wbdsgn.com/blog...
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Nice piece on line-height and the baseline grid approach.
- Dan Conover
Great free apps for multimedia journalists & Adam Westbrook - http://adamwestbrook.wordpress.com/2009...
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Great collection of multimedia stuff you can and will use.
- Dan Conover
Nice! I tossed in a link to SIMILE's timeline widget, as they tend to be hard to come by (there was only one example there), and I love them. The more the merrier, I say.
- Ken Kennedy
Notes from the unification | yelvington.com - http://www.yelvington.com/notes-f...
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The notion of combining web and print newsrooms makes practical sense, but the cultural issues and pitfalls involved make it a tricky management problem. Steve Yelvington's list of lessons and problems should be a must-read for anyone making the move to a web-first combo news op.
- Dan Conover
TheDigitel launches new print edition, TheDigitel.print | TheDigitel.com - http://thedigitel.com/top-sto...
April Fools
- Dan Conover
TheDigitel launches new print edition, TheDigitel.print | TheDigitel.com - http://thedigitel.com/top-sto...
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Ha!
- Dan Conover
TheDigitel launches new print edition, TheDigitel.print | TheDigitel.com - http://thedigitel.com/top-sto...
April Fools
- Dan Conover
INDenverTimes » FAQ: InDenverTimes.com | The No. 1 site for insight, perspective and news in Denver. - http://www.indenvertimes.com/faq-ind...
subscription model
- Dan Conover
INDenverTimes » FAQ: InDenverTimes.com | The No. 1 site for insight, perspective and news in Denver. - http://www.indenvertimes.com/faq-ind...
subscription model
- Dan Conover
23 quarterbacks since McMahon, some memorable, some not so -- chicagotribune.com - http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...
List of Chicago QBs between McMahon and Cutler
- Dan Conover
Chicago Bears: 30 QB's in 30 Years -- chicagotribune.com - http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...
photo gallery
- Dan Conover
Chicago Bears: 30 QB's in 30 Years -- chicagotribune.com - http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...
photo gallery
- Dan Conover
23 quarterbacks since McMahon, some memorable, some not so -- chicagotribune.com - http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...
List of Chicago QBs between McMahon and Cutler
- Dan Conover
Sources: Google In Talks To Acquire Twitter (Updated) - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Is Twitter's value as a real-time search target? Makes sense to me. Maybe to Google as well.
- Dan Conover
Sources: Google In Talks To Acquire Twitter (Updated) - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Is Twitter's value as a real-time search target? Makes sense to me. Maybe to Google as well.
- Dan Conover
A Blog Around The Clock : Defining the Journalism vs. Blogging Debate, with a Science Reporting angle - http://scienceblogs.com/clock...
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Great, in-depth examination of the terms used in the ongoing "death of newspapers" discussion, from a scientist's perspective.
- Dan Conover
A Blog Around The Clock : Defining the Journalism vs. Blogging Debate, with a Science Reporting angle - http://scienceblogs.com/clock...
Bora's outstanding and in-depth reference to understanding the terms in the "death of newspapers / future of newspapers" discussion.
- Dan Conover
A Blog Around The Clock : Defining the Journalism vs. Blogging Debate, with a Science Reporting angle - http://scienceblogs.com/clock...
Bora's outstanding and in-depth reference to understanding the terms in the "death of newspapers / future of newspapers" discussion.
- Dan Conover
April 1: Media suffering financially - http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpre...
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Includes figures for broadcast and entertainement companies.
- Dan Conover
April 1: Media suffering financially - http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpre...
Includes figures for broadcast and entertainement companies.
- Dan Conover
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