Makes me think "I want a pet octopus ! I could teach it tricks". And then rethink with "Nah, just let 'em do their thing in the ocean".
- Andrew Perry
They're quite playful creatures. If you happen on one while diving and offer your hand, they'll often grab it and wrap around it. Not a great survival strategy perhaps...
- Neil Saunders
If I have my story right I think this came out of a criticism from a review panel that the structures and computational bio department was not collaborating enough. They came up with the mycoplasma collaboration that Luis Serrano in particular was very excited about. 3 science papers is not a bad way to show results :). I still have to read them.
- Pedro Beltrao
Is there no end to the horror of the buzzword-ome?
- Bill Hooker
So, should we come up with a new buzzfix then? So far, we had 'science', 'omics', ... who knows what next... I'm betting on complexity... so, proteoplex, bioplex, chemplex, metaboplex, ... not merely the individuals, but also the complexity between them.
- Egon Willighagen
I like the complexity angle - we should register all those domain names
- Jonathan Eisen
appreciation of good code in academia? Neil +1
- Konrad Förstner
To be fair, I think he's talking about it from a CS perspective, rather than a bioinformatics one.
- Chris Miller
You know, there are funny parallels with drug discovery biology here, as well. More often, we're seeing new technologies come from startups (which come from an academic background) and not from established programs at larger companies. Is there enough of a market for short, clever bits of code that you could support a startup model in bioinformatics?
- Mr. Gunn
Aim to feed some of this in - or at least get some answers - we also have some other significant issues that need to be solved so will try to make a list soon.
- Cameron Neylon
No contemporary communication paradigms function really well on it. And that's a Bad Thing. Sure it's "like" email, sure it's "like" IM, sure it's "like" Google Docs, but as the combination of all of those, none of those ways of thinking about it work effectively. I can't imagine it appealing to anybody but a very small portion of people on the net. And that's a Really Bad Thing.
- Chris Lasher
Agree, I don't think it's anything like what email would be like "if invented today". My feeling is that it's usefulness will be determined by the number + quality of robots/gadgets/whatever they are. Another thought: the best software does one thing well.
- Neil Saunders
Dan Hagon made a good point which was to think about where the pain points are in today's processes and find the cases where Wave deals well with those. Or to put it another way, what are the use cases where the ability to collaborate are most effective. The most interesting demos will be the ones where people don't know they are using Wave though I suspect.
- Cameron Neylon
Though there is another point - Wave is exactly like email in the way that people have extremely different ideas about what it is for and how to use it. Half of this discussion is people talking past each other.
- Cameron Neylon
You've got a point there, Cameron. Much of the criticism I hear about Wave is really just criticism of the knocked-together client. Not much interesting is going to happen with Wave until the serious developers start playing around with it and putting some really good stuff together. Whether or not that'll happen is yet unknown, but Wave is a pretty cool tech from a protocol standpoint....
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- Mr. Gunn
Recent years have witnessed the emergence of a new class of social networks, which require us to move beyond previously employed representations of complex graph structures. A notable example is that of the folksonomy, an online process where users collaboratively employ tags to resources to impart structure to an otherwise undifferentiated database. In a recent paper, we proposed a mathematical model that represents these structures as tripartite hypergraphs and defined basic topological quantities of interest. In this paper, we extend our model by defining additional quantities such as edge distributions, vertex similarity and correlations as well as clustering. We then empirically measure these quantities on two real life folksonomies, the popular online photo sharing site http://www.Flickr.com and the bookmarking site http://www.CiteULike.org We find that these systems share similar qualitative features with the majority of complex networks that have been previously studied. We...
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- Duncan Hull
Many of you know I've been working with Mendeley as a sort of ambassador/community liaison. I started this because I've always felt a little shut out from contributing to open science/open access/open data because I don't work for a publisher, don't really write code, and wasn't in a job where I could openly share data. This was a way to influence how things develop by promoting the people who "get it".
- Mr. Gunn
I had to quit for the "real job" a little while back and found not only that I had more time to work for Mendeley, but that I started getting other offers/opportunities also.
- Mr. Gunn
Now I've got a newborn daughter and am liking the time I can spend at home with her, which raises the following conundrum: Can I do more of this community liaison work for companies that support/promote open access and put my research career on hold, or is there not any future in this?
- Mr. Gunn
Can I trust the friends and colleagues I've met on here to be able to have a real discussion with me, keep me honest, and tell me if I'm backing the wrong horse as I take on more clients, or would I be considered a sell-out? Would people believe that my opinions still come from me and my experiences, or would people just think "You're only saying/supporting that because they're paying...
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- Mr. Gunn
Do you think there's room to grow in this kind of role or am I just wishfully thinking that I can make my own job in this tough economy and get to spend time with my daughter too?
- Mr. Gunn
I really believe this is a way I can contribute to changing how science is being done, opening up the process, disintermediating scientific discovery, and all those noble sounding things, but do you buy it, or do you think I'll not only become corrupted by money but lose my relevance because I'm not really doing science anymore?
- Mr. Gunn
Can I help companies that don't quite get it to improve and become better and more responsive to their community of users or will I lose touch?
- Mr. Gunn
I will be saying nothing works better than inspiring people by setting examples, I will not go with holding my research career even it is not working well as long as I have passion for discovering something. But there are certain realities and money is one of them. Ambassador/community liaisoning is other way to contribute back to the science, but it will be too early to give up your...
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- Abhishek Tiwari
Mr. Gunn. You can absolutely do so, but as you note, you cannot do this with one client. It will have to be a consulting/pundit role (you should probably have a chat with Paul Miller at some point http://cloudofdata.com). The life science industry will be challenging given the limited opportunities, and in this economy, this will not be a walk in the park. As to whether you have to be...
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- Deepak Singh
And we'll tell you if you're being an idiot. It also depends on what you really want to earn. You're not going to get rich doing this, at least not quickly.
- Deepak Singh
Abhishek, I could cite all the times when I've recommended Papers or Zotero instead because it really was better for what the person was looking for as evidence that I don't always have to say what the official line is, but that wouldn't illustrate all the discussions I've had where the company point of view _became_ my point of view. This is exactly the kind of discussion I want to be...
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- Mr. Gunn
Thanks Deepak. I know you will, and I'm not looking to get rich. I'm looking to do work for people I believe it, be a force for good, and at least for the moment, spend more time at home with my daughter.
- Mr. Gunn
Mr. Gunn, it will only taint it if you let it, although there will people who'll always be skeptical. As long as you are honest and present your point of view rationally, you'll be fine
- Deepak Singh
I'd like to think that being open and transparent online helps illustrate my biases, too.
- Mr. Gunn
Way outside my area of expertise, but I would think the "consulting/pundit" thing that Deepak mentions would involve lots of travel, especially to start. Not sure how conducive that is to spending more time at home...
- Andrew Su
Andrew, missed that bit. There would be a fair bit of travel
- Deepak Singh
from iPhone
Tough call MrG. I'm not concerned about you selling out, plus I will call you out if I think you are sliding into that trap (as, I'm sure, will the rest of the FF posse). My larger concern would be whether you can make a living that way. Is there a more regular (but part-time) gig that you could get to buffer the difficulties of forging a new path? For instance, do you write easily and...
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- Bill Hooker
Having a part-time gig would allow you more freedom to take risks and experiment, and could be phased out as and when your liaison/consulting work grew.
- Bill Hooker
Bill, that's a really great idea. My current commitments are only part-time, so having something more steady would both help the bottom line and insulate me from selling-out criticism - "I don't need to do this." Please, put me in touch.
- Mr. Gunn
the ultimate evidence for or against bias is behavior, would such a position restrict or inhibit assuming a critical perspective?
- Mike Chelen
What fun would that be, Mike? I just wanted to do a sanity check against my friends and colleagues here to make sure that at least some of them would promise to call me out if I started to not make any sense or drift away from the principles of openness this community takes as a fundamental principle.
- Mr. Gunn
Interesting situation! My take is that people who have no history of interaction with you, will not spend a lot of time looking you up online. As soon as they know you're being paid to do this, you'll be a sales rep - which means there isn't even any need to look you up, they already know who/what you are. Thus, IMHO, no online history will get you out of the sales rep box.
- Björn Brembs
I agree with Bill's suggestion, and also his non-worry about bias. Or rather, we're all biased, but you don't come across as a sell-out company mouthpiece to those who know you, so you can let that slide. Bjorn isn't tender, but he's right. Either way, you won't change it by adding on more opportunities to be a facilitator. And forging your own path to be more with your family - having been there, I would say you won't regret it later. One always has career regrets, but that's because we only have one life.
- Heather
Mr. Gunn. A full time liaison for a company will effectively make you sort of a sales rep. I have been a sales rep myself - which was a valuable learning experience, but I suspect, like me, not one you would fit comfortable into for a longer period of time (several years). When I left university, my friends and colleagues told me that I had a time-limit of 1-2 years to get back into...
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- Nils Reinton
Thanks, Nils, Heather, Björn. My intent is not to work full-time for a specific company, and I'm not doing that now. My intent is also to talk more about ideas and trends and less about specific products. Although I do spend a fair amount of time recommending Mendeley, I think Zotero shares their mission and I just personally prefer Mendeley. I used Zotero to write my first paper and it came down to me just wanting a desktop, full-screen app instead of their browser add on.
- Mr. Gunn
Björn - We all have our various reasons to believe what we do and say what we do. In my role, I'm not being paid to say anything or to have a certain opinion. In fact, I think where I disagree with the Mendeley guys is more valuable to them than where I agree, because what they're basically paying me for is my insights as a scientist who knows the field and keeps current with...
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- Mr. Gunn
I know I can't speak for anyone, and I'm not appointing myself spokesperson, but if I spend a lot of time listening to, talking about, and synthesizing ideas, and I can also effectively market those ideas to people who need to hear them (that is, companies who want to listen and adapt), isn't that a win? Couldn't that be my way to make a positive contribution to open access and linked data and personalized medicine and these causes that I already believe passionately in?
- Mr. Gunn
"Couldn't that be my way to make a positive contribution to open access and linked data and personalized medicine and these causes that I already believe passionately in?" YES, absolutely, you are already doing this very well. If you can make a living out of it, I salute you :-)
- Nils Reinton
Perhaps consider not just consultancy for companies, but also undertake work for public sector agencies (major libraries or funders), charities or not-for-profit companies.
- Frank Norman
Mr. Gunn - sure I think such a person would definitely be worthwhile to us! I was referring to people who do not know you: if you approach them and tell them you work for company X, my bet is that most of them will think "ah, he's a failed scientist trying to get me to use their products". Of course, this doesn't stop people from using company X's products (or sales reps would die out...
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- Björn Brembs
this is a great thread, Mr. Gunn, cheers for starting it, very interesting points, everyone; I would like to second Nils and Frank, and I think that some journals might also be interested in your advice (and community liaison work) and that this would certainly be a great service for anyone near to being an OA and linked data addict - isn't this a pretty wide range of users? we might create a list of arguments that you might wish to choose from when talking to journal publishers - test them on me ;-)
- Claudia Koltzenburg
Mr Gunn...you might know me from the ChemSpider system. For almost 3 years ChemSpider was run as a "for the community" project at my cost. i.e. My wife and kids lost a lot of access to me, despite the fact that I worked from home. It did NOT pay any bills...it just about covered costs. No, I was a consultant for a number of companies and worked hard for them, traveled a lot and used my...
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- Antony Williams
OT b/c it's blog not job related *but* I would cite this FF thread at some stage in this one. http://ff.im/YB4p from Feb '09.
- Graham Steel
Nils, thanks! Frank - that's a great idea. Can anyone put me in touch with someone at one of those agencies/companies? Björn - I see what you mean. Online rep doesn't translate offline automatically. Claudia - I've got a series of arguments, gleaned over the years from participation here and elsewhere. Can I send you an email? Antony - yes, I'm familiar with your work, and I have a...
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- Mr. Gunn
Mr. Gunn, one thing I've noticed in recent conversation with doctors (not academic MDs) is that most do not know much at all about OA, aren't sure what to make of a statistics-rich, data-driven science environment (or how to connect that data to actual human patients), and are leery about packages being hawked to them. Many are similar to me in age, meaning they didn't grow up in a...
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- Mickey Schafer
Well, I see myself being able to help in explaining these issues, but I don't think I'd get too far hawking products. I'm just not that kind of person.
- Mr. Gunn
Yeah, I just don't think I'm the salesman type. I think I'm more effective developing ideas than products.
- Mr. Gunn
You don't have to be a salesman to develop products. Product development requires a better understanding of customer needs than anything else out there. Being a product manager was one of the most satisfying jobs of my life
- Deepak Singh
from IM
Mr. Gunn -- I wasn't suggesting that you represent product -- actually, I was thinking more in terms of a "knowledge broker" -- the slow adoption of some technologies (whatever they may be) is often b/c the persons needing the tools don't know how to evaluate them -- sometimes, they may not know how to evaluate their own needs. Having an expert who can help someone understand the landscape, help them make choices based on needs (as opposed to sales pitches) is a very valuable resource. Just a thought!
- Mickey Schafer
Another area that is worth looking at, though probably represents a short term play, is that there are lots of people out there putting out calls for tenders to do small research projects in the Social Media/Publishing/Data/Science space. Again its patchy, and not regular but with some reliable money coming in from e.g. editing and writing this kind of work could do two things, firstly...
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- Cameron Neylon
MrG, did you get my email? I sent it to a gmail address that I have listed for you in my address book.
- Bill Hooker
Yes, I got the one you sent and I really appreciate it. I do plan to follow up when I get back into town.
- Mr. Gunn
Wow, it seems that Google has decided to censor out the interesting image
- Lars Juhl Jensen
When turning 180° later http://tinyurl.com/yh65ojc you can see that grandma was safe, and the truck has gone. So I guess, Google's staff stopped to help her
- Pierre Lindenbaum
Maybe the fire truck had nothing to with the accident. Maybe grandma saw the Google Street View car and go so excited that she fell on her bicycle ;-)
- Lars Juhl Jensen
Nucl. Acids Res. (6 November 2009), gkp937. Over the last years, the publicly available knowledge on interactions between small molecules and proteins has been steadily increasing. To create a network of interactions, STITCH aims to integrate the data dispersed over the literature and various databases of biological pathways, drug-target relationships and binding affinities. In STITCH 2, the number of relevant interactions is increased by incorporation of BindingDB, PharmGKB and the Comparative Toxicogenomics Database. The resulting network can be explored interactively or used as the basis for large-scale analyses. To facilitate links to other chemical databases, we adopt InChIKeys that allow identification of chemicals with a short, checksum-like string. STITCH 2.0 connects proteins from 630 organisms to over 74 000 different chemicals, including 2200 drugs. STITCH can be accessed at http://stitch.embl.de/. 10.1093/nar/gkp937 Michael Kuhn, Damian Szklarczyk, Andrea Franceschini,...
- Neil Saunders
I didn't expect the paper to come out this quickly, I was quite surprised to see it in my feed reader on the weekend. I have now activated STITCH 2 as public website ... hope it's not too buggy :)
- Michael Kuhn
umm .. you are going to make me re-do some work :p
- Pedro Beltrao
@Michael - quick questions: I don't think I ever saw homology evidences in the drug-gene interactions. Do you guys avoid doing this or it is just not reported in the evidence info ?
- Pedro Beltrao
@Pedro: going from STITCH 1 to 2 will change the identifiers of proteins and chemicals, so check first if you run into trouble there
- Michael Kuhn
re transfer: if you are in human or mouse, you probably won't see so much transfer. but if you go to e.g. chimp, you'll see a lot of transferred evidence
- Michael Kuhn
Am I the only person who absolutely despises Knuth's "Computer Modern" font? I don't know what it is about it, but it just looks awful to me. And I'm one of those people who used TeX for everything including drawing finite automata and analytic tableaux back in college.
- Jim Norris
I'm with you, Jim. That's why, following the book _TeX Unbound_, I used other fonts in my LaTeXed thesis. From the colophon: "I used mathinst to make a mathematical font family of Monotype Bembo Semibold (from Agfa-Monotype), MathTime (from Y&Y), Chantilly (from Softmaker, similar to Gill Sans), Typewriter (from the Electronic Font Foundry), and a few others, with which I typeset this dissertation."
- Ruchira S. Datta
I always had \usepackage{times} in my LaTeX documents.
- Tudor Bosman
Times is almost as bad though. At one point I figured out how to use Adobe Garamond, but it was kind of flaky.
- Jim Norris
I didn't like Computer Modern or Times. I used Century Schoolbook for my stuff, I think (\usepackage{newcent}).
- Amit Patel
free open-source programming-environment. i've been using BlueJ so far, which is like a kids bicycle with support wheels, Eclipse be real bike.
- Christopher Harris
Eclipse is well worth the effort and has a lot of very good language specific plugins. I have been using it for a couple of years now and wouldn't use anything else. Feel free to ask if you need any help getting going.
- Ian Simpson
from twhirl
I've learned Java with eclipse. The editor, the code completion, etc... make the learning Curve exponential.
- Pierre Lindenbaum
The exponentially increasing number of published papers (1.4 million per year by one estimate) makes it more and more difficult for us to manage the flood of scientific information. Each of us has acquired some protocol to find and organize journal articles and other references over the course of our careers. Most of those protocols are likely to have been formed by old routines or idleness rather than a structured approach to save time and frustration over the long run. Furthermore, with the Web 2.0 revolution, new ways of handling information are emerging (O’Reilly 2005). For example, traditional standalone tools for reference management like EndNote are being supplemented by centralized resources like RefWorks and social bookmarking sites as described subsequently. This fusion of personal and public information offers the promise of efficiency through better organization, which in turn leads to better science. How can seasoned scientists do better using these tools and those newer...
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- Duncan Hull