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"Handing over your health care? What nonsense! How is the government going to give your grandma a hip transplant now? Are you arguing against government control of Medicare?" - Christian Crumlish

"he didn't "promise" you a public option, and he didn't then say he "never said it" - his plan included the idea of at least one public option on the exchange but he didn't "campaign on a public option" as the centerpiece of his healthcare plan. you say "there is" torture still going on. what evidence do you have for that?" - Christian Crumlish

"he didn't "promise" you a public option, and he didn't then say he "never said it" - his plan included the idea of at least one public option on the exchange but he didn't "campaign on a public option" as the centerpiece of his healthcare plan. you say "there is" torture still going on. what evidence do you have for that?" - Christian Crumlish

"yes, he definitely smoked weed. remember that cameo in the Woodstock movie? "Marijuana: Exhibit A"" - Christian Crumlish

"I was there last night. Pretty sweet setlist. I thought the band gelled more as the evening wore on. Your impressions?" - Christian Crumlish

"because the center of the country politically is now well *within* the Democratic party. The Republicans are virtually irrelevant, except insofar as they can get the Blue Dog Democrats to carry their water." - Christian Crumlish

"well, not really - since you substituted "KKK ties" for "being a segregationist" but enjoy your little pocket victory" - Christian Crumlish

"[deleted more condescending verbiage...] it's not that reconciliation is an "atom bomb" but that it is restricted by the Byrd rule: http://www.rules.house.gov/Archive..." - Christian Crumlish

"As you have reverted to a more civil tone (if still a bit condescending and pedantic), I'd be happy to review the sequence for you: 1. you started this particular branch of the thread with your accurate reminder to redditors of how they have misread obama. 2. nostromo replied to you, saying: "Obama was not right of all the other candidates, are you forgetting about Hillary Clinton?" etc. 3. You replied to nostromo, saying: "I most certainly am not [forgetting Hillary Clinton], and I think you're forgetting the candidates actual positions, if you ever bothered to even read them. Clinton's health care plan would have covered nearly everybody. She and Edwards basically shamed him into revising his own health care policy and becoming more liberal about it." (again, all accurate and in no way out of line with my own positions or views, although I did not recall all the details of Hillary's plan at the time, merely that it called for a mandate when Obama's did not, and that Krugman had..." - Christian Crumlish

"happy holidays" - Christian Crumlish

"how do they define financial hardship?" - Christian Crumlish

"the bill says they won't jail anyone" - Christian Crumlish

"or is this the one you're on tenterhooks for, awaiting a reply? how will obama's plan (with mandates) pass the senate? it already has! is this a trick question. I was never beating up Obama, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. you're the smart one, right?" - Christian Crumlish

"is this the one you say I didn't answer? is there a question there? and what is your point anyway?" - Christian Crumlish

"I am not aware of any. I am taking your ambiguous phrasing to include "former KKK ties" as that would apply to Byrd (as I'm sure you're not asserting he is actively tied to the KKK today, right?). I also think you are missing my point." - Christian Crumlish

"Yes, I am just stupid and you are smart." - Christian Crumlish

"cool, so then it's 17/18th full! yays" - Christian Crumlish

"> By treating terrorists like common criminals, his administration has basically told the leaders of Al Quaeda that they no longer control the American political agenda. FTFY" - Christian Crumlish

"also, look to things like the [CCC](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...]) now for more current affiliations, to wit: > In 1993, Mike Huckabee, then the Lieutenant Governor of Arkansas, agreed to speak at the CofCC's national convention in Memphis, Tennessee. By the time of the convention, Huckabee was unable to leave Arkansas. Instead, he sent a videotaped speech, which "was viewed and extremely well received by the audience," according to the CofCC newsletter.[7] In April 1994, Huckabee withdrew from a speaking engagement before the CofCC. He commented, "I will not participate in any program that has racist overtones. I've spent a lifetime fighting racism and anti-Semitism."[8]" - Christian Crumlish

"sure, but Byrd repudiated those views and has expressed shame about his former KKK ties. Dixiecrats who became Republicans moved with the mainstream of bigotry." - Christian Crumlish

"glass half-empty" - Christian Crumlish

"politico is a b.s. drudge-magnet. the senate HELP committe accepted 150 republican amendments. fuck the village "centrist" consensus." - Christian Crumlish

"he gave away *everything*? I was going to call hyperbole but given your username I suppose it must seem that way" - Christian Crumlish

"i see you're also a coward, posting hit-and-run comments and then deleting them. you wrote, "bah, another bullshit troll that won't even debate the points. useless." my response: > if you look at the rest of my comments on this site, you'll see that I engage people who can make coherent arguments and who understand what they're reading and who aren't potty-mouthed children, with respect. > oafs with anger-management issues get the attention they deserve. perhaps you did look at the rest of my comments, saw that I do debate points and am not a troll, and decided to put your head back up your ass?" - Christian Crumlish

"you're all a pack of cards!" - Christian Crumlish

"oh, I thought you were talking about Hillary's 2008 plan! Yes, Clinton's plan was an overhaul of health "care" as well as deliver, with an emphasis on managed care. It was also "DOA" when it reached Congress, for reasons only partly the fault of the Clintons. Another difference between ClintonCare '93 and ObamaCare '09 is that ClintonCare failed to pass and set back the progressive parts of the Clinton agenda, leaving us with 16 years of no progress on health care or health insurance reform, whereas ObamaCare looks like it just might pass and thus ma move the football at least a few yards down the field." - Christian Crumlish

"> There has been considerable (and business-as-usual) “concern trolling” from bill killers and it goes like this: “We’re worried about the political impact on President Obama and Democratic legislators because the insurance subsidies don’t take full effect until 2014.” US Senator Paul Kirk, who fills Ted Kennedy’s seat in Washington, explained the other day, however, those aspects of this bill [that will take effect immediately](http://www.dailykos.com/storyon...), most bringing significant immediate benefit to the people: > > “…with all due respect to my friend Chairman Dean, he is just plain wrong. He states that few Americans will see any benefit under this bill until 2014. In fact, as early as 2010 the Senate bill will do the following: > > "Establish a high-risk pool that will give uninsured Americans with a pre-existing condition access to coverage; > > "Prohibit insurance companies from dropping coverage for Americans because they get sick; > > "Prohibit the..." - Christian Crumlish

"remind me what was more liberal about Clinton's plan?" - Christian Crumlish

"I don't there is a trigger anymore. That's what Snowe wanted. Lieberman opposed even that." - Christian Crumlish

"but but but!" - Christian Crumlish

"i'd love to hear your plan to get to single payer (which I favor) politically. (hint: calling people 'idiot' may not do it)" - Christian Crumlish