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Yvonne Renee
I'm feeling completely zonked.
Me too. Sleep early tonight? - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Louis Gray
Congrats to Stephen Mack for blowing away the 200k on Fitbit barrier and beating my own all time one day stat! Congrats Burner!
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Thanks, Louis. Almost back from the playa now. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
What are you RUNNING back from the Playa? :-D - vicster: full-bodied
Stephen Mack
The second craziest thing I did at Burning Man: Ran a 5K In the desert.
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Were you wearing clothes? - Cristo
If not did it wobble too and fro did you tie it in a knot did you tie it in a bow? - Steve C Team Marina
It was a little crazy, but not nearly as crazy as the 50K (31 mile) event the same camp organized for the day before: http://www.burningman50k.com/ -- I'd love to work up to be able to run that one too. Someday. - Stephen Mack
Hey wait. What was the first craziest thing? - Cristo
Cristo & Steve: I did in fact wear my regular running attire. Of the 200 runners, I'd say about 4-5 ran it naked or topless. - Stephen Mack
(So not dissimilar to Bay To Breakers, really.) - Stephen Mack
Cristo: I'll post about the first craziest thing later. :) - Stephen Mack
Stephen Mack
Hi FF! I'm back. Had a great time. Missed you all. I don't have my pictures uploaded yet, so in the meantime here's one Paul Buchheit posted to his Facebook timeline, of the immense sculpture "Embrace" burning on Friday morning.
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Don't worry, I'll just pull them down from icloud. - Todd Hoff
Paul's caption (https://www.facebook.com/photo...): Camilla: "It looks like they have a really intense headache" - Stephen Mack
That was me this morning. - Cristo
Todd and Cristo: :) - Stephen Mack
Cristo
Giant US flag raised by crane over the 26-story LinkedIn building under construction on 2nd & Howard while I was walking to work.
Ugly? - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Meh. Just an office building. - Cristo
Hopefully there won't be recruiters standing outside their building asking me if I want an entry-level Android programming job. - Cristo
I usually see flags on those cranes. - Eric
I find the new LinkedIn building they're completing in Sunnyvale to be especially hideous and out of character for the location. - Stephen Mack
Cristo
Just tried to remove a broken bulb from the ceiling light over my desk. Nothing like getting electrocuted by 110v to wake you up!
It's a blast, ain't it? I love that 50Hz hum. - Slippy
Zowwwwwwwww - Stephen Mack
I do love the smell of burning hair in the morning - Steve C Team Marina
Cristo
New business idea: Ice Bucket Challenge kits. #icebucketchallenge
How about an ice-water-resistant rubber coat accessory? - Stephen Mack
Bucket, 2 bags of ice, towel, stickers, and a t-shirt. - Cristo
Johnny, that's just distasteful. Mine will actually contribute to the cause. :) - Cristo
Distasteful? Yes... For sure... It's also $60 for a shower curtain, bucket and an ice tray. They only put the "$10 from each sale goes to ALS" due to public pressure. - Johnny from iPhone
Brian Johns
This is my favorite mashup today: http://www.bootiemashup.com/top10...
Sparky, they had a daily Bootie DJ show at the burn (at various different camps, but in particular at one of our neighbors, Spanky's Wine Bar). I kept hearing the mash-ups and thinking of you. - Stephen Mack
Nice! (on both counts) - Brian Johns
Yvonne Renee
I need a Dr. Who chat room... Stat!
Here? - Stephen Mack from iPhone
For the new season! So many changes! - Yvonne Renee from FFHound!
Cristo
If Burning Man is rain delayed past the 5th inning, will it be called as a loss?
Yes unless the protest is upheld then it will be resumed on the next trip through town. - Steve C Team Marina
Maybe human sacrifices in effigy really does cause rain ? - Eric Logan
They did shut down the gate for many hours! We were trapped. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Stephen! Can't wait to hear your stories! - Yvonne Renee from FFHound!
Yvonne Renee
So.... I don't want to jinx it by posting on FB just yet, but.... Luke is potty trained!!!!! YAY!!!!
Yay!!! - Anne Bouey
For the last few months I could tell it was just laziness on his part, but since Portland he's been wearing training pants with cute puppies on them that he does NOT want to soil. That, plus being homebound for a week and me making him use the potty every hour, has sealed the deal!!! - Yvonne Renee
Woohoo!!!!! That's awesome! I planning on kicking it up a notch with Emily once warmer weather sets in. I'll be taking her shopping for undies ^_^ - Melly - #TeamMarina
Warmer weather DEFINITELY made a difference. He either walked around in just training pants or naked when we were hanging out at the hotel in Portland and he really didn't want to pee on the floor... (thank goodness for that!) - Yvonne Renee
Hooray! (Sorry to be late.) - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Welcome home Stephen! - Yvonne Renee from FFHound!
Stephen Mack
You know what triggers my latent OCD sometimes? The fact that September, October, November and December are not the 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th months.
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Image: Matinée de Septembre (or September Morn), a painting by the French artist Paul Émile Chabas (1869–1937). "Painted over three summers ending in 1912, it became famous when it provoked a scandal in the USA." Via http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Stephen Mack from iPhone
"Ultimately, the painting would be labelled as kitsch by critics who thought it lacking in interesting artistic features: contrast, coordinated lines, and a worthy subject." Ouch! - Brian Johns
Sparky: Yeah, critics are mean! - Stephen Mack
And I have always liked this painting, kitschy or not. - Stephen Mack
But! Back to month names. - Stephen Mack
How do we fix this? Well, the easiest fix would be to remove the two months added latest, January and February. And then stick them at the end of the year. So we'd essentially shift every month down two spots. - Stephen Mack
But I actually think "May" is a terrible name for a month. If you buy that "June" is named after the Latin word "iuniores" (young men; juniors) and that May is named after the Latin word "maiores" (grown men; majors) then we have two months dedicated to young and old men. (Via http://www.pantheon.org/miscell... .) No one needs that. So we should remove those two, shift the rest up two, and then come up with two new month names for the 11th and 12th months. - Stephen Mack
I am therefore hereby calling for submissions for new month names. - Stephen Mack
(Note that "June" is typically described as being named after the goddess Juno. e.g.http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki...) - Stephen Mack
"Stupid Smarch weather." - Victor Ganata
We could always just go back to the old Roman calendar of 10 months plus 60 days of Winter (at least in the Northern Hemisphere). :D #WinterIsComing #decimalization #metricization - Victor Ganata
Thinking about this more, I think it would probably just be easier to rename September, October, November, and December to things that aren't numerical. Problem solved! - Victor Ganata
If 9=Septem, 10=Octo, 11=Novem, 12=Decem bothers you, can you imagine how people must've been really irritated by the fact that New Year's Day was March 25th? - Victor Ganata
Can you imagine if we still had a month called Sextilis? #iam12 - Victor Ganata
^ I think we need that month again. - Stephen Mack
Sextilis, nine months later, Natalis ;) - Pete : Team Marina
Or remove the vanity months of July and August, whose names were changed after January & February were added. - Cristo
nowadays we no longer need the calendar to know when to sow, I wonder how it could be a 400-days-long year, with ten months, each with four ten-days weeks, with three day of festivity per week - mario leone
Mario, why a 400 day year? Don't we still need it to be 365.3? Or do you want the seasons to shift? - Stephen Mack
I think we don't, seasons may shift, they would shift without the leap years - mario leone
But we have leap years just so the seasons don't shift! I'm all for decimalization, but I think a basic requirement of an annual calendar is that it should actually align to the period of time it takes the Earth to revolve around the sun. - Stephen Mack
Proposal: 10 "months", each with 6 weeks of 6 days, (so "month" = 36 days), with 5.3 days of 'bonus' time between the 'end' of a year and the 'start' of the next. Days are still 24 hours of course. 'Bonus' time may or may not be used as in the 'Purge' movies. :) - Ken Gidley
Metric time: 1 year = 10 months, 1 month = 10 weeks, 1 week = 10 days, 1 day = 10 hours, 1 hour = 100 minutes, 1 minute = 100 seconds, with seconds redefined appropriately :D Screw solstices, the moon, and sunrises and sunsets! - Victor Ganata
So THAT'S how The Purge got started! - Stephen Mack from iPhone
And that's the news on Quintidi, Fructidor the 5th, 221. - David Lounsbury from iPhone
Somewhat similar to Victor's proposal, but slightly different. The fixed time units are days and years, which correspond to the rotation of the Earth and its orbit around the Sun. I'll explain more in another post: http://friendfeed.com/cristob... - Cristo
I swear that I heard this conversation just the other day in the office. - NOT THE CRICKET
Steve C Team Marina
Two ancient Mayan cities found in Mexican jungle - http://news.msn.com/world...
Two ancient Mayan cities found in Mexican jungle
"MEXICO CITY, Aug 22 (Reuters) - Archaeologists have found two ancient Mayan cities hidden in the jungle of southeastern Mexico, and the lead researcher says he believes there are "dozens" more to be found in the region. Ivan Sprajc, associate professor at the Research Center of the Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts, said his team found the ancient cities of Lagunita and Tamchen on the Yucatan peninsula in April by examining aerial photographs of the region. Sprajc said the two cities reached their heyday in the Late and Terminal Classic periods (600-1000 AD). At each site, researchers found palace-like buildings, pyramids and plazas. One of the pyramids is almost 20 meters (65 feet) high. They also found a facade featuring a monster-mouth doorway, which probably marked one of the main entrances to the center of the city. Photographs from the sites showed stone pyramids jutting out from beneath dense foliage." - Steve C Team Marina from Bookmarklet
I love that we can still discover ancient cities. - Stephen Mack
And lost tribes. - Todd Hoff
Very interesting, having recently visited Chichen Itza and Coba in the Yucatan. - Son of Groucho
t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
I just got laid off. Fuck.
Aw, shit. (((t-ra))) - Spidra Webster
(hugs) I'm sorry. - Steve C Team Marina
:( - Todd Hoff
:( - Amit Patel
(((t))) - Julian
Damn. Sorry to hear it. - Jim: with more caffeine!
I'm so sorry. - Jed rocks the party.
Oh, no. :( *huggle* - Alix May
Well hell. - Kirsten
:( - Amir
Oh, crap. I'm so sorry :((( - Jennifer Dittrich
:(((. so sorry to hear that - WarLord
thanks y'all. I'm just... I dunno, kinda shocked really. I knew something was wrong, but didn't want to believe it was that bad. dang. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
Damn. Sorry to hear that. Hope something better works out for you. - SAM
Oh jeez. - Joe
ow. so sorry to hear - MoTO: Team Marina
That sucks. - Steele Lawman
Aw, hell. I'm sorry t-ra. *hugs and hugs* - vicster: full-bodied
Oof, I'm sorry. - Anika
Oh, I'm sorry! - Katy S from iPhone
Oh no. - Marie
Sorry - Rodfather
aw man. sorry to hear that. - holly #ravingfangirl
Damn it. I'm sorry. - Betsy
:( So sorry to hear that. (((t-ra))) - Anne Bouey
:((( *hugs* - Tamara J. B.
I'm sorry. - Eric
sorry to hear that - Shevonne
:( Sorry to hear - Me
:( I'm sorry, T-Ra. - Stephen Mack
oh wow, you gais! you are so sweet. thanks for all your comments. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
I'm sorry, t-ra. Entirely their loss. - Brent Schaus from FFHound!
I hope this is a only a temporary setback for you. - Mark H
😢 - Steven Perez from Android
crap-o-potamus. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Oof. Bummer. Hope things turn around fast. - RepoRat
Sorry, t. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
So. very. Sorry! :( - CarlC
:( That sucks. - rönin
I am sorry - Patrick aka Damexican
Crap. - Meg VMeg from Android
wha??? *HUGS* is there anything we can do to help? - Sir Shuping is just sir
:( - imabonehead from Android
So very sorry :( - Janet from FFHound!
Oh no, sorry to hear that! - Stephan #TeamMarina from iPhone
Oh no! I am sorry to hear this news! - Hedgehog from Android
Shit. I'm sorry, honey. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
I'm so very sorry about this! - Galadriel C. from Android
oh shit (((((t)))) - Just VAL #TEAMMARINA
Thanks again, everyone. Y'all are so good to me. I truly appreciate being part of this community. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra from Android
Just saw this. Dammit, dammit, dammit. May the sucky part end soon and lead to something truly awesome. - Corinne L
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Stuff 'em, they don't deserve you - Mo Kargas
Oy. I hope it's because the universe needed to free you up for the effing fantastic plans in store for you soon. - Kristin
*hugs* - Michael W. May from Android
Damn. ((((hugs)))) - J. Marie B
Ugh! I'm so sorry :( - Jen
I hope this turn of events proves to be an opportunity to pursue something new and exciting. I know you will rock, whatever else you do. - Bren
Thank you, boo. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra from Android
:-(. I'm so sorry. - Shannon - GlassMistress
Oh, no. :( - Lisa L. Seifert from iPhone
Sorry to hear, let's talk I may have a project that might be interested in. - Eric Logan from FFHound!
oh Fuck! that sucks! - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Yvonne Renee
Ugh! Now Luke has a fever... Can't a mommy catch a break?
:( How's he doing? - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Woke up with a fever. Gave him ibuprofen at 7. At 11:30 he had a fever of 101.9 and I'm not supposed to give him more meds until 1pm. =( He doesn't seem to have strep though. Just the fever and a kind of congested cough. - Yvonne Renee
Poor guy. Summer fevers suck. - Stephen Mack
Of course, he just fell asleep and it's time for me to pick up Logan. =( - Yvonne Renee
Louis Gray
Hmm. How high should I get this tonight? 30k? 35k? 40k?
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First day of school meant I could walk the kids there (and return home). Then I walked to the Google shuttle, walked a bit to lunch (and back), and then, on a lark, I decided to time walking the Steven's Creek Trail home from Google. It took one hour and forty minutes to do a bit over 7 miles. - Louis Gray
So if I want to get home at 5, I just have to leave work at 3:20. :) - Louis Gray
Not too worried, Anna. - Louis Gray
33,358. - Louis Gray
Wow. How are your feet today? - Stephen Mack from iPhone
All is well. I've broken 50k twice, so 33k is fine. Over my 12k goal today too. - Louis Gray
Cristo
I hate wind
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Keeps blowing you back? - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
YAY CRISTO - Stephen Mack
Glad you're back in the loop, Cristo. - Brent Schaus
Cristo
People, Places and Things - http://cristoblanco.com/2014...
I'm enjoying your stories. - Anne Bouey
Thank you. I'm glad somebody is. :) - Cristo
I liked this one, Cristo! - Louis Gray
Thanks Louis. I appreciate it. - Cristo
So I was very curious about the details of the end -- why the project didn't meet your aspirations, and why you left. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
It was complicated, and probably not explainable within a 500 word post. Also, I've made a rule that the blog will generally focus on the positive—unless it's about me personally. :) - Cristo
Gotcha - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Yvonne Renee
Sadly, Logan is going to miss his first day of school. High fever and strep. What a bummer. #wedovacationright
:( - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Aw, geez. :-( - vicster: full-bodied
Shevonne
RT @geekandahalf: Today's my one year anniversary as a librarian at @AULibrary. Whew, that went quickly (And a pretty awesome job)!
I miss Derrick here. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
me too - Steele Lawman
Louis Gray
I'm Joining the Google Analytics Team to Help Make Data Count http://blog.louisgray.com/2014...
Grats! - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Steve and 4 other people
Kevin Fox
Real time face texture-mapping and projection. This is incredible. http://prostheticknowledge.tumblr.com/post...
Awesome. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Neat! - Amit Patel
Kevin Fox
Want. “@WIRED: A review of the iPhone infrared camera: The FLIR One http://www.wired.com/2014... http://t.co/5xj6IGhD86”
Why do you want one, Kevin? - Stephen Mack from iPhone
I wanted a cheap IR camera to figure out where heat was leaking out of the house. Doors? Windows? Yes, those are the most likely, but *which* doors and windows? What did I miss when re-caulking etc.? - Amit Patel
Steven Perez
Things To Stop Being Distracted By When A Black Person Gets Murdered By Police | - http://www.blackgirldangerous.org/2014...
Things To Stop Being Distracted By When A Black Person Gets Murdered By Police |
"I wish I didn’t have to tell some of you that victim-blaming when a Black person is murdered by police is a huge no. That it doesn’t matter if they were on the honor roll, or smoked weed sometimes, or were going to college, or what brand of hoodie they wore, or even if they spent time in jail at some point. That the right to walk down the street without being a target for murder by the police isn’t a right one should have to prove themselves worthy of. That we should all just have that right by virtue of being human beings." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
"When you’re Black, you don’t always get the benefit of being seen as a human being, though. Black people are seen as ‘up to no good’ by default. The truth is that our lives, like anyone else’s, are filled with good choices as well as mistakes, achievements we’re proud of as well as missed opportunities. Successes. Failures. Just like everyone else. But what’s also true is that we, as... more... - Steven Perez
"If we were to talk about a victim’s past, we would have to talk about it in a context of oppression. But, you know what? We don’t need to talk about it at all. Because it is irrelevant to issue of their victimization. Just like bringing up a victim’s past to justify her rape is wrong, bringing up a victim’s past to justify his murder by police is also wrong. Yes, even when those people are Black." - Steven Perez
"The victim’s past isn’t the issue. The issue is yet another unarmed Black teenager murdered by police. His name was Mike Brown." - Steven Perez
Steven -- the focus in this case should be on collecting and analyzing all the available physical evidence and ascertaining the truth of what really happened. That is my opinion, at any rate. Feel free to disagree. - Sean McBride
Sean: I agree. - Steven Perez from Android
Steven -- I also understand why there is a great deal of emotion about this incident -- there has been a long-standing pattern of unacceptable police brutality against minorities (especially blacks) in American society. But at the end of the day, this particular case will be resolved on the basis of the best evidence. And one still can't rule out the possibility that Michael Brown was in the act of surrendering when Darren Wilson shot him -- a deed which would probably (and justly) send Wilson to prison. - Sean McBride
Given how previous cases similar to this one have played out in the courts (Sean Bell, Oscar Grant, Trayvon Martin, etc), I am not as optimistic as you in the fairness of the legal system, Sean. - Steven Perez
Actually, ask Sean what he thought about how the Trayvon Martin case went. - Andrew C (✔)
Sean, someone (who I'm guessing you've blocked or has blocked you) wants to know what you think about how the Trayvon Martin case went. - Stephen Mack
I didn't pay much attention to the Trayvon Martin case -- it became a media circus of the type I usually filter out. But when the story came out about George Zimmerman pointing a shotgun at his pregnant girlfriend, I became convinced that justice was probably not done in that case -- Zimmerman should have been convicted. - Sean McBride
The Michael Brown case strikes me as being much more important than the Trayvon Martin case in terms of its political and cultural impacts. And in this instance there will be much more physical evidence and eyewitness testimony available to determine what really happened. I am hoping that the full truth comes out, no matter what the truth is -- and it will be difficult to spin the facts. Bottom line: seek justice. - Sean McBride
There are many white racist cops out there -- we all know that. The question is, is Darren Wilson one of them and did white racism motivate his shooting of Michael Brown. My mind is wide open to accepting that this is true if anyone can persuasively make the case. In the meantime, I have no opinions one way or the other. The most important factual point to resolve now is whether Brown was surrendering to Wilson or running at him. - Sean McBride
No doubt this may be annoying to some people: I tend to look at human situations as intellectual problems to be broken down and solved, to be looked at objectively from every angle, with every assumption and assertion being strongly tested. Sorry -- that's my temperament. Experience teaches that if you rush to judgment, you can get burned. Get your facts in order. Stand on as strong a... more... - Sean McBride
"“Why should we cherish “objectivity”, as if ideas were innocent, as if they don’t serve one interest or another? Surely, we want to be objective if that means telling the truth as we see it, not concealing information that may be embarrassing to our point of view. But we don’t want to be objective if it means pretending that ideas don’t play a part in the social struggles of our time,... more... - Steven Perez
Steven -- I was using "objectivity" in a different sense -- collecting all the facts about situations and arranging them in their true order (to the best of our ability) -- to read reality aright. We will, of course, all use these readings according to our respective value systems and agendas when we take positions. The point is, be on solid factual ground when taking positions *on... more... - Sean McBride
And I would agree with you, were we talking about a competent police department that wasn't intent on firing tear gas and rubber bullets into peaceful protesters, to say nothing of threatening anyone with a camera. Such is not the hallmark of rationality. - Steven Perez
There is plenty to criticize in the Ferguson police department -- but apparently some of the protestors are not so peaceful. That is why the NAACP endorsed sending the National Guard into this situation. Use Google Images and Youtube to turn up all the evidence of looting, rioting and vandalism that has been going on. What do you think that businesses and store owners and employees in... more... - Sean McBride
The majority of which could have been largely averted, had the police department handled the situation in a more professional manner. How much of the destruction that has been wrought has been a result of the police deciding to escalate an already tense situation until it became necessary to bring in the National Guard? - Steven Perez
Steven -- you're right -- the Ferguson police aggravated the situation. But here is the point: what kind of people loot, vandalize and destroy their own neighborhoods to engage in political protest? For instance, Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank have endured much worse treatment and suffering than Ferguson residents -- but they have never trashed their own neighborhoods as a form... more... - Sean McBride
There's your mistake, Sean: looters don't need a cause; they need an opportunity. Just ask every sports fan whose team just won a championship if the looters that smash up their downtown area are "fans". It's the same principle in this case. There's always going to be a group of opportunistic assholes that will take advantage of a situation to their benefit, especially in a nation founded by opportunistic assholes. - Steven Perez
This just in: [Ferguson protesters: The peaceful, the elders, the looters, and the ‘militants’ http://www.washingtonpost.com/politic...] - Sean McBride
Riots that occur after sporting events are not pretending to be acts of noble political protest. - Sean McBride
Celebration riots in North American Sports. http://bridgit.onu.edu/2010110... - Eric Logan
The Sociology of Crowds: Celebration Riots in North American Sports. http://www.onu.edu/node/35846 - Eric Logan
Actually they are fans it seems and large groups of young white males are usually present and it's most likely to happen after long droughts by the sports teams and the culture surrounding the venue matters according to the only study I can find. - Eric Logan
Of course Steven is most certainly correct that they are not really fans in the truest sense of the word anymore than the looters are supporters of this family. - Eric Logan
Steven -- I can't think of any instances in which Palestinians have looted, vandalized and trashed their own neighborhoods in recent months; or in which Jews did so in the Nazi era; or in which American revolutionaries or the Irish did so under British occupation. From a cultural standpoint, there is something anomalous about this behavior -- it is not typical in most political situations. - Sean McBride
Eric -- who better to pay tribute to Michael Brown than looters? He himself looted a store in Ferguson minutes before his violent confrontation with Darren Wilson. http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopol... - Sean McBride
Lots of people don't understand why looters "destroy their own neighborhoods" and I get it, but when people are disenfranchised and treated badly by those who are supposed to protect them, represent them, etc. it's hard to be personally invested in your neighborhood or even feel like it's "yours" at all. And while lots of folx scoff at the idea of outside agitators, the truth is they do... more... - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
The looting and vandalism are being chronicled in depth with images and videos posted on social media: 1. [Google Images; ferguson looting http://www.google.com/#q=ferg... 2. [Youtube; ferguson looting https://www.youtube.com/results...] - Sean McBride
You're talking in circles, Sean. We're saying why people loot, and your reply is essentially "BUT BUT BUT BUT LOOTING!!" - Steven Perez
^^^^ - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Steven -- I didn't see your response to this comment: I can't think of any instances in which Palestinians have looted, vandalized and trashed their own neighborhoods in recent months; or in which Jews did so in the Nazi era; or in which American revolutionaries or the Irish did so under British occupation. From a cultural standpoint, there is something anomalous about this behavior -- it is not typical in most political situations. - Sean McBride
Steven -- how do you think police should respond to the looting and vandalism? What is your best advice? - Sean McBride
"their own neighborhoods"... do the people of Ferguson hold stock in the stores & businesses that have been hit? In the actual neighborhoods, no one is breaking windows or setting fires to people's houses or apartments or schools..."their" stores & businesses aren't affected because "they" don't own them or profit from them. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
And you cannot compare what is happening to American citizens, who ostensibly have rights protected by the constitution, to Jews under Nazi occupation, who'd already been oppressed before the Nazis got there. They had no expectation of legal or constitutional protection and besides, nazis & anti-Semites did all the looting & burning for them. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
In the other political situations I mentioned -- for instance, in Gaza and the West Bank -- did Palestinians from one town enter another town and loot and vandalize it? Not that I know of. And the conditions of oppression in Gaza and the West Bank are much worse than in Ferguson. - Sean McBride
Well, Sean, I have a radical idea concerning how to deal with looters: stop shooting peaceful protesters, journalists and other pedestrians with tear gas, rubber bullets and sound cannons, and go arrest looters. And, if they can find the time, stop shooting unarmed black men. I know those sound pretty radical in the second decade of the 21st century, but maybe if the police really apply themselves, they can reach that goal. - Steven Perez
Anyone who tries to justify or rationalize in any way the looting and vandalism in Ferguson is going to have a tough sell with the American people -- even Michael Brown's family has strongly condemned that behavior *without equivocation*. - Sean McBride
Why are you comparing Ferguson to other places in the world? Do you think the people most affected by what's happening all have the luxury of watching, studying, and debating the politics of other countries? I'd guess the majority of people in Ferguson have been too busy working so they can pay their bills, raising their families, & trying to keep their children safe, to be worried about protest tactics elsewhere. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
folks in Ferguson being tear gassed while standing on their own property are "the American people." - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
And this is where our brains part ways, Sean: I think you're conflating "looters" and "protesters". Which is something the police in Ferguson are doing. It's like watching the Bush Doctrine played out in suburban St. Louis: "Hey, look! Looters!" "Never mind them! We're being filmed! Get the LRAD!" - Steven Perez
Steven -- I didn't conflate looters and vandals with peaceful protestors -- I strongly support peaceful protest and even civil disobedience -- I am a big fan of Henry David Thoreau. But looting and vandalism have come to play a major role in recent events in Ferguson -- it's all over the news, in both the mainstream and alternative media. - Sean McBride
Why am I comparing Ferguson to other places in the world and previous eras of American history? Because many of us have noticed that legitimate political protest movements almost never rely on the looting and vandalism of their own property to make a political point. And that is why the serious protestors in Ferguson want to rid the looters and vandals from their midst as soon as possible. - Sean McBride
And you're insinuating that the protest movement in Ferguson does rely on looting? - Steven Perez
Might want to check the title of this post again, Sean. - Steven Perez
I insinuated no such thing: I explicitly stated, for instance, that the Brown family has condemned the looters and vandals *without equivocation* -- with no rationalizations presented to explain their behavior. I have also strongly and repeatedly condemned the heavy-handed behavior of the police. - Sean McBride
I am not in support of violence or looting. But I think it's important that people stop thinking that "they" are destroying "their" property. That isn't what's happening. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
I rewrote the sentence above to make my point more clear: Many of us have noticed that legitimate political protest movements around the world and in American history have almost never been accompanied by the looting and vandalism of the protestors' own property to make a political point. - Sean McBride
Sean, you cannot compare blacks in America to any other oppressed people in world history. Unless you have some personal or family experience of 400 years of slavery, apartheid, and continuing genocide in African-American communities, you may have little understanding of how people feel. I'm not justifying looting, but perhaps as I suggested to Hostage on a MW thread that he and Chomsky... more... - weareone
Steven -- how would you characterize Michael Brown's behavior at the convenience store? What does his body language convey to you? http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopol... - Sean McBride
And saying "many of us have noticed..." doesn't really mean anything. I'd bet the vast majority of Americans don't see themselves in what is happening elsewhere, or put much thought into what it's like. Until it happens to them. And when it does, they're probably more likely to react in the moment than to go study protest movements in other countries. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT MIKE BROWN DID OR HOW HE ACTED. Whatever he may or may not have been doing, he SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN MURDERED FOR IT. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Seriously, it's like you didn't read, or don't care about, the OP article. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
My question was, how would you characterize Michael Brown's behavior in the convenience store? -- a simple question. No reasonable person believes that he deserved to be murdered for committing a strong-arm robbery. The facts about what occurred in his violent confrontation with Darren Wilson still haven't been sorted out -- the picture is still murky. - Sean McBride
weareone: "I'm not justifying looting." Well then we agree -- it is not justifiable -- and it is incredibly self-destructive, as many African-American leaders have emphasized in their public comments in recent days. - Sean McBride
And no one on this thread has suggested otherwise. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
How would I characterize Michael Brown in the convenience store? Two words: paying customer: https://www.youtube.com/watch...& - Steven Perez
Given that the Ferguson PD likes to play fast and loose with the facts (just the Al Jazeera camera crew how they felt about receiving "assistance" from the cops in the form of getting tear gassed - and then being told by the chief that no journalists had been gassed), you'll understand, Sean, why I think that the local fuzz is somewhat economical with the truth. - Steven Perez
You're focusing on the wrong thing. As someone else has stated, often provocateurs are brought into the community to shift the focus, the narrative. Even if this was not the case, focus on the injustice. - weareone
Steven -- didn't Dorian Johnson already acknowledge that they robbed the store? Correct me if I am wrong. Why did Brown bully, intimidate and shove the cashier? Most people have characterized his body language as thuggish. - Sean McBride
And those people would probably see ANY black or brown person's body language as "thuggish" - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
You're illustrating the point that the OP article is making, illustrating it beautifully. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
weareone: my Irish ancestors experienced a great deal of oppression in Ireland and the United States for many years -- but it is not a subject that I dwell on at all -- I tend to be forward-looking -- most Americans are. With regard to the comparative oppression of peoples worldwide historically speaking, African-Americans certainly rank high on the list. But as you well know, hundreds... more... - Sean McBride
Starmama: how, then, would you characterize the body language in these images? http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopol... - Sean McBride
I voted for Barack Obama twice for president precisely because he was the *least* thuggish of the available candidates. - Sean McBride
That brings up an even more troubling question, Sean: why didn't the police pick up Johnson, if for nothing else, then at least for questioning? Why was Chris Hayes the first person to interview an alleged robbery suspect? - Steven Perez
I see a big guy pushing a smaller guy out of his way. Maybe Mike was being mean. Maybe he was mad at something the other guy said. I also see another goddamned distraction in the form of dissecting a murder victim's behavior to shift accountability from the police officer to Mike Brown. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
The alleged robbery, btw, wasn't even an issue. Store never called police about it. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Steven -- you are asking questions that still need to be answered -- and I can't wait for the answers. But is it a fact that Dorian Johnson himself acknowledged that he and Brown committed a strong-arm robbery in the convenience store? Johnson's own lawyer confirmed this on NPR yesterday -- and NPR -- hardly a right-wing media outlet -- was intensely curious about the problematic issues that have been raised in the last few days in this group. - Sean McBride
Which group? - MoTO: Team Marina
Starmama -- the main issue in this controversy is whether Brown was surrendering or charging Wilson when he was shot, and whether he assaulted Wilson before the shooting. Do you think you know what happened? I don't know. What we know so far is that the eyewitness claims that Brown was shot in the back were false. With regard to Dorian Johnson's credibility: even NPR questioned it yesterday. - Sean McBride
US Politics. - Sean McBride
Sean - Even NPR? Why is that so surprising? - MoTO: Team Marina
Do you think there is anything improper in NPR wondering about Dorian Johnson's credibility? Johnson's lawyer, the former mayor of St. Louis, took no offense to Robert Siegel's sharp and skeptical line of questioning. - Sean McBride
Sean, I'm not referring to past historical events, I'm talking about ongoing genocide and apartheid in the black community. Apartheid is now taking a different form, much more subtle and insidious than in Palestine or South Africa. The form is incarceration of the black community. Some stats are here: http://www.naacp.org/pages... but just one example- 5 times... more... - weareone
weareone -- I have been aware of these statistics for a long time -- this is a huge social problem that needs to be addressed. I agree. With regard to the Ferguson situation what mainly interests me is uncovering the truth about really happened in the violent confrontation between Brown and Wilson and pursuing justice on the basis of that truth. Some people are assuming that they know what really happened before a full investigation has been completed -- I am not one of them. - Sean McBride
NPR, Sean? Link, please. - Steven Perez from Android
Everyone would like justice and truth, but the truth is that we have a very unjust system at the moment-police, courts, media, elected officials. I think this is the frustration that many are expressing."The Shortest Distance Between Palestine and Ferguson " http://www.counterpunch.org/2014... - weareone
And that is why we need to pay very close attention to this investigation -- and demand that it be an honest investigation, with no suppression, manipulation or skewing of the facts. - Sean McBride
Also, six bullets is a little over-the-top a punishment for alleged petty theft, especially when the officer who pulled the trigger had no idea that an alleged robbery had taken place when he shot Brown in the street. - Steven Perez from Android
Steven -- I heard the Siegel interview of Johnson's lawyer on my car radio yesterday afternoon. I'll look for a link -- but you may be able to beat me to it. - Sean McBride
Steven -- the robbery had little to do with the shooting -- other than possibly making Brown and Johnson paranoid about being stopped by Wilson within minutes of the crime. The open question that needs to be resolved is whether or not Brown assaulted Wilson, grabbed for his gun, and later turned and charged at him. That claim is out there, but we don't know whether it is true or not.... more... - Sean McBride
Sean, no. I just asked why you were apparently surprised. As for the officer being a "maniac" I haven't seen any credible claims of that nature. What is known is that Ferguson police are nortorious for harassment of black people. Which may just put them in line with Missouri law enforcement in general. - MoTO: Team Marina from Android
If you believe that all these people murdered by police were reaching for the cops' guns, you're wrong. Whenever I hear that, I automatically process it as a lie. You'd have to be incredibly stupid, or fully confident in your white privilege, to try to take away a cop's gun. Most people, and black people especially, know that that will lead to them being dead. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Paranoid people generally don't mouth off to police, Sean. If Brown and Johnson had actually just pulled a robbery, why didn't they hightail it out of the street the minute they saw the cop? - Steven Perez from Android
We're going in circles, Sean. How are you going to insure an" honest investigation, with no suppression, manipulation or skewing of the facts" ? Did you ever see the movie, "The Great Debaters?" It addresses some of these issues--what is the appropriate response to unjust laws or laws that are not applied with equality or corrupt officials who protect the status quo? - weareone
Steven -- once again, you are asking questions that need to be answered -- one could make any number of speculations about every aspect of the case as we know it so far. Let's get all the facts out. - Sean McBride
I can't even believe the claim that Brown was charging the officer. Maybe he was mouthing off. But I'm telling you, unless they're on drugs (not weed), the likelihood of someone thinking they can get away with charging toward an armed cop is probably close to nil. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
weareone -- aggressive investigative journalists and social media are going to be all over this case, looking into every minute detail. It will be nearly impossible to engineer a cover-up, in my opinion. The US Justice Department seems to be partly or fully in charge of the investigation -- one doubts that Barack Obama and Eric Holder would participate in a cover-up to unfairly exonerate Wilson. - Sean McBride
Starmama -- I agree -- it sounds completely crazy for Brown to have charged Wilson while Wilson was pointing a gun at him -- no sane person would do that. It is definitely not a claim that I am inclined to believe based on common sense. - Sean McBride
And trust and believe, most of us with black children have already had the conversation with them about how they may be treated by the police, and how to conduct themselves in any contact they may have with them. I'm sure that's something you cannot wrap your mind around. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Starmama -- I have black friends -- I know about that conversation. - Sean McBride
And by all accounts, Mike Brown was neither stupid nor insane. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
At the same time, Wilson would have had to be crazy to shoot Brown *six times* (at least) while he was surrendering, with his hands in the air, and with any number of potential eyewitnesses in the immediate vicinity. At least one of the two parties in this confrontation was definitely not in his right mind. - Sean McBride
But I still doubt you could fully comprehend what it's like to never have complete confidence in your child's safety being guaranteed by the police. Or knowing that your child will be judged, and treated, based on how he looks, regardless of how he behaves. As well as I like to believe I have prepared him, I still lose sleep over the dangers he faces that a white teenager never even needs to consider. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Sean, a little free advice? Never lead with "I have black friends." I don't doubt your sincerity but it falls flat. You shouldn't have to be in proximity to black people to have empathy for them. That seems to be a large part of the problem. We largely don't get the benefit of the doubt. It's like the conservative politician who doesn't support gay rights until he discovers that his son is gay. - MoTO: Team Marina
MoTO -- I was just stating a fact -- I have had conversations about these conversations with black friends -- and heard disturbing stories from them on these issues. This topic isn't abstract for me. - Sean McBride
Sean, I don't doubt your sincerity either based on our discussions on other threads, but good advice from MoTO. Sean--- <<It will be nearly impossible to engineer a cover-up, in my opinion>> I hope you're right. - weareone
Again, I don't doubt that it is. Just consider what I said. - MoTO: Team Marina
"The open question that needs to be resolved is whether or not Brown [...] later turned and charged at him. " As Shaun King tweeted, according to eyewitness accounts, Brown ran 35 feet from the cop car before stopping and turning. The _fact_ is that he died 35 feet from the cop car. So this question seems pretty resolved to me. https://storify.com/miniver... - Andrew C (✔)
I stand reprimanded for divulging that I've had conversations with black friends about black political and social issues. I will take care to keep that secret in the future. :) By the way, I didn't lead with that information -- I mentioned it off-handedly in the course of this conversation about "the conversation." - Sean McBride
Andrew -- that's a compelling argument -- maybe this case will revolve around those all-important 35 feet. (But -- was Wilson standing by the car when he fired the shots? Or had he pursued Brown to a position away from the car?) - Sean McBride
"was Wilson standing by the car when he fired the shots? Or had he pursued Brown to a position away from the car?" -- Neither matters at all when considering whether or not Brown charged. He made it 0 feet back towards Wilson. But if you are curious, there are multiple eyewitness reports that do in fact answer this second question you've just raised. - Andrew C (✔)
In terms of successfully prosecuting a case against Wilson, all of these niggling details will matter greatly. - Sean McBride
Andrew: what do you make of this? -- [Conversation recorded by bystander just moments after Michael Brown shooting casts doubt on claims the teen surrendered to Officer Darren Wilson http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news...] If there is a trial, this will become part of it. - Sean McBride
I guess if you're gonna believe what you're gonna believe, I can't stop you. - Andrew C (✔)
Andrew -- I didn't express any "beliefs" about the content of the Daily Mail article -- I was wondering what you make of it -- is it credible? - Sean McBride
Sean, I saw that video the other day. I'm not convinced that the people in that video were 'witnesses'. It sounds more like hearsay to me. They also mention 4 shots fired, a break, then 4 more shots. One person (is that in this video) says the last shots were fired closer and after Michael Brown was down in the street. - Greg GuitarBuster
Would it be fair to say that the conversations that were recorded here within moments of the shooting were spontaneous and uncoached? That is a factor I would take into consideration. - Sean McBride
Yep, definitely spontaneous and uncoached. - Greg GuitarBuster
Right -- but not necessarily true or a first-person account, as you point out. Still.... - Sean McBride
Sean, take it as you please. I could take your last comment to me as patronizing. But I'm taking the high road :) - MoTO: Team Marina
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Just completed a 2.94 mi run with @RunKeeper. Check it out! http://rnkpr.com/a6w2zw9 #RunKeeper
Just completed a 2.94 mi run with @RunKeeper. Check it out! http://rnkpr.com/a6w2zw9 #RunKeeper
This was my return to MVARC and their Monday track runs after a two month absence! - Stephen Mack
Yay! :-) - Tamara J. B. from FFHound(roid)!
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Don Pardo, Longtime Saturday Night Live Announcer, Dead at 96 | TVLine - http://tvline.com/2014...
Don Pardo, Longtime Saturday Night Live Announcer, Dead at 96 | TVLine
"Veteran television and radio announcer Dominick “Don” Pardo, best known as the voice of Saturday Night Live, has died. He was 96. Pardo’s daughter, Paula, confirmed the news to CBS Radio. Pardo retired from NBC in 2004, but continued to provide the introductions for SNL — most recently, pre-recording them from his home in Arizona. He had only missed one season of SNL — the show’s seventh — giving him a longer tenure than even Lorne Michaels (who stepped away for five seasons)." - Me from Bookmarklet
RIP. SNL will never be the same. - Stephen Mack
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The Wonderful, Weird Economy of Burning Man [The Atlantic] - http://www.theatlantic.com/busines...
The Wonderful, Weird Economy of Burning Man [The Atlantic]
The Wonderful, Weird Economy of Burning Man [The Atlantic]
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From the article: " 'Burning Man is like a big family picnic,' festival founder Larry Harvey told me. 'Would you sell things to one another at a family picnic? No, you’d share things.' " - Stephen Mack from Bookmarklet
The part at the beginning about the airport is fascinating. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Are you going this year? We really have to figure out a meetup! - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Yup! 7 & E. I'll invite you to our camp parties! - Stephen Mack from iPhone
hooray! I'll be around 3:00 and I again. And I love me some parties! - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I'm counting down until next year. Have a delightful burn, everyone. - joey
*hugs* Sorry you won't be there Joey. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
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It's a hell of a way to demonstrate American exceptionalism.
It's a different kind of exceptionalism: "Justice for all! Except you." - Stephen Mack
Andrew C (✔)
RT @mallelis: one of the best dismissals of "proportional representation" in diversity discussions I've seen yet, from @leonicka http://the-toast.net/2014...
"Census numbers and statics on demographics are not objective representations of a population. Behind the numbers is a whole history that answers the question “how did this happen?” You cannot say the US and Canada are white majority countries without acknowledging that the US and Canada are white settler colonialists nations. I’m sorry. Are we not supposed to talk about that?" - Andrew C (✔)
"You cannot point to the small percentage of people from x ethnic background as justification for their exclusion without acknowledging that the departments of immigration (and national security) of the US and Canada tightly regulate the movement of peoples across their borders based in large part on the labour needs of the state. Were we not supposed to talk about that either?" - Andrew C (✔)
"This reality is a bit harder to swallow: There are more white people in the US and Canada because the US and Canada were established using the systematic genocide of Native peoples, the theft of Native lands, and the labour of enslaved peoples in the past and immigrant peoples currently who were and are never meant to stay or survive. And now you’re uncomfortable. Good. When you accept... more... - Andrew C (✔)
Great points. - Stephen Mack
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