I did that once, they protested at a KFC across from an eclectic local video store. there's no parking near the video place so you typically have to park near the KFC. The protesters bombarded me with their rhetoric, and so annoyed it made me that I got my off the wall movies, went to KFC and enjoyed original recipe in front of them walking down the street back to my car. I wasn't even hungry.
- T-Bone Tsali, FF Cherokee
I'm the oldest of five. The oldest two (me and my brother Phil) are left-handed, the other three kids are right-handed. Our parents are right-handed too. It's too early to tell for my two kids (1 1/2 and 3 1/2), but I think they're going to turn out right-handed. There you go, nine data points for your son's survey!
- Stephen Mack
My dad broke is right hand two times in a row when he was six. So things he learned then, like writing, he does with his left hand. He also still eats his soup using his left hand. For the rest he does everthing with his right hand. One cool trick he has up his sleeve is that he can start writing a sentence with his left hand, switch the pen mid-sentence, and complete the sentence with his right hand. As for me, I'm a plain boring righty.
- Jeroen Van Goey
Residual effects of childhood polio have forced me to be right handed but according to medical professionals, I ought to have been left-handed. (That may skew your results a bit!)
- Jill O'Neill
I am left handed, however I use my right hand to scroll up and down and to search the web with the mouse. Using the left hand is just weird for me.
- Patrick
from twhirl
My feeling is, don’t trash something until you’ve tried it. Perhaps if the Pope tried sex, he’d feel very differently about only having sex to conceive. - http://fredwilson.vc/post...
2. A room would have been a permanent repository of info about that event.
- Robert Scoble
3. I could have mixed searches from Twitter search along with searches from Google News and Google Blog searches.
- Robert Scoble
For instance, for the CES/Consumer Electronics Show I created a room: http://friendfeed.com/rooms... -- this room has feeds from quite a few blogs and from quite a few live searches.
- Robert Scoble
Truth is you could still do it. But what would be missing is the instant reaction through comments. With work, you could also reshare the most interesting threads and have them there (sans comments).
- Louis Gray
Richard: exactly. I could have pulled in Flickr photos and YouTube videos.
- Robert Scoble
Louis: yeah, but now it would be polluted. It would be much more interesting to do while the event is going down.
- Robert Scoble
What about live video streams, can those be included?
- Richard A.
Not a screw up at all. To be honest, I had no idea any of this could be done with a FriendFeed room, so I've learned something, and I'm sure others will here as well.
- Brandon Mendelson
Richard: sorta. You can certainly put a URL in to the live stream while it's live. Afterward you can pull in the RSS feed for the video recording.
- Robert Scoble
www.frienddeck.com can have multiple searches on one screen at a time.
- Paul Kinlan
Brandon: actually that's what I'm hoping that next time there's a news event like this that other people create the rooms so that we can quickly get caught up on a news event just by visiting a room.
- Robert Scoble
Really - whatever we lost from the oversight we just gained in your explaination :)
- Soulhuntre
I love it. You are learning and helping me along the way as well. Thanks for sharing. Next time you will be on it...and maybe I will be too!
- Troy Malone
Robert, Excellent, I need all the help I can get with it making it better.
- Paul Kinlan
Paul: you should create a "super like" that lets me automatically shove items I see in frienddeck into a specific room for others to view. I'd use it more often then and that would be crack for important news events.
- Robert Scoble
my fear is that all this valuable information (especially the one from Twitter yesterday), will not be here in a few weeks.
- Orli Yakuel
Richard: it doesn't disappear it just becomes very hard to get to.
- Robert Scoble
yeah, but if you feed search terms into google reader you have an archive for certain keywords. Then can download that locally for posterity.
- Richard A.
Twitter is not saving the data (or letting you see/fine it) after few month. I am not sure about friendfeed though. but if it's information that coming from twitter, you wont be able to find it here after a while.
- Orli Yakuel
Hi Robert, I think I might be able to "copy" an entry from a searcg to a room and "auto like" it as well.
- Paul Kinlan
Robert, you can't find data from 2007... when did you join Twitter?
- Orli Yakuel
Only keeps 40 pages worth of tweets, but the database increases, when we look at post number.
- Richard A.
Orli: Google can get to older Tweets, but Twitter search can't. I joined in 2006.
- Robert Scoble
Another necessary element is load distribution. Quickly sites with first hand images ground to a halt. Maybe we need a site we post to which distributes and caches info for subsequent mass sharing on ff/twitter
- mal
Random thought: Google News does a good job of bundling stories about the same event. Maybe FriendFeed should do the same thing, and when a significant term starts getting a lot of buzz, a special 'newsroom' gets auto-generated and starts aggregating items...
- Foomandoonian
Here's one caveat: If you reshare to a room, geoRSS info doesn't come along with the item. This is of concern to me since I made OurDoings, currently the ONLY way to email geocoded photos from a mobile and have them show up in real time on FriendFeed with a map.
- Bruce Lewis
I'll put my name on the list of people learning a lot about the use of Friendfeed rooms here. Does anyone know of links where these aspects are reviewed in detail?
- Peter Efland
Great idea @scobleizer, "get a room" is a great idea to capture breaking news. Like multiple search.twitter.com streams. Smart. Next time.
- Mike Reynolds
interesting. I've never thought about using rooms that way. Would non room members see the posts in the room though?
- Thomas Hawk
Posts to the room wouldn't show up in people's normal feeds unless they join the room.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
I would think that would be a limitation. Especially with breaking news. Not everyone would see the posts, especially right away. It would be invisible to most people on FF I'd think. You could of course post a link to the room in your own FF feed at least to let your friends know you'd make it.
- Thomas Hawk
the trouble w/ rooms is that they are not easily visible w/ most FF UIs. once created, they don't 'leak' anything to the public stream and lots of folks will miss the data. need a 'fix' for that.
- MikeAmundsen
I think Mike and Thomas are right. An option to make room posts appear in people's regular streams would be a win. Right now people just post about the room, or comment on others' posts on the topic. Works OK, but not the best.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Well, if you want a hacky work around: create your room, pull that room feed through something like Yahoo Pipes and then pull the pipes feed into your homefeed. People will see it then, and it should be marked in the URL that it's a FF room.
- FFing Enigma
you might be hard pressed to get people to join a room for a realtime event like that. most people would never see it unless you spend half the time promoting the room. Might work for a story as big as 9-11, but this story is pretty much over.
- Josh Haley
Good shout, Paul (pph my first post via the real-time page!). :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Paul, nice app. Any plans to make it show media?
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Yeah, Will try and show media soon. Need to work out a way todo it with breaking the columns whilst make it look good.
- Paul Kinlan
I will probably add in twitter search into it soon as well.
- Paul Kinlan
Thomas: yes, anyone can see into the rooms I've created. We could create a private room that would be members only, though.
- Robert Scoble
Anyone can see what's in the room when they go to its URL, but I don't think that's what he was asking.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
this idea of creating a FF room for news events is interesting. I've been thinking about a related topic, how media newsrooms can use semantic technolgies to identify news opportunties, and engage their audiences.
- John Cass
from twhirl
oooh! man, it's almost so obvious. that for sure would have been nice!
- SolidSmack
from twhirl
I think you should also consider a room for this discussion. there was a nice coverage of the plane crash on thomas hawk's page http://friendfeed.com/e..., that too could have turned into a nice room
- Xavier Vespa
I just added a feed for the Friendfeed Davos room to Google Reader. If you are already a GR user, this URL should open the feed directly in GR: http://www.google.com/reader...
- Sean McBride
Robert, you did an amazing covering the plane crash (and I think I'm not the only one who would say that)! Don't beat yourself up :)
- Michael Forian
Robert, thanks for being obsessive enough to think this through. It's exactly what I've been trying to puzzle out about FF and how to use it in breaking news situations. This discussion is extremely helpful.
- Karoli
It'd be very handy if rather than re-publishing items into a room, you could just create what amounts to a symbolic link to an existing item. You wouldn't lose any comments, no existing flow would be disrupted, it's just that a pointer/mirror would appear in the room when you added the link.
- Ken Sheppardson
As of Jan 15, 2009 4:48pm EST twitter.com/jkrums had 167 friends, 192 followers, 480 tweets (I snipped it to compare later, which is right now).
- Micah
As of Jan 16, 2009 8:48pm EST twitter.com/jkrums has 2,982 friends, 3,063 followers, 487 updates.
- Micah
Internet Safety 101: "Stacy Realized He Was No Boy... It Was Motherfucking Cthulhu" (brought to you by The Ad Council) - http://raincoaster.com/2009...
There's actually some interesting stuff in this Seth Godin post but ... it's like the record is skipping in Seth's brain - from one idea to the next.
- AJ Kohn
I stayed up until about 2:30am that night, chain smoking and talking to friends who saw my tweet and had responded - THANK YOU. I sent a formal request for time to transition The Commons program to whoever is to take it over: 'A week should do it,' I said. It was denied. (It would be unfair to give anyone affected by the lay-offs special treatment.) It's not just my treatment I worry about here. Such a sudden movement makes it especially hard to continue the program effectively, at least for a while. So silly. I sent a few tersely helpful emails before my email account was closed. Couldn't resist. Don't let The Commons die, you buggers! Can't you see how wonderful it is?!?!?"
- Thomas Hawk
From TIME Magazine: "In one of the craziest elections in American history, he overcame a lack of experience, a funny name, two candidates who are political institutions and the racial divide to become the 44th President of the United States."
- Mark Trapp
from Bookmarklet
Deservedly so. I don't think anyone else could have taken this title this year.
- Jeff Ventura
I just heard on MSNBC that they were also considering Sec. Treas. Paulson due to the amount of power he's received, but TIME has been playing it safe with the POTY choices for years.
- Mark Trapp
being an outside observer to the mania, what i see is a very slick politician who was chosen by the rich and powerful as a more palatable "leader of the free world" - he pulled in more money than the other guy, and it wasn't from the little people.
- ernie yacub
And speaking of expansion, there are several projects on the books. Williams said that the top feature requested on Twitter is grouping, and that it's in the works. This will enable users to segment their Twitter friends into sub-networks to send specific groups certain posts. It will also make Twitter a more useful tool in business.
- Dave Winer
from Bookmarklet
Grouping is a feature that's so useful I might even consider paying for it... but when you can already do so for free [currently] with tweetdeck or others, you'd have to wonder about pinning your revenue hopes to it. They'd have to offer a lot more as well
- David Miller
Dave: I think you'd find lots of the concepts of PeopleBrowsr interesting. You should watch the video here for a good demo: http://www.kyte.tv/ch...
- Robert Scoble
Hey Robert. The guy in the Kyte video is Jodee Rich. Were you in Australia or does he live overseas now?
- Barak B
Barak: he visited my house in Half Moon Bay.
- Robert Scoble
haha robert i love how you're recording yoru password lol
- stanleyyork
He knows what is best. Maybe an expansion could make twitter more useful?
- Jack
So if grouping becomes reality, does that make apps like Peoplebrowser less appealing (although i realize PB brings more than grouping to the table)?
- David Bisset (sn)
PeopleBrowsr is one of the best looking SocNet apps I've seen - highly feature packed, with novel utility...very nice
- Susan Beebe
i'm not sure he knows how himself just yet - but the iwantsandy purchase/hire hints that they are planning to try a few things
- Iphigenie
15,000? What do people want from you? You're just one guy.
- Shaine Mata
So if you, one of the more prolific Twitter users has around 15k messages and that adds up to about 3MB, then understand that on some really mediocre storage of 1TB, twitter can store that much for 300k prolific users. Mind you, this assumes that every prolific user spits out a message that is chock full at 160 chars. None of this takes into account the overhead of packing it into mySQL...
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- Ernie Oporto
@Ernie, you could also take into consideration the fact they might use compression within the DB (depending on the DB), making the storage of that 3MB even less :)
- Kenneth Younger
I am reporting that Maryam is stuffing the turkey. Yes, it is journalism.
- Robert Scoble
Hahaha, too funny. It's like a bird play by play.
- TheSleepyGeek
Oh, stuff that Robert. ;-) (It is not on the #mumbay scale, but it is journalism)
- Arne Hulstein
the true question is: What is journalism and how twitter can contribute to it
- Ouriel Ohayon
Twitter is useful when an event is ongoing. It becomes noisy in the aftermath.
- Paul
Journalism by definition is in the midst of such a profound shift in what it is that the question isn't really that interesting. I am just learning detail about Mubai from Twitter. I link to NYT or BBC or whatever, more often than not lately from Twitter. Everybody is different and that fact is more clear than ever now. Whatever works for you.
- Mary Anne Davis
According to MW there are many definitions for Journalism. The last entry correlates to Twitter, IMHO. *Writing designed to appeal to current popular taste or public interest* Twitter by default, is a publishing and distribution channel. It "can be" a form of new journalism combined with an integrated wire service. Happy Thanksgiving!
- Brian Solis
No, it's more an eyewitness or spreading rumors thing. Journalism is (or should be) are more profound thing, but it can't be that fast.
- Michael Zehrer
What is journalism? The dictionary doesn't know: "the activity or profession of writing for newspapers or magazines or of broadcasting news on radio or television." Wikipedia says "Journalism is the profession of writing or communicating, formally employed by publications and broadcasters, for the benefit of a particular community of people.". If it is communicating to a group of people (broadcasting) it is. Most of us are a broadcaster, are we all journalists?
- Wilbert
Maybe Twitter as a website is journalism. It is an open community based on peer-review.
- Wilbert
The collecting, writing, editing, and presenting of news or news articles in . . . & Written material of current interest or wide popular appeal. I think that the way many people use Twitter does hit that bar.
- Joel Ordesky
It sure is more than a news source. It's citizen journalism. And most times, Citizen Journalism is most accurate and fast than traditional media. Period.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
I think Amy Gahran has some good insights into how it can be great tool for it --> http://www.contentious.com/2008... ... I think it is an awesome resource but still not sure how to best use it. I am very much still exploring it but if everyone at SxSW for example hashtagged and tweeted I would think it surely is journalism.
- John D. Lemke
from twhirl
Journalism, as I see it, is analysis and deep insight. Twitter acts like a witness. No time for analysis just relaying the event, with some superficial observations perhaps but not the profound insight that time makes possible
- Mahesh CR
from twhirl
Twitter v Journalism is like data v information. I watched Twitter last night for the stream of data http://tinyurl.com/6b4wjj and I periodically checked the distillation of that data in Wikipedia http://tinyurl.com/5pbnde but I also read this morning's Washington Post article for the context and analysis http://tinyurl.com/6ya9cl . There's plenty of room for all three.
- Timothy B. Taylor
No, it's not. It's stream-of-conciousness stuff. It's the difference between data and information.
- Sean
Sean: that's bullshit. I can tell a pretty good story in 140 characters.
- Robert Scoble
Michael: you have absolutely no idea what journalism is if that's what you believe. Journalism is the act of me telling you what is happening. No more, no less. I can do a LOT of journalism in 140 characters.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, can you elaborate on how to tell a story in 140 characters? (In less than 140 characters, of course.)
- Tom Landini
Tom: it's partly sunny in Half Moon Bay. That's a story. That's journalism. All in 140 characters.
- Robert Scoble
Even better, downstairs Maryam is yelling at me to baste the turkey. :-)
- Robert Scoble
It's bright and sunny this morning in Berkeley, temperature in the low 60s. This post is 109 characters long.
- Dave Winer
My name is David Winer. This post is 57 characters long.
- Dave Winer
I think this discussion is pointless. Stop the presses! This post is 88 characters long.
- Dave Winer
I've never liked the term "story", gives me connotations of something made up. I know that's not true (sometimes ; ) ). I do think twitter is too limiting for indept analysis, but that's what links are for. Twitter can be used to give flash updates and track an event, but then so can anything that allows you to receive such nibbles of data. It's just another tool.
- alphaxion
in a way; all the major news orgs have twitter feeds however, their posts lead to links of their online stories which are of course a lil more in depth: sometimes
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Robert and Dave: Those statements do tell me what is happening. And I guess that can be a basic form of journalism. But they don't tell me why I might want to pay attention to that. Maybe I was thinking more in the dramatic than the journalistic sense. Good discussion here.
- Tom Landini
There goes Winer again, trying to make a point in a pointless discussion!
- Robert Scoble
Tom: if I wanted you to pay attention I would have said "Free sex under partly cloudy Half Moon Bay skies."
- Robert Scoble
I think the question is whether stuff on twitter can be "Good" journalism
- Wilma Stoneflint
it's istant source of information which could lead to a big news!
- Christian
Memo to Daily Print News Business: Surrender the breaking news beat and focus on analysis and perspective.
- Eric Schwartzman
For an excellent analysis of this issue see "Overload!Journalism’s battle for relevance in an age of too much information" in the current issue of the Columbia Journalism Review http://tinyurl.com/6dxbmj
- Timothy B. Taylor