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WAIT HOW DID YOU GUYS ALL FAIL TO REALIZE THAT TODAY IS INTERNATIONAL CAPS LOCK DAY? IT'S LIKE, AKIVA'S SPECIAL HOLIDAY.
Yuval Atzmon, Yaniv Golan, Ton Zijp and 56 other people liked this
http://capslockday.com/
- Rochelle
OMG. THIS TIME LAST YEAR I SHOT UP TO THE 8TH OR SO MOST ACTIVE FRIENDFEED USER.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I ALSO SHOT UP SOME HEROINS
- Akiva Moskovitz
YOU SHOULDN'T DO THAT TO HEROINES
- Jason Wehmhoener
THAT'S A MIGHTY IMPORTANT "E" RIGHT THERE.
- Ha3rvey (not Akiva)
I KNEW ABOUT IT. I TOLE EVERYONE BUT THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE ME. EVEN AFTER I SHOWED THEM THE BLACK SANTA.
- Steven Perez
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- AJ Batac
Looks like the Capslockday owner can't spell INT[E]RNATIONAL though.
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
I'm not a fan of all caps. Instead, my preference is for unicase #typography aka alphabet26 by Bradbury Thompson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
SPELLING DOESNT MATTER WHEN YOU USE ALL CAPS!!!!
- veo
OMG! I CAN'T BELIEVE I FORGOT THIS DAY. I AM ALSO CHEATING BY USING THE SHIFT KEY INSTEAD OF CAPSLOCK. DOES THIS MAKE ME A FAILURE ON CAPSLOCK DAY?
- Her Lindsay-ness
WHY YES. YES IT DOES.
- Akiva Moskovitz
HOW DID *I* MISS THIS. I AM NEARLY AS OBSESSED WITH ALLCAPS AS AKIVA IS. NEARLY.
- Sparky, a big deal
ZOMG!!!11!!! HOW COULD I FORGET?????
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I DIDN'T FORGET http://friendfeed.com/theycal... THAT"S WHAT YOU GET FOR NOT READING MY FEED
- Alan Simpson
DO ANYBODY NO HOW TO TURN OFF MY CAPS LOCK?!
- Jason Huebel
DO ANYBODY NO WHY YOU'D WANT TO
- Akiva Moskovitz
WHAT? WHATT?? WHAAATTT???? WWWWWHHHHHAAAAAAATTTTTT??????????!!!!!!!!
- Didier Lahely
JASON, YOU CANT ITS PERMANENT. I KNOW BECAUSE IT HAPPENED TO ME. [to paraphrase the Yahoo! Answers answer.] OMG HOWD I JUST TYPE LOWERCASE IM CURED. OH CRAP IM NOT.
- Kamilah Gill
OMG CAPATTACK
- Mo Kargas
Yahoo: The Internet is Under New Mangement ‘Ours’ - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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Yaniv Golan, Craig Sheldon, Daniel Rowley and 18 other people liked this
Yesterday the Yahoo! executive who reportedly oversaw Flickr resigned from Yahoo! according to TechCrunch. It was also reported yesterday that Yahoo has now retained Goodby, Silverstein and Partners to somehow try and recover from their failing marketing campaign. While Yahoo censors paintings of classical nudes from public museums, their employees are off getting public lap dances at Yahoo “Hack Day.” How can Yahoo seriously expect us to accept their $100 million marketing big lie that "the internet is under new management, yours," when they carelessly and maliciously destroy customer data without so much as a warning? Yahoo’s new $100 million marketing campaign should not read "the internet is under new management yours." It should read "the internet is under new management ours."
- Thomas Hawk
Nice post Thomas. Although I do not necessarily agree with all of the recent negativity about Yahoo! in the recent weeks, I do agree with a lot of the issues, especially the deletion of accounts etc.. It is good to see that there seems to be some hope that they turn it around for the better again. We shall see...
- Mike Hellers
I don't think all Yahoo is bad Mike, I'm probably still smarting over the fact that they nuked the one group on Flickr where I was super active, DMU (which has now moved to friendfeed), and that they refuse to consider reforming their practice of nuking groups and user accounts without warning or allowing photographers to self correct what they see as TOS/CG problems. Destroying a group...
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- Thomas Hawk
Wonder if the outage yesterday had anything to do with him leaving?
- Andrew Smith
Are you able to comment on what's up at Zooomr Thomas? At this point I don't intend to renew my Flickr Pro account and Zooomr was on my list however there doesn't seem to be much development going on there anymore.
- Kenton
Kenton, I'm not sure what Kristopher is doing at Zooomr right now. He'd be better positioned to answer any questions about development there than I would at present.
- Thomas Hawk
Thanks Thomas I wasn't sure if you were still involved much there or not.
- Kenton
Kenton, there is a new version of Zooomr in development (it was being translated to English from Japanese last I heard) called Zest, but I don't know when it will be released. I think he intends to send it to beta first.
- Celine Chamberlin
I noticed that Celine. Just wasn't sure if it was the "next" Zooomr or an additional product. Thanks for the info.
- Kenton
Developers: If you find yourself contemplating the implementation of custom scroll bars for any reason whatsoever, please take a cold shower instead. Thank you.
April Russo (app103), Alfredo, Daniel J. Pritchett and 47 other people liked this
1. SAP. No keyboard control, unintuitive response rate. 2. Google Wave. Ditto, plus buggy behavior as well. 3. Some random Flash site where the scroll bar tab didn't even move when you scrolled down.
- Stephen Mack
I can't think of any site or app where novel scroll bar design was anything other than a misfeature. The native UI has ~seven scroll bar behaviors, and custom designs always forget at least one of them. Trust me, users will NOT appreciate the creativity of your design.
- Stephen Mack
Reminds me of those OMG EXTREEEEEEEEEME overclocking and system monitoring tools that came with some motherboards that had all kinds of Doom/Quake-like crap flying out of the entirely customized window. It looked goofy and dumb.
- Akiva Moskovitz
OMG Wave's scrollbars are teh sux0r. I detest Google's scrollbars in general, but these make me think they hate people.
- Anika
The Google Wave one especially makes NO SENSE.
- joey
Akiva, I bet those apps were outsourced and the developers charged by the line. Anika, Joey: Agreed -- Google Wave's scroll bars seem to exist solely to make you appreciate the native scrollbars so much more. Who spent the time implementing that real-time shadow? Was there nothing more productive for that developer to do instead?
- Stephen Mack
amen to that! don't break standard browser controls!!!!
- .LAG liked that
Pretty much applies to all default controls of the operating systems...
- Jemm
Full disclosure: I work at Google, but not on Wave. I'm usually completely on board with the idea that we should leave native scrollbars alone, but before you assume that they were reimplemented just for fun, consider the problem they're trying to solve: Native scrollbars do not handle arbitrarily long scrollable areas well. Take a gigantic document and drag a native scrollbar one...
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- Joel Webber
I have yet to see a good reason for a custom scrollbar. I especially hate Adobe's custom scrollbars in web apps, for the reasons cited above.
- Brian Johns
Stephen, apparently that was more important than allowing users to remove themselves from a wave or delete a wave ;)
- joey
Luckily you can remove yourself from Google Wave by simply not using it. Google Wave is basically a research project, just like demos at SIGCHI. Don't confuse it with a real product. (Yes, it is possible to use it for communication, but you could also use the two paper cups with string attached my cousins made last week)
- Cristo
I fully admit that Wave has a lot of details that remain to be ironed out, but it's completely unreasonable to call it "not a real product". I use it in my day to day work very heavily, and couldn't survive without it. Our team is highly distributed, and Wave has really helped us keep long complex discussions from turning into email clusterfscks. Which they usually did in the past.
- Joel Webber
Cristo, your cousins sure are innovative ;)
- joey
Joel, I'm quite certain that you could survive without it. Highly distributed teams have been rumored to exist for years before Google Wave was even conceived.
- Cristo
Thanks, Cristo. I really needed an extra dose of pedantry today. I'm absolutely certain you're right to suggest that the problems of distributed teams are perfectly solved, so no new tool could possibly improve the situation. I and my team must be hallucinating to think it's helping us at all.
- Joel Webber
Joel, I think Cristo was pointing out that your use of the phrase "couldn't survive without it" may be a touch hyperbolic. :) You may not be as productive, but he is arguing that you would still exist as a team of living beings.
- Stephen Mack
Joel, thanks for providing the rationale behind why Wave is reimplementing scrollbars. My main concerns are: 1. I'm used to being able to use the arrow keys to scroll. But when in a wave but not editing, the arrow keys do nothing. Same for Home and End. (Fortunately Page Up and Page Down do work, but that's not enough.) 2. The scroll widget is always the same size, so you can't tell how...
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- Stephen Mack
I don't think anyone would complain if the scroll bars were replaced with something better. From what I've seen, this is not better.
- pitlord
If it's any consolation, negative reaction to the scroll bars in Google Wave have distracted everyone from how much they dislike Flash custom scroll bars. (I just typo'd that as "scroll barfs." How fitting.)
- Stephen Mack
@Stephen: 1. The arrow keys here is that they (along with home/end) are used to move among blips, which one could argue is the closest corollary to the "line by line" one would normally associate with up/down arrow keys. 2. When you're dragging, the shadow is the proportional part, rather than the widget itself. This avoids the problem in traditional scroll bars, where the...
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- Joel Webber
BTW, please don't assume I mean to be the great defender of all that is perfect about Wave's scrollbars. I only intend to help explain what I perceive as a legitimate problem they're trying to solve. I'm certain they're a lot that still needs be tweaked about them.
- Joel Webber
Joel, thanks for the explanations. For 1, you're right, arrow keys are working for me now. (I had trouble previously.) So that's great. For 2, I don't see that at all -- the height of the shadow grows/shrinks seemingly based on velocity and then achieves a maximum height, but as far as I can tell unrelated to what's visible on the screen. 3. I would never have guessed that, but sorry,...
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- Stephen Mack
Flickr Nukes DMU - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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nivcalderon, Ricardo Liberato, Holger Eilhard and 42 other people liked this
very disturbing ,,,, just as I was looking at the Mashable Site ,, on there 4 Billion images ,,
- johnpiercy
Flickr is such a disappointment. The only thing more disappointing is that Zooomr never quite made it over that last hump that could have made it a real alternative.
- Jeremy Brooks
talking about the group deletion in the FF DMU group right now: http://friendfeed.com/dmu
- Thomas Hawk
care to explain for those unfamiliar with DMU what it was all about?
- Michael Bravo
"Rather than delete a single offending thread or offer any type of alternative arrangement flickr simply nuked the group." -- Maybe Yahoo! should just nuke Flickr entirely.
- Cristo
"Flickr just nuked deleteme uncensored. A group with a long tradition on Flickr with over 5,000 posts and 3,000 members all gone, instantly. Flickr objected to discussions in the group which they said violated Flickr’s TOS. This was done without warning. Rather than delete a single offending thread or offer any type of alternative arrangement flickr simply nuked the group. It is clear...
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- RAPatton
from iPhone
Micheal DMU was a very popular group on flickr. It was an uncensored forum that had lasted about 4 years. Many of us spent hundreds if not thousands of hours in there. It had a rich and unique history. It was one of the most active forums on flickr and they just nuked it out of existence. It was also one of the few uncensored forums on flickr. It's a sad day actually.
- Thomas Hawk
wow that's disturbing
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
When will people figure out that Flickr (Yahoo) does not want your business. Someone needs to create an alternative.
- CW™
I was one of the founders of the group and shared admin responsibility with three others. There was no warning given to me. Poof. One minute it was completely gone, obliterated, followed by a notification that it had been deleted and the following note as explanation from Heather Champ: "Unfortunately, recent events in DMU have escalated to such a point that we can no longer host your...
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- Thomas Hawk
@jeremybrooks "... The only thing more disappointing is that Zooomr never quite made it over that last hump that could have made it a real alternative ..." Disagree. Zoomer is always going to be an alternative when flickr keeps deleting without transparency and without a restore. I'm just kicking myself I didn't consider zoomer when I added flickr redundancy at smumug.
- Peter Renshaw
and just like that flickr locks down the thread in the help forum complaining about the group being nuked. http://www.flickr.com/help...
- Thomas Hawk
@Peter: Don't get me wrong. I love Zooomr -- I post everything there as well as to Flickr. It showed so much promise at first though, and some of the features have not been developed fully. They still have some features (like Portals and SmartSets) that Flickr does not have.
- Jeremy Brooks
Heather Champ's (the community manager who deleted the group at Flickr) tweet within minutes of the time she nuked the group: "I hate your freedom."
- Thomas Hawk
I'm going to side with Yahoo! on this one. It's wrong for them to censor photos or hide them without the user knowing. This is a different issue, though. They have every right to delete user forums that violate their TOS. I don't blame them for not wanting to host a forum for flame wars, threats, and personal recriminations.
- Luke Ibis
the problem is though Luke anything can be deemed to violate Flickrs TOS/CG. You can have your account deleted or your forum deleted on Flickr for being "that guy."
- Thomas Hawk
What kind of posts or comments led to breaking the ToS? Just curious.
- Sally Church
killing over 5,000 conversations in a forum with over 3,000 members, many hours long, built by people who put an *enormous* amount of energy into them of which 99.9% had no violations of any measure is overkill of massive proportion. Flickr could have easily killed any individual thread that they felt violated their TOS. This, compounded with the fact that there was no warning given nor any previous violation on the part of this group is a massive overreaction on Flickr's part.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm not sure 100% Sally, I suspect that it was the post where a user made threats of violence yesterday in the group. Still Flickr could have warned or deleted that user account if that was the issue, they did not need to nuke 5,000 conversations permanently and irrevocably. Many of these threads contained specific information about photography, gear, cameras, etc.
- Thomas Hawk
Perhaps you should have separated the 'specific information about photography, gear, cameras, etc.' from the vulgar personal attacks on Flickr staff. Then Flickr could have removed the one while leaving the other alone.
- Pat Rice
P.S. I look forward to the day when Mr. Hawk starts his own online photography service. I will sign up for a free account & make a vulgar nuisance of myself. If he tries to stop me, I will scream CENSORSHIP!
- Pat Rice
Pat there were not vulgar personal attacks on flickr staff in dmu. Why would you say that? There are a few in the new dmu now (none by me) but that's because people are really pissed off about having their group nuked after investing thousands of hours in it. Why would you say that there were vulgar personal attacks on Flickr staff in dmu before flickr nuked it. That's simply not true.
- Thomas Hawk
The first comment on http://friendfeed.com/dmu... appears to contain a warning from Heather to Thomas Hawk about vulgar personal attacks on Flickr staff made in the group: "Additionally, if you're all having a good time bashing the crap out of each other, fine. If at any time, any member of Flickr complains about actions there, we will review the activity and if necessary terminate the group. I hope our thoughts are clear." Perhaps I misread it.
- Pat Rice
Pat that email was sent *after* the group was already nuked. Obviously people who put hundreds of hours and an incredible amount of energy and emotion into an online group were upset when flickr nuked it. They didn't have to nuke it. They could have, for instance, locked it down and removed whatever offended them at least leaving a rich archive that was largely inoffensive. That link...
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- Thomas Hawk
It would be pertinent, at this point, to ask why, exactly, do you still bother with flickr at all? They seem to be your major source of aggravation, lately. I'd have quit on them long ago, or at least I would not have made them such an important part of my online presence.
- Ade
I find it a bit perplexing that people think nuking based on 'terms of service' is ok without warning or wonder why you bother with the service. I think it's part of the essence of community not to simply move every time some idiot gets into power (think about how many Mayors or jerky bureaucrats you've met in your life)...and in stead fight to try and ensure a healthy community....
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- leigh himel
I would comment on this, but I don't want Flickr to nuke me.
- James Myatt
WTF?
- Tyson Key
It's not clear what "There were no vulgar attacks on flickr staff ever in DMU at any time prior to the warning you link to now given in regards to a new group that's ben set up." means, unless it's an admission that Flickr warned you to play nicely, but you didn't, so Flickr deleted your group.
- Pat Rice
Also: last I checked, the First Amendment doesn't say, "Thomas Hawk & friends are allowed to post whatever pictures they want on Flickr, and say anything they want in Flickr groups and in the Flickr help forum, without regard for the Flickr TOS or even common courtesy." If you find the Flickr TOS burdensome, start your own service.
- Pat Rice
@Pat: did somebody mention the First Amendment (before you did?) How exactly does that fit here, in light of actions taken by a private party?
- Anthony Citrano
Pat indeed. Nobody is saying this is a first amendment issue except you. I've never said that flickr is not within their legal rights to delete whatever content they want. I've said it's bad business practice, reflects poorly on Yahoo and is in direct opposition to their current multi-million dollar marketing campaign. This is not a first amendment issue at all. Given that you know...
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- Thomas Hawk
and how is my saying that there were never any vulgar attacks on flickr staff an admission that flickr warned us to "play nicely" prior to nuking the group? There was never any warning from Flickr to the admins of the group that was nuked regarding it's deletion of any kind before Flickr nuked it. That's a fact. After the group was nuked, a new group sprung up (that I'm not a member of)...
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- Thomas Hawk
Thomas Hawk is in the habit of using the word 'censorship' whenever Flickr enforces its TOS. I just thought I'd pre-empt him this time. It would be helpful if Mr. Hawk posted an accurate timeline of all communication between Flickr staff and the admins of the group in question, up to the time the group was deleted. Given his history of making a great hairy nuisance of himself to Flickr staff, his silence suggests the current tempest is just more of the same.
- Pat Rice
Pat the *only* communication between Flickr staff and the admins of the group prior to the group deletion is below. The group was completely destroyed within seconds of receiving this email: "Hi Thomas Hawk, ** This warning is being sent to all admins of DMU ** In joining Flickr, you agreed to abide by the Yahoo! Terms of Service and Community Guidelines. Specifically, you must not...
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- Thomas Hawk
Forgive me for just making the connection now, but this is obviously a direct result of the Thomas <-> James swordfight, no?
- Anthony Citrano
I believe it is Anthony. I was never informed by Flickr as to the exact issue that they had with the thread though.
- Thomas Hawk
Why did you opt to leave that out of this story? Not picking on you, but now that I'm aware of that situation, the context it adds seems conspicuous by its absence.
- Anthony Citrano
Anthony, first off, I'm not even sure that's what it is. The email nuking the group was vague and ambiguous. They've never communicated with me the reason. I'm speculating on my part. It would assume that it was related to that. But I'm not really sure "why" the group was deleted is so relevant. If you have two people who have an issue (one of whom is making threats of violence which is...
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- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, I know how hard (impossible) it is to see something objectively when you're right in the middle of it - but from where I sit, here on the outside, there's no real doubt that your and James’ horseplay was the catalyst for the group deletion. You said it's not relevant, and perhaps you're right, but to me it seems like an important part of the story.
- Anthony Citrano
It's certainly been reported many places Anthony, including my own blog prior to the group being nuked and as linked to in the help forum where I'm still banned in my post yesterday. It certainly was not omitted purposely. This post here is actually very short and was written quickly after the group was nuked. I followed up with a more thoughtful post yesterday. But sorry if you felt all of those details should have been in this story as well. Happy to discuss any of them.
- Thomas Hawk
I would still maintain though that a skirmish between two members of a group (no matter *what* the skirmish) ought not to result in a group of 3,000 members being nuked without warning. If anything delete the accounts of the two individuals. Don't punish 2,998 members for the actions of 2. That said there were a lot of ways that Flickr could have handled this better including locking the group down but maintaining the 99.9% of the threads which were in no way considered offensive.
- Thomas Hawk
I didn't think it omitted maliciously; was just curious the logic behind the omission. But you've answered. To the second point, people need to separate two things: A: the action (the monkeybusiness b/w you two) and B: the reaction (by flickR). I know they are inextricably tied, but each do deserve discussion. The 2998 members were “punished” by both A and B. Just because B is idiotic...
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- Anthony Citrano
Flickr's behaviour was a bit abrupt, but DMU being deleted was an accident waiting to happen – the admins were never really entitled to host an 'uncensored' group, as they were always subject to Flickr's rules. And although the deletion related to one incident, DMU always had a very antagonistic atmosphere that had the propensity to give rise to abusive discourse. Also, this isn't the same as deleting someone's work; the only thing lost is old discussions that almost no one would have read again anyway.
- sally white
Oh Sally, you are so wrong. You were not a part of that community. We had a nine page thread called listen to DJ Mo. It was full of great music links. It was frequently accessed, it may sound stupid but we had a significant thread of gifs that we were all collecting together. Mo's stupid photography questions was a frequently accessed thread full of great photo advice for people,...
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- Thomas Hawk
Do You Find This Painting Obscene? - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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Pierre Honeyman, Wai Seto, chaz2b and 52 other people liked this
Ask yourself this — do you find this painting obscene? There are no warnings regarding it’s placement in the museums all ages gallery. And why is it not ok to show the backside of painting of a woman in a museum, but it seems perfectly fine for people to show full frontal nudity of the famous statue of Michelangelo’s David? isn’t it a double standard for Flickr to say that great art of females ought to be treated differently than great art of males. The basic problem is that the Censorship Division at Flickr is unchecked. They’ve been given unlimited power over who sees our images and who does not. Flickr relevancy to our culture is too important not to resist these intrusions. Censoring great works of art is an insult to all photographers and artists. Like the Victorians of yesteryear who ruined many sculptures by plastering fig leafs over their private parts, Flickr wields the censors sword flippantly and seemingly without consequence. This is bad for morale, bad for Flickr/Yahoo’s...
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- Thomas Hawk
No.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
the latest image of mine that Flickr has censored.
- Thomas Hawk
Of course not.
- Todd Hoff
Obscene, no. An example of why painters should study anatomy, yes. (This is one of the many reasons I'm weaning myself off of Flickr.)
- Jennifer Dittrich
Not obscene. Who are they protecting anyway? This reminded me of something I heard the on NPR about people in Seattle being upset that their kids maybe exposed to a nude cyclist from time to time at the park or a local festival. GET OVER IT. Kids are not scared by nudity. Behavior yes. So as long as the naked people are minding their own business... not an issue. This surprises me from Flickr, how do they justify this? #puritancolonyethics #liveuptothefoundingfathersintentions
- SAM
nudity is not obscene unless sexually explicit - kids certainly are not traumatised by nudity - never understood that anglo saxon hangup
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Flickr currently has this image censored in my photostream. They censored it behind my back. I hate it when they do that. Thousands of children view this image every year as it hangs in an all ages gallery at the Art Institute of Chicago.
- Thomas Hawk
SAM, they justify it because the Censorship Division at Flickr seemingly has no accountability to anyone.
- Thomas Hawk
Exactly Joelle. Thomas: They don't even email you to let you know they feel some of your content is objectionable?
- SAM
Not obscene enough ;)
- Jemm
Nope
- CW™
It's irrelevant whether the image is obscene. What matters is whether the Flickr TOS were violated. It's a picture of a painting of a nude woman. Was the image properly tagged (as Moderate, I imagine)? Then again, the painting wasn't created by Thomas Hawk, so perhaps posting a picture of it violates the "upload content that you have created" part of the Flickr Community Guidelines.
- Pat Rice
from twhirl
No
- Lars Clausen
that's beautiful! Of course it's not obscene...jeez, what's next, just showing the wrists or ankles on a woman is going to be considered obscene!?!
- Kamala Whitaker
Pat, so why does the backside of a painting of a woman by a famous artist violate the Flickr TOS while the front side of Michelango's David seems perfectly fine? Isn't it a bit of a double standard to try and enforce a policy whereby hundreds of (use your own favorite euphemism for male member) are allowed unfettered on Flickr while a female's behind is not? Both are great works of art, why censor one and not the other?
- Thomas Hawk
I'd be fine with that Pat, I'd appreciate the publicity. But you've neglected to answer the question as to why it is ok for flickr users to photograph and post Michelangelo's David statue showing full nude male frontal genitalia while a photo of a similar work of famous art is censored when it depicts the backside of a female.
- Thomas Hawk
Absolutely not obscene! Pathetic that some might think it obscene. In school I learnt about the great painters and most of them had nudes, some a lot more full frontal and yet it was about the art, not about the nudity. I would have no problems showing these type of pictures to my kids who are all under ten. The human body is amazing and beautiful and should be glorified!
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Nup
- Amy
No. Wow Pat, nice attempt to derail the convo. Did you know STUDENTS in EUROPE frequently spend DAYS at museums stealing from the Great Masters -- by making illegal copies of paintings! Not photographs, actual paintings! The horror! Think of the dead artist's great great grandchildren! Now, if you want to contemplate something worth while, what if I were to make an oil painting of one...
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- Richard ¿digame? Walker
I dont find it obscene. There are many paintings, like you said, hanging in art museums all over the world that have this kind of scene.
- Shevonne
I'll give a hint to what I think is the correct answer: How much you "borrowed" depends on how much interpretation that person put in. Since Thomas interprets quite a bit, that would be the problem. That you used an ARTISTIC photo without permission. However, making a single fine art painting is unlikely to "damage" Thomas or make the photo less valuable. The litho series is where it becomes a serious violation. Mass production.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
There is literally more explicit nudity on the walls and ceiling of the Vatican than that.
- Alex Scrivener
Many Americans have issues with nudity - often equating it with pornography - and apparently being unable to discern the difference. Silly while all around us media is awash in sexual imagery. The more humans attempt to control something the greater attraction it has. Where nudity is no big thing there is far less pornography just as where everyone drinks wine with meals there are fewer...
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- Internet Strategist
Not at all. It's quite beautiful. +1 for the dimples, too. ;-)
- Jason Huebel
Obscenity laws in America are obscene.
- Ankush Narula
In a word, no.
- Helen Sventitsky
Yes, but in a good way ;-)
- Rubin Sfadj
whats obscene! we've created in the first place:)
- samantha
I like how I can post this image to FriendFeed and don't have to worry about it being censored. Maybe Flickr ought to consider replacing their censorship division with FriendFeed's censorship division. I think it would be a big step forward for them. That Flickr thinks that they have to "protect" their users from images like this is absurd.
- Thomas Hawk
Obscene, no; Mature, possibly, but you might see more at a news stand or magazine rack.
- Grant Bierman
Thomas, I appreciate your continuing efforts to bring this stuff to light. I think we all agree that Flickr is owned by a company that can set their own rules. That said, their place in society has become very important...they are essentially running an ongoing documentary of life on Earth circa 2009. I wish they would start taking their place in the world a bit more seriously and...
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- Luke Ibis
The emphasis on whether this painting is obscene or not is a distraction from the real issue: Flickr moderated Mr. Hawk's image. They didn't warn him that they were going to do it, or inform him afterward that they had done it. They didn't explain why they did it. (But did he ever ask?) Is this censorship? In a word, no. The image is still there, people can still see it (provided they...
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- Pat Rice
It would appear that the moderation has been removed: the image is now marked "Anyone can see this photo". Perhaps Mr. Hawk appealed the moderation - politely, one hopes - and Flickr acknowledged that a mistake had been made.
- Pat Rice
Pat, flickr doesn't own the image,Thomas does, so if they block him posting to FF, there are other issues they would need to address. The problems with censorship is that you need to be consistent, otherwise you run the risk of being hypocritical, and it's pretty clear that in this case there was a lack of consistency.
- Deepak Singh
Pat, Flickr has not removed the restriction. This is the second version of this image that I've posted. The first version is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos... That image is still censored by them. I appealed their decision via email today and received the following reply back from Flickr staffer Terrence: "As per our Community Guidelines, Female breasts,...
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- Thomas Hawk
I sent a follow up email back to Terrence asking him if this prohibition only applies to females and why, for instance, Michelangelo's sculpture (with full frontal male nudity) is not censored, but I have not heard back from him yet. Hopefully I will soon. It is ridiculous that they would censor this image on Flickr and I hope to have this decision reversed. The Censorship Division at...
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- Thomas Hawk
No ...but it's probably NSFW
- .LAG liked that
I think Terrence answered your question. You didn't follow the rules Thomas. They are at the least being consistsnt. If you properly labled the pic it would have been left alone. Flickr never said it was obsene they just want those people who are sensitive to the issue to be able to filter it out.
- Jason Williams
from iPhone
1st of all when did the human body become obscene? Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder but to me this is a beautiful work of art. Those who choose to add a negative stigma to it are already sick in the mind.
- Jeunelle Foster
no the picture is not obscene.
- Kim Landwehr
not obscene
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
So, I had to click through a warning page to see the original image. But I could still see it. How, then, is Mr. Hawk being censored?
- Pat Rice
Not obscene to me, but that of course depends on your cultural background. What I believe the web needs are 'global' standards against censorship and a strong institution to enforce them. Both of which is probably a long way from being put into place. E.g. I think in the US those issues are pretty much left to the companies while in Germany we would ask government or other officials to...
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- Jens Holze
FireFox: I used to love you. Really. You remember!! But now I feel like, I dunno... you're not the Fox I fell in love with. These days I can barely stand you enough to even get near you. 2 GB of memory? Spikes to 100% of CPU? Unwatchable Flash video? Sorry, but I've really gotta find a way to quit you.
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The way to fast FF. 1.Maybe you uninstall some extension or firefox add-on., 2.Install FasterFox and use turbo speed. ;)
- Panu Wattanasin
I'm so glad I'm not the only one. I've tried disabling all extensions... but then why not Chrome?
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
I have had issues with firefox for a while. I don't use extensions and it is the slowest thing around. I I have found Safari and Stainless to be the most reliable browsers that I use. Chrome is way to unstable. It crashes within a couple minutes every time I try to use it.
- Corey Harris
I stick with Firefox cuz she knows all the special tricks I like. Opera is my mistress... she's always waiting in the background for the times I lose my patience. :)
- Gus
Works OK here on Linux with more than 60 extensions installed. My machine is pretty old and has only 1GB of RAM. I think it's some add-on or combination of add-ons that causes it, not FF itself.
- prozacfield
Chrome is simply not ready for prime time, especially for us Mac kids. I only have FF extensions installed that I really need/use; nothing extraneous. I've also - like Corey and Richard - tried disabling *all* my add-ons for extended periods and the issues persist. It's the product, not the add-ons. Finally, if I can't use my add-ons, I might as well not use FireFox, because that's the main reason I've stuck with FF so long.
- Anthony Citrano
lol
- echostreamer
Holy crap, 100% CPU usage? Wtf are you doing on Firefox?? 0_o
- Maxamad
Chrome's great on Windows - not so good on OSX
- Don Bonaddio
I found CoolIris was slowing down my Firefox so I uninstalled it and installed it on Flock instead. Now when I need to use it I just go to Flock. I think I'm going to install anything bloaty that I like on Flock. Then keep Firefox really zippy with only greasemonkey and a few key extensions while going to Flock for the other stuff whenever I need to.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas Hawk: How you find that ex. made your FF slow?
- Amin
Agree with Thomas that CoolIris slows down FF but removing CoolIris doesn't seem to make FF much more usable from here...
- Anthony Citrano
I've already given up on FF ... i stuck with it way too long and the problems just wouldn't go away. So far i am liking Chrome on the Mac for what i want it to do ... that is not to say that i feel seriously crippled trying to use Chrome like i used to use FF. Can't wait for it to become stable enough for regular use. But i wonder where the FF i knew has gone to :(
- Bhowmik Shah
the extensions and plugins can really wreak havoc on FFox... especially on windows. switched to Mac and using a minimal set of extensions, much better now...
- Juho Tunkelo
And then there was a flash of light, and Chrome..
- Rohit
I moved to Chrome on Windows at the beginning of this year, and Safari 4 on Macs. Their speed at opening is similar, and paramount for me to the point that I am willing to do without extensions. I found that FF has become as bloated as IE and - unfortunately - as much of a security risk. One good drive-by malware install off an ad, and it took me days to recover. That simply doesn't...
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- Cole Jolley
If you keep upgrading Firefox instead of reinstalling every major release, the gunk accumulated over time *will* wreak havoc with your Firefox. If your Firefox starts behaving strangely or annoyingly, try a complete reinstallation: Uninstall, remove your Firefox profile dirs, then reinstall. This is not Firefox's fault per se, but because of complex interaction between Firefox, extensions, and plug-ins. Not to mention some extensive datastore evolution (e.g., migration to SQLite)
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
from fftogo
I gave up on Firefox and switched to Chrome.
- Mike Reynolds
I didn't give up on ffx but I've been using chrome primarilly for almost a year now.
- Chris Heath
from iPhone
Inside Lightroom » Black and White Presets - http://inside-lightroom.com/black-a...
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I've found Nik's Silver efex Pro to be better than any black and white presets I've seen yet for doing interesting bw conversions.
- Thomas Hawk
My favorite b&w presets are Michael Gray's film emulation presets: http://lifeindigitalfilm.com
- Michael Hocter
Thanks guys, I'll take a look at both. I've tinkered with Silver efex Pro - definitely powerful. I haven't seen the film emulation presets - will try them out.
- Blake Caldwell
הסטארט אפ השקוף: מתחייבים בחוסר ודאות - http://www.thecoils.com/2009...
Yaniv Golan liked this
are you finally back?
- Sharon Vardi
How to Unlock the Amazing Secret of Unlimited Productivity - http://www.mattcutts.com/blog...
NaHi, Daniel Rowley, Space Cowboy and 32 other people liked this
That's totally brilliant!
- imabonehead
yo, respect!
- righini riprova
I laugh so much, that I could'nt stop.
- bellegarde-webb
It's times like this I wish there were a "Love" link.
- Tom Stocky
The technology behind Tornado, FriendFeed's web server - Bret Taylor's blog - http://bret.appspot.com/entry...
Bryan Tsai, Sebastian, Thierry R. Andriamirado and 293 other people liked this
We have open sourced our web server. Download it at http://www.tornadoweb.org/. Check out the Facebook announcement at http://developers.facebook.com/news...
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
See a live chat demo: http://chan.friendfeed.com:8888/
- Casey Muller
*have no idea what I am looking at*
- Joe
Wow! Thanks so much, Bret and co!
- Doug
this was very interesting; good job
- RAPatton
neat
- anna sauce
I wonder what the engineering decision was to not use a WSGI interface.
- mikepk
mikepk: it supports WSGI, but it is not WSGI by default because WSGI does not support non-blocking I/O for things like hanging connections. See http://www.tornadoweb.org/documen....
- Bret Taylor
This actually is a very good piece of code! Thanks folks!
- directeur
cool, Bret, thanks :) I was just heading through the docs now.
- mikepk
Thanks for doing this, Bret! That's some pretty cool stuff.
- Keith Bourgoin
that's great. thanks..
- Onur Gündüz
oh man, this is so awesome, thanks guys!
- Charles Ying
Is "tonado" a typo?
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
I'm hacking my own python web framework at the moment, so now the choice on whether I want to switch gears to this or not. I'm liking what I see so far.
- mikepk
Bruce: Yes
- Casey Muller
Wow.. Thanks!! pretty much makes my day.. which is scary in it's own rite.
- Chris Myles
Great news! Cheers to the FF team!
- Egon Willighagen
Nice new title Brett.."Facebook Director of Products".. a good sign of things to come!
- Chris Myles
very very glad to hear this bit: "Tornado is a core piece of infrastructure that powers FriendFeed's real-time functionality, which we plan to actively maintain."
- Chris Heath
Great work
- James Myatt
does this have any implications for friendfeed.com in terms of competition and shelf-life?
- Franz Sittampalam
Franz: enables widespread adoption which leads to greater influence of the technique
- Mike Chelen
So excited this is out. So many personal projects I have been wanting to build with it :)
- Bret Taylor
Bret, do you have a set of coding conventions you use? E.g. looks like you use mixed case for classes and underbar separators for methods.
- Cristo
Fantastic, Bret (and team)!
- Micah Wittman
A very good project!...you know if will be possibile to use Tornado with other technogies except Python (such as JEE, Ruby On Rails, etc.)?
- Nicola Junior Vitto
Cristo: we tried to use the official Python coding conventions, though we may have inadvertently strayed. Those conventions are: ClassNames, method_names, variable_names
- Bret Taylor
Brilliant! I hope you can provide very valuable input for the next round of #python WSGI, which desperately needs a next round ;)
- Uche Ogbuji
Re: WSGI needing help, see http://www.b-list.org/weblog...
- Uche Ogbuji
grt
- Xitong Liu
"Facebook's opensource technologies" link is broken on tornadoweb.org ..
- Onur Gündüz
Onur, worked for me - and still works now
- Chris Heath
Very cool, in case someone needs a high-end Web Server for a project, FriendFeed just open-sourced theirs, & apparently, it screams..
- Alex Schleber
Nicola: there is a Ruby example - http://gist.github.com/184760
- Mike Chelen
thx Mike, but this is a kind of eventmachine (that sounds good) for Ruby, not a Tornado client or wrapper...isn't it?
- Nicola Junior Vitto
Excellent! Thank you. Was eagerly waiting for the day to come after looking this just 1 month ago; "changeset: 5afb8a445cad / date: 2009-08-11 16:34:48 / description: Initial open source packages" http://changelog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- NaHi
from f2p
Chris, yes it is fixed.. I swear it was broken ..
- Onur Gündüz
Good catch, NaHi. :)
- Micah Wittman
Thanks guys. Really appriciated.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
That's great. thanks Bret :-)
- Nimaa
Nice job on the non-blocking stuff Bret!
- Mitchell Tsai
"We have open sourced our web server" @bret took over a year but is worth the wait. thx for the follow through ~ http://bret.appspot.com/entry...
- Peter Renshaw
Ohhh, ummm, btw, your underhanded behind the scenes sell out still rankles my human decency, & a lot of others too, as should yours...thumbs down/dislike x 47.5 million dollars, however not being bitter of course, keep ignorance & bliss
- sofarsoShawn
As I expected :) brilliant
- FFTornado
that's the sound of I believe 100000000? or so hands clapping...& giving you the BOOOO-URNS if I'm not mistaken...
- sofarsoShawn
oh you sonsabitchez this fscking rules! why so badass, ff? thank. you. :)
- mike
So, can we say; Python is the future?
- Ozkan Altuner
Nice code. Started to look at it today. Thanks for doing this. Now to start testing this on some projects I had been working on.
- Altan Khendup
What OS do you guys run FF on?
- Diego Barros
Diego: we run on Linux.
- Bret Taylor
from email
@bret just out of curiosity - what would necessitate usage of such an engine for a *personal* project? :)
- Michael Bravo
Michael: it is a nice framework to use for any project in my opinion (though I am clearly biased). If you are doing anything real-time like the chat demo, something like Tornado is certainly necessary/useful regardless of the size of the project.
- Bret Taylor
from email
@bret and for little-sized hardware? should have try it on Maemo based :)))
- A.T.
@silpol I kinda fail to see Maemo devices being used for servers (unless it's some kind of satellite-based or other covert server maybe :) )
- Michael Bravo
from IM
@mbravo you never know... there are some unusual (and cool) apps for web servers, granted you abstain (on purpose) from classical models, e.g.server farm somewhere there and herds of clients connecting to it...
- A.T.
Bret: Cool, thanks. Just out of curiosity, which flavour of Linux is preferred by FriendFeed?
- Diego Barros
I think this is the best answer for the ultimate question: "Does python needs yet another web framework?" While most of us would say why, when one come across this, a real world proven technology, serving zillions of pages a day, one would say, well, why not. actually, why not even take it an try to integrate out next web app with it? great job! seems like joining FB won't do you any harm ;-)
- Tzury Bar Yochay
We've seen tornado vs twisted, how about tornado vs rails? http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Tzury Bar Yochay
http://chan.friendfeed.com:8888/ It doesn't work. I'd like to see chat.js :)
- Анатолий Шарифулин
FriendFeed's web server, open sourced? This is great! Welcoome, Tornado!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Bret: how do you proxy long-living connections through nginx? Vanilla nginx buffers everything.
- Alex Kapranoff
nginx has a configuration option to turn off buffering.
- Tristan Seligmann
Seedcamp announces 21 Startup Finalists. Read about them here. - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
Charleno Pires, Daniel Rowley, Yaniv Golan and 9 other people liked this
Very nice.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
from iPod
An Arab startup made it as one of the finalists too. really cool. Just blogged about it here: http://www.startuparabia.com/2009...
- Mohamed Marwen Meddah
Hey Flickr … Why So Censorious? MSNBC Report on Flickr - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
Russ G, Helen Sventitsky, Kevin Winn and 12 other people liked this
I hope that Yahoo takes a hard look at Popkin’s article. There is much improvement that could be done with Flickr. Flickr is a tremendously important cultural jewel that in a strange way I feel belongs to society at large at this point as much as it belongs to Yahoo. So much art is being made and shared at Flickr. So many people are using it in a way to culturally enrich the world. Yahoo should look at this cultural jewel that they have and recognize it for what it is, also recognizing that censorship has often been the enemy of culture. I’d much rather blog about all the great things going on at Flickr than the things that I feel are negative going on there. And I do hope that some of the practices over the course of the past few years mentioned in this article are addressed and changed.
- Thomas Hawk
The problem is that, unless you examine the Flickr codebase, you've got no way of knowing how easy it is to make deletions reversible (which is really what this is about.... saying "oops, let me un-delete this" would defuse most of these situations). Big software systems are full of things that sound like they ought to be easy to do but aren't. For example, you'd think they'd have fixed the problem after Stewart accidentally deleted all his pictures in 2005.
- Wirehead
But the thing is Wirehead, it actually would be quite easy. Flickr already has built the ability to make images private. You can, for instance, make an image private on flickr so that only you, not even your friends and family can see it. It would be super simple for Flickr simply to mark these photos "private" for you only and include a message to you about why they've done that. You...
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- Thomas Hawk
Flickr naturally has server systems in place for back-ups and failure restoration. They most certainly have the ability to retrieve the data from some point in the recent past. For them to suggest otherwise suggests they consider us stupid or are just indifferent. The ability for a multi-million dollar operation staffed with programmers to claim that they cannot or will not make simple...
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- Robert Kenney
I agree Robert. And I guess that's their decision to make, I do think it would be nice if they would explain that to us though and their rationale for not allowing user data to be recoverable.
- Thomas Hawk
I knew this would turn into bad press for flickr. I called it right after TH got banned: http://www.flickr.com/help...
- Rob LaRosa
Thomas, how would you react if I pointed out that had you followed the Parabolic SAR, you would have sold one of the stocks under your management before it dropped?
- Wirehead
If a publically trade company like Yahoo! didn't own Flickr Id say it's their server, they an do what they want. But they do, and it's ridiculous.
- Kevin Winn
from Nambu
Google Alerts Gets PubSubHubbub and Real-Time Programmable Hooks - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
Nicholas James, Daniel Rowley, Varun Mahajan and 38 other people liked this
Nice! I like where this is going and agree with you, it's the beginning of Google's rise to the top of the real-time web.
- Brandon Titus
I'm totally liking and commenting before reading, hahaha I'm a social media maverick!
- Mark Essel
Can someone help me with context? How mature is PubSubHubbub at this stage? By that I mean is it SOX ready?
- Dominic Jones
SOX ready in what sense? Could you elaborate on your use-case? It sounds interesting!
- Brett Slatkin
Despite there now being no latency between you and Google Alerts, isn't there still latency between publisher and Google News/Alerts though? Wouldn't it be faster still to put a publisher's feed right into Feedburner yourself? What am I missing here?
- beersage
If you know who you're subscribing to, yes. With Google Alerts the feed contains anything that's searchable on the web, so you don't know where the results may be coming from.
- Brett Slatkin
Good to know! I hate to run feeds that aren't mine through Feedburner but the problem I have w/ Google News alerts is that it is a bit inconsistent. It will grab only some posts from a source when I consider posts it neglects to pull from said source to also be appropriate for the alert. So to build around it is not so cut-and-dry but it has a lot of potential and performs well as is.
- beersage
@Brett I thinking specifically about a company issuing earnings news via a feed (perhaps through FeedBurner). The critical problem with doing this to date has been that there was no way companies could ensure that all subscribers received the information simultaneously because they were polling the feed at different intervals. Tim Bray wrote about the issue here...
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- Dominic Jones
Dominic: Wow great article reference. I've seen that one before, a long time ago, but I totally forgot about it! I think Hubbub could probably do this very well, especially with the Atom feed format he describes. However, "simultaneously" is a funny term; nothing is really simultaneous. There are going to be delays between notifications to all recipients. So the question is, what's the...
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- Brett Slatkin
True, simultaneity is relative. The accepted standard for "fair" right now is the latency you get with Business Wire or PR Newswire. This varies from a few seconds to a few minutes, depending on where you access the information (wholesaler's news , Yahoo! Finance, Google Finance, your brokerage's website etc.)
- Dominic Jones
Sorry, hit enter before finishing... A few seconds is ideal.
- Dominic Jones
That seems achievable to me. It scales with the number of individual subscribers. If you have 1,000,000 pushes to do, and you do them at 10,000/second, you still need 100 seconds to get the data to everyone. So a delay of up to 120 seconds seems like it would have enough buffer for this case. In practice it is much faster than that, but it's good to be careful with financial stuff.
- Brett Slatkin
Business Wire has a patent for something they call NX. Basically, they pre-deliver information to subscribers then unlock it at a set time. In practice, though, unless you have their software installed, you don't get the news until later. NX is described in this patent document http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi...
- Dominic Jones
In most cases, companies would be pushing out to a few hundred subscribers. A company like GE would be maybe 20,000 or so. You get into the millions when you're a Reuters, Bloomberg or Google News.
- Dominic Jones
It took a while to get the DNS transferred, and this URL still might not work for some: http://ou.rs/1 -- but it will eventually. :-)
Yaniv Golan, Daniel Rowley, Nispell and 6 other people liked this
Nice one, Dave!
- Jesse Stay
It worked?
- Dave Winer
What's in a name with ruby slippers :)
- Frankie Warren
Yes!
- Andrew Terry
The ruby slippers come from (of course) The Wizard of Oz. They're how Dorothy undoes the curse of the Wicked Witch and gets back home to Auntie Em and all her friends in Kansas.
- Dave Winer
Yeah - I'm seeing it.
- Jesse Stay
The URL fits the theme well, Dave.
- Jesse Stay
ou.rs is 1 cool tld
- Brian Hendrickson
Surprised it was still available. Congrats.
- Jon Kimball
Tweeting :)
Alfredo, gmarketer, Antonio Sotomayor and 272 other people liked this
Funny!
- Robert Scoble
too true
- James Miao
Hey, I can tell those Mark Zuckerberg prongs haven't started working yet. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
A good reminder that it could have been a lot worse.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Heh
- Charlie Anzman
Hey! I resemble that remark!
- Chris Messina
funny and true :)
- Ali
Very clever.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
LOL
- Steve Chou
from fftogo
apparently you can trade some symbols and numbers for letters and it's FFing
- Katy Barrilleaux
I love that!! :D
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
ReTweet what the middle one said 4/5 WooHoos
- Zax Stevens
LOL :D
- zsafwan
That is *exactly* why FF will become more mainstream than twitter.. try explaining how to tweet to your parents (who are finally comfortable with email)!
- Chris Myles
Go Chris!
- Charlie Anzman
ROFL!
- Darren Heydon
Haha! I have this on my facebook :)
- Joe Dawson
from iPhone
: D
- Taylanov
Awesome!
- Ladybug Heather
Haha!
- muratt
ahahha! brilliant
- Jacque
That's about right.
- Josh Haley
thats funny lol.. where did u find it
- Nicholas Skinner
that's *agent_x* cartoonist from sunny queensland, aus ~ http://twitter.com/agent_x :)
- Peter Renshaw
I just noticed you posted my comic. Thanks. I keep them all here if you are interested - http://www.agent-x.com.au/
- agent x
agent x, I like you. Bookmarked.
- Dennis Jernberg
Flickr: The Help Forum: [Closed] My account was deleted without warning or notice. No reply from flickr. - http://www.flickr.com/help...
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"To whom it may concern, I have written several times asking why my account "adoniel" was deleted several days ago without any previous notice or warning but I have yet to receive a formal reply from Flickr with an explanation. I am a professional photographer and all the content in my photostream was my own work, creation and intellectual property. I also don't believe I had posted any content that would have been deemed inappropriate or violated your guidelines. I am very disappointed as I had spent a great deal of time uploading my photos, tagging and adding descriptions. Your actions are extremely inconsiderate and highly questionable. I was about to upgrade my account to a Pro 2-year account, but I am very glad I did not upgraded. I would prefer to spend my money elsewhere if this is how you treat your customers. You have certainly lost my trust, business and support. I am writing to Yahoo Inc, your parent company to let them know exactly how you run this web site and treat customers. I am very disappointed with your actions and lack of communication. Sincerely, Edelson C. Flores Flickr: "adoniel""
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
And flickr permanently and irrevocably deletes yet another user account with no warning and no recourse. And of course lock the thread where the user complains about it to try and cover it up.
- Thomas Hawk
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
it's just so typical. I'm not sure what it will take to get them to stop doing this. Censorship sucks.
- Thomas Hawk
Censorship yes, in this case probably not the content of the photos; definitely the mistakes of their happy trigger finger personnel.
- gwendolen
I sometimes wish there were two Flickrs. Ones for the folks with bare skin phobia and one for the rest of the world.
- gwendolen
Very VERY bad customer service. But typical of Flickr.
- Chris Nixon
Flickr staff has responded with 'Hello- this is best handled via Help by Email, not the Help Forum.' This should have been resolved privately before adoniel took it to the Help Forum. I personally feel mistakes are best handled by an apology and restoring service.
- gwendolen
This is crazy! I don't want to spend time uploading photos (and I have hundreds of them for my business) and then have this sort of thing happen. Makes me leery of having my stuff over there.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Ultimately, when you're not paying someone to host your data (Flickr, FaceBook, etc.), you can't be sure that it's always going to be there. I know that lots of people use these services and that they offer functionality that isn't available in some other places, but I think you get what you pay for. I'm a big fan of Smugmug for this (among other) reasons.
- amygeek
@amygeek This happens to paid accounts too. I have a paid account. Flickr's policy of just deleting accounts without warning is inexcusable, paid account or not.
- gwendolen
Yeah, I have heard of several cases of people with paid accounts being deleted with no warning.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
Google Street View 1969
Vivian Cohen- Leisorek, Rob Michael (Atmos Trio), Pavel Senko and 123 other people liked this
:D
- M F
Ha!
- RAPatton
Genius.
- Toby Graham
new mashup -- Beatles vs. Google Maps
- Stephanie Segel
Ha! Very clever.
- joneilortiz
My favorite remix of this photo had them all on Segways.
- Ladybug Heather
THIS is awesome.
- Mona Nomura
Oh, so that's where Abbey Road is. ;)
- Nimabeckie
awesome
- y266_2000
Awesome!
- David Cook
from fftogo
C64 Twitter client - http://hackaday.com/2009...
Yaniv Golan, Sebastian, Joel Webber and 2 other people liked this
heh
- Jeremy Zawodny
I've noticed that none of the trending topics on Twitter interest me anymore.
Jamie, Yaniv Golan, Norman Savigar and 13 other people liked this
The masses are asses. That is what my history techer used to say.
- Robert Scoble
sometimes, interest vanishes as the time progresses.
- ashish
As social services become more like a random sample of the overall population wouldn't trending topics within different degrees of your social network be more interesting?
- Todd Hoff
They never did interest me.
- © b e e n s w a n k
Todd: that isn't how Twitter works. Twitter's system is definitely getting worse.
- Robert Scoble
It's not how it works now Robert.
- Todd Hoff
Todd: Very true. Trending topic among a self defined group would be much more interesting to me than seeing trending topics such as "American Idol"
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Weekend Trending Topics are different than those during the week. Spammers are more active, at least the last two weekends.
- Liz
Twitter is attracting lot of spammer these days. The more popular it gets the more spam it attracts. As a user, I can block them individually but that is it.
- ashish
I'd like to see Trending Tropics filtered on the community of people I'm following
- Mike Doeff
Think Twitter should of been called 'popular' as oppose to Trending Topics, nothing I see is a real trend in the truest sense. It just happens to be what's popular over a period of time and more often the search results is flooded with spammers and disconnected tweets. Get the feeling no one at Twitter think this matters. I'm with you on this one Francine. Hence the since to FriendFeed.
- Julie Williams
My number one request for FriendFeed right now? Give me this same feature for *Flickr.* Would love to be able to find more of my Flickr contacts who are on FriendFeed. Even better, give me the same Yahoo mail / Gmail functionality to invite my flickr contacts to FF via the Flickrmail system.
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Yes please!! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
Yes!
- Chris Luckhardt
I know most of my friends are on FF, so it is a waste for me. I wish my friends would have been on. I feel left out again. :(
- Faraz Mullick
YES!
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I know that many of my Flickr contacts are on here that I'm not even aware of. Monitoring their photos and faves via FriendFeed is vastly superior to Flickr's own "most recent contact photos" page. I wish I could add more of them. Photos are my favorite thing on FF.
- Thomas Hawk
Agree, Thomas. #betakoltag-sg-extservices
- Kol Tregaskes
I know that the vast majority of my Flickr contacts are *not* on FF -- but really *should* be on FF. If FF could use the Flickr API to allow me to invite all of them via flickrmail to my FF (like Yahoo mail and Gmail) this would be huge in making FF even that much better for me. I so wish more of them were on here. There are so many amazing Flickr photographers that could add so much to FF.
- Thomas Hawk
Yes please, I am way more interested in seeing new images than seeing tweets show up in 2 places.
- Bill Pennington
from twhirl
Kinda shocked the CEO of Zooomr doesn't also suggest Zooomr
- dbcohen
;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
There are a lot of possibilities. I would love to be able to filter people based on their feeds, and groups for example. Like searching for people who have imported their flickr stream into friendfeed and who is also a member of the 'Tech Bloggers' group. Basically I would love to see them improve the way we discover people on friendfeed. Simply being able to search by netwwork would be amazing. Like tell friendfeed to list all my contacts who are also on delicious!
- Kasper Sorensen
Zooomr would be great too. But Zooomr is a far smaller service. I have a list for all Zooomr content on FF and that is manageable just with a list right now. Flickr is not. Since Zooomr basically uses Flickr's API though I'd think that if it could be done for Flickr that there would be no reason why it couldn't also be done for Zooomr. Would love that too!
- Thomas Hawk
it's still very easy to see all Zooomr content on FF here: http://friendfeed.com/search... All Flickr content is far less manageable here: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Thomas Hawk
and Flickr here: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- meckimac
Good idea
- Carl Cabading
Very valid point Thomas re:Zooomr. Thanks for clarifying
- dbcohen
Dito!
- ChiliMac
This is a Flickr search for 1 comment with 1 like. http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Russellreno
Excellent idea.
- Rick Cogley
Great idea.
- Rob Brammeld
Great idea x2. :D
- Daniel Schildt
great ideas thomas
- (jeff)isageek
I'd just like the ability to create a Flickr account without needing a Yahoo account - it's incredibly frustrating if you create them regularly. Yahoo have a really cumbersome sign up process.
- Martin Bryant
Reading: RIP, RSS http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009... on @techcrunch, but I would say: RIP RSS READERS. I predicted this long time ago: http://blog.go2web20.net/2008...
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Nice early analysis on changing conditions.
- David Damore
it might be true for those working/interested in web2 and/or social networks where i agree that the information flows goes via FF and twitter, but for me, working on more "traditional" IT, mobile business/operation support systems etc. the main flows of information are on blogs and other RSS sources and.. the "real-time" is little bit less important- at least this is what i feel right now
- Naor Mark
@Naor: That is a good point. Some changes take a very long time to happen.
- David Damore
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fill it to the rim with Brim
- Noah David Simon
Can you hear me now? The operator-centric mobile model is over - http://techtlv.com/blog...
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for such a tiny country israel sure has HUGE breakfasts. hope @cathybrooks is running late ;)
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Dave, if you could go back in time, would you have used JSON instead of XML for RSS, OPML, XML-RPC, etc, had JSON been popularized at the time?
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The reason I ask is that most of those protocols and formats don't use much of the extras that XML is required for (schemas, namespaces, attributes, data escaping, etc). Simple key/value/dict/array/string/number structures would be sufficient in all those cases. If you could take a do-over, would you?
- DeWitt Clinton
"On the other hand, gratuitous syntactic diversity is not a feature. I remember in the early days of XML, Tim Bray used to start his pitch for XML by showing a whole bunch of widely different Linux config file formats. It was quite compelling: the lack of consistency was obviously confusing and pointless. Now I don't think anybody would suggest that XML is the right format for...
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- Shakeel Mahate
The above quote is from James Clark http://blog.jclark.com/2008... where he is discussing MGrammar from Microsoft. But it is asking the same question as you are.
- Shakeel Mahate
Great question! And if you look at how I use XML, you know the answer is yes. I have no love for XML, I thought it was over engineered, and too much was promised for it, but everyone wanted to do it, and that convinced me. The important thing is the consensus. One way to do things. And the second guy to come along has the power to make the standard, and in XML I was one of the "second guys" (the first wave were the guys at Microsoft, Netscape, Sun, etc).
- Dave Winer
So, by accepting the invitation to design my own formats as long as I used XML, I thought everyone would be happy. Turned out not to be so, they wanted to control things all the way up to the top of the stack, the arguments never stopped. That's what I like about JSON, it has a low-techness to it, no fuss, no pretension. That's how I viewed XML.
- Dave Winer
But... Look at what we were able to do with XML. One of the proudest moments for me was when Eric Raymond discovered XML-RPC and said it had the same philosophy as Unix. I grew up on Unix as Unix was growing up, and that's the highest compliment, I could write a book on why Unix does so much yet is so empty and open. That's what I hope for everything I do.
- Dave Winer
Anyway, thanks for asking.
- Dave Winer
Great response, Dave. Thanks for answering!
- DeWitt Clinton
I never minded XML, till I inherited the responsibility of hosting a chatroom and had to use the server software & bot scripts from the previous host. That was when I came across this inappropriate use for XML...as the scripting language for the bot. You have no idea how much I wanted to tear my hair out while sorting through those scripts. Just for a taste of what I had to deal with, here is one of the shorter scripts. This is a Mastermind game: http://pastebin.ca/1353820
- April Russo (app103)
That is a great answer, and exactly what I was getting at in my comment on the other post. The attribute vs contents split in XML means you always need marshal/unmarshal overhead to get it into a native structure. With JSON you don't.
- Kevin Marks
Great thread. Thanks for sharing, Dave et al
- kortina
Kevin, are you saying that Javascript doesn't turn the text representation of JSON into binary data before programs operate on it? If true, that's remarkable. BTW, when we wrote our XML parser for Frontier, in C, the typical machine ran at 200 MHz and had about (guessing) 100MB of memory. Obviously today's machines are much bigger and faster, yet people *still* raise the encoding and decoding perf issues as if they matter in 2009, I don't see any evidence that they do.
- Dave Winer
JSON rocks. that is all
- Susan Beebe
The issue today is installed base of code and data. If I could have talked to the guys designing the data model for JavaScript I would have really strenuously argued for XML, rather than fracture the base. But what's done is done. Let's hope it doesn't happen *again* but it will of course, always does. I also found it ironic that Bray used an example of different config files, yet when he reinvented RSS, he didn't even reuse its names. So we have items and whatever Atom calls items. (I forget.)
- Dave Winer
Since people aren't shouting me down (yet, thankfully) anotherdesign error in Atom is the link element. It's yet another reinvention of XML inside an XML format! (I know OPML looks like that too, but that was in 2000, and that format makes sense when you view it from inside the app whose file format it is, an outliner with attributes.) Why not make every element in Atom an instance of <link>? What was the design rationale for that?
- Dave Winer
When I use xml I feel i'm on an old calculator typing (1 + 1)/(2 + 4) =. Much better to use rpn: 1 enter 1 + 2 enter 4 + /. Now applying this to "xml" your namespace definitions supply you with your operators. Add xmlns:georss="http://www.georss.org/georss" to your page and <georss:point>45.256 -71.92</georss:point> becomes 45.256 -71.92 point.
- mal
re "Why not make every element in Atom an instance of <link>?", that would more or less be RDF. And we all know where that leads! :)
- Dan Brickley
Dell Latitude XT2 multi-touch tablet with 11-hour battery now official - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
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