"Proper etiquette on FriendFeed is making your feed valuable to subscribers. Part of this is not only sharing interesting links, but also making sure you’re not adding to the noise by subjecting them to the same post multiple times when you use aggregate posting services like Ping.FM" [While I agree, one should be aware of the content you pull in (i.e. duplicates), as FriendFeed users mature, they will become more familiar with hide. For now, I'm following this policy for status updates, but for shared links, I annotate and share the same article in Feedly and Google Reader respectively. I'm relying on users to hide one or the other] - Bwana McCall via Bookmarklet
"It seems cheesy to use FriendFeed to beg for FriendFeed followers. There are more than enough ways to get followers onboard without doing that" [It's that Twitter mindset. The competition. The "karma" if you will. I don't care about number of followers, but it's important to a lot of these A-listers to have high numbers. In my opinion, it's all about marketing your brand for these guys, but for me, I could care less. I do all this for fun.] - Bwana McCall
"Social media is, by nature, noisy. Let’s not add to the problem unnecessarily" [I agree that unnecessary noise is a problem, good choice of words. What's beautiful about FriendFeed is that we have the choice to choose our level of noise. I think that's what hooked me.] - Bwana McCall
One of the most annoying things about FF is getting the same links/posts multiple times from the same user - once each on Twitter, Pownce, Jaiku, Tumblr, etc. You can use the Hide feature to cut down the noise, but why should I have to? - Brandon Wood
@brandon we're dealing with the concept of multiple nodes and edges here - it's not just a social network we're dealing with, it's the entire social graph. being connected to a person or content in more than one node is acceptable. an hyperaggregator by it's nature will have these sorts of problems for a while. there's a larger conversation here. - Wolfsbayne
Same links/posts multiples times can be annoying and that is why I just updated/deleted some of the services I had listed in my Friendfeed account so that doesn't happen anymore. - Jeffrey Blais
I do the same too...try not to double post. I think that's a good general rule. I did run some trial and error test in the beginning and may have annoyed anybody getting my feeds, but hopefully no more. I think I saw a add-on/script "I can install" to skip over double post, but why do I have to do that? It's easier to just unsubscribe to the offender until they organize their information. The only one I can't figure out is bkite photos that I send to Flickr to archive....which is rare. Any ideas? - Jay Martin
interesting. you seem to discount FF as an aggregation of a bunch of "bloggers and would-be bloggers." With the explosive number of blogs and bloggers out there now, isn't that a little like saying, "that's just a group of people with email addresses"? - Christian Anderson
I didn't say Twitter or FF is small. (Twitter specifically has lots of active users.) I wanted to question whether influentials in tech were active users of either. That's why I asked "which vanguard does FriendFeed and Twitter have a lock on?" - Gabe Rivera
Do you consider robert scoble, louis gray, duncan riley mike arrington, allen stern, dave winer, wall street journal, business week influential? - Christian Anderson via fftogo
TOTALLY WRONG "the vast majority of early adopters, executives, journalists, and “influencer's” in technology are not actively monitoring FriendFeed or Twitter" - am an early adopter, beta tester and worked within tech incubations. Just because some executives, influencer's of tech dont participate on twitter /ff does not mean that they do not know the value props behind it. Trust me the - “influencer's” r certainly working scenarios to dove the twiiter/ff paradigms to suite their agendas. - Peter Dawson
Christian: you're not refuting my point at all. Peter: you're actually supporting my point. - Gabe Rivera
Gabe, the key is "actively monitoring".I can actively monitor a alpha/beta site w/out having to be hands-on. I get my day briefs and check the dev dashboard and I know pretty well, what ishappening in the sandbox. - Peter Dawson
Gabe, might it increase TechMeme's usefulness and make it more unique if it also looked at FriendFeed and Twitter activity when ranking content? It seems like you're in a position to wade through even more of the noise and distill out the interesting bits. - David Recordon
Gabe, I don't think it's a matter of authority (which seems to be your argument), but *velocity*. FF is now surfacing news faster, though it may not have the authority that comes from having been passed through the members of the Leaderboard. If "influencers" aren't using it yet, they will be. The fact that Arrington is now posting messages here (and no longer just alerting about posts to TC) is a leading indicator. - Sprague D
I'm not trying to refute anything. Whether Scoble is included on Techmeme or not isn't overly important to me. I would like to understand the points you make in the comment you linked from Scoble's blog to FF. - Christian Anderson
You say, "The vast majority of “influencers” are not actively monitoring FriendFeed or Twitter." I gave you a list of highly influential media here on FF (more on Twitter). You discount FF users as just "bloggers or would-be bloggers." I say everyone has a blog, and liken your characterization to FF just being made up of people who have email accounts. what is your point? - Christian Anderson
seems to me the right answer was something closer to "getting on Techmeme is based on complex algorithms... Scoble is a smart and important guy. His stuff just has landed him on the leaderboard currently." why disparage FF the Twitter as made up of a bunch of people you don't seem to think are too important? - Christian Anderson
I meet influencers all over the world. It is a rare day when I meet one in tech industry that isn't on Twitter. Today I met a couple, including a developer on Blogger who are here on FF. - Robert Scoble
But, it doesn't matter. I have proven you can get in nearly every newspaper in the world by telling hot news to 15 people. - Robert Scoble
Does that mean Techmeme vs. FriendFeed = old media vs. new media? - Kerem Ozkan
FriendFeed is more disruptive lately than Techmeme. But smaller things are more interesting to me than bigger things. - Robert Scoble
Christian: http://is.gd/MvS Robert: why not start asking people "Do you follow me on Twitter?" after "So who are you?" - Gabe Rivera
I do learn a lot from FF, and twitter, but I am now trying to figure out how to "use"it to move some things forward. I think some things just get lost on FF, if that makes sense. - Robert
BTW, I didn't want to overcomplicate my remarks earlier, but there's also the point that the Twitter userbase is much larger than the people who come into contact with Robert's tweets (Twitter users >> Scobleizer followers). So as Twitter grows, and I expect it to, the # of influencers on Twitter will grow. But that still doesn't mean Robert's ability to reach them will grow at the same rate. - Gabe Rivera
Gabe: funny you should say that. It is what I ask people off camera lately. - Robert Scoble
Gabe: I still don't get your point. Why does this matter? - Robert Scoble
@Robert Scoble do you find yourself leaning towards FF or twitter, or using them both in different ways at this point... - Robert
Hah, I changed my comment above, before I saw you replied, but for the record, I want you to ask for their Twitter ID. That would be interesting and even informative. Though it doesn't really support or refute my earlier point all that much. - Gabe Rivera
I have been searching for people who are using FF for a business use... not coming up with much, even though I know networking is business... You have any pointers or thoughts... How would you tell a startup to use FF other than networking? - Robert
Gabe: is the proof of example link intended to illustrate what i was doing or what you were doing? - Christian Anderson
"what is your point? " , Gabe is onto something here.. Growth is not directly related to Influencer's, rather akin to the law of diminishing returns - Peter Dawson
Marketing life sucks these days. There is no ONE way to reach "the influencers". And what defines early adopters or influencers is changing by the second. Everyone talks about the death of mass media but networked thinking still hasn't really been absorbed by our industry. I think Gabe is dead on. And i think my life would have been easier if i had just gone into law like my parents wanted. - leigh himel
There ARE numerous VC's watching and/or commenting on Friendfeed. They're the 'bank for today' - Charlie Anzman
I think so. You can definitely reach me via those services and probably quicker than via email. - Corvida
early adopters in which field? some fields are just ready for twitter now, others might be ready for friendfeed, still others need to have community discussions pried loose from LISTSERV. there is no one "early adopter". - Edward Vielmetti
maybe that's why it's the national fruit in China, and served with every meal? - clarke thomas
Gives new meaning to the phrase "nice mellons" - Ralph Whitbeck
"The little blue pill is being replaced by the big green melon" that made me spew tea across my desk! ROFLMAO - PonziPirillo
I wonder if my wife read about this. There is half a watermelon in the fridge that was not there yesterday. - JA Castillo
saw that on the news - problem is - it's the RIND you have to eat. You know, the gross green part? And no idea how much of it. Although apparently they're working on a genetically 'improved' watermelon with the chemical factor in the red part. :\ - Lucretia Pruitt
Good post-- Twhirl is still my favorite tool for Friendfeed and Twitter - Mark Nassal via twhirl
Thanks Brian! Todd, hum, sorry my English is really poor (4th lge) is it a compliment or a critic? :) - directeur via NoiseRiver
friendfeedMACHINE shows promise. The UI could use some work. - John Federico
I have to agree, twhirl is probably still the best choice for updating FF. However, I typically just use FF for aggregation. - Jason Huebel via twhirl
I use Twhirl, but Alert Thingy is not too bad, but would like more options, and profile pictures would be helpful...plus both would be great if also incorporated the "Best of" feature - Marc Vermut via twhirl
Heh, funny in fact! The Nose River ! I love it :) - directeur via NoiseRiver
"It adds no special features, but remains consistent with the FriendFeed user interface." It does have some features; like using the Google Mobile Proxy - Benjamin Golub
Twhirl is by far the best Twitter/FF client in my eyes. - Patrick via twhirl
I'm using feedalizer and I like it's simple design but the fact that it's in alpha shows. It's got some work to do but so far I like it. - Michael Narciso
i like the looks of noiseriver and friendfeed machine! - c010depunkk via twhirl
I particularly like Feedalizr. They release new versions more often. The innovation aspect is quite important as well, I love videos and tabs for instance. - Otavio Ferreira
I really like the appearance of feedalizr. Just wish it had support for rooms. - Howard Keziah
Painful. Didn't you try to hack EVDO into it via Express slot? Why not get Cradlepoint battery powered wifi router (http://www.rfwel.com/shop/prod...) and connect to USB/Express card EVDO/3G (http://www.engadget.com/2007/1...) and do it that way? Works great for connecting my mobile gadgets (Macbook, UMPC (http://www.oqo.com), iPhone, etc). Consider it a personal mobile 3G EVDO REV-A powered wifi hotspot. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Brian, for warranty purposes, no, i never tried that. - michael arrington
So what is problem with Air connection to 802.11 wifi? Is it your location? Can you connect at other hotspots? You're up in Anacortes right? I know 3G cloud isn't quite as strong up there as it is down here in Seattle. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
That's got to be disappointing. Has it never done WiFi, or did it once, and now it no longer does? - Louis Gray
Did you do the software update? None of my 3 airport networks here in the house are working now. Uggg. - Dean Terry
Airs won't do WEP. Has to be more secure WiFi like WPA. Found that out with mine during vacation last week. Google "MacBook air wep" and you'll find tons. Hope your problem is that simple. - Shane Robinson
yeah, im sitting here with three computers, all but the AIR have no problems with wifi. The Air sees the network but can't connect. same at other locations. - michael arrington
Does the Air have problems with wep when running Windows as well as Mac OS? - Ian Fogg
"The study, given the go-ahead by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, will involve treating human cancer patients with white blood cells from healthy young people whose immune systems produce cells with high levels of cancer-fighting activity.
The basis of the study is the scientists' discovery, published five years ago, of a cancer-resistant mouse and their subsequent finding that white blood cells from that mouse and its offspring cured advanced cancers in ordinary laboratory mice. They have since identified similar cancer-killing activity in the white blood cells of some healthy humans.
"In mice, we've been able to eradicate even highly aggressive forms of malignancy with extremely large tumors," Cui said. "Hopefully, we will see the same results in humans. Our laboratory studies indicate that this cancer-fighting ability is even stronger in healthy humans."
The team has tested human cancer-fighting cells from healthy donors against human cervical, prostate and breast cancer cells in the laborator" - Paul Buchheit via Bookmarklet
I <3 science. I'm getting a warm fuzzy feeling every time I hear about (yet another) breakthrough. - Tudor Bosman
Wow... I'm speechless. You always hope to hear about things like this and now, here it is... Wow. - Lisa L. Seifert
this is of a kind with the story Dan Kaplan posted...about the greyhounds... - edythe
how can someone read this and not "like" it? - Chris Hollander
Tudor: tend to agree reg. science, but I must admit after taking an epidemiology methodology course my initial reaction to medical breakthroughs is somewhat reluctant, but I hope this one is great. - Amund Tveit
I'd rather have a Twitter/FriendFeed because it would make it easier for FriendFeed to have acctual messages to specific people, while still enabling the commentary - Chacha via twhirl
Any time anyone predicts the death of something, I get suspicious. - Brent Newhall
No, but we've given FF and Summize much better seating on the boat. - shelisrael1
I just joined friendfeed, but I keep my twitter twhirl window open too. seems to work ok. I do see more focused conversations on friendfeed, but I see random bits of info that are useful on twitter. - David Molnar via twhirl
""Whereas SproutCore seeks to "embrace the platform" by giving a Cocoa-like development model for developers already using HTML, CSS, and JavaScript to make a web app, Cappuccino and Objective-J take an entirely different approach. "Since Cappuccino runs entirely on the client, at run time, we"re never actually generating HTML or CSS," says Boucher. "When you build an application in Cappuccino, you don"t need to ever deal with HTML or CSS. All of your interface is designed in Objective-J and Cappuccino" [Interesting indeed. But who comes up with these names? Cappuccino? :)] - Bwana McCall via Bookmarklet
It turns out that only Twitter became unusable. :) - Morton Fox
without google constantly advancing and spam filters getting more sophisticated it could very well have. - tamera
except Chris the price has nothing to do with supply. It has to do with a conspiracy between the LEFT and the oil companies. - Noah David Simon
LEFT wants alternative fuels and Exxon-mobile wants to up the price. convenient. who suffers? we do! - Noah David Simon
but back to the internet. no one could forecast how many people would migrate to the internet. in 2001 internet was for email. demand creates a market. market creates solutions. don't mess with that! - Noah David Simon
if there was a real demand for twitter... they would fix their problems within a week. the fact is there isn't the demand. - Noah David Simon
When I was in grad school in 1981, all projections by us and many worked for the big Texas banks by day were based on $100. oil...it only took 27 years to come to pass instead of a couple of years... - Robin Whitson
Obviously this company had a financial incentive to make such a gloomy prediction of web apocalypse - Zach Landes
The primary reasons for current oil prices are greed, fear -- and demand. The market has no ideology other than cash. - Chris Baskind
Yeah, I just had the same surprise. Looking forward to pictures of the new place! - Jordan Hofker
Congrats!, remember to recycle those boxes. - Mike Fruchter
Yay new office! Hopefully you aren't moving like the last two startups I worked for.. as fast as possible in the middle of the night, etc., etc. - J. Phil
congrats, don't get drunk tonight, or maybe u should - Dobromir Hadzhiev
Well, then... you're not my real friend. Real friends would ask other friends to help move. Not that I'm complaining about not being asked or anything... just sayin', that's all. - l0ckergn0me
@Alex - That was probably the problem. ;) (Usually: Massive = Expensive) - sebmos
Alex: massive, and unfortunately temporary. It was massive because we got an incredible deal b/c they wanted someone to fill the space for 10 months, so they gave us a very good rate on the space. Our new space is more permanent (2 year lease). @sebmos: not expensive at all, thankfully :) - Bret Taylor
The new FriendFeed offices are literally across the parking lot. So if you've ever been to one of their open houses, you can park in the same spot. :-) - Louis Gray
love the graphic at the top!!! keep it up! - Stefan Hayden
congrats on the move! hope I get an opportunity to visit the new office. - David Vasileff
across the parking lot? Is it the eye-fi office? - Patrick Li
I thought the logo was to suggest that by posting items in your feed, you're sending presents to your friends. It was cute! You should bring it back! - Alex Mendes da Costa
You must be all moved in, the Logo's gone. I miss it, kind of liked it. Not that you need to start the Google-like logo of the day, but you might change it around once in awhile. - Victor Ryden
Keep it separate from your other streams for easy reading. Works great with FFtoGo too. - Steve Rubel
same here :D My Own Imported Feeds. Just for me, myself and I - Myriam
That's a great idea. Your post inspired me to use FriendFeed today to capture all the links I need for recording a podcast today on FriendFeed - though I did not do that in a private room - Krishna De
I guess you could do this with an imaginary friend too, but it wouldn't be as much of a back channel as a private room. - J. Phil
It's also missing that modal 'death from above' version. :-) - Kevin Fox
Google Talk is the worst product Google has created so far. It's product managers should be fired. - sebmos
It skips one interesting step. The idea for chat moles (named after 'whack-a-mole') came from notifications. We had little yellow notifications that would show up in the bottom corner of Gmail when you got a new IM. We wanted to be able to reply from the notification without having to open a big chat window. So inline reply was added to the notification and then that led to the first mole (3rd screenshot on that page). But then the bright yellow color didn't make as much sense...hence the 4th screenshot. - Keith Coleman
I like Gmail chat a lot... Would be nice to have something like that on Friendfeed - Bindu Reddy
Sebmos' note: Grammar, tact, and usefulness FAIL. - Adam Lasnik
Anything that requires me to press ENTER is too inconvenient to use on my tablet. All UIs should give me the option to press a button. - Kenneth LeFebvre
"Twitter is probably one of the most rapid growing tools to communicate and stay connected with your family, friends, co-workers or anyone else you wish to follow. It has changed the way we use the internet and turned the form of blogging into micro-blogging, allowing users to write brief text updates and publish them to the masses. To those of you who make their first steps with tweeter or those who already been using it for a while and look for services to enhance their usage, here’s a list of 69 web-based services you should know" - Igor The Troll
Nice list, yet I don't consider digg to be even slightly addictive. - Czar D.J. Peterman
Oh I know plenty of Digg-a-holics - fortunately I haven't caught that affliction yet - David Harry
People are bound to agree and disagree with a couple of my choices on here. If you aren't immersed in one of these sites, it might seem hard to imagine them being addictive. But give them some time, and you'll start to appreciate the nuances that make them so enjoyable to their users. - Brian Wallace
We've had some nice comments from folks on Twitter like, "addicted to http://www.flickchart.com/ so satisfying and simple...hallmarks of a great site/tool/experience" - http://twitter.com/mvermut/sta... - Hopefully we'll gain some new addicts with our next invite rollouts. :) - Flickchart
What no FriendFeed? EPIC FAIL! seriously duh! - Susan Beebe
