Z-lot

Uh, why? Because Shel's a man and Kathy's a woman? They're both victims! Shel's getting bullied, and somehow he's the one who is under attack for not having a sense of humor about it. Sorry, but I still smell waffles. - l0ckergn0me

shel doesn't do victim well enough, but you're right, if he was a woman, different story, and it's a double standard - Duncan Riley

Seems like some weird "mean kids" high school feud. Tiresome. Might be swingin' shel's way tho. - Jay Tannenbaum

Maybe. I think that Shel's target demo isn't the cool kids, anymore. Loren's better at playing politics, and he's backed by Mike. You don't get much more political juice than that. - removed

Nothing to see here, move along. - Z-lot

I don't want to be put into some kind of "pro Mike and Loren" camp, but to compare what Loren is doing to Shel with what happened to Kathy is stretching things all out of shape, I think. Loren is "taking the piss," as the Brits say, and that is directed at Shel and his professional skills, not him as a person. It's on the edge, as most satire is, and arguably is mean-spirited, but I still think it's qualitatively different. - mathew ingram via fftogo

very different situations, threats of sexual violence intended to silence outspoken women carry loads of personal and social historical weight. using a puppet to say a man on camera is silly is going to hurt feelings but it's different by so far that it's a different phenomenon. like pointing and laughing vs punching some one in the face. plus l.f. is such a dickface that few people want to challenge him. that's what i think. - Marshall Kirkpatrick via fftogo

come on Shel... I don't know you. but the puppet I know. think what Seinfeld did for the soup nazi! who is KAthy? and why doesn't she have a puppet? - ⓃⓄⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂⓄⓃ

I'm not a "pro" either side here, either - merely pointing out that (personally or professionally) Shel doesn't like it. Period. End of story. The last thing anybody should tell him to do is "lighten up" about it. - l0ckergn0me

I still smell waffles. The blogosphere is accepting these attacks, but not others?! It makes absolutely no sense to me, personally or professionally. Or, let me put it to you another way: how would it make YOU feel if YOU were on the receiving end of this?! - l0ckergn0me

what's the deal on the waffles? waffles are good. this situation is not. - Justin Whitaker

OK, I will take the obvious approach. Kathy was being attacked and threatened on her blog. Loren's videos are just an attempt at poking fun. Granted someone should come to Shel's defense a little, but the situation is much different. - Rob Diana

I can see how it could be funny until Loren made it personal.. Personal attacks from one person to another are not funny. - Ian D. Nock via twhirl

I heard that Shel was mean to Feldman first. That's what you get. - Michelle McCormack

I don't think Shel needs anyone to come to his rescue. But Loren has crossed from parody to meanness. I also disagree that it's just about Shel's professional skills. Seems rather personal. - Chris Baskind

Interestingly, I think this is probably the first time I've seen an attempt by Robert Scoble take a side in the issue. Not that this is a bad thing. In fact I'd probably act the same way - staying distant and siding with no one because everyone involved are friends (and in this case a co-worker). - trextor

It's all a bunch of idiotic crap. Someone trying to make a name for themselves by attacking someone else, instead of acting like an adult. Low rent. - Andru Edwards

It's not like he's Daumier or something. Let's take the videos out of it. How about twitter? Pretty personal stuff about destroying Shel. And calling Julia a whore. Let's get back to the double standard. Is chivalry completely dead? Creepy. - Jay Tannenbaum

Loren's behavior is wrong and it should stop - enough harassing of Shel already. Loren seriously needs to get a life already...gees - Susan Beebe

@Michelle McCormack Um, you heard? that's some solid ground to stand on. @l0ckergn0me i think the problem is that you used the Kathy Sierra incident as a comparison. It's not the same. However, Feldman's a bored bully who's getting lots of attention, so he'll keep doing it. It's the oldest story in the book. I don't know Shel, but I'm sure he doesn't deserve the personal attacks. I can understand his being upset. After all, this could start costing him work, and it does get really annoying after awhile. - Chris Cavs

I'll bet Loren can't go on this way for long and still do work for CNET. Then he'll lose work and we can all gossip about that. - Jay Tannenbaum

I saw one vid and thought it was funny - but i agree it shouldn't (and doesn't have to) be much more - weblivz

@Michelle McCormack started it! what a professional world we live in when the rules of the playground count for acceptable behaviour. We have to realise that we all have people we do not like, people we do not get along with, even people who hate us, but that is not for the public realm, we should maintain a professional stance in our dealings. The moment you direct your efforts to kicking people down rather than making yourself better, is the day when you kick yourself down and are poorer for it - Ian D. Nock

THE PROBLEM is not Shel Vs Loren, its us- the blogosphere, we love to stick our nose into it yell "blog fight" !! We are to blame for adding fuel to fire.. they are adults, let them sort it out , rave, rant and kill each other verbally. However Bloggers are like pit bulls .. bite onto the jugular vein at the smallest chance !! - Peter Dawson

Shel? Loren? Who are they and why should I care? Is this the geek version of the east/west coast rap "war" from back in the day? - Queco Jones

I couldn't force myself to watch that video all the way through. It was boring and moronic.Not sure why anyone finds it entertaining. If Feldman was trying to imply that this is how Israel's videos are, perhaps Feldman should be aware that I didn't find that to be much different from the incessantly pause-ridden vitriol I've seen on the three or four other videos I could bear to watch (before deciding to pretend he doesn't exist). The major difference was there was a much cuter critter doing the shouting. - MiɳiMagɘ (Sexy Scimitar)

It's pretty disgusting. High school on a grand scale. Why do people have to be hurt to create humor? - Francine Hardaway

That's the root of most comedy. and highschool drama is the root of most of the blogosphere's interaction. - removed

My motto has been "insults from idiots should be taken as compliments." At the end of the day, it just shouldn't matter what others think or say about you if you're doing the right things. It's not fun, but smile and say "I never did mind the little things." - AJ Kohn

Shel isn't taking near the beating that Feldman is giving poor Julia Allison. I don't take anyone's side in any of these debates and find the puppet amusing, but if there's any outrage/crossing the line I think it's Julia Allison and not Shel that would have the beef. - JonathanJoseph

I predict this behavior will be mitigated starting Friday. - Jay Tannenbaum

I think the two situations are enough different that it is hard to know if there is a gender treatment issue going on, a different attitude about what is "just deal with it" kinds of attacks (it is a year or two later - we may be less sensitive), or a matter of being able to relate/laugh at Lauren and being more shocked at the attack at Kathy. So could be waffles, could be just too different. - Goldie Katsu