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Re: Wasted innovation: Google Wave - http://www.tigraine.at/2009...
"For me personally Wave is primarily a collaboration tool and I've already participated in at least one really good one through Wave. That said, Wave in its current state is definitely over-hyped. Too many things are still very half-baked (if even remotely close to an oven."
- Horst Gutmann
"Das ist ein Testkommentar"
- Horst Gutmann
Re: Django Dose - Django Dose Community Catchup - Episode #2: 09/30/2009 - http://djangodose.com/podcast...
Eric Florenzano liked this
"Great show again and thanks for the mention :-) (P.S.: Austrian not German ;-) )"
- Horst Gutmann
Dang! I took a stab at nationality and I stabbed wrong. Sorry dude!
- Eric Florenzano
LOL, no worries :-D
- Horst Gutmann
from IM
Slippery slope - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Bist du jetzt komplett auf FF umgestiegen und weg von Twitter?=
- Daniel Hoelbling
Nein, ich habe derzeit nur nicht wirklich Zeit für Twitter ODER FF ;-) Und da FF automatisch ist, fällts hier nicht so wirklich auf ;-)
- Horst Gutmann
from IM
:::MOVING PIXELS:DESIGN::: - http://www.duler.ru/design...
Some really great design shots of the Sukhoi Pak Fa.
- Horst Gutmann
Could it be that the language selection in the profile doesn't work (at least in Chrome) and that "Language" hasn't been translated into German yet? :-)
Kol Tregaskes liked this
Hi Horst, this is a known bug. Try using the dropdown at the bottom of the feed for now. We'll fix this shortly!
- Ana
Ana: Ah thank you :-) Didn't see that other dropdown menu :-)
- Horst Gutmann
from IM
What do you talk about at BarCamps http://sandiego.metblogs.com/2009... read! #marketing is BORING!
Horst Gutmann liked this
So wahr. Irgendwie werden die ganzen Marketing-Talks echt langweilig :-) Ist vermutlich auch einer der Gründe, warum Zeugs wie CupcakeCamps so gut besucht sind ;-)
- Horst Gutmann
Ever Downloaded a Copyrighted Song? You Owe Infinity Dollars - http://mashable.com/2009...
Kol Tregaskes, Bruno C. Vellutini, Miguel Caetano and 5 other people liked this
If you're going to steal, probably better perform an actual robbery...or else.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
how a jury can bring something like this down on a private person is totally beyond me ...
- Horst Gutmann
from IM
LOVE the title of this post! Frankly, I think the true crime is the amount the RIAA is getting!
- faryl
so ridiculous. the law is an ass in the States
- Phil Wain
read it in the local newspaper this morning - that's frightening if you have kids with internet access
- schilke
Rotes Kreuz launcht Social Network: Das passiert, wenn man nicht aufpasst - http://netzwertig.com/2009...
Wer Blut spendet, tut dies, weil er helfen möchte, und nicht, um dadurch andere Menschen kennenzulernen oder Spaß zu haben.
- Lisa Tiyamiyu
Haben die Achievements? ;-) "2 Liter gespendet" ^_^
- Horst Gutmann
We started including FriendFeed subscriber counts when we crawl your blog's feed - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
Amarnath Prabhakar, HealingBrush, Ruben Sanchez and 184 other people liked this
This means that, if you use a service FeedBurner, your subscriber totals will include FriendFeed subscribers in addition to subscriber counts from Google Reader, Bloglines, etc. For a lot of people like me, this will be a pretty significant boost in your overall subscriber numbers.
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
This is great! Thanks!
- Stephen Mack
Not sure why it is called "friendfeedagg" right now :) We will ask them to make the name a bit friendlier, but the stats are there nonetheless.
- Bret Taylor
What service did Kevin use to make that pie chart in the example?
- Stephen Mack
Thanks again to the FeedBurner team for working with us on this one - they were incredibly responsive and great to work with.
- Bret Taylor
Stephen: the chart comes from FeedBurner ( http://feedburner.google.com/fb...)
- Bret Taylor
from email
Very interesting !
- Farzad
Great!
- تنهاترین انجل
You can add your blog to your FriendFeed profile (if it isn't already there) at http://friendfeed.com/setting...
- Bret Taylor
not sure if i like it...
- Zio Bonino
There is a problem. My followers on FriendFeed follow all my feeds, not only my blog. So the "attention focus" is different between one user that follows directly my blog via RSS and an user that follows all about me. Two different counts in the main page of FeedBurner, RSS and FF, would be great.
- Alessandro Di Nicola
and for the reach stats? it's crawled?
- Felter Roberto
I'm not sure this was the right thing to do. Yes, there are 200 people subscribed to me on friendfeed, and my blog entries fly by in their feed. But from the Google Analytics stats, there are essentially no referrals from friendfeed to actually read the blog posts. Someone who subscribes to the blog RSS feed can be said to have an intent to actually read the blog, A subscriber on friendfeed doesn't necessarily have such an intent.
- DGentry
Unfortunately I suspect we'll see a TechCrunch article soon about "How To Inflate Your Subscriber Numbers Using friendfeed.com!" Edit: like the one they wrote about netvibes http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
- DGentry
I agree with DGentry and Alessandro, this may not be a good idea. The problem could occur when Twitter and Facebook start reporting subscribers in the same way. This could start a very bad trend.
- Rob Diana
Hmm, I'm not sure if I like that. It surely inflates the subscriber-stats for the Feedburner-Feeds.
- Marcel Weiß
I think this is a disaster for feedburner. I publish a full feed from my blog so subscribers get the same content they would have if they visited the site. I can lump that into traffic as if they were a site visitor. But friendfeed merely publishes a headline so those friend feed subscribers have a very different experience than the ordinary RSS or email subscribers. In looking at recent traffic, only 10 referrals out of 7,000 came from friendfeed.
- Doug Cornelius
I agree - I am not loving this for my feedburner stats, seems not quite right. To me it seems like FF subs are subscribing less to my blog feed and more to me and my general commentary/presence on FF. It seems a little inflationary for rss sub numbers. I prefer to keep them separate, rss subs and ff subs.
- felix
but feedburner shown who "WANT" read our feed o who CAN read it? i think the second. And now it's the same. :)
- Felter Roberto
I'm awaiting Louis Gray's opinion. I think he had 8,500 RSS subscribers before, and now has 13,814. Which is the more accurate representation of the number of regular readers of louisgray.com ?
- DGentry
perhaps is better crawl blog's feed really show in FF. If i go out and my pc in off all the day, my google reader don't read any feed e my ff don't show me any message, Feedburner count me for FF and don't for google reader. And tomorrow, when i turn on my pc, my google reader download all the feed and i can read also the post of the day before, but FF show me only the last message and i lose all of the post.
- Felter Roberto
Whoa, awesome!! FriendFeed rocks! :) My new blog at http://susanbeebe.com now has a huge potential for additional subscribers due to this great new feature FF just added, THANK YOU! :)
- Susan Beebe
Wow my subscribers just jumped up 3000%
- Ralph Whitbeck
What's done can not be theoretically undone - so if this is the way it is, it should stay, or our one-time blips will look odd, won't they? DGentry, I don't know if I am in love with it. I think Rob is right in terms of it rendering the number meaningless. I've been excited to see my numbers go from 5,000 to 8,000 naturally (I guess) in the last two months. This means I can't celebrate that jump.
- Louis Gray
Doug said: "But friendfeed merely publishes a headline so those friend feed subscribers have a very different experience than the ordinary RSS or email subscribers." A lot of people use Google Reader in list view, which is *almost* the same thing as just seeing a title. There's no way to differentiate between those subscribers and ones which see the full content. Or subscribers that choose to mark all your items as read or just ignore them without even looking at the titles.
- Tony Ruscoe
For Louis, I guess the saving grace here is that you can see the breakdown in FeedBurner and choose to ignore FriendFeed if you wish. That means you can still watch your "normal" subscriber numbers climb and celebrate hitting 8,000 subscribers naturally. (You just can't share that number in a chicklet...)
- Tony Ruscoe
Tony: agreed these issues already exist for RSS subscription counts, and for web based readers such as gReader users could be counted even if completely inactive
- Mike Chelen
If someone subscribes to me on FriendFeed but also subscribes via other means - are those deduped or do they essentially get counted twice?
- AJ Kohn
AJ, I assume yes.
- Louis Gray
They get double counted, naturally.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
What if more than one user has the same feed, like Philipp and I do for the Google Blogoscoped blog feed? Does that add together both of our subscriber totals? And does it include all the subscribers for all the groups where it's been added too? (Cross-posted from http://ff.im/47QNJ.)
- Tony Ruscoe
One clear flaw of this is that my wife's blog at http://www.thegrayeffect.com, says it now has more than 9,300 readers, up from 50 yesterday. That's clearly wrong.
- Louis Gray
This is very bad! Of course I'd like higher numbers of RSS subscribers but this is a fake number. Please consider this again...
- Marko Saric
Louis I think thats the general problem: when someone subscribes to you on ff, are they also a subscriber to you on every one of the services you import? You import thegrayeffect.com as an RSS feed, and you have 9270 subscribers here, therefore thegreyeffect.com has 9270 new readers. More broadly, does a subscriber to the aggregate feed also count as a subscriber to every individual component of that feed? Or is the sum greater than the individual parts?
- DGentry
I saw a huge jump in subscribers today. I thought that Feedburner was broken. This explains it.
- Gary
Tony and Louis, the multi-author blog is one of those feeds that causes problems. I did not like this to start, and I am beginning to think I like it even less.
- Rob Diana
I hope Twitter and others don't get the same idea...
- Marko Saric
Hummm. As much as I like the idea, it seems destined to provide incentive for people to beg for subscribers here on FriendFeed which is exactly the behavior that I seek to avoid, and has been generally devoid on FriendFeed to date. It rewards FriendFeed usage and - as such - helps FriendFeed grow but ... is it the *right* growth?
- AJ Kohn
OK. Now I understood why my Feedburner count was inflated. I think, this is not a right thing to do.
- Krishnamoorthy
I actually REALLY dislike this A LOT. My subscriber count was a great measuring stick for me and also a solid indication of how many people -might- actually be reading my content. The vast majority of my subscribers here aren't reading my blog. It's very misleading and makes the RSS subscriber count a lot more meaningless to me.
- Ryan Stephens
Rob, one of the oddities here is that FriendFeed shows more than 9,000 adds to TheGrayEffect, but only about 5,000 to louisgray.com. That may be due to deduplication, but it is certainly odd.
- Louis Gray
howtomakemyblog: Twitter and Friendfeed are in this regard completely different services and I therefor don't see any way in which Twitter could do something like this. But Jaiku might do it.
- Horst Gutmann
from IM
I'm wondering, though: are people who hide the blog feed substracted from the number of subscribers?
- Horst Gutmann
from IM
The easy fix is to disconnect my blog feed from FriendFeed. Otherwise the subscriber numbers are useless. --- So I did. That seems like a bad result for FriendFeed.
- Doug Cornelius
Wow Doug, you chose Feedburner stat purity over FF conversations? That's pretty surprising to me. I suppose you can always tweet your posts into FF if you really want 'em to show up.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
I just deleted my blog feed from FriendFeed... it's a stupid change really... fake, inflated numbers... it's much easier to get a FriendFeed subscriber than a real RSS subscriber. And also a real RSS subscriber is much more likely to take a look at your article than a FriendFeed one.... spammers that want to boost their RSS subscriber numbers will love this though!
- Marko Saric
I can't help but notice that Marko and Doug have 350ish FF comments each. I suppose that shades your perception of this change in a different way than it might for someone who - like me - has orders of magnitude more FF comments than blog posts.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel, the fact that they have a smaller comment count should be concerning to FriendFeed because those are the users they need to keep. People like myself and more active users are not going anywhere.
- Rob Diana
HAHAH - now i see what happened - i don't use my feedburner feed here for CN - but for my other sites I do - so now I see I got about 2,000-2,500 bump for those feeds today - yea, like 2,500 people coming to insidetransit every day - i wish! as Rob says, these numbers are meaningless and shouldn't be reported this way. just like the other "defaults" on some of the other services like google reader. mystery solved.
- Allen Stern
Oh yeah I'm not saying FF should keep the feature as is - it's misleading at best - just that I was surprised that anyone values their Feedburner count over their FF stream's purity.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
So who's really at fault here? FF for taking advantage of Feedburner's poor implementation of subscriber counts or Feedburner for offering the possibility?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Do you think FriendFeed had any idea there would be this many people talking about it?
- Rob Diana
So is it better to turn it off altogether or to make it a toggleable feature that users can choose to use or abuse at their discretion?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
@Rob - Who knows what FF expected, but it's really cool to see discussion evolving around this in a live FF thread. People are being mostly civil and constructive and it's all happening right here on the FF thread. I guarantee you FF HQ is reading this and staying hands off for a few hours until they can figure out a solid response.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Instead of deleting your blog feed from FriendFeed, you could just provide FriendFeed with your actual feed URL instead of the FeedBurner one. (I don't think the feed URL actually gets published anywhere by FriendFeed, does it?)
- Tony Ruscoe
daniel - you cant do that - then x blog says "we have y subs" while z blog says "we have a subs" and x gets the ad deal because they have more subs, etc. sadly advertisers and agencies still don't get that the number is meaningless.
- Allen Stern
@Allen - Most of us here aren't directly making money off of subscriber counts, but I appreciate that this would be an issue of great importance to you.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel: No matter how active you are on FriendFeed, if you think a FriendFeed subscriber is just as valuable to your blog as your RSS subscriber, you are fooling yourself. And I am talking about value to your blog as that is what RSS subscriber number represents, not about relationships / conversations etc. you might have wit hyour "subscriber" on FriendFeed...
- Marko Saric
I think my Friendfeed network is more valuable to me than my blog's readership, but I still keep the blog around for the few unique things it can offer me: A well-developed body of work to point to in professional situations, google juice, and a place to share long-form ideas.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
So if I could get Robert Scoble, Jason Calacanis and Leo Laporte to add my post-every-six months blog to their feeds, does that mean Feedburner would show I have 100K subscribers?
- Ken Sheppardson
This will definitely be abused by spammers who will use it as an opportunity to inflate their RSS numbers and make their blogs seem more important to potential advertisers, readers, subscribers etc who are unaware of this FriendFeed change.
- Marko Saric
Jason Calacanis To Pay Friendfeed $200,000 For Spot on Suggested Users List
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
+1 Daniel
- Allen Stern
There's no reason Twitter couldn't turn around and do the same thing, right? Heck, they could set up a service to automatically tweet your RSS feed over to Twitter on your behalf, then just add the number of Twitter subscribers you have to their stats. I think this is more a Feedburner fail than a FriendFeed issue.
- Ken Sheppardson
Seems like maybe somebody took all the "Have you ditched Google Reader for FriendFeed" threads the wrong way... hm.
- Ken Sheppardson
What about making this optional per feed?
- Horst Gutmann
from IM
Ken, right now Twitter doesn't request any feeds though. Those numbers get into FeedBurner by FriendFeed providing a subscriber count in the USER_AGENT header when they request the feed.
- Tony Ruscoe
It seems logical to me that you're counting people and not tools.
- Mistletoe Glen
I'm surprised Feedburner agreed to this. Next Twitter will ask that followers on their service count as readership.
- Aviv
Aviv - that presumes that FF and FB had a discussion about this. It reads to me like FB always allowed polling agents to specify a subscriber count via their API and that the FF team just decided to change the way they utilize that feature.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
If someone subscribes to your blog feed using Google Reader, it doesn't mean they read it. Likewise, if someone subscribes to your FriendFeed, they may or may not read your blog posts. Subscriber numbers are all about reach. I see no difference between FriendFeed and Google Reader. Your subscribers see what you're posting and decide whether they want to read it. Using web analytics...
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- Tony Ruscoe
tony +1
- Horst Gutmann
from IM
Tony, you're right about RSS subscribers being able to skip over your posts at will but there's still a disctinction to be made between subscribing directly to a blog feed (traditional) versus subscribing to the totality of a person's shared activity (friendfeed). The former implies an explicit interest in the blog, the latter does not. Moreover FF makes it trivial for a user to subscribe to a person and then perma-hide their blog posts if for example you like talking to Louis Gray but not about his blog.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Tony, you have to agree that subscribing on Google Reader means at the very least that right now, at the time of adding that subscription, you have the intention of reading future blog posts. But with FF, I don't think I'm even aware of blogs maintained by 90% of the people I'm subscribed to.
- Aviv
VERY cool.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Daniel, Aviv, good points. But I think that by subscribing to a person, you're generally interested in them and what they have to say. Blogs are merely a subset of that person. The big problem for me is that there's no way to verify that you own a blog feed, so (I think) it will inflate your subscribers if it's added to multiple user accounts and groups even without your permission.
- Tony Ruscoe
To put it another way, should anyone in your field care that your mom reads your blog? We all know she's just doing it because she loves you, not because your blog is so gosh darned wonderful. FF subscribers in FB stats are the same thing - people like *you* and while that might carry over to a limited interest in your blog it certainly doesn't imply that many of them have ever read it.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
I subscribe to blogs of people I know because of who they are (in addition to blogs which interest me) even if I'm not particularly interested in the subject they write about just in case they write something I like. The fact that I know them and like them as a person often means we've got at least one thing in common. And vice versa. I like reading lots of my FriendFeed subscriptions' blogs but I've never subscribed in Google Reader, so FriendFeed is currently the only way they can see me as a statistic.
- Tony Ruscoe
Fb must count only the number of post link shown on FF, exactly how count how much feed google reader download from the blog. it's different that to use the contact number at all. it's possible? i don't know
- Felter Roberto
from twhirl
Innovative. I don't use FeedBurner on my blog, so not seeing the effect. Still relying on the Google Reader count of subscribers.
- Hutch Carpenter
Yet another great reason for a blogger to invest time in the friendfeed community!
- Garin Kilpatrick
So ... if I convince other people to use my blog as one of their fed items, then I pick up the amount of people who are subscribed to them as well? Or create a new account and put a few different blogs on it and get people to subscribe. Or 'trade' a feed for a feed with others to boost each other's counts? The more I think about this, the more I dislike it.
- AJ Kohn
Hmm nice. Just jumped from about 5 to 148 with tobiasverhoog.com I do think though that friendfeeders may read my feed differently than subscribers via Google Reader or another feedreader.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Uh, maybe it's because I have not had my coffee but where do I see this shiny chart? Friendfeed? Feedburner?
- Rick Cogley
Rick: you can see it in FeedBurner
- Bret Taylor
from email
Bret: thanks. Yes indeed it's there. :-)
- Rick Cogley
and another thing to add onto what Daniel has been saying: hides. if I have 10 FF subscribers but 3 of them are hiding my blog entries, does it report the subscriber to Feedburner as 10, or 7? if it's the former, then the Feedburner stats become really inflated.
- chrisofspades
also, there's nothing in FriendFeed that stops me from importing someone else's blog, which means I can artificially inflate their Feedburner stats without them even knowing I did it. seems ripe for gaming, to me.
- chrisofspades
Right, Chris. As I have 9,000 potential to add to you, I'll start selling slots for $9k.
- Louis Gray
as enticing as that is Louis, I don't have a blog ;)
- chrisofspades
how does it know to link it to your feedburner?
- Gary
Gary, first of all you need to be using FeedBurner for your blog feed. Each time FF requests your feed, they include the number of subscribers in the user agent string. FeedBurner then uses that number to include in the stats for your feed. (If you don't use FeedBurner, you'll still be able to see the stats in your web logs each time your feed is requested.)
- Tony Ruscoe
from fftogo
If people are being exposed to my blog headlines, no matter if it’s on an RSS reader or FriendFeed, they should be counted as potential audience. At the end of the day, the much more important metric to measure is the actual visits to your blog and how often they visit afer that. I've posted some thoughts about it here http://bit.ly/N0jQc
- Jorge Escobar
So that's what happened....
- Spot us
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A plugin for jQuery that helps aligning content boxes horizontally
- Horst Gutmann
Für jeden IE8-Download spendet Microsoft Essen für bedürftige Amerikaner. http://www.neowin.net/news... Ich wusste, dass es einen Grund für IE8 gibt!!
Gemein wäre es, wenn sie sowas für #ie6 machen würden ;-)
- Horst Gutmann
For those of you who use Twitter, do you like seeing people you subscribe to tweet a link to each post on their blog? Or does that annoy you? (e.g., if you wanted to be notified of their blog entries, you'd subscribe to their blog's RSS feed)
Daniel Rowley, Nicholas James, Rusty Keller and 7 other people liked this
Personally, I've assumed the latter and thus have avoided tweeting a link to every new post of mine on my blog. But I'm noticing that the former seems to be the norm... and if people really appreciate such notifications (maybe they don't use a feed reader?) then I'm happy to accommodate.
- Adam Lasnik
For me, it's really easy for me to unfollow people who fill their twitter stream with redundant information. FriendFeed aggregates RSS feeds, if I really wanted that.
- John μller
It depends on the percentage if their tweets that a self-links. If it's almost all they do, it's annoying.
- Brett Kelly
I don't really mind that. What is annoying, though, is if people post their location (via Brightkite etc.) every couple of minutes.
- Horst Gutmann
fact is that tweeting brings more readers... since I have 10 times more followers than subscribers
- Ihar Mahaniok
Twitter is also much more spam-bot friendly than your RSS feed == Twitter is better ;-)
- Horst Gutmann
It is helpful if I am a reader of their blog, and know that they will respond to @replies on the topic.
- Mike Chelen
if they post all the blog entries on twitter, I drop their RSS feed and follow only the tweets.
- righini riprova
Adam - If it's not overdone, think it's fine. Just more ongoing 'in-the-moment' discovery. Have even been known to do it myself .. occasionally :)
- Charlie Anzman
I think it is cool in moderation. You have to mix it up. I respect when people post things from their blog and other sources in the same space. I am much more inclined to click their links if that is the case.
- nickgs
I auto-tweet from my personal blog. Then again I don't blog every five minutes.
- Ian May
It does not annoy me if the tweets are on the edges of the blog and not necessarily in the main body.
- Lester Greenberg
Isn't that the whole point of social media site - to share interesting content?
- Dilip Dand
I don't mind if it's in reference to something else, or even something really interesting, but yes, that's what Google Reader is for!
- Californian
Don't mind, not as annoying as the same re-tweets by 10 people your following
- Stuart Evans
It's annoying if they send too many posts and if they don't give a good comment about the link.
- Anurag Nigam
The latter for me
- Brandon Mendelson
Depends on the context for me. If the subject of the post complements the views of the tweeter, that's fine by me, but too many irrelevant or offtopic and I'll unfollow without a second thought.
- Stuart Gray
It doesn't really bother me. In fact, there have been times when I missed a post on RSS but then caught it on twitter. Typically if I see a blog tweet I'll read it I have time, but if not I know I can catch it later on RSS.
- Alex Hellstrom
Wow, the diversity of opinions here surprises and intrigues me. Thanks, everyone, for the thoughtful input. I'm still undecided on what to do, but leaning towards tweeting more of my posts now (particularly given that I don't blog that often AND I do tend to tweet at least daily).
- Adam Lasnik
I don't mind it at all. I have some friends who have set their blogs to auto-tweet whenever they have a new entry but also use twitter for comments and @replies. It is just one of many different pieces of content and, since it is under 140 characters, easy to ignore in its redundancy with my GReader. I say go for it!
- Miss Elle
Agreed with Anurag too, the tweet should contain substantive context to help determine if the post will be interesting to me.
- Mike Chelen
FTP in der DOS-Shell ist dein Freund ;-)
- Horst Gutmann
Is there any chance that the Friendfeed Python-library is published on PyPI?
Michael R. Bernstein liked this
I'm about to make a 0.2.0 release of FriendFeed PyAPI. https://launchpad.net/ffpyapi/ If you'd like to see it on PyPI please contact me--I could use someone who knows how to do that to... do that. Also, if you know any packagers for distros, I'd love to hear from them.
- Chris Lasher
@Chris since you already have a setup.py all you need is an account on PyPI and then you can run `python setup.py register`. That creates an entry on PyPI with an upload dialog where you can upload the tar.gz that is generated when running `python setup.py sdist`.
- Horst Gutmann
Why Vim Plugins for IDEs Fail - phly, boy, phly - http://weierophinney.net/matthew...
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I need a VIM-mode for Word ;-) It took me a couple of seconds to realize, that navigating in World vim-style results in utter garbage the last time I used word ^_^
- Horst Gutmann
Why do you think there have been so many versions of the tech press? The next ones to go are TC, Mashable, Gigaom, RWW, PaidContent etc.
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do you mean you think they will go bust?
- David Lloyd
If they aren't careful, and don't adhere to established journalism ethical standards, I suspect that's just what he means.
- Gregg Morris
I've yet to see one do it. In the end the companies require complicity in order for the reporters to have access to rollouts, betas, etc. The ones that survive are the ones with access. What it takes are companies with the guts to not take shortcuts. If FB didn't give the reporters favorable treatment, they'd get killed in the press, but they also wouldn't be dependent on them. They don't want to take the chance, so they take the shortcut.
- Dave Winer
seems like most of them (tech press) evolve from initially objective, to chummy, to the dispensers of what is hot or not, and finally, to telling every tech company they come across what their strategy should be
- mike
But the wild card is that the users have better and better communication tools, so the route-arounds happen faster. TechCrunch is just four years old and was started with almost no investment capital. Compare that to the millions needed to start news.com. When TechCrunch is replaced it'll be with someone with a $0 investment as well. The only thing they won't have is access, which at the turning point will be seen as an advantage by users. (Not an insider, telling the truth, not being a lap dog.)
- Dave Winer
Now if one of these guys tells FB to fuck off, or tells Twitter to take them off the SUL so they can blast the others for being on it -- all bets are off. We might just get out of the spiral. We're at a pretty important point in the cycle, imho.
- Dave Winer
What about Leo Laporte's TWiT Network model? Will he eventually be the 'next to go'?
- Chris Heath
Did FB reserve Leo's name? Is Leo on the SUL? I don't think Leo is inside. He probably *wants* to be, but he isn't.
- Dave Winer
For all Leo's success he has never been *that* influential in the tech world. I was at an Nvidia show last year, and the diggnation podcast Kevin Rose etc were doing a live show and they had private parking for the whole team, wifi access etc, Leo was doing a live TWiT show and had no parking spot reserved, no internet access and no other perks at all. Leo is very much on the outside looking in.
- David Lloyd
But Mark, that's how reporters are *supposed* to be. That's how we want them to be. Proxies for us, not PR people for the people who make the products. Done right, it's not supposed to be a job for rich superstars, it's supposed to be a relatively thankless thing people do because they're passionate about what they do.
- Dave Winer
Part of that is because Leo does not talk to PR people. But Dave, Leo does have a facebook page already... http://facebook.com/LeoLaporte
- Chris Heath
Scoble does that sort of thing. He champions companies, gets inside and is more evangelist than reporter. Why isn't he in your list?
- Debi Jones
Debi, good question. I don't really know what he does. I'm going to wait until his site becomes public, which should be in just a few hours, before even beginning to form an opinion.
- Dave Winer
I can tell you the site is built around video interviews and they are in the same style as his interview shows for all the companies he has worked for. When it comes to videos, Scoble has essentially done the same job for all the companies he worked for: he just services a different master each time.
- David Lloyd
Of course, way before digg, Kevin Rose was first seen on the screen savers - which was created by leo laporte and patrick norton. I subscribed to comcast cable in 2000 specifically because they had the techtv channel.
- mike
TechCruch was built with sweat equity, I don't see it being duplicated or made irrellevant anytime soon.
- Christian Burns
Techcrunch will live on when Mike steps down
- David Lloyd
building43 is basically a wordpress blog with typical scoble interviews with some big names and some hidden gems. I am afraid it isn't going to change the world. Scoble's paid gig is to shill rackspace to startups and other tech companies.
- David Lloyd
If you want an idea of how it will all work @arrington did a QIK 20 minute video interview with scoble yesterday about the site and asked some excruciating questions which put Scoble on the spot.
- David Lloyd
Mark, do you have a link to that interview? Sounds worth checking out. They both irritate me at different times in different ways, so it should be fascinating. *grin*
- Ken Kennedy
Slight Correction mike, The ScreenSavers was originally hosted by Leo and Kate Botello http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Chris Heath
Chris, that is so right and she was hot, nerd gurl nirvana. thx for reminding me :)
- mike
20 minute interview with Arrington and Scoble: http://qik.com/video/1850783
- David Lloyd
I think you overestimate how much "insider info" we get, Dave. From Facebook, Twitter, etc? Almost never do we get warning. We're watching every news source and corporate blog like hawks. :)
- Ben Parr
For me I get my tech news from friendfeed so there is a shift under way. As for what I am I am trying to help this industry reach out to regular businesses and explain all of these new technologies.
- Robert Scoble
Ben, I don't know how cozy you are or aren't with the tech companies. But I know that you're pretty snug with Twitter. That much is visible. :-)
- Dave Winer
Journalists stay in business by cultivating relationships with sources - that's a pretty universal fact, not just with the tech press. It's always a dance to avoid getting too close and cushy for the sake of something less than pure motivations. In today's environment, though, the multiplicity of online channels in any market segment in conjunction with purely social media buffers us against this kind of corruption. As soon as someone spoons too lovingly for something they get outed.
- John Blossom
John, that's why blogging took off -- because the tech press was so rotten with the vendors, they'd never say anything negative about them. So when you wanted to find out if a product really worked, you'd do what we do now -- listen to other users. Amazon built an empire on that idea. Of all the Web 2.0 companies they may be the only ones who get that the press doesn't control what users know anymore, that the users are getting it for themselves.
- Dave Winer
I'm not so sure about any of these going boom anytime soon. There are still too many people reading them even though they seem to be to cozy with some of their sources (at least that's what it looks like to me from the outside without any real proof that this is even remotely true). And Leo's network isn't really comparable to any of these, in my opinion, simply because he seems to be looking at all this more from the outside and doesn't focus on one product or even group of products.
- Horst Gutmann
Mark: interesting, but it's pretty clear that you didn't watch any of the videos I put up on http://www.building43.com -- not one of them has shilling for Rackspace. As for if I'm doing the same thing I did at, say, Microsoft, Podtech, or Fast Company, well, I don't remember clicking like 19,000 times for Microsoft or Podtech. I am the only tech blogger who links more often to other tech bloggers than to myself.
- Robert Scoble
In Tech, like everything else, in the press makes you, the press can break you. Better to be succesful by engaging directly with customers.
- Robert Hafer
If you haven't noticed I don't do much "tech news" anymore. I didn't go to Apple's event. I didn't go to Google's event. Why? I knew I'd read about them in live time on Twitter and friendfeed. I choose to go to places other people can't get into. I have the first interview with Mark Zuckerberg inside Facebook's new offices. Did I learn much from that? No. The other interview with Caitlin from Facebook Pages actually teaches people more. But the Zuckerberg interview gets more hits.
- Robert Scoble
Arrington (good lord I hate when I have to give him props) did try to, for at least half an hour, last year champion that movement to ignore embargoes and force companies to abandon the model......Didn't last long and didn't follow through on it, but I think that has as much to do with no one else in the field giving him so much as a hurrah and that spitter/death threat thing.
- Matthew DeVries
As to the question, the tech press turns over when the technology they are covering changes and they don't recognize it. There are some who made their careers covering Microsoft. They were very popular in the 1990s. Now? Most of them you couldn't name. Another thing that causes them to turn over? Changes in audience behavior. We all used to get PCWeek or Infoworld on our desks every...
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- Robert Scoble
How sizeable is this shift? Almost everyone I invited to the party last night is on friendfeed. Everyone was on Facebook. If they didn't have their email address on Facebook, Google, or friendfeed, they didn't get invited. There weren't many entrepreneurs, press, bloggers, innovators, Silicon Valley insiders who I couldn't find an email for online and about 85% are already on friendfeed, a service Arrington says "no one" uses.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble please start another thread. Thanks...
- Dave Winer
I wouldn't put PaidContent, RWW and Gigaom in the same breath as Mashable. That seems patently unfair.
- Brandon Mendelson
When Scoble shows up that's the end of discourse. It's as if we have to fit everything inbetween his plane trips or when he's busy at a party or something that keeps him away from the computer. I'm not joking, he sucks all the oxygen out of a discussion.
- Dave Winer
Anyway, I just wrote a blog post about this thread. I'd encourage others to do the same. I find these long FF threads repetitive and Scoble-obsessed. This is an important idea. http://www.scripting.com/stories...
- Dave Winer
it sounds like there are a couple of things being discussed here and i'm not 100% sure they are connected. 1) media bias, and 2) changing of the guard in tech media. Chomsky's "propaganda model" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) attempts to explain media bias in mainstream media. it's possible this model also applies (to some degree) to the tech press. bias itself doesn't mean people will reject you: look at Fox News.
- Karim
to the extent the tech press has a changing of the guard, or is constantly being reinvented, it seems just as likely to me it's because *technology* changes. BYTE magazine probably died because they were still doing articles on hardware hacking and algorithms when people had moved on to higher abstractions and were buying PCs & software off the shelf. it's not that BYTE had some kind of bias, it's just that it stuck to what it knew, failed to evolve, and became irrelevant.
- Karim
*if* TC dies it may be because they continue a focus on startups in an age when startups are less relevant -- not necessarily because they are in bed with anybody...
- Karim
I don't think they've been focusing *enough* on startups. Too much industry intrigue and venture capital insider stuff. More like a newsletter than an end-user thing. When they were great was when they captured the enthusiasm of the creative people. Now they're jaded and too into themselves. That misses the point, journalism works when it's a mirror, the simpler the better.
- Dave Winer
As an interesting aside, on the most recent Cranky Geeks podcast they were talking about the trend of journalists (especially tech journalists) becoming individual brands and celebrities in a sense and how that is a bad thing. To your point Dave, it wasn't until TechCrunch that I began to start to look first for the author on any post whereas before, I was merely aware of the overarching brand (website) I was visiting.
- Mike Bracco
To me, the author is a very important part of any piece of writing. Sometimes the byline tells me to pay more attention and sometime it tells me to take what I read with a grain of salt or pass altogether. I'm of the belief that past performance is a good way to measure people in professions like journalism. For instance, I'll be strongly biased against anything Judith Miller writes in the future because of her part in the Plame leak.
- Chris Heath
The importance of the author doesn't mean celebrity to me either, just to be clear. And Mike, I did just watch that ep of Cranky Geeks. Dan Goodin was exactly correct in saying that journos should be approaching each story from the outside if they wish to serve their readers and not the people and companies that they are writing about because that is how the reader approaches these products/services/etc.
- Chris Heath
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How such a bug could get into the installer is so beyond me ...
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Steve Rubel asks: "How many of you have ditched RSS for Twitter - and if so why?" (via http://friendfeed.com/e...)
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Steve is a smart guy but this is a DUMB question. Have you ditched FTP? SMTP? HTTP? HTML? Those questions make no sense -- of course you haven't ditched them. Twitter uses SMTP and HTTP and HTML and guess what it uses RSS too.
- Dave Winer
Dave, you are right. Perhaps the question should have been "have you ditched an RSS reader in favor of a Twitter client?"
- Steve Rubel
Twitter! It's smarter and faster.
- Igor Poltavskiy
yep - rarely look at the RSS reader now, and always clicking on links in Twitter
- Ed Beard
@DaveWiner it is not a dumb question. RSS is not like HTTP or FTP? (and I know who you are ;), they are core communication proctols (built albeit on other lower lever comms) - RSS is another layer above that, is it not? Everyone associates RSS with blogging and blog readers and publishing, so yes I have pretty much dumped RSS for the timebeing.
- Paul Kinlan
I'm actually going the other way - I've stopped following popular bloggers because I would rather folow their blog. Most are just replicating their conversations anyway on twitter.
- David
RSS is newer so it's higher up in the stack. That's a difference, but an unimportant one imho.
- Dave Winer
i ditched twitter for friendfeed - does that count?
- Chris Heath
i see the issue as how you consume rss, for me same as chris just said, mostly through friendfeed - still use greader from time to time though
- mike "glemak" dunn
If I use twitter's rss in my email client, do I have the potential to cross streams? :)
- Sean Powell
Agree with Dave. Twitter bubbles stuff to the top, but I still go through gReader every day. (Well, almost every day.)
- John Federico
this is not a dumb question. i interpreted it as "rss reader" and i raise my hand in the affirmative. there's limited time in a day. i have to use that resource carefully. twitter (and a little facebook) has displaced 90 percent of my Google Reader time. I have all the subscriptions still there, but maybe look at them every 3rd week. Twitter is my newsreader. It's my overall web reader.
- @baratunde
then you answered a different question didn't you
- Dave Winer
Just pipe Twitter in your RSS reader through an RSS feed?!
- Kris
@DaveWiner i suppose if we always want to insist on the most precise possible language, then yes, i answered a different question. it was an imprecise question. it was not a DUMB question. since we're focusing on language
- @baratunde
steve, everyone should ditch techcrunch and switch to twitter. techcx is the corpse not a format that never did anything to hurt anyone. put pennies in tx's eyes and fuhgeddaboutit. btw, pr is dead too. just use twitter.
- Dave Winer
I'm sorry but the 'RSS is Plumbing' argument is only going to retard RSS growth. Yes, it *is* that - but it's much more. You'll get to lay a lot more pipe if you get better at showing how pretty the houses are going to look. So end use is important. All that said, Twitter? God no. And RSS is the fuel *for* the real time web. It's the snow pack on the mountain. If it dwindles, you'll see a drought in the (real-time) river. http://www.blindfiveyearold.com/rss-mar...
- AJ Kohn
hey baratunde lets be imprecise about something you care about dying or being ditched.
- Dave Winer
Since we're all trying to be precise about language here, why are we just using "RSS" to generically refer to both RSS and Atom?
- Ken Sheppardson
ok dave. i do care about the difference between dying and being ditched. you got me!
- @baratunde
and dave, i do see your point. there's a distinction. i was just reacting to the all caps DUMB, but we place different value in it. For me it was a question of end user interface. more "raw" RSS feed readers like GReader vs a friend-mediated twitter reader like tweetdeck or twitter.com. It's something i've thought about and take for granted that lots of twitter feeds are RSS powered. carry on team!
- @baratunde
and please don't search for instances of me judging other questions as dumb. i've done it before and will do it again. I JUDGE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME AND LOVE DOING SO! laterz for real this time
- @baratunde
Look I'm not going to give you an analogy, you have a good imagination. I understand what you're saying, and I object. If you have something to say about RSS readers then say it. But RSS has always been the victim of this kind of crap, coming from people who have very bad intentions. This is no exception. By accepting the premise you're helping undermine something GOOD. Why don't you defend it, instead. What has RSS ever done to you Baratunde?
- Dave Winer
This isn't about people baratunde, it's about keeping open formats open.
- Dave Winer
RSS hasn't done anything to me negatively. As an infrastructure it makes lots of services i love and benefit from possible (my blog, various podcasts, video delivery to boxee, etc). RSS READERS are of lower value to me than info I glean from my twitter friends when it comes to surfacing news-like info that I like. that's the most precise way I can put it right now. That's the question...
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- @baratunde
If we are talking about RSS/Twitter as a source for news, I use prefer RSS/Atom since I get more information out of the box without having to rely on more than one application.
- Horst Gutmann
Dave, I don't subscribe to the notion that RSS is dead. Quite the contrary. However, I have seen lots of people post that they stopped using a Reader because of Twitter/Friendfeed.
- Steve Rubel
@Steve Rubel People have reduced or stopped using RSS readers because there are only so many hours of online time per day. Find that Friendfeed is more interesting than Google Reader at the moment. I'll be back there again soon. Friendfeed and Twitter to some extent are shiny toys for many people.
- David Damore
I ditched RSS for Atom. Does it count?
- Berk D. Demir
without trying to hurt Dave's feelings I'd like to agree with the thrust of @baratunde's perspective. I tend to follow people now more than info streams. I let people filter info for me.
- Christian Crumlish
and I stopped using an RSS reader about four years ago and started again recently (Google Reader) but now most of what I follow there are search queries and things like that (including mentions of my username and topics I'm writing about on, yes, Twitter), whereas in 2002-2005 (-ish) I was mostly following blog feeds in my feedreader.
- Christian Crumlish
and just to make sure I am not offending Dave, put me on record as saying "RSS will never die."
- Christian Crumlish
for many who consume RSS feeds, the technical nature of RSS itself is unimportant. For many the term RSS = traditional RSS reader as they've known and adopted it. This is how the question was meant when asked by Steve I believe. Of course both FF and Twitter use RSS. While FF is an RSS reader in part, it is more complicated than simply an RSS reader I believe. I stopped consuming RSS...
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- Thomas Hawk
I follow a few blogs on Twitter in lieu of subscribing via RSS simply because it's more convenient.
- © b e e n s w a n k
I'm still checking my RSS feed each morning but for business purposes I'm getting more specific, real time data from gist. It's currently in BETA but has been getting better and better each month. Seems like feeds are less and less important as the feeds themselves are pulled in by more collaborative and interactive tools.
- Cody Boardman
I've moved from checking my rss feeds first thing in the morning to being irresistably drawn to friendfeed.
- Michael Metz
It is not a dumb question - he knows that Twitter uses RSS - The question is whether we know or care how Twitter operates and what it uses to get the job done
- Simon Rogers
hey if that was the question why didn't he ask it?
- Dave Winer
While I use FF much more often than I open Google Reader, I cannot expect FF/Twitter to deliver everything that interests me, so RSS to me is the sand in that Stephen Covey jar of pebbles, the mortar between the stones that support my wall of information.
- jcunwired
Ditched? No. But I do find I use Google Reader less than I used to pre-Twitter. I wonder how much of it, though, is just me being the mouse getting his pellet by clicking the button, and Twitter gives a quicker "hit" than GR...
- Scott Paley
I would never ditch rss for Twitter. With my Google Reader I can star items to read later, if I still want to keep them I add a tag to them. And I like that I don't have to click on any links, the whole page turns up in my reader. Not like Twitter where I see a headline and a bit.ly or tiny.url link. I rarely click on links on Twitter.
- Patrik Johansson
Here's where I'd rather use my RSS reader than the twitterstream. Saturday morning, first cup of coffee, half awake, and I'm not ready to jump into the stream. My reader provides a familiar, comfortable context, not unlike the morning newspaper, with a beginning (my top favorite sources) and an end (bottom of the page, sources I only sometimes get to). The twitterstream is too rough for...
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- Michael Metz
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