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Toast goes in the toaster.
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No. Toast comes OUT of the toaster. Bread goes in. :-)
- Lisa L. Seifert
Wrong! Bread that is destined for the toaster actually exists in a pre-toasted state and thus: toast goes in the toaster.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Who's to say which bread is pre-destined, though? (This is a weird conversation.)
- Lisa L. Seifert
@lisa Presbyterians believe the toast is pre-destined other believe the bread has a choice to make once inside the toaster.
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
"Who's to say which bread is pre-destined" - the bread gods?
- Brian Sullivan
Let's ask Louis
- Steven Hodson
This is the deepest conversation on FF EVER.
- Eric Schlissel
from twhirl
Louis is a bread god?
- Brian Sullivan
Toast that comes out of the toaster was clearly destined to become toast because that is what it has become. We cannot look at a piece of bread and know that it was meant to be toast until it has become toast but once it has become toast we can say, 'Ah, yes, this slice of bread has become toast and thus it clearly has existed in a pre-toasted state up until now.' And thus: toast goes in the toaster.
- Akiva Moskovitz
This flies in the face of Schroedinger's Toast Theory which suggests that bread placed into a toaster exists both in a toasted and untoasted state that can not be determined until the damn thing pops up. It's one of the most delicious smelling theory in all of science.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I have had too much wine to follow this any further
- Brian Sullivan
Does your cat put jam on his toast?
- David Billingham
but then you should have said "Pre-toast goes in the toaster."
- edythe
:-D But Akiva, if I'm following you correctly, you might as well say excrement comes out of the toaster, because the toast "was clearly destined" to be eaten and subsequently excreted. You could go a step farther and say the nitrogen from the excrement goes into the ground, where it is taken up by more wheat, to make more toast, to become more excrement. Thus the universe is excrement in a constant state of becoming itself.
- Karim
Maybe it's not that "shit happens" so much as "shit is happening."
- Karim
The toast is not toast. There is no toast. There is no bread. There are only crumbs. All else is illusion.
- Roger Benningfield
you can say that again.
- edythe
@Brian Actually, I think Loic Le Meur is the supreme bread being (if I dream tonight about Loic teaching me to bake bread, I will have to stay off all social media for a week).
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Roger, that is very close to being a Crumbist heresy!
- Karim
Edythe:The toast is not toast. There is no toast. There is no bread. There are only crumbs. All else is illusion.
- Roger Benningfield
if (empty $toaster) { $toaster += $bread; while ($bread != $toast) ... }
- Tim Hoeck
from NoiseRiver
roger, i actually meant karim, but i'll take what i can get. :)
- edythe
Edythe: Thank you for confirming that I am, indeed, the Mr. Pibb to everyone else's Dr. Pepper.
- Roger Benningfield
lol awwww Roger, that is not what she meant... :-D Besides, I heard Pibb recently got his doctoral degree...
- Karim
i think they have something called Mr. Pibb Extra now.
- edythe
of course, it goes without saying that the water in the Mr. Pibb, extra or otherwise, was always destined to be Mr. Pibb, and therefore should be more accurately referred to as "water ingredient for Mr. Pibb". And the same goes for water ingredient for Dr. Pepper.
- Trent Olson
Karim, if you place a slice of bread into your toaster and then out pops excrement, I'd contact the manufacturer immediately and lodge a formal complaint. That toaster is a little TOO efficient.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, i think your comment has a typo...don't you mean to say "and then out *poops* excrement"? makes much more sense...
- Trent Olson
OMG you guys! Y'all have brought tears to my eyes.
- Yolanda
Hey... that rhymes! I wish there was a way to favorite a conversation here.
- Yolanda
Wow. This just kept going after I signed off last night. You guys crack me up. For shizzle.
- Lisa L. Seifert
[curtsy]
- Akiva Moskovitz
Are you wearing a skirt?? ;-)
- Lisa L. Seifert
THIS IS THE BEST THING EVER!!!
- Alex Scoble
NO WAY DO ANYBODY ELS NO BOUT DIS DISKOVERIE O_O
- Danny Minick
Erp. It's back.
- Lisa L. Seifert
I cannot believe that despite the name-dropping in this thread, that nobody actually asked me. I would clearly have illustrated how Akiva is wrong - again.
- Louis Gray
This is the one thing that I am definitely not wrong about.
- Akiva Moskovitz
This still cracks me up. Also, I miss Karim.
- Yolanda
I don't have a toaster, yet I can make toast. How is this possible?
- Jim in Real Time
Yolanda, me, too. He was the best drive-by commenter in his class.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I also miss Karim. *sigh*
- Lisa L. Seifert
If toast goes in the toaster, then a wife goes down the altar. Since I do not believe a pre-vows bride is a wife, I cannot agree that bread that has yet to be toasted is toast. [edit: also, if a toaster malfunctions and does not do any toasting, you don't have toast]
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
IZE SORRY I ENDANJURED U - http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008...
rowlikeagirl, Ňicķ, Charlotte M and 20 other people liked this
LOLing.
- Clay Newton
I'm in
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Here comes the man hug express! *hug*
- Andrew Dobrow
Luk atz mai uid!
- Yuvi
I guess this is technically an LOLHuman.
- Andrew Dobrow
awww
- Bryn Youngblut
Panda's are quite possibly the most absurd looking animal second only to the duck billed platypus. It is for this reason that I <3 dem.
- Geoff Schultz
Kungfu Panda is showing his sensitive side! :)
- imabonehead
*bump*
- Micah Wittman
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long live #WCF!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Roberto Bonini
Did you solve the problem yet?
- Jemm
The problem isin't with WCF itself, its with the configuration. Its so touchy it may as well be jelllo
- Roberto Bonini
Good to hear, Tad.
- Roberto Bonini
Rah Rah! https://www.wcfgroup.com/wcfWebs...
- Josh Haley
The "Auto LG" bot is often quite prescient. http://www.twitter.com/autolg
Alex Scoble, Yuvi, Stephen Mack and Roberto Bonini liked this
I think I'm confused. Do you have an autobot or has someone created one to mimic you? I really don't understand. I do not get autobots. Not sure I see any purpose for them.
- Sheryl
Yuvi made this one which takes excerpts from my blog posts and mashes them up. Many times, they are amusing. Other times, they are just nonsense.
- Louis Gray
Sheryl - Autobots protect us from the evil Decepticons. :) Seriously, though, that account is pretty interesting. I might actually follow it, just to see what pearls of wisdom drop from it.
- Curtiss Grymala
There's one for Mona too - http://twitter.com/automona - which is, by LG's admission, far more hilarious than LG's :)
- Yuvi
I don't have infinite storage capacity.
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A practical scalable distributed B-tree - http://www.hpl.hp.com/techrep...
Nagender Parimi, binic, Dmitry 'radiant' Volkov and 76 other people liked this
"Moreover, our algorithm is conceptually simple: we use transactions to manipulate B-tree nodes so that clients need not use complicated concurrency and locking protocols used in prior work. To execute these transactions quickly, we rely on three techniques: (1) We use optimistic concurrency control, so that B-tree nodes are not locked during transaction execution, only during commit. This well-known technique works well because B-trees have little contention on update. (2) We replicate inner nodes at clients. These replicas are lazy, and hence lightweight, and they are very helpful to re- duce client-server communication while traversing the B-tree. (3) We replicate version numbers of inner nodes across servers, so that clients can validate their transactions efficiently, without creating bottlenecks at the root node and other upper levels in the tree."
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, I think many of us are going to trust your opinion on this white paper. All Greek to me.
- Jon-Paul Bussoli
All I understand is that it is in my best interests to cheer for the way you access B-tree nodes in order to continue to enjoy friendfeed reliably. Go friendfeed algorithm go!
- Jon-Paul Bussoli
What, no comparison to BigTable?
- ⓞnor
@nor It's really not the same thing, unless somehow you're using a distributed B-tree on hash collision, however, if you're getting that many collisions, then the hash algorithm is probably wrong or your key width is too small. Then again, I really don't know what I'm talking about.
- Eric Florenzano
Curious as to what problem Paul is looking at... My default data toolkit these days would probably include sqlite for in-memory data, sharded bdb's for btrees that are too big for memory, and hbase/hypertable for a distributed store. I wonder where this fits in...
- DeWitt Clinton
Ok this is a really *nerdy* post! :*)
- Susan Beebe
DeWitt, I just thought that it looked like an interesting paper. As for the several solutions you mention, I don't know that any of them have distributed transactions (maybe bdb, but that doesn't really work).
- Paul Buchheit
B-Trees and Prof. Bayer http://wwwbayer.informatik.tu-... - would be interesting to know what he'd say, unfortunately he's retired a few years ago. Used to be fairly approachable in all matters B-Tree.
- Mustafa K. Isik
@DeWitt - no room for a traditional SQL based database except as an in memory database?
- Nick Lothian
we had designed and implemented distributed tree control, but transactions were considered "too much" for near-real-time, and they were already in protocol... the rest you know as xGSN boxes in GPRS/3G/HSDPA - dynamic routing for mobile packet networks. I'd left team in 2003...
- A.T.
@paul - I'll readily admit to being out of my depth, but it depends on what the definition of "distribution transaction" is. With bdb a combination of local transactions and guaranteed consistent replication you can approximate a distributed transaction at the cost of speed. See http://www.oracle.com/technol... and http://www.oracle.com/technol.... But those won't work across bdb shards.
- DeWitt Clinton
@paul - A table-based distributed store can do this via a lock on entity groups, where entity groups are defined by relationship formed by instances of similar models that belong to the same parent-based ancestry chain. This is how App Engine transactions work -- see http://code.google.com/appengi... and http://code.google.com/appengi.... Ping ryan for some background there. Not sure if hbase or hypertable support this via their api.
- DeWitt Clinton
@nlothian - I dunno. Offline maybe?
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt: have you ever successfully used BDB with millions of newly written entries and transaction support turned on? We kept getting transaction logs with millions of entries that were never consumed, so restarts would take hours as it replayed the logs. Configuring BDB to work for large databases is insanely esoteric to say the least, and it may be impossible to get it to work acceptably in some cases.
- Bret Taylor
@bret -- no, definitely not with large databases. We used bdb's heavily at my last company, though. Aggressive sharding is the key if you want to support either transactions or replication, which matches intuition about how it is implemented.
- DeWitt Clinton
But your comment about millions of entries makes me wonder about which data is getting written to which place. I suspect a lot of problems like this end up with the bulk of the data being written transactionless + replicated to a table-based store (or a transactionless bdb), and only a small subset of the data gets transaction support. So multiple datastores. But you guys know this better than I do, so why am I rambling? : )
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt, you can also look into all the trouble that Gaia had with bdb - I simply wouldn't trust any fancy bdb functionality.
- Paul Buchheit
Also, AppEngine transactions are limited to a single "entity group", which I assume means a single BigTable tablet. Essentially, they solved distributed transactions by not having them -- all transactions must be local to a single tablet. From the docs: "Every entity belongs to an entity group, a set of one or more entities that can be manipulated in a single transaction. Entity group relationships tell App Engine to store several entities in the same part of the distributed network."
- Paul Buchheit
@paul - yup, that's the trade-off. Entity groups ensure locality, locality makes transactions fast(er). Same old lever problem -- speed of consistency vs. scope of the transactions.
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt, there's nothing wrong with having local transactions -- I'm just pointing out that they aren't distributed transactions.
- Paul Buchheit
Point taken. I got way off-topic regarding your original post anyway.
- DeWitt Clinton
The design seems reasonable. The only part that is under-specified is the way they switch from a master node to a slave. I'm curious why they don't use transactions to maintain replicas but instead rely on some unspecified master/slave replication scheme.
- Private Sanjeev
I've got four monitors on one computer - all 24 inch widescreens. Nice.
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ooooo!
- Yuvi
i have 2x 24 inch wide screens works fine - but four hmmm mabye soon :-)
- Sean Price
hope you are putting them to good use? you might want to like some more things on FF too ;), keep FF open on one and just like everything you see like @scobleizer does :)
- Tweet Feeds
How are they arranged?
- raphaeL
Got to meet Duncan Riley. It took me a few minutes to remember that he blocked me on FriendFeed because of the Moment of Win. #gnomedex
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Ah, the good old days.
- Steven Perez
I resisted the urge to ask him if he still had us blocked.
- Rochelle
He looked extremely uncomfortable around us.
- Akiva Moskovitz
yeah, he's not subscribed to me anymore either...
- Lindsay is in 20-ten
I think anyone would look uncomfortable around a sheep wearing a business suit...
- Spidra Webster
Haha, Spidra!
- Anne Bouey
I almost forgot that name. Now I have to start over. :p
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
May I learn what this "Moment of Win" entailed?
- Rick Cogley
Rick, I don't even remember now. It was just a regular moment of win. There wasn't anything gross, profane, or even sexual about it, if I remember right. Duncan's just a cranky old queen who can't stand seeing people enjoy themselves.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Duncan's a crazy old queen?
- Derrick
Cranky; not crazy. Just imagine Terence Stamp from Priscilla but borderline autistic.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Oops, typo on my end. Didn't know. Also, my dating pool just got a little larger.
- Derrick
His accent is so thick, I could only catch about every fifth word.
- Rochelle
I got blocked for merely mentioning or liking the MOW. I'd never participated up until that point.
- Rob Haas
I got blocked for replacing his amyl nitrite with Palmolive.
- Christopher Harley
I got blocked for... well, I don't know why I got blocked but I do know when. It happened about 8 hours after he said he wouldn't block me.
- Jim in Real Time
Sounds pretty bitchy. lol.
- Rick Cogley
I've never interacted with Duncan online but I had the opportunity to meet him last year. We had a pleasant discussion about Australia's IP infrastructure. In RL, I found him to be very personable. Seemed like an exceptional guy.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Oh, there's no doubting the guy's intellect.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Agree with Akiva. He's Sofa King brilliant it's scary.
- Jim in Real Time
I think at some point, we all go through Internet burnout, become tired, and at times, cranky. I know that I've been going through a spell of that. There's really not an excuse for bad Internet behavior but we are all still human.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
I also agree with Akiva about Duncan's intelligence. I'm pretty good at sizing people up. I'm pretty sure that Duncan, like a lot of people whom I know, are experiencing a period of frustration. Some of us are just better at hiding it than others. I tend to wear my heart on my sleeve, so I can relate. Then again, might be projecting.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Isn't that the guy who sang Barely Breathing and I can't find Pierre?
- Matthew DeVries
On a positive note, I find Rochelle and Derrick to be an oasis. They're comments are pointed and yet, uplifting. I appreciate this quality in other people. I just wanted to give my kudos and say, "Teh social medias, you're doing it right."
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
[Incendiary comment about Josh Haley removed, since he unblocked me]
- Cristo
:)
- Josh Haley
Page 142: A system that ignores feedback has already begun the process of terminal instability.
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Prediction: Apple will allow Silverlight applications in the App Store (or announce it as upcoming) by the end of 2010.
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WiMo 7 -> Full silverlight (with multitouch) = SOLD
- Yuvi
I totally agree Yuvi. Plus, when WiMo 7 comes out, SL will have full 3D support as good as or better than what's on the iPhone. This is one reason why Apple MUST release an iTablet - just to keep ahead of Microsoft. MS is just too good at taking existing paradigms and gobbling them up.
- Tad
from fftogo
I just hope they're not too late :(
- Yuvi
The more relevant question is... will it allow Silverlight before Flash? I think it's quite possible they will not allow either, especially with HTML 5 there should be little need.
- LogEx
Yuvi has a point. Eventually, maybe. IF Apple can be convinced that Silverlight can actually give a great user experiance (blah, blah, blah) and thats its worth their while. If Microsoft licensed it for free to Apple, i'm betting that the use of silverlight will increase dramatically.
- Roberto Bonini
+1 re Silverlight > Flash/HTML5
- Yuvi
Flash has a bad name when it comes to being responsible for crap applications.
- Roberto Bonini
@Roberto: If Apple is okay with it, then you don't even need MS - Moonlight! I'm pretty sure it'll get a surge of new devs if Apple announces support in the iPhone
- Yuvi
don't think so. what exactly do you think silverlight does that won't be available natively in the browser in the next 6-8 months? disclosure: far as I am concerned proprietary web plugins can go frak each other and get out of my browser
- mjc
+1 Michael
- Pat Hawks
Update: http://www.techradar.com/news...
- Tad
No indications that Apple will support it. Not sure why they would.
- LogEx
They will because Silverlight buys them a MUCH larger developer pool and they can make Microsoft bend waaaaay over backwards - a lot further than they can with Adobe.
- Tad
I'm not sure Silverlight would even work on an iPhone. Isn't it for Windows?
- raphaeL
Just hid from our first Jehovah's Witness in the new apartment. The guy slid a hilarious pamphlet under the door though.
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Every time I get a piece of Jehovah's Witness reading material, I always think they're big fans of Bob Dylan. "Yeah, All Along the Watchtower is a pretty rad song, but a whole religion based off of it? I'm intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter."
- Mark Trapp
They are a joke.
- Giraffes Up In The AIr
I just loved that it says "Are you prepared for the end of the world?" with this rough painting of a bunch of people walking away from a huge storm and into the sunshine. "The End is Near"
- James Ferguson
What I do is, I put the sticker I get when I go to give blood, on the door. Never get a ring ding dong from them :-P
- Rasmus Lauridsen
I was reading Bikini Girls of the Apocalypse and got leafletted with an end-of-the-world leaflet because of the book cover. I think they didn't notice the half-naked girl on the cover, just the mushroom clouds I used the leaflet as a bookmark.
- Wirehead
They do not have a finite amount the 144,000 taken initially to heaven would be judges from the tribes of Israel 12,000 x 12. Not really that different from belief in the rapture. They also believe in a resurrection that includes everyone. 1000 year reign of peace or millennium. Then a restored paradise earth.
- Eric Logan
Quick question: Have any of you actually listened for a few minutes??? Seems to me you are forming opionions without any facts.....
- Roberto Bonini
I agree, Robert. People should stop and listen to the Witnesses for a while and THEN slam the door in their faces. Same for any other door-to-door god-botherers
- Slappy Line
Eric: if I remember correctly, the 144,000 would be the only ones chosen by God to be taken to heaven. The others saved would live forever on Earth (albeit an almost perfect, if not perfect version of it), ruled by Jesus, the 144,000, and Dylan. Roberto: yes.
- Mark Trapp
My father was catholic Mark he converted to JW's which was my mothers religion after being diagnosed with and treated for brain cancer. He refused a second transfusion after conversion and died. I spent a considerable amount of time in my life gaining knowledge with the objective being to punch holes in my mothers belief system. I have uncles and aunts that are elders in their...
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- Eric Logan
Well, excellent mark - well done. Thats basically it (without Dylan). And Slippy - have had my share of doors slammed in my face. Its not nice.....
- Roberto Bonini
Wow, they're out in force. Rahsheen got hit this morning too.
- Neal Jansons
The JWs in my area have gotten more active lately. We had some come to our door a couple of week ago, and I've been approached at two different filling stations over the last two weeks.
- Joey Gibson
Probably trying to cash in on all the political and social strife. Ghoulish, but something they do. I remember after 9/11 there was a huge push in evangelism, and many groups said explicitly : 'When tragedies occur there is an opportunity for evangelism, people are more "open", let's get to it'.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
As i just told Rasheen, we are following Jesus command at Acts 1.8 "and YOU will be witnesses of me both in Jerusalem and in all Ju‧de′a and Sa‧mar′i‧a and to the most distant part of the earth." Last I checked very few "Christian" realigions do.
- Roberto Bonini
Eric: Roberto was the one wondering who actually listened to them, but thanks for the clarification about the 144,000; I guess I misunderstood what they were saying.
- Mark Trapp
I'm actually open enough to see what most of these religions have to say, but when you start talking about banging around with other men, they usually high tail it out of there.
- Derrick
Derrick, have you checked out a Unitarian Universalist church? I like their religion, but I found the folks that go there to be waaaaaaaay too far to the left for my taste. They're one of the few organized religions that openly welcome gays.
- Tad
We do not "cash in" as you so charitably out it..... We have been active for over 100 years. The preaching work is conducted in over 235 lands nations and territories. Our litrature is avaliable in over 400 languages (The Watchtower alone is printed in 140 languages simultaneously). We give everyone the opprtunity to learn about the bible regardless of language,social, political or economic conditions or status......
- Roberto Bonini
I got a visit from a Scientologist one time. I just said "Hail Xenu." and that scared him off.
- Wirehead
Tad, there's actually a United Methodist church in Hollywood that welcomes the gays and the two different pastors there are gay. I'm actually considering attending services there. http://www.hollywoodumc.org/home...
- Derrick
That is MUCH better than the stuff we have over here in India. Religious zealot turned moral police (i.e. Live like I tell you to, or I'll beat you up in the name of God!) is much less fun :( (The Government can't do nothin 'bout it, the Police can't do nothin 'bout it, and the Courts can't do nothin 'bout it. Sucks, pretty much)
- Yuvi
Roberto: no, you cash in. You see an opportunity to push your crap and you do. And I don't care whose "command" you think you are obeying...magic men that only exist in stories don't impress me. And making libraries of Bibles is "making available"...going door-to-door is nothing but religious spam.
- Neal Jansons
Derrick - I grew up in a United Methodist church in Mississippi. We were definetely the most liberal denomination in town. I didn't know, though, that they were accepting of gays. Last I heard they tolerated gays, but still felt they had to be "cured" to get into heaven. I may have to go do some research. If I ever decided I wanted to go to a Christian church again it'd be a United Methodist one.
- Tad
Yuvi wins! :) Much easier to be an atheist here in the US than in India. Sad, though, because the world's largest atheistic religion, Buddhism, was born in India.
- Tad
@Tad Buddhism has morphed a lot, though, and taken on a lot of theistic strains and generally supernaturalist ideas. It's come a long way from the Tripitaka.
- Neal Jansons
I'd encourage anyone who has the time to read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... That's only one part of the bigger picture here folks. These guys RAN the state for some time!
- Yuvi
If there was some proof of life after death / Then folks would spend their every breath / Praising the God who provided the pass / But there is no proof. Alas. Alas.
- James (!?)
And to add insult to injury, that political party split off (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...), and now the two political parties have gang wars.
- Yuvi
We guys have a really strange (and intriguing) political system. The same people come to power again. AND AGAIN. And again. The Chief Minister of my State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) has been Chief Minister for so-long-i-don't-really-remember. The DMK (current ruling party in my state) and the ADMK (majority opposition) have EXACTLY THE SAME IDEOLOGY, but somehow are sworn blood enemies. This would be EXTREMELY FUNNY if not for the number of lives ruined...
- Yuvi
@Yuvi That's crazy. Are there any real avenues for reform, or is the system truly corrupt?
- Neal Jansons
I'd say that it's hopeless. Then again, I'm a programmer, and the first thing I say when I see a mess is "Let's scrap that and rewrite the whole thing" :D
- Yuvi
Neal: I respect how you feel completely and i can understand it as well. I take from your comment hat you don't belive in the bible. right??
- Roberto Bonini
My brother's only contribution to the internet before his death (that I could find) was a text file that someone saved from his Christian BBS back in the 80's and published online. It was intended for Christians and explains how they should deal with JW's. It's quite clever, from a Christian perspective. If I were a Christian, I suppose their showing up should be an opportunity, rather...
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- April Russo (app103)
@Yuvi ROFL I have that urge again and again here in the US, too. "Government is an attempt to solve a problem case...this government doesn't do the job. Too many logic errors and bad designs to refactor and debug...time to re-engineer". The problem is that re-engineering governments is called "revolution" and causes suffering on massive scales.
- Neal Jansons
@Roberto I don't "believe in" anything. I believe that some propositions have such a great deal of justification and evidence that their likelihood of error is minute, such as laws of physics. I also believe that some things are "true" by definition so that we can build systems with them, like the axioms of logic and mathematics. I also believe that some things are not subject to...
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- Neal Jansons
Very good points there, Neal. So if one can prove things to be true, you'd have a justification to belive in them, right?? So, what "matters of fact" from the bible can be shown to be false???
- Roberto Bonini
Careful, it'll end in tears
- Slappy Line
@Roberto No, you have misread me...there is no epistemological concept of "proof" outside mathematics and logic, and it only works there because there is a closed system of rules with axioms you chose, and even then any sufficiently complete system will have undecidable propositions (see Godel). Nothing in real life gets truly "proven"; it just becomes very unlikely that some things are...
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- Neal Jansons
Unicorns?!?
- Steven Perez
Sure fire way to make sure they will never come to the door again: Answer it in the nude.
- Karma Martell
We're modest that way, Karma. :)
- Steven Perez
@Steven: Job 39:9-12 (King James Version) 9Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib? 10Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee? 11Wilt thou trust him, because his strength is great? or wilt thou leave thy labour to him? 12Wilt thou believe him, that he will bring home thy seed, and gather it into thy barn?
- Neal Jansons
not buying it, Steven :-)
- Karma Martell
@ neal: Here: (Job 39:9-12) Does a wild bull want to serve you, Or will it spend the night by your manger? Will you bind a wild bull fast with its ropes in the furrow, Or will it harrow low plains after you? Will you trust in it because its power is abundant, And will you leave your toil to it? Will you rely on it that it will bring back your seed And that it will gather to your threshing floor? - The New World Translation is acepted by most academic transators to be one of the most accurate. I asked.
- Roberto Bonini
As I said, Neal, we've revised a few things: "Does a wild bull want to serve you, Or will it spend the night by your manger? Will you bind a wild bull fast with its ropes in the furrow, Or will it harrow low plains after you? Will you trust in it because its power is abundant, And will you leave your toil to it? Will you rely on it that it will bring back your seed And that it will gather to your threshing floor?"
- Steven Perez
@Roberto If you can revise it, then it isn't "delivered truth". If it needed revising, then it wasn't "god-breathed, preserved through the ages". There are just as many "true-believers" who say KJV only, then there are those who read Hebrew who know damn well that doesn't say wild bull anymore than behemoth means dinosaur. ;)
- Neal Jansons
Besides, what about the rest?
- Neal Jansons
Erm Neal - can you read greek, hebrew or aramaic????
- Roberto Bonini
Many consider the word “day” used in Genesis chapter 1 to mean 24 hours. However, in Genesis 1:5 God himself is said to divide day into a smaller period of time, calling just the light portion “day.” In Genesis 2:4 all the creative periods are called one “day”: “This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day [all six creative periods] that...
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- Roberto Bonini
First “Day” 8 “‘Let light come to be.’ Then there came to be light. And God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a first day.”—Genesis 1:3, 5. 9 Of course the sun and moon were in outer space long before this first “day,” but their light did not reach the surface of the earth for an earthly observer to...
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- Roberto Bonini
Second “Day” 11 “‘Let an expanse come to be in between the waters and let a dividing occur between the waters and the waters.’ Then God proceeded to make the expanse and to make a division between the waters that should be beneath the expanse and the waters that should be above the expanse. And it came to be so. And God began to call the expanse Heaven.”—Genesis 1:6-8. 12 Some...
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- Roberto Bonini
Wait, what? You REVISED the bible? Did you manage to iron out ALL of the contradictory passages? Oh, hang on, you aren't gonna post the WHOLE FREAKIN' THING here are you? This aint the place. Discussion, yes. Argument, yes. Conversion, NO. You'll find no victims here.
- Slappy Line
Third “Day” 14 “‘Let the waters under the heavens be brought together into one place and let the dry land appear.’ And it came to be so. And God began calling the dry land Earth, but the bringing together of the waters he called Seas.” (Genesis 1:9, 10) As usual, the account does not describe how this was done. No doubt, tremendous earth movements would have been involved in the...
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- Roberto Bonini
Land Plants on Third “Day” 18 The Bible account adds: “‘Let the earth cause grass to shoot forth, vegetation bearing seed, fruit trees yielding fruit according to their kinds, the seed of which is in it, upon the earth.’ And it came to be so.”—Genesis 1:11. 19 Thus by the close of this third creative period, three broad categories of land plants had been created. The diffused light...
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- Roberto Bonini
Fourth “Day” 20 “‘Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make a division between the day and the night; and they must serve as signs and for seasons and for days and years. And they must serve as luminaries in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth.’ And it came to be so. And God proceeded to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary for...
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- Roberto Bonini
Fifth “Day” 24 “‘Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living souls and let flying creatures fly over the earth upon the face of the expanse of the heavens.’ And God proceeded to create the great sea monsters and every living soul that moves about, which the waters swarmed forth according to their kinds, and every winged flying creature according to its kind.”—Genesis 1:20, 21. 25 It is...
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- Roberto Bonini
Sixth “Day” 26 “‘Let the earth put forth living souls according to their kinds, domestic animal and moving animal and wild beast of the earth according to its kind.’ And it came to be so.”—Genesis 1:24. 27 Thus on the sixth “day,” land animals characterized as wild and domestic appeared. But this final “day” was not over. One last remarkable “kind” was to come: 28 “And God went on to...
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- Roberto Bonini
Slippy: fixing an error in translation is not a bad thing.
- Steven Perez
31 Many find it hard to accept this creation account. They contend that it is drawn from the creation myths of ancient peoples, primarily those from ancient Babylon. However, as one recent Bible dictionary noted: “No myth has yet been found which explicitly refers to the creation of the universe” and the myths “are marked by polytheism and the struggles of deities for supremacy in...
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- Roberto Bonini
Wow - it's everywhere today. They got me about four weeks ago and telling them we are raising the kids jewish didn't even stop them this time.
- Martha
@Roberto Have I not made it clear from my language I am familiar (very, very familiar) with Christian apologetics? I get it. It doesn't help and if you keep spamming the channel I will just block you...you are just copy-pasting. Please converse if you will, don't refer me to your pet authorities (of who all your opposition have their's, as well).
- Neal Jansons
I'm glad that my FriendFeed has become the new door for Jehovah's Witnesses to knock on. Thanks?
- James Ferguson
Erm, neal, I'm answering your question. I am not spamming the channel.
- Roberto Bonini
How do you know it's correct now then? Your word of god is immutable....until you change it. Now it's immutable and correct again, and must be followed to the letter....until somebody discovers another error.
- Slappy Line
@Roberto No, you spammed the channel with a bunch of cut-paste of your fave authority on the issue.
- Neal Jansons
Slippy - as i asked neal, can you read hebrew Aramaic or ancient greek???
- Roberto Bonini
james - sorry.
- Roberto Bonini
No. More importantly, can you?
- Slappy Line
@Roberto Actually, I can passably do both, especially the Greek. I was once studying to be a Greek Orthodox priest. You know, the people that never had to translate it because they never spent 800 years forgetting how to read and letting the Catholics do it for them.
- Neal Jansons
The words I believe you are looking for are "snip snap". :)
- Neal Jansons
Sorry you feel that way neal. But the text I copied and pasted comes from one of our publications. And is intended to answer your question..... Could i have been more selective? yes, most probabaly.
- Roberto Bonini
BTW, I have always wondered, why are the Christians constantly arguing about the right translations when there are still Hebrew speaking Jews and Greek speaking Greeks available? These aren't lost tongues, here.
- Neal Jansons
Wow. That is amazing Neal. Have you seen the original manuscripts??
- Roberto Bonini
Well, Robert, can you?
- Slappy Line
No i can't. My point being that translations are required. And having an accurate translation is like having an accurate roadmap - if its not accurate, you're going to get very lost. therefore its in all of our interst to find an accurate translation of the original bible texts.
- Roberto Bonini
Well, I've seen photographic plates of "J" and the alleged "Q", but not the others. As any Biblical scholar would tell you, there are no "original manuscripts" of the Bible. There is the Septuagint, which is the Greek translation of the Hebrew OT that would have been in use by Hellenicized Jews during the alleged time of Jesus, but that's hardly the same.
- Neal Jansons
So how do you know it's accurate now? I mean, the word of God was as immutable before the first revision as it will be after the last.
- Slappy Line
@Slippy: So you are saying that current translations are as reliable as this translation: http://www.lolcatbible.com ;)
- Jemm
@Roberto See, that's one of the issues that make it all so unbelievable...the god of the whole universe discloses his nature and will...to one set of people, in one time, in their own language, filled with the symbols of their culture, in complete symmetry with the biases and racisms of that people and time. Why does that seem likely to you? The very fact that it needs translating, that it is not available to all of us all the time, makes it much more likely to be just a story, of one group at one time.
- Neal Jansons
Exactly, Jemm. It's the FSM argument, and it wins every time :-)
- Slappy Line
Excatly right neal. there are no original manuscripts. But by comparing copies of those manuscripts that have been made - for example comparing the dead sea Scrolls to copies made hundereds of years later - we can be very confident that the copies are accurate.
- Roberto Bonini
That makes sense. This photograph of a photocopy of a document looks exactly like the photocopy, so it MUST be a photocopy of the real original document, Try taking that one to a copyright lawyer.
- Slappy Line
@Roberto But that doesn't help with actual Canon...in order to "believe in" the Bible, you have to believe in the divine inspiration of the Council of Nicea.
- Neal Jansons
@Roberto And then you also have to believe in the divine inspiration of Martin Luther (if you use the small Canon) for the parts he took out.
- Neal Jansons
the Hebrew cannon was established far before that particular council. isin't that the same council that established Christmas as december 25th???
- Roberto Bonini
In general, it seems odd to me that the god of the universe would 1) have a chosen people and 2) only bother to tell them about it. I mean, why didn't he tell everyone else, too? He's supposed to be THE god...why not tell the Canaanites "I have a chosen people, it's them, give them your land"? Would have saved a lot of slaughter of the innocents...
- Neal Jansons
In one study, scholars compared the 53rd chapter of Isaiah in the Dead Sea Scroll with the Masoretic text produced a thousand years later. The book A General Introduction to the Bible, explains the results of the study: “Of the 166 words in Isaiah 53, there are only seventeen letters in question. Ten of these letters are simply a matter of spelling, which does not affect the sense. Four...
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- Roberto Bonini
@Roberto But the Hebrew Canon is the not the Christian Canon, and the entire OT is not included in the Christian Canon. Wisdom of Solomon, anyone?
- Neal Jansons
read that to the end.....
- Roberto Bonini
the cannon of the bible has been well established. The Jewish historian Josephus, in answering opponents in his work Against Apion (I, 38-40 [8]) around the year 100 C.E., confirms that by then the canon of the Hebrew Scriptures had been fixed for a long time. He wrote: “We do not possess myriads of inconsistent books, conflicting with each other. Our books, those which are justly...
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- Roberto Bonini
@Roberto...link. to. texts. If you copy-paste again, I am done. Your ideas, your words. Give me the goddamn respect of taking me seriously and not just C/Ping at me. And you are not answering every point, just picking out the one's you feel like you have an answer for. I have answered every post you have made. If you do not wish to discuss this in earnest, please simply refer me to your favorite apologist and withdraw the field.
- Neal Jansons
josephus quotes: http://www.earlyjewishwritings.com/text...
- Roberto Bonini
Are you guys still going?
- Steven Perez
from IM
Yep.
- Roberto Bonini
Actually, I got bored and stopped a wee while ago. I'm on Google Latitude if you wanna take this up on the historical debating ground....my doorstep.
- Slappy Line
No, we are talking at cross-purposes. I thought we were debating epistemology, now apparently we are in copy-paste land from apologists who assumed the validity of the texts before they did their investigations. To Roberto, this all seems to matter, while to me this is just like arguing who shot first, Han or Greedo. Apparently the fact that the stories that I don't see any reason to...
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- Neal Jansons
That's how such conversations always seem to go Neal - I wouldn't take it personally...I can see that vein starting to throb on your forehead from here.
- Slappy Line
Okay, Yuvi wins the internet.
- Slappy Line
Or the Zoroastrians for that matter...oldest living religion on Earth, I believe, and their texts are all consistent, too. How wonderful for them all. If only the DC universe could stay as consistent I wouldn't be having to reread Crisis on Infinite Earths to keep straight who the current Supergirl is supposed to be.
- Neal Jansons
Well, in all fairness to Roberto, this is his faith you're attempting to poke holes into. I daresay that, given the right pressure point, you would not act in a dissimilar fashion, Neal.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Thank you Steven.
- Roberto Bonini
@Steven Actually, I have had to abandon several belief-systems because it became increasingly obvious they were not true. I was not always an atheist; I actually spent most of my life very religious until only a few years ago.
- Neal Jansons
Neal has a point - OUR faith is constantly under attack from EVERY religion, but most of us manage to keep a cool head about it in discussion - we also debate with our own words using logic, rather than using the received wisdom of others verbatim. Atheism comes to NONE of us lightly.
- Slappy Line
As for me, I've heard all of the objections you've raised about the Bible before, Neal, and they sound remarkably familiar to similar claims on the Bible's authenticity from times past. And yet, somehow, the Bible always manages to land on the correct side. So, to each their own, I suppose.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Slippy has the right of it...this thread was originally about theists going door to door pushing their beliefs on others, after all.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
Tag-team. ;-)
- Slappy Line
Well, if it makes you feel any better, the door-to-door thing won't last forever.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Yeah, when ARE you guys supposed to be ascending? Are we going with the 2012 thing? [edit] :-) <<<forgot the smiley
- Slappy Line
Pfff. Like the Mayans knew anything. They couldn't even deal with one little plague.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Damn you!
- Slappy Line
Seriously, the Jews had quarantine figured out while other people were feeding their sick dung.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Good point steven. No it won't. Neal. You have no belive in anything unless it is mathematically proven, right??
- Roberto Bonini
ALL HAIL STEVE JOBS!
- Yuvi
@Steven What do you mean by "correct side"? I would observe that the Bible has generally been abandoned as a premise for much of anything, whether the "divine" right to rule as a basis for government to cosmology, history, ethics, and science. In every place where the Bible rubs up against reality, it keeps getting pushed further and further into the gaps. When people are in court, the...
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- Neal Jansons
neal: Grab the nearest bible you have, turn to Isaiah 40:22 and tell me how isaah knew that Thousands of years before we had scienctific proof.
- Roberto Bonini
You want a "fer instance"? OK: Isaiah 40:22: "There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gauze, who spreads them out like a tent in which to dwell," So riddle me this, Batman: how does some sheep-herder out in the middle of nowhere know that the earth is round when all of his contemporaries say that it isn't?
- Steven Perez
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@Roberto I don't actually think you understand my epistemological standards at all, because you keep ascribing things to me that are in direct contradiction of what I say. I don't "believe in" anything...I believe that there are better reasons to believe some propositions than others. What I said was "proof", as in something is absolutely true, only exists in mathematics and only under...
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- Neal Jansons
"Circle of the earth" - flat earthers believed that the world was flat....and round. We now know it to be spherical. Your argument is invalid. Next. [edit] Almost spherical, I mean.
- Slappy Line
Erm slippy that was written 600 years BEFORE aristotle came up with that idea.
- Roberto Bonini
You can check the dead sea scrolls if you think i'm lying
- Roberto Bonini
And remember, the prevailing theories on that one ran counter this idea, too.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Or one of my personal favorites, Job 26:7 "He is stretching out the north over the empty place, Hanging the earth upon nothing;" How does some dude 4000 years ago, with no astronomical training or instruments, know that the earth is "hanging upon nothing"?
- Steven Perez
from IM
What is your argument? That this peasant knew that the earth was flat and round (which it isn't) is proof that the bible is right, simply because he had the wrong idea 600 years before someone else had the same wrong idea?
- Slappy Line
@Steven I am familiar with this, and while it is interesting, it is not all that odd. Many cultures already knew the world was round: the Greeks wrote of it being round because of the shadow of the earth on the moon during an eclipse, the Nords for some reason just said so, the Mesopotamians and Egyptians both wrote of the world as being a ball or circle. Just because western culture forgot some things during the dark ages doesn't mean no one knew it before.
- Neal Jansons
No, the word for circle in this verse also means "sphere", Slippy.
- Steven Perez
Actually, what I find far more interesting is that the oldest written documents already have a fully functional, though extremely limited, cosmology. Everyone seems to just inherit a knowledge of the star's motion and basic rotations, with only the mathematical limitations of a poor knowledge of ratios to limit leapyears.
- Neal Jansons
How do you know? If one word means both things, where is the distinction? How can you say that he means sphere?
- Slappy Line
Slippy: he is correct, in that dimensionality was not distinguished in shapes in ancient Hebrew very well.
- Neal Jansons
Well, you then do it in Assembler. Or maybe C. Or LISP!
- Yuvi
Okay, I just realized I'm turning into a Troll. STOP. HIDE. BYE.
- Yuvi
The Hebrew word chugh, here translated “circle,” may also be rendered “sphere.”3 Other Bible translations read, “the globe of the earth” (Douay Version) and “the round earth.”—Moffatt. Additionally, only a spherical object appears as a circle from every angle of view. A flat disk would more often appear as an ellipse, not a circle.
- Roberto Bonini
Yes, but that does not make him correct in that he doesn't KNOW they spoke of spheres and not circles. Because he wasn't there, hasn't read the original texts. All he can do is argue the ambiguity, which is a bit pointless, because that would mean accepting that my hypothesis is at least equally as valid as his
- Slappy Line
Damn, now I'm involved again. Thats the problem with these arguments. You defeat a point and the language just gets twisted up. It's annoying
- Slappy Line
You mean, besides most of the translations also translating the word circle in this vein? Gee, I guess not.
- Steven Perez
@Steven So if another religious text contained anachronistic scientific knowledge would you believe that? If it predated the Judeo-Christian tradition, would you convert?
- Neal Jansons
Popularity != evidence
- Slappy Line
Slippy: in translation and history, it can.
- Neal Jansons
Now you're nitpicking, Neal. You ask for a proof in my faith, and then try and use it to your benefit. Not cool.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Rich the point is - how did that get written??????
- Roberto Bonini
I would argue bias - that that translation is used because admitting the ambiguity would mean you don't get to use that particular verse as an argument, and as you both independently resorted to the same verse as your argument at the same time, it's obviously quite an important one to you. Unfortunately, it, like the earth is hung on nothing.
- Slappy Line
I guess. I mean, why wouldn't we know better than people trained in Bible translation, right? http://www.biblegateway.com/passage...; This link is the verse in several different translations other than my Bible. Look for yourself.
- Steven Perez
@Steven Actually, I am trying to prove a point...that what you would say counts as evidence for your faith would be discounted or explained away if held by another faith. I don't think anachronistic knowledge makes a claim for a religion...one doesn't follow from the other. The guy could just as easily been a time-traveller, making things up and right by accident, etc.
- Neal Jansons
It was crowdsourced!
- Yuvi
Independent thought > religious brainwashing
- Slappy Line
Aside from Neal's point about how many peoples knew or suspected that the earth was spheroid, what the heck does it matter? Why should I care if there if this or that amazing idea is in someone's holy book? The author ascribes it to his or her deity, but that doesn't make it so; there's no slam dunk there. You choose to believe. You argue from the authority you've accepted. I don't care...
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- James (!?)
Besides, as I already said...this wasn't anachronistic knowledge. Other cultures DID exist and DID have history, folks. (I know, hard to believe that anything other than the western narrative exists, but it does)
- Neal Jansons
Steven it doesn't matter how many or how learned the people are. If the dimensionality was not established at the time of origination, NOBODY can define the dimensionality now. There is literally no data to support any post-inception definition.
- Slappy Line
Do you honestly believe that Bible translators, trained in the nuances of the Hebrew language spoken at that time, didn't take that into account, Slippy?
- Steven Perez
from IM
Should we all be Greek Atomists? They came up with the basic notion of atomic theory millennia early.
- Neal Jansons
There's not a lot to take away from this inane discussion other than probably none of you should quit your day jobs to become lawyers or join a profession that requires persuasion.
- Mark Trapp
I did. :D
- Steven Perez
from IM
Steven - it wouldn't be the first incorrect piece of translation now, would it? So these great translators of which you speak are no more infallible than you or I.
- Slappy Line
Slippy, that's not true. You are making an argument that does not apply to how we study historical documents...when there is an implied meaning in a text it is generally understood and continued by contemporary writers, and as time go by when the ambiguity starts to show up the implied meaning becomes explicit through purposeful translation. Argumentum ad Populum isn't fallacious in history.
- Neal Jansons
Soooooo ... hundreds of skilled translators still living are wrong, Slippy, simply because they didn't show their work?
- Steven Perez
Which is why I added the link showing the various translations, Rich: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage...
- Steven Perez
I'm not saying the translators are wrong. I'm saying you are. Does it or does it not say "Circle" in the ENGLISH translation of the particular bible to which you refer? I assume this is a comparatively modern translation - one in which English speaking culture has knowledge of the difference between a circle and a sphere? Would these great and respected people not have used the english words that they MEANT to use? So, were it sphere, they would have used sphere, n'est pas?
- Slappy Line
As opposed to what, Slippy - "disc"?
- Steven Perez
Disk or disc would have been less ambiguous, as would sphere or ball, do you not agree?
- Slappy Line
Slippy - how may languages van you speak????
- Roberto Bonini
Not if the writer knew his audience would be so silly as to confuse something having depth as opposed to something flat.
- Steven Perez
Haha, It's not about how many languages I speak, Roberto, or how silly you think I am, Steven, but your simultaneous divergence tells me this argument is over.
- Slappy Line
*secretly wonders if James Ferguson thinks his random twitter post was hijacked".
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Slippy, no really, please, Steven and Roberto, et al, are correct on this one. And even if they wanted to withdraw the sphere/disc issue, Deuteronomy and Numbers both illustrate a knowledge of micro-organisms and contagion from mildew and decay, the translations are not ambiguous, and it is repeated. Almost all holy texts reflect some similarly anachronistic ideas...they are not persuasive, but are compelling.
- Neal Jansons
Neal, your timing is fucking terrible,
- Slappy Line
lol
- Neal Jansons
sorry
- Neal Jansons
lol, we're good
- Slappy Line
I am just trying to be honest. Weird shit is in there. I am not a moron, and there were good reasons I found some religious ideas compelling. The problem is getting from the small claims to big claims.
- Neal Jansons
Slippy - can you translate one language to another directly??? That is my point
- Roberto Bonini
So if the small details are proving to be accurate, perhaps the larger claims bear some closer examination.
- Roberto Bonini
Such as...even if you accept a supernatural origin of a text, and supernatural events recorded in it, all it gives you is magic and spirits...not a deity. Deity is a metaphysically different notion from "spooky and powerful". Even if I grant all the supernatural stuff they want, all we can get to is a spirit that said it created everything, seemed to represent its power and character as...
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- Neal Jansons
Best to just leave it alone, Roberto.
- Steven Perez
Someone should start a party up in here... ya'll need a drink... or something :-)
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
And besides, there's really only one way to ensure that JWs never darken your doorstep again. Or at least, not as often.
- Steven Perez
@Roberto Too many small claims that are necessary to some of the larger claims are inaccurate, however. There was never the census and slaughter in Rome recorded at the beginning of the NT, for example.
- Neal Jansons
Steven - well don't keep us waiting.. spill the beans! :-)
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
And I'm gonna let you in on it: look them right in the eye and tell them, politely but firmly, that you do not wish to receive any more visits from Jehovah's Witnesses ever again. Believe me, we usually know when we're not wanted. And since we have a Biblical mandate to preach to the entire earth (MT 24:14), do you really think that we're gonna spend a lot of time talking to people who...
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- Steven Perez
Rich: no, that's a good way to keep a Witness at your door until they get hungry. Besides, we never travel alone. :D
- Steven Perez
You are right Neal, Two immediate examples that come to mind are that Moses instructed his tribe to treat the meat with liniments as part of a covenant ritual known today as Mosiac law given to him while visiting a deity. Ritual which killed bacteria thousands of years before contemporary doctors discovered germs and created antiseptics. Water is weakly di-magnetic and can now be...
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- Eric Logan
Sorry, I had to stop at 666 characters. ;)
- Eric Logan
LOL! Eric.. Really?
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Random thought - the "add a comment" feature may be broken due to the length of this discussion... :-)
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
@Eric That's right. That's like the ready-made cosmology every culture seemed to inherit before they wrote anything down...suggestive that something is weird. The problem is the leap from that to religion..."look! isn't that spooky? Therefore...there is a god" is a poor argument.
- Neal Jansons
I hit that, too, Jannifer. For a moment, I thought James was tired of hosting a Scoble-length thread. :D
- Steven Perez
Poor James... here he thought he would simply answer Twitter's question - "What are you doing" and then this happens... :-)
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
HA! Some of the best conversation I've ever had here started with something inane. :D
- Steven Perez
from IM
@Eric I think the most likely explanation for a lot of this is another human civilization that came before. I mean, humans have been physiologically "modern" for about 100k years, yet we only have about 10k years of history, but at the beginning of that time we see a whole bunch of what appears to be advanced scientific knowledge being inherited as rules-of-thumb and religious...
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- Neal Jansons
Trial, error, and thousands of years of spoken word and dead relatives seem a much more likely explanation for mankind's early knowledge than "God told us". [edit] you don't have to know how something works to discover it accidentally
- Slappy Line
Somehow my thread-killing abilities are waning. I'll just take my party elsewhere - ya'll are no fun! ;-)
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I keep trying to leave but it's just so compelling. An argument that has lasted this long without generating into flamewar is worth hanging on to for a little bit longer.
- Slappy Line
@Slippy Yeah, that might work for the medical stuff (some of it), but EVERY early civilization sprouts with a fully functional astronomy/astrology, with all the math and time that implies.
- Neal Jansons
Yes, Jannifer there really are 666 characters in that entry. Neal, I tend to think this may just be one big laboratory. Quantum discoveries and the whole time consciousness conundrum and observer thing. As we progress I am sure we will discover many more gems that where actually ancient knowledge how the ancients came by that knowledge is open and I am sure will continue to be debated.
- Eric Logan
SPLITTER!!!! (sorry, life of brian reference)
- Slappy Line
And might I say early civilisations APPEAR to sprout with a fully functional astronomy/astrology. Just as, at first glance, it appears that the egyptians received the knowledge of how to build pyramids, whereas investigation has proven that it took hundreds, if not thousands of years before the skill was learned. We have been constructed the same way for many, many thousands of years,...
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- Slappy Line
@Eric Interesting. For awhile I was going with a similar theory, but without the narcissism. Current neurological research shows that what we consider our thoughts and decisions are pretty much epiphenomenal, and we already made our choices in our non-conscious processing long before we know it or "do" it. I think there is chance that we are just processes, just data being sorted or...
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- Neal Jansons
@Slippy But the issue is that we have documents, tablets, steles, and so on, which date from the earliest portions of recorded history, and they already treat that knowledge as common. Seriously, look into it...every early civilization, when they start building and writing, already have a fully functional cosmology, know the times of orbits, predict comets and eclipses, etc. Ancient...
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- Neal Jansons
I have read some similar research as it applies to observable data in small units of time that we see for example when catching a baseball has actually already occurred and that if we lacked the ability to compensate for this neurologically unaware the ball would surely hit us in the face more often then we caught it. Not sure how that correlates it is interesting however. I still...
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- Eric Logan
Now those Apple fanboys, those are some weird cultists ... :D
- Steven Perez
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Just because it wasn't recorded before doesn't mean it wasn't known. There are many ways of maintaining and transferring knowledge. Maybe mathematical systems we have no knowledge of were encoded on knotted string, or arranged in stones on flat ground. You can't say it can't be true any more than you can say it was definitely received knowledge. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm inclined to...
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- Slappy Line
@Slippy That's possible, of course. Also, I am not claiming that anything supernatural (what does that even mean? if it exists, it's in nature) gave us this knowledge. What I think is that humans most likely had a couple rise and falls before ours to fill up that 100k years. I mean, Western Civilization had a smaller one with the Dark Ages...we went from the heights of intellectual and...
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- Neal Jansons
Also, when we include Far Eastern history it gets weirder...they find machines sometimes. They have found a few in the Middle East and Greece, too, but more in the Far East.
- Neal Jansons
Ah, sorry, I had you wrong I think I misread one of your earlier comments - Are you just proposing that the essential strangeness of the advances of historic and pre-historic cultures, whilst it neither proves nor disproves any particular religious argument, is still a likely factor in the creation of the stories being argued? If so, then I did have you wrong, and actually I completely...
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- Slappy Line
@Slippy Well, I don't automatically dismiss religious/magickal/spiritual/supernatural claims, I just subject them to the same kind of scrutiny I do any other kind of claim. I am open to the notion that there may, for example, be some other sort of intelligences running around that would loosely fit the common definitions of "spirits" or some such, and that they might do things, have...
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- Neal Jansons
Whoops, should have been "we have no evidence of any gods, angels, aliens, etc"
- Neal Jansons
Also, almost all early cultures have a myth that includes someone else before humans. Even the Bible has the Dukes and Kings of Edom, giants, etc. With the Celts and Picts you have Fomori, Tuatha De Danaan, etc, with the Nords you have giants and elves, Greeks have the Titans, etc. This is without even getting into traditional stories of Atlantis, Mu, etc. and lost civilizations stories in the west. They are all over once you start looking.
- Neal Jansons
Well, I have personally experienced an alien abduction and a haunting - both of which were manifestations of a combination of sleep disorders - and they were something akin to an epiphany in that, for me, they were the final nails in the coffin of the supernatural (pun intended, lol). I believe we know enough about the four-dimensional macroscopic world now to explain all of the small-scale phenomena experienced and witnessed in our histories
- Slappy Line
Clarification : by "experienced" I mean it totally felt like those things were really happening, so much fit the classical descriptions, even down to the missing time, but they weren't actually real
- Slappy Line
And that is where we must disagree. Science and materialism have just as many epistemological problems as any other mandate epistemology. There is a serious problem in philosophy of science which may be illuminating http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.... There are other serious problems as well (see Kuhn, Quine, et al for details concerning epistemological difficulties in...
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- Neal Jansons
@Slippy And I have PTSD and Night Terrors, too...I commiserate. :(
- Neal Jansons
Ah, I don't have them any more - nor the sleep paralysis. Sweet freedom :) My faith in logic was great comfort, lol
- Slappy Line
I try to get rid of Jehovah's Witnesses and those fresh-faced young Mormon missionaries as nicely as possible. Works, but it takes time.
- Dennis Jernberg
RT @JasonCalacanis Steve Gillmor just told me a secret. Scoble has the cooties. Neener neener!
Ankush Narula, Karoli, Susan Beebe and 4 other people liked this
shit. how did Dave find out.
- Steve Gillmor
So who did he kiss?
- Yuvi
LOL
- Nicholas James
Haha!! :D
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Wow but #FriendFeed is blowing up these days, eh? I haven't seen this much activity in months!
sofarsoShawn, FFing Enigma (aka Tina), Devon Govett and 6 other people liked this
I wonder if something happened recently to put it in the news!
- Louis Gray
Good point Louis. I wonder what.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Did Google buy it or something? Oh Boy THAT would be news!
- Yuvi
LOL - thanks, smartasses! Hey - maybe they just FAKED being bought to juice up the traffic! Then everything would be okay!
- Ciaoenrico
Well Facebook bought it.
- Devon Govett
I know. I was being ironical.
- Ciaoenrico
You just gotta tinker with your lists.
- sofarsoShawn
best feature of open source? Being able to tell people that if they don't like it, hey, they can fix it themselves. Nicest f**k you ever.
Bill Foecke, Yuvi, Ben Hanten and 7 other people liked this
The polite way to say "screw you" is "Patches welcome."
- Scott Lovenberg
werd!
- imabonehead
Is there a WordPress plug-in to automatically push new posts to FriendFeed via the API?
Nicola Greco, Robert Higgins, (jeff)isageek and 99 other people liked this
Instead of just having a new post show up as a title and a link when the system gets around to checking your feed, you could push an excerpt and an image to FriendFeed the instant the post goes up.
- Ken Sheppardson
There is a WordPress plugin to support SUP, which would accomplish the "instant" part of your goal: http://wordpress.org/extend.... To get images you just need to support MediaRSS (I believe there is also a WordPress plugin for that).
- Benjamin Golub
Cool, where do I sign...........?
- Kevin J Hatton
Nice idea!
- Don Bonaddio
Nice. I will use this... Thank ;)
- Semih Masat ™
Benjamin: I knew somebody'd mention SUP :-) I'd rather not add some intermediate service/protocol, I just want the ability push directly via a single plug-in, preferably with a UI component that gives you control over what image or images are added, select the excerpt, select what groups the post goes to, etc.
- Ken Sheppardson
What I want is probably similar to what Ken you want - something to push the title & link& image as a post, and an excerpt as a comment to FriendFeed, which would then go to Twitter. The group selecter would be ultra cool on top of that
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Yeah, I'm using PUB-Sup, but what would be even more interesting is something that pushes, and tracks comments of the pushed post at the same time. I'd like to have real-time comments on each blog post.
- Jesse Stay
You're too cool to just grab your own RSS feed?
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: Yes.
- Ken Sheppardson
;) gotcha
- Matthew DeVries
Ken: Have you seen this one: http://sudarmuthu.com/wordpre...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Just found it, looking into it now
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
WP-Sup (http://neothoughts.com/wp-sup/) + MediaRSS (http://wordpress.org/extend...) plugins will do the job
- Bwana ☠
Rob: Cool. Looks like Sudar's around http://friendfeed.com/sudar Maybe he'll drop by...
- Ken Sheppardson
Just sent him a tweet. Hopefully he'l join us :) Looks to be in india
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The SUP plugin doesn't add an intermediate protocol. It does exactly what FriendFeed wants from your site. It adds a line of code to your header and pings their API everytime you publish. Works perfectly to publish posts realtime to FriendFeed (and then on to Twitter, etc.) In fact, I've still not got used to publishing a post and seeing a notification on my desktop from FriendFeed from my post a half second later.
- Joss Winn
OK, I get it, guys. I know how SUP works and I know you can use SUP and MediaRSS to accomplish what I want. But I don't want to ping some API to tell it to go pull something from a feed... I want to make a single call to the FriendFeed API designed for creating entries http://code.google.com/p...
- Ken Sheppardson
Shouldn't be that hard to build. You can do it Ken :)
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: I think Sudar has already. :-) I'm going to put his implementation through its paces over the weekend.
- Ken Sheppardson
Oh ok cool... Hmmm.. I'd try it, but I'm not sure how it'll affect Backtype Connect on my blog. I want to be sure the FF comments get pulled in correctly.
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: not sure exactly what you want to try - but in general any entry that links to your posts will be connected by BT Connect -- we do of course try our best to cut out things like auto snippets of text that appear as comments when using the FF bookmarklet.
- Mike Montano
Mike - I just wanted to be sure if I remove my RSS feed from FriendFeed and use this solution, will my comments get pulled back into my blog. I gather the plugin would have to only link to my blog from FriendFeed, and Backtype does the rest
- Bwana ☠
Yeah, it seems like once the plugin creates the entry on FriendFeed with a link to your blog post, you're home free, no matter how that entry is created.
- Ken Sheppardson
I like I like
- Michael Ehline
Hi Guys, nice to know that the Plugin (Post2FF) which I created around 9 months back is of use to someone :) I am take the code dust it off and will add the new features that you requested. Stay tuned :)
- Sudar
Awesome! Thank you very much Sudar!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Of note, Sudar: it would be most handy if we could select the link that is published on the entry - either the linkt ot the blog entry or the ff.im link. (wasn't clear to me if the API actually supports this?) On most of my blog posts, I'd like to direct people straight to the post, but someone or some entries might prefer linking to the FriendFeed post/discussion
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I am done with the modifications to my Plugin to add new features like choosing the room to which the link to be posted, selecting images etc. Will release it after completing the testing. If anyone is willing to do beta testing, just ping me.
- Sudar
I'd love to give it a try :-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Yay Sudar with his remedy to dust off (Post2FF)
- Janaree Nore
Sudar: Ping. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
@Ken, Please DM your email address and I will send the Plugin for beta testing. If everything goes well, I will be able to release the Plugin tomorrow by this time.
- Sudar
Sudar, sounds interesting. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
So guys, finally I have updated my Post to FriendFeed Plugin with support for rooms. You can get the new version at http://sudarmuthu.com/blog...
- Sudar
Also let me know if you face any issues.
- Sudar
I want it thanks Sudar!
- Robert Freeze
Are we able to do the revere post from FF -> Wordpress, not as a rss thing but as a post?
- Chirag Chamoli
@Chirag, I am not sure if I understood your question. Can you explain it a bit?
- Sudar
nice! like the idea Ken.
- .LAG liked that
I wanted to understand If I can autopost from friendfeed to Wordpress. I am using the rss feed in the sidebar, instead I want the stuff to be added to wordpress as a post.
- Chirag Chamoli
from email
@Chirag, You can install WP-O-Mattic WordPress Plugin (http://devthought.com/project...) and use the FF rss as input to publish from FF -> WordPress. (I haven't tried it, so not sure if it will work 100%)
- Sudar
@Sundar: Thanks I will start working on that.
- Chirag Chamoli
As I understand it SUP won't work for Feedburner feeds.
- Rutger Blom
I am interested in using Sundar's plugin. Is it compatible with WordPress 2.8.3?
- Skyler Call
@Skyler Call, It should be compatible, since it doesn't use any functions which were changed in 2.8+ Anyways I will check it and will bump up the supported version in readme file.
- Sudar
@igorthetroll I blocked you over on FriendFeed. I don't like talking with someone who is a troll. See ya.
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What's in a name? I don't think Igor is a real Troll ;)
- Pierre-Philippe Martin
from twhirl
A lot is in a name. I want to only see people who use their real names so I know where they are coming from.
- Robert Scoble
wait, you don't know Igor Thetro II... son of *the* Igor Thetro ??
- Alan Cheslow
oh, come one Scoble, my name is Marcus Debonaventure -- what's in a name ?
- General Kafka
I have to agree with Kafka. Why is the name important? What he does and what he writes count more.
- Morton Fox
Morton: I don't like him and I don't like someone who calls himself a troll. Especially since I've found over and over again that the name fit. I want to subscribe and see smart people. Not anonymous jerks. If you go jerky on me I WILL block you.
- Robert Scoble
The fact is, this is Robert's Twitter and FF and he can ban people if they look at him cross-eyed if it bugs him. He doesn't really have to justify that.
- Dana Franks
from twhirl
Think it's more that he looks like a troll....
- Rich
If someone harasses me or makes nasty comments, etc. I *might* block them but I would only resort to this if that person went out of their way to be a royal jerk and purposefully make my life miserable, oppress me, slander my name, say terrible things about me, my friends, etc, etc. In that rare case, I would see that they were stalking me and trying to harm my online identity and experience = EPIC FAIL = BLOCK
- Susan Beebe
Susan: there are so many distribution channels for anonymous jerks that I don't feel that I need to put up with that here.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: So true! and I bet they exist in ALL channels available to them...nice. Being able to be selective via a BLOCK feature is therefore essential for folks who are in the limelight like you are!
- Susan Beebe
More important than a real name is consistent identity... if you're "beezlecruft" on every service and your blog, then you're a recognizable persona. This is a good thing. On the downside, you make people around you feel like an idiot by writing things like: "Here's the thing, beezlecruft..."
- Roger Benningfield
There's probably an interesting post in here somewhere on why it's necessary to announce who you're blocking. I do the same thing sometimes and always catch flack for it. Unfortunately, I've been up too many hours to properly defend myself intelligently as to why I do it, so we'll see if I'm interested in this topic tomorrow enough to post on it.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Roger: For years, I posted anonymously on the 'Net as simply "rizzn." Up until about 2 or 3 years ago, I was the only Rizzn in Google. When I wanted to go a bit more mainstream, I wound up merging the nick with my real name, partly so that there wasn't an identity split, partly for the SEO value, and partly so that folks wouldn't have to feel silly and call me Rizzn.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
one of the advantages of having the #24 most common male first name and the #16 most common last name. I can *roll with my real name...
- Jay Martin
"My name is Diego Montoya. You killed my father, not I must kill you." My favorite introduction. I like my name, Micah. Why not use it? Plus most people dont pronounce it right, so I know if you know me.
- Micah Baldwin
"My name is Inigo Montoya... you killed my father... prepare to die!"? Very good line :P
- Chinkerfly
from twhirl
isn't the issue one of transparency, if the handle says "troll" & their actions are trollish, they're a troll, block makes sense
- mike "glemak" dunn
er... isn't the whole point of all these SM tools the ability to create your own conversation and experience? To be honest, I blocked "the troll" a few days ago. His comments to me and others were making me uncomfortable. Done, and done. It's not personal, it;'s just the way I choose to shape my social media experience.
- Sue Murphy
I'm with Robert on this one. That guy was the reason why I was looking for a way to block someone's comments from my feed.
- Dewald Pretorius
oops, sorry, I have been using my handle for like ever. Anyways, I'm the ONLY person on the web who uses puckman as a handle ;)
- Gerard van Schip
as I've used my handle for years, I've kept at it; and as I may post things which might be negative about my current employer, I want to make it harder for the HR(non tech savvy) types to find it......add-on to that, my names are not common, google and find me alone + a bunch of dead people with my names
- clarke thomas
I only use a handle because I have quite a common name. I'm not tryin' to hide behind anything!
- Sue Murphy
@scottbourne, I agree - people need to use their real identity online, otherwise what's the point?
- Rich
I had to block igorthetroll too! He was calling me bad names and commenting on everything I said with weird, nasty comments. What a boring life to be "that guy."
- Alana Taylor
A good handle when backed by a real person with a consistent personality should be nothing to be ashamed of. Handles are easier to remember. It's part of the personal brand.
- Chinkerfly
from twhirl
Chinkerfly, it's not about being easier or just as good. It's a principled matter. If you don't want to back what you say and what you do with your identity, you aren't playing the same game as a lot of us are. Speaking for myself and others like me, we're interested in using social media as a supplement to our real-world business, personal, and social relationships, not as a replacement or an alternative.
- Mark Trapp
for the sake of scoble, i've changed my comment name to the name I go by.
- clarke thomas
Just want to point to the fact that nicknames are soooo web 1.0... :-)
- Orli Yakuel
@Orli Yakuel This is oh so true! ^^
- Dan H. Racek
Igor the Troll is just annoying. I'm sure he has good intentions and all, but I can only take so much.
- Ben Parr
I don't see the value behind the whole "real name" push - this happens to be my real name, but how do you know that? What's the real difference between a handle and a real-seeming name that might not be real?
- David Worrell
You're straw-manning the issue, David. It's not just about the name: it's about a verifiable identity. If you can't be tied to an identity offline, you might as well use a nickname as it has the same effect on how people perceive you.
- Mark Trapp
This is so unfair, it's like blocking Loic Le Meur for being too much of a meur.
- Andy Roberts
Take a look (some quick and dirty content analysis): Igor the Troll, Noah David Simon, Israel, Mossad: http://snipurl.com/2iquj | http://snipurl.com/2iqv5 | http://snipurl.com/2iqve
- Sean McBride
So what are you trying to say, Sean?
- George Hall (Australia)
Not sure I like your inference, Sean.
- George Hall (Australia)
I am who I say I am. I'm not hard to find. I say what I mean. I don't need to hide. If some of the sites I use would allow me to change my original name (gmail/google, flickr among others) to my real name, I would. Be yourself, life's better that way.
- Robert Kenney
OK - I am trying Friendfeed again @scobleizer won't let me not!
Tom Milsom, Svartling, Mark Essel and 7 other people liked this
add your twitter feed pls
- Steve Gillmor
Welcome! :) Come join the FF Beginners Group: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Rochelle
Hi
- Andru Edwards
Hello
- Matt G
I'm still subscribing to the beginners group!
- Leo Laporte
I was waiting for Winer to tell me to use FF :-)
Ruchira S. Datta, jcunwired, April Russo (app103) and 23 other people liked this
Scoble, your dropping the ball. ;)_
- sean andersen
I can lead Guy to water...
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Hey Robert, now that Guy's here, you want to see the new network I found that's way better? (wink)
- Louis Gray
Oooh! Them's fightin' words, Louis!
- WorldofHiglet
I feel like I'm watching Clash of the Titans.
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Winer definitely does not know how to use friendfeed
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Louis: you have to use it for four months to shake the bugs out. Then I will be over. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
(makes popcorn)
- chaz2b
I thought Winer had given up on FriendFeed
- Jesse Stay
Unless I convinced him to start using it again last night ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Oh wait, that sounded bad...
- Jesse Stay
No He uses FF.
- BairdWilliamson
Baird, I don't think he's a huge proponent of FF though. I'll let him speak for himself if he reads this however. I got that feeling when talking with him yesterday.
- Jesse Stay
Jessie - Well Please let him know that I (and I'm sure others) can find easily and get WAY more out of his conversations in FF.vs "finding the whisper in the hurricane" that Twitter can potentially be. And could you also ask him where he posted the Twitter OPML exporter app he mentioned he was going to write too? ;)
- BairdWilliamson
Who's this Jessie you speak of? ;-) I see no girls in this conversation (yet).
- Jesse Stay
DOH! Sorry!
- BairdWilliamson
That was a typo not a gender..erm..-ypo ;)
- BairdWilliamson
Friendfeed playing hard to get is why the action is tops here.
- Micah Wittman
no girls? look harder....:)
- WorldofHiglet
WorldofHiglet you need a more feminine username! :-)
- Jesse Stay
where would be the fun in that?!
- WorldofHiglet
I don't mind not knowing one's gender as conversations and new connections evolve. I mean sometimes I do, that's true too.
- Micah Wittman
Old habits die hard - all my usernames have been gender-neutral. You have more fun and less unwanted annoyance that way.
- WorldofHiglet
The "Higlet" part was a bit of hint for me but I admit I checked.
- BairdWilliamson
You'd be hard pushed to know. There are few pics of me around and it generally doesn't come up very often. But when it does it's usually amusing - to me, anyway :) DId you like my blog?
- WorldofHiglet
Which one?
- BairdWilliamson
Well the answer NOW is yes... in triplicate. And when do you manage to find the time to fit in...I dunno...lets say....sleeping? ;)
- BairdWilliamson
Yes, that's the tricky bit and the reason I can't update as much as would like (damn you feeble body requiring sleep!)
- WorldofHiglet
Happy Monday!
googirl, LB - all new for '10!, money and 129 other people liked this
Wahaaahahaha! EDIT: I LOVE HER SO MU-HA-HA-CH!
- Trish Haley
That's my Beebs!
- Akiva Moskovitz
Strawberry shortcake?
- Matthew DeVries
:)))
- Onur Gündüz
CUTE!!!
- Georgia Diehl
x_x
- Live4Emma (L4S)
awwww!!! Such a great pick-me-up!! :)
- JA Castillo
She is so adorable! But please work on the whole crying when I pick her up thing!
- Tommy
<3 x 1 razmajillion
- Yolanda
Tommy, you need to come over more so that she gets used to you. :)
- Rochelle
HAHAHA, cute!
- Trish R
*dead* HI AUDREY!!!
- Derrick
<3<3<3<3<3
- joey
Hahahahhaha!!
- Mona Nomura
Poor child will be ever so embarrassed in the future. :D
- CAJ, somewhere else
Curtis, that's the way it is supposed to be. That's the whole Parent gig.
- Yolanda
OMG cute. <3
- Jason, Incognito
this is exactly what i needed 3 hours ago. :( whatta cutie pie!
- Carlos Ayala
Well played. (Hands over keys to Babyfeed)
- Louis Gray
So cute!
- Ayşe E.
It's a Flower! Or at least that's what my parents said when we did that with our shirts.
- Maggie
DYAM! Baby-fever going into hyperdrive...
- Bren -- Making Contact
I've been sick for a few days, can I have one more Audrey picture please? I bet that would make me feel lots better. *bats my eyelashes*
- Yolanda
It's official - I LOVE THAT BABY!!!
- BEX
The cuteness... it warms the heart.
- Jason, Incognito
hi cutie:)
- Tamar Weinberg
LIIIIIIIKEEEEEEEEEE
- Fereshteh
Too cute!
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
LOLWUT?
- Gabe
Soooo Cute
- Charlie Anzman
好乖的宝贝哦
- 阿石
Like ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((:
- yasin ghasemi
suso, can you also type that in English? I can't read it.
- Rochelle
@Rochelle, suso said your baby is very cute and sweet. :)
- JohnDu™
So adorable! ; )
- Fossil Huntress
Thank you, John. :)
- Rochelle
lol !!!! wonder wat the little thing is thinking :P
- Gtp19
Trust me, she must be thinking: " I am on the FF. God! " ;-p
- JohnDu™
LOL such a funny cute pic
- Myrna
Fantastic. :)
- Joe
Awwwww... I can't like this AGAIN!
- Lindsay is in 20-ten
Bump for the cutyness. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
11 old-school Nintendo tricks you will never forget: http://om.ly/?CRbR AC
Trish Haley, Yuvi, Gary Gannon and Jeremy liked this
Scoble: you doing the Navy Seals thing?
Yuvi, BairdWilliamson, Jesse Stay and 3 other people liked this
Yeah, I have to answer Dennis.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Guy call me: +1-425-205-1921
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
that would be a no; he's doing the 300 work out..hawwwwwwwt!
- sofarsoShawn
ROFL!
- Alex Scoble
Finally broke 10K rep on StackOverflow http://stackoverflow.com/users... w00t!
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(Image) - http://mokargas.soup.io/post...
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Elepwnage!!!
- Carlton Hackett
Hi-Def animated GIF. With kick!
- Micah Wittman
++1 billion Carlton
- Josh Haley
OMG it's so beautiful.
- Jimminy Fuller
Ok, this one is cool. *hides the others*
- Derrick
How did you get the hi def?? It *is* beautiful
- Kamilah Gill
ow, that's gotta hurt his shin tho. mmph
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
LOL Thanks Josoh! lol
- Carlton Hackett
Is that Tony Ja?! Did this movie ever actually come out?! Where can I downloadz IT?!
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
lol
- ehsan
Firefox decided to show this to me frame by frame, in ultra-lame slowmo last time I saw this.
- Yuvi
这个动作好假.....lol
- K.D.
拿剑的人等了半天……才被踢到
- yagami
whoah! cool!
- .LAG liked that
that elephant is obviously F/X... OK, maybe the two guys too
- topo
I don't think this is F/X.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I sure hope the poor elephant wasn't F/X'ed. Bob Barker's campaign has gone. too. far. :D
- Micah Wittman
"Lead, follow, or get out of the way." -Thomas Paine
John Wang, Nia, jyamasaki and 6 other people liked this
Whoa. Did you come up with that yourself? {/IDIOCRACY]
- Steven Perez
Perez, common sense. HA.
- Mona Nomura
"So who really owns the rights to the guy throwing up his thumb in a urinal LOL." @automona
Amber, Random Time Lord, Yuvi, Akiva Moskovitz and TheHenry liked this
So some guy ate his thumb, then threw it up, in an urinal, and someone filmed it and is waggling over rights. AWESOME STORY!
- Yuvi
@yuvipanda you're giving me incentive to start blogging again. The @automona alter ego (?) is more entertaining than the REAL me!
- Mona Nomura
Until I read the automona part I totally thought there was a guy who threw up his thumb in a urinal.
- Jesse Stay
:D :D :D re: More Blogging is always a good thing :)
- Yuvi
I fucking love my sister, dude.
Steve C, ha3rvey (wants confit), CAJ, somewhere else and 4 other people liked this
I hope you don't love LOVE your sister, dude.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Ah... I just saw your earlier post about her. I think we all love her.
- ha3rvey (wants confit)
RT @AtheistHitSquad: Ummm.. BIRTH CONTROL IS SINFUL IN THE CHRISTIAN MARRIAGES and also ROBBING GOD OF PRIESTHOOD CHILDREN!! http://bit. ...
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I have a relative who fervently believes that abortion is the reason why Social Security is running out of money.
- Tad
Mona Quote Generator
| Fun | YuviSense - "I am drunk I have lived and visited countless cities across the US and Canada Has an iPhone – well you’re assed the EF off, when there’s a reallllly good motivating factor for me to the old one." - http://yuvisense.net/automon...
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LOL!
- Lindsay is in 20-ten
from Bookmarklet
awesome
- Yolanda
That does sound Drunk!
- Yuvi
Hah, is this using Markov chains to generate the text?
- Eric Florenzano
YEP :D
- Yuvi
fun with automona: http://yuvisense.net/automon... -- ;) Tina aka Stupid Blogger’s list read like a box of fruit roll ups blew up.
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@yuvipanda Yuvi, thank you so so so much for this - it's making me laugh SO hard. You seriously made my week...well, month. :)
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LOL, I'lll never be without my daily dose of Monaism now!!!
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