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Kol Tregaskes to Kol's feed, Question of the Day, TheNextWeb Forum, Appetite, Social Media, Social Media Club, Social Media Enthusiasts, The Goodie Room
What web apps/services have impressed you the most this year? What ones have you used the most? What new apps have been added to your regularly-used list?
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What apps or services would you like to see do well in 2010? What would you like to see change in 2010? What apps have been disappointing or feel they deserve to do better next year? #oftheyear #2009
- Kol Tregaskes
In terms of iPhone apps -- MagicSleep.
- Miss Elle
Well I'm, of course, going to say FriendFeed has had a good year - though the FB buy-out make a huge dent. If I think back to last year and what I wasn't using that I am now then Twitter had improved a lot, particularly with the Twitter Lists, which were long overdue. Chrome has become my default browser - I hardly touch Firefox and IE could easily be uninstalled if I could.
- Kol Tregaskes
Google Wave was impressive but it needs some serious optimisation and made a lot easier to use. Hopefully next year we'll see some improvements introduced. Groups would be the biggest new feature for me. Facebook is getting used more but it needs a lot more FriendFeed-esque features.
- Kol Tregaskes
A tie: Wordpress and Friendfeed. Just hope Friendfeed can stay cutting edge.
- laosan
Snaptu.
- अभिषेक(Abhishek) Das
Friendfeed and reddit seem to be doing well, with a clean and clear text interface...
- TrafficBug
Web apps... Google Wave was a disappointment. Can't really say I have a use for it. Friendfeed had a great year and is my most used web app. Part of what has made friendfeed great for me has been AJ's clean widescreen theme and Micah's huge collection of Greasemonkey scripts. I don't think friendfeed would be quite as enjoyable without them. On the desktop...There is a small,...
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- April Russo (app103)
I still believe Google Wave is exactly what I need for project discussion, support or training that works live and over time and that can stay available through time as new people join in etc. Or a family network thing... Best elements of irc/chat with the best elements of forum/wiki - the potential is there but it was never meant to be a social network, but a work tool/platform. Alas getting the people I collaborate with on Wave will be another thing.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Reddit, news.yc, pinboard.in, and Grooveshark
- Itachi
I see Google Wave as a new form of email, and your Google Wave address should be protected as much as you'd protect your email address (there are some privacy concerns with making it public) Wave would be great if the kind of email you send and receive would be improved by the extra functionality it provides, but most of the email correspondence I receive is just newsletters and alerts,...
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- April Russo (app103)
Bespin hands down. Integral component in replacing desktop apps.
- Raphael, Raphael
I'm sure Google Wave will have better year next year.
- Kol Tregaskes
I can't live without KatMouse now that I am used to it.
- Matt G
Evernote is the biggest new app added to my stable in 2009. And I actually pay for the premium service. SHOCKING.
- LANjackal
In the sense that it has helped me access many services in one and like those hits that appear by December and go straight to the top of the charts, I have to say, Google Chrome but with extensions. Believe me I am really sorry to accept this fact. I would prefer some top 5 or top 10 kind of poll :)
- Carlos Lorenzo
Matt, what is KatMouse?
- Kol Tregaskes
Google Chrome is not really new for me this year. It was virtually my default browser last year. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Same here. Can't surf without it.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
For me, the best new app has been Launchy. By far.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Kol KatMouse isn't new but its new for me. Whatever your mouse is on you can scroll. ie you don't have to click on the box to scroll. Kicks arse.
- Matt G
Sounds cool.
- Kol Tregaskes
ehiti.de/katmouse/
- Matt G
Feedly, posterous, threadsy, and friendfeed, of course.
- Michael Fidler
twilio is very cool. I have not use it yet but I like it. I will use
- KeremTiryaki
threadsy, posterous, and seesmic (via web) most used. Wave is most impressive but have not been able to implement the way I want. I believe we haven't seen full potential yet. Next year fo-shur. Feedly is reader of choice and Lazyfeed is gaining to give me whats up.
- amarquart
Seesmic Desktop is good but he latest version is way to buggy to use so I'm currently using TweetDeck but I'm only using either one (well at least a lot more) because of Twitter Lists.
- Kol Tregaskes
Evernote Premium and Flickr Premium I still pay for so they must get a mention. But definitely Friendfeed and Twitter.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I would say Evernote, Dropbox , Feedly and of course Friendfeed. IN the past 3 months I have used the first 2 and just amazed at how I did work before. I am looking for Lazyfeed and posterous to be huge for me next year as I learn how to use them the best. For the iphone I say biteSMS, Cycorder and Pixelpipe have been big for me along with Shazaam. Also, cinch will be huge for me next year.
- Amani
Bandcamp.com This site is a godsend to musicians and also very good for music fans (the latter because it offers a large choice of file formats to buy in and also makes it easy to embed music and share via social media).
- Spidra Webster
It's not really a web-app (at least not how I use it), but at least a cloud-app: Evernote. It has definitely changed my life for the better. I have also been very impressed with the Mozilla Bespin demo I saw.
- Meryn Stol
Google Wave
- Pico Seno
Well on the iPhone: Tweetie, Yelp, Ustream Live Broadcaster, Pandora, Snapture, ShopSavvy, Remember The Milk, Shazam, RedLaser, Read It Later, Kinndle App from Amazon, Barns and Noble E-Reader, Kayak.com app, BNO, Bible app, and one of the newest apps I just found last night is a guide for the game FallOut 3.
- Colide81 (James)
Online apps that I find I like are well ofcourse FriendFeed, Pandora.com, itunes, twitter, firefox, stumble upon the service and the toolbar, evernote, and much more. Also just to add one more thing to the list of my favorite iphone apps, I have started using eBay to check diferent auctions that I have been running to keep track of bidding prices, and questions bidders may ask me. I also love the Tumblr app.
- Colide81 (James)
Mint App to Account for Android Coming - http://jkontherun.com/2009...
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Um... awesome!
- Jeffrey Canton
from Bookmarklet
Evernote has an update for the iPhone app - with offline notebooks!
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As an iPod touch user the entire offline notebooks option may be the killer feature to make me go premium. Also rich text editing ... an early Christmas present :)
- Stephen Millard
from BuddyFeed
Lucky... You iPhone users are like first born children... and we Android users are the red-headed step-children.
- Lindsay is in 20-ten
Backupify – Backs up everything you do online. - http://thenextweb.com/appetit...
Roberto Bonini, yakoo, HealingBrush and 10 other people liked this
thanks for the share.. like the service :)
- Sardar Mohkim Khan
I tried to take advantage of their free offer for the past several hours but their sign-up page times out. Anyone else having the same problem?
- Philippe
I finally signed up but the service is really slooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwww... Too much traffic due the free lifetime offer?
- Philippe
Nice idea, this backupify!
- TrafficBug
@jodiwomack just told me about this yesterday. I lost my laptop (stolen) 23 months ago; have had serious backup every since!
- Jason
Lazyfeed - http://www.lazyfeed.com/
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Gmail adds “merge all duplicate contacts” button. Works wonderfully! - http://thenextweb.com/appetit...
Andrey Stefanenko, Katie B, Nils Sandin and 14 other people liked this
awesome
- Jeremy (on vacation)
works beautifully
- Zee.
Thank god!
- Raphael, Raphael
Merge contacts has been there for a while. Now there is a button.
- Yann Ropars
About time - great addition!
- Sharon Hurley Hall
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Google Hosts列表 - http://www.williamlong.info/blog...
mVideoPlayer Demo - http://slideme.org/applica...
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mVideoPlayer is an easy to use and powerful video player for android, it support subtitles (.srt) and have options to display some useful information like battery status and time while you watch your videos. This is a Demo, it will only let you watch two minuets of continues playing. Full Version: http://slideme.org/applica... Video formats supported: mp4, m4v and 3gp. Subtitles: .srt Features: Subtitle support, option to disable. Resume from last saved position for each video individually, option to disable. Onscreen widgets: time, battery, elapsed time. Possible to hide. Gestures, seek back/forward. Trackball, use trackball to seek back/forward.
Cost of Wedding - How much does a wedding cost where you live? - http://www.costofwedding.com/
Moses Kpetigo, Tim Costantino, Amiram امیرم and 31 other people liked this
Plug in your zip code to see the average. The disparity b/w Palo Alto and say, South San Francisco, is somewhat astounding :)
- Ana
from Bookmarklet
'On average, couples that live in [zip code] spend between $34,575 and $57,624 for their wedding. This does not include cost for a honeymoon or engagement ring.' The first time I looked at this site I almost died.
- joey
Flat nothing where I live - I can't get legally married.
- Sparky
How do they get their data, though? I never told anyone what my wedding cost.
- Stephen Mack
My zip code says between $25,854 and $43,091. I'm not buying that at all.
- Rochelle
Mine was $137, cost of paperwork only.
- Tsali, The Native of FF
In my zip code is says $40,235 and $67,058 DAMN
- Shevonne
$19,735 and $32,892 in a little town outside of Austin. Wow...that is insanity.
- aden
Stephen, just a random guess, but I would assume that they would survey the vendors out there in a certain area and then add it up? The average cost of a caterer in my zip code plus the average cost of a florist plus the average cost of a venue, etc.
- Rochelle
ours was JOP and home-made food. i think we spent less than $600 on the honeymoon.
- Joe Silence is Dr. Teeth!
Louisville, KY 40220 spend between $13,922 and $23,203 for their wedding. - Never known anyone who spent that much.
- Tsali, The Native of FF
@Joe plug in your zip code in the link
- Shevonne
Whoa! I was married at my mom's house in Palo Alto. The range there is $66,090 and $110,149!!! We didn't spend that much, and I still thought our wedding was costly!!
- Georgia Diehl
I don't suppose they subtract the value of the cash and gifts given
- LogEx
Rochelle, why don't you buy that?
- joey
@Shevonne: between $16,828 and $28,047. that's insane.
- Joe Silence is Dr. Teeth!
we were broke when we moved to the US from NZ and weren't about to go into debt for our wedding. my parents paid for our honeymoon trip as a gift.
- Joe Silence is Dr. Teeth!
I definitely see destination wedding if I ever get married
- Shevonne
The answer is too much.
- James Ferguson
Our wedding is a little on the high end...about $20k to $21k for my area. Range is $13,769 and $22,948
- Alex Scoble
the wedding? about 6 grand. since the breakup? $1,550 a month. for 8 long years.
- Morgan Haley
Joey, it just seems like too much. When I was doing my planning and all that, I don't think it would have been that much even if we had paid full price for everything. I guess it really depends on what kind of wedding you have and where you have it. Cake/punch in your church hall is going to obviously be less than plated dinner at a hotel downtown.
- Rochelle
that sucks.. its does not take canadian zipcodes
- Peter Dawson
Morgan, how many children do you have?
- Georgia Diehl
Georgia - Just 1.
- Morgan Haley
Wow! I had no idea child support was that much! Although, I guess I'm just assuming that's what you were referring to!
- Georgia Diehl
Child support? Try 'spousal support' aka alimony. But divorce is expensive because it's worth it.
- Morgan Haley
The site's figures are based on survey results from people who've paid for weddings and not based on polling of vendors according to the site.
- Alex Scoble
the 3 'rings' of relationshits: engagement ring. wedding ring. suffering.
- Morgan Haley
$14,993 and $24,988. Thank you Rochester :)
- Benjamin Golub
Hello 100k for Mill Valley California
- Bill
*gags*. Holy gucamole. In this economy?????
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
We saved a lot, Roberto, that's how.
- Alex Scoble
Well, that's most certainly better than borrowing the bulk of it :)
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
My mom wanted us to have a larger wedding (200 guests), so i told her fine, as long as she was willing to pay for it. She did...
- Georgia Diehl
That's all crazy talk - we spent about $3k-5k on our wedding. $10k+ for a one-time event is ridiculous!
- Jesse Stay
That's more reasonable Jesse. But there is no accounting for taste. :) my parents got married and had the reception in the back yard.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Reasonable-shmeasonable...my catering bill alone, including alcohol is like $7500 and frankly, that's reasonable.
- Alex Scoble
Roberto, nothing wrong with that - it's where we had ours. It was still decorated beautifully, people still had fun, and we still got married. We made a lot of our food, and ordered Sams club for the rest - nicely decorated most people don't even notice the difference.
- Jesse Stay
It's like I've said before, once you get in to the traditional wedding industry, there is no cheap.
- Alex Scoble
Exactly what they did. I will probably do that as well. I'd rather spend that big money on the honeymoon.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
...and don't get us started on the diamond cartel ;)
- LogEx
Roberto, oftentimes you (the groom) have no say in the matter, hehe. If you aren't already in a relationship, choose wisely. :)
- Alex Scoble
This is an interesting site (and again an uncannily timely post) 8^)
- Chieze Okoye
Duly Noted, Alex. Some of my friends are getting married next year and that's what's happened :) Poor guys.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
That's why I love my wife :-)
- Jesse Stay
Hehe, Jesse...unfortunately, sometimes you fall in love with someone despite the fact that they want a big wedding. C'est la vie. :)
- Alex Scoble
My falling in love was all about the wedding ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Such is life. Indeed. :)
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
ROFL...unfortunately, I fell in love with Cassie because she's intelligent, passionate, caring, cute, delicious, hard working and some other odds and ends as well...only later did I find out that she like Country Music, Christmas, Disneyland and big weddings...You have to take the good with the bad, hehe.
- Alex Scoble
It happens..... :)
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
There was someone here on FF (I don't remember who, but it was a guy?) who said his wedding budget was $100k and his honeymoon budget was $50k and thought that was totally reasonable and realistic. I was O_O
- Rochelle
haha
- Chieze Okoye
<Sheldon Cooper> The horror...... <Sheldon Cooper/>
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Nice .... I'm sure that honeymoon was memorable in more ways than one :)
- Fatima
Mine cost zero in 1967 - church wedding, homemade dress, reception at aunt's house. In 2009 dollars that would be...
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Holy shit! In Los Gatos, people spend between $64,866 and $108,109 (!)
- Bret Taylor
What recession? :-)
- Piaw Na
People make lots of money off weddings and funerals. Sometimes it's really sad. In Las Vegas, I contributed $40 for a car wash, when I heard that the reason they were washing cars was to cover the funeral costs for a friend. Elopement maybe?
- Mitchell Tsai
It says $11-18K where I live. I think my wife and I spent around $8K.
- Jason Huebel
Mine cost $16 at the county building. It was still fun.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
I think people *greatly* underestimate the cost of their wedding because they mostly look at recent bills after the event, but so many expenses, like deposits/stationery happen so far in advance. People also tend to not bundle-in related costs, like gifts for the wedding party, etc. If you think about it, if you host your reception at a hall w/ a catered dinner (which is what most people do), the food/beverage costs alone are like $100/person, so it's pretty easy to imagine how the average gets up to +$20k.
- Ana
@Mitchell Be wary of funeral car washes. Frequently those are scams.
- EricaJoy
My brother and his gf have ditched their idea to marry in the UK, instead of £10-13k they can spend £2-3k in Greece and get *everything* paid for. It's no contest, so we all off to Greece in a couple of years. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
$16 around.
- ★ Soner Gönül
Tehran; Around $30k
- Darth Farhad Sama
My home town in Pittsburgh: $46,966 and $78,277 --- Woah Nelly!
- Tim Costantino
Is there one reliable freakin' FF app on android? Jason, you need to get on this. #jasonheubel #android #makemeanapp
you can use http://friendfeed.com/iphone
- imabonehead
IKEA Catalogue coming to an iPhone near you. - http://thenextweb.com/applici...
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Wow, that's a good idea. Personally I'd like to be ultra smart and get it to take a picture of a room, and suggest coordinated ideas to tie the room together. That would be utterly awesome, and totally do-able app.
- Mark Aitken
全新的sshgfw：开源、中立、安全 - http://www.sshgfw.com/sshgfw...
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Tom’s Planner – Planning In The Cloud - http://thenextweb.com/appetit...
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“什么是天地万物最本质的要素？所有的客观实在是否就只是运动的实体呢？或者，根本不是怎么回事，而是弥漫于宇宙中的一种复杂振动的协奏？我们眼中的世界仅仅是浩瀚无际的混沌的一种粗略化的景象，还是它本质上确实存在着一个简单和谐的基本要素？我们所见闻所经历的究竟是不是某个单一的物理规律，在物理实在上不停地重复着所表现的各个层面？还是存在无限类别的规律，每一个都有它各自的适用范围？世界到底是由什么构成的？我们能够认识它吗？这些古老的问题，萦绕于我们的意识之中，挥之不去。”
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嚴格來說，一切科學的基礎只能是不完全歸納法。即使在理論上，也沒有任何方法能證明現在認為正確的東西明天不會變成錯誤。最基本的，不可能證明任何一個規律的普適性，因為無法證明該規律在未知情況下的正確性。但是，除了相信不完全歸納法，我們別無選擇。
- Baiyssy
Also tired of loosing time with creating charts?#genius #shortcut #lifehack Free shortcut on how to get charts done easily http://ow.ly/tl8o - http://twitter.com/ArtofGe...
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The Missing Sync for Android (Coming Soon) - http://www.markspace.com/product...
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Link your PC or Mac to your Android phone - HTC Hero, T-Mobile myTouch, T-Mobile G1 and many others coming from Motorola, Samsung, LG and HTC. The Missing Sync for Android is the best all-in-one sync solution that helps you get the most from the features of your phone.
- Tim Hoeck
I wonder if those of us running now clandestine builds of Cyanogen will be able to use it.
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew, it's third-party software, so you should be fine
- Trent Olson
Fwd: 关于Google的hosts以及如何使用IPv6 - http://12oak.blogspot.com/2009... (通过http://friendfeed.com/njhuar...)
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Leaked Courier Video Shows How We'll Actually Use It - Microsoft courier tablet - Gizmodo ||| 微软 Courier 概念平板电脑操作界面的又一个视频 - http://gizmodo.com/5369493...
FFTornado to FFTornado's feed, Photography United, Photo Gallery, Photography as Art, ART ROOMََََ, Persian Cam, Apps24, Appetite
The Great Flickr Tools Collection - http://www.quickonlinetips.com/archive...
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联通终究还是将 iPhone 毁了，中国联通iPhone菜单图曝光 http://tech.163.com/09...
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我应该说这很“老百姓”吗？
- Olive Fee
嗯...跟那种康佳啊 山寨机啊的界面一模一样.
- 麦克.疯
哪能比得上山寨啊，做山寨的都知道有免费的 iPhone UI 元素下载啊：http://www.tuaw.com/2008... 山寨的都做得和iPhone一样，而联通将iPhone做的连山寨都不如，大概就是我们称之为“sh*t”的东西吧
- Hi-iD
只能表示遗憾了.... 联通不可能没有UI设计人才吧?!
- 麦克.疯
只能说明国内的这些企业的高层都是用屁股思考的，都是些低劣的生意人。就折腾吧，好像还订购了500万台？
- LXR
告诉我这是60华诞的纪念版。。
- wipo
可怜的iPhone
- lackar
这就是本土化?
- junrxu
残念
- yezi
WTF +FML ！！！
- Titan Ning
这个东西很好地体现了国家垄断企业，以及人员制度的现状。
- ashbee
笑了。
- woodear
估计苹果看到自己的机器里运行这种玩意会苦笑不得吧（发后才看到hiid的原始条目“不知道 steve jobs 看到这样的界面是怎样的感受？”）
- ashbee
還真是悲哀
- LinxuanXia
又一完蛋了的本土化产品.
- 麦克.疯
完蛋到不会，除非阉割掉app store，这几个界面是联动3G定制服务的界面。
- Hi-iD
太低劣了，俗
- 拓 | wavesand
from email
当初谈判时应该加个条件，ui由苹果来完成
- ashbee
水晶按钮要火。
- woodear
大家的反应过激了吧？第一张图底部四个图标是“原装”的，其他图标都基本正常，看看app store里的图标，很多就是这个水平。 大家不要因为某些图标后面内容的恶心，而迁怒于图标本身。后面三张图，的确俗，但这只是3G定制界面而已，不能说明全部。Ixr老师因为这几张图片说联通高层都是些低劣的生意人，就更有失偏颇了。生意人不一定低劣，设计师也有低劣的，这几张图和人品无关。这些界面不是联通高层们亲自设计的，一定是某位设计师（好吧，设计员）的作品，获得了高层的青睐而已，这不仅仅体现了决策者审美水平，也反映了设计者的能力。暂时忘掉我们每天在各个网站上看到的美轮美奂的图片，回到现实中一会儿，出去走走，看看，你不得不承认，这个界面设计符合中国市场上的平均审美水平。而一个市场的平均审美水平和主流设计水平是互相制约、互相促进的。设计师们在嘲笑别人的品味的时候，是不是也要反省一下自己的水平呢？大家都清楚中国设计水平落后，也都明白差距要一点一点缩小，而缩小的途径只有通过不断学习、不断地实践。今天我们在这里骂高层、过嘴瘾的时候，是不是也该庆幸还有人愿意给中国设计者机会去实践，而不是“去下载一些iPhone元素”？
- Yang
银河系漫游指南里说，机器人和人的区别在于人都是偏执狂
- ashbee
我觉得 Yang 的“对此表示理解”过了头，要知道联通也是在昨天才在媒体公布“联通iPhone一机两店 沃商城与App Store并存”（http://cnbeta.com/article... ），难道不能从新闻中看出联通的自以为是吗？至少此前认为不会有app store的人不少吧，这和我们传统印象中那些飞扬跋扈的垄断者一样的嘴脸。好了，现在有app store，你觉得联通会削弱自己的store吗，就是放一个“沃-3G”图标吗？那么第一张图片的CCTV是怎么来的？我觉得这三张图片就可以说明全部了，否则这就只是iPhone而不是联通iPhone了，这也是联通的可恶之处，看看国外的那些运营商，有这么通过低劣的形象来面对消费者的吗，有这么拼命想在app上分一杯羹唯利是图把消费者放在一边的运营商吗？从这些以及此前的移动（甚至电信）大力搞自己的app...
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- Hi-iD
@Hi-iD “一机双店”是联通和苹果在谈判中各退一步的结果，比起国外运营商，联通、移动有政策保护，在面对苹果时更强势一些。国外运营商不是为了消费者而向苹果妥协的，是为了消费者口袋里的钱和自身品牌效应而屈服的。对于运营商来说，这只是一单生意而已。所以，沃商城是联通为自己争取到的利益，而且作为一个软件平台，肯定还要支持其他手机的，是公司战略的一部分，至于运营得如何，设计得好坏，是水平问题，和“自以为是”无关。
- Yang
@Baiyssy 我没有说“更符合中国人的审美”，我说的是“符合中国市场上的平均审美水平”。想想，创造那些“和谐美学”的人也活跃在中国市场上，他们可是联通iPhone的目标客户哦～ 这和出台法规政策不一样，把它弄得难看没有任何人受益，这个UI能够出现，至少是满足了联通高层的审美要求，如果你觉得联通高层在中国人中算是见过世面、懂得欣赏的人，那么这个UI还在平均审美水平之上的。不要觉得难以理解，庞龙火的时候我也想不明白。
- Yang
对，国外运营商也需是为了消费者口袋里的钱和自身品牌而怎样怎样，但是首先这是职责问题，重视分工，不能我为了钱可以什么都自己来做吧，另外apple已经有这么好的app生态了，在此情况下还去做自己的app store ，司马昭之心路人皆知，看看上面的人对这个"沃G3"的评价，看看人们对它的评论，这不是“自以为是”还是什么？为国家，为了不被外国人控制？
- Hi-iD
如果我是联通，我就先不会这么急的去搞什么自己的app store，而是推出自己好的服务，包括自己的一些app，诸如结合3g的新服务，而不是立马开一个农贸市场，只求生产力，什么“开心农场”之类的
- Hi-iD
主页对比看得出，在中国搞电信业，政治是要比业务重要得多
- Ian Yang
这个界面，我给五个人看，五个人都说难看，红的过刺眼，蓝的过怪异，颜色的搭配很不协调，这并不是我说的，而是其他人一致认为的。这个代表了中国设计的平均水平？也许是吧，但是，更大的问题是联通根本就没有在这UI上下功夫做，魅族可以花大力气请eico设计界面，为什么联通不可以？显然说明，联通只想着捞银子。你也可以说这个只不过是页面的一小部分而已，这个当然，但是两个明显不搭的界面摆在一起难道联通高层看不出来，还是放之任之，只要能赚钱就好？这也是中国企业存在的普遍现象：我不需要做的多好，我只需要能够尽可能的赚钱。我记得暴雪高层曾经说过，如果魔兽世界在因为和谐问题，在中国被改动过大，暴雪会考虑退出中国市场，什么态度？这就是
- 拓 | wavesand
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@Hi-iD 如果你是联通，预测到未来手机软件商店会是重要增长业务，而苹果的app store一毛钱都不分给你，还肯定不兼容其他手机，加上处于优势的竞争对手已经有类似的业务了，你怎么办？不管急不急着开，最终都要开，迟早问题。在联通的计划里，沃一定是一个跨手机的软件、内容平台。至于开得好不好，如我前面所说的，水平问题。但联通开自己的app store这一点是没有错的。
- Yang
@Yang 我是联通，我上面已经说了，我不觉得现在联通去做app store能带来多少收益，而作为运营商最根本的是在网络，这一块我觉得比app store更值得挖掘，难道诱惑用户去下载一个小游戏赚个鸡毛钱，能比得上推出一个好的服务而收取月费强吗，比如交通服务，比如像 Nokia的NFC，很多东西不是单靠开发者或者小公司能实现的，等等太多了。移动联通为什么这么着急开app store，当然是目光短浅+利欲熏心，也许迟早要开（我不知道靠什么来推论），那么能不能做的像样点，至少不让人恶心吧。真正能跨平台跨手机的也就是个网站吗，从来没有想象的那样好的，我觉得无论移动还是联通在怎么打包自己SDK都成问题，因为连个脸面都做不好。如果明知道自己做不好还去这么不好的做还不是错误的吗？如果还不知道自己有多糟而去做，不就是动机态度就有问题吗。
- Hi-iD
@ Baiyssy “中国人的审美”就像“中国人的长相”一样，是一个大而虚的概念，“平均审美水平”就如“平均身高”（假定美有标准），可以具体化。我同意你说的“创造‘和谐美学’的人不见得就喜欢‘和谐美学’“的观点，但不都是出于狂妄，也可以因为没有见过“美”。就如Maya Lin设计华盛顿越战纪念碑的时候，当时人们听说纪念碑不是耸立的，而是低于地平面的，就崩溃了。
- Yang
@ 拓|wavesand 暴雪的例子说明苹果态度有问题，只想在中国捞银子，如果要改正，就应该让iPhone退出中国市场。
- Yang
怕被说成托，先申明一下，联通和我没啥关系，我也没有他家的股票 ：）
- Yang
设计应该尽量地告诉人们什么才是美的，而不是糊弄。一个用心设计的ui不应该是这个样子。
- ashbee
“而一位曾参与与苹果谈判的移动运营商高层人士则曾对我说过一句话：「乔布斯是那种桌子上所有东西都要抢走，一点不留给你的人。」”（http://apple4.us/2009... ）我想着联通说出这样的话，是多么的有画面感啊！
- Hi-iD
看来确定以及肯定是老乔的偏执成就了如今的iphone
- ashbee
@Hi-iD 联通订了500万台iPhone，在做销售预期计划的时候，app store 的收益不会少。从上面几张图片看，沃不止卖软件，也卖内容的。 还有，这句话是移动的人说的，联通肯定做出了不少让步的。
- Yang
有一点我错了:cctv 那个是apple的app store上的，cctv自己做的。
- Hi-iD
@Baiyssy 你没有看清楚，我说“中国人的审美”像“中国人的长相”一样，是一个大而虚的概念。
- Yang
“中国人的审美”像“中国人的长相“一样，这个实在是有问题，审美可以变，长相不能变
- ashbee
首先所谓的生意人有两种，一种是踏踏实实做企业的，一种是只讲效益的生意人，他们只注重眼前的，什么东西赚钱做什么。做为领导人，是要明白什么是我不能做的，而不是想尽办法捞钱。马云说“赚钱只是结果，不是你的目的。如果你一心只想着钱，那你的这种欲望是会从你的眼睛，嘴巴里喷出来的。你看看这界面上乱七八糟的字体，乱七八杂的颜色，还有这些服务，难道看不到他们的欲望吗？
- LXR
那个，Baiyssy和Yang，推荐你们看笔记人翻译的这篇文章 http://www.douban.com/note... 有关“理解”和“科学严谨性”，以及认识世界。
- vjay
长得难看就是错啊，老子花钱了，结果买来的界面还不如自己在书店看到的配色宝典。另外，不知道里面的菜单是不是都是这个样子，但是这个大红大蓝的，还真是普通大众理解的“中国色”。
- DC
没信仰
- ashbee
我对这个词（意识形态）比较晕，以下是维基百科里的“努力追求權力的組織會去影響社會中的意識形態，將它變成他們想要的樣子。政治組織（包括政府）與其他團體（比如說在議會外遊說通過議案的團體）試圖透過傳播他們的意見來影響民眾，這也是為何社會中的許多人通常看起來都有「類似的想法」（think alike）”。
- ashbee
一觉醒来，都说到企业道德了。我同意Hi-iD说的企业没有道德概念。用道德来评价一个企业，最终受害的是消费者。那些每年捐钱慈善的公司集团，绝非道德高尚，可以减免税收、好名声而已；安全召回产品，绝非注重道德，因为诉讼成本太高、企业形象受损，不要天真的认为有些企业是“为人民服务的”。前不久刚刚参与了一宗召回案例，一大堆高层聚在一间会议室里，窗帘全拉上，谁都不许开手机，不许记笔记，拿出数据，比较多大可能出事、出事了需要赔多少，有没有赢的把握，召回又亏多少，这些产品是报废还是可以返工…… 要知道这家公司还是以慈善、高品质著称的世界100强企业。有道德的企业是不靠谱的，我们要的是严格的法律和监管机构，这样才能根本上杜绝三鹿奶粉案的再次发生。不然，对企业道德的期盼就会变成“清官情结”。
- Yang
我来啦～现在讨论到哪里？
- woodear
在垄断的环境下，设计不创造价值。西方的设计环境好，是因为在竞争的环境下，产品设计得不好，就赚不到钱。只要垄断一天不破除，只要竞争一天不公平，设计就永远不会长进。作为中国的手机用户，我们没有选择不被强奸的权利，我们只有选择被谁强奸的权利。哦对了，我回国调研两个月，为了配合HTC hero，我选择了被联通强奸。联通的3G,WCDMA,传说中的沃。@Yang，我觉得被强奸也就算了，国情在那里。但是如果被强奸了还不让喊，还不能过过嘴瘾，也会有越来越多的杨佳们冲到移动/联通/电信的移动大厅的。不要瞧不起老百姓。敢不敢把无线通讯市场开发，让AT&T来中国卖iphone，你猜老百姓会买哪个？“在中国不能推行民主制度，因为民众素质不高，要出乱子的。。。”这样的论调是不是听得耳熟？敢不敢把一些试点省市的基层直选放开，你猜老百姓会选哪个？ 好啦，打一下再揉一揉，最近联通和电信的单向收费和取消漫游还是要表扬的。资费设计得好一点，界面设计得再丑，也还是可以忍的。
- woodear
@ Baiyssy 握手同意，所以需要法律来保护自己的权益，不能靠企业的良知，用道德评价企业也只是我们一厢情愿。
- Yang
@ woodear 选择被谁强奸的权利非常的重要，不然我们现在还付一块多一分钟的话费。在美国一样，你不是被民主党强奸就是被共和党强奸，正因为这个选择权，使他要悠着点。被强奸了当然可以喊，但喊了有用吗？我们一遇到什么事，就扯到意识形态、体制、国情上去，自己吓唬自己，呻吟一下阿Q过去。能不能反省自己，行动一下，彪悍点，认为联通iPhone不好，就抵制不要买；再彪悍点，打通联通客户电话骂一通；更彪悍点，自己设计一套UI，在联通大楼门口堵联通高层去。
- Yang
@ Baiyssy 非洲人就不认为中国人比他们好看，甚至其他人种都不一定这么认为，所以审美是一个主观的概念，不可衡量。抱歉，我举不出例子来，因为我不知道“中国人的审美”是什么，就和我不能说中国人长得俊还是丑一样。相反的，我知道中国人的平均身高，也知道“中国人的平均审美水平”，充斥在市面上的让诸位嘲笑的产品就反映了这个水平。这些产品同时也阻碍这个水平的提高，造成这个结果， 我们当然可以把责任全部推给企业老板、政府领导，觉得他们又土又俗又自大狂妄，搞出来的东西恶心自己不算，还糊弄大众。但中国的设计师没有责任吗？投老板所好，违心做出自己都不喜欢的设计，不会想尽办法说服决策者接受自己的作品，一心盼望着遇上个明主，不捍卫自己的设计，要怎么改就怎么改。中国消费者就没有责任吗？正是大家的姑息、妥协惯坏这些企业。普通人可以嘲笑，而业内人需要行动。
- Yang
同学……淡定点。。。自己有看法，然后分享出来就好了，在这里你说服不了谁，也没谁能说服你。在这里的目的只是寻求对自己有用的信息啊。
- DC
@vjay 正在读，谢谢推荐！
- Yang
@Yang。恩。赞你的堵高层。我堵过一会我们系主任。。。
- woodear
这玩意儿不好，就那么简单。
- albertpkmn
高管几年一轮换，走时连带大量亲信，难免注重眼前利益...WCDMA虽进展得最慢，但联通iPhone的话题却不断...UI是很难看，不相信设计师会如此没品，可不可以把它理解为另一种炒作...先给你一个极低的预期，以后每一次的改进会让多数人觉得越来越好？
- size-design
真tm可趁！！
- y266_2000
我倒觉得可以理解联通和移动的行为，在本行业市场份额基本固定的情况下，寻找新的盈利增长点，在可能的未来市场上分一杯羹，是高管们顺理成章的想法。至于做又不踏踏实实做出好东西，应该是垄断企业的通病：既然不需要竞争，何必费那个劲呢。右边那三张图片应该只是联通沃的网页，可能是纯工程师弄出来的，可能高管们压根没有想过要请设计师。（那个红和那个蓝基本是纯色，我不认为学过几天设计的人会搞出这个东西。）
- Yan
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I''m more of a beginner, use Blogger, but it doesn't look as professional as I'd like to eventually have. Plus my budget is very tight right now and I don't know how much setting up a Wordpress blog like this would cost. Anyone have any insight or tips?
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
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You could try setting something up at wordpress.com. I'm sure you can get a full WP setup running for free using yourname.wordpress.com. You can play with all the features and install new themes. If you find you like it, then migrate to a hosted solution using your own domain.
- Keith Bennett
I set up a few wordpress blogs but found Blogger more intuitive.... I may just be a wee bit slow, too... ; )
- Fossil Huntress
Thesis es lejos el mejor themes para WorPress!
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