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I'd like to reiterate my call for Facebook to open source the Friendfeed codebase (as AOL did when it bought Netscape). A federated OpenFriendfeed is the best for users - and fits Facebook's move toward an open social platform. I'll pay to run a server. Would you?
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I agree with this fully.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I can't imagine that the terms of the acquisition would permit this to happen. Oh, wait... Facebook take FriendFeed open source? Maybe in two or three years after they squeeze every bit of life out of it, ala Google/Jaiku
- Ken Sheppardson
Would that mean there would be dozens of Friendfeeds all trying to get us to come to them?
- Mark
I support this fully
- Ryan
yes what about a free GAE
- abdellah
Oh I agree. But with Facebook's record? HAHAH! Oh god, I need a mint.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
I'll file this away under "Never Gonna Happen"...
- Andrew Terry
Jaiku is not dead. It was bought for a reason, and yes, it will resurface soon. you just wait n see.
- binmugahid
yes
- andy brudtkuhl
I agree with Andrew...
- Suril Amin
I don't think I'd pay, but I'd love to have it open source
- Jake Anderson
Worked for AOL. We got Mozilla and they got a much improved Netscape.
- Leo Laporte
Leo, I think you have a little too much "hope" on this. Maybe you're just thinking if Facebook was smart, then they'd do that.
- Mark
Facebook is much smarter than you're giving them credit for. I think.
- Leo Laporte
great idea Leo, i'm 'cautiously optimistic' at this point in time about the future of FriendFeed... lets hope for the best people
- Chris Heath
There is no value in that to them. Why open source something that give them a competitive edge.
- binmugahid
I do not agree. It destroyed netscape. let Facebook use the best features of FriendFeed in it. Keep the talent like the four ex-google founders. Open source is not the answer to everything. sometimes Closed Source is better for the users as well. Just keep the innovations coming and it will be fine
- hasanahmad
They've got the Friendfeed team. That's probably what they really wanted. Getting the open source community working on the FF codebase and contributing it back to Facebook is a win for everyone.
- Leo Laporte
On the other hand, I ike to see Laconica (identi.ca) getting more like ff.
- Chanux
Wow did this just happen today?
- bravestface
yesterday
- Chris Heath
Open-sourcing Communicator may have ultimately destroyed Netscape as a brand but without that move, I suspect we'd all still be developing for IE6. Great call, Leo.
- Jared Smith
Excellent idea Leo.
- Adi
I just can't stand Facebook. To many people I let in from my youth that I don;t want to see
- bravestface
Yes.
- .LAG liked that
You're assuming that Facebook bought the company JUST to get the developers, and not because they want to integrate many/most of the features into their service. If they want the features, they don't want a bunch of clones competing with them.
- Joel Bennett
I'll send you a hefty donation for that Leo.
- jcunwired
bravestface: That's not FB's fault you let them in. sheesh.
- Gus
when will twitter be back up any 1 know
- daveccorey
There already is an open source clone of twitter - see identi.ca and laconia or whatever it's called
- Doug Holton
True. very True Gus. My own fault. Perhaps I need to setup an Alias account that encompasses what i really want
- bravestface
I already run a Laconica server at http://army.twit.tv - I don't think we need another Twitter clone. We need something more like Friendfeed. Or maybe Wave will be the answer.
- Leo Laporte
hay hay hay, sin duda un tema un tanto escabrozo, pero entre Facebook y Google, esto no lleva a nada bueno.. i'ts a hard theme, no doubt about that, but between facebook and google we are going to hell !!!!!!
- Đoи яамoη
Or Pushbutton?
- bravestface
This would be amazing.
- Adam Teece
The Wave *protocal* might be a part of the answer... or just giving yourself over to whatever Google wants you to use might work (i.e. Wave, Reader, Gtalk, etc.)... but I don't really see Wave asdirect 1-for-1 FF replacement.
- Ken Sheppardson
Too many systems in place
- bravestface
They open sourced the Facebook code base (fbopen)... the license is very restrictive, however. FB owns all code modifications. Probably be the same license for FF.
- Kurt
In know people that have replaced their email with Twitter....that just isn't right...we need one locator that many systems can reach
- bravestface
Great idea Leo. Now let's see what they do, if they're listening.
- Kelly Mitchell
Leo - your last comment is why I think Facebook bought Friendfeed: "We need something more like Friendfeed. Or maybe Wave will be the answer." This is going to be a product they will launch in opposition of Google Wave. It will surface Q1 of 2010 and will have some of the same features that Wave has - but be closed sourced to Facebook.
- Jeff Vreeland
I see what you mean. Facebook and Google though don't really open source their web apps
- Doug Holton
Facebook doesn't seem to have a good reputation with those kind of thing. Facebook promised to open their chat/IM system via XMPP. More than a year has passed since they announced this XMPP system it still did not happen. We still have to rely on screen-scraping methods to implement Facebook chat on third-party IM systems (like the 3rd party Facebook chat plugin for pidgin called pidgin-facebook).
- Gideon Guillen
I would love to see friendfeed become opensource. Mostly as a developer I would love to see the code. See how friendfeed works.
- mikemcmullan
An "open FriendFeed" could be Facebook's chance to get something lined up to compete with Google Wave. Without it, Google and Twitter are going to own the real-time communication space.
- Derek Gathright
Completly agree!
- Jamie-Lee Mclean-Davis
from Nambu
Absolutely.
- Ian Littman
OS FF would be awesome, but making it a federated service is an entirely different ball of wax. Just ask the Wave guys. They said during the original IO presentation that federation was one of the harder parts (though FF would be easier w/o the real time editing piece, but still).
- Patrick Sullivan
OS FF
- Malcolm Bastien
I think a integrated RSS/FB/FF/GW/Twitter client will be an interesting real time inflection point
- Jim Posner
I totally agree Leo. I can't help but think that this deal is going to be a massive success or a massive flop - nothing in the middle! It's simple things like opening the FF source that can help make it a massive success IMHO.
- Chris Cathcart
I would just like to see the real-time commenting open-sourced.
- patrick
wow Leo you sure know how to get a topic started
- Joe Geeting
I actually was hoping Twitter would be the one to grab it up. Seems like a natural progression for Twitter to make. I just hope Facebook doesn't bury it and they actually use it. As far as open source it? Could be interesting.
- Michael Bower
In a secure and closed environment it could be a powerful communication/collaboration tool for businesses. Features of a chat, but persistent. Ability to share photos & files...
- Ken Bauer
definently
- Ryan Peach
Right-o
- Myrddin Emrys
I would love for this to happen. Federated Friendfeed servers would be quite fun and is the logical step for a great Internet service which aggregates disparate information from all over.
- rob friedman
You know what, Jaiku was open sourced. And nobody uses it anymore. The fact that "it" (FB open sourcing FF) will happen or not is completely irrelevant. Because you will all be hopping on the next early adopter miracle train (read:service) anyway. So stop whining and move on. Federated this, federated that. identi.ca tried that. Again, no users. It's nice to talk the talk. Especially at times like this. You just gotta walk the darn walk afterwards. Which people usually forget to do.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Whoa... you should enhance your calm. Communities are finicky things and sources like Microsoft that are poo-pooing Open Source IMHO is the real problem. Me thinks that a better source of education to dissipate the FUD floating in the global porcelain bowel instead of modern political tactics are are needed to solve real problems.
- Myrddin Emrys
very good proposition, i'd pay
- Brian Appleby
Leo, like this idea.
- Kol Tregaskes
adoption of open standards such as OMB, which is used by laconica, would allow federation among servers
- Mike Chelen
It will one hell of a start, I doubt it though...
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
It would be a good thing, but not sure it it will ever happen
- Thomas Lee
I support this as well.
- Carlos Ayala
Now this is something I would fly out to support at the launch...
- Johnny Worthington
Another reason why Leo kicks ass
- Mo Kargas
If FriendFeed went open source identi.ca / lamonica would be dealt a serious blow. FriendFeed could become even more powerful if the people could tinker with the code and add many features that remain missing, or strengthen features that currently are weak. It will be interesting to se how FB utilizes their newest acquisition...
- Randy Shapiro
FYI, there's already an open source alternative: http://www.fftogo.com/e...
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
absolutley ;)
- Kenneth Reitz
i would pay
- cheapsuits
ive all ready got a amp for 5 bucks 4 twitter that was suspsose to help twitter run better guess what it dont
- daveccorey
no definitely not. it would shift everything to Chinese government... Damn, millions would have their rest life in prisons.
- xiawinter
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what a gem! "never look at the trombones, it only encourages them" need to find time to watch the whole thing.
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Videogames help keep seniors sharp by preventing the onset of dementia - http://www.redorbit.com/news... (via @advee77)
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The race to map Africa and ethical issues around online mapping : crisscrossed blog http://www.crisscrossed.net/2009...
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RT @EllnMllr: Cool new timeline on transparency actions now on WhiteHouse.gov http://www.whitehouse.gov/open...
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Re: twdsc.us: @davewiner. "First impression of Google Wave: It is totally not what I wanted. But totally predictable." - http://twdsc.us/3...
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"Yup, that's what I see. They decided they needed to control everything so that's what they set out to do. The problem is the rest of us don't need them to control everything. Plus if I want to develop for it, I have to use their tools, and run my code on their servers. They promise at some point to support other languages. That's a very weak promise. I'd much prefer to see an open XML-based API from the get-go and let the toolkits follow, which they are sure to."
- Dave Winer
Come on Dave give them a chance, its not even version 0.1 yet, we know from Google they add features as they go along and starrt with barebones. Look at Google Chrome when it launched how bare it was.
- David Lloyd
How is it being an XMPP extension based protocol *not* open? And XMPP servers are federated - so to join you just need to set one up.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Mike, I just read their blog post about how you extend it and embed it. DId you read my tweet? It's only 140 characters. It says: "First impression." In any case, it's so megalomaniacally boring. Oh Google thank you for reinventing *everything* -- just what I was waiting for. Not.
- Dave Winer
I was just giving you my "First Impression" reaction to your "I'd much prefer to see an open XML-based API" and pointing out that the protocol is open and is XML based. Sorry for assuming that if your commenting on how the protocol doesn't fit your needs that you had read the protocol draft.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Oh the drama of it all
- David Lloyd
No drama from my end - I meant that literally - I apologized for assuming he was familiar with the spec draft and jumping on him for saying it wasn't open.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Everything's cool :-)
- Dave Winer
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RT @sylwiapresley: I am looking for sponsors and media sponsors for http://www.barcamptransparency-uk.org/ #bct09 anyone?;)
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Delivering Digital Inclusion: An Action Plan for Consultation - Communities and neighbourhoods - Communities and Local Government - http://www.communities.gov.uk/publica...
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context please..?
- Yishay Mor
@thaumata totally agree. Friending & unfriending less fluid since quitter - more mindful of upsetting the easily upset people i guess
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It's as if the nation showed up at breakfast fresh after a long-needed shower this morning
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It's as if the nation showed up at breakfast fresh after a long-needed shower this morning
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Web 2.0 Storytelling: Emergence of a New Genre (EDUCAUSE Review) | EDUCAUSE CONNECT - http://connect.educause.edu/Library...
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I LOVE THIS SO MUCH
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FTW!!
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"I choose Barrack Obama because he didn't bomb anything. If he somehow dies, some stupid person will not get in office. Obama is not an oil tycoon yay." Student essay on why to choose Obama over McCain. Smiles all around.
- Alice Robison
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free downloadable comic & lots of great news and resources re: voting rights. spinoff from rolling stone article from week of 10/30 by palast and bobby kennedy jr.
- Alice Robison
Nov 20, 2008: Online Community Managers London Meet-up (from e-mint and FreshNetworks) at The square pig - http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event...
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New in Labs: Stop sending mail you later regret - http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008...
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The Poetry of Sarah Palin - http://www.slate.com/id...
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these just keep getting better and better.
- Alice Robison
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my friend eric's website. i think it is teh awesum.
- Alice Robison
Carnegie & MIT's Opening Up Education: Open Technology, Open Content, and Open Knowledge is out & free to download http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog...
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Ethan Zuckerman: good deal of innov in Africa but lack of media attn. ex: Ushahidi.com - open s/w platform to crowdsc crisis info #picnic08
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Funny BBC clip on Facebook's social interaction acted out in real-life: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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tnx! made my day. http://yishaym.wordpress.com/2008...
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