that's not an answer. unless you want to buy MVB a mac ;)
- Terry O'Fee
Why would Mark friendfeed me specifically about opening a .raw file on Windows 7?
- Cristo
The question is for Dahna. She bought a netbook with which to travel two 1Tb hard drives with which to store her photos while she is in Argentina. She would like to be able to view her photos on the netbook without converting them from .raw to some compressed format. She also has a Macbook Pro but does not want to take that on her trip.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Perhaps, Chris, because you are generally tech-savvy, albeit a hopeless Macsturbator. ;-) 64 or 32-bit Win7? I guess one would either need the manufacturer-specific codec, or something like this: http://www.fastpictureviewer.com/codecs...
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher, that appears to be exactly the ticket. Thanks a bunch!
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Why not just review them in Lightroom?
- Thomas Hawk
There's a free trial. If she installs it a couple days in to the trip it could work just fine. Putting $300 worth of software on a $300 laptop seems kinda silly though...
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
If she literally just wants to view/crop/rotate etc. then irfanview is free http://www.irfanview.com/ Been using it for years, opens tons of file types etc.
- Amy
It's free as in beer, supports a ton of cameras, batch processing, profile, etc. I've been using 64-bit Linux (GTK+) version and it's a wonderful tool.
- Goran Zec
Thank you, all, for your suggestions. We are often light-hearted here, most notably me, and this is very important to Dahna. I appreciate the fact that I can contact professionals on a whim and will never forget the quality advice you dispense.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
"Yes, you now have uncovered me. Some reasons may be that with time, you finally realized where I kept hidden, as I had to work with some other fellas like you on that one. As you may or may not know, the contract on that one last only for a year. So better be packing up for your greatest adventures." -24 (hehehe <O,
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Ah, you get double presents! no fair! :) Happy Birthday!
- Nathan Chase
Thank you Mona, happy Holidays to you too!
- Niki Costantini
Niki :) Hope all's well with you and you're enjoying your Christmas :)
- Mona Nomura
Have the best AT it, and best of vaca-tions! No one can leave you behind! Me and my special Mona-X-Mas Children Carol: \o) o o o o~o~o oo o,o- o ,,o
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Looking back on another year, my second Xmas with the Double Fs, I have come to appreciate the power and complete kickassedness of a lot of you here. For me, putting aside one's personal spiritual persuasions, Xmas is about taking stock of the ones you know and the ones you hold dear. This year has been hard for a lot of us. Some of us have battle personal tragedy. Some of us have battled financial stresses. Some of us have battled illness or disease... some continue that battle and you are in our thoughts. The year kicked off in spectacular fashion with the birth of Audrey Moskovitz. I have enjoyed watching her grow and I have also enjoyed watching the growth of Akiva and Rochelle as they experience some of the things those of us with kids have experienced. I have forged strong friendships. I have built on existing ones. I have lost some as well. The fact that I have a wonderful friend in Mr Josh Haley is a true blessing and a gift that lasts longer than one day. He truly is the Yang...
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- Johnny Worthington
Can't wait to see your Christmas pix, Johnny! Hope y'all have a wonderful day!
- Laura wishes you peace.
Merry Christmas to you and your family, Johnny! :-D
- Live4Emma (L4S)
Great post Johnny! Here's wishing all the same back to you, and that Bruce the Koala is all shagged out and allows you some peace and quiet during the hols :)
- Patrick Jordan
Grievance: Anne Bouey, you are too kind to everyone. I want to know what you really think about Facebook.
- Louis Gray
Grievance: Cecily, you carry on the stereotype of the stern librarian who does not approve of shenanigans! Live it up every once in a while.
- Louis Gray
Grievance: Friendfeed didn't buy Facebook and declare it *dead* :D
- Adrian
Grievance: Haggis! You are the lamest poker in the world I have ever seen. Pathetic.
- Louis Gray
Grievance: Adrian, you couldn't man up and get Anika to take your last name like a true patriarch!
- Louis Gray
Oh man... I lost the armwrestling match that was supposed to decide that. :(
- Adrian
Grievance: Spidra, your avatar looks like Rosie the Riveter meets Archie from Archie Comics. Let's see the real you!
- Louis Gray
Grievance: Anika, you have not told us all the dirt about Mark Krynsky that you really know. It's time you told us. Everything.
- Louis Gray
Jaime Hernandez was very influenced by Archie Comics. I doubt I'll change my avatar, but (and this gets to *my* grievance) I have posted quite a few pics of me in my feed - that so few of my subscribers read, like or comment on. :-P
- Spidra Webster
Grievance: we haven't seen enough of LG bragging that he's whipped someone in Scrabble or Mario Kart. Especially that he's mercilessly beaten his mother.
- Spidra Webster
Grievance: Jandy, if you were truly the ConcertMaven of FF, how come I have #1) never been invited to a concert you attended, and #2) you have not yet organized a concert made up of FriendFeed performers?
- Louis Gray
Spidra, I try to remain humble. I would never bore you with such triviality. :)
- Louis Gray
Grievance: Louis, your most fun posts are only seen by insomniacs.
- Bruce Lewis
Grievance: Bruce, OurDoings has not yet been acquired by FriendFeed or Facebook and is far too obscure, requiring much more visibility.
- Louis Gray
Obscure? The user group http://friendfeed.com/ourdoin... has 13 subscribers. That's gotta be about half the active FriendFeed user base, if the pundits are to be believed.
- Bruce Lewis
Louis, #1) Consider yourself invited to every concert I attend; all you gotta do is come down to LA! #2) I'm waiting for Spidra to move back down here, then I will organize said concert with her in the lead. And you're invited. :)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Hmm. We can take over the Rose Bowl and have a huge festival. What will we call it? Ffunderstruck?
- Spidra Webster
Grievance: Chris Pirillo is not lifecasting in 3D, so I don't feel like I know him well enough.
- Louis Gray
Grievance: Mahendra's sharing preferences on Google Reader and Twitter are dramatically different than the posts he selects for Techmeme while on his shift.
- Louis Gray
Grievance: Atul Arora is remarkably mysterious about his full-time work life, and is seen as a full-time link sharer.
- Louis Gray
Grievance: Jim Norris complains often about struggles with attracting a date, yet he is cute enough and successful enough that I would be happy to pass his name along to potential partners. :)
- Louis Gray
Grievance: Louis Gray won't stop hitting on me.
- Jim Norris
In your dreams, Norris -- LG only fantasizes of RSS feeds ;)
- Mona Nomura
Grievance: Jim's and Mona's hilarious comments make mine look really lame by comparison.
- Bruce Lewis
Grievance: Not enough things have been declared Dead, Lame or Wrong...
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Grievance: I didn't follow the thread format, which probably leveled up LG's grievance. ;)
- Mona Nomura
Grievance: Bret Taylor hasn't publicized the fact Toby Gerhart lost the Heisman Trophy award after weeks of unrealistic hype.
- Louis Gray
from iPhone
Grievance: People post their mugs way too much up in here! #getaroom
- Mona Nomura
Grievance: Mona's everyday drinking behavior makes college students feel like underachievers both in the classroom and at their frat houses or sororities.
- Louis Gray
from iPhone
Grievance: WorldOfHiglet has not posted her novel to FriendFeed as a PDF to download.
- Louis Gray
from iPhone
Grievance: Stephen Mack toils away at TiVo for a decade and hasn't ONCE posted promo codes for lower-cost units. He also won't tell us if there is anything beyond the TiVo XL.
- Louis Gray
from iPhone
Grievance: Johnny Worthington isn't Australian enough. Secondary grievance... the Skype connection to FFunderCats is complete rubbish.
- Louis Gray
from iPhone
Grievance: Thomas Power runs a successful social network and his three children somehow all still managed to become FarmVille addicts.
- Louis Gray
from iPhone
Grievance: I have no housemates to annoy with my loud cackling at this thread.
- Spidra Webster
Grievance: Louis Gray made me snort my tea when I read his comment about my novel...
- WorldofHiglet
Grievance: Akiva and Rochelle Moskovitz go to bed way too early.
- Louis Gray
from iPhone
Grievance: Louis Gray has not been listening to my audiobook podcast
- WorldofHiglet
Grievance: Kol has a last name that nobody can pronounce, and a first name that should be short for something, but nobody has any clue.
- Louis Gray
from iPhone
LOL, Louis. Kol, short for Kolin, i.e. Colin. Tregaskes: say like Tree-Gas-Kes. Easy. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Grievance: I never get invited to all the great meatbag parties
- Mo Kargas
Grievance: I never go to bed. Wait...Another Grievance: I'm always late to these parties.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
Grievance: All my network is on Twitter instead of FriendFeed. Bastards!
- Justin Whitaker
Grievance: this video won't edit itself.
- WorldofHiglet
Grievance: LG's not on FF right now. Which leads me to believe he could only be sleeping. I'm disillusioned.
- Spidra Webster
Grievance: FriendFeed got hijacked by Facebook - bah! I think they should switch places. I mean, declare FB dead and switch all those accounts over to FF --- now, that would be AWESOME!
- Susan Beebe
Grievance: Not enough chocolate over here, that's cuz I ate most of it already :P *sad santa*
- Susan Beebe
I'm glad you aired out these grievances, Louis, They were starting to stink before, all boxed up like that.
- Stephen Mack
I don't get a Grievance? Woo hoo! I win!
- Kamilah Gill
Grievance: Spidra does not recognize I can be off FriendFeed and still not asleep at the same time. A rarity, but true.
- Louis Gray
Grievance: Susan Beebe dutifully listens in to every Gillmor Gang, but has yet to be invited on as a participant.
- Louis Gray
Grievance: Kamilah Gill is still doing her daily sketches and has yet to switch to oil-based paints.
- Louis Gray
Grievance: Stephen Mack has no resemblance to the line of trucks which bear his name.
- Louis Gray
Grievance: Paul Buchheit has not yet singlehandedly made Facebook as cool as FriendFeed or GMail.
- Louis Gray
:P I'm going to! and I have done tons of oil painting. That's how I got my art degree. Ah, that's better. Happy Festivus.
- Kamilah Gill
Grievance: Stuart Miniman won't admit that the vast majority of people who interact with him don't really get the full benefits of Fibre Channel Over Ethernet (FCoE).
- Louis Gray
Greviance.... Apple not letting Google Voice on the iPhone
- Roberto Bonini
Grievance: It is still only Christmas Eve, so I cannot partake in the (completely made up by me) tradition of spending as much of the day as possible in my Christmas pajamas.
- joey
Greviance: Jet lag is screwing up my sleeping patterns.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Grievance: I wish you could all be eating Turkey here with me. Instead I have to type on a keyboard to try to feel close to you.
- Jorge Escobar
Greviance: Transporter tech hasn't been invented. See above.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Roberto, I've got a prototype working. You stand beneath one circular shower curtain and jump into the space with another circular shower curtain. Now all I need is to work on the distance.
- Cristo
Ohayou-gozaimasu. Hajimemashite? Oai-deki-te ureshii-desu. My Japanese is still very poor. I am thankful for such good teachers as you. ^_^
- Ken & Kiyomi
good, maybe you can explain the elements pf sentence too, like what does yoroshiku mean? or how do you compare these two phrases , etc. :)
- Mahmood Padura
Piacere di conoscerti. Un saluto dalla Sardegna
- Isola Virtuale
I've started to use FriendFeed more and more the last couple of days. I don't understand all those articles I've read about that the activity is low, seems like a lot of people are still here. I think I'll start to spend more time here, glad to see you old FriendFeeders!:)
herşeyin orjinaline çevirseler keşke . . . orjinali gibi bi türkiye olsa, orjinaline dönse cumhuriyet kavramı, özüne dönse insanlık !!!?!!?! ah! diyip susuyorum artık yani . ..
- asli subasi
agahahaah ne içtin Aslıcım sen :D:D:D hafta içide halbuseeemmm :D
- DiscoThing
I thought it was cutely self-referential and definitely a welcome aside for a movie that otherwise takes itself a little too seriously.
- Akiva Moskovitz
The part that I hated was when they actually had lines about 'terror'. I mean, c'mon. Cameron might as well have interrupted the movie with a PSA.
- Akiva Moskovitz
"Unobtanium" is an apologetic wink to hard-sci-fi snobs.
- Christopher A Carr
I probably should have found it kind of cute or tongue in cheek. But really it was just one of the first (of many) things to totally take me out of the movie.
- Joe Pierce
Wasn't that in that silly "The Core" movie?
- Yolanda
Yolanda, that was the other film in the link i posted, so yes it was apprently, although i never watched the film properly, even though film4 keeps repeating it! i agree, it wasnt all that great a film!
- Halil
I just saw and liked the movie. For me unobtanium was take-it-or-leave, but the war/terror allusions, nay, PSAs (++Akiva) were eyeroll jazzercise inducing.
- Micah Wittman
I never said the movie wasn't pretty. It really is. But I'm not willing to give the movie a pass just based off of that. The 3D earns it nothing in my book, the movie is only going to be viewed in that kind of 3D for a few months, after that it'll have to hold up in 2D for the rest of it's existence. Its hard to tell, but I really didn't hate Avatar. I was disappointed by it, and I think it is getting too much of a pass by people. But it was ok.
- Joe Pierce
the story's not good, and I judge people who give it a pass. It's insane that you can have a 2 hour and 40 minute movie with so few details about anything related to the plot or characters. the only character with any depth at all is jake, and he doesn't have a lot.
- Richard Lawler
it was pretty much a videogame story, without the game.
- Richard Lawler
Wait a second, are you all saying that you've never enjoyed a single movie just on its visuals or its action? Every movie you've ever watched that is entertaining had a deep, complex plot? To me personally, I basically agree with echostreamer: it's not really about "giving the story a pass," it's about the story doing its job, which in this case was to get you from one groundbreaking visual tapestry to the next. I think it did it well enough that I didn't mind it (I chuckled at unobtainium, btw).
- Chieze Okoye
A movie doesn't have to be deep and complex. It does have to make sense and explain itself, Avatar doesn't. You are giving it a pass because the story didn't do its job. It never gave any of the surrounding characters any depth or any motivation for their actions. Even in an action movie, that's unacceptable.
- Richard Lawler
What? This is the far future when humans have developed great technology but have also ravaged Earth. One company is searching for <insert-resource-name> which leads them to <planet-where-resource-exists> and conflict with the native population of <insert-race-name>, which happens to live on top of a huge store of <insert-resource-name>. Motivation of company: Money/<resource>....
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- Chieze Okoye
I mean yes, the secondary characters are all more properly called caricatures, but to say that they didn't have any motivation is a bit much as they all had quite clear and simple motivations that were easily understood. Not unlike almost every other action movie ever made.
- Chieze Okoye
Chieze - That covers absolutely zero bases. You know what you didn't mention in your breakdown? A single individual character. you know why you didn't? Because none of them have any identifying characteristics, you can't tell them from each other. Every good action movie has more characters that are developed better. Avatar is not a good action movie.
- Richard Lawler
The company didn't go on a suicide revenge mission at the end, the barrel chested war caricature did. Indigenous race didn't fall in love with an alien, the one character did. Pilot B didn't go up against an entire army to help some alien race, the one character did. Too bad we never got to know any of them at all.
- Richard Lawler
But like, the Bourne Trilogy had zero memorable characters besides Bourne himself but I would call that an excellent series of action movies. This is just the first example off of the top of my head. I didn't mention any specific characters in my overview because the text would have gotten too long and I was just trying to give an explanatory gist.
- Chieze Okoye
Bourne Trilogy sucked, the books weren't any good and the movies were empty shells. I said good action movies. and every bourne flick I saw had at least two or three better developed characters more than avatar.
- Richard Lawler
I basically disagree with everything you said there (except the part about the books not being any good). I guess we won't see eye-to-eye on this one.
- Chieze Okoye
Good action movies are things like Die Hard, Aliens, Indiana Jones. In those flicks individual characters have their own identity and motivation, because they're well written. Avatar is a two hour 40 minute special fx ramble with no depth to anyone except Jake Sully.
- Richard Lawler
Wow, if you thought only Jake Sully had depth, you weren't watching the movie close enough.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I think everyone saying this movie sucks because it's storyline isn't "complex" are just jumping on a bandwagon and being contrary for contrarian sake. The story is simple, true. The characters that count are believable and the story does what it needs to do. It gets you from point a to b to c in the visual storyline. What I don't see people talking about is how successfully Cameron is...
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- veo
unobtainium is from Rocky and Bullwinkle ;)
- WarLord
Also, unobtainum was kind of dumb but it's been used in countless sci-fi stories over the past 100 years. get over it.
- veo
So...I'm expected to take a mediocre plot in an "epic" film because it "does what it needs to?" I'm the douchebag or expecting a story to try to do something more than just the bare minimum that is required? .. I could also point out that saying people whose opinions differ from yours are just stating them to be contrary and to jump on a bandwagon is a really douchebaggy statement.
- Joe Pierce
The movie was in development how many years and it still had little to no story? I was excited a few years back, but now all it can do it disappoint. I am waiting for someone to say something that would lead me to believe otherwise.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
Amber, Avatar is pretty (can't say I didn't try).
- jbrotherlove
Amber, it's REALLY pretty. I think that honestly you're best just spending the $10 now to see it in 3D in theaters because that experience is not really replicable anywhere else.
- Chieze Okoye
It's really pretty outside and that is free, and the story is better.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
It HAS a story, and it tells the story it's got well. It's just that the story's been told a thousand times before, and it does very little new with the formula. Once you take away the visuals and 3D, you're left with a pretty routine oppressed-people-with-an-unlikely-savior story. I still think it was worth watching in 3D because the technology is really amazing, but the claims of...
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- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Jandy is smart, and a less grumpy person than me. Listen to her.
- Joe Pierce
lol. It helps that I spent a good portion of the day on Monday discussing the film on Row Three - what I just said is pretty much the short version of a dozen or so very long comments over there.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I kept looking for a place to jump in over there, but most of what I had to say was already getting said and the same arguments were being brought up against it. I didn't think jumping in just to say "Nuh-uh!!!" would have been very effective.
- Joe Pierce
I can wait for the movie that uses the stepping stone. I'm all CGIed out and if that is all that it has going for it, I'll pass.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
Hee! Yeah, once the guys get going over there, it can be tough to jump in. The funny thing is, that thread is still going (nearly up to 200 comments now) but no one's been talking about Avatar for a long time.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Amber, if it helps. As much bitching as I've done over the movie. I would still recommend seeing it t least once. Just don't expect it to be as epic as all that.
- Joe Pierce
Titanic could have been a decent movie if about an hour of the useless crap had been taken out.
- Joe Pierce
Okay, bad analogy. Some people just aren't as into the technical side of movies or cinematic milestones. Nothing wrong with that.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I can respect all the money they spent making it, and all the people that got paid to make the thing look as real as possible. But I'm not going to spend money on it.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
Look, every movie fails if you drill down on it hard enough and long enough. The endeavor is not unlike constructing a modern building - in this case a sky-scraper. I love a 'perfect' character home too, but why not admire each craft work for what it is?! Ok. Got that out of my system.
- Micah Wittman
Every Yingtanium deserves a Yangtanium :)
- Micah Wittman
Micah, that's exactly what I'm saying (3 comments up). Also, Amber, I think that you are selling this quite short when you say "it's pretty outside and free and has a better story." I'm not disagreeing with you exactly, but this movie is honestly visually spectacular. It's not just that it's a "CGI-fest." Yes it's CGI heavy, but this is really the first movie that I've seen with this...
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- Chieze Okoye
I've got a good analogy, I think. Saying that Avatar is just CGI is like saying that these are just pencil drawings or that the first one is just a tiger: http://friendfeed.com/mikerob... (well, assuming they are real, heh) Technically true, but you'd be completely missing the point.
- Chieze Okoye
lol, this made me laugh. "I judge people who give this a pass." LOL! It's a movie! ahahahahahahahahaha... Like it, don't like it, disappointed that JC didn't change the world, impressed that he seemed to seamlessly weave the 3D throughout the movie, whatever. I liked it, I had fun, and I'm pretty sure we'll own it at some point, even if the husband hmphed at the unobtainium and the...
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- Bette Cooper
I can't believe I wasted the no energy it took to make a mental note that you have crap taste in movies and don't pay attention to things like story or dialogue, I'll go consider my life's path and where it went wrong now. Or I won't.
- Richard Lawler
It very clearly doesn't tell it's story well. Anyone who actually paid attention to what happened in the movie will notice there's no attention given to plot elements like why the evil villain would do any of the things he did at the end of the movie. What Na'vi and human interactions were like before jake got there. The aliens have no individual characters at all. After betraying his...
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- Richard Lawler
I call bullshit on this movie and the studios that let it through. No excuse to spend $X million dollars on a bad story that took X years to make and push X new technology to introduce us to something that someone else will take and make good. If you have that length of time to polish it, polish the damn story too! No excuse for bad writing if you've got 4 damn years to make the movie! I won't see it, I don't care what it looks like. If I want to see something amazing, I'll drive to the mountains.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Oh un-OBTAIN-ium! I get it! That's clever.
- s t e v e
I call this movie artwork. Its a shame that we don't have silent films anymore so people would STFU about the plot and look at the movie for what it is; a stunning 2.5 hour moving work of art. Remove the words (leave the score) and people might stop freaking out about characters and start paying attention to the pure artistry in the visuals, which is really what the movie is about.
- EricaJoy
That was pretty bad, it distracted me from enjoying the shiny every time they mentioned it. Thankfully that was not often.
- Lo
I second EricaJoy's comment. It's a shame that people need to find a negative in a (visiually) nicely made movie.
- liladreams
I'm really enjoying how riled up Richard is over this. And I fully agree with him: of all things to take a stand on in life, Avatar's script is definitely where one of refined taste should draw the line. I mean really. How could anyone possibly have an alternative and opposing viewpoint? It's preposterous!
- Akiva Moskovitz
As I mentioned previously, JRR Tolkein took 12 years to write LOTR. That was worth it. James Cameron took 15 years to write Avatar. You can do the math.
- Melanie Reed
Question, Did Richard take a principled stand on Star Wars Episodes 1 to 3??
- Roberto Bonini
Do I need to? I think there's a 70 minute review on youtube that covers all the points necessary. Some would do well to apply its lessons to this movie. (tell me something about the characters that isn't how they look or what their job is)
- Richard Lawler
I havent seen the movie yet Richard. But if its as bad as Star Wars for plot.....
- Roberto Bonini
It's better than star wars in that it has a main character and he has some (not much, but some depth to him. the prequels, especially TPM, lack that entirely. If you're interested in the effects it's worth seeing once, but leave your brain at the door.
- Richard Lawler
Richard, that YouTube review is awesome but I can easily take the character challenge with Avatar. Even the minor characters in Avatar have more clear, personal definition than the characters in Star Wars (with the exception of Chacon who might as well have been a flight computer). Of course, that might be more derogatory toward Star Wars than it is complimentary toward Avatar; I mean, when you've set the bar so bloody low...
- Akiva Moskovitz
The question really is: Can Avatar be considered opera? A simplistic plot can be justified if it lends itself to the grand themes of mythos and opera. Star Wars does that. Can you justify that Avatar does the same?
- Melanie Reed
I'd have to see it more than once to even consider such a question.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva - beyond the main guy? For example, Grace - she went to stanford and.... what brought her to pandora? what happened, who decided to close the school and/or why? the company brought her to pandora, what was the reasoning at that time? is she (or any of the other scientists) leaving anything behind on earth when they side with the na'vi?
- Richard Lawler
Absolutely. I would put Avatar on par with movies like SW: A New Hope, 2001, etc. I would recommend watching the episode of Totally Rad Show where they review Avatar. They pretty much say everything I think about the movie. It's just an amazing film. http://revision3.com/trs...
- Jason Huebel
It's ironic that the only character that is memorable in the Bourne Trilogy is the main character, seeing as how it's about guy trying to figure out his identity.
- Andy Bakun
from Android
Richard, that was all explained. She's a botanical expert, the entire planet is full of dangerous flora; that's an easy one. They closed the school when it was made clear that no matter how much they tried to 'civilize' the Na'Vi, it didn't stop them from still attacking the miners so it was seen as a waste of money and time. And it's stated almost immediately before she appears on the...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
Another comparison (defining where to place this film in genre): Compare Avatar and Tron. What do they have in common, each for its day.
- Melanie Reed
I dunno, Avatar is in it's own league, IMO. It's a space opera, but you really can't directly compare it to any other film.
- Jason Huebel
when did it say when they closed the school? They said "we tried building them a school" they never said when it was closed or why. In fact, they never even actually showed the na'vi attacking the miners, only talked about it.and ok, she hates people, but what about the other scientists on pandora? they all flip sides real quick, no family for any of them?
- Richard Lawler
Also, Richard, I think what you're missing here is that this isn't an ensemble movie. It isn't M*A*S*H. It's a science fiction action adventure movie. Deep, Altman-like examination of character isn't required to move the plot forward. Any character development is a side effect of the action and not the other way around. And I repeat, it's a sci-fi action adventure movie. Did you get as...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
How is it operatic? Is it dealing with large themes: Good vs. Evil. (or are those relative and somewhat gray based on perspective?) Are those clearly defined? Are there three acts (yet)?
- Melanie Reed
Does the protagonist clearly know what to do or is he conflicted in the end?
- Melanie Reed
Akiva - I don't need to know where he went to college, I do need to know why the characters make the decisions they make. It's never explained why Grace left the na'vi at first and why they're apparently so reluctant to accept her back. None of the na'vi have any individual reactions at all. Evil Guy has no reason to be evil after the battle is clearly lost. He's not fighting for his life, he just goes on a suicidal rampage for no reason. It goes on and on.
- Richard Lawler
@Melanie, there is definitely an internal conflict for both main characters. There is also an obvious story of good vs. evil. (BTW, have you seen it yet?)
- Jason Huebel
How is neytiri a main character? We never see her except when she's interacting with jake.
- Richard Lawler
You're kidding right? Did you see the same movie I did?
- Jason Huebel
Yeah, and Alice in Wonderland is a stupid story because you never see any characters except when they're interacting with Alice. Oy vey already.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Now you're lying akiva. I didn't say anything like that. But you wouldn't call them main characters now would you. that was my point.
- Richard Lawler
Jason, let me know the part when neytiri talked to anyone without jake present. The movie has one main character.
- Richard Lawler
I'm done. I don't have any interest in getting into an argument today. I'm on vacation.
- Jason Huebel
Richard, you do realize that this movie is told entirely through the eyes of Jake Sully, don't you? That's why we rarely see anyone that isn't in the room with him. Hell, the movie tells us that with its opening and closing shots. One eye in the beginning symbolizes a limited view of the world; two eyes at the end reflecting a fuller (but probably not complete) view of the world. In fact, are there ANY scenes without him involved (even if off-camera)?
- Akiva Moskovitz
So does the movie have one main character or two.
- Richard Lawler
I thought you left jason, if you're still around, you can surely describe how neytiri meets the criteria for a main character in any way. also, we see a lot of things that Jake doesn't see. But of course, I apparently didn't watch the movie.
- Richard Lawler
It matters how you define a main character, Richard. For me, a main character is essential to the core of the plot and usually has a lot of screen time. By that definition, Sully, Neytiri, and Guaritch are all main characters. I don't think a character loses 'main' status simply because it doesn't have 'alone time' on-screen. And I've seen some movies where the two main characters never...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
@Melanie, so it's a children's book? I would imagine that would mean it's a bit watered down compared to the movie. I was hoping for an adult novel. Although I would imagine since this has always been a movie concept first, there might not be one.
- Jason Huebel
Also, I had asked if there were any scenes in which he wasn't involved, not things that he didn't see.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Sometimes when a story is told over and over again with no variation, it's because the story is important and most people aren't listening. My guess is that this same story will continue to be told until the underlying problems which draw storytellers to it are addressed. (just a random thought)
- Lo
That's weird, because I always thought the main character was the one who experienced things for the audience. Guaritch and Neytiri never have any experiences in the movie except in relation to their affect on jake. That's why he's the main character. The world revolves around him and his experiences
- Richard Lawler
Akiva - what you actually said was "told entirely through the eyes of Jake Sully" I inferred you meant saw since you said his eyes and that's what they're usually used for.
- Richard Lawler
I think the problem does need to be addressed, I have not yet mated for life with a ten foot blue alien version of zoe saldana. This is an underlying problem that needs to be rectified.
- Richard Lawler
@Jason an interesting comment by the Author through a marketing choice, wouldn't you agree?
- Melanie Reed
Richard, I meant that more metaphorically. Sully's the Frodo of Avatar; he's the device used to introduce us to the world. And, you're right, the audience is only given one main character to really bond with (although we can empathize with Neytiri and have antipathy toward Guaritch). I also agree that the script's weak but, ultimately, I feel the value of the movie is greater than the sum of its parts.
- Akiva Moskovitz
And about your last comment, Richard, Cameron was on The Tonight Show and joking how he had a team dedicated specifically to Neytiri's butt and that it took them nine months to perfect it.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Nine months well spent, clearly. It's impossible for me to empathize with neytiri because other than her inexplicable love for jake (he betrays her and is directly responsible for the destruction of her home and death of her father by his inaction of not telling them what's coming and action of giving info to quaritch, this is reason for a quittal on the planet i'm from) I know nothing...
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- Richard Lawler
Richard, I think you're on to something. :)
- Melanie Reed
I guess this is testament to both Saldana's acting ability and the technical artistry of the film because I got a lot more out of Neytiri than what I suppose was explicit in the script. And, well, love is inexplicable anyway but her attraction to him was two-fold: first, he was different than anyone she had ever met before which made him a 'rebellious bad boy' and that he was tirelessly...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
I don't see how his willingness to face death is notable, every na'vi we ever see has done exactly the same thing. To her, he, should be nothing special, and yet he gets three second chances at life when should be killed immediately before he ever does anything remarkable.
- Richard Lawler
and how much does it suck to be tsu tey, you not only lose your girl to a cripple, you only get to be chief for like 5 minutes before dying in a battle planned by the same guy who took your girl and you'd have been better off killing on sight.
- Richard Lawler
That's true but she knows he's not Na'Vi. He's human and STILL willing to die for the Na'Vi. Furthermore, she follows him into battle because of his legendary feat but I don't think she actually truly reconnects with him until she sees him as who he really is for the first time, as a tiny, delicate, little human.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Hah, yeah. That guy gets the shit end of the stick from scene one.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Anyway, I think a lot of your points are good, Richard, even if I don't agree with them. I clearly got a lot more satisfaction out of the script than you did. Of course, I went in with low expectations and, I suppose, ended up doing most of the heavy lifting in the end. But I'm all right with that. I really liked the movie and I'm looking forward to seeing it again. Would I watch it again without the IMAX 3D, though? Probably not. So I suppose that says a lot, too.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I get that, but it doesn't make sense to me, he doesn't really have a lot of options. If he hadn't gone w/ the navi plan from jump, they were gonna kill him anyway right then, his life's been hanging in the balance for a while and she wasn't particularly impressed the first time.
- Richard Lawler
Plus, through their unreasonably deep understanding of avatar technology, she knows he isn't really risking his life, he's a "dreamwalker."
- Richard Lawler
@Richard: Yes, and for me my inability to commune psychically (or whatever) with plants and have hot tree-of-souls sex is also a problem that needs urgent attention :D
- Lo
Richard, a key point in whether something is operatic. Does Sully really have to put his life at risk as say even Neo does in The Matrix?
- Melanie Reed
Once he turns his back and they dropship the avatar beds all up in na'vi territory late in the film, yes. But I'm troubled by that because really, what did he have to lose, his human body sucked (though fixable) and his family was dead, of course he falls in love with being a na'vi. The one thing I found satisfactory about the story was the explanation of how he came to be in the avatar program at all.
- Richard Lawler
Again Richard, I think you are on to something. There has to be a sacrifice more important than what is supplied here for a true hero to confront. The stakes must be incredibly high. Frodo has this. Neo has this to an extent(He begins a pattern of where we are beginning to lose this clear line in stories). Also, if memory serves, Dances With Wolves never overtly or even really...
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- Melanie Reed
It's hard to say. After he destroys the cameras, Jake still isn't fighting the army yet. It's only after they realize what happened and lock him up that he takes the fight to them, and at that point, any opportunity to get his legs back and live the human life he wants is probably long gone.
- Richard Lawler
به به - سلام و علیکم آبجی سمانه،خوبی؟ رسیدن بخیر
- Gajamoo
فرشاد: !!! ايشالا / نيمهي سمت چپ عكسو ميبيني كه تار شده !؟ اون بخاطر بخار آبي بود كه از اون جوب بلند شده بود
- موسوي SaMaNeH مير ™
عمو: سلام. خوبي شما !؟ من جايي نبودم عمو، فقط يه مدت خواستم از نت دور باشم كه اصلنم موفق نبودم متاسفانه :))
- موسوي SaMaNeH مير ™
آره آره فکر کنم باغ سرد بوده اون روزی که تو رفتی
- farshad heravy
داشت یادم میرفت راستی تو چاه سکه انداختی؟
- farshad heravy
آره، سرد بود و نم نم بارون هم مياومد ... ديدم سكه انداختن ولي من كاري نكردم، البته سكه هم نداشتن خو :دي
- موسوي SaMaNeH مير ™
مخلصیـــــــــــم سمانه خانوم. منظورم از رسیدن همین بود و میدونستم جایی نرفتید ضمن اینکه اعتراف می کنم هر وقت کاری دلم بخواد میتونم بکنم حتی اگر دیگه تو فرفر برنگردم
- Gajamoo
خب اين قضيه منم كلهم برميگشت به نت و فرفر و فيس بوك و ... به هر حال سعي ميكنم فراموش كنم همه چيو !! مرسي كه هميشه يادمي
- موسوي SaMaNeH مير ™
That's nice...but nobody asked what you prefer and it's pretty rude to say something like that on a thread when someone is obviously on vacation in Jamaica.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Glad you weren't on the plane crash in Jamaica. Looks fun!
- Robert Scoble
Hey, What do you know. I was in your neck of the woods last week. In the Domenican Republic. Always wanted to get to Jamaica. While you're there, check out the Olympic Bobsled team :)
- Roberto Bonini
Sorry for biting your head off, Jeunelle. Your comment rubbed me the wrong way and I went off. My apologies.
- Alex Scoble
Wow. I own property in Negril, believe it or not. My uncle used to live there and left it to my brother and me. I've been there many times. What hotel are you staying at?
- Dave Winer
Dave, he said the name of the hotel in the comment directly above yours. :)
- Rochelle
Rochelle, oops. I know that place. The locals make fun of the white people running around naked. They disapprove. :-)
- Dave Winer
A friend of mine flat-out refuses to take his son to see this movie because he (and his son) don't agree with what he sees as pro-leftist agenda. I keep telling him to just turn his brain off and go but I doubt he ever will. He's a stubborn ol' bastard.
- Akiva Moskovitz
The Washington Post ran a story today about those who say Avatar was a racist flick. Tarzan idea--white guy goes to the jungle, finds the natives, becomes kind of the natives. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...
- Andrew Leyden
I don't see it as serving a leftist agenda any more than Aliens; nefarious individual in a murky corporation makes bad choices.
- RAPatton
from iPhone
RAP, I agree and I tried to explain that to him but when he's made up his mind on something, there's no budging him.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Andrew, it's like anything else: if you look hard enough at something, you'll find what you're looking for. Reminds me of some comedian who had a joke about racism, about how his grandfather saw racism in everything: 'Why are the green olives in a glass jar and the black olives in a can? Why do they black olives gotta be all shut up in a dark can while the green olives get the nice glass jar?' [paraphrased, of course]
- Akiva Moskovitz
Really, it was essentially the same as District 9 in that a diabolical employee of shady company tries to exploit alien resources. Standard Sci-Fi. The wasn't a heavy Gaia angle, and a single evil company or individual doesn't make it leftist. In a free society, you will have individuals with flaws. I'd have preferred a little more character development for the mercenary villain, and...
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- RAPatton
I think what might be at issue here is that characters were developed more subtlety. Jake Sully's the main character so that's a gimme for all. Colonel Quaritch, however, is nearly just as deep: when he's introduced, it's made clear that he wants revenge for what happened to him the first day he landed (and that he blames the whole planet for it). He grows to actually like Sully after...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
And you right, just because its script isn't perfect doesn't make it a good film. It is good, and I think the best sci-fi action film in the last decade. I think the early part of the film works better than some of the middle later parts, including that time with Colonel Quaritch. The drop the waking dream metaphor and then it returns at the end. I'd like to have seen the planet as a...
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- RAPatton
A friend of mine has seen it twice and he claims that you actually get a lot more out of the movie itself the second time around because you're not spending so much time being overwhelmed by the visuals. He said it's jam-packed full of things he missed the first time around. I'm taking Rochelle to see it in a couple of weeks after the crowds die down so I'll find out for myself then. Personally, I don't expect it to make that much of a difference but we'll see.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I really thought it was more a commentary on what America did to Native Americans in the 19th century than a leftist green treehugger film. Sure, they're attacking trees, but all the visuals and plot is centered around a displaced people. The primary concern for the hero and his sidekicks isn't the trees, it's the tribe; that they have just as much a right to their land, if not moreso, than the humans. The premise is definitely much more than Fern Gully, although not much more than Dances with Wolves.
- Mark Trapp
I can't claim to be intuitive about the hidden statements in fiction (I ignore what they say about The Hobbit), but I did get that it seemed to be about more than just a greedy company. As with Alien, the greedy company had military support, which implies federal avarice and murderousness. It makes me wonder if my government has a history of helping private corporations stomp over...uh, nm.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
According to legend, the architect wasn't paid as much as he was told he was to be paid, so he added some "decorative" hoops to the handrails that allowed him some degree of pleasure especially since they didn't realize what he'd done
- Amir
In all the time I've been an adult, I've never wrapped a single xmas present. I've always done something lame like use a gift bag, etc. Every year Lindsay tells me that she'd really like me to wrap presents - "It's the thought that counts." So this year I wrapped presents. :( They look like something a deranged 4 year old might have done.
I'm embarrassed to show them to anyone - I guess I'll bring them out just before we open gifts so she and Avynn can have a good laugh.
- Chrimmus Tad
I'm sure she will appreciate the personal touch.
- Spidra Webster
Either way - I KNOW she'll like what's within the wrapping. :)
- Chrimmus Tad
I used to wrap presents all the time. Now I don't give presents. Not giving or receiving presents makes me very zen happy.
- Cristo
I think I may just unwrap them and take them someplace to get properly wrapped.
- Chrimmus Tad
I'm all thumbs when it comes to wrapping gifts, so it takes forever unless I used "cheats" like gift bags. When my wife and I would wrap the kids' presents she could do 5 or 6 in the time I took to do just one (and, yes, I WAS really trying!) Then I worked at Borders books one Christmas as seasonal help, and they put me on--you guessed it--free gift wrapping duty! I had all of the...
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- Mark "DerBingle" J
Don't, Tad. Trust me. She'll be really amused and it'll be endearing. I've purposefully poorly wrapped presents for years because it brings on the 'awwwwwwww' factor in a big way.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Tad, just get one of your girlfriends to rewrap it. ;)
- Cristo
I like that the local 'gentlemen's clubs' have free gift wrapping while you wait.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
from fftogo
Gift wrapping is a marketable skill.
- imabonehead
This is one of those things men fail to learn because they know a woman will kindly (or impatiently) end up offering to do it for them. DO NOT FALL FOR THIS.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
m9m - As for myself, the ineptitude was no mere affectation... I literally need about 45 minutes to wrap a frickin' CD! My "fine motor skillz" ain't so fine, it would seem.
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Practice makes perfect....;) My husband has actually been going through this for years....struggling to wrap his gifts....but I love them all, and he actually has gotten better with time!
- Bonnie Foster
My mom could wrap presents professionally for Tiffanys or something. I mean, scary perfection that I have never been able to recreate, even going so far as to 'match up' the pattern on the paper when she folded it over (so you couldn't see the seam she would say). I am thinking of filming her doing it and making it as a how to video. Meanwhile, my father gets by with newspapers or leftover paper bags from grocery stores duct tapes / masking tape / leftover twine. I'm somewhere in the middle.
- Andrew Leyden
I too was once like you, until I got stuck in a Macy's for a long time (waiting on someone), and spent it watching the gift-wrapping people. It turns out that at least for rectangular stuff, gift-wrapping is really pretty straightforward. I kind of enjoy it now even though the Mrs. usually gets the credit for the stuff I wrap.
- Dave Roth
I detect a distinct lack of chilli, tabasco and harissa
- Mo Kargas
Mo, it contains pickled chillies that I pickled over 6 months ago. They were only 2 cm long... In chilli, size matters (plus, I had some with dinner... BOY HOWDY)
- Johnny Worthington
At 9 this morning begins the first week of my little experiment, in which I shall refer to myself as the maid, and clean the house as if it were a job I was being paid for. Probably not doing so in red pumps and a tiny little maid's outfit (although you never know, that could be super hawt), but I might actually don an apron for emphasis.
Yo! :) I was up until 3:30ish last night and got woken up at the butt crack of dawn. On a holiday. Not. Happy. *pout* AND finally watched Dexter. It is creepy and twisted. #donotlike
- Mona Nomura