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RT @marducey: Rep Brady: "Just a parenthetical point. You don't really pay reporters worth a damn. I'm amazed." #journalism
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it really does surprise me how little traditional journalists get paid too.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
I couldn't agree more, Marshall :-)
- mathew ingram
from email
Video: Intel’s bullshit filter exposes disputed information on the Internet - http://digital.venturebeat.com/2009...
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Wildly interested in this, re: Quantum News.
- Ryan Sholin
New York Times: Bits Blog : The A.P.’s Real Enemies Are Its Customers - http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009...
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"[T]he real problem is that the A.P.’s view doesn’t take into account what those accused of being news pirates are stealing. They aren’t depriving record companies of $15 CD sales. At worst, they are depriving paying A.P. customers of the opportunity to show people the same articles free, earning rather meager ad revenue."
- martinstabe
35 Awesome User Interface Design Tutorials | Pro Blog Design - http://www.problogdesign.com/resourc...
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Below we have collected 35 of the best tutorials for all aspects of User Interface design, with a very wide variety of styles. Follow a tutorial from a style you’ve never tried before and you’ll have taken your first step towards it.
- Mindy McAdams
Google's Love For Newspapers & How Little They Appreciate It - http://daggle.com/090406-...
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"Robert, I've been creating original content on the internet for about 12 years longer than you've been editor of the WSJ. Shut up. Seriously, shut up. To say something like that simply indicates you really do not understand that all blogs are not echo chambers. "I mean echo chamber? Sorry, that's the mainstream media, too. I cannot tell you how many times I've seen stories emerge on the internet only to later appear in a mainstream publication. The mainstream papers read what the web publishes, then write their own stories, then all the mainstream pubs do their own versions of echoing each other."
- Amy Gahran
Twitter’s OAuth Support Now In Public Beta - TechCrunch - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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Important stuff for anyone building apps that tie into the Twitter stream.
- Ryan Sholin
from Bookmarklet
Re: Death of Journalism, part 3 (Scripting News) - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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"This conversation has focused on the news organizations too long. Not here too, okay -- here we talk about the whole picture and that includes the people who are part of the news equation that the news industry always leaves out. You can have that discussion elsewhere with someone else, I'm not interested -- it's about 10 years too late to be asking that question."
- Dave Winer
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The Replacements are those who mistakenly believe that crowing for the 1,000 time that bloggers cannot replace journalists is an important and insightful act. Identifying feature: they make a show of disagreeing with the hordes of writers who think bloggers CAN replace (newspaper) journalists but fail to quote or link to any. Recent case: http://is.gd/llQa
- Jay Rosen
Another example: http://is.gd/ls5v
- Jay Rosen
An important part of their argument, which usually comes out clearly if they engage in the discussion with the commenters, is the sudden switch in the meaning of the word "blog". As we know, blog is software. What one uses it for is a different story. But....
- Bora Zivkovic
...invariably some commenter mentions HuffPo, TPM, Firedoglake or a good local blog that does investigative reporting. Those sites originated as blogs, and have a bloggy look and feel (and use blogging software), but they have grown into New Media organizations, with paid reporters and interns and editors, etc.
- Bora Zivkovic
As soon as that happens, they jump on it and switch to their preferred meaning of 'blog' - the small individual site full of LOLCats and adolescent angst. No, nobody suggested those kids will do investigative journalism, so this is a hijack of the meaning. Josh Marshal does not have adolescent angst, as far as I can tell.
- Bora Zivkovic
What most bloggers say in these discussions is that they don't want to become journalists, that a small number of really good bloggers may want to become professional journalists, and that many laid-off journalists will become bloggers but only in the sense of "doing their stuff online instead of in print".
- Bora Zivkovic
There is also the sense that a lot of journalism is (usually botched) transcription of what the sources or experts say, while today sources and experts can talk directly to the public. Finally, there are accidental journalists - people who happen to be at the right place at the right time and report the news (e.g., the guy who lives next to the Minnesota bridge that fell) for a few days, then go back to their normal lives.
- Bora Zivkovic
Nobody ever said that little bloggers with LOLcats and adolescent angst are going to replace journalists. But the method and style of journalism, as it abandons the expensive paper and moves to the Web, will have to change. Also, both the hyperlocal and the huge global papers will survive with some good paper/Web combo. The medium-sized city/state papers owned by chains are those that will die.
- Bora Zivkovic
And many bloggers are worried that there will be a period of vaccuum after the papers die and before New Media manages to take over with a new model and be able to cover everything the papers covered till now.
- Bora Zivkovic
Surely they'd only be a new species if they couldn't interbreed? Let me just add that should be someone else's research topic.
- Alun Salt
How investigative research happens in the blogosphere - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
Bill Romanos, Zac Echola, Mitchell Tsai and 15 other people liked this
Point well made: Free Speech and citizen journalism....
- bcultral
I never liked the term "citizen journalism" -- it only views it from one dimension, and makes it sound (to me at least) US-centric. The reporting job I describe here was very much an international effort, if it was done by citizens -- they were citizens of the world. How is that different from the reporting done by professionals, who are also citizens?
- Dave Winer
Wait, what do microformats for HTML thumbnailing have to do with Watergate-style investigative reporting? The point about reporting seems reasonable, but this seems like a stupendously bad example, because everyone knows bloggers are all about jumping all over some technical arcana and getting all hepped up about whether you can or can not add attributes to a link tag in whatever. An infinitely better example would be Groklaw, or maybe source reporting of the Oakland riots or the plane crash in Denver.
- ⓞnor
That's just plain silly. What difference does it make if the subject matter is thumbnails or break-ins. And everyone loves to cite Watergate, as if that happens every day in print journalism. More often, much more often, they kill stories because it would offend the publisher or a friend of the publisher. The real star of the movie was Ben Bradlee who let the reporters go wild. These days even the reporter, Woodward, is in bed with his subjects. You can't trust the journos to bite the hand that feeds them.
- Dave Winer
Thumbnail formats are something you can investigate with your keyboard and web browser, and also don't really matter much. Political break-ins require you to go out there, pound a lot of pavement, talk to a lot of reluctant people, and take real personal risks to understand something that's way outside your own daily life, and they can be vital to uncover. I think there's a huge difference. Please note that I'm not actually disagreeing with you, I just think your example is really not very motivating.
- ⓞnor
Come over to the discussion on the blog post. I just responded to this and someone else who said largely the same thing. Fact is we've tried doing the deep background digging, and even had sources (me!) and guess what happens -- no one stands. The problem is there isn't any courage *anywhere* -- we all just sit by and let the big companies push us around and don't do anything. When you try, you're out there on your own. Eventually you give up -- that's basically what I've done.
- Dave Winer
Dave's outlined the process, now it seems everyone is just arguing about the subject matter of the investigation and it's relative importance. Probably not going to change peoples minds/positions until the subject matter is more mainstream. Groklaw was a good example though it's still obscure to most.
- PXLated
Want to be inspired about the future of journalism. Check out: http://www.publish2.com/contest... Then do something constructive and help rate!
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Andrew Keen: Why give unwired people broadband access "when millions of them will be unemployed, disorientated and angry?" http://www.guardian.co.uk/technol...
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If we attend to basic human needs first, then we won't have to worry about the empowerment of unemployed millions and their susceptibility to the persuasive powers of would-be demagogues, or the organizing potential of the internet. http://www.politicalbase.com/profile...
- Vince Williams
from twhirl
There are two phases of this. First they get online and find conformation of the idiotic or crackpot theories they already believe, but then slowly they get exposed to the larger community, and reality slowly seeps in. Things get worse before they get better, but they do get better. I hope.
- Mr. Gunn
The problem is that it's too difficult to take Keen seriously. I have to get past that part
- Deepak Singh
No, it's that we have to take The Guardian seriously, and they are the ones who quoted Keen to meet their "gotta have a skeptic" needs. So what they are really doing is putting their needs for the appearance of innocence ahead of the readers' need not listen to trolls, opportunists, charlatans and the like.
- Jay Rosen
Andrew "Cult of the Amateur" Keen really is the poster child of the charlatan group he supposedly rallies against and the fact that the Guardian would cite him is proof that the 'professional' media is increasingly off track.
- David HC Soul
Jay, thankfully they chose Keen. Most people familiar with him--or familiar enough to find his bio on Wikipedia--know he's a crackpot. If this is all the criticism Guardian could scare up, I think it's a sound proposal. Or, Guardian is just showing us how lazily they report.
- Zac Echola
The Guardian's Bobbie Johnson on Twitter: "Watching people pick apart Andrew Keen after I republished the basics of his latest odd polemic in my Obama CTO article." http://is.gd/evDz
- Jay Rosen
Well Bobbie, perhaps you're having trouble getting the message: almost everyone is roasting you at the same time; some implied others direct, but roasting you.
- David HC Soul
Bobbie Johnson replied on Twitter as follows: "I've no need to show scepticism, but bad arguments deserve context just as much as good ideas do (perhaps even more so)." and "Keen still gets read, even if not by us. There's a fine line between disengaging and letting wrongness propagate." http://is.gd/ezcI and http://is.gd/ezcG
- Jay Rosen
Link in Guardian article related to quote: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
I don't care about AK and I am quite aware of troll logic. I do care about what The Guardian thinks its doing by quoting an anti-democratic voice in an article about extending the benefits of the Internet to poor people, uneducated people, rural people. If you think an anti-democratic voice has to be part of the discussion, at least make an argument for it. "I found a skeptic! I found a skeptic!" is not an argument. Neither is: "some people read him and agree with him."
- Jay Rosen
I really don't know any more about Bobbie Johnson than this one article and his weak as gnat's piss justification for running it with the Keen quote - but from having read Keen's book and many of his blog postings it is evident that Johnson's rationale is exactly the stuff Keen accuses ALL "non professional" internet users of doing. So now Johnson, and thus the Guardian, have become part of the problem - all by playing to Keen's rules of engagement.
- David HC Soul
More from Bobbie Johnson via Twitter: " *sigh* no agenda, not from the school of objectivity. Seriously think I'd pose Keen as a viable counterpoint to Cerf + Evslin?" http://is.gd/eBjG My reply: "Agenda? Who said you had an agenda? I said you were showing off how agendaless you can be. Answer to your second Q: yes, I do." To which Bobbie Johnson said, "Pretending not to have an agenda *is* an agenda in itself. And point 2, you're way off base... my intention was the inverse."
- Jay Rosen
Hyperlocal Websites will Boom in 2009 as Community Newspapers Fold - http://www.inquisitr.com/14219...
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some models for how it might work when community newspapers also die
- MaryAnn Chick Whiteside
Who isn't a social media strategist? - http://www.socialmedia.biz/2009...
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I HATE that everyone on the internet is a social media strategist.
- David Cohn
It doesn't even mean anything. Sign up for twitter! Sign up for Facebook! Start a blog! Post to everything!
- Zac Echola
There's a good comment on this post, too: "If you’re going to call yourself a SOCIAL media marketing expert, you’d better have a pretty good handle on understanding how people BEHAVE in social environments. Indeed, you should be able to PREDICT with some accuracy how they’ll behave in response to a campaign, Web property, interactive tool, etc. on the social Web."
- Zac Echola
Found it: the 100% generic "you'll miss us when we're gone" newspaper column. No distinguishing features whatsoever! http://www.nwfdailynews.com/news...
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Twitter will never come close to being a viable IM-style platform as long as they throttle the API. TweetDeck defaults to 12 minutes and six minutes for @replies and DMs respectively. I dunno about you but I don't want to wait six minutes to see if someone I'm talking to has replied.
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I have a question about this -- first -- the obvious one -- do we need a "viable IM-style platform" when we already have many? But that's just the obvious one. Here's what's been puzzling me. Since FF has a realtime bridge to Twitter, and FF has a realtime API, doesn't that give you a realtime API for Twitter? I have an app here that gives me realtime updates for selected people I follow. It's really coooool. Couldn't do it without the realtime API in FF.
- Dave Winer
I can't seem to get all my twitter updates to show up on Friend feed. Probably a mistake on my part, but I still need a separate tool for real time Twitter.
- MarkCarras
Dave: Thumbs up on two outstanding points. :-)
- Michael Krigsman
I can tell already I am going to have to unblock Dave Winer because I can see his artifacts.
- Robert Scoble
Dave, we don't need another one; I was just exploring an idea that came up in a discussion over DestroyTwitter this morning. The only problem with FriendFeed's realtime API, besides what Mark brings up, is that, as far as I know, there's no way to receive alerts when someone messages you. Furthermore, it doesn't consume direct messages so if you wanted to have a private conversation, the FriendFeed API won't work.
- Akiva Moskovitz
It appears that FriendFeed is more like a chatroom than normal instant messaging.
- Zian Choy
Amen. Even with the slidebars on the timer, this capture affects API, no? Also, would love to see a link for a reply/dm thread.
- Jim Mitchem
Akiva -- those are all good points and right on. My little app only captures public messages from people I follow -- on FF -- who have their Twitter bridge enabled. Still a nice subset, but not what you're asking about.
- Dave Winer
I guess my interest here is that very few people I know use IM these days but they're all using Twitter. Twitter is just a few steps away from being a viable IM platform. I'd like to ditch my IM client which I use only to talk to maybe one or two people on but still be able to have conversations with them.
- Akiva Moskovitz
That's my problem with Twitter going real-time. Do they really want to become competitors with the likes of Microsoft and AOL and Google?
- Jesse Stay
boycott twitter. @Jack is censoring Jewish voices http://digg.com/world_n...
- Noah David Simon
you call igor outspoken? loud, maybe..
- Terry O'Fee
obviously you approve of censorship... glad I can out that Terry! twitter and youtube censor Jewish voices. Holocaust special at Kmart http://www.seesmic.com/video...
- Noah David Simon
twitter and these programs is a privilage, not a right. but regardless of whether igor deserves to be banned for mass spamming people his links daily, do you really believe what he is posting in his blog? for real?
- Terry O'Fee
Kid Rock 'Steal Everything' PSA - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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i hated kid rock up until this point. He has genuinely redeemed himself in my eyes. his music is still shitty tho.
- Anthony
That is funny and he actually manages to get an interesting point accross
- Andy Lewandowski
Anthony, you ever think downloading a song illegaly is like stealing a car (or anything else) or you totally missed his point. kid rock is a brick for stating this bullshit.
- Marcel Weiß
@Marcel, You really think this is complete bull? It seems there is some validity to his commentary. I don't completely agree with it but I think it has merit.
- Andy Lewandowski
What's the wealth limit for when it's OK to steal? $1,000,000? $10,000,000?
- Rich
@Richard Bill Gates has to ask at what point is it no longer worth it to bend over to pick up a dropped $100 bill when he could be making more money in those three seconds working on a more important problem. Like I'm doing here. Oh.
- Andrew Baron
There is absolutely NO validity to his point. No actual theft is involved when you copy a digital file of any sort that exists on the internet. It's only theft if some loss of property is involved. Meatspace items are finite resources - if you take one you create a loss. Digital items are infinite resources. You can't "steal" a number, which is what digital files are. This is a tired argument that obsolete industries continually trot out in an attempt to justify their lingering existence.
- Internet's Tad
Meatspace items can be secured from theft - locked, put up, garaged, etc. Some digital files, especially MP3s can NOT be secured. Attempts to protect digital "property" is fine with me, but the moment that a DRM scheme is rendered obsolete, the file it's protecting is no longer property. I "purchase" digital tracks because I can afford it. It's out of respect for the creator and to encourage continuing production.
- Internet's Tad
It's funny. I'm not sure it's meant to be much more than that.
- Iain Baker
Agreed with Tad - you can't steal something that has infinite resources, like a digital file. What makes 'things' valuable are their relative scarcity. I'm not advocating not paying for digital music, but this comparison is completely bogus. The bottom line is that digital music can't and shouldn't be directly monetized like records or CDs.
- Phil G
this is great but kids with a sense of entitlement need more than this. They need a spanking to within an inch or their life because in the real world it translate to
- Chris Conway
a winey brat who does not want to pay dues and the job market does not tolerate that sort of attitude
- Chris Conway
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